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Michael del Castillo of Forbes and Brian Behlendorf talk one on one about the original objectives for Hyperledger and what’s been achieved, changed, failed, and/or removed in the years since the project began.
Brian Behlendorf, Executive Director, Hyperledger
Michael del Castillo, Associate Editor, Forbes
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Hyperledger – Open Source Blockchain Technologies
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A
A
The
first
panel
actually
starts
tomorrow.
At
about
the
same
time,
I
I
and
it'll
just
kind
of
be
a
retrospective
of
the
first
five
years
by
a
couple
of
our
core
participants.
Who've
been
with
the
project
since
the
beginning.
So
please
join
us
for
that.
We
will
drop
the
link
to
the
the
full
series
and
post
on
the
website
in
chat,
as
well
as
it's
on
the
hyperledger
website.
A
But
what
what
can
we
really
accomplish
with
it
and
very
few
of
those
have
approached
the
level
of
rigor
and
and
finesse
and
nuance
that
michael
del
castillo
has
michael.
I
thank
you
for
joining
us
here
today
and
yeah.
Let's
talk
about
the
last
five
years
of
hyperledger
first
off,
could
you
tell
us
a
bit
more
about
kind
of
yourself
and
and
your
your
context
with
your
with
with
the
project.
B
I'm
I'm
excited
that
enterprise
blockchain
has
survived
five
years
and
and
grown
a
lot.
I
did
my
first
bitcoin
article
back
in
2011,
believe
it
or
not,
and
in
2015
I
was
still
begging
my
editors
to
let
me
write
about
cryptocurrency.
I
still
had
to
take
every
story
that
I
wanted
to
write
and
ask
for
permission,
but
it
was
starting
to
get
a
little
bit
more
acceptable
in
media
outlets
and
then
in
december
2015.
A
A
A
Back
but
I've
been
involved
for
25
years
in
one
way
or
another,
with
open
technologies
right
with
trying
to
make
the
the
web
grow
and
work
and
through
the
apache
project,
which
became
the
apache
software
foundation.
Setting
up
really
the
first
consortium
around
and
open
source
around.
I'm
sorry
for
the
first
non-profit,
around
open
source
software
right,
but
still
doing
that
from
a
commercial
point
of
view,
starting
a
couple
of
different
companies
and
then
deciding.
I
wanted
to
really
focus
on.
A
The
obama
campaign
started
serving
at
the
white
house
in
2009
and
10.,
and
then
that
led
up
to
being
cto
for
the
world
economic
forum
and-
and
you
know,
and
through
all
that,
trying
to
find
ways
for
technology
to
seep
into
these
conversations
about
how
the
world
worked
and
how
it
should
work
and
being
somewhat
of
an
idealist
being
driven
by
a
I
want
to
make
the
world
more
fair
and
more
more
just,
but
also
a
pragmatist.
Let's,
how
do
we
do
that
today?
A
What
are
the
I.t
challenges
today
that
can
lead
to
that
right?
How
do
we
make
room
for
people
to
be
able
to
make
make
money
in
that
and
after
that
kind
of
career,
I
got
a
little
bit
exhausted
and
I
kind
of
needed
to
take
a
break,
but
then
wanted
to
see
what
life
was
like
in
a
very
different
angle.
So
a
friend
was
starting
a
venture
capital
firm,
called
mithril
so
said.
Well,
I
could
park
myself
there
for
a
while
and
kind
of
learn
about
the
next.
Could.
A
So
I
was
briefly
part
of
the
the
teal
empire
and
you
know,
in
addition
to
looking
at
things
like
nuclear
fusion
and
robotic
surgery,
and
all
these
other
really
cool
domains,
certainly
paid
attention
to
what
was
emerging
out
of
the
bitcoin
and
blockchain
ecosystem
had
lots
and
lots
of
pitches
to
invest
early
on
and
the
companies
around
that
couldn't
really
invest
the
firms,
the
funds
money
and
directly
into
the
currencies.
But
I
I
I
certainly
paid
attention
to
what
was
going
on
and
I
was
super
skeptical.
I
was
super.
A
So
my
first
reaction-
and
this
was
me
sitting
there
as
a
managing
director
at
mithril
kind
of
evaluating
technologies
and
learning
a
lot
about
blockchain
and
bitcoin
was
okay.
This
is
where
that
the
ability
to
form
a
distributed
ledger
the
ability
for
all
parties
to
be
able
to
write
to
it
and
verify
the
integrity
of
those
transactions
I
actually
met
up
with.
A
Is
there
a
way
I
can
help
with
this?
He
said.
Well,
you
know
why
don't
you
show
up
at
a
couple
of
meetings?
I
there
were
some
face-to-face
gatherings
in
new
york
city,
one
hosted
by
jp
morgan,
another
hosted
by
dtcc,
where
the
technologists
were
coming
together
to
talk
about.
How
do
we
kind
of
blend
our
different?
You
know
the
different
things
that
we've
built
in
kind
of
an
r
d
setting
ibm
they.
A
A
So
what
was
pretty
clear
early
on
was
that
there
were
and
still
are,
but
but
even
clear
in
2015,
there
are
legitimately
a
lot
of
different
ways
to
build
a
distributed
ledger
system.
I
there
are
differences
of
opinion
on
everything,
from
consensus
mechanisms
to
the
right
way
to
run
smart
contracts
to
I
I
you
know
the
the
configuration
of
them
and
the
interfaces
they
exposed
the
outside
world
and
it
became
pretty
important
to
us
to
really
you
know,
you
know,
try
to
figure
out.
A
B
A
I
think
I
think
there
were
some
parties
that
joined
that
that
said,
yeah,
I
would
say
actually
even
most
of
the
ones
in
the
early
most
of
the
participants
early
on
said,
you
know.
Here's
this
code
base
ibm
had
made
a
lot
of
progress
on.
There
were
some
good
ideas
and
what
digital
asset
had
been
building
that
could
be
brought
in
and
a
few
others.
A
Let's,
let's
see
if
we
can
piece
these
together
into
something
whole
and
intel
had
also
been
working
on
their
own
kind
of
direction
and
brought
it
in,
and
it
wasn't
really
clear
that
there
was
a
nice
way
to
blend
those
two
efforts.
There
were
some
strong,
not
only
architectural
and
programming
language
differences.
You
know
the
the
fabric
team
had
been
really
focused
on
go
as
the
programming
language
in
in
2015.
