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Every month we invite developers from across the Hyperledger ecosystem to share about why they're using Hyperledger projects and why they are actively involved in the community.
Each episode features an in-depth discussion with a guest who is helping to shape the future of enterprise blockchain and their journey as a leader, developer and an open source contributor.
Conversations will delve into topics such as:
- Why they got involved with Hyperledger
- Why they're excited about the technology
- How they deal with the challenges involved in contributing to a large, global open source community.
In episode 2, Ben Thomas, who leads marketing and communications at Hyperledger Foundation sits down with Sophia Lopez, a pioneer in the blockchain space, who has been involved in the Hyperledger community from day one. Sophia shares her inspiring journey and career path, from studying Engineering Sciences at Harvard to her 10-year career at IBM and her most recent role as the President and Co-founder of the company Kaleido, who has been the main contributor of the Hyperledger FireFly Project.
During the discussion, Sophia provides valuable insights into her mindset, where her infectious energy and entrepreneurial drive come from, and how her early career experience in research, financial analysis, business strategy, PR, marketing, and communications led her to join IBM and focus on technology. Sophia also talks about her pivotal experiences at IBM that impacted her decision to leave and become a company founder.
Sophia delves into the birth of Kaleido, how it all began, and the challenges that turned into light bulb moments or key pivots. She explains the reasoning behind contributing the Hyperledger FireFly project to the Hyperledger Foundation and provides advice to other organizations about why they should consider getting actively involved in the Hyperledger community.
As a leader in the field, Sophia also shares her experience with diversity in building open source community and code, and her advice to women looking to follow in her footsteps. Additionally, she provides insights into the biggest misconceptions enterprise businesses have about adopting new technology and the advice she would give to business and technical leaders trying to understand it or overcome challenges to adoption.
Through this engaging and informative conversation, listeners will gain valuable insights into the Hyperledger community, the power of open source blockchain technology, and the importance of diversity in building a successful and innovative open source community.
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A
Welcome
to
The
Untold
Stories
of
the
hyperledger
community,
a
monthly
podcast
in
which
we
invite
developers
and
leaders
from
across
the
hyperledger
ecosystem
to
share
why
they're
using
hyperledger
projects
and
why
they're
actively
involved
in
the
community.
While
there
are
lots
of
venues
to
learn
about
the
what
of
hyperledger
Technologies,
this
show
is
focused
on
why
individuals
roll
up
their
sleeves
to
help,
develop
and
deploy
them.
A
Each
episode
features
an
in-depth
discussion
with
a
guest
who
is
helping
to
shape
the
future
of
Enterprise
blockchain
and
the
journey
as
a
developer
and
an
open
source
contributor
conversations
will
delve
into
topics
such
as
why
they
got
involved
with
hyperledger.
Why
they're
excited
about
the
technology
and
how
they
deal
with
the
challenges
involved
in
contributing
to
a
large
Global
open
source
community?
A
My
name
is
Ben
Thomas
and
I
lead
marketing
and
Communications
for
hyperledger
foundation.
Today
I'm
honored
to
welcome
Sophia
Lopez,
who
has
been
involved
in
the
hyperledger
community
from
day,
one
first
with
IBM
and
most
recently
as
president
and
co-founder
of
the
company
collido,
who
has
been
the
main
contributor
of
the
hyperledger
Firefly
project.
A
Sofia
welcome.
You've
had
an
inspiring
and
unique
journey
and
career
path
to
date,
from
studying
engineering
Sciences
at
Harvard
being
one
of
the
top
10
NYC
students
profiled
in
newsdays,
New,
York's,
best
and
brightest
to
a
10-year
career
at
IBM
and
most
recently
found
in
your
company
collido.
It's
clear
you've
always
been
a
natural
leader,
I'd
love
to
hear
more
about
your
journey.
