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From YouTube: Five Years of Hyperledger: What’s the current impact and where will we drive change next?
Description
In 2020, discussions around governance, scaling and managing blockchain networks continued, but we also saw deeper interest in identity and supply chain use cases, given the struggle with COVID-19. This webinar will include company leaders who have been involved in Hyperledger since the early days, and can provide unique perspectives into the growth, hurdles, and challenges that come along with a layered, complex community and a vastly applicable nascent technology. They’ll speak to it from their own experience, where they think the current opportunities are and where Hyperlegder and enterprise blockchain is headed.
Brian Behlendorf, Executive Director, Hyperledger
Chris Ferris, IBM Fellow, CTO Open Technology, IBM
Dan O'Prey, Chief Strategy Officer, Digital Asset
David Treat, Senior Managing Director, Accenture
Hanna Zubko, Co-founder, CEO, IntellectEU
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Hyperledger – Open Source Blockchain Technologies
Hyperledger is an open source community focused on developing a suite of stable frameworks, tools and libraries for enterprise-grade blockchain deployments.
It serves as a neutral home for various distributed ledger frameworks including Hyperledger Besu, Fabric, Sawtooth, Indy, as well as tools like Hyperledger Avalon, Cactus and libraries like Hyperledger Aries, Ursa. Learn more about Hyperledger projects: https://www.hyperledger.org/use
Case Studies: https://www.hyperledger.org/learn/case-studies
Training & Certification: https://www.hyperledger.org/learn/training
Tutorials: https://www.hyperledger.org/use/tutorials
Webinars: https://www.hyperledger.org/learn/webinars
Events: https://www.hyperledger.org/events
Vendor Directory: https://www.hyperledger.org/use/vendor-directory
Subscribe to the Hyperledger Newsletter: https://www.hyperledger.org/newsletter
Follow-us on Twitter @Hyperledger
Learn about Hyperledger Membership: https://www.hyperledger.org/about/join
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A
A
We
would
put
together
a
series
of
panels
looking
at
really
how
much
progress
have
we
made
in
going
out
there
and
talking
about
enterprise
blockchain
building
tools
that
enterprises
can
use
and
really
supporting
the
deployment
of
this
really
exciting
domain
and
and
we're
really
pleased
to
have
put
together
a
this
series
of
panels
covering
a
range
of
different
topics.
In
fact,
the
one
next
week
is
in
a
different
time
zone.
A
It's
focused
on
the
the
asia
pacific
audience
we
felt
it
was
important
to,
as
we
have
for
our
history,
to
really
make
sure
that
that
part
of
the
world
feels
and
is
included
as
a
first
class
participant.
So
look
forward
to
that.
In
fact,
on
the
hyperledger
website,
we've
published
the
agenda
for
those
upcoming
events.
A
A
You
have
to
pay
the
shipping,
but
the
shirt
itself
is
free,
so
to
help
us
celebrate
all
of
that
again,
it
will
be
available
at
the
five
year
anniversary
website
which
the
link
to
which
will
drop
in
chat
here.
If
you
haven't
already
and
and
go
ahead
and
pick
that
up,
that'll
be
ready
actually
later
today
or
this
week.
A
I
think
the
link
will
be
available
to
be
able
to
order
that
now
I'd
like
to
hand
the
reins
off
to
hana,
zubko
who's,
the
co-founder
and
ceo
of
intellect
eu.
She
will
be
moderating
the
panel
today
and
facilitating
the
introductions
of
the
other
panelists.
So
with
that,
I
will
pass
the
baton
and
take
it
away.
C
Thank
you
brian.
I
feel
really
honored
to
moderate.
Today
this
all-star
enterprise
blockchain
panel
collecting
and
bringing
together
all
the
heavyweights
and
people
who's
been
there
from
the
very
beginning.
So
let
me
start
with
introduction.
Chris
ferris
ibm
fellow
cto,
open
technology
at
ibm
and
also
hyperledger
board.
C
I'll,
let
dan
later
speak
about
origins
of
the
name
and
david
treat,
who
is
global,
blockchain
and
multi-party
systems
lead
at
accenture
and
hyperledger
board
member.
So
thank
you,
everyone
making
time
for
the
panel
today
and
to
kick
off.
I
really
would
love
all
of
you
to
reflect
on
what
was
the
state
of
blockchain
at
the
time
when
hyperledger
was
created
in
2015.
C
D
D
The
idea
of
creating
a
a
project
under
the
the
linux
foundation
to
develop
enterprise,
blockchain
technology,
and
so
I
I
pitched
him
and-
and
there
was
a
moment
of
silence
and
then
he
just
started
laughing,
and
I
was
like
jim-
I
don't.
I
don't
get
it.
Why
are
you
laughing
at
me?
I
thought
it
was
a
pretty
good
proposal.
He
says
no,
I'm
not
laughing
at
you.
He
says
I'm
laughing
because
you're
not
the
first
person
to
come
and
pitch
me
an
idea
for
a
blockchain
based
project
at
the
linux
foundation.
D
He
says
you're
about
the
eighth
and
he
says
but
you're
the
first
one
that
actually
made
one
that
made
sense
for
a
linux
foundation,
and
so
that
sort
of
you
know
sealed
the
deal,
and
you
know
we
collaboratively
worked
to
to
pull
together
the
initial
set
of
companies
and
and
make
the
announcement
on
on
the
17th
with.
So
I
had
a
lot
of
help.
D
I'll
be
honest,
I
mean
you
had
john
bullpart,
who
is
no
longer
with
ibm
he's
not
with
consensus,
but
he
did
a
lot
of
the
the
the
dialing
of
dollars,
for
you
know
calling
up
his
his
the
people
on
his
on
his
rolodex.
You
know
the
as
if
they
wanted
to
participate
and
and
jim
obviously
has
a
very
rich
rolodex,
we
actually
we
we
over.
You
know
we
we
we
far
exceeded
what
I
was
hoping
we
would
get
initially.
D
I
think
we
had
17
companies
on
the
initial
announcement
in
the
17th
and
then
when
we
formally
launched
the
organization
in
february,
I
think
we
had
22
and
it
went
from
there
and
it
just
it
just
blew
up.
So
so
that's
basically
you
know
where,
where
it
was,
I
mean
blockchain
wasn't
really
exciting.
Then
it
really
was.
D
I
think,
the
the
the
holiday
season
of
2015
2016
that
every
cto
or
a
cio
in
the
in
the
world
you
know
was
going
to
holiday
parties
and
the
hearing
about
blockchain
and
icos
and
how
you
know
everything
and
they
came
back.