It
seemed
like
the
right
way
to
build.
A
A
That's
where
you
started
to
see
the
birth
of
neo
and
eos
and
others,
and,
and
there
was
this
kind
of
cambrian
explosion
both
on
the
public
blockchain
side
and
on
others,
doing
permission
blockchains
as
well,
and
that
was
about
the
same
year.
2016.
You
saw
a
couple
of
variants
of
ethereum
that
were
private
launched
right
and
others,
and-
and
it
just
seemed
to
me
that
this
space,
those
early.
B
Days
wouldn't
was
there
actual
demand,
or
was
there
more
of
an
instinct
that
that
this
technology
should
be
applicable
in
other
ways
than
just
issuing
digital
assets?
Were
you
sort
of
like
building
and
hoping
that
people
would
come
or
were
there
people
knocking
at
the
door?
Saying?
Oh,
my
god,
please
build
this
in
the
early
days.
A
What
I
think,
but
it
was,
it
certainly
had
to
prove
itself
the
concept
of
enterprise
blockchain
had
to
prove
itself.
In
the
public
mind,
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
demand
yet
for
people
to
go.
I've
got
this
problem
and
I
know
blockchain
can
solve
it
for
me,
so
we
have
to
build
something.
We
had
to
be
that.
That
also
meant
that
as
an
open
source
project,
you
know
we
did.
A
We
weren't
stepping
into
a
mature
space
and
just
kind
of
you
know
kind
of
reducing
down
100
different
variants
into
one
common
core.
I
mean,
if
you
think,
about
where
linux
was
in
1991,
you
know
operating
systems.
Unix
operating
systems
had
existed
for
25
30
years.
At
that
point,
I
I,
the
kernel,
linus
kernel
was
intended
to
be
a
clone
of
with
slight
variations
off
of
other
unix
platforms
right,
so
we
weren't
in
that
spot
with
enterprise
blockchain
in
2015.
A
it
was
still
a
pretty
young
space,
and-
and
so
when
I
went
out
and
talked
to
members
about,
do
we
want
to
be
around
a
a
common
core
or
distributed
or
or
have
a
couple
of
different
options
here.
The
sentiment
was,
it
was
probably
worth
mapping
the
landscape.
You
know
to
try
to
make
sure
that
you
know
there's
there's
a
couple
of
different
approaches
that
are
tried
and
that
let
then
let
the
market
decide
which
one
of
those
seems
the
most
viable
seems
the
most
interesting.
A
Let
the
teams
kind
of
cooperate
and
then
kind
of
compete
at
the
same
time
and
that
the
goal
for
hyperledger
as
an
overall
organization
should
be
to
foster
the
best
kind
of
environment
for
for
building
these
kinds
of
technologies
and
encouraging
them
to
talk
to
each
other.
And
that's
about
the
time
we
dropped
the
project
name
and
just
went
with
hyperledger
as
a
community
to
help
make
it
clear
where
a
collection
of
projects
and
then
eventually
adopted
the
the
greenhouse
metaphor
to
help
people
further
understand.
A
I
well-
and
I
used
it
here
as
well-
I
mean
that's,
perhaps
the
more
common
term
for
things
like
the
apache
software
foundation,
which
is
300
400
projects.
Now
you
know
every
one
of
them
as
large
or
larger
than
the
web
server
project
which
started
it.
Obviously,
github
has
like
millions
of
projects
you
want
to
think
of
it.
B
So
hyperledger
went
out
with
a
bang
in
december
2015
with
founding
members,
including
accenture
and
z,
cisco,
cls
credits,
deutsche
bourse,
digital
asset
holdings,
dtcc
aeris
industries,
which
has
been
rebranded.
I
believe
fujitsu
ic3,
ibm,
intel,
jp
morgan,
london,
stock
exchange
group,
mitsubishi,
r3,
state
street,
swift,
vmware
and
wells
fargo.
So
these
are.
These
are
well-known
company
companies.
These
are
brands
that
got
a
lot
of
attention,
and
I
remember
shortly
after
you
joined
and
the
first
time
we
spoke
was
actually
for
an
article.
I
did
at
coindesk
back
in
2015.
16.
B
Sorry
may
I
think
it
was
a
month
before
you
officially
started,
and
we
talked
about
some
of
your
goals,
and
this
was
the
era
when
any
all
you
had
to
do
to
get
a
headline
was
join
a
consortium
and
whether
or
not
it
was
hyperledger
or
r3cev
as
it
was
called,
or
another
sort
of
high-profile
blockchain
consortium.
You
know
we
we
just
saw
like
a
wave
of
big
companies
paying
their
membership
dues
or
whatever
it
was.
They
had
to
do
to
get
involved
and
figure
out
what
was
going
on.
B
So
I
I'd
love
to
kind
of
get
to
that
point
in
the
development
of
hyperledger,
where
there
was
just
this
explosion
of
interest.
What
was
that
like
on
the
inside,
you
know,
were
you
seeing
a
lot
of
leaders
that
you
were
sort
of
having
to
manage
too
many
chefs
in
the
kitchen?
Was
there
one
or
two
leaders
and
other
people
looking
to
follow?
A
As
I
mentioned,
I
had
had
roles
on
some
of
these
other
foundations
and
such,
but
only
as
a
volunteer,
only
as
maybe
a
board
member
here,
and
there
never
full-time
paid
and
somewhat
incredulous
at
the
idea
that
I
could
actually
convince
companies
to
commit
real
dollars
to
go
and
help
run,
not
the
development
of
the
code,
but
the
air
traffic
control
around
the
stewardship
of
that.
That
was
the
kind
of
thing
that
I'd
almost
always
written
off.
As
one
of
the
prices
you
had
to
pay
to
run.
A
They
want
to
make
sure
that
if
this
is
a
technology
platform
they're
committing
to
that,
there
is
a
plethora
of
companies
who
support
them,
that
other
people
are
making
the
same
decision
that
this
is
a
an
industry
movement,
a
standard
if
you
will
but
a
standard
in
software
form,
and
not
just
one
vendor
who's
kind
of
calling
the
shots
who
might
run
out
of
money
and
might
leave
or
otherwise
leave
us
high
and
dry.
And
so,
as
this
interest
came
in
the
immediate
thing
that
that
struck
me
was
wait.
Is
this?
A
Is
this
fake?
Like?
Is
this
gonna
like
disappear
and
as
quickly
as
it
started?
