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From YouTube: Panel Discussion: Carbon Accounting Digital Trust Pilo... Nancy Norris, David Boswell, Kyle Robinson
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Panel Discussion: Carbon Accounting Digital Trust Pilot With Hyperledger Indy/Aries - Nancy Norris, Government of British Columbia; David Boswell, Hyperledger Foundation & Kyle Robinson, Mines Digital Trust
This session will profile the Energy & Mines Digital Trust pilot project — an initiative from the British Columbia (B.C.) government — that is utilizing Hyperledger Indy and Hyperledger Aries to create a digital ecosystem that will allow mining and natural gas operators to provide verifiable proof of their carbon emissions and sustainability efforts. In partnership with multiple stakeholders, this initiative focuses on developing core digital infrastructure, based on self-sovereign identities and digital credentials, to offer better ways to exchange information between government regulators, corporations, auditors, and non-governmental organizations.
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A
Thanks
everybody
for
joining
this
session,
this
is
going
to
be
a
panel
discussion,
so
we
welcome
your
questions.
My
name
is
David.
Boswell
I
have
a
few
questions
to
start
with,
but
again
we
hopefully
will
have
time
to
you
know,
take
any
of
your
questions
that
you
have
for
our
panelists
I'll
introduce
myself
quickly.
I
am
the
senior
community.
Our
senior
director
of
community
architecture
at
hyperledger
I
also
am
involved
with
hyperledger's
climate
action
and
accounting
special
interest
group.
If
you're
not
familiar
with
that
group,
you
are
certainly
welcome
to
get
involved.
A
It
is
an
open,
Community
effort
to
look
at.
How
do
we
take
the
blockchain
Technologies
being
developed
by
the
community
and
apply
them
to
climate
related
use
cases?
If
you
go
to
wiki.hyperledger.org,
there's
a
link
to
the
climate
action
in
accounting
and
special
interest
group
there
again
you're
welcome
to
get
involved.
You
can
sign
up,
they
have
a
mailing
list.
A
You
can
subscribe
to
that
list,
introduce
yourself
and
you
can
get
notified
of
upcoming
meetings,
and
one
of
the
upcoming
meetings
will
feature
our
panelists,
who
will
be
speaking
more
about
the
project
they're
involved
with
that
is
coming
up,
I
believe
on
October
4th,
so
that
will
be
a
virtual
meeting
where
you
can
dial
in
from
anywhere.
So,
if
you're
interested
in
about
what
you're
learning
today
and
you
want
to
learn
more,
please
join
us
for
that
as
well,
and
with
that,
let
me
start
in
and
introduce
our
panelists.
We
have
Nancy
Norris.
B
One
I'm
Nancy
Norris
thanks
for
joining
us
today,
I
work
for
the
government
of
British
Columbia.
My
title
is
senior
director
of
ESG
and
digital
trust
and
the
ministry
that
I
work
for
is
energy
minds
and
low
carbon
innovation,
and
for
the
last
two
years
we've
been
piloting
this
project
that
we're
going
to
be
speaking
to
you
about
today.
It's
called
the
energy
and
Minds
digital
Trust.
C
A
B
We
also
have
very
strong
climate
legislation
in
BC,
and
so
what
we
have
done
is
apply
this
digital
identity
technology
for
individuals
and
we're
piloting
it
at
the
organizational
level.
What
we're
doing
is
mapping
Us
in
the
use
case
that
we're
going
to
be
talking
to
you
about.
Today
we
are
building
on
an
existing
regulatory
process
where
companies
large
emitters
in
BC
are
required
to
submit
their
carbon
emissions
data
to
the
government
and
they're
required
to
do
so
using
verified,
audited
reporting.
A
C
So
as
it
stands
even
today,
with
the
business
process
for
carbon
emission
reporting,
the
there's
an
auditor
required
to
verify
any
emissions
over
25
000
carbon
co2e,
and
so
that
is
the
existing
process.
It's
written
into
legislation
that
needs
to
be
verified,
and
so
essentially
the
process
right
now
is
to
email,
some
PDFs
around
that
have
been
signed,
so
we're
taking
the
existing
process
and
advancing
that
to
use
verifiable
credential
technology.
