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From YouTube: Women In Blockchain Season 2
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There has always been a general conception that technology is hostile to women. There are people who believe technology is not feminine. There are people who question the ability of a woman to start a business- they believe women are too risk-averse to start a new business .
Women in Blockchain tend to be the right platform to celebrate, educate and bring in amazing women from the field of Blockchain Technology who have placed their imprints in the world of tech - an area oftentimes associated with men. The event aims to be a Myth Breaker demonstrating to the World, how successful Women have overcome their barriers, to be World Class Leaders in Blockchain Technology.
Explore the opportunities for women as users of technology! Know the barriers in Women’s Participation as Innovators! Discover the role of women in shaping the future economy! Come !! Be a Part of Change . Join us in the Most Awaited Blockchain Panel Discussion!
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A
Good
morning,
good
afternoon,
good
evening,
everyone,
if
you
can
go
ahead
and
just
put
in
the
chat-
where
are
you
dialing
in
from
today?
That
would
be
great.
Thank
you
for
joining
us
today.
My
name
is
daniela
barbosa,
I'm
the
vice
president
of
worldwide
alliances
at
the
linux
foundation
with
the
hyperledger
project.
A
A
I
do
want
to
take
a
couple
of
seconds
to
acknowledge
that
we
are
still
in
the
middle
of
a
pandemic
around
the
world.
The
last
15
months
has
been
very
difficult
for
all
of
us.
Certainly
there's
no
doubt
about
it,
with
close
to
3.2
million
deaths
around
the
world
and
with
the
recent
horrific
number
of
cases
in
countries
like
brazil
and
india.
A
Sometimes
it's
hard
to
phantom,
how
we
just
keep
going
on,
and
you
know,
having
these
meetings
and
having
business
discussions,
but
we
do
this
because
we
are
resilient,
and
the
majority
of
us
in
the
blockchain
community
know
that
a
lot
of
the
work
that
we've
been
working
on
for
many
many
years
is
really
part
of
the
future
that
we
want
to
build.
That
will
hopefully
not
allow
pandemics
and
issues
like
this
occur
again
and,
quite
honestly,
we
have
to
build
it.
We
have
to
build
it
for
ourselves.
We
have
to
build
it
for
our
children.
A
We
have
to
build
it
for
one
another,
so
I
want
to
just
take
a
couple
of
seconds.
I
want
us
all,
especially
with
our
audience,
our
global
audience
and
many
of
you
in
india
this
morning
to
just
take
a
deep
breath
and
think
about
our
sisters,
our
brothers,
our
aunties,
our
parents,
our
grandparents,
all
our
friends
who
have
families
that
are
currently
struggling
with
covid
in
regions
and
just
keep
in
mind
that
together
we
are
stronger.
So
just
a
couple
seconds
deep
breath.
A
A
We
have
close
to
100
years
of
experience
combined
in
business,
educations,
working
in
standard
bodies
in
government
and
finance,
and
our
combined
experiences
are
really
well
suited
for
today's
discussion
on
how
blockchain
and
distributed
ledger
technologies
will
shape
the
future
of
a
global
economy
to
one
that
is
equal,
fair
and
open
to
all,
and
why
women
will
play
a
leading
role
in
this
future.
We're
already
seeing
that
quite
a
bit.
A
So
I
want
to
introduce
you
to
the
panelists
I'm
going
to
do
it
alphabetically
by
surname,
and
then
we
will
go
to
video
and
kind
of
see
each
other's
here.
So
alphabetically,
we'll
start
with
alex
alex
albano
is
the
chief
growth
officer
of
chainstack
for
blockchain
managed
services,
which
is
a
leader
in
the
market
she's
a
founder
of
the
blockchain
consultancy
at
china.
A
Labs
alex
has
previously
been
the
ceo
of
space
chain,
which
is
kind
of
cool
and
was
part
of
the
team
that
made
the
installation
of
a
bitcoin
node
on
the
international
space
station.
We
certainly
know
that
space
will
be
a
very
important
part
of
the
future
global
economy.
I
have
no
doubt
about
it,
and
maybe
that
will
come
up
in
our
discussions
today.
She's
also
a
founding
member
of
the
ocean
protocol,
a
decentralized
data
exchange
and
she
is
dialing
in
from
singapore
today.
Correct
awesome,
welcome
alex
next.
A
Next
we
have
leanne
kemp,
ceo
and
founder
of
everledger,
a
cue
agent,
professor,
a
future
industries
from
2018
to
2020.
She
was
the
queensland
chief
entrepreneur,
which
is
an
amazing
role
in
the
work
that
she
did.
There
she's
also
part
of
the
world
economics
global
future
council
on
manufacturing
and
blockchain.
A
Everledger
is
best
known
for
building
ethical
and
transparent
supply
chains,
including
what
I
usually
describe
as
a
girl's
best
blockchain,
which
is
the
diamond
industry,
and
she
advocates
building
a
circular
economy,
which
many
believe
is
the
key
to
the
future
global
economy
that
we
are
going
to
be
discussing
today.
Leanne
believes
that
companies
should
understand
that
they
themselves
are
major
stakeholders
in
our
common
future.
It's
not
just
the
participants
and
the
consumers
and
us
people,
but
the
companies
themselves
and
by
being
stakeholders
in
our
common
future.
A
A
Next
we
have
kristen
thomas
langerberger
if
I
said
that
correctly
she's
a
community
strategist
in
blockchain
based
out
of
tampa
florida
where
I'm
in
san
francisco.
I
forgot
to
mention
this
where
it's
11
o'clock
at
night-
and
I
was
like
oh
it's
late,
but
it's
2
a.m
in
the
morning,
so
fantastic
and
thank
you
so
much
for
joining
us
she's.
A
Also,
the
vice
chair
of
the
ieee
p2145
working
group
on
blockchain
dlt
governance
standards,
she's
managing
director
of
coalitions
consulting
a
firm
that
specializes
in
the
human
components
of
blockchain
systems,
governance,
trust
and
stakeholder
commitments,
so
obviously,
or
her
experience
is
going
to
be
very
valuable
in
our
discussions.
Certainly
with
human
elements
in
distributed
technology-
and
you
know
I'm
here
to
say
it's
not
just
the
tech
and
bros
in
the
back
that
are
doing
things
with
the
tech
and
that
it
all
runs
by
itself.
A
We
hopefully
we'll
get
to
that
as
well
and
last
but
not
least,
we
got
chile
zavari,
who
is
vp
of
marketing
strategy
at
blockchain
technology
partners.
In
the
past
she
was
a
senior
research
analyst
for
blockchain
dlt
at
451
research,
snp
global
market
intelligence.
If
anyone
has
the
pulse
on
what
is
happening
in
the
marketplace,
chile
is
certainly
one
of
those
people
in
the
panel
today
digging
into
the
solutions
in
the
markets
and
the
players.
A
A
We'll
start,
as
with
the
at
the
end
of
the
alphabet,
chile,
you're
up
first-
and
I
I
bet
you
were
always
called
last
in
class,
so
I
decided
to
call
you
first
today
and
go
ahead
and
introduce
yourself
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
what
you're
working
on
now.
That
is
relevant
to
our
discussion
around
the
future
economy
and
what
really
made
you
go
down.
The
path
of
blockchain
and
decentralized
technologies.
B
Yes,
so,
and
maybe
perhaps
something
interesting
is
how
my
first
professional
encounter
with
technology
overall,
it
was
sort
of
accidental
and
I
was
actually
thrown
in
at
the
deep
end.
I
I
found
myself,
I
mean
my
background,
I'm
an
economist,
that's
what
I
studied
and
I
have
a
masters
in
business
management
consulting
and
you
know,
as
I
was
put
into
the
world
of
I.t
research
and
innovation
without
knowing
anything
about
technology.
So
I
I
had
to.
B
Let's
say
that
in
early
2017
I
was
a
technology
industry
analyst
back
then
already
and
I
was
in
a
team
that
was
covering
cloud
transformation,
but
the
good
thing
was
that
we
had
some
liberty
to
look
at
various
areas
of
digital
innovation.
So
I
started,
I
know,
blockchain
technology
got
my
attention.
I
really
liked
the
fact
that
it
was
like
so
many
areas.
It
wasn't
just
about
technology
like
different
areas
were
coming
together
like
legal
business
and
things
like
that.
B
So
it
really
caught
my
attention
and
I
started
to
read
about
it
a
lot
and
then
I
started
to
write
reports
and
you
know
a
few
months
later,
I
I
became
officially
a
blockchain
analyst,
and
I
was
that
for
for
a
few
years-
and
now
earlier
this
year
I
joined
the
startup
world.
I
joined
blockchain
technology
partners,
it's
an
enterprise,
blockchain
startup
based
out
of
edinburgh,
I'm
in
barcelona
and
I'm
the
vp
of
marketing
and
strategy.
B
And
but
you
know
in
a
startup,
you
always
do
a
lot
of
different
things
right
and
one
thing
that
you
ask
that
what
am
I
working
right
right
now?