Right?
Is
this
driven
as
the
as
kind
of
a
shadow
of
the
ico
kind
of
movement
right
where
companies
feel
like?
Well,
they
can't
buy
tokens,
but
they
can
double
down
in
this.
How
much
is
this
driven
by
just
a
positive
economy
and
not
much
more,
and
so
we
really
said
we
have
to
focus
on
the
value
that
we're
delivering
to
our
members
in
the
consortium.
A
That
is
partly
in
the
value
of
this,
these
digital
public
goods
that
are
being
created
right,
but
also
in
the
form
of
membership
value
as
well,
and
and
that's
when
we
realized
that,
combined
with
the
fact
that
enterprise
blockchain
was
kind
of
the
runt
of
the
letter,
I
mean,
if
you
remember,
at
consensus,
conferences
and
other
places.
You
know
we
kind
of
we'd
get
speaking
spots
here
and
there
people
certainly
love
to
turn
to
our
members
for
booths
and
sponsorships
and
that
sort
of
thing.
A
But
you
know
the
the
the
highlight
the
keynotes.
The
attention
was
almost
always
on
the
icos
and
the
public
ledger
stuff
and
the
currency
things.
So
we
we
kind
of
had
to
fight
for
respect
and
we
realized
we
need
to
spend
as
many
resources
on
establishing
that
the
the
concept
out
there
in
a
way
that
that
allows
people
to
see
the
value
of
it
and
do
that
in
a
vendor-neutral
way
or
or
really
a
promotive
of
all
of
our
members
together
and
that
became
kind
of
key
for
us.
A
And
so,
as
I
built
the
staff
I
kind
of
evenly
built
them
on
both
sides,
one
on
the
community
management
side
for
the
developer,
communities
coming
together
and
the
other
on
marketing
and
communication
and
making
sure
people
understood
what
we
were
building
and
I
think
that
really
paid
off
well
and
and
we've
been
able
to
keep
a
lot
of
those.
Those
members
who
are
just
users
of
blockchain
technology
aren't
necessarily
contributors
in
keep
them
as
members
of
hyperledger.
I
think
because
of
that
value
that
we're
creating.
B
Out
of
the
gate
there
and
I
think
to
some
degree
still
today,
enterprise
blockchain
organizations
like
hyperledger
are
viewed
by
some
as
sort
of
anti-crypto.
Like
you
know,
it's
it's
they're
they're
permissionless
you're
permissioned.
In
the
early
days,
there
was
even
like
talk
about
how
enterprises
were
co-opting.
This
technology.
A
B
Was
made
in
basements
by
hackers,
you
know
trying
to
make
the
world
a
better
place,
and
I
think
it's
it's
not
a
surprise
that
going
to
those
events,
you
know
at
least
in
the
early
days
you
were
kind
of
off
in
the
corner.
I
I
I
think
that
I
I
love
a
story
that
you
you
told
where
there
was
some
possible
synergy
there,
where
one
of
bitcoin
and
and
cryptocurrency's
biggest
haters
nouriel.
B
You
had
a
conversation
with,
and
I
don't
know
you
know
if
I
don't
read
too
much
into
this,
but
perhaps
it
may
be
a
bit
of
an
opportunity
to
to
gain
some
some
support
for
a
permissioned
blockchain
that
he
was
reluctant
to
give
to
public
blockchains.
Tell
me
a
little
bit
about
your
interaction
with
murray
allen,
how
that
was
right.
A
I
thought
it
would
I
mean
I
I
I
saw
him
at
a
reception
at
davos
as
these
conversations,
these
things
I
guess
start
but
where
he
had
been
delivering
all
week-
kind
of
his
anti-cryptocurrency
tirades
and
and
he's
not
wrong
on
some
of
them.
But
but
also
I
mean
he's
dr
doom
is-
is
kind
of
a
nickname
for
a
reason
right.
A
He
tends
to
be
very
much
the
critic
of
technologies
and
I
walked
up
and
said
you
know
there
is
an
angle
to
these
technologies
that
is
creating
value
for
a
large
number
of
companies
out
there
now
and
a
way
that
they're
using
the
tech
separate
from
proof
of
work,
which
has
been
part
of
his
criticism
and,
frankly,
mine
and
a
lot
of
people's
right
and
separate
from
the
speculative
nature
in
that
space,
and
he
just
didn't
want
to
hear
it.
You
know
and
didn't
you
know
was
like
looking
around
for
anybody
else.
B
Nevertheless,
nevertheless,
there
was
a
a
a
point
in
the
future
when
public
blockchains
would
start
to
have
a
bit
of
a
day
within
hyperledger.
So
tell
me
a
little
bit
about
what
that
looked
like
behind
the
scenes.
Sure,
first
of
all,
what
was
the
first
public
blockchain
to
sort
of
officially
touch
the
the
hyperledger
work
and
sort
of
what
was
the?
What
was
the
politicking
behind
the
scenes
that
was
going
on
there
yeah.
A
You
know
scammy,
site
or
whatever,
because
I
also
knew
that
there
were
smart
people,
I
respected,
who
were
spending
a
lot
of
their
time
and
energy
and
attention
on
bitcoin
and
ethereum,
and
they
wouldn't
do
that.
If
there
wasn't
something
real
there
I
mean.
So
I
the
very
first
business
trip
I
took
wearing
a
hyperledger
hat,
was
to
the
I
I
was
to
a
conference
in
shanghai.
A
That
was
the
second
ethereum
devcon,
as
well
as
an
enterprise
blockchain
event,
and
it
was
kind
of
there
for
the
whole
week
and
so
met
vitalik
there
I
met
joe
met
a
lot
of
the
other
personalities
in
the
ethereum
ecosystem
and
spent
a
fair
bit
of
time
reading
their
technology
documents
seeing
how
they
worked
as
a
community
and
having
a
lot
of
respect
for
that.
I
I
very
different
from
the
impression
I
got
from
the
bitcoin
crowd.
A
All
right
and-
and
I
said,
look
I'm
not
certain
that
they
are
the
ones
who
have
all
this
figured
out
and
there
are
very
clear
limitations
to
the
use
of
what
they
were
talking
about:
building
for
enterprises,
whether
it
was
from
transaction
volume
or
simply
data
residency
requirements
or
a
separation
of
concerns
that
you
always
want
in
in
security
settings.
So,
but
I
said
I
wanna,
I
want
to
understand
the
space.