B
B
Years
of
our
lives-
and
you
know,
decisions
and
paths
we've
taken
which
leads
to
where
we're
in
a
position
to
really
uniquely
contribute
to
the
things
we're
passionate
about
so
I
guess
in
terms
of
memorable
moments,
I
grew
up
in
New,
York
City.
My
parents
are
both
first
generation
immigrants,
I
didn't
we
didn't
have
any
relatives
or
family
in
the
U.S.
B
B
B
Kids,
kids
are
just
out
out
on
the
streets,
but
yeah
I
think
in
my
early
years,
really
pretty
captivated
with
reading
and
sci-fi
and
imagining
what
future
worlds
could
look
like
how
science
could
help
enable
new
ways
of
living
interacting
and
you
know,
when
I
went
into
high
school
I
guess
memorable
moments
there
in
that
it
was
school
that
just
started
letting
accepting
woman.
It
was
an
all-male
school
where
we
had
a
hangar
with
airplanes.
B
B
My
parents
at
the
time
thought
you
know
all
four
of
us
could
just
work
as
avionics,
technicians
or
mechanics,
but
I
I
did
want
to
go
to
college,
so
I
had
been
working
all
through
High
School
I
had
been
working
part-time
jobs,
but
I
was
also
working
towards
getting
figuring
out
how
to
pay
for
college
so
ended
up
applying
for
12
scholarships
and
I
won.
Seven
and
I
worked
worked.
My
way
through
college
I
went
to
Harvard
studied
engineering
there,
but
I
got
my
first
taste
of
working
for
Tech
startups.
B
It
was
out
of
necessity,
I
needed
a
job
that
I
really
enjoyed
being
the
the
first
employee
for
some
of
these
companies.
Some
are
still
very
successful
today,
which
is
great
and
I,
always
thought
at
some
point.
In
my
life,
I
wanted
to
start
a
company,
but
I
also
felt
it
was
important
to
gain
skills
perspectives,
so
I
New,
York's,
very
International.
B
My
high
school
was
pretty
diverse
people
from
all
over
the
world
there
who
are
also
first
generation
immigrants,
so
I
ended
up
living
different
parts
of
the
world
for
a
variety
of
years
and
worked
in
different
jobs
and
Industry.
Before
of
going
back
to
get
an
MBA
UNC
Chapel
Hill,
which
is
where
I
ended
up
doing
a
case,
competition
with
IBM
as
a
sponsor,
and
then
they
offered
me
a
job.
So
that's
how
I
ended
up
at
IBM
down
on
the
road.
A
B
B
Well,
it's
interesting
over
the
years
and
especially
I
did
a
two-year
MBA
program.
We
talked
a
lot
about
different
techniques
to
get
to
know
yourself
more
and
it's
part
of
their
leadership
program
because
to
be
a
good
leader,
you
really
need
to
understand
yourself
your
strengths,
your
blind
spots.
You
know
how
people
are
wired,
I,
think
some
of
the
some
of
a
person's
Baseline
State.
You
know
there's
different
assessments
like
Myers-Briggs
and
you
think
about
how
do
you
process
information?
How
do
you
make
decisions?
B
You
know
you
think
about
terms
everyone's
heard
of
like
extroverted
introverted
or
you
energized
around
others.
You
know.
Do
you
like
brainstorming,
you
know,
or
do
you
like
externalizing
decision
making,
or
are
you
more
of
an
introverted
thinker,
so
I
think
the
energy
level
I
I
always
thought
I
was
introverted,
but
I
I
realized.
A
B
I
spent
a
decade
at
IBM
and
is
working
with
teams.
Working
close,
you
know,
working
with
clients,
delivering
outcomes.
You
start
thinking
about.
How
do
you
really
position
people
to
be
successful?
How
do
you
bring
diversity
into
you
know
how
thinking
decisions
are
made?
How
do
you
bring
complementary
strengths
together?