C
The
stack
that
we're
using
is
actually,
on
top
of,
as
Nancy
mentioned,
the
organizational
identities
that
the
BC
government
is
using.
So
that's
hyperledger,
Indie
and
hyperledger
Aries
with
the
non-creds
credential
types,
and
so
that's
again
all
around
the
organization
and
identity.
The
emissions
reporting
is
an
annual
process
and
that's
one
of
the
pieces
of
their
identity
that
they
can
share.
A
B
Broadly,
the
government
of
BC
is
interested
and
has
been
working
quite
extensively
in
digital
identity
for
individuals.
We
see
the
value
for
industry
in
British
Columbia,
because
sustainability
reporting
is
something
that
has
been
is
more
and
more
prevalent,
and
we
see
that
it
is
only
going
to
continue
to
be
a
demand
on
Industries
within
BC.
B
Bc
is
a
natural
resource-rich
jurisdiction,
so
our
mining,
Industries
and
others
are
a
big
part
of
our
economy,
and
we
want
to
test
out
the
use
of
verified
credentials
in
this
space
because
we
think-
and
we've
been
finding
over
the
course
of
this
pilot-
that
the
use
of
these
kind
of
credentials
can
actually
add
business
efficiencies
to
existing
processes,
for
example,
large
emitters.
As
you've
been
saying,
they
are
legislated
to
provide
their
Emissions
on
an
annual
basis
to
the
government.
B
They
can
also
use
those
reports
for
other
type
of
sustainability,
reporting
purposes
like
voluntary
markets
or
investors,
potential
investors
that
are
interested
in
ESG
and
sustainability,
or
purchasers
Downstream
who
are
interested
in
their
performance.
But
at
the
moment
the
the
processes
around
that
are
really
just
what
Kyle
and
I
have
found.
Basically,
you
know
doing
this
pilot.
The
processes
are
really
involved
so
for
big,
sophisticated
companies.
They
have
whole
sustainability
departments
who
do
this
kind
of
reporting
for
the
small
minds
and
operators.
B
They
are
missing
out
on
big
business
opportunities,
because
it's
just
too
complicated
for
them
to
have
to
have
to
have
to
report
in
all
of
these
different
ways
to
all
of
these
different
audiences.
So
if
we
can
help
design
a
credential
that
can
be
shared
with
others
within
the
digital
ecosystem
and
also
bits
and
pieces
of
that,
information
can
be
shared
with
different
audiences.
We
see
a
lot
of
efficiency
there.
B
B
Sure
so
the
improvements
I
would
say
are
around
as
I
was
saying
before
this
ability
to
share
the
information
in
a
trusted
manner
with
multiple
different
audiences
there's,
also
a
efficiency
angle
in
terms
of
being
able
to
have
multiple
different
credentials,
so
not
just
the
emissions
credential
that
we're
working
on
now.
This
is
the
first
use
case
that
we've
really
been
piloting,
but
we're
also
looking
to
Pilot
other
use.
B
Cases
such
as
the
mining
Association
of
Canada
has
a
towards
sustainable
mining
protocol,
which
covers
off
not
just
the
environmental
and
climate
performance
of
minds,
but
also
their
work
with
the
community,
how
they
their
the
governance
of
the
of
the
mine
as
well,
and
so
we
want
to
work
with
them
in
order
to
create
a
credential.
That
is
a
verified
credential
for
the
TSM.
B
That
would
improve
sustainability
reporting
for
those
Minds,
because
they
could
then
share
that
credential
with
multiple
different
audiences,
including
potentially
the
London
medals
exchange,
which
is
setting
up
a
digital
passport
for
sustainability.
So
we
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
opportunities
here
for
taking
efficiency
and
also
to
improve
and
open
new
business
markets
for
them.
For
the
operators
within
the
province.
A
C
Thing
so,
as
mentioned
we're
using
Indie
and
Aries
as
our
base
stack
for
this
for
this
use
case
again,
it's
a
self-sovereign
identity
model
where
the
credentials
are
informing
the
identity
on
the
emissions
reporting.
Again,
that's
an
annual
one.
So
every
year
they
will
have
a
credential
added
to
their
wallet.
