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From YouTube: IoT and blockchain to facilitate the scaling of green technologies in rural communities
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A recording of the Hyperledger Climate Action and Accounting Special Interest Group meeting on June 15, 2021 featuring Veronica Garcia-Heller, Founder and CEO of Bitlumens and Kamlesh Nagware, CTO of Snapper Future Tech. Bitlumens facilitates the scaling of renewable technologies using a last generation smart meter and the blockchain. We do this by working with PV mini grids in rural areas with intermittent or no access to electricity. Our main market is India because the digitalization of the energy sector is happening fast and is being backed by the government. This provides a good test ground for the application of carbon budgeting and trading. Our platform combines Internet of Things (IoT) and the blockchain, where we provide security, verification and traceability of data. Through survey and IoT data we provide a credit score and a carbon credit to each household. These calculations are stored on chain to be accessed by permissioned stakeholders. We believe that the involvement of stakeholders in carbon reduction from the very beginning of a project fosters investment flows towards renewable generation in rural communities.
To get involved in the Climate Action and Accounting SIG, learn more at: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/CASIG/
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A
Live
stream
here:
okay,
okay,
we're
live
now,
fantastic;
okay,
yes,
so
welcome!
I'm
just
going
to
run
through
a
couple
different
housekeeping
things,
just
a
reminder
that
here
at
hyperledger
in
the
community,
we
follow
an
anti-trust
policy,
there's
a
notice
in
the
link
in
the
meeting
description.
If
anybody
wants
to
take
a
look
at
it,
we
also
follow
the
hyper
ledger
code
of
conduct.
So
keep
keep
that
in
mind.
There's
always
a
link
for
that
as
well.
A
If
you
want
to
learn
more
about
that,
I
want
to
take
a
quick
moment.
We
have
a
great
speaker
this
evening
or
the
this
afternoon
or
this
morning
or
wherever
you
are,
but
before
I
introduce
her,
I
wanted
to
introduce
any
given
opportunity
for
any
new
members
to
to
introduce
themselves
any
anybody
that
we
might
have
on
the
call.
C
C
There
I
can
introduce
myself,
I'm
joshua
breunig.
I
work
with
essentially
a
non-profit
organization,
a
conservation
organization.
We
are
developing
a
new
project
that
involves
the
climate
crisis
and
the
blockchain,
and
we
are
trying
to
find
how
to
integrate
this,
the
the
most
effective
way.
So
I
just
kind
of
came
across
this
on
some
some
things
looking
into
the
blockchain
and
think
it
it
might.
I
mean
everything's
good
information,
so
I'm
excited
to
be
here
and
learn
more,
maybe
see
what
we
can.
We
can
do
to
work
together,
possibly.
A
Absolutely
yeah
thank
you
for
thank
you
for
joining
just
just
to
kind
of
give
everybody
who's
new.
It's
a
good
idea.
We
have
a
getting
started
page
that
kind
of
walks
through
some
of
our
recommendations
for
getting
involved
with
community
and
some
of
the
different
resources
we
have.
So
you
know
we
hope
to
be
a
good
resource
to
you
and
and
and
hope
to
learn
from
you
as
well.
Are
there
any
other
anybody
else
on
the
call.
C
A
Fantastic,
okay,
great
well
I'll,
go
ahead
and
quickly
a
quick
introduction
to
veronica
garcia.
I
was
kind
of
really
interested
to
see
she
had
a
really
quite
an
interesting
journey
and
and
she's
she's,
currently
working
on
a
really
interesting
project.
She
originated
with
doing
investment,
consulting
at
credit,
suisse
and
ubs,
and
then
she
she
started
working
at
ibm,
research
lab
which,
which
many
of
us
are
familiar
with
she's,
also
worked
as
a
consultant
for
the
world
bank,
iadb
and
castelia.
B
B
The
idea
of
bringing
this
smart
meter
is
to
connect
it
at
the
solar
plant.
So
it's
a
master
meter,
but
it's
also
a
slave
type
of
meter,
where
we
can
send
information
on
generation
and
consumption
and
allow
for
demand
management,
meaning
users
can
get
access
to
you
know
what
is
their
consumption,
so
they
will
get
an
sms
and
understand
how
much
they
are
going
to
pay
in
the
next
week.
