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From YouTube: JAX London 2017 Interview Brian Behlendorf Hyperledger
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"We want the [Hyperledger] technologies to be easier to install, easier to use, easier to climb the learning curve with." JAXenter editor Gabriela Motroc caught up with Brian Behlendorf, Executive Director of Hyperledger at JAX London 2017 to talk about frameworks like Hyperledger Fabric and Indy, what's next for this open source collaborative effort, how to make blockchain more digestible and more.
B
A
B
You
mean
the
governance
of
the
projects-
yes,
oh
yeah,
so
I
think
technologies
are
built
not
by
individuals
but
by
communities.
Right
occasionally,
you
have
a
company
that
puts
forward
something,
but
most
often
it's
built
by
lots
of
bright
people
working
in
concert
right
and
in
the
old
days
it
used
to
be.
You
had
to
hire
them
all
into
your
business.
To
do
something
you
know,
that's
why
Bell
Labs,
you
know-
or
these
you
know,
famous
big
companies
were
IBM
or
whoever
had
these
giant
research
teams.
B
But
from
about
the
time
that
the
internet
kind
of
arrived,
we've
been
able
to
figure
out.
How
do
we
build
these
complex
systems
using
people
in
very
far
flung
locations
right
and
using
help
from
people
who
didn't
you
know
want
to
be
full-time
builders
of
plumbing
but
wanted
to
build
something
on
top
and
what
open
source
allows
us
to
do
is
read
how
to
work
enough
here
to
make
our
lives
easier,
so
we
can
actually
go
out
and
build
something
up
there
right
and
that's
the
story
of
Linux.
That's
the
story
of
Apache
right.
B
This
is
now
20
years
in
there
are
patterns
to
how
to
build
a
really
healthy
open-source
community
and
so
with
hyper
ledger
as
part
of
the
Linux
Foundation.
That's
our
number
one
focus.
You
know
the
technology
is
interesting
and
innovative.
We
want
to
learn
and
incorporate
lots
of
new
ideas
at
its
heart.
That's
why
getting
doves
to
have
to
be
able
to
work
together
and
build
these
projects
into
the
multi
developer
or
multi
stakeholder
multi,
vendor
kinds
of
projects
and.
B
Well,
I
mean
this
year:
we've
done
a
lot
of
important
things.
We've
added
some
additional
projects
that
touch
on
the
etherium
community
and
technology
stack
that
touch
on
identity.
We
hit
a
one
auto
release
of
fabric,
which
is
kind
of
our
one
of
our
core
platforms,
and-
and
really
this
is
a
train
where
you
know
there
stops
on
that
track,
which
are
1.1,
1.2,
1.3
releases
of
fabric,
so
that
will
be
important.
B
It
keeps
you
in
to
see
continued
sawtooth
likely
had
a
1
dot
o
before
the
end
of
the
year
as
well,
and
other
technologies
like
hyper
ledger
in
d,
are
already
being
used
in
production,
and
so
we
expect
to
see
that
also
get
to
a
release.
Otherwise
it's
just
really
growing
the
community.
You
know
it's
adding
getting
more
developers
getting
more
companies
involved.
You
have
now
over
160
different
organizations
who
are
paying
members
of
hyper
ledger
like
actually
committed
and
lots
more,
who
use
the
technology
beyond
that.
You
know
so
growing.
B
That
is
interesting
to
us,
because
that
helps
establish
the
we
want
to
become
the
default
we
wanted
once
if
you
want
to
build
a
decentralized
environment,
decentralized
infrastructure
in
cooperation
with
a
bunch
of
others,
we
want.
The
first
thing
you
think
of
to
do
is
pull
some
technologies
down
from
hyper.
B
So
you
could
think
of
fabric
kind
of
like
an
Apache
web
server.
It's
a
piece
of
software
that
sits
on
a
box,
a
server
or
an
instance
in
the
cloud
whatever
that
is
your
homestead
on
the
the
distributed
ledger
right,
yeah
and
so
in
a
distributed
sure,
it's
you
it's
20
or
a
hundred
other
participating
organizations
who
all
agree
to
have
this
common
ledger.