A
I
want
to
keep
keep
a
communication
open
and
see
if
there's
any
potential
application
for
for
us,
and
it
was
actually
the
first
conversation.
I
was
with
working
with
a
group
led
by
bob
summerwell,
who
is
working
for
the
ethereum
foundation
at
one
point
around
potentially
bringing
the
c
plus
plus
port
of
the
ethereum
client
to
into
hyperledger
and
potentially
allow
it
to
talk
other
consensus
mechanisms.
So
it
could
be
used
on
permission
settings,
but
also
in
permissionless
as
well
and
got
very
close.
A
It
would
have
required
a
reassignment
of
the
license
because
it
was
licensed
under
the
lgpl
and
we've
been
pretty
solid
about
the
apache
license
here
and
very
solid.
I
mean
that's
as
a
single
license.
It
gives
us
a
chance
to
go
to
enterprises
and
say
you
can
embed
this
inside
your
products
without
any
concern
or
worries.
A
It
was,
let's
just
say
somebody
who
had
been
paid
by
the
ethereum
foundation
to
write
a
lot
of
that
code
who'd,
but
kept
the
ip
interest
to
themselves
and
and
then
decided
to
start
a
new
company
that
perhaps
viewed
this
old
code
as
competitive.
So
again,
it's
out
there
public
domain,
I'm
too
much
of
a
of
a
diplomat
to
to
throw
too
many
people
into
the
bus.
But
everyone
knows
him
and
his
initials
are
gw
moving
beyond
that.
A
Had
they
had
a
smart
contract
engine
focused
on
solidity,
smart
contracts
that
they
were
actually
using
with
tendermint
as
the
consensus
mechanism,
and
they
it
had
been
open
source,
but
they
felt
that
hey
there'd
be
some
value
here
to
having
a
wider
audience
for
it
and
potential
other
collaborators.
So
they
brought
it
in
as
a
as
a
project
and
that
got
a
bit
of
pickup.
It
was
still
very
much
focused
on
permission,
blockchain
settings,
but
I
I
it's
I.
It
was
all
right.
A
They
were
actually
part
of
the
original
announcement
original
cohort,
at
least
when
I
joined,
and
then
things
seemed
to
go
very,
very
separate.
You
know
in
terms
of
public
versus
versus
hyper
ledger,
and
then
they
came
back
around
last
year
joined
as
a
member
in
fact
joined
as
a
premier
member,
which
is
really
awesome
and
brought
into
the
community
a.
B
B
A
So
so
I
I
I
yes
just
to
finish
that
last
thought
so
baezu
hyperledger
bezou,
which
is
now
a
both
a
public
blockchain
and
a
permission,
blockchain
client
full
client,
is
now
a
a
a
tier
one
project
inside
hyperledger
and
that
that
kind
of
has
now
brought
us
back
really
closely.
With
regards
to
companies
like
ripple
and
r3,
who
have
also
r3,
was
part
of
that
launch.
A
Announcement
ripple
was
very
early
in
there
as
well,
and
ripple
did
bring
in
some
technology
to
do
kind
of
coordinated
payments
between
xrp,
bitcoin
and
and
and
other
ledgers
that
we
were
hoping
could
become
something
more
generalized
hyperledger
quilt,
but
didn't
quite
get
that
that
take
off,
which
is
fine
again
we're
a
greenhouse.
Some
of
these
projects
will
thrive.
Others
will
you
know,
perhaps
not,
but
but
it's
still
very
much
alive,
but
ripple
and
and
r3
and
others.
A
You
know
part
of
this,
this
early
days,
kind
of
recognition
of
all
these
companies
in
the
room,
even
if
they
all
have
very
different
ideas
about
how
technology
should
how
blockchain
technology
and
technology
should
work
caused
me
to
also
realize
we
needed
to
be
thinking
about
components
in
this
space
that
can
talk
to
multiple
ledgers
right.
They
could
be
critical
to
building
bridges
between
them.
So
quilt
was
the
first
attempt
at
that.
We
have
a
project
now
called
hyperledger
cactus.
A
That,
I
think,
is
an
even
better
interoperability
play
between
between
these
kinds
of
networks,
and
it
already
supports
fabric
bezu,
corta
and
quorum.
It's
still
version
0.3,
so
still
pretty
early.
I
don't
want
to
oversell
it,
but
it's
something
where
anyone
interested
in
interop
between
permission,
blockchain
networks,
we'd,
really
encourage
them
to
come
check
it
out.
One.
A
B
By
very
definition,
there
had
to
be
multiple
counterparties
and
the
efficiencies
were
only
achieved
if
those
counterparties
all
agreed
to
work
together.
Quite
literally-
and
I
think
that
maybe
naively
I
I
thought
I
was
among
those
people
that
was
imagining
a
sort
of
frankenstein
of
code
that
you
know
would
make
every
developer
happy
and
that
everybody
could
agree
to
use
and
that
would
be
infinite
efficiency
across
all
networks.
B
I
remember
coming
across
a
white
paper
years
ago,
written
by
ibm
talking
about
issuing
tokens
on
fabric,
and
I
don't
think
they
wanted
reporters
to
see
that,
because
I
got
them
on
the
phone
and
they
did
everything
they
possibly
could
to
keep
a
story
from
happening
about
issuing
tokens
on
hyper
ledger
fabric.
Nevertheless,
this
is
actually
something
that
we're
starting
to
see,
which
I
think
is
really
fascinating,
where
this
ability
that
was
sort
of
popularized
on
public,
blockchains
and
sort
of
they
didn't
want
to
talk
about.
B
B
A
Sure,
well,
I
I
certainly
do
credit
to
the
public
blockchains
for
formalizing
the
idea
of
a
token
right.
You
know
the
things
like
the
erc20
definition
in
the
ethereum
ecosystem
did
a
lot
to
help.
People
understand
that
these
are.
This
is
a
thing
that
can
be
thought
of
conceptually
separately
from
the
underlying
ledger.
Previous
to
that
point,
people
thought
there
was
kind
of
a
one-to-one
correlation
between
a
token
and
a
ledger.
A
You
know,
is
the
bitcoin
network,
or
it
was
you
know
the
eos
network
or
whatever,
and
instead
it
turned
out-
and
I
think
some
people
realized
this
early
on
and
now
it's
obvious
with
stable
coins.
You
can
have
a
a
lot
of
mix
up
there.