B
So
these
two
variables
are
extremely
important
because
in
areas
that
don't
have
these
type
of
smart
metering
devices,
if
you
have
a,
for
instance,
one
or
two
nodes
that
go
above
their
load
limit,
there
is
also
a
risk
of
of
a
blackout
in
the
whole
grid.
So
what
we
are
trying
to
do
is
really
bring
these
smart
meter
devices
mainly
to
avoid
sending
agents
all
the
time
into
the
ground
and
to
check
what
is
wrong
and
which
household
was
provoking.
This
type
of.
B
C
B
B
C
B
We
are
okay:
okay,
okay,
perfect!
Okay!
If
you
don't
hear
me,
please
write
me
something
on
the
chat,
because
at
one
point
I
got
frozen
but
anyway.
So
what?
What
I
was
saying
is
that
part
of
this
information
goes
into
the
the
blockchain.
We
are
using
hyper,
ledger,
2.2
and
then
part
of
it
will
go
into
the
cloud
and
I
will
explain
what
goes
on
the
chain
and
what
we
have
decided
to
go
in
the
in
the
cloud.
B
So
the
clean
energy
access
market,
according
to
the
world
bank,
is
more
than
220
billion
of
investments
that
it's
going
to
be
deployed
into
more
or
less
two
hundred
and
ten
thousand
mini
grids
worldwide,
hopefully
serving
the
22
percent
of
the
world
population,
but
lack
of
electricity
access.
Apparently
the
community
and
the
cumulative
rate
average
rate
of
return
is
more
than
nine
percent.
B
So
I
think
there
is
a
very
good
use
case
for
businesses
to
enter
into
this
type
of
sector
when
it
comes
to
what
is
going
on
on
the
blockchain.
I
want
to
introduce
this
particular
example
where
we
have
the
smart
meter
data,
mainly
consumption,
and
we
also
have
the
payment
management
system
included
in
there,
meaning
we
manage,
for
instance,
the
bills
of
the
users,
so
this
is,
of
course,
share
with
the
user
and
share
with
the
power
plant.
B
As
I
mentioned
before,
after
the
calculation
in
the
blockchain
takes
place,
we
have
a
third-party
partner
that
is
going
to
certify
this
type
of
of
calculation
and
and
provide
later
on
the
verification
of
it.
So
then
we
can
actually
tokenize
this.
The
idea
is
that
this
should
be.
We
should
be
able
to
do
this
for
all
the
decentralized
energy
sources
that
are
going
to
come
into
play
into
the
energy
market
in
the
future.
B
The
same
applies
for
industrial
agriculture,
where
you
can
have
sensors
in
place.
Sending
data
to
it
could
be
either
the
blockchain
or
the
cloud
where
we
can
actually
also
certify
that,
for
instance,
those
communities
are
producing
something
and
then
in
within
this
trade
trace
the
whole
thing
in
the
supply
chain,
so
the
whole
production
will
be
on
chain
and
then
for
houses.
Is
the
use
case
I
just
described
before
mainly
for
the
the
smart
metering
device?
B
I
want
to
mention
here
that
the
the
smart
meter
that
we
had
created
we
had
also
included
our
own
lora
network,
and
the
lora
network
is
sending
information
the
limit
of
of
sending
data
it's
a
little
higher
than
with
the
public
one.
So
then,
the
idea
is
to
send
everything
all
the
the
data
is
in
bulk
in
the
gateway
and
then
from
the
gateways
and
to
the
to
the
blockchain
in
the
future.
B
So
here
that
we
have
the
map
that
I
was
mentioning
before
and
we
are
currently
focusing
in
places
like
india
or
mexico,
where
we
are
planning
to
start
some
pilots
this
year
and
for
that
reason
we
want
to
really
focus
on
on
irex,
so
the
carbon
tax
scheme
is
is
increasing
over
time.
As
we
see
in
this
map,
there
are
64
different
carbon
taxes
and
ets
in
operations
to
us.
B
It's
really
important
to
be
in
this
sector,
because
we
do
believe
that
carbon
pricing
is
going
to
increase
over
time
our
carbon
budget.
You
know
we,
we
have
a
carbon
budget
to
really
you
know
minimize
within
10
to
15
years,
so
I
do
believe
new
technologies
would
have
to
really
take
over
existing
technologies,
and
this
could
create
a
negative
supply
shock
because
the
existing
technologies
would
have
to
be
taken
out
of
the
economy
before
they
finalize
their
their
living
period.