You
know
the
beginning
of
the
year
and
blockchain
blockchain
blockchain.
We
have
to
do
blockchain,
and
so
I
think
it
was
very,
very
timely
that
you
know
the
the
start
of
hyperledger.
E
E
I
just
left
my
my
previous
cloud
startup
and
then
was
getting
very
interested
in
bitcoin
and
obviously
that
was
the
the
hot
thing
ethereum
hadn't
quite
launched
yet
around
then,
and
just
started
really
exploring
how
the
tech
could
be
used
outside
of
just
purely
for
a
cryptocurrency
and
had
absolutely
no
idea
where
the
market
would
go
or
what
it
would
be
called.
And
myself
and
my
co-founder
were
just
sort
of
throwing
around
a
couple
of
names
and
actually
it
was
he
who
suggested
hyperledger.
E
So
I
can't
even
take
credit
for
that
piece
and
I
thought
at
the
time
sounded
a
bit
80s
and
retro
and
a
bit
dated,
but
fortunately
he
convinced
me
that
retro
was
going
to
be
cool
again,
so
we
went
with
it
and
it
stuck
and
then
yeah
technology
really
around
2015.
When
we
started
hyperledger
at
the
linux
foundation,
there
was
just
bitcoin.
E
We
saw
really
the
the
opportunity
there
for
a
group
of
companies
which
weren't
you
know
weren't
directly,
trying
to
monetize
that
layer
to
actually
just
come
together
and
collaborate
and
make
sure
that
something
that
met
the
needs
of
of
the
use
cases
we'll
talk
about
later
today
existed
so
that
we
could
all
focus
and
specialize
building
on
top
and
around
that.
So
did
not
expect.
You
know,
five
years
after
we
started
the
project,
as
chris
said
it,
it.
F
B
Yeah,
I
I
think
I'll
end
up
crediting,
both
both
da
and
ibm
and
some
within
some
of
the
early
engagement
we
had.
You
know
we
had.
We've
got
accenture
labs
right,
our
applied
r
d
function
and
they
had
they
had
been
working
on
blockchain,
since
you
know
around
2012,
ish
time
frame,
giuseppe,
giordano
and
luca,
and
you
know
whole
team
in
that.
In
that
lab,
and-
and
you
know
what
we
do
is
is
the
moment
that
we're
seeing
enough
client
engagement
and
success
and
the
actual
use
cases
and
value
cases.
B
We
we
mature,
that
mature
it
out
of
the
lab's
infrastructure
and
start
to
build
a
business
around
it,
and
just
you
know,
just
maybe
I
don't
know
six
or
eight
months
before
before
hyperledger
was
formed.
We
had
come
to
that
conclusion
that
it
was
time
to
start
to
build.
You
know,
build
this
business,
and
so,
as
part
of
that
those
early
days,
you
know
we
did
did
two
obvious
things
right
we
reached
out
to.
B
We
have
you
know
our
massive
alliance,
partnership
with
ibm
and-
and
you
know
our
great
history
of
going
to
market
together
from
a
product
perspective
and
then,
as
our
you
know,
we
surveyed
the
startup
community.
You
know
digital
asset
actually
had
gone
through
the
fintech
innovation
lab
program
that
that
we
co-sponsor-
and
I
now
co-run
in
new
york,
and
I
think
it
was
blithing
you've
all
pulled
me
aside
at
one
point
and
say:
hey
this:
you
know
this
hyperledger
thing
is
forming.
B
You
should
pay
attention
and
you
know
moments
later.
You
know
connecting
all
the
dots
it
was.
It
was
an
obvious
join
given
where
we
were
in
that
stage
of
of
evolution,
and
so
we're
thrilled
to
jump
in
right
from
the
start,
and
you
know
do
what
we
could
to
help
to
shape
it,
and
so
you
know
at
that
point
in
time.
I
think
you
know
both
chris
and
dan
said
it
well,
it
was.
It
was
definitely
early
days
we
were
on,
for
you
know,
first,
clients,
first,
first,
clients.
B
First
implementations,
first
use
cases.
We
had
the
confidence
that
we
knew
that
this
was
going
to
be
important
and
that
we
needed
to
build
a
business
around
it.
But
but
clearly
you
know
hindsight
2020,
you
know
it's.
I
think
I
think
it's
been
a
wild
journey
since
then
predictable
in
some
ways
and
and
very
unpredictable
in
others.
So
I'm
sure
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
that,
but
but
yeah
it.
B
No
regrets
move
from
the
start,
we're
eager
just
from
a
philosophical
basis
to
seek
out
given
the
implicit
nature
of
what
this
technology
is
about,
of,
being
able
to
form.
You
know:
multi-party
systems
with
others
and
rethink
and
transform
entire
industries,
not
bringing
a
single
thing
to
a
single
client,
but
thinking
about
how
to
engage
the
entire
front
to
back
business
flow
and
ecosystem.
You
know:
how
else
are
you
going
to
do
that,
but
to
come
together
in
in
a
group
of
consortium
consortia
of
of
clients,
peers?
B
C
D
D
D
D
D
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
things
that
are
built
around
some
sort
of
center
of
gravity
and
and
then
we
have
multiple
centers
of
gravity
right
where
you
have
fabric
and
now,
basu
and
and
sawtooth
and
indy,
and
we
have
now
a
bunch
of
projects
that
are
sort
of
pulling
out
and
teasing
out
components.
So
projects
like
ursa
are,
you
know,
focusing
on
so
here's
a
common
set
of
functionality
that
we
can
share
across
a
number
of
different
projects.
D
Projects
like
grid
transact,
again
same
sort
of
idea
where
we
could
have
something
that
was
built
that
could
potentially
be
used
by
many.
You
have
projects
like
cello
and
and
caliper
that
were
designed
to
be
used
by
all,
as
you
know,
whether
it's
a
deployment
framework
or
a
benchmarking
framework,
and
and
now
you
have
projects
like
cactus
that
are
that
are
looking
at
interoperability
between
blockchain.
D
So
again,
I
think
we
have
these
multiple
centers
of
gravity,
and
then
we
have
some
of
these
things
that
are
sort
of
in
the
inner
species
of
you
know
between
the
projects
or
they're
trying
to
glue
the
projects
together,
and
so
it
is
an
interesting
ride.
You
know
I,
I
don't
know
that,
there's
you
know
a
correct
or
an
incorrect
approach
to
how
things
are
going,
but
you
know
we
we
are
where
we
are
and
it's
it
seems
to
be
moving
along
pretty
well.
D
So
you
know
I'll,
even
during
this
this
you
know
2020
the
year
that
we're
all
trying
to
forget.