B
A
B
A
B
Sure
yeah
I
did
the
Cayman
originally
in
the
strategy
role
then
and
I
was
in
the
software
group,
worked
in
sort
of
middleware
division,
called
Web
sphere
worked
in
a
product
marketing
role,
then
I
actually
wanted
to
see
why?
Why
do
clients
buy
from
us
and
what
problems
we
helping
them
solve?
I'm
an
engineer
by
training
I
had
worked
in
management,
consulting
and
other
roles,
but
it
never
had
any
role.
That
was
a
sales
role,
so
I
did
the
IBM's
training.
B
They
have
a
summit
school
training
for
people
within
two
years
of
their
latest
degree.
I
did
that
and
really
yeah
very
rewarding
working
with
cios
ctOS.
You
know
line
of
business
decision
makers.
You
know
all
the
way
down
to
the
engineers
in
the
data
center
really
understanding
what
companies
needed,
how
they
could
use
our
Tech
I
enjoyed
that
quite
a
bit
and
when
I
moved
into
product
management
roles
where
you're
the
mini
general
manager
of
that
business.
B
Having
that
holistic
background
across
a
variety
of
disciplines
really
helped
quite
a
bit,
and
then
you
know
so
you're
understanding
all
from
what
problems
are
our
clients
trying
to
to
solve
that?
Are
a
unique
problem:
that's
a
pain
point
for
them,
they're
willing
to
pay
for
solution,
and
is
there
a
market
around
that?
What
do
you
build?
How
do
you
bring
it
to
market
pricing,
packaging
Etc
and
then
how
do
you
sell
it
with
your
sales
and
marketing
teams?
B
Sort
of
the
whole
end-to-end
life
cycle,
I
realized
I,
had
across
all
my
life
experiences
and
different
roles
had
gathered
a
lot
of
the
functional
skills
to
to
look
at
both
strategy
to
execution,
for
a
role
like
that
and
I
ended
up
working
at
leading
product
management
portfolios
across
different
parts
of
the
company.
The
last
part
of
the
company
I
was
in
where
I
had
a
large
multi-billion
dollar
p.
B
L
was
in
the
systems
business,
so
Mainframe,
Hardware
software
services
and
I
specifically
had
all
of
the
merging
growth
areas,
so
mobile
analytics,
Cloud
security
and
I
started
looking
at
blockchain
thinking.
This
is
something
that's
very
transformative
and
it's
a
transformation
that
could
go
all
the
way
down
to
the
systems
of
Records.
It's
not
on
the
glass
like
some
of
the
web-based
apps
and
Innovations
over
the
years,
and
the
Mainframe
is
a
system
of
record
businesses,
so
you
think
about,
and
how
can
we
take
what
we're
good
at
and
use
that
to
help
power?
B
B
We
had
a
number
of
collaborators
in
the
industry,
so
the
name
hyperledger
came
from
one
of
the
collaborators
and
you
know
it's
fun
being
just
part
of
IBM
in
those
early
days
when
all
of
that
was
coming
together
and
then
I
worked
with
someone
who's.
Now,
my
my
co-founder
of
collido,
we
were
together.
He
was
on
the
cloud
team
to
launch
the
commercial
products
based
on
fabric.
B
So
when
we
launched
the
IBM
blockchain
platform,
which
was
the
world's
first
managed
service
running
nodes
as
a
service
blockchain
nodes
as
a
service
in
the
industry,
we
did
that
for
about
two
years
and
really
saw
clients
need
a
lot
more
to
be
successful
than
with
the
blockchain
or
web3
initiative
than
just
running.
A
node.
Node
is
maybe
five
percent
of
a
solution.
B
So
what
you
know
all
the
other
layers
you
need
of?
What's
really
the
middleware
for
web
3,
we
thought
would
be
really
important
to
offer
Plug
and
Play,
basically
a
Big
Easy
Button
for
clients
to
adopt
that
an
affordable
software
as
a
service
model.
