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From YouTube: OS-Climate and Sustainable Finance & Investing
Description
A presentation to the Hyperledger Climate Action and Accounting Special Interest Group on February 9, 2021 featuring the OS-Climate project. OS-Climate is a new LF umbrella project developing data and analytics solutions for climate-aligned investing, finance, and regulation. Allianz, Amazon, Federated Hermes, Microsoft, and S&P Global are initial Founding Members, and the OS-Climate Planning Team includes WWF, Ceres, and the Sustainability Accounting Standards Board (SASB). In the SIG meeting, the OS-Climate team will discuss:
* Overall trends in the sustainable finance space.
* State of play on ESG/climate data and analytics for asset owners, asset managers, and banks.
* Initial efforts of OS-Climate in prototyping its Data Commons and tools for climate aligned investing.
* Possible areas for collaboration with Hyperledger.
Presenters:
* Truman Semans, Founder and Executive Director of OS-Climate
* Hewson Baltzell, Product Leader for OS-Climate
* Michael Tiemann, VP Open Source Affairs for Red Hat
More about the Hyperledger Climate Action and Accounting Special Interest Group is at: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/display/CASIG/
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A
C
B
Tell
you
a
bit
about
what
we're
doing
and
what
we're
seeing
and
and
then
to
have
a
discussion
around
ways
that
we
may
be
able
to
collaborate
and-
and
I
want
to
recognize
and
thank
in
particular
martin
for
reaching
out
already
on
on
opportunities
for
collaboration
back
in
the
fall
with
the
collab-a-thon
and
an
associated
conference
which
which
we
were,
which
we
really
appreciated.
The
opportunity
participate
in.
B
So
thanks
for
that
and
and
we'll
look
forward
to
reciprocating
as
as
opportunities
come
up
on
in
the
os
climate
world
there.
So
I'm
joined
by
houston,
baltzell
and
michael
tiemann,
who
can
say
a
little
bit
about
their
background
when
they,
when
they
speak
a
little
bit
later
on
houston,
leads
product
thinking
for
us
climate
and
as
you'll
understand
from
his
background
he's
he's.
B
B
Really
the
the
course
of
my
career,
leading
up
to
to
to
starting
os
climate
have
had
the
opportunity
to
to
to
be
involved
in
the
successive
steps
along
the
path
toward
much
more
sophisticated
incorporation
of
information
about
climate
and
sustainability
in
a
whole
range
of
decision
making,
including
in
business
and
finance.
So
I
I
was
on
the
climate
change
negotiating
team
during
the
the
the
clinton
administration
and
the
lead
on
financial
mechanisms
for
the
negotiating
team,
and
also
the
lead
on
global
environment.
B
B
D
B
B
You
know
a
week
or
more
just
to
run
three
scenarios,
and
so
fortunately,
right
at
that
at
that
moment
you
know
sort
of
the
the
the
well
known
to
you
all.
The
terrific
advances
in
in
india,
science
and
programming
languages
and
and
cloud
cloud
computing
and
storage
clouds.
All
came
together.
Fortunately,
at
a
time
when,
when
when
it
comes
to
climate
change,
we
really
need
it
the
most.
So.
B
B
One
of
the
kind
of
most
important
set
of
trends
is
around
voluntary
disclosure
of
climate-related
information,
both
by
corporations
and
by
by
institutional
investors
and
and
banks
and
financial
institutions
and
and
and
the
sort
of
at
the
really
at
the
center
of
that.
Although
there's
so
many
different
initiatives
is
the
is
the
tcfd.
B
Sorry
about
course,
on
passport
on
task
force
on
climate
related
disclosure.
I
I
I
didn't
sorry,
that's
great!
Stop
me
at
any
point,
if
we,
if
I
or
or
others
among
us,
use
acronyms
you're
not
familiar
with,
I
assume
that
you
guys
are
probably
pretty
well
aware
of
tcfd
they're,
that,
notwithstanding
the
fact
that
there
is,
I
think,
a
real
or
you
know
we
observe
a
real
coalescing
around
the
tcfd,
particularly
in
the
in
the
run-up
to
cop
26.
B
There
is
also
a
proliferation
of
of
new
initiatives
of
all
of
various
stripes,
around
data
and
analytics
related
to
climate
and
yeah,
even
sort
of
next,
the
next
kind
of
issue
out
from
climate,
I
would
say
in
the
esg
space,
be
that
being
biodiversity,
and
it's
a
it's.