I
think
it's
actually
been
been
going
quite
well,
and
so
you
know
it's
it's
definitely
an
interesting
ride.
We're
definitely
coming
up
with
a
whole
lot
of
innovation
and
that's,
I
think,
a
positive,
and
so
I
hope
we
can
keep
it
up
and-
and
maybe
you
know,
get
to
fewer
centers
of
gravity
so
that
we're
collaborating
a
little
bit
more
across
across
the
the
different
boundaries.
B
That
piece
of
it
chris
I
mean
that,
that's
always
you
know,
I
don't
know
it's
been
what
every
every
six
or
nine
months-
and
maybe
we
let's
get
brian
away
in
here
right,
every
six
or
nine
months
right.
We
have
a
decently
heated,
but
always
collegial
and
productive
conversation
of
right.
That
is,
it
is
do
we
know.
Is
it
a
cambrian
explosion
of
projects?
And
you
know
or
or
do
we
start
to
rally
and
and
consolidate?
And
you
know
it's
certainly
an
ongoing
ongoing
discussion
topic.
B
B
You
know,
and
you
know
what
india
has
done
around
the
digital
identity
space
and
you
know
give
way
to
you
know
aries
over
time,
and
you
know
the
integration
between
the
two
you
know
versus
fabric
versus
sawtooth
versus
base.
Two,
I
think
it's
you
know
it's
it's
one
of
the
more
fun
and
productive.
You
know
conversations
every
six
to
nine
months
and
I
know
it
you
know
brian
has
to
play
referees
sometimes,
but
I
don't
know
brian,
do
you?
A
A
I
forget
the
exact
start
date
that
I
pulled
the
trigger
and
and
joined
as
a
full-time
employee
of
the
linux
foundation
and
full-time
focused
on
hyper
ledger
and
one
of
the
things
I
realized,
and
actually
I've
been
to
some
of
the
community
meetings,
the
one
that
was
at
jp
morgan's
offices
in
brooklyn.
I
think
and
another
one
in
dtcc
in
jersey,
city
or
something
like
that.
A
When
I
showed
up
on
the
scene
and
even
down
to
the
implementation
languages,
I
mean
I
always
hate
it.
When
debates
and
software
become
as
banal
as
programming
language
preferences
right,
but
but
they
do
matter,
it
mattered
that
go
isn't
that
fabric
wasn't
go
and
that
sawtooth
was
in
python
because
they
had
different
objectives
and
different
goals.
A
A
People
wanted
to
take
the
pressure
off
of
the
fabric
team
to
have
to
be
all
things
to
all
people
right
and
and
make
sure
that
you
know,
even
if
we
had
a
little
bit
of
confusion
to
deal
with,
we
had
a
better
shot
at
making
sure
we
had
the
category
leading
platforms
in,
and
I
think
we
we
over
exceeded
on
that
goal.
We
had
not
just
one
with
fabric,
which
you
know
due
credit
to
everybody.
A
Who's
been
involved
with
that,
chris
yourself
and
and
and
everybody
that
is
now
the
majority
deployed
platform
out
there
in
the
enterprise
blockchain
space
right.
But
we
also
have
now
the
the
the
category
leading
digital
identity,
distributed
digital
identity
platform
in
the
form
of
indian
aries
and
the
drive
that
that's
made
and
what
we
all
hope
will
be.
A
Ideas
share
infrastructure
do
build
cross,
ledger
projects,
you
know
those
sorts
of
things
and
projects
like
the
blockchain
automation
framework
in
hyperledger
labs,
which
is
due
a
lot
of
attention.
That's
a
really
powerful
thing,
and
so
I
think
that's
that's
really
an
accomplishment.
It's
it's
hard
to
pull
together
a
community
of
communities,
and
I
think
we've
done
a
pretty
admirable
job
on
that.
But
there's
always
questions
at
the
boundary
questions
at
the
periphery
to
figure
out.
How
can
we
do
better.
C
And
brian
there
is
live
questions
that
came
in
that,
I
think,
would
fit
in
what
you
just
shared
specifically
like
a
question
from
lucian.
Are
there
any
blockchain
projects
involving
sector
regulators
that
need
to
check
compliance
with
mandatory
norms,
quality
safety
or
technical
regulations
applicable
to
imported
products?
Thank
you.
I
don't
know.
If
any
any
of
you
are
comfortable.
B
I've
got,
I
mean
it's
certainly,
you
know
the
the
work
that
we're
doing
with
nymph
on
nippon
express
right
on
fabric
is,
you
know
far
far
far,
you
know
responding
to
pharmaceutical
serialization
requirements
to
make
sure
that
we've
got.
You
know
you
know
we're
not
in
not
allowing
counterfeit
drugs
to
enter
into
the
you
know
the
pharmaceutical
supply
chain
heavily
regulated
heavily.
A
It's
just
software,
it
all
depends
on
how
it
goes
out
there
and
gets
deployed
in
different
scenarios,
and,
but
I
have
to
say
almost
every
project
I
hear
about
is
about
meeting
some
some
use
case,
some
sort
of
needs
in
very
heavily
regulated
environments,
whether
it's
pharmaceutical
supply
chain,
whether
it's
insurance,
regulatory
conformance,
which
is
another
project
that
is
it
implements
it
with
all
sorts
of
supply
chain.
Traceability
needs
all
sorts
of
financial
instrument
kinds
of
needs.
A
The
involvement
of
the
regulators
is
pretty
key
to
those
projects
to
make
them
successful
and
that's
been
really
cool
to
see
the
regulators
warming
up
to
the
under
underpinnings
of
the
technology
and
getting
comfortable
with
that
and
actually
seeing
it.
As
you
know
this
technology
as
regtech
in
a
way,
I
don't
know
if
others
on
the
panel
have
kind
of
seen
that,
but
I
know
all
of
you
have
operated
in
in
these
heavily
regulated
industries
and
build
projects
there.
In
that,
including
including
yourselves
at
intellect
eu.
C
Well,
thank
you
so
much
and
lucia
asked
whether
we
could
provide
some
links
describing
this
project.
I
guess
hyperledger
website
would
be
a
good
place
to
start
to
look
for
links
and
there's
also
newsletters
that
you
can
sign
up
to
learn
more
about
all
the
upcoming
projects,
but
I'll
let
hyperledger
team
also
to
follow
up
and
for
everyone
who
is
listening.
I
would
encourage
you
to
post
questions
in
the
q
a
and
we'll
try
to
answer
as
many
as
possible.
C
C
C
A
D
B
D
C
D
And
but
yeah
it
really
it.