Where
you
pay
for
what
you
use
pay
more
as
you
grow,
you
can
easily
onboard
and
scale,
and
that
was
the
Genesis
of
starting
collido,
five
and
a
half
years
ago.
So
that's
where
we
got
here.
A
B
Sure
I
think
what's
important,
having
worked
in
startups
and
certainly
having
worked
very
closely
with
our
clients
putting
yourselves
in
their
shoes.
You
know
people
are
looking
to
do
new
things,
whether
they're
an
entrepreneur
within
a
big
company,
their
line
of
business,
p,
l
owner
or
they
could
be
a
startup
founder.
They
need
to
show
business
outcomes
and
get
to
Roi
when
they
leverage
new
technology.
B
You
know
seeing
down
the
road
that
if
the
technology
is
hard
to
adopt
and
people
don't
have
the
tools
and
they
have
to
use
armies
Consultants,
who
are
building
custom
code
for
years,
then
those
companies,
governments
societies
not
going
to
get
to
the
benefits
of
the
transformative
promise
that
these
web3
Technologies
offer.
So
I
was
very
you
know,
passionate
about
what
web3
could
do
and
thought
you
really
need
to
build
a
new
company
from
the
ground
up
that
delivers.
A
A
B
Yeah,
that's
an
interesting
question.
I
think
because
I
had
been,
you
know
working
different
parts
of
the
company
lots
of
new
areas
of
tech.
As
I
mentioned,
you
know
analytics
space
and
Ai,
and
you
know
mobile
and
Cloud.
I
had
never
seen
a
technology
before
blockchain,
where
you
just
had
this
extreme
level
of
Interest
all
the
way
from
the
c-suite
down
into
the
data
center,
and
it
was
you
know
it
was
clear.
B
There
were
different
things:
captivating
different
audiences,
an
engineer
might
be
really
interested
in
the
white
paper
or
the
yellow
paper
for
ethereum,
whereas
the
CEO
is
thinking
about
how
we
could
transform
the
entire
industry
ecosystem
that
they're
operating
in,
but
it
very
very
proactive
interest.
You
know
people
calling
us
people
with
great
ideas,
really
looking
for
the
help
very
passionate
about
adopting
the
tech
deploying
it
scaling.
That
was
pretty
clear
from
the
beginning.
B
There
was
something
special
there
A
lot
of
times
when
you're
in
a
technology
space,
and
you
have
you're
working
with
products
you're
offering
the
market.
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
push
motion,
nickel.
You
know
you're
pushing
information
and
you're
trying
to
drive
conversations
and
reaching
out
to
people-
and
this
is
you
know
it's
all
inbounds
and
I'd
say
even
five
and
a
half
years
in
is
collido
just
the
amount
people
coming
through
our
digital
doorstep,
every
single
day,
the
biggest
brands
in
the
world.
A
B
Well,
I
think
there's
a
couple
parts
to
that
question.
So
you
know
there's
the
blockchain
tech,
which
I
think
I've
touched
upon
just
the
transformative
power
it
has
and
a
lot
of
benefits
of
decentralization
a
lot
of
the
the
ways.
If
you
have
you
know,
Global
uniqueness,
with
nfts
in
an
Enterprise
setting.
B
Obviously
you
know
people
know
about
nfts
from
digital
Collectibles,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
other
ways
you
could
use
it
the
ways
you
could
bring
Industries
together
around
getting
to
a
shared
view
of
the
data
really
working
together
around
shared
applications,
shared
business
logic.
You
know
what
that
aligning
incentives,
whether
that's
through
tokens
or
other
mechanisms.
So
really
it's
this
technology
that
for
the
first
time
lets
companies
work
together
in
very
collaborative
ways
with
trust
and
transparency
and,
of
course,
open
source
is
critical.
B
B
Yeah
I
think
when
you
start
a
company,
it's
good
to
have
a
vision,
that's
broad
enough
to
grow
from
day
one.
We
are
always
looking
at.
You
know
in
terms
of
what
we
do.