So
we
just
recently
launched
a
dlt
so-called
dlt
landscape,
which
is
an
open
source
initiative
which
is
sort
of
we
are
trying
to.
You
know,
make
sense
of
all
the
confusion
with
you
know,
with
the
with
the
vendor.
B
Landscape
in
ddlt
has
become
so
complex,
like
so
many
projects
out
there,
so
many
companies
innovating
in
in
very
different
areas
that
are
related
but
still
have
created
a
landscape
that
it's
it.
It
got
really
really
complex.
So
we
are
trying
to
make
sense
of
that.
With
this
initiative,
it's
open
source,
please
you
know
if
you
have
time
just
check
it
out,
check
it
out,
it's
dltlandscape.org.
A
Well,
defining-
and
you
know,
having
set
standards
that
you
can
look
towards
right.
That
you
understand
is
a
primary.
You
know
a
primary
thing
in
building
these
networks.
So
thank
you
for
for
that
work
that
you're
doing
kirsten
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
what
you're
working
on
that's
relevant
to
the
discussion
today,
and
you
know
what
make
you
what
got
you
here.
C
C
In
addition
to
that,
I
a
I
also
consult
blockchain
companies
on
the
human
side
of
blockchain
ecosystems,
which
is
an
area
that
I'm
very,
very
passionate
about
and
ties
into
how
I
got
into
the
space.
So
I
have
worked
on
a
bunch
of
different
software
startups
and
in
2018
2019
I
was
working
on
a
data
aggregation
tech
startup
that
ended
up
having
me
cross
paths
with
the
ethereum
space.
C
There
are
many
reasons
why
I
think
that
this
space
is
the
coolest
place
to
be
right
now,
but
I
would
say
off
the
top
of
my
head:
it's
truly
global
and
this
event
right
now
is
a
testament
to
that.
I've
had
so
many
awesome
opportunities
to
collaborate
with
people
from
all
over
the
world
on
various
projects,
because
this
is
distributed
technology,
it's
global,
distributed
technology,
and
in
addition
to
that,
I
just
think
blockchain
technology
has
so
much
infinite
value
to
provide
to
countless
countless
industries
out
there.
C
D
I
often
ask
myself
that
question:
how
did
I
get
here,
but,
most
importantly,
the
question
we
asked
was:
where
did
it
come
from
which
of
course
was
the
nexus
point
or
the
inflection
point
to
build
everledger
so
hi
to
everyone
from
india,
particularly
in
the
diamond
industry?
Surat
mumbai,
bangalore
jaipur,
you
know,
there's
no
secrets
about
where
everledger
started.
D
Today
we
also
looked
at
what
industries
potentially
could
be
most
conflicted
by
2030
and
2050,
and
parts
of
our
work
moving
forward
was
to
not
only
think
about
how
can
we
make
an
entirely
new
economic
structure
like
circular
economies
stick,
but
also,
how
do
we
prevent
a
blood
diamond
atrocity
in
another
industry
and,
of
course,
that's
stored
energy
in
batteries
and
a
lot
of
that
work?
We
began
in
2016
on
the
tail
end
of
the
world
economic
forum's
positioning
around
the
global
battery
alliance,
and
so
everledger.
A
D
But
how
do
we
enable
or
view
waste
as
value,
and
some
of
that
isn't
just
necessarily
seen
within
one
supply
chain,
but
it's
linking
different
supply
chains
together,
so
some
work
that
was
embarked
upon
in
2017
a
couple
of
years
after
ever
ledger
started,
was
to
think
about,
could
apple
or
dell
or
even
ibm
become
a
supplier
to
the
diamond
and
jewelry
industry,
and
many
people
thought
I
was
a
bit
mad.
They
often
do,
but
the
reality
is
it's
true.
D
You
know
there
is
a
significant
amount
of
critical
metals
and
minerals
that
are
used
in
electronics
that
are
often
discarded
and
wasted,
and
so
how
can
we
combine
different
supply
chains
together
to
make
entirely
new
products
or
how
do
we
stop
digging
up
the
planet?
And
so
the
circular
economy
is
that
principle
to
move
from
what
we
once
knew
was
just
a
linear
economy.
So
we
take
it,
we
make
it
and
we
dispose
it
to.
How
do
we
reuse,
recycle
and
repurpose.
E
Go
yeah
excellent,
hi
everyone.
Thank
you.
This
is
wonderful
and
really
great
to
see
these
panelists
here
and
hearing
all
these
wonderful
experiences
that
people
have
had
so
yeah
quickly.
My
name
is
raji
anger
and,
as
I
was
introduced,
I've
been
in
the
it
industry
for
over
33
years
with
large
mncs,
both
in
india
as
well
as
singapore
and
33
years,
is
a
long
time,
it's
literally
time
to
retire
now
and
hang
up
my
boots.
E
I
think,
and
as
you
mentioned
in
the
introduction
to
I
think
blockchain
is
almost
a
way
of
life
is
more
a
philosophy
than
technology.
We
are
talking
about
authenticity,
we'll
be
talking
of
transparency,
we'll
be
talking
of
visibility,
immutability
of
records
and
consensus
base,
et
cetera.
Now,
isn't
that
way
of
life?
That's
how
we
should
lead
our
life
right
so
frankly,
that
definitely
is
more
fat
than
actual
technology,
but
anyway,
coming
back
to
what
I
do
so.
I
am
based
out
of
mumbai.
E
Currently
I'm
with
dlt
ledgers,
it's
a
singapore
place
based
data,
it's
a
startup
that
was
just
set
up
about
three
four
years
ago,
but
we've
done
some
amazing
work.
It's
a
private
permissioned
network
for
clients,
the
underpinning
technology,
of
course,
being
blockchain
it's
and
we
work
with
the
large
enterprise,
the
banks
and
the
smes
and,
as
we
talked
today,
I'll
share
with
you
in
detail
as
to
what
we
do
with
them.
E
But
clearly
one
of
the
use
cases
that
has
come
up
very
strongly
and
stood
out
in
the
pandemic
is
the
challenges
we
face
in
the
cross-border
trade.
Trade
per
se
is
complex,
as
we
all
know,
this
movement
of
goods
with
documents
and
contracts,
and
you
know,
exchange
of
money
etc
and
now,
given
the
pandemic
and
when
it's
cross-border
it
becomes
even
more
complex.
So
where
does
blockchain
come
in
and
how
do
we
fit
in
and
what
are
the
kind
of
opportunities
and
use
cases?
E
We
should
be
looking
at
would
be
the
interesting
discussion
that
we're
going
to
have
today,
just
one
or
two
use
cases
which
is
which
would
be
of
interest
to
the
audience
is
also
in
fraud
detection
when
it
comes
to
bank
loans,
and
things
like
that.
So
I
will
talk
about
that
as
well
today,
if
we
do
get
an
opportunity
and
of
course,
supply
chain
visibility,
which
is
huge.
So
a
lot.
A
A
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
your
many
years
of
experience
around
building
ecosystems
and
alliances
is
so
important
to
have
those
skill
set,
and
you
know
someone
like
yourself
to
have
those
skill
set
in
order
to
build
these
blockchain
networks
and
these
governance
models.
You
know,
I
always
joke
that.
You
don't
get
rid
of
the
lawyers,
you
don't
get
rid
of
the
humans
and
you
don't
get
rid
of
the
lawyers,
no
matter
how
much
technology
you
throw
at
it.
A
So
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
the
the
kind
of
the
the
perils
that
you've
seen
in
building
these
ecosystems.
You
know,
probably
in
hand-to-hand,
combat
with
you
know,
competition
very
often
to
what
you're
seeing
in
you
know
this
new.
You
know
with
your
startup
now
with
the
dlt
ledgers
and
building
these
governance
networks.
What's
what's
the
key
thing
that
pops
in
your
mind
when
you,
when
you
think
about
that.
E
Sure,
as
you
mentioned,
it's
yeah
it's
it's
a
world
of
competition.
Frankly,
I
don't
think
we
should
consider
it
as
competition
anymore,
because
daniella
this
is
no
longer
the
world
of
exclusivity
anymore.
Many
years
ago,
when
I
started
to
build
alliances
with
large
mmcs,
it
was
you
know,
you're,
either
an
infrastructure
player
or
a
software
player,
and
then
you
know
you
sort
of
come
together
and
see
how
you
can
go
to
market
giving.
E
You
know
each
of
them
coming
together
and
seeing
what
they
can
do
for
the
customers
benefit.
But
as
we
went
along
came
along
cloud
and
many
other
solutions
which
doesn't
clearly,
there
are
no
clear
demark
areas
that
this
is
where
I
play,
and
this
is
where
I
don't
play
so
competition
slowly
became
coopetation,
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
recognize
that
acknowledge
that
and
try
and
work
together.