You
could
have
a
lot
of
different
tokens
running
on
ethereum.
You
could
have
tokens
on
permission,
blockchains,
that
sort
of
thing
and
that
realization
has
come
around
just
at
the
time
when
central
banks
have
realized.
A
I
mean
dtcc,
who
has
been
a
part
of
hyperledger
since
that
beginning
since
that
first
thing,
their
goal
was
always
to
move
their
core
transactioning
transaction
processing
systems
that
they
use
to
track
all
the
private
securities
and
public
company
securities
around
the
world
on
behalf
of
wall
street
banks,
on
behalf
of
the
security
or
securities
trading
organizations
out
there
to
move
that
from
a
mainframe
driven
kind
of
central
database
to
a
a
a
permissioned
but
decentralized
one,
I
I
even
they
were
thinking
well.
These
are.
These
are
fungible
assets.
These
are
tokens
right.
A
These
are
things
that
should
be
exchanged
and
we
can
keep
the
ledger
clear,
but
but
the
parties
themselves
should
be
able
to
move
them
without
needing
to
involve
us
right
so
to
some
degree.
We're
talking
about
semantics
here
and
oh
what
people
perhaps
were
nervous
about
calling
tokens
in
2017
and
18.
A
because
of
the
sense
of
oh,
do
that
and
I'll
get
the
sec
on
my
shoulders
to
something
where
they
can
stand
a
little
bit
more
separate
is
is
a
pretty
welcome
change
because
it
allows
us
to
to
kind
of
get
past.
Some
of
that-
and
I
think
even
the
word
blockchain
does
sometimes
prove
a
barrier
to
talking
about
the
deployments
of
things
out
there.
Some
some
organizations
use
the
term
multi-party
systems
to
even
more
generically
describe
these
these
technologies
and
it
might
come
back.
B
B
Here
you
know
dtcc's
code
of
choice,
sony
for
for
its
implementation
has
said
for
years
that
it
would
eventually
open
source,
and
they
have
yet
to
do
that,
and
there
are
some
other
higher
and
low
lower
profile
code
bases
that
have
said
they
were
going
to
open
source,
but
have
not
done
so.
As
you
look
at
the
rate
that
codebases
were
contributed
to
hyper
ledger
in
the.
A
A
B
A
So
you
know
the
effect
that
linux
had
on
the
operating
system.
Market
right
was
pretty
profound,
I
mean
during
the
1990s.
Linux
was
really
just
establishing
its
footing,
but
it
was
already
stepping
into
some
some
mission
critical
roles
in
the
enterprise
kind
of
under
everyone's
budgetary
radar.
In
fact,
ibm
did
this
study
in
1998,
where
they
pulled
their
top
100
ci
company
cios
and
ask
them.
A
You
know
how
many
of
you
are
using
linux
in
your
enterprise
and
like
two
of
them
raise
their
hand
and
said
they
are,
but
then
they
asked
line
level
engineering
managers
and
an
it
guys
inside
those
100
companies.
You
know:
are
you
using
linux
and,
like
90
of
them,
said
yes,
because
it
was
running
on?
You
know:
mail
servers
and
file,
servers
and
dns
servers,
and
these
other
things
that
didn't
bubble
up
into
a
a
purchase
order.
So
the
cio
never
knew
about
it
right
because
it
was
never
a
budget
request.
A
It
was
just
things
that
the
iet
team
went
and
deployed,
and
then
during
the
2000s.
That's
when
you
started
to
see
companies
that
had
their
own
proprietary
flavors
of
linux.
I'm
sorry
of
unix
start
to
realize
that
the
engineering
cost
of
supporting
those
efforts
and
the
marketing
costs
of
convincing
a
customer
to
to
port
it
import
their
application
to
solaris
or
port
it
to
hpux
or
even
to
aix
ibm's
version
of
unix.
At
the
time
I
mean
there
were
like
25
30
of
these
out.
A
A
You
know
at
the
beginning
of
hyperledger.
Arguably
we
had
an
open
door
to
bringing
in
more
different
kinds
of
ledger
platforms
with
different
points
of
view
than
fabric
had
and
sawtooth
had
and
and
bezu
and
others,
but
those
different
the
window
is
probably
closing
in
so
far
as
a
lot
of
these
other
platforms.
Don't
have
a
uniquely
different
point
of
view
if
they're,
especially
if
they're
ones,
that
started
as
forks
of
ethereum
or
speak.
You
know
another
interesting
angle
on
this.
A
Is
damol
if
your
platform
supports
tamil
and
your
users
are
on
down
with
the
distributed
asset
market
language,
which
runs
perfectly
fine
on
fabric,
also
runs
on
bezu?
Why
not?
What's
the
true
value
that
you're,
providing
by
being
a
different
ledger,
underneath
and
and
if
there's
none
you
know?
Not
only
should
you
consider
open
sourcing
it,
you
might
even
just
consider
porting
your
customer
base
over
to
platforms
that
have
better
traction
and
moving
your
value
prop
up
the
stack.
B
So
I
I
think
it
is
interesting
that
I
mean
obviously
giving
away
your
code
is
a
a
massive
business
proposition.
I
mean
you
have
to
really
understand
how
to
capitalize
on
that.
You
have
to
really
understand
the
battle
for
brain
share
and
users
that
understand
your
technology,
and
you
know
how
that
can
turn
into
revenue
10
years,
20
years,
30
years
or
100
years
from
now,
and
it's
not
a
hundred
percent
agreed.
B
It's
interesting,
though,
that
that,
regardless
of
the
business
decisions
that
are
made,
there
is
something
that
that
you,
I
think
you
like
to
call
free
writers,
and
I
think
that
the
free
rider
phenomenon,
I
think,
is
another
interesting
problem
that
a
hyperledger
has
had
to
attack
that
sort
of
helps
paint
the
picture
of
what
the
future
might
or
might
not.
Look
like.
First
of
all,
what
is
a
free
writer?
How
prevalent
is
free
writer
dumb
in
hyperledger,
and
is
it
something
that
you're
worried
about.
A
So
the
free
writer
problem
I
mean
this
is
something
that
every
open
source
project
kind
of
deals
with
and
is
the
other
side
of
the
coin.
From
the
fact
that
you
know
we
have
used
licenses
that
give
away
the
code
very
freely,
and
you
know
in
most
cases
the
gpl
and
copy
left
licenses
aside
do
not
compul.