We
run
best
of
breed
open
source.
You
know
web3
open
source
that
enterprises
want
to
use
so
built
into.
That
premise.
Is
we're
going
to
be
adopting
new
technologies,
we'll
bring
new
things
on
board
as
Enterprises
our
see
value
in
it?
We're
not
religious.
We
provide
flexibility
and
choice
and
that's
with
the
open
source
Tech.
B
We
run
that's
with
the
type
of
communities
they
might
represent.
You
know.
In
the
early
days
there
was
more
of
a
religious
debate
between
private
blockchain
or
public
blockchain,
and
now
we
see
those
have
really
come
together.
There's
a
lot
of
hybrid
options
or
interoperability
or
app
chains
and
other
constructs.
B
You
know
in
terms
of
flexibility
and
choice
in
terms
of
clouds,
so
we
we
always
felt
you
can't
lock
a
blockchain
project
into
just
one
Cloud
vendor
so
offering
flexibility
and
choice
with
the
all
of
you
know
the
leading
clouds
for
deployment
options
as
well
as
hybrid
and
on-prem.
So,
providing
you
know
geographical
diversity
for
where
we
run,
you
know
security
and
compliance.
B
So
people
can
decide
where,
where
the
data
sits
from
day,
one
so
building
a
technical
Foundation
that
had
the
right
underpinnings
for
highly
regulated,
compliant
companies
and
industries
and
then
a
thesis
as
a
company
that
we
would,
we
would
be
running
the
best
to
breed
open
source
and
that
was
going
to
change
over
time
and
there.
This
is
one
reason
why
we're
active
in
the
open
source
communities
we've
been
contributors
and
maintainers,
because
we
run
that
code
down.
A
B
Yeah
I
think
nowadays,
most
Engineers
people
who
are
really
smart,
want
to
have
an
impact
with
what
they
do.
People
really
enjoy
working
on
open
source.
They
feel,
like
that's
part
of,
what's
motivating
for
them
career-wise.
They
like
we
use
open
source
tools
for
so
much
of
what
we
build.
This
idea
of
also
contributing
back
or
actively
helping
drive
an
open
source.
Community
is
very
appealing
at
the
individual
level
as
a
technologist
and
then,
of
course,
at
the
business
level.
It
helps
our
clients
in
Myriad
ways
and
I've
laid
some
of
those
out.
A
B
I
think
if
there
was
a
gen,
a
gen
1
way
of
building,
we
saw
people
felt
that
a
blockchain
project-
you
know
the
Enterprise
level
was
a
blockchain
with
some
smart
contracts
right
and
very
difficult
when
they
actually
started
building
something
that
would
replace
existing
supply
chain
or
a
letter
of
credit,
or
you
know,
track
and
Trace
provenance
all
sorts
of
use
cases.
You
know
that
that
were
the
initial
ones
that
sprung
up
those
are
some
popular
first
ones.
B
There
are
many
other
layers
that
needed
to
be
built
and
that
this
is
could
include
exchanging
private
documents
between
the
select
number
of
parties
in
a
network,
and
that
could
be
because,
although
it's
a
global
supply
chain,
people
have
bilateral
agreements
around
special
pricing
or
sourcing.
So
there
there
are
elements
that
make
sense
to
be
public.
There
are
some
elements
that
are
going
to
remain
private,
there's
also
gdpr
and
concerns
around
putting
sensitive
data
on
chain.
So
how
do
you
handle
from
a
smart
contract
perspective?
Sensitive
pii?
B
You
know
putting
data
on
chain
in
places
like
Europe,
where
there's
a
right
to
be
forgotten
and
the
GPR.
So
so
there
have
to
be
other
layers
to
the
solutions
and
I
think
people
ended
up
building
those
same
layers
over
and
over
again
in
a
custom
way
with
these
armies
of
just
coders
and
it's
very
hard
to
maintain
those.
