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From YouTube: Brian Behlendorf, Hyperledger | Open Source Summit 2017
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Brian Behlendorf, Executive Director, Hyperledger Project, sits down with John Furrier & Jeff Frick at Open Source Summit 2017 in Los Angeles, CA
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Hyperledger Project strives to reboot thorny problems of the world
What if the cost of shipping a container halfway across the world could be reduced by 50 percent? Or patient records could be available immediately in any medical facility around the globe? Or every shipment of food could be tracked mile by mile to avoid spoilage? These are a few of the problems that the Hyperledger Project, an open-source initiative to build blockchain and related tools, is seeking to tackle by leveraging the growing power of new transaction-based technologies.
“We’ve had a decline in the trust in institutions, not just in the U.S., but worldwide. This is a way to try and make the world more accountable and more fair,” said Brian Behlendorf (pictured), executive director of the Hyperledger Project at The Linux Foundation.
Behlendorf stopped by theCUBE, SiliconANGLE’s mobile livestreaming studio and spoke with co-hosts John Furrier (@furrier) and Jeff Frick (@JeffFrick) during Open Source Summit in Los Angeles. They discussed elements of the Hyperledger Project, the potential impact on high-profile breaches and recent code releases. (* Disclosure below.)
Oracle joins the Hyperledger initiative
Launched by The Linux Foundation in 2015, the Hyperledger Project recently announced that Oracle would be joining the group initiative. The concept behind the project is to create a shared, distributed ledger that will promote a transparent system for the recording and verification of transactions.
“The more governance and business processes that you can automate by smart contracts, the more effective and efficient a lot of these markets will be,” Behlendorf said.
The potential to apply blockchain concepts to a variety of different applications has attracted interest in many business sectors, including areas such as credit monitoring bureaus, as exemplified by the widely-reported Equifax breach.
“We can assess risk through blockchain technology in a way that doesn’t require us to build these big central, anonymous third parties that ‘Hoover’ everybody’s data up and become these massive privacy Titanics,” Behlendorf said.
There are eight different projects currently underway at the Hyperledger initiative. The project recently released Hyperledger Fabric 1.0, a blockchain framework. “This is a code ready to be run in production systems and ready to track digital assets with it. The clear intent is ‘let’s make this usable by enterprises,’” Behlendorf concluded.
. (* Disclosure: TheCUBE is a paid media partner for Open Source Summit 2017. Neither The Linux Foundation nor Red Hat Inc. have editorial control over content on theCUBE or SiliconANGLE.)
A
B
Hey
welcome
back.
Everyone
here
live
in
la
for
the
open
source
summit
in
north
america,
I'm
john
furrier,
with
my
co-host,
jeff
frick
and
stu
miniman
he'll,
be
back
shortly,
he's
out
scouring
the
hallways
for
all
the
news
and
analysis
getting
all
the
scuttlebutt
are
here
we're
here
with
our
next
guest
brian
bellendorf
who's,
the
executive
director
of
the
hyperledger
project,
part
of
the
linux
foundation,
thanks
for
coming
on
thanks
my
pleasure,
thanks
for
sharing
we're
just
talking
before
the
camera
started
rolling
about
blockchain
the
coolness
around
the
hype
around
it.
B
But
again
the
hype
cycle
is
usually
a
pretext
to
the
trend.
Hyperledger
is
one
of
those
exciting
projects
that,
like
ai,
everyone
is
jazzed
about,
because
it's
the
future
right
open
source
is
getting
bigger
and
bigger,
as
jim
zemlin
was
saying,
23
million
developers
and
growing,
but
there's
still
so
much
work
to
be
done.
The
global
society
is
relying
on
open
source.
It's
shaping
our
culture.
C
B
So
your
thoughts
well
first
before
we
start,
let's
get
into
the
hyperledger
project.
It's
certainly
super
exciting.
Probably
people
are
talking
about
it
heavily.
What's
going
on
with
the
project,
give
a
quick
update.
What's
the
purpose
who's
involved
and
what
are
some
of
the
milestones
you
guys
have.
C
Well,
hyperledger
is
less
than
two
years
old.
It
was
launched
officially
in
december
of
2015.
I
joined
in
may,
and
it
was
founded
on
the
principle
that
hey
there's
a
lot
of
interesting
stuff
happening
in
the
cryptocurrency
world,
but
there
might
be
some
more
prosaic,
some
more
directly
applicable
applications
of
distributed,
ledger
and
smart
contract
technology
to
rebooting
a
lot
of
otherwise
very
thorny
problems
for
industries
in
the
world.