It
almost
was
the
I
actually
the
week
before
we
were
wrapping
up
our
first
meeting
of
the
open
ssf,
what
became
openssf
the
open
source
security
forum,
and
so,
but
I
think
you
know
we
were
thinking,
okay,
we're
ready
to
go,
and
now
we've
got
some
patterns
that
are
very
effective
and
we
can
start
rolling
these
things
out
and
everybody
puts
the
brakes
on.
D
Business
comes
to
a
screeching
halt
and-
and
but
you
know
again,
new
opportunities
emerged
right,
and
so
there
was
an
awful
lot
of
focus
on.
You
know
coming
up
with
a
vaccine
coming
up
with
you
know,
therapeutics
and
so
forth,
and
so
there
was
a
lot
of
focus
on
high
performance,
computing
and
so
forth,
but
then
also
we
had
to
figure
out
well,
how
are
we
going
to
get
back
to
work
right?
You
know,
what's
going
to
be
the
process
for
understanding
who's
been
vaccinated,
who
hasn't
been
vaccinated,
who's?
D
You
know,
tested
positive
or
whatever,
and
so
we
have
a
whole
new
set
of
potential
opportunity
for
blockchain-based
solutions.
I
think
mi
pasa
was
the
first
one
out
the
door
from
sarah
and
ibm
and
the
world
health
organization
sort
of
getting
together
and
coming
up
with
an
approach,
but
you
know,
since
then
there
have
been
a
number
of
different
applications
that
are
using
blockchain
as
a
as
a
means
of
securing
credentials
about
whether
or
not
you've
been
you
know,
cleared
of
the
virus
and
so
forth,
or
even
just
sharing
information.
D
D
I
do
think
that
you
know
a
lot
of
the
patterns
that
we
had
been
ready
to
sort
of
unleash
and
to
start
really
driving
supply
chain
management,
supplier
management,
trade,
finance,
insurance
right,
some,
some
regulatory
things.
You
know:
identity,
credential
based,
I'm
sorry,
identity-based
credentialing
of
you
know,
diplomas
and
so
forth.
An
awful
lot
of
things
are
starting
to
come
together
as
the
the
year
is,
as
people
sort
of
figure
out
how
to
get
back
to
to
doing
things.
D
I
just
think
that
this
year
was
unfortunate,
that
we
weren't
actually
in
a
very
experimental
phase
where
people
are
looking
to
do.
You
know
sort
of
non-core
required
things
for
their
business,
because
everybody
is
so
challenged
in
in
many
other
respects,
but
I'm
hoping
that
that
spirit
of
innovation
can
return
and
we
can
start
exploring
even
more
use
cases
and
taking
those
same
solution,
domains
those
sort
of
patterns
and
applying
them
in
other
in
other
contexts,
I
think
that'll
that'll
be
the
the
next
year
and
a
half
or
so
coming.
E
Agree
with
chris-
and
I
think
also
the
opportunity
piece
that
that
he
mentioned
I've
been
pretty
pleasantly
surprised.
You
know
sort
of
business-wise
after
after,
as
he
said,
there's
a
few
months
where
everyone
slammed
on
the
brakes
and
were
distracted
and
we're
all
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
work
from
home,
etc.
E
The
new
sort
of
accelerated
impetus
on
on
generally
on
digitization
and
digitizing
their
business
and
more
modernizing
their
infrastructure.
We've
seen
you
know
unprecedented
levels
of
sort
of
like
trade
volumes
in
the
in
the
markets
and
need
for
these
systems
to
actually
scale
and
deal
with.
You
know
new
ways
of
working.
E
Many
of
you
know
our
customers
are
people
within
the
financial
services,
industry,
insurance,
etc
are
dealing
with
old,
mainframes
and
20
year
old
systems.
So
I
do
think
a
part
of
this
has
been
a
a
big
opportunity
and
a
refocus
on
on
how
you
know
if
we
are
going
to
modernize
these
systems
which
are
working
but
brittle
and
aging
can
blockchain
be
the
thing
we
look
to
to
make
sure
that
we
are
future-proof,
for
you
know
the
next
black
swan
event
or
or
unprecedented
time.
B
Yeah,
I
I
couldn't
agree
more
right,
we're
you
know
we're,
and
I
think
the
next
you
know
months
and
quarters
are
going
to
be
even
more
intense
against
some
of
these
dimensions
that
chris
and
dan
referenced
right.
We're
we're
facing
the
world's
largest
supply
chain
event
ever
right
to
get.
You
know
to
get
how
many
well
7.8
billion
people
vaccines
right
on
a
global
scale
and
with
with
the
certainty
and
confidentiality
that
they
you
know
that
they
are
genuine.
B
You
know
the
the
you
know,
real-time
distribution
of
areas
of
oversupply
to
under-supply
the
feedback
loops,
the
you
know
the
the
level
of
coordination
between
a
the
menu,
the
drug
manufacturers,
the
logistics
providers,
the
health
systems
and
the
governments
that
all
four
of
those
industries
need
to
collaborate
with
each
other.
To
be
able
to.
You
know
to
you
know
to
manage
that
that
that
flown
event,
you
know
those
that
are
doing
it
incredibly
well
and
right
are
not
viewing
it
as
a
tactical
one-off.
How
many
you
know?
B
How
many
can
I
throw
brute
force?
It
you
know,
bubble
gum,
band-aids
and
just
get
get
by,
but
are
thinking
our
thinking
forward
to
you
know
the
the
dynamics
right
that
I
think
both
chris
and
dan
referenced,
that
the
the
changing
nature
of
our
global
supply
chains
and
that
and
what
our
whole
wave
of
technology
has
unlocked
the
creativity
to
rethink
those
as
not
being
as
static
and
linear
and
opaque.
And
you
know
and
paper-based-
and
you
know,
as
you
know
as
they
are,
I
think
I
think
we're
you
know.
B
You
know
today
I
hold
my
physical
driver's
license.
Next
to
my
millimeters
away
from
my
physical
cash
in
the
wallet
in
my
pocket
right
in
the
digital
world.
I
need
to
be.
You
know
I
need
to
have
that
linkage
between
an
effective
self
self-managed
digital
identity
on
indian
aries.
You
know
tightly
coupled
with
my
ability
to
hold
tokenized
assets
right
and
those
that
all
have
to
hang
together,
and
so
you
know,
I
think,
we've
got
every
bit
of
tailwind
behind
us
at
this
point.