B
So
you
know
for
me,
it's
it's
extremely
important
to
bring
these
smart
metering
devices
and
and
to
tackle
how
we
can
minimize
these
carbon
emissions
and
how
we
can
bring
transparency
into
the
sector
with
the
aim
of
yes,
climate
disclosures.
But
at
the
end,
we
need
investments
into
this,
this
type
of
technologies.
B
So
this
is
something
I
showed
before.
I
will
not
get
into
it,
but
this
is
an
example
of
a
platform
that
we
have
created
where
this
part
here,
the
carbon
mitigation
calculation,
it's
on
kilograms
per
megawatt
hour,
is
actually
running
on
on
hyper
ledger
fabric.
The
idea
of
this
is
to
really
provide
the
calculation
to
the
certifying
authority
and
then
later
on,
be
able
to
tokenize
it
and
enter
into
the
marketplace
gamlesh.
I
will
let
you
take
over
for
the
next
four
slides.
Please
go
ahead.
C
There
could
be
agent
and
that
could
be
directly
via
package
or
maybe
some
via
some
kind
of
credit
transfer,
and
all
this
we
are
recording
on
the
fabric
and
even
the
details
about
the
consumer
like
their
their
gdp,
their
economy
and
what
kind
of
electricity
consumer
they
are
like
before
they
are
using
the
kerosene.
There
is
the
normal
electricity
all
we
are
recording
and
in
the
diagram
another
different
stakeholder,
which
is
could
be
part
life.
C
C
Okay,
and
this
is
the
hyperlink
fabric
architecture.
So
currently
we
set
up
with
the
two
organization,
and
currently
it's
belong
to
the
bitcoin.
So
whenever
the
any
microwave
provider
want
there
on
node,
this
node
can
be
added,
and
these
are
three
raft.
Node
services
and
running
on
the
fabric,
2.2
and
fabric
certificate
authority
being
used
to
clear
the
certificate
and
credential
for
this
complete
fabric
structure,
and
there
are
three
different
smart
contract.
C
So
to
this,
one
and
credit
is
very
important
to
calculate
the
carbon
emission
and
carbon
offset
credit
for
the
energy
consumption,
and
this
is
the
this
is
the
next
part
we
are
thinking
so
like
we
recorded
all
the
energy
consumption
and
the
carbon
offset.
The
next
part
is
to
to
calculate
the
token,
and
we
are
thinking
to
create
the
erc20
token
and
maybe
layer,
two
ethereum
network,
or
maybe
we
can
like,
because
now
fabric
also
support
the
token
standards
in
the
fabric
itself.
C
So
maybe
we
can
consider
to
use
that
fabric
token
sdk,
which
is
recently
controlled
by
ibm.
So
here
we
will
consume
the
carbon
offset
and
energy
consumption
data
recorded
on
the
fabric
laser
and
create
the
meant
the
token
and
then
token
could
be
available
to
buy
and
reading
from
the
bitumen
platform.
So
we
are
not
going
to
list
on
the
tokens
on
the
some
kind
of
cryptocurrency
exchange.
B
I
want
to
mention
an
important
piece
in
here
that
I
think
it's
a
very
interesting
use
case
right.
So
when
you
I
mean
nowadays,
we
could
have
different
smes.
A
conglomerate
of
smes
that
get
together
and
try
to
mitigate
carbon
emissions
over
time
get
a
token
and
also
issue,
let's
say
a
bond
on
the
blockchain,
and
this
bond
can
actually
so
one
could
pay
for
the
coupon
either
in
fiat
currency
or
with
the
with
the
token
itself.
B
I
think
this
is
something
that
that
we
are
going
to
look
at
in
the
future,
because
it
follows
very
much
what
we
have
seen
in
brazil,
for
instance
with
the
forestry
type
of
bonds,
or
you
know,
with
the
the
green
bond
system
that
I
think
it's
extremely
complex
to
follow
because
of
the
reporting
that
that
it
needs.
But
then,
if
you
have
certain
smes,
really
small
companies
that
get
together
and
try
to
issue
a
bond
on
chain
and
then
the
coupon
can
be
paid
with
these
tokens.
B
B
Since
we
know
when
the
meter
is
locked
and
unlocked,
we
also
see
the
payment
patterns,
and
this
is
important
mainly
in
rural
communities,
because
there
is
not
enough
data.