E
I
strongly
believe
that
the
sustainability
of
any
marketplace
is
to
work
with
partners
work
with
co-operation
and
see
at
the
end
of
the
day,
what
translates
as
an
advantage
to
the
end
customer
that
is
so
important,
and
you
know
we
will
get
better
at
it
when
we
recognize
each
other's
strength
and
leverage
on
the
strength
to
to
build
that.
You
know
to
build
that
advantage
for
the
customer
all
right
and.
F
Thank
you
for
having
me
it's
brilliant
to
be
part
of
this.
You
know
amazing
conversation
yeah.
So
if
you
had
to
picture
me,
just
really
picture
me
with
drill
as
a
drills
and
spanner
girl
as
far
as
blockchain
goes
as
I
take
care
of
infrastructure,
it's
literally
like
the
piping
and
the
wiring
I
here
at
chinstuck.
F
You
know
the
blockchain
has
enormous
potential
as
a
technology,
but
eventually
it
comes
down
to
nodes.
Can
you
run
the
nodes,
how
many
nodes
and
how
are
these
nodes
resilient
and
who
is
having
control
over
them?
There
is,
you
know
a
whole
conversation
around
centralization
by
stealth,
just
because
of
the
infrastructure
and
how
it's
been
set
up.
F
So
that's
that's
the
mission
here
as
a
chief
growth
officer
at
chainstack,
I'm
looking
at
providing
the
best
possible
infrastructure
for
all
sorts
of
projects
that
are
just
now
out
there
so
from
enterprise
blockchain,
all
the
way
to
web3
and
we've
seen
exponential
growth
in
both
areas-
and
you
know
it's
it's
fascinating
to
see.
I've
been
in
the
industry
since
2017
and
I'll
join
the
the
the
strike
of
people
saying
that
they're
joined
by
accident.
Here
I
am
again,
my
actual
training
is
in
is
in
an
artistic
field.
F
I
trained
as
a
concert
pianist.
That
was
my
my
first
career.
So
first
message
to
everyone
out.
There
is
really
like
don't
put
butter
on
yourself.
You
don't
need
an
engineering
degree.
You
can
build
up
your
your
competence
and
if
there
is
passion,
then
everything
you
know
can
come
so
I
I
got
by
accident
because
I
saw
so
many
books
lying
around
it's
a
bit
of
like
a
family
business
by
now,
so
our
dinner
conversation
are
quite
peculiar.
I
appreciate
that,
but
it's
also
very
rewarding
as
blockchain.
They
say.
F
I
lived
in
london
for
money,
for
it's
really
a
good
portion
of
my
adult
life
and
we
used
to
say
if
you're,
tired
of
london
you're
tired
of
life.
I
think
the
same
goes
with
blockchain.
If
you
get
tired
of
the
industry,
then
really
you
know
you're
tired
of
life,
because
there
is
always
you
know
it's
just
the
beginning
of
an
industry,
so
I
started
as
with
ocean
protocol.
So
there
was
infrastructure
in
the
sense
of
data
data.
Is
you
know,
fuel
for
everything
that
goes
on?
F
So
I
worked
together
with
them
on
setting
up,
and
that
was
a
hugely
fascinating
project,
both
from
a
governor's
point
of
view
and
from
a
technical
point
of
view.
Of
course,
you
know
the
the
technical
limitations
of
space
in
terms
of
storage
and
the
quality
also
of
the
transmissions
and
and
latency
can
be
of
interest.
It
can
be
a
strength,
so
it
was
about
leveraging
that
and
building
an
entire
decentralized
network
of
satellites
for
data
sharing.
A
Yeah
you
know
I
like
to
pull
the
threads
a
little
bit
on
this.
You
know
what
you
need
operationally
to
become.
You
know
part
of
a
global
economy
in
these
new
systems.
So
you
know
alex
talked
a
little
bit
about
sort
of
the
managed
services
that
you're
you
know
providing
so
that
you
know
companies
can
come
to
you
and
say
I
want
to
join
this
network.
I
don't
have
the
infrastructure,
I
don't
have
the
even
the
administrators
and
the
skilled
people
in
my
companies
in
to
run
these
nodes
and
to
administer
these
notes.
A
Maybe
others
in
the
in
the
audience
in
the
audience
and
the
panel
can
talk
a
little
bit
about
kind
of
what?
What
is
it,
the
the
the?
What
are
the
current
skills
and
requirements
that
both
the
companies
and
individuals
need
to
have
to
be
able
to
participate?
You
know
and
participate
at
an
equal
level
with
everybody
else,
because
you
know
one
of
the
things
that's
important
is
is
having
you
know.
Everybody
come
in
at
the
same
at
the
same
level,
whether
you're,
a
very
large
company
or
small
company.
A
C
Yeah
so
many
of
the
projects,
specifically
on
the
enterprise
side
of
things
that
I've
come
across,
that
I've
worked
with,
have
actually
had
specifically
node
hosting,
be
a
barrier
for
businesses
that
are
being
onboarded
to
their
network,
so
much
to
the
extent
that
oftentimes
they
desire
to
outsource
node
hosting
or
the
company.
That's
building
the
blockchain
solution
ends
up
providing
note
hosting
on
behalf
of
them
as
a
part
of
the
service.
C
We
know
that,
in
order
for
blockchains
to
be
secure,
there
has
to
be
that
decentralized
peer-to-peer
maintaining
of
the
nodes,
but
I
would
say
just
because
the
the
industry
is
still
so
nascent.
It
is
definitely
a
big
barrier
and
I'm
actually
very
curious
to
see
from
the
other
panelists.
What
are
some
ways
that
they've
helped
companies
get
around
the
barrier
of
figuring
out
the
technical
side
of
interacting
with
blockchain
systems
and
maintaining
the
nodes.
E
And
the
disruption
and
the
value
you
know
in
the
supply
chain,
etc
right.
So
when
you're
talking
of
any
kind
of
a
cross-border
interaction
with
different
jurisdictions,
coming
into
play,
here's
the
scenario
and
imagine
this
that
you
are
moving
goods
from
one
place
to
the
other
with
the
different
you
know,
like
governments
coming
into
play
and
different
parties
coming
into
play
if
they
take
a
simple
trade,
it's
the
trader,
there's
a
buyer!
There's
a
seller,
a
buyer's
bank
sellers
bank
logistics,
guys,
you
know
the
customs
guys
the
insurance
is
etc.
E
So
a
whole
lot
of
people
are
there
in
this
one
simple:
if
you
look
at
the
value
chain,
so
if
so,
if
I
demystify
this,
what
we
do,
for
example,
is
we
build
this
pipe?
The
pipe
is
already
built
and
handed
over
to
the
client,
and
this
is
a
sas
based
thing.
It
is
on
cloud
azure.
It
can
be
on
any
cloud.
Currently
it's
on
microsoft,
azure.
E
It
literally
takes
just
48
hours
for
somebody
to
sign
in
and
come
on
to
it
and
as
far
as
the
other
nodes
are
concerned,
you
know
we
try
and
on
both
the
counterparties.
Again,
based
on
the
north
side,
the
biggest
thing
I
find
is
you
know
if
you
lower
that
apprehensiveness
from
an
end
user
point
of
view
and
see
how
this
can
be
adopted,
it's
a
simpler
journey
to
get
on
to
it
is
a
journey.
Blockchain
is
a
journey.
E
F
Can
I
add
on
to
that
to
say
actually
that
the
an
entire
industry
is
coming
at
chin
stack
is
part
of
you
know,
blockchain
management
services,
but
actually
it's
an
entire
industry
that
is
coming
to
make
life
easier
like
to
professionalize,
also
the
services
part
to
facilitate
on
from
a
usability
point
of
view,
from
a
scalability
point
of
view,
and
also
from
an
interpretability
point
of
view.
I
think
these
are
probably
the
three
main
areas
that
enterprises
are
looking
to.
F
Instead,
we
are
seeing
that
is,
is
an
incremental
innovation.
That
is
happening,
and
it
is
happening
quite
discreetly,
but
truly
so.
That
needs
to
fit
in
with
what
is
not
just
the
current
infrastructure
within
enterprises,
but
also
the
mentality
and
the
the
skill
set
of
the
of
the
teams
that
are
there.
So,
having
a
bridge
that
can
speak,
the
language
of
enterprises
and
can
fit
in
with
the
current
infrastructure
is
one
when
it
comes
to
scalability.
F
I
think
that
flexibility
is
the
major
major
thing
that
can
be
a
barrier,
so
many
companies
will
have
their
own
cloud,
for
example,
or
may
have
their
own
geographical
limitations,
for
example,
from
a
regulatory
point
of
view
in
terms
of
compliance
so
having
the
ability
of
deploying
nodes
and
infrastructure
within
premises
or
within
a
specific
like
azure
for
sound,
could
be
azure
for
other
sorry
for
aws,
for
others
could
be
gcp,
and
so
on.
So
having
that
flexibility
will
really
remove
quite
a
bit
of
barriers
and
then
usability,
because
not
many
teams
will
come.