This
is
a
natural
thing
that
happens
anytime.
You
know
a
an
issue.
B
So
another
kind
of
key
area
of
trends
that
we
see
is
that,
in
the
in
the
failure
of
both
corporations
to
quickly
enough
align
to
paris,
accord
temperature
goals
and
to
realign
their
business
activities
accordingly
and
financial
institutions
to
more
fully
integrate
climate
into
and
align
their
their
their
decisions,
both
in
a
portfolio
and
an
individual
investing
and
finance
level
with
paris
goals.
Regulators
are
coming
in,
particularly
in
europe
very
hard
to
try
to
force
it
to
happen,
and
so
you
know
the
now.
B
You
know,
I
think,
for
hyper
ledger
and
for
and
and
what
martin's
doing,
at
yale
and
and
and
probably
others
here
on
the
call
and
for
os
climate.
I
think
this
is
largely
a
tailwind
and
creates
a
lot
of
opportunity,
but
there's
some
particularities
around
how
that
needs
to
happen
in
in
practice.
That
are
also
policy
related.
B
There's
a
tremendous
amount
of
pushback
in
the
year
I
mean
there's
a.
I
would
go
so
far
as
to
say
the
that
that
the
commission
is
experiencing
a
revolt
from
the
business
community.
Saying
enough
is
enough:
we're
you're
just
layering
on
too
much
disclosure
requirements.
You
know
we
were
getting
there
and
we
were
pretty
close
on
on
climate
before
and
now
the
taxonomy
is
just
killing
us.
So
that's
a
that's
an
it's
an
it's
an
important
problem.
B
It
signals
problems
that
perhaps
the
the
linux
foundation
and
and
its
partner
initiatives
can
help
to
solve.
So
there's
a
real
opportunity.
I
think
for
impact
there.
I
mentioned
regs
that
are
outside
of
climate,
oh,
and
by
the
way
I
saw
I
I
just
didn't,
give
the
laundry
list
of
of
other
sort
of
regulatory
drivers
there
there
are.
B
There
are
quite
a
number
of
them,
and-
and
you
know,
those
that
are
watching
what's
happening
in
the
u.s
are
may
be
aware
that
the
recommendations
that
os
climate
helped
to
develop
as
part
of
the
the
ctfc
comprehensive
guidance
to
u.s
regulators
on
climate-related
market
risk
have
basically
been
adopted
whole
by
the
by
the
administration
who
are
moving
aggressively
on
them.
A
matter
of
fact.
It
started.
B
Moving
even
before
the
the
inauguration-
so
that's
I
think,
that's
all
very
positive,
but
I
was
going
to
mention
that
sort
of
the
the
you
know
some
of
the
other
policy
contexts
that
affect.
I
think
what
what
open
source
projects
can
do
in
this
area.
One
of
those
is
around.
You
know
everything
all
things
digital
in
the
european
union
and
and
the
and
in
particular,
the
the
very
strong
move
to
to
to
cultivate
the
the
infant
industry.
B
That
that
that
the
we've
got
to
be
playing
ball
with
the
european
cloud
services
providers
so
and
by
we
there.
I
I'd
say
I
mean
you
know
that
that
that's
for
oh
it's
climate.
I
think
it's
for
it's
for
anyone.
You
guys
may
well
be
already
sort
of
engaged
there
and
and
and
ahead
of
us,
but
we'll
you
know,
to
the
extent
that
that
we're
making
inroads
there
that
that
can
be
useful
as
well
for
hyperledger
or
other
projects.
B
You
know
we
will
be
carrying
the
broader
lf
banner
in
our
engagement
with
those
those
entities,
so
I
think
I'll
stop
there,
hopefully
that
that
was.
That
was
somewhat
useful
to
you
guys,
I'm
not
really
sure
if
it
was
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Also,
houston
and
michael
did
I
miss
anything
there
on
the
trends
topic.
D
D
D
D
Sam
moody's
bought
vizio
iris
morningstar,
now
owns
sustainal
licks
and
there's
iss,
which
is
now
being
bought
by
deutsche
boris,
so
they're,
all
sort
of
all
these
esg
research
firms
are
owned
by
bigger
players
now
and
so.