C
One
of
the
things
that
we're
specifically
using
for
for
our
Aries
for
the
organizations
is
we're
using
acupai
and
so
we're
actually
looking
at
standing
up
multi-tenant
solution
for
the
BC
government
to
specifically
use
that
will
actually
be
an
instance
of
occupy
multi-tenant
and
we're
building.
Our
team
is
specifically
building
a
traction
tenant
UI.
So
on
your
handouts,
you'll
see
a
section
on
there
about
traction.
We
have
a
GitHub
repository
to
where
that
code
base
is
it's
right.
C
So
and
one
of
the
partners
that
we're
working
closely
with
is
the
climate
action
Secretariat,
and
so
they
in
this
use
case
they
are
a
verifier
they'll,
be
receiving
proofs
from
these
emission.
The
large
companies
that
do
the
emissions
so
back
to
traction,
there's
a
tenant
UI
and
we're
just
about
to
start
building
out
what
we
call
The
Innkeeper
UI,
which
is
really
an
administrative
tool
for
creating
new
tenants
and
assigning
the
keys
out
to
those
different
divisions,
departments.
A
B
B
C
Yes,
that's
and
so
on.
Governance
has
become
a
very
important
part
of
our
project.
The
technology
is
also
important,
but
we're
finding
that
the
governance
is
maybe
even
more
important.
So
our
journey
there,
really
a
big
shout
out
to
trust
over
IP,
has
been
working
with
us
where
we've
been
working
with
them
on
the
governance
side
of
this
whole
world
that
we're
working
in
and
so
working
on
the
documentation
standards.
C
What
the
kind
of
things
need
to
have
governance
Associated
to
them
all
of
the
different
pieces
of
an
ecosystem
need
to
have
governance
risk
assessment
done.
So
those
are
all
very
important,
and
we've
been
working
on
governance,
documentation,
we're
very
I,
would
say
early
stages,
but
very
close
to
having
actual
governance.
A
B
Yeah
I
would
say
another
lesson
that
we've
learned
is
that
it's
you
know,
there's
the
technology,
there's
the
governance,
but
then
there's
also
this
whole
process
around
building
an
ecosystem
of
participants,
which
is
it's
been
a
fascinating
process,
because
we,
you
know,
we
have
some
early
adopters.
The
Pilot's
been
going
on
for
a
couple
of
years,
we've
put
together
a
a
sort
of
an
initial
team
of
folks
from
the
public,
private
sector
and
ngos,
and
for
them
it
was
an
easy
step.
They
they
were
Keen.
B
They
were
wanted
to
be
a
part
of
something
Innovative.
But
when
talking
about
this
project
to
folks
who
aren't
as
averse
in
the
technology
I,
maybe
don't
understand
the
benefits.
We've
realized
that
we
have
to
have
a
whole
team
that
helps
with
communication
and
change
management
to
assist
us
when
we
go
and
talk
to
new
stakeholders
who,
we
think
would
be
a
great
sort
of
part
of
a
use
case
or
as
building
out
the
pilots,
but
they
they.
B
A
D
D
B
B
So,
right
now
for
our
Pilots,
each
of
the
actors
within
the
pilot
has
a
wallet
and
is
able
to
do
the
exchange.
Kyle
and
his
team
have
done
an
amazing
job
of
deciding
and
helping
to
design
the
schema
for
the
credential
and
making
sure
that
it
aligns
with
what's
legislated,
what's
required
through
legislation.
B
We
are
starting
to
think
about.
You
know
ways
in
which
we
can
assist
with
making
that
happen
for
each
of
the
the
actors
within
the
existing
use.
Cases
and
I
think
that
it's
going
to
be
because
you
know
as
a
government,
we
are
only
one
actor
within
this
ecosystem
right
like
we're,
we're
incubating
it,
because
we
feel
that
we're
in
a
good
position
to
bring
together
public
private
users
of
the
technology,
but
we're
only
one
actor
within
the
system.
B
So
we
think
that
it's
going
to
be
at
least
another
year
or
two
of
us
being
the
the
drivers,
I
guess
of
this
ecosystem
in
order
to
push
it
past
the
the
pilot
stage
and
actually
get
it
integrated
into
the
systems
of
each
of
the
users
and
then,
at
a
certain
point,
it's
like
any
ecosystem.