F
Probably
leon
will
have
experience
with
some
companies
that
will
not
have
any
experience
in
blockchain
same
for
for
you
rajesh
and
for
the
others
that
they
don't
have
a
blockchain
teams.
They
don't
have
a
devops
teams
that
can
understand
blockchain.
So
how?
How
can
we
all
as
an
industry,
facilitate
that
and
make
that
happen?.
B
Yeah
and
just
adding
to
that
usability
piece
is
you
know
it's
obviously
a
key
requirement
and
continues
to
be
a
challenge,
but
not
not
only
for
the
business
user,
but
the
technical
user
as
well
right,
so
both
developers
and
sort
of
average
user
business
user
are
sort
of
struggling
with
that.
So
we
we
as
vendors,
need
to
provide
all
that.
A
D
Well,
the
hardest
thing
to
do
is
to
define
what's
the
role
of
government
and
then
once
government
can
define
their
role
in
blockchain
or
blockchain
architecture
or
infrastructure
or
ecosystem.
Then
I
guess
we
can
start
to
talk
and
speak
to
them.
There's
definitely
the
role
of
a
regulator
and
policymakers
when
it
comes
to
when
it
comes
to
blockchain
and
even
cryptocurrency.
D
You
know,
but
I
sort
of
wind
back
for
five
seconds
like
I
began
evolution
2014.
Arguably
there
really
wasn't
expert
blockchain
engineers
in
2014,
but
I
mean
I'm
an
engineer
myself.
So
I've
wrote
the
very
first
versioning
of
everledger
on
my
own
laptop
quietly
in
london
and
what
I
thought
was
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
just
go
and
grab.
You
know
10-year
experience,
blockchain
engineers
because
they
just
didn't
exist,
but
what
did
exist
was
really
great
devops
and
good
database
engineers
and
incredible.
D
You
know
front-end
and
back-end
developers
and
even
full
stacks
that
understood
the
leveling
of
languages,
and
so
you
can
build
a
really
great
blockchain
team,
which
is
what
we
started
to
see
in
the
early
days
from
2014
to
2017,
and
then
those
that
are
committed
to
the
religion
of
blockchain
and
distributed
technologies
became
incredibly
well
positioned,
blockchain
engineers,
but
it
was
in
the
very
first
sort
of
year
or
two.
I
remember
we
worked
very
closely
with
the
touring
institute,
but
I
thought
wow.
D
I've
got
to
have
a
team
of
cryptographers
in
everledger
to
be
able
to
do
this,
but
not
necessarily
the
case
either
right.
So
there's
a
great
rule.
If
you're
a
software
engineer
and
if
you're
a
cryptographer,
don't
roll
your
own
crypto,
it's
it's
pretty
dangerous
and
from
australia's
perspective
I
held
a
government
role.
There's
no
secrets
around
that
role
and
part
of
the
work
here
was
to
also
align
government
into
the
understanding
that
this
technology's
not
going
away,
and
it's
as
fundamental
to
economic
policy
as
it
is
to
innovation
across
the
country.
D
And
how
do
we
position
it
across
a
road
map
that
is
more
than
just
the
next
10
years,
but
a
commitment
that
of
course
would
see
bilateral
support,
regardless
of
who
the
government
of
the
day
is
and
largely.
If
we
were
to
think
about
our
economy
in
australia
and
understood
the
importance
of
the
internet
in
you
know
the
late
90s
or
the
late
80s.
D
How
and
where
would
australia
be
positioned
rather
than
seeing
it
as
a
tool
if
we
saw
it
as
a
fundamental
fabric
of
trade
or
a
fundamental
fabric
of
communication,
then
where
would
we
be
differently?
And
I
think
that's
a
really
important
positioning
of
the
importance
of
this
technology,
not
just
only
with
corporates
but
also
with
government,
but
it's
not
really
a
well
understood
topic.
So,
if
you're
trying
to
lobby
into
government
into
politicians,
it's
pretty
tough
to
get
a
minister
to
go
all
boots
in
on
blockchain,
because
it's
it's
it's
volatile.
A
We
need
again
to
put
the
bitcoin
is
not
blockchain
slide,
that
we
used
to
all
start
with
all
the
time
again
because
it
is,
you
know
there
is
progress
being
made
right
and
there's
definitely
progress
being
made
at
the
university
level
at
the
compute.
You
know
the
computer
science
education
levels
as
well.
Even
I
have
an
11
year
old
daughter
and
she
takes
some
online
schools
at
a
thing
called
outschool
and
they
have
a
blockchain
101
course
for
little
kids.
So
you
know
to
man
to
your
point
right.
A
E
I
just
wanted
to
add
to
what
leanne
was
saying
from
a
government
point
of
view
and
the
regulators
as
well
daniela.
So
in
singapore
we
worked
with
the
monetary
authority
of
singapore,
which
is
a
regulatory
board
right
from
a
bank's
perspective,
and
what
we
did
with
them
was
that,
along
with
them
and
14,
other
banks
came
together
to
look
at
fraud
detection.
E
We
call
it
trade
registry,
so
we've
had
many
cases
in
many
parts
of
the
world
where
there's
double
financing
going
on,
and
you
know,
banks
losing
huge
amount
of
money
and
obviously
there's
no
trust
as
well.
So
here
the
regulatory
board
regulated
bank
monetary
authority
of
singapore
came
together
with
other
banks,
so
they
used
our
platform
to
look
at.
How
do
you,
and
that
is
aiaml
as
well
all
part
of
blockchain,
then
where
they
were
able
to
detect.
E
You
know
if
a
particular
trade
is
being
financed
more
than
one
time,
so
that
was
a
very
important
one
where
government
stepped
in.
There
is
another
one
trade
trust
where
between
singapore
government
and
netherlands,
they
are
coming
to
rotterdam.
They're
coming
to
you
know,
agree
that,
and
this
happened-
this
pilot
happened
a
couple
of
months
ago,
where
you
know
we're
trying
to
say
that
between
two
governments,
how
do
you
agree
upon
trade
completely
paperless
and
completely
digitized
trade?
So
that's
another
move.
E
A
And
and
and
still
the
digital
transformation
needs
to
happen
first,
I
mean
a
lot,
especially
in
trade,
finance
and
supply
chain.
A
lot
of
the
you
know
of
the
requirements
still
lie
on
just
you
know:
good
old,
digital
transformation.
That
needs
to
happen
right,
that
the
data
needs
to
be
made
available
to
these
processes
and
that's
a
huge
undertaking
as
well.
E
Absolutely
yeah
and
into
you
know
as
early
and
also
mentioned-
and
I
think
alex
mentioned
this
touched
upon.
This-
is
about
the
inter
enterprise
collaboration.
Now,
the
inter
enterprise
collaboration
is
going
to
be
the
next
major
growth
area
where
blockchain
is
going
to
be
absolutely
blockchain
and
the
fact
that
it's
a
decentralized
distributed
ledger
is
going
to
be
the
key.
A
A
What
are
the
things
that
are
really
important
as
we
think
about
the
technology,
the
social
impact,
the
social
requirements,
the
trust
factors?
I
think
I
don't
know
who
was
that
talked
about
trust
before
but
like?
What
are
the
things
from
a
skill
set
perspective
that
we
should
be
looking
at
and
hiring
into
organizations.
F
Okay,
let
me
go
first
on
this
one
I
think
first
of
all
like
if
there
is
a
culture
within
the
within
the
company
to
hire
for
diversity.
That
should
be,
of
course,
a
priority
like
there
are.
I
don't
know
like
if
I
had
a
penny
for
every
time.
I
had
a
call
where
I
was
the
only
woman
there.
I
would
be
like
invested
so
much
in
bitcoins
already
for
sure.
F
That's
really
that's
really,
unfortunately,
still
the
case,
it's
very
much
so
in
in
blockchain
as
a
whole,
but
for
infrastructure
and
that
that's
a
plea
like
coming
to
come
to
devops.
There
is
a
lot.
There
is
a
lot
happening
and,
and
it's
quite
stimulating,
so
you
don't
need
to
be
an
engineer
for
sure.
Even
if
it's
a
it's
a
non-technical
role,
you
will
still
need
to
understand
the
the
you
know
at
least
the
very
basics
of
blockchain,
but
you
don't
need
to
be
a
cryptographer
to
understanding
like
seriously.
F
You
know
it's
just
a
question
of
having
with
you
know,
critical
understanding
of
what
you
need
to
understand.
I
know
it's.
It's
about.
You
know
double
layer,
but
everybody's
true,
just
you
know,
go
shop
and
read
a
lot,
never
be
intimidated
by
white
papers.
For
example,
there
is
no
like
there
are.
There
are
bits
that
are
really
hard
like
that
escape
for
sure,
I'm
pretty
sure
I'm
not
the
only
one
there,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
that
many
engineers
are
doing
the
same
as
well.
F
But
it's
not
enough,
like
you
need
to
understand
what
is
the
actual
community,
like
so
open
source
communities-
and
you
know,
learning
and
developing
your
skill
set
on
on
that
specifically
is
a
very
different
different
skill
set.