C
The
main
problem
being
you've
got
companies
doing
business
with
each
other
and
they're
recording
transactions,
and
you
know
they'll
have
to
go
back
and
reconcile
their
systems
to
get
audited
books
right
and
a
lot
of
the
systems
out.
There
depend
upon
processes
that
are
very
human
processes
that
are
prone
to
error
prone
to
corruption
right.
So
the
idea
is
the
more
that
you
can
pull
together.
C
You
know
information
about
transactions
into
a
shared
system
of
record,
which
is
really
what
the
distributed
ledger
and
then
the
more
about
of
the
governance
and
the
and
the
business
processes
and
flows
that
you
can
automate
by
smart
contract.
The
more
effective
the
more
efficient
a
lot
of
these
markets
will
be.
So
that's
what
hyperledger.
B
Is
about
okay,
so
certainly
the
keynote
was
all
about
open
sources
being
dependent
upon,
and
jim
zemlin
as
well
as
christine
corbett
said.
You
know
true
labor
distributed
control.
We
all
know
that
open
source,
but
I
love
that
the
point
about
changing
the
face
of
capitalism,
because
hyper
ledger
is
a
term
that
you
can
almost
apply
to
the
notion
of
decentralized,
not
just
distributed
but
decentralized
business,
so
the
notion
of
supply
chain
things
in
finance
to
moving
goods
around
the
world.
This
is
interesting.
B
C
Because
the
word
distributed
can
be
very
loaded
right,
you
know,
and
even
decentralized
right
it
can
be
very
loaded
and
what
I,
what
I've
tried
to
popularize
is
the
idea
of
minimum
viable
centralization
right.
You
know
football
games
and
other
sports
games
have
referees
right
and
when
we
play
a
game
like
this,
well
sometimes
you
know.
Sometimes
we
don't
need
a
referee,
it's
just
us
playing
pickup
basketball,
but
sometimes
we
want
somebody
on
the
periphery.
C
You
want
to
know
where
that
came
from
and
it
and
it
involves
that
industry
getting
together
and
saying
we
all
agree.
We
have
a
big
net
interest
in
making
our
business
actually
follow.
Certain
rules
and
norms
right
and
using
a
distributed
ledger
to
to
to
bring
that
about
is
something
that
can
just
provide
a
lot
of
optimizations
out
there.
So.
B
So
most
people
think
of
like
bitcoin
and
ethereum
as
the
with
all
this
ico,
buzz
as
the
as
the
front
end
to
really
the
underlying
block
chain
which
you're
talking
about
yeah
and
that's
kind
of.
Like
I
get
that
fiat
currency,
this
market
develops
some
tulip
craze
bubble.
Some
people
call
it
whatever
but
you're
getting
at
something
unique,
and
this
is
that
there's
a
real
business
value
of
hyper
ledger,
I
won't
say,
boring,
but
it's
like
meat
and
potato
stuff.
It's
like
really
kind
of
prozac
is
the
word
prosaic
it's
like,
but
it's
disruptive.
B
So,
if
you
think
about
like
the
old
days
when
we
were
growing
up-
or
I
was
growing
up,
erp
was
on
mini
computers,
enterprise
resource
planning,
customer
relations,
management,
software.
Those
were
bloated,
monolithic
software
packages,
yeah
still
out
there
today
and
they
handle
the
so-called
supply
chain
right.
So
is
the
hyper
ledger,
a
disruption
to
that?
Is
it
an
augmentation
of
that.
C
When
really
all
that
could
be
automated,
you
could
cut
the
cost
of
that
and
take
the
shipping
industry
from
what
is
right
now,
a
money
losing
industry
to
potentially
being
viable
once
again,
so
optimization
is
really
critical
for
them.
It's
optimization,
but
but
there's
also
some
new
capabilities
here.
So
I
spent
a
year
at
the
department
of
health
and
human
services
trying
to
help
make
healthcare
records
more
portable.
C
For
for
patients
right
and
we
wrote
it
and
got
got
the
industry
to
write
a
ton
of
open
source
software
implemented
open
standards
to
make
these
records
shareable.
But
the
problem
was
the
patient
wasn't
involved
right.
This
was
about
trying
to
take
two
orgs
due
something
that
all
of
their
bean
counters
told
them
not
to
do,
which
was
share
patient
records,
because
no
that's
proprietary
value.
C
Blocking
with
blockchain
technology,
though,
we
can
reinvent
that
as
a
patient-driven
process
right,
we
could
reinvent
a
lot
of
the
other
business
processes
out
there
that
involve
personally
identifiable
information.