I
mean
most
of
these
users-
don't
really
get
any
type
of
financial
track
record,
so
the
idea
would
really
be
to
provide
them
with
this
type
of
certification,
which
is
kyc
payment
data,
and
when
is
the
smart
meter
locked
and
unlocked.
So
these
communities
might
not
have
a
cell
phone
to
have
an
identity
right
running
on
the
chain,
but
they
have
a
smart
meter.
B
So
then,
with
dust
smart
meter
in
a
particular
idea,
but
on
the
smart
meter
that
is
also
on
the
blockchain.
We
can
provide
these
users
with
somehow
a
financial
track
record
and
bring
companies
like
pierland,
for
instance,
interplay,
which
is
a
company
that
does
peer-to-peer
type
of
micro
loans
and
for
to
increase
the
productivity
of
those
regions.
This
is
really
important.
C
B
C
Yeah
well
yeah,
so
so
you
could
see
there
are
two
different
platforms
here.
So
this
is
a
one
is
kind
of
left
side
which
is
a
built
on
the
hyperlayer
fabric
to
record
the
energy
consumption
credit
score
and
payment
transactions
via
the
three
different
smart
contracts
and
the
left
side
use
the
data
of
all
payment
and
credit
score,
and
the
carbon
oxidant
create
the
tokens
out.
A
C
And
this
token
could
be
readable
on
the
bitcoin
platform,
not
on
the
cryptocurrency
platform.
So
and
then
it
could
be
by
why,
whether
any
institutional
buyer
can
buy
it
and
they
can
redeem
it
on
the
platform.
So
after
the
buyer
offset
the
carbon
emission,
the
token
will
be
burnt
or
kind
of
because
the
one
will
be
unique.
B
B
So
this
is
a
great
use
case
to,
for
instance,
I'm
an
ngo,
and
I
want
to
pay
for
the
electricity
of
some
of
these
rural
communities.
I
can
do
it
by
unlocking
their
devices
remotely.
So
this
is
this
is,
I
would
say,
the
quite
unique
use
case
that
could
open
the
door
for
some
additional
investment
into
those
those
communities.
B
B
A
Do
I
was
I
really
kind
of
like
how
you
are
tying
in
the
the
ability
to
build
credit,
the
ability
to
share
information
with
the
energy
sector
and
kind
of
the
idea
that
they're,
you
know
they're
selling
their
energy
use
back.
I
just
love
that,
and
I
love
that
creativity
in
just
the
business
model,
I'm
curious
as
you're
taking
this
to
market.
A
What
do
you,
what
do
you
foresee
the
biggest
it's
kind
of
a
two-part
question
of
what
do
you
foresee
the
greatest
challenges
of
taking
something
like
this
to
market
and
scaling
it,
and
the
second
piece
I
am
curious
about
is:
what
are
the
stakeholders
that
you'll
be
engaging
with
like
what
are
the
key
stakeholders
at
a
very
high
level
and
kind
of
what
ideally,
are
you?
How
can
they
help
you
and
how?
How
can
they
help
you,
how
it
brings
debugging
scale.
B
B
I
believe
is
175
gigawatts
by
2022
and
450
by,
I
believe,
2030,
okay,
so,
right
now
only
solar
is
four
percent
of
the
of
the
capacity
within
india,
meaning
we
will
need
trillions
of
dollars
in
investments
within
the
next
20
years
to
really
be
able
to
comply
with
the
goals
they
have
signed
for
so
you
know,
the
investment
piece
is
important.
The
policies
are
extremely
important,
but
the
level
of
digitalization
that
the
indian
market
has
is
fabulous
right.
B
B
B
You
know
that
regulates
the
smart
meters
and
that's
and
that's
quite
complex,
so
the
smart
meter
we
had
produced
it's
designed
and
manufactured
according
to
the
indian
rules
and
that's
and
that's
really
important
to
mention
so
the
next
step
is
to
pilot
and
we
have
to
pilot
not
only
the
hardware
but
the
communication
piece
right,
because
laura
works
usually
really
well,
but
does
it
work
in
areas
where
there
are?
I
don't
know
too
many
trees
in
place.
You
know
we
don't
know
this
type
of
barriers
because
we
had
tested
in
the
lab.