So
that's
which
turn
is
to
go
there,
growth,
hacking
as
a
whole.
You
need
to
be
very
open-minded
on
how
you
and
you're
going
to
you
know,
find
your
agencies
and
your
leads.
That's
for
sure.
F
If
you
are
set
up-
and
you
know
you
have
very
limited
budget
and
you
still
need
to
do
and
then
grow
in
such
an
exciting
market,
and
then
you
can
pick
from
game
theory.
Even
there
like
you
can
go
complex,
you
can
be,
you
know
mathematician
and
still
have
questions
about
it
for
sure,
or
you
can.
You
know
be
humble
than
just
you
know,
find
your
limitations
of
what
you
can.
You
cannot
understand
and
push
the
boundaries,
even
if
it
sometimes
is
painful.
You
say
I
don't
understand
it.
F
That's
never
pleasant
right
or
I
don't
get
it.
It's
also
not
pleasant,
but
doesn't
matter
right,
you
just
go
and
push
for
what
you
can
do.
I
would
say
also
personally,
I
find
behavioral
economics
as
a
whole
as
a
field
extremely
extremely
relevant
to
building
and
growing
ecosystems
in
blockchain,
because
I
think
if
that's
one
thing
that
crypto
has
shown
to
the
world
is
that
we
are
irrational
beings
and
we
cannot
control.
F
We
cannot
plan
so
that
that's
you
know,
let's
embrace
that,
and
and
let's
make
a
system
around
it
with
behavioral
economics,
and
then
you
know,
of
course,
even
understanding
the
basics
of
the
infrastructure
and
how
the
piping
works.
That's
also
understandable,
never
be
intimidated,
just
ask
questions
and
that
there
should
be
enough.
E
Yeah,
I
would
also
say
the
same:
the
mirror
what
you
said
alex
don't
get
intimidated
by
this,
and
incidentally
so,
just
to
add
to
what
you
said:
we've
all
thrown
into
this.
You
know
by
accident,
so
a
bit
about
me,
so
I
was
into
astronomy
and
astrophysics
33
years
back
and
literally
overnight,
into
idea
right
yeah.
But
again
when
I
you
know,
when
you're
coming
from
an
application
point
of
view
and
the
applicability
point
of
view
that
option
point
of
view,
I
feel
it
becomes
simpler.
E
I'm
not
talking
about
the
engineers,
but
people
are
going
to
actually
use
blockchain.
So
there
are
several
use
case
scenarios
get
familiar
with
that.
I
just
wanted
to
add
one
more
complex
one,
which
many
of
many
industries
find
it
complex
is
when
you
look
at
supply
chain.
The
other
day
I
was
talking
to
a
client
who
was
he
they've
got
about
200
factories
manufacturing
plants
across
the
globe
and
they
have
about
50
000
supply
chain
vendors
suppliers
between
their
second
year
and
third
year.
You
can
imagine
that
there
is
no
visibility.
E
There
is
literally
no
transparency
and
the
way
things
are
happening
today
is
only
through
email
and
you
know,
facts
and
career,
etc.
There
is
no
one
platform
that
can
bring
together
different
people
and
have
this
visibility
of
where
waters
at
any
given
point
in
time.
With
the
you
know,
with
an
authentic
stamp
timestamp
of
an
event
that
has
happened
so
these
these
are
all
the
beautiful
advantages
of
blockchain
so
get
into
the
use
cases
and
start
adopting
it
in
any
small
way.
E
C
So
what
I
would
say
to
that
question
is
I
first
of
all
completely
agree
with
everything.
That's
been
said
up
to
this
point.
I
want
to
give
a
little
bit
of
a
take
from
a
younger
person's
perspective,
having
like
just
like
four
or
five
years
ago,
left
university.
I
know
we
have
a
lot
of
university
students
in
the
audience.
C
So
a
really
fantastic
way
to
get
involved
in
the
blockchain
ecosystem
is
to
work
on
startups
and
regardless
of
what
your
background
is,
I
can
tell
you
that
there
are
probably
blockchain
startups
out
there.
Looking
for
people
like
you
and
I'll
give
a
specific
shout
out
to
anyone
who
is
in
design
user
experience,
there
is
an
absolute
absolute
lack
of
that,
especially
on
the
more
like
public
blockchain
application
type
side
of
things.
There
is
a
surplus
of
developers
who
can
talk
to
you
all
day
about
their.
B
Yeah
just
to
add
to
that.
Actually
I
think
that
in
this
sort
of
blockchain
world,
all
open-minded
all-rounder
people
who
are
actually
willing
or
can
adapt
to
change
willing
to.
You
know
roll
up
their
sleeves
and
learn
new
things.
They
will
succeed.
So
it's
again
there
are
so
many
things
coming
together,
so
you
cannot
really
be
a
specialist
anymore.
You
it's!
It's
actually
more
advantageous
if
you're
an
open-minded
generalist,
so.
A
I
you
know,
I
agree.
I
agree
with
all
all
that.
I
do
think
that
you
know
diversity,
specifically
diversity
from
a
gender
from
a
regional
from
just
you
know.
Race
is
an
important
thing
as
we
consider
building
these.
You
know
these
future
global
economy,
because
we
are
all
towards
working
towards
the
same
goal,
and
I
think
that
the
more
we
talk
about
it,
the
more
we
say
that
we
need
to
look
at
diversity
in
engineering
teams
that
we
look
at.
A
A
In
your
role
and
what
you're
bringing
to
the
market,
if
you
could,
you
know
fast
forward,
you
know
five
years
from
now
and
you
know
you're
in
a
hiring
frenzy.
I
know
many
of
you
are
currently
in
a
hiring
frenzy
as
well.
What
would
what
would
we?
What
should
people
look
towards?
You
know
what
kind
of
education
should
they
get
to?
That
would
help
you
hire
those.
C
C
C
I
think
that
that's
sufficient
for
today
getting
a
job
in
the
space.
If
I
see
five
years
from
now,
we've
already
seen
so
so
so
many
universities
building
blockchain
programs
incubators.
Even
so,
I
do
think
the
barrier
to
entry
will
be
a
little
bit
higher
you're
going
to
have
to
dedicate
a
little
bit
more
time
to
building
up
skills
in
the
blockchain
space
through
perhaps
participating
in
one
of
these
educational
programs
or
an
internship
at
a
blockchain
company
or
volunteering
at
a
standards
body
like
ieee.
C
But
I
guess
what
I
would
say
is,
regardless
of
what
point
in
time
we're
talking
about
whether
it's
right
now
or
five
years
from
now.
I
would
recommend
just
getting
started
whether
that
means
volunteering
with
some
sort
of
non-profit
in
the
blockchain
space
or
starting
a
course
on
coursera
on
blockchain
anything
that
you
can
do
to
get
started.
That's
what
I
would
recommend.
E
And
daniella:
it's
again,
you
know
more
than
the
diversity
part
of
it,
whether
it's
diversity
in
terms
of
region
or
whatever
it
is.
I
think
an
added
element
is
compassion
today.
I
think
that's
really
missing
so,
like
I
started
off
this
conversation
by
saying
that
I
strongly
believe
that
blockchain
is
more
of
philosophy
than
technology.
We
are
talking
of
being
authentic.
We
are
talking
about
being
transparent
as
much
as
possible.
You
don't
have
visibility
of
what
you're
doing
we're
talking
of
immutability
of
what
we
do
in
terms
of
records
and
things
like
that.
E
A
There's
a
there's,
a
question:
actually
in
the
q,
a
about
you
know,
do
you
do
you
think,
there's
a
lack
of
women,
so
speaking
specific
specifically
on
the
gender.
Do
you
think,
there's
a
lack
of
women
male
majority
in
the
blockchain
space
because
of
the
space
and
the
community
itself,
meaning
they
don't
allow
support
women
or
is
it
something
you
know
societal
that
this
is
just
you
know
it's
technology
and
it's
the
same
across
across
the
world
across
the
board,
whether
it's
blockchain
or
you
know,
artificial
intelligence
or
something
else.
A
D
But
the
entrepreneurship
element
enables
us
to
be
able
to
make
it
breathe
in
the
world
and
give
it
life
build
businesses
around
that
idea,
and
so
I
think
that's
probably
the
piece
that
is
is
missing.
How
do
we
bring
entrepreneurship?
Closer
to
you
know
the
hardcore
skill
sets
of
what's
required,
but
the
fundamentals
of
technology,
business
and
economics
is
changing,
and
you
know,
blockchain
just
happens
to
be
a
bit
of
a
blunt
instrument
to
enable
that
change.
To
begin
to,
to
show
to
show
some
promise.
D
But
unless
you're
able
to
approach
an
industry
with
the
alignment
of
value
and
value
creation,
then
blockchain
itself
will
not
help
to
solve
for
any
one
thing
provenance
or
or
provide
any
one
stream
of
value.