Obviously
those
are
closed.
B
Source
they're
expensive
takes
many
years
to
get
time
to
Value
operating
in
that
way,
it's
hard
to
learn
from
best
practices
in
the
industry
overall
patterns
of
deployment
templates
so
they're
over
time.
Really
there
was
a
shift
to
more
of
a
Gen
2
way
of
building
and
I.
Think
that's
that
Gen
2
way
of
building
really
incorporates
a
lot
of
the
learnings
and
moves
past.
Some
of
the
initial
misconceptions
from
the
early
days.
A
B
Well,
I
think
it's
important
it's
important
to
the
communities
like
hyperledger,
specifically
for
open
source
when
a
lot
of
times
in
web
3.
Of
course,
almost
everything
there
is
open
source,
but
it
could
be
the
case
that
one
company
has
a
code
base
and
they
said
we
open
sourced
it
and
it
just
basically
flip
a
bit
on
the
GitHub
repo
and
that
could
change
from
one
day
to
the
next,
and
you
don't
know
what
the
governance
is.
How
can
someone
else
contribute
to
that?
B
If
you're
relying
on
it,
you
know,
are
you
guaranteed
it's
going
to
be
around
it's
going
to
and
our?
How
do
you
get
support
for
it?
Do
other
people
have
skills
around
it?
How
is
that
Community
going
to
grow?
Does
it
have
a
licensing
model
that
makes
sense
so,
if
you're
building
on
top
of
this
open
source,
are
you
inadvertently
giving
away
the
rights
to
the
IP
for
the
things
you
build
on
top
of
it
because
it
has
a
very
restrictive
license
to
it?
B
So
there's
a
lot
of
considerations
around
open
source
and
obviously
you
know
Enterprises
all
know
this,
but
just
giving
sometimes
I
think
Business.
Leaders
might
not
have
as
much
of
a
background
around
open
source,
licing,
schemas
or
governance
models,
so
I'm
walking
through
some
of
the
considerations
just
in
case
that
it's
helpful
to
anybody,
but
obviously
hyperledger
some
Linux
Foundation.
One
interesting
fact,
I
learned
last
year
about
the
Linux
Foundation,
is
that
90
of
all
the
open
source
and
production
that
enterprises
run
sits
in
the
Linux
Foundation.
B
The
Linux
Foundation
knows
how
to
govern
code.
They
have
some
of
the
most
important
communities
there
so
having
the
web
3
community
in
the
Linux
Foundation
that
that's
a
hyperledger
community
really
removes
a
lot
of
barriers
to
access,
because
anyone
can
join
the
meetings,
contribute
code,
there's
no
pay
to
play
there.
It's
open
to
everyone-
and
you
know
it's
one
single
repository
where
the
leading
projects
that
have
gained
Traction
in
the
industry
and
have
you
know
Advocates
maintainers
contributors
are
concentrated.
A
B
Software
as
a
service
as
a
delivery
mechanism
is
an
important
way
that
they
could
start
building
the
initial
applications,
whether
that's
proof
of
constant
pilot
moving
to
production,
moving
quickly
leveraging
code
bases
like
Firefly,
if
you
mention
that
sits
in
the
hyperledger
community,
has
three
quarters
of
a
million
lines
of
code.
So
it's
open
source,
it's
and
it's
being
used
by
Industries.
B
So
you
really
see
you
know:
50
to
100
x,
better
outcomes
when
you're
leveraging
these
open
source
code
bases
and
working
with
you
know
with
that.
What
the
community
is
driving
there
to
help
power
a
lot
of
the
really
plumbing
and
infrastructure
layers
that
need
to
be
laid
down
for
these
projects
and
then
companies
and
Business
Leaders
there.
Technology
leaders
can
focus
on
the
application,
the
value
that
they're
trying
to
drive
the
business
logic.
You
know
who's
in
the
network.
How
do
they
interact?