B
Ledger
setting
will
be
standing
up
these
nodes,
alright
and
companies
like
Oracle
and
IBM
and
others,
but
but
basically
I,
think
every
cloud
company
is
going
to
be
offering
this
blockchain
as
a
service
or
Ledger
as
a
service
type
of
thing,
not
only
to
make
it
easier
for
companies
to
have
that
connection
and
stand
it
up,
but
also
because
the
more
diverse
your
ledger,
the
more
participants
there
are,
it's
kind
of
like
having
more
witnesses
to
a
contract.
Right
like
it
increases
the
verifiability
of
the
trustworthiness
of
those
transactions.
B
B
Were
there
are
lots
of
different
protocols,
lots
of
different
languages,
and
it
took
something
like
the
Apache
web
server
and
the
mosaic
browser
to
make
this
understandable
for
people
and
make
it
easy
to
see
how
these
pieces
fit
together
and
so
in
hyper
ledger?
Hopefully
you
know
each
of
the
projects
will
become
easier
to
install,
but
we
also
added
a
project
called
composer,
which
is
a
development
environment
for
building
blockchain
business
networks.
B
Think
of
it
that
way,
so
it
allows
you
to
pretty
high
level
almost
at
a
business
user
level
to
define
what
you
want
to
do.
You
know
the
types
of
actors
on
that
chain,
the
types
of
business
processes,
and
then
it
spits
out
a
smart
contract
code
for
you
right
and
makes
it
easy
to
move
from
not
knowing
anything
to
being
able
to
have
a
running
system.
B
So
we've
done
these
hackathons
recently
which
have
been
around
you
know
some
challenge
you
know
like
like
find
a
Social
Impact
application
right
and
we've
been
able
to
take
developers
who
or
curious
about
this
and
want
to
learn
more.
They
maybe
they're
familiar,
are
comfortable
on
the
command
line,
but
not
really
like,
like
hacker
types
but
are
able
to
over
the
course
of
you
know,
starting
on
Saturday
morning
by
Sunday
midday
having
a
demo
to
show
that
illustrates
a
whole
set
of
ideas
right
and
that's
that
feels
great.
B
B
You
know
today
when
I
want
to
know
where
to
eat
around
town,
I,
look
at
Google,
Maps,
right
and
so
I
think
it'll
transform
a
lot
of
middlemen,
it'll,
certainly
cut
a
lot
of
margin
out
of
being
a
middleman
and
because
it'll
make
the
right
kind
of
middleman
would
be
somebody
who'll
be
more
like
a
referee
on
a
football
field,
then
a
message
passing
hub
right
and
you
know
there'll
be
rules.
They'll
be
they'll,
be
ways
the
businesses
talk
directly
to
each
other,
but
those
businesses
want
a
governance
mechanism.
B
What
the
what
the
acceptable
business
processes
are,
what
the
how
the
community
works
and
what
happens
if
there's
a
bug
that
causes
a
bad
actor
to
steal
from
others
right,
we
will
need
organizations
that
help
us
correct
for
those
kinds
of
things,
even
in
a
distributed
ledger,
but
the
more
we
can
automate
the
more
governance
that
we
can
actually
embed
as
software
in
smart
contracts
and
in
the
validation
logic
on
the
ledger
itself,
the
the
more
that
we
can
keep
fraud
from
happening
in
the
first
place.
The.
A
B
B
We're
also
used
to
like
sit
down,
write,
an
app
and
and
deploy
it
and
never
having
to
really
ask
permission
or
if
we
do
just
one
boss,
and
these
things
are
community
technologies
right,
there's,
no
such
thing
as
a
blockchain
of
one,
so
one
of
the
hardest
bits,
if
for
any
company
to
think
about
and
I
think
this
means
for
developers
is
when
you're
coming
up
with
your
idea,
talk
to
other
people,
even
other
people
at
other
companies.
What
can
we
build?