B
B
I
don't
mean
to
diminish
the
the
the
you
know,
the
the
tremendous
amount
of
suffering
that's
come
along
with
this,
but
you
know,
but
the
you
know
the
good
that
that
can
arise
from
the
motivations
to
be
able
to
have
more
flexible
supply
chains
to
actually
modernize
our
digital
world,
not
just
electronify
it
and
really
rethink
the
the
you
know
how
companies
and
business
flows
and
entire
ecosystems
could
work
together
differently.
I
think
it's
been,
I
think,
ultimately,
as
we
look
back,
this
will
be
a
huge
boon
for
this
wave
of
innovation.
C
Thank
you
david
another
question
and
I
I'd
love
to
answer.
Our
questions
live
as
much
as
possible,
so
we
can,
or
we
can,
you
know,
address
what
people
are
interested
and
so
there's
a
question
from
deepak
that
came
in
about
job
roles
and
hyper
ledger
opportunities
and
the
skill
set.
So
I
guess
for
all
the
developers
out
there
and
business
people
out
there
who
are
interested
to
get
involved
with
hyperledger.
D
So
I
mean
brian
can
speak
to
any
potential
hiring
he
may
be
doing,
but
in
terms
of
the
community
there's
all
manner
of
opportunity.
You
know.
Certainly
the
open
source
projects
themselves
are
always
looking
for
people
to
come
and
start.
You
know
contributing
whether
it's
fixing
bugs
or
you
know,
even
just
helping
to
spell
check
and
grammar
check
the
documentation,
there's
translation
opportunities,
because
many
of
the
projects
are
just
embarking
on
their
journey
to
to
translate
their
documentation
into
other
languages.
D
I
think
the
the
community
is
always
looking
for
somebody
to
help
promote
hyperledger
at
these.
You
know
the
many
events
and
then
there's
a
number
of
working
groups
and
and
sigs
that
are
run
by
hyperledger
that
are
focused
either
on
a
specific
industry
or
a
specific
vertical,
and
so
you
know,
there's
opportunity
to
come
and
engage
in
those
and
and
sort
of
share
ideas
and
thinking
about
application
of
blockchain
technologies
in
various
industries,
so
tons
and
tons
of
opportunity.
D
C
C
You
can
really
you
know,
transparency
in
a
distribution
of
financial
aid
or
help
with
help
with
distribution
of
vaccine
and
ensure
that
there
is
no
counterfeit
vaccine,
and
so
you
can
really
take
up.
In
my
opinion,
those
skill
sets
and
understanding
of
hyperledger
technologies
and
applies
them
to
really
meaningful
causes,
and
you
know
working
with
all
the
companies
that
are
present
here
on
this
call,
but
also
beyond
working
for
many
of
the
members
as
well
as
just
consortium
as
it
is
using
hyperledger
technologies.
A
I'll
throw
out
that
it
was
only
in
january
that
linkedin
published
its
list
of
skills
in
highest
demand,
based
on
the
the
resumes
that
they
see
and
blockchain
was
at
the
top
of
that
list,
and
I
don't
think
much
has
changed
due
to
the
pandemic.
I
I
do
think
just
to
like
go
back
to
that
earlier
thread.
It
has
certainly
made
you
know,
slashed
budgets,
especially
around
r
d,
and
a
lot
of
deployment
of
blockchain
projects
from
scratch,
do
involve
a
leap
of
faith
and
coordinating.
A
Companies
like
cargill
and
walmart
and
that
sort
of
thing,
but
it's
really
hard
to
measure,
but
one
way
to
measure
it
is
that
that
demand
in
the
job
set
and
so
in
the
in
the
skill
set.
So
that
was
an
interesting
reference
point
and
we've
seen
as
some
folks
know.
We
have
a
training
and
certification
program
for
administrators
and
developers
on
hyperledger
fabric
and
also
a
lot
of
training,
materials
for
indie
and
aries
and
and
some
of
the
other
things.
But
the
certification
thing
has
been
a
pretty
popular
course.
A
I
I
and
we're
in
the
process
of
updating
that
for
fabric
too,
so
it's
a
little
behind
the
the
curve
there.
But
but
that's
been
something
that's
surprising
to
us.
But
in
retrospect,
perhaps
not
really
is
people
do
want
to
become
expert
in
this
domain,
and
I
think
it
does
require
a
unique
set
of
skills
in
the
same
way
that
sql
databases
when
they
came
out
required
people
to
learn
how
to
design
their
their
database
tables,
and
there
was
that
was
as
different
from
what
came
before.
A
As
I
think
blockchain
technology
and
designing
these
blockchain
networks.
The
right
way
to
use
chain
code,
the
right
would
use
other
kinds
of
smart
contracts
and
design
the
the
the
the
the
topology
of
the
network.
That's
that's
an
emerging
skill
set,
that's
in
in
pretty
high
demand
and
certainly
encourage
folks
to
take
a
look
at
that.
B
Yeah,
maybe
if
I
just
pile
on
with
one
more
thought,
the
the
I
I
have
found
this
particular
innovation,
wave
of
innovation
and
technology
of
the
set,
as
being
you
as
being
you're,
one
of
the
best
examples
where,
if
you're
a
deep,
technologist
you're
a
developer,
engineer
architect
needing
to
understand
the
strategic
relevance
of
the
use
cases
to
where
it
applies,
is
critically
important.
And,
conversely,
if
you're
the
business
strategist,
you
know
you
know
analyst
type.
B
If
you
don't
really
understand
the
technology,
you
know
this
is
one
of
those
ones
where
you
know.
This
is
one
of
those
spaces
where
you
really
have
to
have
that
well-rounded
view,
and,
and
and
we've
done,
I
think
the
hyperledger
community
has
done
just
an
amazing
job
over
the
past
five
years
of
you
know
of
really
zeroing
in
on
valuable
application
of
the
technology.
B
Amidst
some
of
the
you
know,
the
wider
community,
you
know
running
around,
you
know
with
you
know,
block
change
the
answer.
What's
the
question
right
and
you
know,
and
and
viewing
it
as
a
panacea,
rather
than
one
of
you
know,
one
architecture
or
a
collection
of
architectural
patterns
that
address
a
a
core,
fundamental
need
and
change
of
how
the
digital
world
is
evolving,
and
you
know,
and
then-
and
you
know
what
that
means
right:
the
the
meaning
of
getting
companies
rethinking
their
silo
based
infrastructures
and
architectures
and
message.
B
You
know
messaging
and
reconciliation-based
business
models
and
and
what?
What
the?
What
shared
data
infrastructures
and
what
tokenization
actually
mean.
You
know
if
you're
thinking
about
how
to
develop
a
career
in
this
space,
you
know
I
couldn't
encourage
you
more,
you
know,
do
it
in
a
well-rounded
fashion,
right
if
you're
a
technologist,
an
engineer
at
heart,
really
understand
the
strategic
importance
and
re
in
context,
and
vice
versa.