B
I
think
Ed
you're,
probably
familiar
with
Jeffrey
Moore
and
in
some
of
his
the
Seminole
book
on
crossing
the
chasm
so
they're.
Certainly
there
are
early
adopters
who
are
pretty
far
down
the
path
at
this
point
in
terms
of
what
they're
working
on,
and
you
know
dozens
of
different
initiatives.
You
know,
as
you
cross
the
chasm
and
the
early
majority
comes
online.
There's
this
new
Resurgence
of
Big
Brand
in
oil
and
gas
or
Big
Brand
and
the
payments.
B
You
know
payments
is
a
little
faster
but
they're
to
adopt
the
technology,
but
there's
a
lot
of
Corners
in
these
communities
where
people
were
slower
to
adopt
technology,
they
come
forward
and
I.
Think
on
the
education
front,
you
know
what
are
use
cases
I
should
be
thinking
about.
How
can
I
move
quickly?
What
are
my
peers
doing?
What
sort
of
results
could
I
expect?
So
there
definitely
is
is
a
role
for
for
that
in
the
industry.
What
we
try
to
do
as
clydo
to
help
people
is,
you
know
we
have
a
digital
funnel.
B
B
Oh
I
see
how
blockchain
is
driving
this
digital
assets
or
differentiating
what
you're
providing
here
on
this
technology
stack
or
entities
Etc,
and
then
you
could
just
swipe
a
credit
card
and
move
up
to
a
developer
tier
to
a
business
tier
and
get
your
projects
going.
So
just
really
removing
some
of
that
technology.
B
Friction
of
adopting
a
technology
make
a
huge
difference
in
getting
to
the
outcomes,
so
I
think
a
combination
of
learning
from
what
others
are
doing
from
a
use
cases
perspective
getting
your
hands
on
the
tech
and
then,
of
course,
you
know
it's
a
rapidly
evolving
space,
which
is
pretty
exciting.
The
web
3
Community
actually
is
a
very
cool
Community
lots
of
people
who
have
value
of
Envision
of
where
how
they
want
to
do
good
in
the
world,
and
that's
why
they're
in
this
community
and
trying
to
move
it
forward.
B
You
know,
there's
a
mix,
there's
a
mix
of
people,
as
there
always
are
so
I'd,
say
I'm
speaking
to
the
Enterprise
side
of
things.
In
my
last
few
comments,
you
know:
people
who've
known
15,
20
years
about
broken
processes
and
this
healthcare,
for
example,
just
knowing,
if
you're
eligible
for
a
procedure.
How
much
is
that
going
to
cost?
You
know?
Are
you
do
you
have
any
surprises
about
how
much
insurance
is
going
to
cover
at
the
end
of
it,
even
just
more
transparency,
around
outcomes
and
procedures,
recommendations,
there's
just
so
many
ways.
A
One
thing
we
hear
over
and
over
again
at
high
bloodier
Foundation
is
that
it's
much
quicker
and
easier
to
not
contribute
to
the
Open
Source
process,
which
is
often
true
in
the
short
term.
You
can
take
High
blood's
open
source
code
and
use
it
and
modify
it
internally
and
do
whatever
you
want
with
it,
and
you
save
time
by
not
engaging
in
community
discussions
or
going
through
the
process
of
contributing
back.
B
I
think
your
the
premise
of
the
question
is
pretty
interesting.
I
actually
have
not
heard
those
sorts
of
statements
made.
I
do
believe,
there's
a
litmus
test
to
are
you
really
using
software
open
source
software
if
you're
running
running
it
you're
managing
it?
It's
integral
part
of
your
solution,
you're
going
to
end
up
contributing
back
to
it
because
you're
going
to
find
things.
You
know
all
software
has
improvements.
You
know
there
there's
bugs
you
could
find
over
time.
There's
new
releases
things
change.
B
You
know,
so
these
teams
end
up
contributing
back
and
then
you
you're
going
to
have
some
sort
of
Enterprise
requirements.