B
B
No,
not
really
so
what
what
I
call
this
it's
a
remittance
as
a
service
right
and
the
beauty
of
that
is
that
I
don't
have
to
be
a
financial
entity,
so
I
don't
have
to
be
regulated
as
a
bank,
because
someone
sends
money
to
a
machine
and
you
get
a
service
on
the
other.
On
the
other
end,
if
someone
gets
cash
then
I
would
need
to
be
a
bank.
B
Without
what
sorry,
I'm
working
on
work
is
yeah
yeah.
So
what
this
look?
What
verifying
authorities
actually
want
to
see?
Is
they
want
to
understand
that
our
sensors
work
well?
They
want
to
understand
and
meet
actually
with
the
power
plant
and
then
later
they
usually
would
certify
it,
and
they
would
also
bring
it
into
the
market.
But,
of
course
I
mean
it,
it
depends
on
on
the
services
they
give
and
how
one
pays
for
them,
but
just
in
a
nutshell,
it's
that
that's
the
process.
B
B
This
is
one
important
piece
that
I
want
to
mention
it.
It's
not
all
you
know,
unicorns
and
and
pink
out
there
when
you
say
blockchain,
you
work
with
blockchain,
so
it
has
been.
I
would
say
a
little
bit
challenging
on
that
end,
but
but
yes,
there
are
some
ngos
that
would
be
working
with
us
in
the
future
after
the
first
pilots
have
been
implemented.
B
B
B
Regarding
do
you
have
a
carbon
token,
yet?
No,
we
don't
have
a
carbon
token.
Yet
right
now
we
have
the
calculation
running
in
in
hyperledger
fabric
2.2
and
then
kamlesh
will
be
doing
the
the
tokenization
piece,
but
I'm
yeah.
I
I'm
waiting
for
some
of
my
team
members
to
give
me
the
the
correct
process
for
that,
because
I'm
not
entirely
sure
how
how
we
are
going
to
do
it
and
how
is
this
going
to
be
accepted
in
standardized,
I
would
say,
come
lets
you
can
answer
that
question.
B
Depends
yeah
and-
and
I
also
want
to
say
we
were
using
before
public
ethereum
and
it
was
quite
costly
before
we
were
working
with
solar
home
systems.
So
we
didn't
really
care
if
the
transaction
you
know
went
through
after
24
hours,
but
having
a
smart
meter
and
big
power
plants.
You
do
want
the
transaction
to
go
fast
and
therefore
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
decided
to
stick
to
to
hyper
ledger.
B
Okay,
so
when
it
comes
to
india
that
has
specifically
prohibited
cryptocurrencies
regarding
tokenization,
so
if
you
tokenize
and
and
you
bring
it
into
the
open
market,
a
market
that
it's
running
on
chain,
I
I
just
don't
see
how
that
could
be
prohibited,
and
I
also
don't
see
that
we
are
going
to
be.
You
know
violating
any
rules
if
this
is
not
done
in
india,.
A
I
do
I
was
curious
if
you
could
share
a
little
bit
more
about
you
referred
to
the
I
think,
the
power
stations
can
you
kind
of
explain
a
little
bit
about
the
the
ecosystem,
because
I'm
thinking
you
know
smaller
renewable
mini
grid
operators,
I'm
kind
of
thinking
like
small
villages,
that
kind
of
together
have
have
some
sort
of
you
know
photovoltaic.
You
know
panel
structure.
A
What
does
that
ecosystem
look
like,
and
you
know
when
you're,
because
you're
trying
to
support
almost
this
kind
of
decentralized
development
of
kind
of
an
energy
system
which
I
would
kind
of
think
that
would
be
a
direct
threat
to
some
of
the
large
power
generators?
Potentially
I
I
don't
know
is
there
is
it?
What
is
that
environment
like?
Is
it
an
adversary
relationship?
Do
you
find
that.
B
B
If
you
don't
have
that
piece
in
the
system,
you
could
get
paid,
maybe
after
I
don't
know
one
month
or
60
days
in
the
us,
sometimes
it's
even
90
days,
so
I
do
believe
that
even
mini
griefs
in
suburban
areas
could
become
charging
stations.
Okay-
and
this
adds
again
more
of
these
decentralized
use.
Cases
of
energy
use.
A
B
I
I
don't
see
that
I
don't
say
that
the
whole
thing
will
become
decentralized.
