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From YouTube: On Interviewing Product Designers
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Shane Bouchard, UX Manager, and Jeremy Watson, Senior Product Manager, discuss interviewing and finding great designers.
A
A
Just
turned
on
recording
thanks
a
lot
for
helping
on
we're
talking
a
little
bit
about
how
to
interview
designers,
because
I
was
curious
and
asking
Shane
about
hash.
That
kind
of
the
coaches
as
a
product
manager,
and
then
Shane
was
going
into
some
details
about
how
he
approaches
that
so
Shane.
Please.
So.
B
Please
point
out
what
you
did
specifically
in
addition
to
what
the
team
did
so
I
think
that's
important
I
also
find
designers
are
generally
the
most
comfortable
and
will
give
you
the
best
sense
of
who
they
are
and
what
it'll
be
like
to
work
with
them
when
they're
able
to
present
some
of
their
work,
so
I
would
ask
them
to
present
a
project
that
they
feel
represents
their
capabilities
and
creative,
caliber
and
design
caliber,
and
to
talk
about
it
beginning
to
end,
you
know
kind
of
the
star
format.
What
was
the
situation?
B
What
was
the
business
goal?
What
was
your
task
or
role?
How
did
you
help
achieve
that
business
goal
right,
so
I'm,
less
interested
in
pixels
and
colours
that
stuff
I'll
see
as
you
walk
through
the
project
and
I'll
be
able
to
assess
how
high
but
I'd
like
to
hear
a
designer
speak
strategically
from
a
business
perspective.
Much
like
a
product
personally.
B
I
think
it
depends
on
what
you're
looking
for
for
me
if
I'm
speaking
of
somebody
that's
clearly
strategic,
they
understand
that
their
work
is
more
than
pixels
and
icons,
they're
able
to
articulate
their
role
in
that
project
and
how
it
relates
to
business
objectives
as
they
talk
about
how
they
arrived
at
the
solution.
It's
clear
that
they
were
inclusive
in
their
design
process
that
they
understand
how
to
harness
diverse
stakeholder
input
and
align
everyone
to
a
shared
strategic
solution.
So,
when
they're
speaking
about
how
they
work
with
others,
does
it
sound
collaborative
iterative
lightweight.
B
B
B
That's
really
important
to
me,
because
you're
able
to
work
if
you're
able
to
iterate
in
a
lightweight
fashion.
That
means
you
can
iterate,
learn
faster
and
arrive
at
a
better
conclusion,
and
especially
if
you're
able
to
do
that
in
a
collaborative
way
cross
functionally
so
I'm,
always
looking
for
that,
I
think
it's
important
to
to
meet
out
designers.
You
know
the
design
diva
personality,
so
to
speak
by
asking
them
tough
questions
about
what?
If
what,
if
somebody
disagreed
with
part
of
your
design,
that
you
knew
was
right,
how
would
you
manage
that
feedback
and
I?
B
A
Echo
something
you
said
which
was
like
I
love
it
and
all
my
interviews
when
I
push
people
to
be
very
specific
about
the
specific
things
that
they
did,
because
I
think
with
specific
design
interviews
like
it's
very
easy
to
kind
of
just
stay
there
at
high
level
and
describe
your
design
process
and
very
philosophical
ways.
Let's
like
no,
no,
no
like
walk
me
through
exactly
how
many
it
like
workshops.
Did
you
do?
How
many
users
did
you
talk
to
what
artifacts
did
you
create
to
like
me
to
like
capture
that
in
that
information?
A
What
surprised
you
about
like
what
you
learned
and
like
those
the
types
of
things
where
I
really
learn
a
lot
more
about
their
capabilities
and
their
design
approach
for
me
personally,
like
I,
break
them
down
like
the
PM
interview
into
because
I,
don't
think,
there's
any
guidance
in
terms
of
like
how
question
you're
supposed
to
ask
or
how
to
approach
it.
I
generally
break
it
down
into
three
parts.
First,
one
is
exploring
your
design
process.
The
second
part
is
how
you
work
and
build
with
developers.
A
The
third
is
how
you
collaborate
specifically
with
products
and
engineering
and
so
for
the
first,
like
I,
will
generally
walk
through
their
portfolio
and
I'll
the
counter.
What
they've
done
and
I
generally
will
look
for
things
that
I'm
not
reading
about
well,
because
they
do
a
little
design
like
so
we'll
talk
about
their
design
process
and
show
different
artifacts
and
different
things
that
they've,
created
and
I'll
look
for
things
that
are
not
explored
like.
How
did
you
even
know?
A
This
is
the
right
problem
to
work
on
like
who's
setting
priorities,
but
the
best
designers
in
my
line
that
I've
worked
with
are
ones
that
are
generative,
who
are
coming
to
the
table
with
ideas
about
things
that
the
team
should
be
working
on
and
they're,
not
just
taking
tickets
from
product
managers
and
saying
calm
well,
PM
says
we
should
work
on
this
thing.