Like
the
equifax
disaster
right,
we
could
reinvent
how
the
credit
markets
assess
risk
in
individuals
through
blockchain
technology,
in
a
way
that
doesn't
require
us
to
build
these
big
central
anonymous.
Third
parties
that
hoover
everybody's
data
become
these
massive
privacy
titanics
right.
We
can
reinvent
a
lot
of
this
through
blockchain
tech
and
that's
a
lot
of
what
we're
working
on
at
hyperledger.
A
So
linux
foundation's
in
a
kind
of
a
unique
place,
because
you're
used
to
driving
these
big
open
source
projects,
there's
a
lot
of
people
trying
to
build
the
wrapper
around
the
base
core
of
blockchain
to
come
up
with
their
version
or
their
kind
of
application.
If
you
will,
whether
it
be
bitcoin
or
whatever,
but
you
guys
are
in
kind
of
a
special
place
based
on
your
roots.
C
We
believe
that
I
mean
open
standards
are
nice,
but
what
really
matters
is
common
code
right
and
in
a
world
like
we
envision
where,
rather
than
saying,
you've
got
one
big
network
like
bitcoin
or
one
big
network
like
ethereum.
You've
got
thousands
or
tens
of
thousands
of
these
permission,
networks
that
cover
different
industries,
different
geographies,
different
regions.
C
What
you
need
is
common
software,
so
that,
when
a
developer
goes
to
work
on
an
application
that
touches
one
or
multiple
of
these
they've
got
familiar
idioms
to
work
with
they've
got
familiar
technologies
to
work
with
like
go
or
java
or
javascript
right,
but
they've
got
a
community
of
other
technologies,
been
trained
up
on
these
technologies
that
can
help
them
bootstrap
and
launch
their
project
and
maybe
even
become
a
contributor
to
the
open
source
project.
So
what
we've
figured
out
at
the
linux
foundation
is
how
to
make
that
virtuous
cycle
go
right.
B
You
mentioned
the
word:
you
can
almost
rethink
and
reimagine
some
of
these
things
like
the
equifax
disaster
yeah.
I
think
it's
pretty
much
a
no-brainer.
I
think
most
tech
people
are
really
seeing
this
as
viable.
Like
absolutely
it's
going
to
happen
so
there's
a
nice
trajectory
vision
that
people
are
buying
into
because
it's
almost
you
can
see
it
hanging
together
playing
out
technically
what
are
some
of
the
things
going
on
in
the
project?
Can
you
share
with
the
folks
watching
about
some
things
that
you're
doing
to
get
there
faster?
B
C
Process
so
we're
not
a
a
you
know,
an
r
d
kind
of
free
thinking,
kind
of
thing,
we're
about
to
get
writing
code
and
shipping
and
getting
into
production
right,
so
hyperledger
fabric
just
hit
a
1.0.
That
was
a
signal
from
the
developers
that
this
code
is
ready
to
be
run
in
production
systems
and
for
you
to
track
digital
assets
with
it
right
does
by
far
does
not
mean
it's
the
end
of
the
road.
C
If
it's
it's
the
end
of
chapter
one
right,
but
at
least
it's
a
place
where
we,
you
know,
the
kind
of
the
clear
intent
is:
let's
make
this
actually
usable
by
enterprises.
The
other
projects.
We've
got
eight
different
projects
total
at
hyperledger.
Some
of
them
even
compete
with
each
other
right,
but
we're
driving
all
of
them
to
get
to
a
1.0
and
over
time,
all
of
them
to
talk
about
how
they
relate
to
each
other
in
kind
of
complementary
ways
and.
B
What's
some
of
the
profile
of
developers
you're
getting
because
some
people
always
ask
how
should
I
get
involved?
What
can
I
sink
my
teeth
into?
What
are
some
of
the
meaty
kind
of
things
that
people
are
doing
with
it,
who's
the
persona
that
that
are
coming
in
these
enterprise
developers,
they're
more
traditional,
full
stack
developers?
Can
you
give
a
range
of
some
of
the
persona.
C
Attributes
because
this
is
early
code
still
I
mean
this
whole
space
is
still
pretty
early
when
it
comes
to
understanding
how
to
use
these
technologies,
especially
at
scale
kind
of
at
a
devops
scale.
A
lot
of
the
people
first,
coming
into
the
tech
community
now
are
fairly
advanced
right,
are
kind
of
the
whiz
kids
right,
but
we're
seeing
that
gradually
broad,
broaden
out
we're
now
at
a
point
where
we
could
use
developers
coming
in
and
writing
sample
applications
right.
C
B
Right
so
folks
watching
get
involved.