You
can
require
any
give
back.
Even
when
you
go
off
and
build
this
into
your
own
commercial
products
and
sell
and
make
money
from
it.
A
A
You're
gonna
need
to
fix
that
bug,
and
it's
easier
for
you
to
get
that
fixed
by
asking
me
if
it's
the
right
fix
and
submitting
it
upstream
into
my
code
and
then
and
then
we
start
working
on
this
together
right,
that's
the
idealistic
take
and
it's
the
basis
of
apache.
It's
the
basis
of
all
these
other
communities
out
there,
and
even
if
only
a
tenth
of
the
companies
who
get
value,
drive
something
back.
It's
a
numbers
game.
A
Your
hope
is
that
enough
people
adopt
it
that
one
tenth
of
those
will
feed
back
in
and
that's
certainly
the
case
in
things
like
cloud
computing.
Where
I
mean
every
company,
doing,
enterprise,
software
or
or
deploying
anything
is
using
containers
they're
using
the
cloud,
so
naturally
one-tenth
of
those
or
even
100
of
those
is
going
to
be
a
massive
contributor
community.
The
blockchain
community
is
still
pretty
small.
A
It's
still,
you
know,
describable
on
the
order
of
thousands
of
core
developers
across
projects
rather
than
tens
or
hundreds
or
thousands
of
active
developers,
I'd,
say
and
so
on.
Each
of
our
projects.
You
know
they
range
from
having
you
know,
10
to
20
kind
of
pretty
active,
full-time
developers
to
one
right
and
and
there's
a
risk
when
it
gets
too
small
that
those
projects
they
might
be
interesting
and
thrive,
thriving,
but
they
might
not
be
resilient.
A
You
know
if
that
one
person
has
to
be
reassigned
or
even
hit,
gets
it
by
a
bus.
You
know
we
called
the
bus
factor
than
open
source
projects
that
there's
a
risk.
That
project,
might,
you
might
not
see
other
developers
rise
up
to
become
core
maintainers
on
that
code
and
in
one
case,
with
a
hyperledger
composer,
the
community
made
a
very
difficult
decision,
which
was
here's
a
project
that
had
a
lot
of
active
users
but
the
core
developers
who
did
all
work
for
ibm.
A
Rather
than
trying
to
take
this
prototyping
tool
into
a
direction
it's
not
meant
for,
and
so
they
shifted
their
focus.
We
asked
the
composer
users
do
any
of
you
want
to
be
core
maintainers
and
the
problem
is
when
you
have
software
designed
for
beginner
users
or
even
things
like
say,
mozilla
firefox
right.
A
We
didn't
wanna
have
a
project
in
the
in
the
greenhouse
that
was
live,
but
didn't
have
anyone
home
if
you
had
a
question
or
or
it
wasn't,
cutting
new
releases
or
keeping
up
with
where
fabric
was
going
fabric,
2.0
that
that
sort
of
thing,
so
that
was
where
we
collectively,
as
a
community,
made
a
difficult
decision
to
archive
that
project.
It's
the
code
is
still
available,
but
we're
not
directing
attention
to
it
in
quite
the
same
way.
We
were
even
though
it's
good
code,
even
though
the
users
liked
it.
A
You
know
this
is
one
of
those
things,
those
tough
decisions
you
have
to
make
when
you're
managing
that
portfolio
and
dealing
with
a
lot
of
new
people
and
bound
to
the
community
and
now
there's
there's
other
better
ways
to
onboard
people
climbing
that
learning
curve
with
fabric.
But
it's
missed.
You
know.
B
The
there
was
the
original
vision,
as
I
understand,
of
a
single
code
base
for
a
lot
of
reasons
which
you
already
elucidated
that
wasn't
technically
possible
and
maybe
not
politically
possible.
I
don't
know,
but
it's
interesting
to
hear
you
talk
about
a
tiny
little
bit
of
consolidation,
that
there
was
definitely
a
phase
of
growth
and
there
was
almost
a
a
race
to
be
among
the
first
to
contribute.
B
I
presumably
underneath
the
hopes
of
getting
you
know
early
developers
to
learn
how
to
use
your
software
and
it
it.
I
don't
know
if
it's
fair
to
say
it's
plateaued,
but
it's
definitely
slowed,
and
there
is
a
bit
of
consolidation,
as
you
just
indicated.
Is
that
going
to
continue?
I
mean:
is
it
possible
that
at
some
point
you
know
interoperability
plugged
into
interoperability
plugged
into
interoperability
becomes
just
a
single
code
base
again
like
was
the
original
vision.
A
Well,
I
don't
think
we
ever
get
back
to
a
single
code
base.
I
do
want
to
say
first
there's
a
you
know
the
pace
of
new
projects
joining
you
know,
as
as
a
as
top
level
projects,
we've
kind
of
put
a
throttle
on
that
a
little
bit
just
because
you
know
what
one
thing
that
we've
found
is
as
a
better
approach
is
encouraging
projects
to
join
hyperledger
labs,
which
is
our
kind
of
lower
threshold,
lower
criticality,
more
easy
place
to
get
some
code
started.
A
Maybe
it's
the
result
of
a
prototype
a
weekend
hack.
Maybe
it's
something
that
somebody
isn't
sure
if
others
find
value
in,
but
let's
put
it
here,
it
doesn't
get
the
the
promotion
that
we
do
for
our
main
projects
and
it
doesn't
necessarily
out
of
the
shoot,
get
its
own
logo
that
sort
of
thing,
but
it
is
all
under
an
open
source
license.
A
It
is
all
built
publicly
and
what
we
found
is
that
starting
projects
there
and
as
they
mature,
promoting
them
up
to
to
projects
like
cactus
and
avalon,
that
both
started
as
as
labs
driven
projects
is
a
better
way
to
get
started,
and
so
we've
seen
a
lot
of
interesting
things
happening
there
this
year.
There's
a
project
there
to
do
a
central
bank,
digital
currency,
defined
using
the
token
taxonomy
framework,
for
example,
there's
another
called
the
blockchain
automation
framework.
A
Both
of
those
could
become
top
level
projects,
as
we
call
them
over
time,
but
we're
we're
taking
the
time
to
build
the
community
and
build
like
a
more
solid
code
base
there
first
before
graduating
them
up.
So
in
that
way,
we've
gotten
more
mature
and
maybe
slowing
down
in
that
way,
isn't
a
bad
thing
and-
and
I
think
we're
all
realizing
too,
like
there
isn't
we're
not
our
goal
is
not
to
be
github.