E
With
that
and
sort
of
going
back
to
the
sort
of
looking
five
years
ago
versus
where
we
are
today
five
years
ago,
there
was
a
massive
chasm.
There
was,
you
know,
some
people
could
explain
the
technology,
some
people
understood
the
business,
but
they
would
go
and
talk
to
each
other
in
meetings
and
and
they
were
just
speaking,
different
languages
about
how
you
know
how
these
things
work.
What
the
business
objectives
are,
how
they're
trying
to
achieve
so
I'd
say:
that's
been
closed,
a
lot.
B
Sure
you
know,
and
actually
I'm
looking
at
the
q
and
a
kyle
smith
asked
a
question
about
or
book
british
columbia.
You
know,
that's
that's
a
great
example.
I'm
gonna,
you
know
john
john
jordan
and
team
in
canada.
You
know
have
done
a
great
job
of
really
rethinking
the
whole
notion
of
you
know.
Of
of
the
whole,
you
know
governmental
processes
around
setting,
you
know
setting
up
new
businesses
and
understanding
and
that
that
you
know
that
structure
of
incorporation
etc.
B
I
don't
know
it
deeply
enough
to
go
into
the
details,
but
I
know
it's
pretty
it's
you.
It's
pretty.
You
know
it's
a
pretty
great
use
case
and
some
and
some
great
work
and
jordan's
obviously
been
you
know
incredibly
active
in
our
community
and
team.
So
you
know
I'd.
Certainly
answer
that
question
with
a
you
know
that
I
think
that's
a
great
example.
You
know
I
talked
earlier
around
about
nippon
express.
B
B
The
countries
of
canada
and
netherlands
skipper
airport
toronto,
montreal
airport
klm,
airlines
near
canada
and
it's
the
whole
it's
applying
indy
and
the
whole
notion
of
self-managed
identity
to
be
able
to
facilitate,
in
its
first
instance
the
border
crossing
process
and,
and
the
reason
I
like
it,
you
know
not
with
not
notwithstanding.
You
know
the
fact
that
we're
not
traveling
very
much
right
now,
but
the
that
notion
of
having
that
highest
level
agreement
at
a
governmental
level
that
this
kind
of
verifiable
credential
is
sufficient
to
be
able
to
cross
a
border.
B
As
as
one
of
the
more
intense
identity
you
know,
checking
moments
is,
is
great
unto
itself
in
the
night
and
when
you
know
once
it's
out
there
and
once
it's
everywhere
and
it,
and
we
can
just
cruise
through
the
immigration
and
border
control
process.
That's
great,
but
it's
more
that
it's
more
also
or
it's
also.
What
can
then
gets
built
on
top
of
that
right.
So
in
the
in
the
mix
and
the
discussions
are
hotels
and
banks-
and
you
know,
and
and
other
you
know
the
entirety
of
our
experiences.
B
That's
how
we
cross
the
chasm
from
what,
on
the
face
of
it,
would
look
like
a
gargantuan
effort
to
say:
let's
redefine,
you
know,
digital
identity
for
the
world
right,
it's
it's
going
to
be
done
in
these
very
useful.
You
know
useful
valuable
business
case,
contexts
on
islands
of
implementation,
that'll
get
bridged
between.
You
know,
bridge
together
time.
You
know
over
over
and
over
again.
So
you
know,
maybe
I
thought
throughout
that
one.
I
talked
about
nippon
express
with
fabric
and
supply
chain.
You
know
we.
B
We
did
some
early
work
with
sawtooth
with
the
television
stock
exchange.
I
think
you
know
put
part
part
of
who
we
are
right.
We're
we're
not
a
we're,
not
a
we're,
not
a
a
product
or
platform
company,
we're
a
services
company.
So
we've.
You
know
we
always
value
having
that
that
hands-on
direct
engineering,
engineering,
team
access
and
experience
with
all
of
the
leading
platforms,
and
so
we've
we've
tried.
You
know,
we've.
B
I
think
we've
used
all
used
all
of
the
projects,
if
not
all
of
them-
and
you
know
and
and
have
benefited
and
valued
that
experience
and
having
the
the
different
different
platforms
for
different
contexts.
I'll
stop
there.
We,
you
know,
there's
a
long
list,
that's
been
it's
a
great
ride.
Applying
these
projects
with
our
clients,
yeah.
E
I
think
it's
it's
it's
kind
of
funny
how
you
know
new
technologies.
They
tend
to
be
adopted
by
startups.
First
and
enterprises
are
kind
of
the
laggards
like
with
with
cloud
and
other
technologies,
but
then
from
high
pleasure
from
day
one.
You
know
with
david's
talking
about
governments,
tay's
stock
exchange
with
blockchain
technology
partners
on
sawtooth
as
well,
and
then
cbdc's
right,
central
banks
just
five
years
in
from
from
you
know
what
was
sort
of
poc.
E
You
know
nuggets
of
technology
back
five
years
ago
to
being
actually
live
with
project
back
home
out
in
cambodia,
so
it
was
a
great
webinar
a
couple
of
days
ago
with
makoto
from
soromitsu,
so
so
in
cambodia.
They
are
actually
live
today
with
a
mobile
app
that
anyone
can
use
to
transfer
central
bid,
central
bank,
digital
currencies
or
stumble
on
that
one
peer-to-peer
basis.
E
So
I
think,
for
you
know
what
was
a
five
years
seems
like
a
long
long
time,
but
you
know
we're
not
in
startup
land,
where
you
can
build
an
mvp
in
six
months
and
get
it
out
there
and
iterate
we're
talking
about
core
mission
critical
systems
here
and
to
go
from
next
to
xero.
To
live
in
production
at
a
central
bank
is
incredible.
D
I
I
mean
you
know:
ibm's
got
a
number
of
projects.
I
think
the
most
notable
ones
would
be
like
the
the
food
trust
network
that
we
partnered
with
walmart
and
kroger,
and
a
a
number
of
cara
four
and
others
that's
in
production
and
it's
you
know
we
keep
adding
new
food
stuffs
to
the
to
the
network.
I
think
the
most
recent
one
was:
oh,
my
god,
just.
D
I
just
I
just
tweeted
this
morning
was
you
know,
tracing
the
province
of
olive
oil,
which
is
actually
one
of
the
most
contentious
articles
that
you
can
find
in
the
supermarket,
because
a
lot
of
it
isn't
really
virgin
some
of
it's,
not
even
olive
oil,
so
scary
stuff,
but
so
the
the
food
trust,
I
think
was
you
know,
probably
the
one
of
the
first
ones
and
then
also
the
the
trade
lens
initiative
that
ibm
partnered
with
maersk.