That's
so
cool
I'm,
just
gonna!
Take
that
and
run
with
it
and
so
I'm
interested
in
what
in
like
answering
that
question?
Are
they
generative?
A
Are
they
like
contributing
collaborating
to
that
process
like?
Are
they
iterative,
like
generally
in
design
portfolios
they're
presented
as
like?
We
explored
a
bunch
of
stuff.
You
asked
a
bunch
of
questions,
we
have
some
user
stuff
and
then
we
came
up
with
this
beautiful
new
design.
Well
like
that.
That
didn't
happen
overnight
so
like
how
did
it
get
built
like?
How
did
you?
How
did
he
iterate
towards
that
goal
like?
How
did
you
build
the
case,
for
this
is
the
thing
that
we
need
to
go,
and
this
is
the
right
design.
B
Yeah
I
think
it's
the
same
thing
that
I'm
looking
for
right.
I,
don't
want
you
to
describe
the
typical
design
lifecycle
discovery.
You
know,
I'm,
not
looking
for
you
to
describe
the
process
diagram
to
me,
I'd,
like
a
real-world
sense
of
how
you
work
and-
and
now,
like
you
said
it's
what
I
was
driving
at
when
I
brought
up
strategic
designers
and
I'm,
always
looking
for
that
people.
Designers
that
think
like
product
people
are.
You
is
your
as
a
designer.
Do
you
see
yourself
kind
of
being
this?
B
It's
cog
in
the
system
where
you
fit
in
between
when
product
hands
you
something
and
then
you
wireframe
it
and
hand
it
to
Devin,
and
that's
how
you
see
design
or
you
do
you
think
more?
Have
you
elevated
yourself
and
are
you
participating
in
everything
from
planning
to
validation?
You
know
asking
challenging
things
like
well,
what
is
it
we're
doing
and
why
are
we
doing
it
from
a
business
perspective?
I
need
to
understand
that
who's
gonna
be
using.
B
You
know
those
are
the
things
that
any
designer
what
their
soul
needs
to
be
doing
in
order
to
really
arrived
at
valuable
solutions
versus
just
you
know,
releasing
the
right
thing
versus
something,
and
not
everybody
is
quite
there.
Yet
it's
not
that
I
expect
everyone
to
have
the
perfect
answers
to
all
those
questions,
but
I
want
to
see
some
reason.
That's
growing
in
that
direction.
Right
trending
in
that
way,
interested
in
that
in
becoming
that
type
of
a
designer
yeah.
A
I
think
that's
a
great
point
because,
like
some
people,
candidates
have
asked
about
their
past
experiences
and
then
there
have
been
some
flags
where
they're
like.
Oh
you
know,
we
got
engineering
involved
late
or
like
we
actually
didn't
collaborate
in
this
way
and
then
I
still
like.
Oh
that's,
interesting
and
then
I
said
like
if
you
couldn't
design
your
own
experience
like
and
like
go
and
design
their
own
process.
What
would
it
look
like?
A
They're
like
oh
well,
you
know
give
you
much
more
collaborative
and
like
they
describe
it
and
I'm
like
okay,
that's
great,
so
I
have
to
sometimes
just
like,
like
separate
candidates
who
may
have
been
like
large
company,
we're
not
about
bringing
an
agile
way
from
those
who
are
like
I
really
wanted
like
operate
that
way.
I
just
haven't
been
able
to
because
of
like
something
and
that
company
or
like
the
way
they
did
business
or
like
some
legacy
off-mic
process
so
like
sometimes
I.
A
Try
to
ask
the
like,
you
know
tell
me
about
like
how
it
came
to
be.
You
know
in
your
experience,
but
then
also
tell
me
like
how,
if
read
of
like
you
know,
any
like
constraints
like
how
you
would
design
your
design
processor
might
operate
there
like
well
I.
Do
it
this
way,
I'm
like
how
we
try
to
do
things
and
get
once
that's
perfect.
So
anyway,.
B
Designers
often
are
not
put
in
anything
close
to
this
environment,
and
it
can
be
a
struggle
for
them.
Their
hands
can
be
tied
in
some
ways
and
the
best
ones
will
acknowledge
that,
but
not
be
upset
about
it.
Don't
you
say
that
is
one
of
the
many
constraints
that
I
was
operating
under
at
that
company
and
I
did
the
best
I
could
with
what
I
had
to
work
with,
and
that's
my
job
right.
B
It's
it's
it's
to
make
the
most
of
what
I
have
to
work
with,
and
you
try
to
do
my
part
to
contribute
positive
change
over
time
to
evolve.
The
organization
like
those
are
the
things
that
pragmatism,
somebody
that's
persistent,
Union.
They
want
to
drive
towards
better,
but
also
pragmatic
about
how
to
make
that
happen.
Yeah.