You
know
our
goal
is
not
even
to
be
the
apache
software
foundation.
A
We
want
to
be
a
well
curated
portfolio
of
core
infrastructure,
blockchain
projects
and
and
allowing
for
optionality
allowing
for
some
competition
between
those,
but
also
looking
at.
What
can
we
work
on
together?
So
that's
where
projects
like
ursa,
which
is
about
unifying
the
cryptographic
routines,
underneath
all
the
other
projects
as
a
way
to
make
it
easier
to
adopt
new
routines,
make
it
easier
to
validate
that
there
are
fewer
bugs
in
that
code
than
you
might
otherwise
have.
A
B
I
think
so
we
do
have
some
great
questions
coming
in
from
developers
that
I
want
to
be
sure
that
we
get
a
chance
to
go
to,
but
very
quickly,
just
with
an
eye
to
the
future.
I
wanted
to
ask
if
you
could
kind
of
expand
a
little
bit
on
that
modularity
concept
that
you
were
just
talking
about,
specifically,
as
relates
to
the
newly
revealed
open
governance
network.
B
A
There's
always
going
to
be
participants
going.
Well,
I'm
not
going
to
put
my
real
transactions
there.
My
real
assets
there
until
I
know
that
this
has
a
degree
of
independence,
whether
it's
technology,
vendor
independence
or
independence.
From
my
main
competitor,
I
don't
want
them
running
the
blockchain
network.
Right
is
always
a
concern
and
it's
a
completely
valid
concern,
because
we
do
all
these
these
things
to
try
to
be
more
decentralized
than
they
otherwise
would
be.
A
If
we're
happy
letting
one
company
run
the
central
database
or
all
of
the
nodes
in
the
blockchain
network,
we
might
as
well
do
a
something.
That's
more
like
airbnb
or
paypal
right
than
something
shared,
and
so
we've
been
working
to
put
together
both
a
conceptual
model
as
well
as
some
specific
examples
of
having
the
linux
foundation
serve
as
a
governance
home
for
these
kinds
of
blockchain
networks.
A
We're
working
on
two
of
those
right
now,
both
in
the
regulatory
space
around
reporting
to
one
around
pharmaceuticals,
the
other
around
insurance
reporting
using
hyperledger
technologies.
In
both
cases,
although
really
conceptually
these
will
be
independent
projects,
those
will
be
sister
projects,
the
hyperledger
and
frankly,
if
they
would
rather
use
corda
or
rather
use
quorum,
they
should
feel
free
to
right,
and
so
this
is.
This
is
modular
with
respect
to
hyperledger.
A
They
might
even
come
up
with
code
that
could
be
upstreamed
into
hyperledger
over
time,
but
they're
really
about
you
know
in
the
same
way
that
we
form
consortia
to
answer
the
software
question.
How
do
we
build
that
software
together?
This
is
about
how
do
we
piece
that
software,
together
plus
legal
constraints,
plus
you
know,
human
governance
into
a
functioning
network?
B
Thank
you.
Brian
I've
got
a
question
here
from
an
ethereum
developer,
who
wants
to
go
to
the
dark
side
and
enter
the
hyperledger
ecosystem
andrew
asks.
Are
there
any
example?
Repos
I
can
try
to
learn
from
from
setting
up
a
private
chain
to
integrating
messenger
and
event
systems
like
kafka
and
rabbitmd,
to
deploying
a
smart
contract
onto
it.
A
To
that
permission
network
as
well
as
how
to
stand
beiju
up
as
a
public
chain
node,
and
it's
one
of
the
three
or
four
top
client
software
for
the
the
ethereum
public
chain,
as
well
as
the
ethereum
classic
chain.
So
start
with
that.
And
then,
when
you're,
I'm
not
quite
clear
on
where,
where
I
would
recommend
going
in
terms
of
integration
with
kafka
and
rapid
md.
But
the
beizu
developers
hang
out
on
the
hyperledger
chat
system
and
just
simply
chat.hyperledger.org.
A
We
have
to
do
everything
slightly
differently.
So,
instead
of
using
slack,
we
use
something
called
rocketchat
for
for
the
community,
but
that's
a
good
place
to
show
up
and
start
asking
some
questions
and
then
and
it
does
support
different
consensus
mechanisms.
So,
if
you're
looking
at
using
kafka
as
the
consensus
mechanism
for
bay
zoo,
that's
where
I
would
go
as
to
where
the
core
developers
hang
out
on
chat
and
ask
them
there
about
where
to
potentially
get
started.
In
writing
your
own
consensus.
Module
for
for
bay,
zoo.
B
A
A
Sure,
well,
it's
not
necessarily
a
more
accurate
term.
It's
a
little
bit
more
generalized
term.
I
mean
to
some
degree
the
internet
is
a
multi-party
system
right,
but
it's
a
multi-party
system
that
works
in
fact
due
credit
to
the
domain
name
system,
for
being
something
that's
not
based
on
a
blockchain,
but
is
about
as
close
as
you
get
to
you
know,
a
decentralized
approach
to
solving
a
big
consistency,
challenge
right,
and
so
I
there
are.
A
You
know,
companies
out
there
where,
if
you
say
the
word
blockchain,
as
in
the
name
of
your
project
or
you're,
asking
for
money,
you
know
and
somebody's
going
to
look
at
that
and
do
a
google
search
and
see
all
this
kind
of
alarming
kinds
of
content
and
and
their
first
reaction
might
be
whoa
whoa.
This
sounds
this
sounds
weird.
I
don't
want
to
touch
it
right.
So
in
some
cases
it
is
a
marketing
challenge.
A
More
than
anything
else,
and
potentially
as
well,
though
you
know
it's
a
term
that
might
encompass
other
web
three
technologies
like
ipfs,
for
example,
ipfs
at
its
core
is
a
dht,
not
so
much
a
blockchain,
and
yet
it's
being
used
in
a
lot
of
blockchain
projects.
So
if
we
were
to
have
ipfs
related
projects
inside
hyperledger,
which
you
know
could
could
happen,
I
it
wouldn't
be
appropriate
to
call
ipfs
a
blockchain
technology,
and
so
it's
expanding
our
scope
in
that
way
might
be
on
the
table.