The
overall
sort
of
esgn
climate
are
very
big
parts
and
strategic
areas
for
these
commercial
data
providers,
s
b,
msci,
refinitive,
lseg,
etc,
and
for
investors
and
other
financial
institutions.
D
Who
are
you
know
using
that
data,
so
the
field
just
keeps
getting
bigger
and
climate,
as
some
issue
keeps
getting
bigger
because
of
all
the
trends
that
truman
discussed,
but
also,
as
truman
alluded
to
there's
what
my
friend
linda
from
my
old
team
at
msci
who's.
Now
the
head
of
research.
There
calls
the
ngo
food
fight
of
initiatives
frameworks.
You
know,
there's
just
a
really
complicated
messy
field
and
a
lot
going
on
and
seemingly
a
lot
of
slits.
D
You
know
slipping
the
wheels
and
duplicated
effort,
there's
certainly
a
whole
lot
of
effort,
duplicated
effort,
collecting
data.
So
normally
I
mean
by
now
a
larger
companies
that
are
big
that
are
intensive.
Emitters
of
carbon
generally
are
reporting
that
data
in
their
csr
reports
or
and
reporting
through
to
the
carbon
disclosure
project
cdp,
although
there's
still
lots
of
companies
that
don't
report,
and
certainly
a
lot
of
companies
that
don't
report
everything
because
the
scope,
three
calculations
are
complicated
and,
and
you
know
many
different
methodologies,
etc.
D
You
know
the
for-profit
all
of
the
for-profit
data
providers
are
collecting
this
data
one
way
or
another
as
well
as
non-profit
cdp,
and
they
also
have
their
own
estimation
models
to
fill
in
gaps.
Those
are
not
necessarily
transparent
and
users
are
ultimately
very
concerned
about
getting
good
data,
but
also
understanding
how
it's
been
built
and
whether
their
estimates
and
assumptions
etc.
D
D
There's
no
publicly
available
full
data
set
of
that
and
we're
increasingly
seeing
the
demand
for
that
and
we're
also
seeing
a
lot
of
pushback
for
the
sort
of
you
know
the
pricing
power
that
the
the
data
commercial
data
providers
have
so
what
we're
trying
to
find
in
this
in
the
open
source.
You
know
angle
that
michael
knows
well
is
to
look
for
the
pre-competitive
layer,
where
we
can
build
a
good
data
commons,
fully
open
publicly
available
to
all
the
investors,
but
to
all
the
others
in
the
community
too.
D
E
Sure,
before
I
do
talk
about
the
specifics
of
what
we're
doing
in
the
in
the
data
commons,
I
do
want
to
reach
back
and
and
touch
one
thing
that
truman
said
about
open
source.
I
think
many
of
you
know
that
I
started
the
world's
first
open
source
software
company
back
in
1989,
but
I
think
that
this
context
relates
to
the
challenge
that
we're
facing
today
in
2021,
with
respect
to
getting
the
kind
of
data
organized
and
available
that
we
need
back
in
those
early
days.
E
E
And
I
think
that
we're
kind
of
in
that
position
right
now
with
a
lot
of
the
folks
in
terms
of
esg
related
data,
the
set
of
assumptions
that
people
have
about
how
market
data
market
analytics
financial
investment
works
and
what
the
future
really
depends
upon,
and
so
throughout
a
lot
of
this
work.
It
is
a
it
is
a
challenge
of
marshaling
what
we
know
about
open
source
and
open
data
and
and
what
the
market
is
ready
to
do
to
participate.
But
that
being
said,
michael,
yes,.
B
B
Well,
I
just
wanted
to
ask
the
question
so
we
we
have
structured
our
remarks
with
an
assumption
that
may
not
actually
be
accurate,
which
is
that
that
you
know
enough
about
os
climate
and
our
our
mission,
our
use
cases
and
sort
of
the
key
players
in
our
community
at
this
point
that
we
don't
need
to
go
over
that.
But
we
can
certainly
pause
and
and
spend
a
couple
of
minutes
on
that.
If
it's
going
to
be
helpful,
so
I
don't
know
how
to
gauge
that.
B
Of
this,
so
so
just
in
terms
of
those
of
those
problems-
and
I
think
because
I'm
kind
of
thinking
through
what
I've
I've
perceived
that
this
sig
is,
has
been
talking
about
and
thinking
about
and
what
hyperledger
is
doing.