That
is,
you
know,
really
sort
of
growing
up.
D
These
are
in
production
and
they
keep
growing
and
adding
new
members
new
ports
of
call
and
so
forth
to
the
network,
and
I
think
that
you
know
again
the
the
it's
not
so
much
a
technology
problem
that
you
know
the
technology
is
production
grade.
I
mean
you
know,
regardless
which
project
you're
looking
at
whether
it's
bay
su
or
fabric
or
or
or
india,
or
what
have
you
this
is
production
grade
technology,
but
it's
the
building
of
these
networks,
the
developing
the
governance
model,
for
how
are
we
going
to
agree
on?
D
What's
the
chain
code
cutter?
What's
the
smart
contract
that
we're
going
to
to
use
you
know
what
what
means
of
identity?
Are
we
going
to
choose
to
be
able
to
confirm
that
you
know
we
are
who
we
say
we
are
and
so
forth.
That
piece
of
the
puzzle
is
the
hardest
part.
Getting
in
many
cases
comp,
you
know
fierce
competitors
to
collaborate
with
one
another
in
developing.
One
of
these
networks
is,
is
sometimes
the
hardest
the
hardest
part,
and
so
so
that
work
on
goes,
but
I
mean
we
have.
D
I
think
we,
as
I
mentioned,
we've
come
up
with
a
number
of
different
sort
of
patterns
that
really
work
effectively.
So
you
think
about
what
trade
lens
is
it's
about
moving
shipping
documents
from
one
port
of
call
to
the
other
and
ensuring
that
nothing
has
changed.
So
we
can
check
the
that
everything
that's
in
the
shipping
containers
is
what
was
was
shipped
from
the
other
port.
That's
really
a
document
management
problem
right
and,
and
so
it
so
what
other
applications?
D
F
D
I
think
I
think
what
we're
seeing
is
you
know
increasingly
taking
those
patterns
and
applying
them
in
different
kinds
of
supply.
Chain
management-
and
you
know,
know
your
supplier.
Kind
of
a
thing
is:
is
now
another
one
of
those
patterns,
one
of
those
solutions.
I
think
it's
ibm
calls
it
a
trusted
supplier
right,
and
so
it's
really
about
understanding
who
is
in
your
supply
chain
and
are
you
dealing
with
you
know
a
trusted
supplier
or
provider
of
your
goods?
So
you
know,
I
think
again,
it's
not
so
much.
D
You
know
art.
Do
we
see
these
things
in
product?
Yes,
we
do.
I
think
you
know
the
real
challenge
going
forward,
as
david
said
is
how
do
you
sort
of
pull
these
things
together
and
that's
that
oftentimes
is
the
hardest
part?
It's
not
a
technology
problem,
and
in
fact
you
know
we
I
like
to
say
you
know.
Sort
of
blockchain
is
typically
about
20
percent
of
the
solution.
David
knows
this
very
well.
D
B
That
is
the
there's
a
funny
moment
right
in
any
one
of
these
big
transformation
programs,
where
you
have
a
big,
you
have
a
big
big
room.
Full
of
of
you
know
of
stakeholders,
and
some
engineer
from
here
some
architect
from
the
back
of
the
room
will
be,
you
know,
raise
their
hand
as
you're
putting
up
the
whole
reference
architecture.
I
thought
this
was
a
blockchain
project
like
yeah.
It's
this
corner
down
here
of
the
of
the
architecture,
diagram
still
gonna,
build
everything
else.
B
C
Well
and
one
project-
that's
already
in
production
that
I
could
mention
from
our
experience-
was
a
team
at
intellect
to
use.
It
were
built
in
partnership
with
financial
institution
and
local
belgian
governments,
like
city
governments,
on
the
loyalty
side
and
incentivizing
behavior
like
whether
it's
recycling
or
taking
your
bike
instead
of
a
car
to
take
kids
to
school
or
for
them
to
go
to
school.
So
I
definitely
feel
that
there
is
significantly
more
project
out
there,
and
I
completely
agree
with
you
david.
C
That
you
know
also,
like
governance,
is
a
big
question
like
and
willingness
to
willingness
to,
implement
and
change
all
those
business
models,
and
very
often
you
know,
blockchain
is
only
like
five
percent
and
not
even
you
know
a
challenge
you
can
just
implement
it,
but
building
everything
else
around
it.
It's
really
important.
C
Right
but
then
it's
like
that
total
snow
snowball
effect
right.
Everything
else
is
changed
for
those
five
percent
to
come
into
play.
So
we
have
a
few
minutes
left
and
I
would
really
love
to
hear
your
thoughts
and
predictions
for
the
future
like
what
are
the
next
five
years
of
hyperledger
going
to
look
like
who
would
like
to
start.
B
I'm
happy
to
kick
it
off
we
and
maybe
maybe
in
a
wider
context
right.
I
think
the
if
you
look
if
you
look
at
our
membership
roster
and
the
other
related
important
communities
that
have
joined
and
been
part
of
this
you
know,
and
and
even
across
the
linux
family
right,
the
you
know
the
the
other
linux
projects
that
you
know
that
that
relate.
You
know
that
relate
to
this.
You
know,
I'm
thinking,
finnos,
I'm
thinking
you
know,
you
know
you
know,
etc.
B
I
I
think
the
whole
notion
in
the
next
period
is
going
to
be
you.
The
the
killer
use
case
is
really
scaling
in
production
and-
and
you
know,
and
we've
talked
about
a
number
of
them
here,
whether
it's
you
know
whether
it's
you
know
supply
chain,
digital
identity,
financial
infrastructure,
central
bank,
digital
currency,
you
know
et
cetera,
the
the
you
know.
B
The
dialogues
there
have
have
shifted
so
that
they're
about
the
use
case
and
the
value
case
and
oh
by
the
way
they're
underpinned
by
blockchain
right,
is
the
you
know
and
and
it'll
and
and
when
we
do
our
jobs
right
in
the
in
the
public
domain.
You
don't
really
know
right
or
the
end
users.
Don't
really
know
that.
B
So
our
ability,
I
think,
to
to
continue
to
support
that
with
that
with
the
foundation
layer
of
of
you
know
of
capability
is
obviously
crucial
and
our
ability
to
to
tie
tie
in
directly
to
that
to
that
value
and
outcome
basis
and
continue
to
expand
the
ability
to
convene
right
the
public-private
partnerships,
the
convening
capability
to
rally
around
that
to
give
the
feedback
loop
to
the
developer
and
architect
community
around.