Okay
can
any
white
spaces
you
might
want
to
tease
them
out
with
that
you
see
happening.
Obviously
you
mentioned
tracking
digital
assets.
Data
is
assets,
that's
cool,
anything!
That's
going
on
with
data,
probably
as
a
digital
asset.
You'd
agree.
What's
some
of
the
things
that
that
people
could
get
motivated
on,
can
you
share
any
insight
that
you
might
have
that
would
motivate
someone
to
jump
in.
C
I
think
any
any
industry
has
these
challenges
of
weaving
their
systems
together
with
other
businesses
and
then
trying
to
do
that
in
a
way
that
holds
each
other
into
account
right.
This
is
a
system
for
building
systems
of
record
between
organizations
right
and
you
know,
you're
running
a
database
me
running
a
database.
We
don't
get
there
on
our
own.
B
Similar
concept,
where
blockchain
is
one
big,
happy
family
collaborative
network,
all
right
final
question
for
you
kind
of
shooting
it
for
a
little
bit.
What
do
you
expect
to
happen
with
the
community
any
thoughts
on
some
of
the
goals
you
have
as
executive
director?
Obviously,
you
got
some
hackathons
for
good
we're,
seeing
blockchain
being
applied
to
some
real
things
with
1.0.
C
I
massively
grow
the
developer
community,
both
the
you
know
the
one
end
of
the
spectrum,
which
is
the
the
whiz
kids.
The
hardcore
developers
to
you
know,
move
forward
on
on
a
kind
of
the
leading
edge
of
that,
but
really
we've
got
to
bring.
You
know:
100
000
developers
into
this
space
over
the
next
couple
years,
just
to
meet
the
demand.
That's
there
in
the
industry.
For
that
talent,
all
right.
B
C
For
every
one
of
our
projects,
if
you
give
gave
it
an
hour,
you'd
get
to
a
running,
you
know,
instance
of
that
software
right
so
fabric
or
sawtooth.
Within
an
hour,
you
should
have
a
running
four
node
instance
that
you
can
start
writing
chain
code
to
which
is
the
smart
contract,
language
right
and
and
then
from
there
getting
involved
in
the
community
is
a
matter
of
joining
mailing
lists.
C
B
Comments
just
on
a
good
note
here
is
that
christina
gave
him
the
keynote
she
says
code
can
shape
culture
you've
been
in
the
industry
a
long
time,
you've
seen
the
wave
you've
been
on
the
shoulders
of
others,
and
now,
as
the
open
source
goes
to
the
next
level,
how
is
code
going
to
shape
the
culture?
In
your
opinion,
how
should
people
start
working
together
to
take
that,
I
would
say
almost
not
a
moon
shot,
but
it's
really
more
of
an
imperative
that
culture
will
be
changed.
Inclusion
also
is
huge.
Your
thoughts
on
code,
shaping
culture.
C
So
we've
we've
had
a
decline
in
the
trust
and
institutions
in
the
united
states
and
worldwide,
not
just
in
the
last
seven
months
since
november,
but
actually
for
the
last
20
years.
There's
edelman
does
this
survey
every
year
where
they
ask
you
your
trust
in
brands,
your
trust
in
government,
your
trust
in
the
process,
the
fairness
of
this
of
society
and
for
20
years,
that's
been
on
a
straight-line
decline
to
the
point
where
we
ask
ourselves
like:
can
you
trust
any
level
of
government?
Can
you
trust
businesses
to
look
out
for
your
interest?
C
The
answer
almost
generically
is
going
to
be.
No.
This
is
a
technology
that
can
save
us.
This
is
a
technology
that
we,
I
believe,
can
help
us
define
the
rules
of
the
game,
help
us
build
society,
but
then
actually
automate
and
implement
that
in
a
way
that
doesn't
require
us
to
have
to
bribe
an
official
or
curry
favor
with
a
school
official
to
get
our
kid
into
that
school
or
anything
like
that.
This
is
a
way
to
try.
I
think,
to
make
the
world
more
accountable
and
more
fair.
B
And
open
source
has
that
inclusive
and
staying
away
from
the
gerrymandering.
I
love
the
quote:
it's
so
confusing!
Now
it's
like
who
do
you
ask
where's
the
source
of
truth
and
it
used
to
be
rtfm
and
check
the
source
code.
Now
there
is
no
manual
who
is
the
source
fake
news,
all
these
bots?
I
mean
it's
kind
of
crazy,
so
this
is
a
call
to
arms
open
source.
I
think
it
is.
I
think
it
really
is
trust
as
a
service.
Okay,
brian
thanks.
So
much
for
coming
on
thecube
appreciate
it.