Let
me
just
just
walk
you
through
one
slide
here,
so
so.
The
the
long
term
vision
of
of
of
os
climate
is
to
address
a
wide
range
of
use.
B
Although
we
don't
want
to
compete
with
the
marketplace
for
scenario,
analysis
around
both
risk
and
opportunity
and
for
alignment
of
portfolios
and
decisions
on
individual
investment
and
financial
decision
instruments,
and-
and
so
here's
just
a
list
of
the
the
priority
use
cases
that
we're
working
on
and-
and
I
wanted
to
just
tick
through
these-
because
they'll
provide
some
context
for
what
michael's
going
to
talk
about
in
a
minute.
So
so
stress,
testing
both
by
regulators
and
by
regulated
organizations,
banks,
insurance
companies,
etc.
B
Financial
institutions
and
ngos
and
governance,
governments
and
others
engage
effectively
with
companies
and
financial
institutions
and,
and
you
know,
with
a
combination
of
of
of
of
pushing
and
pulling
forces
to
to
speed
up
the
alignment
of
companies
and
financial
institutions
with
paris
goals.
So
sorry
that
that's
that's
sorry
for
jumping
in
there
michael,
but
I
just
wanted
to
give
that
context
before
you
continue.
E
No,
that
was
that
was
very
helpful
and
so
based
on,
based
on
our
knowledge
and
experience
with
open
source
based
on
our
recognition
of
this
enormous
problem
and
and
the
sort
of
the
collective
acknowledgement
by
so
many
of
the
people.
That
truman
has
just
mentioned
that
the
existing
the
existing
system
is
not
working
and
they
really
are
looking
for
a
solution.
E
The
opportunity
presents
to
bring
the
open
source
development
models
and
and
open
data
to
the
esg
topic,
and
so
with
this
universal
desire.
The
the
the
question
is:
how
how
do
we
do
it
and,
first
of
all,
as
as
houston
mentioned,
the
esg
landscape
encompasses
a
broad
range
of
data
with
a
wide
range
of
uses
and
rights,
and
that
includes
public
scientific
data,
public
regulatory
data,
public
corporate
disclosure
data,
but
also
proprietary,
operational
metrics,
proprietary
classification
and
scoring
systems,
public
classification
and
scoring
systems
etc.
E
But
what
we're
one
of
the
major
things
that
we're
looking
at
right
now
as
a
as
a
technical
project
within
os
climate
is
taking
public
esg
disclosures
which
do
contain
a
lot
of
information,
but
that,
but
so
many
companies
report
things
differently
in
different
formats,
that
it
is
extremely
difficult
and
time
consuming
and
expensive
to
try
to
turn
that
into
some
normalized
and
regularized
data.
But
a
open
source
extraction
engine
on
these
used
with
these
public
esg
reports
could
lead
to
the
kind
of
open,
esg
data
that
corporates
are
looking
for.
A
Great,
I
I
truman
and
might
feel
free
to
keep
some
more
context.
I
think
that
was
fascinating
and
and
great
to
put
everyone
in
a
leveling
playing
field
about
what
os
climate
is.
It
may
be
interesting
to
start
hearing
some
some
questions
from
from
the
participants
that
they
could
either
punch
in
the
chat
or
a
mute
and
pose
the
questions
just
being
mindful
to
keep
keep
the
questions
short
from
from
my
side,
and
I
think,
michael
you
already
alluding
to
it.
A
A
Since
it's
such
a
timely
and
urgent
process
and
whether
there's
been
considerations
of
the
use
of
cryptography
and
distributed
ledger
technologies
to
establish
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
interoperability,
different
esg
frameworks,
but
I'm
be
interested
in
hearing
any
thoughts
around
digital
auditability,
so
to
be
able
to
audit
and
trust
the
data
in
a
low-cost
way.
Since
that's
that's
one
of
the
the
trust
and
a
big
dichotomy
in
the
climate
space
is
achieving
transparency
alongside
privacy.
So
be
very,
you
know.
B
I'm
gonna
just
start
off
with
one
super
short
story
that
I
heard
this
morning
from
the
chief
investment
operator
for
officer
for
federated
hermes
and
we're
talking
about
we're
getting
ready
for
a
tv
interview
tomorrow
and
we're
talking
about
why
federated
hermes
got
involved
in
os
climate,
and
he
said
six
years
ago
in
in
an
interview
of
a
person
who
became
our
our
lead,
quant
and
who
later
became
our
lead.