It's
going
to
take
on
a
life
of
its
own,
and
at
that
point
you
know
the
governance
is
going
to
be
key.
You
know
whether
the
governance,
documentation
and
systems
are
in
place
so
that
it
can
expand
in
a
way.
C
Just
to
add
to
that
there's
you
know
sort
of
two
main
things
that
our
team
is
really
working
on,
and
one
of
them
is
that
a
government-wide
service
for
doing
self-sovereign
identity,
and
so
our
team
is
working
hard
on
getting
that
code
base,
ready
that
the
traction
component
and
then
we're
going
to
work
with
the
ministry
of
Citizen
Services,
who
will
most
likely
host
and
run
that
in
as
a
production
service.
So
you
know
we're
talking
with
them.
They're
very
excited.
C
John
Jordan
is
a
part
of
that
I
know
a
lot
of
you
know
John
Jordan.
He
wanted
to
be
here,
and
so
that's
the
one
piece.
The
other
piece
specific
to
the
use
case
is
I
I
like
to
always
say
that
for
these
kinds
of
truss
triangles,
the
value
is
with
the
verifier
for
the
most
part.
Okay,
and
so
you
can
have
a
an
issuer
and
a
holder,
and
if
there's
no
verifier,
then
you
don't
have
your
triangle.
It
it
falls
apart.
C
You
can,
you
can
issue
credentials
to
Holders
all
day
long
and
if
they
can't
present
them
to
anybody,
then
there's
nothing
so
working
backwards.
Looking
at
the
verifier,
in
this
case,
the
climate
action
Secretariat
for
the
regulatory
reporting
and
then
also
the
voluntary
reporting
piece
with
the
open
Earth,
so
we're
working
with
them
so
focusing
on
the
verifiers
making
sure
that
they
are
ready
and
you
know,
sort
of
your
typical
I.T
fashion.
You
know
doing
change
management
training,
getting
the
server
set
up
and
again
the
climate
action
Secretariat
would
use
that
service.
C
A
C
You
know
what
is
the
data
that
we're
moving
around
and
what's
what
standard
is
it?
Can
you
use
the
same
standard
for
voluntary
reporting
and
Regulatory
reporting,
and
so
we
explored
a
number
of
ESG
standards,
so
tcfd
a
number
of
those
kinds
of
things,
and
we
talked
to
our
issuer
in
our
example:
price,
water
host,
Coopers
to
say:
okay,
well,
what
kinds
of
things
would
you
be
able
to
issue
and
there's
a
few
different
things
that
they
can
actually
issue?
C
The
one
very
specific
one
that
we're
looking
at
is
called
a
verification
statement
and
that's
the
actual
legislated
piece
of
data
set
that
needs
to
be
part
of
that
emissions
reporting.
So
our
current
standard
we're
limiting
it
to
just
what's
written
into
legislation
that
verification
statement
but
very
easily.
That
could
be
extended
to
use
to
have
pricewaterhousecoopers
just
issue
another
credential
to
in
our
use
case,
Copper,
Mountain,
mine
or
one
of
the
large
emitters,
so
that
they
can
have
a
number
of
credentials
issued
in
the
same
process
that
they
could
use
for
different
processes.
C
E
F
You
mentioned
verifiers
and
how
important
verifiers
in
it
in
the
community
are
one
of
the
things
I
wondered
in
looking
at
your
picture
here
is,
is:
are
you
getting
much
from
Copper
Mountain
or
the
the
The
Producers
on?
Where
else
they
want
to
use
the
credentials
and
what
other
value
they
see
for
where
they
can
use
them
in
other
scenarios?
Are
you
seeing
that,
at
all.
B
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question.
The
short
answer
is
yes,
and
particularly
this
credential,
the
carbon
accounting
credential,
there's
I
from
the
interviews
and
the
work
that
we're
doing
with
Copper
Mountain.
They
see
opportunities
for
like
reputational
gains
by
being
able
to
share
this
with
a
voluntary
reporting
platforms.
B
C
And
and
just
to
add
to
that
on
a
technical
front,
one
of
the
things
that
we're
also
seeing
is
these
proofs.