A
B
A
So
one
important
kind
of
thing
that
we
agreed
early
on
and
then
again
this
was
me
asking
the
community
to
make
sure
that
we
were
clearing.
This
was
that
hyperledger
was
going
to
be
about
software
and
it
was
really
going
to
be
up
to
you
to
deploy
it
to
build
a
network
right
and
that
way
we
could
avoid
all
the
complexity
around
not
having
a
main
net,
not
having
a
coin.
That's
when
I
said
there'd
be
no
hypercoin.
A
I
still
say
that,
and
I
have
to
apologize
to
my
staff
for
not
making
them
filthy
rich,
but
the,
but
we're
always
about
about
being
that
software,
that
people
go
off
and
build
into
their
own
networks
and
that'll
continue
to
be
true,
but
there
can
be
there.
There
can
be
better
software,
I
believe
for
helping
those
launching
blockchain
as
a
service
offerings.
You
know
today.
A
We've
got
a
lot
of
the
major
vendors
kind
of
incorporating
fabric
into
their
own
kind
of
larger
management
systems,
whether
that's
ibm
into
ibm
blockchain
platform
or
azure
into
their
into
their
kind
of
consoles,
and
that's
going
to
make
sense.
But
if
we
really
want
to
have
lots
of
other
companies
out
there
offering
these
kinds
of
things,
you
know
companies
like
digitalocean,
for
example,
or
others
having
more
automated
ways
or
even
for
vendors
or
end-user
organizations
with
their
own
I.t
staff
having
more
automated
ways
to
manage.
B
In
fact,
I'll
give
you
a
little
inside
information
here
for
anyone's
here.
My
guess
is
that
roughly
90
percent
of
our
list
members
this
year
or
next
year
will
have
live
applications,
as
opposed
to
our
first
year,
where
it
was
kind
of
the
opposite,
was
10
live
and
90
poc,
but
with
the
increased
number
of
live
projects,
there's
I
think
a
decreased
number
of
total
projects,
as
pocs
kind
of
go
dormant
or
the
use
case
doesn't
prove
out.
B
There's
just
not
demand
for
it,
so
the
total
mature
projects
are
increasing,
but
the
total
actual
project
is
decreasing.
Is
this
a
positive
or
a
negative
thing
for
hyperledger?
Like
is
hyper
ledger
doing?
Okay,
I
want
to
get
the
business
question
here.
Like
is
hyperledger
doing,
okay
financially,
will
we
still
see
hyper
ledger
around
in
five
ten
years.
A
So
let
me
answer
the
the
last
question
first,
so
we
are
absolutely
okay,
we
are
here
we,
this
has
been
a
hard
year
for
lots
of
different
companies,
and
consortia
are
kind
of
exp.
You
know
expect
to
be
last
on
the
list
to
be
bought
into
and
kind
of,
first
and
the
list
to
be
cut
when
budgets
go
down
right,
and
so
we
are.
We've
certainly
had
some
churn
this
year
as
we
do
every
year,
but
but
we
have
our
core
staff.
A
Kind
of
permeate
other
projects
at
the
linux
foundation
and
probably
end
up
with
more
people
over
time
working
on
it
than
than
just
at
hyperledger.
So
so
we're
all
good
and
we
don't
have
vcs
kind
of
breathing
down
our
neck.
Wanting
a
10x
return
in
five
years,
or
anything
like
that.
So
so
we
can
survive,
and
it's
really
through
our
membership
that
we're
able
to
do
this
and
then.
A
A
We
hear
about
it
on
one-on-one
phone
calls
with
our
members,
but
they
often
are
kind
of
hesitant
to
even
do
a
blog,
post
or
other
kind
of
pr
around
it,
because
they
want
to
see
how
it
turns
out,
but
you're
right
that
other
networks
are
doubling
down
and
increasing
on
trade
lens,
for
example,
which
everyone
loved
to
kind
of
beat
up
on,
because
it
was
very
immerse
centric
at
the
very
beginning.
They
now
have
175
different
organizations
participating
directly
on
it.
50
of
the
global
container
shipping
fleet
fleet
is
represented
on
the
platform.
A
Some
other
kind
of
you
know
other
other
interest
in
like
widely
talking
about
so
sometimes
getting
stories
out
from
our
members
is
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
of
what
we
have
to
do,
but
we
see
it.
We
feel
it
and
it's
powering
through
this
pandemic,
and
I
think
in
2021
things
are
going
to
be
really
amazing
on
that
front.
So.
A
So
I
think
I
think
they'll
exist
in
resonance
with
each
other
and
find
find
a
way
to
co-exist
that
provides
value
to
the
enterprise,
because
that's
that's
what
it
is
at
the
end
of
the
day.
But
it's
been
heartening
to
see
the
public
ledger
community
evolve
from
where
it
was
five
years
ago
to
where
it
is
now,
which
is
potentially
a
substrate
for
a
lot
of
these
kinds
of
activities.
I.
B
A
Okay,
great
and
I
I
and
yeah
I
know
we're
a
past
time
so
I'll
simply
say
we
leave
it
up
to
the
individual
projects
to
decide
what
direction
they
want
to
take
the
code
base
in
they
do
that
publicly.
They
have
a
couple
different
processes
for
doing
that.
Typically,
issuing
rfcs
calls
for
comments
on
different
proposals
and,
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
being
decentralized
in
this
way
is
actually
key
part
of
how
we
scale
and
how
we
work.
So
I
would
turn
you
over
to
the
bezu
community.
A
Ask
you
to
check
out
check
out
the
the
website
for
bay,
zoo,
the
wiki
space
for
it,
and
if
you
have
questions
to
join
the
the
chat
channel
for
them-
and
I
know
they're
very
open
to
it,
and
one
of
their
biggest
things
on
bazoo
is
that
they
track
the
public
blockchain
technology
roadmaps
very
closely.
So
align
me
with
ethereum
2.0
and
all
those
things
is
super
important
for
them.
Awesome.
B
Brian
everyone
in
hyperledger,
thank
you
so
much
for
putting
this
together,
looking
forward
to
seeing
the
coming
up
events
over
the
next
weeks.
I
believe
that
you
and
I
are
going
to
be
talking
one
more
time,
or
at
least
I'm
going
to
be
doing
one
more
panel
over
the
next
month
or
so,
and
I
I
also
just
wanted
to
give
one
last
plug.
I
definitely
follow
forbes's
blockchain
50..
You
will
see
hyperledger
members
represented
in
large
number.