So
I
would
say
the
one
skill
set
that
everyone
needs
to
bring
to
the
table
is
is
become
a
team
player.
And
how
do
you
enact
that
in
a
way
that
still
provides
for
economic
value
but
bring
participants
to
the
table
where
the
alignment
of
that
value
and
values
is
completely
joined
at
the
hip?
F
F
Oh,
you
should
be
more
pushy
or
should
be
more
more
bold,
but
it
is
kind
of
true
as
well
and-
and
I
and
I
see
this
because
in
general,
when
you
come
especially
for
technical
roles
as
a
woman,
there
is
never
a
natural
benefit
of
the
doubt
that
is
granted
to
you
that
you
know
technical
stuff
yeah,
it's
unfortunate,
but
it.
But
there
is
always
a
degree
of
of
questioning
and
for
you
to
be
able
to
to
showcase
in
something
that
shouldn't
be
there,
but
unfortunately,
is
what
it
is.
F
So
I
I've
gone
past,
maybe
because
I'm
past
the
40
40
mark,
but
I've
I'm
past
the
idea
of
not
being
bold
enough
to
just
assert
your
skills
and
and
your
competence
very,
very
explicitly,
and
I
think
it's
fine,
especially
if
you're
new
to
the
industry
and
you
want
to
get
there
and
you
want
to
get
a
job
that
is
of
you,
know,
blockchain.
As
a
whole,
so
never
never
underplay
or
be
shy.
Saying,
oh,
I
think
I
might
do
this
or
I
might
be
able
to
do
it.
F
No,
you
have
to
be
very
explicit.
I
feel
that's
something
that
sometimes
sometimes
it's
not
given
for
granted
and
you
know
it's
a
personal
responsibility
to
do
it
and
then
equally
as
a
recruiter
and
by
the
way
chin
stuck
is
in
the
hiring
frenzy.
That
barbaris
is
mentioning
so
we're
recruiting
for
engineers
and
also
for
interns
on
the
business
side,
so
just
get
in
touch
with
linkedin.
F
A
Yeah
be
a
leader
I
mean
the
last
two
companies
I
was
at
had
ceos
who
were
female
their
cos,
their
chief
operating
officers,
their
chief
product
officers,
were
female,
so
it
was
just
natural
to
me
like
I
never
even
thought
you
know
like
it
would
just
be
natural,
but
I
think
that
you
know
the
more
people
see
that
as
just
the
reality-
and
you
know-
and
you
know
that
it's
possible-
it
makes
it
much
easier
as
well.
So
so
thank
you
leanne
for
for
leading
the
way
as
well.
A
B
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think,
as
you
said,
sort
of
joining
open
source
communities.
That's
definitely
something
that
you
know
anyone
could
do
and
and-
and
you
know
be
introduced
because
now,
especially
now
with
open
source
communities.
Again,
it's
not
technical
anymore
in
open
source
communities.
There
are
a
lot
of
different
backgrounds
working
together
on
different
projects
right.
So
that's
a
really
good
way
to
start.
B
You
know
getting
familiar
with
blockchain
and
you
know,
evolve,
get
smarter
about
it
and
meet
people
and
so
on,
and
then
also,
as
you
know,
as
the
fellow
panelists
mentioned
internships
at
companies.
Even
you
know
at
the
startup
I
mean,
for
example,
now
we
do
have
three
interns
working
on
a
very
specific
project,
and
that-
and
I
think
that's
that's
a
fantastic
way
to
to
you-
know,
learn
about
the
business,
learn
about
the
technology,
step,
the
business
and
actually
work
on
a
specific
project
right.
C
C
Would
you
be
able
to
write
articles
for
us
and
he,
as
a
like
second
year,
student
in
college
was
like
yeah
totally
and
since
then
he's
been
super
into
the
blockchain
community
and
and
growing
every
day.
But
I
guess
that's
just
a
testament
to
show
you
like
once
you
get
your
foot
like
once
you
like
dip
your
toe
into
the
blockchain
ecosystem.
C
There's
just
so
much
opportunity
abound
and
you
could
do
that
through
internships,
but
even
if
that
seems
a
little
bit
too
much
for
you,
I
I
would
just
recommend
reaching
out
to
people
that
you
know
in
the
industry
or
a
professor
at
your
university
that
is
into
blockchain
and
just
have
a
conversation
and
just
be
like
hey,
I'm
thinking
about
trying
to
get
involved
in
this.
Do
you
have
any
ideas?
E
You
know
in
your
organizations,
be
it
enterprise,
a
smaller
medium
or
banks
or
whatever
you
know,
you're
going
to
have
more
of
these
students
sort
of
grow
up
in
life
with
blockchainers.
Otherwise,
it's
going
to
continue
to
remain
a
wow
thing,
something
great
too.
From
a
learning
perspective
from
an
academy,
it
can
be
a
point
of
view,
but
not
necessarily
from
a
you
know,
usability
point
of
view,
so
I
would
really
encourage
more
and
more
clients
and
customers
and
prospects
and
people
to
start
using
blockchain
get
on
to
it
get
onto
the
platform.
E
E
A
Yeah-
and
I
think
you
just
you-
need
yeah,
you
need
to
get
into
it.
I
mean
you
know
my
my
first
experience
with
blockchain
was:
I
walked
into
a
bitcoin
meetup
in
like
20
20
14,
20,
no
2013,
and
it
was
a
bunch
of
bros
young
men
in
san
francisco
and
they
all
looked
at
me
and
I
I'm
not.
I
wasn't
young
back,
then
not
young.
Now
they
all
looked
at
me
and
they
were
like.
What
are
you
doing
here
pretty
much-
and
I
think
I
mentioned
to
somebody.
A
This
is
what's
going
to
happen
and
I
just
you
know
kept
going
at
it
and
obviously
I
had
you
know
15
years
of
working
in
financial
services
with
dow
jones,
so
I
felt
the
confidence
and
I
had
you
know
women
telling
technologists
telling
me
that
it's
okay
to
get
in
there.
So
I
think,
that's
an
important
part.
I'm
gonna
go
over
to
the
questions.
D
A
D
Yeah
so
australian
government,
we,
we
published
the
australian
national
blockchain
roadmap
strategy,
so
there's
definitely
consortiums
in
each
of
the
countries
that
are
largely
being
led
in
various
forms,
but
there's
also
grassroots
movements
with
either
startups.
Or
you
know,
as
you
mentioned,
you
know,
meetup
groups
and
I
think
that
they're,
probably
they
probably
have
more
hands
on
the
steering
wheel
in
those
types
of
environments
where
people
are
actually
using
the
technology
you
often
find
sometimes
sort
of
the
higher
banded.
A
Well,
yeah,
you
know,
but
it's
yeah,
it's
kind
of
different
right,
because
it's
an
open
source
community
so
all
are
welcome
to
participate.
There's
real,
you
know,
there's
real
coding,
there's
real
work
happening,
there's
real
contributions
to
the
projects
that
then
are
being
used
in
these
consortiums
right,
there's
an
important
element
of
it
as
well,
but
yeah.
I
agree.
You
know
the
hyperledger
india
regional
chapter
has
been.
A
You
know
fantastic
in
building
a
community
of
you
know
thousands
and
thousands
of
developers
at
all
levels
that
are
getting
involved
specifically
with
hyperledger,
but
I
think
you
know
when
you
when
you,
whether
you're
learning
you
know
a
public
blockchain,
you
know
protocol
or
a
hyperledger
protocol,
you're,
basically
contributing
to
the
development
of
these
technologies
and
use
cases
as
well.
So
thank
you
for
for
mentioning
that
as
well
as
on
on
my
list
of
things
to
do,
let's
see
here,
blockchain,
let
me
see.
Blockchain
is
transformative.
A
This
is
a
question
from
anna
rebecca
blockchain's
transformative,
to
say
the
least.
What's
each
of
the
panelists
dream
vision,
purpose
for
humanity
through
the
work
that
they've
been
doing
or
businesses
that
they
use
this
philosophy?
Technology,
so
you
know
what
what
is
it
that
you
know
your
goals,
your
dreams
in
building
using
dlt
and
blockchain
technologies.
E
Yeah,
so
I
can
go
first,
so
one
is,
of
course,
from
the
adoption
from
the
business
point
of
view,
but
other
than
that
in
the
government
arena
as
leanne
also
mentioned.
We
we
need
to
do
that
in
india.
They
are
adopting
quite
a
bit
even
in
you
know
whether
it's
birth
certificates,
death
certificates,
kind
of
thing,
land,
registration.
F
Pick
up
on
the
on
the
scalability
side,
because
I
think
we
are
we're
just
touching
the
very
beginning
of
a
long
journey.
It's
like
it's
going
to
be
like
a
10
years
at
least
journey,
because
we
see
a
bit
of
more
maturity
and
scalability
from
the
point
of
view
infrastructure
on
the
web.
3
it's
fascinating
to
see,
and
but
I
think
even
more
so
is
this.