I
think
that
would
be
extremely
challenging,
but
I
do
believe
that
this
type
of
decentralized
energy
sources
will
allow
for
use
cases
that
we
have
not
really
seen
until
now
or
that
we
have
seen
in
a
very
small
scale
right,
but
one
of
the
challenges
that
I
think
that
you
were
mentioning
before
and
you
ask
and
and-
and
I
do
believe-
that
we
need
that
we
don't
have
really
standardized
regulatory
system
to
run
all
of
these
new
use
cases.
B
A
So
that's
that's
a
really
interesting
question.
That's
something
that
we
think
a
lot
about
the
standards
issue,
and
so
I'm
always
curious
to
get
different
people's
perspectives.
This
is
a
much
higher
level
of
altitude,
but
what
who's?
How
does
that
happen
there
needs
to
be
kind
of.
There
needs
to
be
a
meeting
of
minds
about
standards,
issues
in
a
lot
of
different
industries,
not
just
energy
who
who
drives
that.
How
does
that
happen.
B
I
will
give
you
my
personal
opinion.
Okay,
I
do
believe
that
in
areas
like-
let's,
let's
say,
latin
america
has
a
huge
advantage
in
that
respect,
because
let
me
put
you
this
use
case.
I,
for
instance,
could
be
talking
to
a
mini
grid
in
a
rural
community
in
a
place
in
latin
america,
in
the
middle
of
nowhere
and
the
energy
ministry
is
behind
and
the
owner
of
that
particular
mini
grid.
B
And
so
they
tell
me
veronica,
you
come
and
you
install
this
type
of
technology
and
we
run
pilots
with
it,
and
then
we
demonstrate
and
see
how
we
can
scale
in
the
country
with
that
right.
So
if
the
the
owner
of
the
power
plant
is
the
government
you,
you
do
have
a
huge
advantage
when
it
comes
to
business,
development
and
standardization
right
because
they
are
adopting
that
and
they
are
giving
you
a
green
card
to
really
pilot
and
share
data
with
them
and
standardize.
B
Right.
Look
at
the
use
case
in
chile,
where
you
have
the
power
sector
and
they
have
standardized
the
data
within
the
power
sector
because
they
were,
they
were
thinking
that
more
hacks
are
going
to
happen,
and
they
don't
want
that.
You
know
they.
They
will
not
want
to
pay
the
ransom
in
this
case.
So
then
they
they
just
developed
their
their
their
whole
use
case
on
the
chain.
A
So
that
kind
of
brings
me
to
thinking
about
india.
You
mentioned
that
there's
a
really
there's
really
good
digital
infrastructure.
There
is
that
due
to
the
indian
government,
and
are
you
finding?
Are
you
finding
that
there's
good
ways
to
integrate
with
them
and
work
with
them?
Is
there
kind
of
a
good
like?
Is
there
a
good
system
for
engaging
with
them.
B
A
Yes,
so
I
was,
I
was
just
asking
about
this
question
of
of
of
the
indian
government
and
it
sounds
like
there's
a
really
strong
digital
infrastructure
that
veronica
mentioned,
and
I'm
just
curious.
You
know-
is
that
due
to
support
from
the
indian
government
and-
and
then
that
leads
to
my
second
question,
which
is
you
know,
how
has
your
experience
been
integrated
with
them?
Is
there
a
good
process
for
for
kind
of
engaging
that
particular
stakeholder.
C
Yeah,
so
so
in
india,
there
is
a
really
nice
initiative
in
terms
of
the
renewable
energy
adoption.
There
are
huge
projects
in
the
rural
area
and
around
the
maybe
either
wind
energy
or
solar
energy,
and
they
are
engaging
the
even
even
you
know
the
power
ledger,
one
of
the
power
renewable
energy
blockchain
based
system
they're,
also
working
with
couple
of
state
governments
in
india
to
implement
the
peer-to-peer
electricity
trading
on
the
blockchain
based
system.
So
yeah
government
support
and
government
want
to
adopt
the
new
technology.
B
A
B
Yeah
yeah
so
alex.
Thank
you
so
much
for
for
that
question.
At
the
very
beginning,
we
started
actually
with
the
use
case
of
solar
water
pumps.
Okay,
but
as
we
developed
the
software,
it
has
been
extremely
challenging
to
find
companies
that
would
like
to
adopt
the
software
and
therefore
include
also
some
of
the
smart
devices
that
we
need
to
lock
and
unlock
the
system.