Con
focused
on
climate
and
esg.
B
That
person
said
I've
got
a
vision
and
and
and
that's
a
vision
of
a
of
a
combination
of
linkedin
in
a
database
that
provides
a
common
truth
about
climate
in
companies
in
the
marketplace,
and
that
was
six
years
ago,
and
it
still
hasn't
happened
so
that
that
that's
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
they
got
involved.
In
what
we're
doing.
And
I
think
that
ties
in
very
much
with
your
your
question.
Martin
but
I'll-
leave
michael
to
answer
it.
More
specifically.
E
Sure
so
so,
in
terms
of
of
looking
at
how
how
hyper
ledger
can
can
contribute?
First
of
all,
there
are.
There
are
ways
in
which
we
don't
have
the
kind
of
privacy
problems,
yet
that
I'm
aware
of
that
hyperledger
is
so
great
at
solving
in
some
domains,
simply
because
a
lot
of
what
we're
focused
on
doing
is
collecting
publicly
disclosed
information
or
or
or
otherwise,
regulatory
information.
That
is
still
you
know
very
disparately
reported,
but
as
far
as
the
provenance
question
is
pr.
B
Yeah
so,
for
example,
there,
I
think,
probably
a
couple
of
folks
on
the
phone
that
I
are
on.
The
call
here
that
I
I
see
are
are
working
with
with
rmi
on
some
of
their
approaches
of
using
earth
observation
to
to
gather
alternative
sources
of
information
about
corporate
activities
in
oil
and
gas,
so
for
from
the
from
the
the
investment
user
side.
E
Another
question
that's
been
asked
relates
to
you
know
what
has
the
os
climate
project
released
to
date,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
want
to
say
is
that,
while
many
of
our
members
are
very
familiar
with
using
open
source
technologies
deep
in
their
infrastructure,
many
of
the
folks
that
we
are
interfacing
with
are
are
not
at
all
familiar
with
that.
But
many
of
them
have
their
own
initiatives.
E
B
B
B
If
you
were
to
sort
of
run
the
sbti
tool
for
all
you
know
for
all
listed
companies,
you
would
get
a
data
set.
That
purports
to
to
be
that,
however,
don't
bother,
because
a
lot
of
work
is
is
needed
for
almost
all
sectors.
There
is
a
single
default
temperature
score,
and
and
given
that
there
are
only
several
hundred
companies
that
have
published
targets
and
for
which
information
is
available
to
understand
how
they
are
how
well
they
are,
they
are
achieving
or
moving
toward
those
targets.
E
Yet
I
I
I
want
to
make
a
comment
on
on
truman's
comment
for
for
those
of
you
who
have
not.
I
I
I
came
into
this
os
climate
project
with
a
lot
of
experience
in
open
source
software
and
open
source
communities
and
no
experience
at
all
in
the
in
the
world
of
esg,
and
I
will
tell
you
that
it
is
an
amazingly
diverse,
multivalent,
community
and,
and
there
are
such
communities
in
the
open
source
world
as
well.
E
We
are.
We
are
racing
to
build
that
connective
tissue
between
these
many
different,
disparate
communities
and
for
me,
as
an
open
source
person.
I
know
that
these
are
the
right
answers
for
me
as
not
an
esg
expert.
It
is
sometimes
very
confusing
and
frustrating
to
me
how
complex
this
is,
but
I
have
seen
this
solution
work
in
other
spaces.
E
The
larger
complexity
of
this
particular
problem-
and
I
think
that
in
the
hyperledger
community,
you
may
also
recognize
how
it
is
that
a
small
solution
in
a
particular
aspect
of
something
can
build
a
sufficient
connection
to
make
much
much
bigger
things
happen.
And
that
is
a
pattern
that
I
think
we
should
identify
so
that
we
can
apply
that
successfully
to
our
work.
B
C
Yes
sure
you
talked
about
gathering
of
data
and
make
it
public,
and
you
want
to
give
companies
the
tools
that
they
can
do
it
at
low
or
no
cost.
But
I
think
in
terms
of
csr,
companies
need
to
account
for
all
their
missions,
and
this
is
score
one.
Two
and
three.