Credibility
of
governance
that
blockchain
is
is
is
challenging
so
from
an
enterprise
point
of
view.
Of
course
it's
embedding
and
breaking
from
a
competitive
model
to
a
collaborative
model.
F
That's
for
sure
something
that
you
know.
It's
already
changing
it's
already
happening,
but
my
personal
personal
fascination
on
the
web,
3
with
the
dao
prospects,
and
you
see,
for
example,
projects
like
polka
dot
that
are
really
pushing
the
boundaries
and
and
see
what
can
be
achieved
when
our
communities
have
governing
itself
to
an
extent
you've
seen
this
already
as
a
great
example
with
hyperledger
as
an
open
source
community,
but
when
it
comes
also
to
managing
funds
and
treasury.
That
becomes
extremely
extremely.
You
know,
interesting
and
personally,
I
want
to
see
this.
F
You
know
to
full
fruition
and
see
if
that
is
actually
going
to
be
a
level
field
at
the
beginning.
There
was
all
you
know:
all
messaging
seems
to
be
like
in
tune
in
a
blockchain.
Industry
is
always
what
about
democratizing
something
right,
it's
still
there,
but
I
I
want
to
see
it
in
action
right.
I
want
to
see
that
the
governance
has
actually,
you
know,
bypassed
what
are
the
barriers
for
equal
access
to
many
services
and
products
for
people,
and
I
think
only
only
dow
governance
you
know
can
can
actually
take
us
there.
F
Maybe
it's
a
bit
of
an
extreme,
very,
very
personal.
So
don't
don't
say
that
chainsack
is
sharing
this
vision
as
society,
it's
probably
more
of
a
personal
one,
but
for
sure
for
sure
it's
something
that
I
want
to
see,
and
I
think
the
other
thing
that
that
I
really
want
to
see
is
as
the
governance
comes
and
as
the
technology
matures,
we
are
going
to
see
more
multi-dimensional
relationships
between
businesses,
so
the
matrix
is
going
to
become
more
complex
and
that's
something
that
we
we
can
facilitate
with
technology.
B
When
you
apply
these
technologies,
you
not
only
increase
the
the
production
efficiency,
but
also
you
create
opportunity
for
additional
differentiation,
for
you
know
in
this
case
for
farmers
right
such
as
fair
trade.
It's
you
can
talk
about
social
inclusion
and
environmental
compliance,
and
things
like
that.
So
I
think
this
is
actually
a
really
fascinating
things
and
I,
I
hope
to
see
more
of
these
initiatives
coming
along.
C
Absolutely
I'm
a
big
fan
of
grand
chain,
also
by
the
way
everyone
in
the
audience.
Definitely
look
it
up.
Awesome
project,
great
team,
so
actually
my
my
thing
that
that
stands
out
is
something
that
I
am
hopeful
to
see
in.
The
future.
Continue
is
blockchain's
ability
to
remove
middlemen
if
we
have
any
middlemen
in
the
audience.
I'm
sorry,
but
you
know
you
know
for
so
long
across
so
many
industries.
There
have
been
players
that
extract
value
as
opposed
to
add
value
in
the
case
of
grain
chain.
C
A
Is
it?
Is
it
always
going
to
be
called
blockchain
right?
Does
the
farmer
really
care?
Is
the
question
like
you
know?
Oh
no
and
maybe
land
you
have.
You
know
experience
with
us
within
the
diamond
industry
right
from
a
retail
perspective.
You
know
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
you
know
what
does
the
consumer
care
about.
D
Well,
consumer
care
is
about
trust
and
transparency,
and
you
know
the
question
about:
where
does
the
future
sort
of
hold
value?
We
had
a
great
project
in
2016
with
tanzania
and
50
mining
women
in
the
color
gemstone
space,
where
the
collective
value
that
was
created,
where
we
managed
to
bring
the
trade
out
of
tanzania
directly
up
into
the
luxury
brands,
enabled
us
now
to
commit
to
generation
over
generation
of
gemological
education.
D
D
You
know
the
protocols
that
gave
birth
to
an
application,
called
email
or
an
application
called
the
browser,
and
I
think
once
we've
transformed
with
the
w3c
and
a
lot
of
the
work
that's
happening
at
that
protocol
level,
then
hopefully,
this
will
just
be
the
way
upon
which
we
trade
and
it
is
just
simply
the
new
versioning
of
the
tools
of
the
internet.
So
that's
what
I'm
hopeful
for.
E
Question
thanks
for
bringing
up
this
thing
on
farmers,
and
so
we
are
already
doing
that
actually
in
india
to
some
extent,
so
there
is
an
app
where
the
farmers
can
actually
buy
sell
using
the
app,
but
not
just
that
part,
not
just
the
farmer,
part
of
it,
but
right
from
the
farm
to
fork
part
of
the
value
chain.
So
blockchain
is
definitely
hugely
useful
in
that
going
back
to
leanne's
point
on
the
transparency
and
the
visibility,
but
trust
but
yeah.
That
will
definitely
help
yes,.
F
Just
one
small
point
on
it's
not
a
small,
but
that
I
think
increasingly
maybe
the
public
will
start
ask
questions
about
the
sustainability
from
an
environmental
point
of
view
of
the
technology,
and
I
think
questions
are
excited
to
be
asked.
So
I
think
we're
as
an
industry,
even
though
we're
just
starting,
but
we
have
to
look
at
the
long-term
trajectory
of
the
technology
and
you
know
baking.
Whatever
are
these.
You
know.
Requirements
cannot
be
proof
of
work
and
you
know
endless
use
of
of
resources.
A
D
A
Yep
exactly
certainly-
and
you
know,
reaching
out
here
at
hyperledger-
we've
been
doing
a
lot
of
work
with
our
climate
action
special
interest
group
and
reaching
out
to
other
groups
in
the
community
and
universities
and
people
who've
been
working
on
climate
related
technologies
for
a
long
time
to
bring
them
in
to
to
have
their
subject
matter.
Expertise
have
them
come
in
and
kind
of
teach
us
the
things
that
we
should
be
looking
for
and
which
partners
right.
A
This
is
something
that
is
going
to
be
a
requirement
that
the
governments
are
going
to
have
to
get
together
that
you
know
the
consumers
are
going
to
have
to
get
together
everybody's
going
to
have
to
get
together
and
work
on
these
issues.
If
we're
going
to
make
any
progress,
you
know
before
2025
as
needed
as
well.
A
There
was
a
question
before
around
interoperability
and
I
think
alex
you
brought
up
interoperability
before
it
says.
Interoperability
is
the
largest
issue
for
the
organizations
to
work
with
each
other.
Could
anyone
elaborate
on
how
various
blockchains
are
solving
this,
so
how
the
problems
of
interoperability,
between
between
networks
etc?.
F
So,
just
as
a
quick
answer,
of
course
you
can
look
at
interoperability
at
protocol
level
or
you
can
look
at
how
different
blockchains
can
talk
to
each
other.
You
know
at
infrastructure
level
or
at
application
level.
So
there
is
no
one
solution.
I
think
there
will
they
will.
They
will
come,
but
I've
seen
a
lot
of
movement,
for
example,
on
getting
what
they're
called
wrappings.
So
you
will
have
one
protocol,
maybe
it's
a
permission
protocol
wrapped
into
a
public
like
ethereum
that
will
allow,
for
you
know,
an
expansion
of
usability
and
tokenization
of
it.
F
So,
for
example,
like
a
corda
plus
ethereum,
that
seems
to
be
something
that
people
are
gravitating
towards
or
in
other
ways
where
you
have.
I
mean
it
can
be
even
simpler
than
that,
where
you
will
have
one
use
case
that
requires
different
vertical
solutions
that
are
best
resolved
by
different
blockchains.
F
So
you
have
a
portfolio
of
blockchains
and
in
that
sense
you
will
need
some
tools
that
will
allow
you
to
manage
it
in
a
way
that
is
sustainable,
for
you
know
not
just
a
very
big
enterprise,
but
also
for
for
smaller
players,
and
you
know
that
that
will
come
also.
You
know
we
touched
very
early
on
also
with
russia,
with
discussing
the
idea
of
having
you
know,
good
infrastructure
and
good
tools
same
with
sheila
and
so
on.
So
I
think
those
are
the
two
things
the
interoperability
is,
the
it's,
the
the
unicorn.
F
B
E
Also
because
here
we
are
trying
to
connect
different
digital
islands,
which
has
never
been
the
case
before
earlier.
All
the
software
solutions
that
you
had
was
to
improve
efficiency
and
whatever
within
the
organization,
be
it
an
erp
or
a
payroll
or
whatever.
That
is.
This
is
going
to
be
one
of
those,
especially
the
private,
secure
networks
where
it's
going
to
bring
in
different
digital
islands
to
have
that
visibility,
so
interoperability
is
going
to
be
absolutely
key.
E
Yeah
yeah,
so
this
is
something
that
we'll
have
to
sit
and
I
can
take
it
actually
offline
with
you.