So
that's
a
use
case
that
we
have
pending
since
months
now
in
senegal.
B
A
B
I
think
that
that
could
be
a
really
interesting
use
case.
One
would
need
to
operate
in
areas
that
that's
allowed.
You
know,
and
I
am
not
sure
I
believe
that
in
that
particular
well,
that
would
have
to
be
done
through
a
micro
lender
right
exactly
like
we
are
doing
now.
We
have
micro
lenders
that
would
like
to
provide
micro
loans
to
to
these
rural
communities,
but
I
mean
I
think
that
could
be
a
very,
very
interesting
use
case,
one
that
we
have
not
developed
or
or
were
thinking
of.
C
Yeah,
sorry,
not
a
direct
question,
I'm
actually
having
a
really
hard
time,
because
I'm
over
here
exploding
with
with
concept
ideas,
use
cases,
because
we,
our
project,
could
fit
almost
directly
into
this.
You
guys-
and
I
don't
want
to
take
up
too
much
of
your
presentation
time
here
and
that's
why
I'm
just
like
my
hand,
keeps
going
up
and
down
I'm
just
like.
Oh,
my
god.
C
C
B
Okay,
anyone
else
that
want
to
ask
questions,
I
mean
I
think
that
technology
is
pretty
straightforward.
To
be
honest,
the
really
complicated
part
arises
from
the
regulatory
side,
and
yes,
and-
and
there
are
a
few-
a
few
additional
features
that
we
are
working
on-
that
I
want
to
mention
here-
it's
it's
not
out.
Yet
we
are
managing
some
data
that
the
eu
was
really
kind
enough
to
send
us
it's
on
on
satellite
imagery.
B
So
what
we
are
going
to
do
next
is
try
to
see
how
we
can
combine
the
data
also
on
the
chain
and
to
really
start
labeling
how
investments
are
flowing
towards
greener
technologies,
and
you
know,
based
on
the
goals
that
the
politicians
have
set
right.
So
to
me,
it's
really
important
that,
yes,
there
are
a
lot
of
reporting
schemes
that
are
out
there,
that
financial
companies
and
companies
can
actually
work
with
like
that
is
tfc.
B
But
you
know
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
carbon
budget
is
one
and
you
can
see
that
from
satellite
imagery,
and
you
know
you
can
do
as
much
reporting
as
you
want.
I
don't
think
reporting
will
solve
much.
It's
important
to
have
it,
but
I
mean
at
this
point
it's
really
important
that
we
don't
have
a
macroeconomic
problem
and
I
do
think
that
we
could
face
one
easily
because
we
are
not
taking
into
account.
A
B
A
Well,
thank
you
very
much
for
running.
This
has
been
a
fantastic
presentation,
very
clear.
It's
a
really
important
area
and
I
love
the
I
just
again.
I
love
the
creativity
and
the
technology
used
in
the
business
model
use
and
I
love
that
you've
got
such
a
big
vision
and
you're
kind
of
spearheading
in
such
an
important
area.
So
it's
great
to
hear
stories
like
this
for
us
it's
great
to
see
some
movement
in
in
the
action.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
joining
us.
It's
been
really
great.
B
A
A
I'll
make
just
a
couple.
Quick,
last-minute
calls.
We're
gonna
be
cutting
this
one
short
at
the
hour,
because
I
I
need
to
there's
a
there's
a
meeting
coming
up
that
I
actually
highly
recommend
other
people
to
join
it's
about.
It's
a
call
to
strengthen
open
collaboration
among
all
hyper
ledger,
working
groups,
special
interest
groups
and
chapters,
and
so
it's
it's
just
about
figuring
out
how
we
can
kind
of
work
better
within
the
hyperledger
community,
I'm
going
to
join
it
and
I
highly
recommend
everybody
else
join
it.
A
We
usually
extend
30
minutes
into
kind
of
the
next
hour,
but
I
don't
think
anybody
else
is
going
to
be
here
to
host
that
call.
So,
unfortunately,
I
don't
think
I'm
gonna
be
able
to
do
that.
I
also
wanted
to
and
also
put
a
link
into
the
the
chat
for
anybody
who
wants
to
join
that.
One
last
thing
I
wanted
to
mention:
we
were
invited
to
speak
last
week
at
the
unep,
a
unes
digital
discovery
session.