So
in
in
the
regulatory
reporting
there's
an
emissions
report
that
needs
to
be
done
and
it's
a
lot
more
data
than
is
provided
by
that
third-party
verifier,
that
third-party
verifier
price
writer
host
Coopers.
They
verify
a
certain
set
of
data,
and
you
know,
let's
say
it's
10
attributes.
Well,
they
actually.
C
The
Copper
Mountain
needs
to
report
to
the
government
that
information
as
verified
data
plus
they
need
to
self-report
another
set
of
data
and
so
there's
a
combination
of
credentials
to
be
provided
in
a
single
proof,
even
self-attested
attributes.
So
that's
one
of
the
things
we're
digging
into
now
that
yeah.
E
G
First,
thanks
again
for
the
presentation-
and
you
mentioned
a
couple
of
times-
the
importance,
the
relevance
of
trust
and
verifications.
This
might
be
the
key
issues
in
the
development.
The
successful
development
of
this
digital
ecosystem
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
could
mention
which
have
been
so
far,
the
main
barriers
anyway
in
the
development
in
the
implementation
of
the
projects,
thanks.
B
Yeah
thanks
so
in
terms
of
barriers,
I
think
I
would
go
back
to
something
I
said
earlier,
which
is
around
the
education
piece
for
stakeholders
that
aren't.
As
you
know,
they
don't
know
as
much
about
blockchain.
They
don't
understand,
they
don't
have
any
background
with
digital
credentials
and
so
being
able
to
explain
the
potential
benefits
to
them
and
also
being
able
to
help
them
to
see
what
the
what
the
benefits
are
for
them,
specifically
so
being
able
to
articulate
the
benefits
like
as
a
government
and
as
the
leaders
of
the
project.
B
We
have
an
understanding
of
what
the
benefits
are
for
us,
but
also
for
a
private
sector
business
for
regulator.
For,
like
a
voluntary
reporting
platform,
the
being
able
to
articulate
those
benefits
for
each
of
those
different
types
of
actors
has
been
really
important
way
of
making
the
bringing
the
pilot
forward.
C
B
B
You
have
to
have
a
much
broader
adoption,
so
I
think
that
the
scalability
factor
is
is
a
really
important
one
and
it
also
sort
of
speaks
back
to
the
idea
of
having
good
Communications.
You
know
we
have
a
team
of
folks
who
who
work
on
Communications
for
us
produced
the
the
pamphlet
that's
in
front
of
you.
That's
a
real,
been
a
really
important
factor
for
this
pilot
and
I.
Think
will
continue
to
be
to
be
important.
B
H
B
B
It's
very
important
that
we
make
sure
that
we're
not
talking
about
this
project
in
a
way
or
misrepresenting
what
we're
doing
like
this
is
not
what
we're
doing
within
this
pilot
isn't
a
replacement
for
the
existing
regulatory
process.
It
could
build
on
that
and
maybe
be
one
way
of
down
the
road
of
the
information
being
accepted
by
the
climate
action
Secretariat.
But
that's
that's
down
the
road.
That's
a
future
thing,
so
I
think
an
important
factor
is,
is
being
able
to
take
bite-sized
chunks.
B
A
To
wrap
up
I
had
one
other
question:
I
mean
you
mentioned
about
all
the
learning
that
you're
doing
in
the
pilot.
If
there's
anybody
in
the
audience
here
or
watching
remotely,
who
is
thinking
about
adopting
blockchain
for
a
climate
related
use
case,
is
there
any
guidance
that
you
would
give
them?
Is
there
anything
that
you
would
learn
that
you
would
think
would
apply
to
other
similar
related
projects?
C
We
meet
every
two
weeks,
yeah
yeah,
and
what
you'll
see
in
that
special
interest
group
is
not
just
Indian
Aries
solutions
for
your
carbon
accounting
use
cases
but
Fabric
and
other
hyper
Ledger
type
of
solutions,
but
all
in
that
realm
of
carbon
accounting,
so
that
that's
a
great
place
where
I
would
suggest
starting.
But
certainly
you
can
reach
out
to
us
or
David
yeah.
All.