That's
from
anjali,
I'm
happy
to
have
the
discussion
with
you
this.
What
kind
of
business
model
will
depend,
obviously
on
what
kind
of
use
case,
and
what
kind
of
use
case
would
be
appropriate
to
your
business
is
where
we
really
sit
together
and
have
that
discussion,
because
not
one
thing
fits
all
right,
so
this
is
something
that
will
need
to
be
defined
and
crafted,
and
we
pay
attention
to
that.
C
Yeah
I
was
actually
going
to
say
in
regards
to
interoperability.
A
very
interesting
angle
to
the
interoperability.
Discussion
is
interoperability
of
governance
in
between
blockchain
ecosystems,
and
we
actually
have
a
wonderful
fellow
women
in
blockchain
on
our
team
at
ieeep2145,
denise,
mccurdy
who's.
Doing
a
bunch
of
research
in
this
space
definitely
look
into
her
work,
but
the
way
that
I
would
like
to,
I
guess,
analogize
the
governance
or
the
the
meta
governance
between
blockchain
ecosystems
is
looking
at
geopolitics.
A
C
Oh
yeah,
most
certainly
so
there
are
actually
dozens
of
working
groups
within
the
ieee
right
now
that
are
dealing
with
blockchain
technology
across
all
sorts
of
areas,
specifically
privacy.
I
know
that
there
is
at
least
one
working
group
that
is
dealing
with
privacy
right
now,
I'm
not
sure
of
their
progress,
but
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
put
you
in
contact
with
them
I'll
plot,
my
email
in
the
chat.
C
If
you
want
to
just
shoot
me
an
email
regarding
that,
but
long
story
short
tons
of
opportunities
to
contribute,
regardless
of
what
your
specialty
is.
There
are
even
like
vertical
specific
working
groups.
So,
if
you're
like
specifically
fascinating
with
fascinated
with
like
supply
chain
and
blockchain,
there
are
groups
dealing
with
that
under
the
ieee
for
iot
and
blockchain.
A
Great
there's
one
more
question
and
then
we'll
go
to
the
final
panel
and
I
see
that
leanne
had
to
drop
off.
So
the
question
is:
where
do
you
see
the
industry
moving
with
our
favorite
word
of
the
month?
Oh
no,
it's
a
new
month.
Maybe
it's
not
this
one
of
this
month,
nfts
non-functional
tokens,
so
anybody
have
any
thoughts
or
ideas
around
where
you
see
the
industry
moving
in
regards
to
nfts.
F
Yeah
so
so
I
I
think
again
it
taps
onto
the
irreverence
of
the
industry.
That's
it's
kind
of
misunderstood,
like
the
applicability
of
nft
is
actually
in
the
usability,
is,
is
going
to
to
grow.
There
are
serious
applications,
but
of
course
it
it
gains
pro.
You
know
the
news
are
never
covering
boring.
You
know
business
topics,
they're
always
trying
to
find
something
sensational
and
crazy.
F
That
is
looking
very
closely
at
water
applications
and
that
can
bring
you
know
we
were
discussing
earlier
and
also
this
idea
of
the
sustainability
and
circular
economy
right
that,
if
you're
bringing
this
into
also
the
the
blockchain
is
an
industry
and
becoming
more
secular,
then
you're
going
to
bring
you
know
new
revenue
models
for
for
artists
as
a
whole
and
new
ways
for
them
to
monetize
their
work.
They
don't
know
they
were
not
there
before.
So
I
think
there
is
plenty
leave
along
the
sensationalism
and
a
bit
of
the
crazy
crazy.
A
Yeah,
and
and
and
thank
you
for
mentioning
the
media
entertainment
site,
I
put
the
link
in
the
chat
as
well,
so
that
was
one
of
our
newest
special
interest.
Groups
focused,
and
you
know
they
there.
They.
You
know,
they've
been
having
some
presentations
by
verizon,
which
is
big
tele
telecom
company
around
the
transparency,
their
media
transparency
initiatives.
A
There
is
panini,
which
is
a
118
year
old
company
that
is,
has
been
doing
trading
cards
and
other
sports
paraphernalia.
You
know
that
people
collect
collectibles,
I
guess
they're
called
and
two
years
ago
they
use
hyperledger
sawtooth
to
build
an
nft
platform.
So
you
know
it's
not.
New
people
have
been
working
on
this
for
a
while,
there's
very
interesting
use
cases
happening
in
hyperledger
as
well
as
outside
of
hyperledger
in
the
public
spell
as
well.
A
We
actually
have
we're
going
to
have
a
one
of
the
our
conference.
That's
coming
up
hyperledger
global
forum,
which
is
a
conference
that
is
happening
in
the
middle
of
june
june,
8th
through
the
10th.
It's
gonna
have
two
segments,
one
for
europe,
north
america
and
one
for
asia
and
europe.
So
you
could
attend
sessions
at
any
time
and
we'll
have
one
of
there's
a
couple
of
talks
on
nfts
and
there's
going
to
be
a
keynote
as
well
as
well
as
keynotes,
and
talks
on
interoperability
on.
A
A
As
we
say
goodbye
to
everybody,
and
let
me
see
if
I
can
share
this
with
you,
so
you
know
we
were
kind
of
talking
about
a
little
bit
about
what
our,
what
our
you
know,
what
our
career
paths
were
or
where
people
should
go
in
to
get
involved
with
blockchain.
So
that's
me,
I'm
about
two
years
old,
maybe
two
yeah
two
years
old
and
you
know
what
advice
would
you
give
to
your
younger
self?
You
know
looking
at
yourself,
you
know,
obviously
not
a
two,
because
we
don't
understand
that
as
well.
A
F
Don't
be
shy,
just
go
straight,
and
you
know
personally,
if
you're
in
the
audience-
and
you
want
to
get
into
blockchain,
feel
free
to
you
know,
connect
on
linkedin
and
drop
me
a
line
always
happy
to
mentor
and
to
find
you
know,
new
opportunities
for
new
people
on
the
in
the
industry.
If
the
industry
is
growing,
it
means
that
new
people
needs
to
come
in
and
if
people
don't
know
about
blockchain,
that's
a
good
opportunity
to
learn
about
blockchain.
So
not
knowing
about
blockchain
is
very
normal
and
also
as
an
industry.
F
We
are
figuring
it
out.
We
also
don't
know
we're
still
experimenting,
so
it's
all
good
so
come
come
in
and
join
us
and
by
the
way
I
can
see
your
questions
about
career
opportunities
in
organization.
I
reiterate:
shinseki's
hiring
for
engineering
roles
and
for
interns
in
marketing,
so
definitely
and
the
second
advice
second
and
last
advice
of
my
younger
self
in
blockchain.
F
So
just
consistency
is
really
overrated.
Don't
don't
be
shy
and
don't
be.
Don't
think
that
because
you
started
a
career
in
something
that
you
cannot
be,
but
I
think
you
are,
everyone
is
a
symphony
of
selves
right,
we're
not
just
one
monolithic
person,
so
nurture
all
of
them
and
just
go
in
and
be
you
know
quite
bold
and
fearless
about
it.
E
E
C
B
In
that's
really
good
advice,
and
actually
I
would
rather
like
directing
the
advice
to
my
younger
self.
I
would
like
to
direct
it
to
all
those
people
who
are
starting
their
professional
careers,
and
you
know
just
don't
be
arrogant,
but
be
bold
and
don't
be
afraid
of
getting
out
of
your
comfort
zone
and
making
mistakes.
That's
fine.
B
You
can
learn
a
lot
in
those
type
of
situations,
be
curious
and
don't
stick
to
one
thing,
especially
as
you've
seen
I
mean
blockchain
brings
together
so
many
different
things
right
and,
in
my
experience
it's
better
to
be
great
at
a
number
of
things
that
you
know
trying
to
be
the
best
at
one,
only
one
thing
and
maybe
for
something
for
life.
That's
also,
you
know
strive
for
balance
in
your
life
and
it's
not.
B
A
Well,
I
know
we're
at
the
at
the
at
the
time.
I
want
to
thank
all
the
panelists
for
putting
this
together.
I
wanted
to
thank
the
organizers
of
the
hyperledger
india,
regional
chapter
and
saint
gets
for
putting
the
panel
together
for
offering
you
know
these
opportunities
for
our
communities
to
talk
together
and
hopefully
to
be
able
to
learn
from
one
another.
A
I
think
hopefully,
what
we
came
out
of
it
today
is
that
we're
all
very
bullish
on
the
technology,
but
also
very
cognizant
that
it
is
about
people
it's
about
people
and
the
humans
and
the
the
goals
that
we
want
for
a
future,
a
future
financial
economy,
a
future
climate,
a
future
for
our
children
is
really
important.
So
thank
you,
alex
chilla,
kirsten
raji
and
to
leanne
who
had
to
leave
for
joining
us
and
once
again
thank
you
to
the
india
regional
chapter
and
to
the
saint
gets
team.