What's
really
useful
and
helpful,
and
you
know
propels
those
use
cases
forward.
B
That's
how
we'll
win
you
know
our
store,
you
know,
wins,
probably
the
wrong
term.
That's
you
know,
that's
how
we'll
thrive
and
grow,
and
you
know
and
see
this
technology
really
take
root.
The
the
other
interesting
dynamic
to
that
is
the
is
the
I
give
a
lot
of
thought
to
this.
I
mean
you
know
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
the
startup
community
and
their
their
entry
point
into
the
infrastructure
that
they
build.
B
Assumes
these
things
right
as
they
you
know,
they're
born
in
the
cloud
they're
born
and
you
know,
born
in
the
construct
of
tokenization,
and
you
know,
rethinking
identity
and
and
the
like,
and
it's
the
you
know,
it's
the
you
know
it's
the
modernization
of
existing
corporate
enterprise
government
structures.
That's
you
know
that
that
is
you
know
it's
a
huge
you
know
is
the
huge
coal
face
that
we
have
to
continue
to
hack
away
at
you
know,
our
engagement
in
both
of
those
communities
create
some
interesting
dynamics.
B
Where
you
know
the
the
new
entrants,
may
you
know,
will
race
ahead
and
will
grow
fast,
as
as
happens
in
the
in
this
digital
era
and
the
degree
to
which
you
know
the
existing
emphasis.
Existing
players
can
modernize
quickly.
That
dynamic,
I
think,
is
also
going
to
be
important
for
us,
as
we
think
think
think,
ahead.
Around
building
really
useful
engaging
capabilities.
C
E
Just
to
tie
it
into
that
last
question
super
quickly.
I
think
you
know
going
forward
we're
going
to
continue
to
see
the
componentization
that
that
chris
and
brian
mentioned
earlier,
both
within
hyperledger
with
pulling
out
projects
to
become
more
modular
and
be
able
to
integrate
with
each
of
those
and
from
the
customer
point
of
view
being
able
to
pick,
you
know,
sort
of
best
of
breed
for
each
different
layer
of
the
stack
and
back
when
we
started.
E
We
didn't
even
know
where
those
boundaries
were
for
each
of
those
modules,
let
alone
how
to
define
those
those
interfaces.
But
right
now
we're
starting
to
see.
You
know
that
modularization
within
hyperledger
and
as
well
as
external
integrations
that
david
mentioned,
potentially
with
projects
in
finos
with
damold,
which
is
an
open
source.
Smart
contract
language
created
by
digital
asset
we've
integrated
that
with
hyperledger
fabric
hyperledger,
sawtooth
and
hyperledger
bay
zoo.
E
I
know
there's
integrations
with
with
other
projects
external
to
to
hyperledger
as
well,
so
the
more
componentization
and
modularization
we
get,
I
think,
will
the
more
will
start
to
look
less
like
a
monolithic
competition
between
high
pleasure
fabric
or
ethereum,
or
that
you
know
quarter
and
more
of
a
you
know
like
most
traditional
software
stacks
in
production.
Today,
companies
focusing
on
on
different
elements
of
that
stack
and
giving
an
overall
better
experience
to
to
customers
and
accelerating
their
production
journey.
D
You
know,
I'm
thinking
of
I
met
with
the
team
from
visa,
and
you
know
it
used
to
be
that
the
the
saying
was:
oh,
they
do
25
000
transactions,
a
second
that
was
actually
their
benchmark
for
their
testing
and
the
gentleman
in
the
back
of
the
room.
When
I
was
doing
a
briefing
there
was
said,
no,
that's
my
job
and
it's
actually
75
000
transactions.
A
second
sustained
over
a
period
of
at
least
two
hours,
that's
their
benchmark
for
what
they
have
to
be
able
to
deliver.
We're.
D
Oh
my
god,
you
know
it
just
gets
a
little
bit
nutty
and
so
I
think
much
like
the
sort
of
the
data
in
ai
space.
I
think
there
will
be
you
know.
Continued
innovation
continue
looking
at
different
approaches,
whether
it's
to
consensus,
you
know
whether
it's
to
you
know
smart
contracts
with
you
know,
modules
like
danville
and
so
forth.
Simplifying
the
approach
of
how
do
you
write
these
smart
contracts.
Now
the
demo
goes
a
long
ways
towards
that.
D
But
again
I
think
with
that,
as
with
date
and
a
we're
just
going
to
continue
to
see
more
and
more
innovation
to
make
it
easier
for
people
to
integrate
blockchain
into
their
solutions
and
for
us
to
interconnect
these
things.
But
that's
going
to
take
a
continued.
You
know
focus
on
improving
performance
and
throughput
and
scale
and
so
forth,
and
so
you
know
we
have.
A
For
sure,
all
of
all
of
what's
been
said
so
far,
you
know
I,
my
personal
goal
is
to
see
hyperledger
set
up
not
as
a
five
or
ten
year
type
of
open
source
project,
but
about
a
40
or
50
year.
One
the
linux
kernel
is
next
year,
will
turn
30
years
old,
tcp
ip
as
a
standard
is
gosh,
it's
probably
50
years
old.
A
At
this
point
I
forget
exactly
when
the
the
first
kind
of
packet
started
flying,
but
I
believe
it
was
the
early
70s,
if
not
late,
60s,
so
blockchain
technology
before
industries
as
a
whole
to
be
able
to
trust
it
and
be
able
to
move
core
processes
to
it.
They've
got
to
know
that
it's
going
to
be
there
tomorrow
in
the
year
in
10
years.
A
You
know
we
don't
have
to
talk
about
the
legacy
mainframe
still
running
in
some
places
to
know
that
technology
cycles
in
in
what
we're
proposing
are
incredibly
long,
and
we
have
to
be
here
for
the
long
term,
and
so
that's
what
we've
been.
I
I
hope,
is
establishing
a
culture
and
an
infrastructure
around
and-
and
you
know
that
individual
pieces
will
evolve
over
time,
but
we've
got
to
be
here
for
the
long
term,
and
that
was
solid
foundation
for
that.
A
And
then
I
do
sincerely
hope
that
we
can
start
to
permeate
other
linux
foundation
projects
spin
up
new
ones
that
that
that
connect
very
closely
that
serve
as
feeders
for
new
code
in
the
hyperledger,
but
also
help
tackle
some
of
these
adjacent
challenges
in
domain
specific
ways
that
that
blockchain
is
really
well
suited
to
try
to
tackle.
So
I'm
incredibly
optimistic
optimistic.