So
let's
say
I
buy
products
from
a
different
company
and
of
course,
there
are
some
emissions
by
the
transport
of
the
products,
and
now
I
use
those
products
for
my
own
services
it
needs.
C
I
need
have
a
kind
of
account
for
those
products
as
well,
and
what
I'm
asking
is,
if
this
company,
which
produces
the
products
and
shipped
them
towards
me,
can
just
transfer
this
emission
of
carbon
to
my
account.
So
it
gets
into
my
balance,
and
I
can
use
this
as
a
proof.
Instead
of
all
the
bills
I
received
from
this
company
a
kind
of
trading
system
for
carbon
emissions,
instead
of
just
gathering
the
data.
D
D
D
So
one
of
those
startups
that
I
know
of
is
working
with
one
of
the
big
four
accounting
firms.
So
right
now
in
the
field,
there's
a
lot
of
assurance,
work
so
called
by
big
accounting
firms
for
these
corporates
and
say:
well,
they
they,
you
know,
do
some
auditing
on
their
calculation
of
their
carbon
footprints
and
the
rest
of
their
esg
data.
D
For
that
matter,
and
so
the
the
theory
is
that
that
would
kind
of
change
its
focus
to
be
okay,
more,
like
those
accounting
firms,
look
at
accounting
numbers,
they
would
look
through
the
sort
of
hyperledger
accounts
and
make
sure
that
they
were
accounted
for
the
right
way
and
built
up
from
the
bottom.
So
I
think
it's,
I
think
it's
an
idea.
That
is
very
interesting.
D
A
Well,
I
think,
there's
like
I
mentioned
huge
opportunities
for
for
us
to
collaborate
and
and
different
hyper
electric
community
that
understands
a
little
bit
of
the
tool
sets
and
perhaps
an
interesting
exercise.
We
could
do
as
follow-up
is
align
a
lot
of
what
what
you
identified
in
terms
of
requirements
for
a
open,
open
data
and
open
platform
comments
for
esg
and
climate.
A
What
are
the
things
that
need
to
be
achieved
and
what
are
the
the
tool
sets
from
the
hyperledger
site
that
that
might
be
applicable
to
achieve
that,
since
the
the
sick
has
been
working
a
lot
on
on
doing
that,
mapping
in
terms
of
broader
climate
accounting?
So
we
might
create
a?
We
might
have
an
easy
time,
creating
a
short
list
of
saying
well
to
achieve
this.
A
These
are
some
of
the
tool
sets
and
eventually
we
we
have
on
the
programming
sessions
to
to
test
different
proof
of
concepts
and
applications,
some
which
can
apply
to
a
broader
climate
accounting,
but
that
can
equally
apply
to
esg,
which
I
think
would
be
very
interesting
to
explore.
So
I'm
just
in
the
in
the
in
the
nature
of
of
trying
to
see
how
to
how
to
take
this
in
a
more
ongoing
conversation
and
collaboration
next
steps,
since
we
all
share
the
same
open
philosophy.
B
Just
one
quick
note
around
timing:
we
do
have
the
room
for
30
more
minutes.
If
people
do
want
to
stay
on,
I
understand
some
people
may
need
to
drop
but
feel
free
to
stay
on.
If
you
want
to
continue
the
discussion
great
and
just
one
thing
before,
martin
signs
off.
So
if
you
haven't
already,
maybe
this
has
happened.
You
know.
Probably
a
similar
conversation
with
the
finnos
folks
might
be
helpful
because
you
know
so
they
they.
We.
B
A
Yes,
that
that's
a
great
point-
and
we
we've
had
a
couple
of
conversations
with
them
from
the
sig
and
the
klamath
up
front
in
the
past,
so
it'd
be
great
to
pick
up
the
thread
of
where,
where
that
is
and
and
see
how
to
again,
maybe
thinking
about
a
relatively
simple,
let's
say,
quick
workshop,
where
we
map
things
out
and
and
think
about
a
couple
key
stakeholders
that
that
we
might
want
to
do
in
the
room.
Obviously,.
B
Yep
one
of
the
one
of
the
ways
we
could
perhaps
do
that
martin
and
actually
lf
energy
would
want
to
be
involved
in
that
as
well.
Maybe
lfa
is
is
to
use
there's
actually
lfai
has
a
or
or
kubernetes
one
of
the
hat
has
sort
of
done
a
tool,
that's
a
landscaping
tool,
and
we
can
do.
We
could
do
that,
live
using
that
tool.
A
I
think
that
same
same
length
of
what
would
be
kind
of
useful
as
as
next
steps
I'll
I'll
sign
off,
but
I
think
we
we've
got
a
great
participation
tom's,
also
online
and
david.
Thank
you
so
much.
This
is
super,
exciting
and
and
and
hope.
This
is
the
the
end
of
the
beginning
of
a
collaboration,
opportunity
and
relationship.
B
B
B
B
So
I
think
we've
covered
all
the
questions
that
are
in
the
chat
we,
let's
see.
I
think
I
think
there
was
a
question
and
michael
covered
it
partially
about
about
you
know,
sort
of
where
we
are
with
respect
to
additional
releases,
and
I
would
say,
watch
this
space
for
what
will
first
be
demonstrations
in
a
kind
of
controlled
environment
like
a
webinar
type
environment
in
late.
B
B
B
C
Can
you
hear
me
truman?
This
is
tom
speaking
hi
everyone
thanks
very
much
for
that
overview,
and
you
know
I
have
been
waiting
patiently
so
that
other
members
can
ask
questions
because
we've
I've
had
the
benefit
of
talking
with
you
all
a
few
times
already
david.
Did
I
see
that
you're
still
with
us?
Are
there
any
items
that
we
should
or
that
we
need
to
talk
about
post
presentation
or
webinar.
B
C
B
So
I'll
give
an
example
there-
and
this
is
outside
of
this-
is
outside
of
of
climate.
But
there's
a
there's
a
you
know
massive
set
of
of
initiatives
and
work
that
are
gearing
up
around
biodiversity,
but
but
the
the
the
lack
of
of
convergence
around
a
an
agreed
set
of
metrics
and
the
and
the
competitive
juices
that
are
flowing
as
various
organizations
set
out
to
define
those
metrics
is
is
an
area
where
we
are
we're
that
we're
watching
carefully.
B
So
we're
focused
on
climate
in
the
near
term,
but
particularly
as
the
french
take
move
toward
their
role
in
the
presidency
of
the
european
union.
There's
going
to
be
just
a
dramatically
increased
focus
on
this
also
under
the
auspices
of
the
tnft.
The
task
force
on
nature
related
disclosures,
so
yeah,
and
so
that's
I
guess
that's
what
we're
what
I'd
say
at
that
level?
E
That's
that's
all
to
the
good
and
ultimately,
in
the
in
the
competitive
marketplace
of
ideas.
There
will
be
some
standards
and
some
metrics,
which
really
are
the
ones
that
drive
decisions
and
climate
alignment
and
and
the
rest
of
that.
But
our
philosophy
is
to
implement
the
standards
that
our
our
our
members
are
using
as
their
highest
priority
instruments,
but
to
do
so
in
an
open
source
way
that
allows
for
very
broad
participation.
E
D
I
agree
with
those
things,
but
I
do
think
I
mean
what
michael
was
saying
is
that
you
know
we'll
use
what's
out
there,
but
basically
to
the
extent
that
we
build
a
database.
That's
not
that's
climate
and
then
go
farther
into
the
sort
of
full
esg
world.
You
know
there's
so
many
frameworks
what
I
mentioned
before
the
ngo
food
fight.
D
You
know
that's
a
way
that
it
makes
their
life
a
lot
easier
and
makes
the
data
more
useful,
but
I
think
there
will
be
a
natural
process
of,
as
michael
said,
you
know
see,
which
ones
are
most
useful,
get
these
desperate
groups
to
sort
of
agree
on
at
least
well.
You
know
some
of
the
concepts
that
overlap
their
venn
diagrams
of
interest,
and
you
know
clean
up
the
the
sort
of
landscape
it'll
be
very
useful
to
have
that
all
in
one
clean
place.
D
C
C
B
And
thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
and
to
to
talk
with
you
all
and
we
we
look
forward
to
figuring
out
ways
that
that
we
can
work
together
with
with
the
group
and
with
individual
members
of
it
going
forward
and
please
pass
our
best
along
to
to
martin
david.
Thank
you
for
your
help
and
and
tom
of
course,
so
we'll
we'll
look
forward
to
continuing
the
conversation.