So
if
you're
actually
using
the
software,
especially
you
know
if
you're
a
vendor
who's,
providing
it
as
managed
service
to
someone
else
or
you're
a
cloud
provider
who's
running
this
software,
providing
it
as
a
managed
or
hosted
service.
B
You're
they're,
going
to
be
contributing
back
to
the
code,
I
mean
we
as
part
of
delivering
collido,
had
contributed
back
to
the
kubernetes
communities
at
AWS,
kubernetes
community
at
Azure,
just
as
part
of
doing
the
cross
Cloud
connectivity
when
we
initially
launched
they're.
Evidently,
there
were
some
gaps
there,
because
not
many
products
spans
across
clouds
and
had
you
know,
created
this
one
virtual
Network
to
solve
the
nodes,
could
talk
to
each
other,
so
I
do
think
people
doing
meaningful
things
are
involved
with
these
communities
could
be
a
case
where
maybe
there's
some
experimentation.
B
A
B
Yeah
good
question:
so
when
we
initially
founded
collido,
we
really
felt
that
enterprises
need
a
full
stack
of
technology
to
be
successful
and
we
started
providing
that
and
growing
more
layers
upon
the
layers
that
were
really
important
and
a
couple
years
in
we
looked
around
and
we
saw
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
projects
at
The,
Ledger
layer,
the
protocol
layer
layer,
one
in
the
public
space
and
a
lot
of
those
head
tokens
associated
with
them.
There's
a
lot
of
excitement,
so
there's
new
ones
every
day
that
have
something
special
they
feel
they're
offering.
B
But
when
we
looked
at
the
layer
of
what
companies
need
to
be
successful,
you
know
governments
and
larger
organizations
that
on
and
off
chain
type
interactions
and
then
just
how
you
handle
data.
How
do
you
handle
oracles?
How
do
you,
you
know,
create
a
token
Factory
how
you
know?
How
do
you
handle
these
digital
assets
and
make
asset
tokenization
easier?
B
Those
sorts
of
layers
were
not
in
the
open
source
and
we
really
felt
for
the
industry
to
to
move
together
to
where
people
are
getting
to
the
Gen
2
approach
and
people
are
getting
to
successful
outcomes
that
this
needed
to
live
in
the
open
source
because
of
our
early
relationship
with
the
Linux
foundation
and
Hyper
Ledger.
You
know
we
had
a
natural
sort
of
understanding
of
what
that
could
offer
and
an
affinity
there.
We
did
look
across
all
the
communities
and
try
to
decide
what
could
be
a
best
home
for
the
code.
B
We
approached
a
hyper
Ledger
and
ceded
the
initial
contribution.
It
was
over
two
and
a
half
years
ago
and
it's
it's
been
a
great
journey
and
very
rewarding
to
see
how
quickly
that
Community
has
grown
and
how
successful
people
have
been
contributing
to
the
code
base,
adopting
it
integrating
it
into
their
production
projects.
A
As
part
of
the
Linux
Foundation
hyperledger
Foundation
shares
the
same
ethos.
All
are
welcome
we're
a
global,
open
Community
where
anyone
can
join
and
contribute
over
the
past
two
years.
Although
the
numbers
are
still
low,
it's
been
encouraging
to
see
the
number
of
women
working
in
blockchain
Tech
increase
from
8
to
12,
and
many
people
are
still
unaware
that
there
are
now
more
women
in
leadership
roles
in
blockchain
and
crypto
than
in
Silicone
Valley.
B
B
Great
yeah
I
love
it
when
you
look
at
the
future
and
technologies
that
are
going
to
shape
that
you
certainly
want
a
lot
of
diverse
perspective,
diverse
viewpoints,
diversity
of
thinking,
diversity
of
cultures,
backgrounds,
so
I'm,
a
big
believer
in
diversity
and
I
think
there's
been
a
lot
of
research
from
you
know:
management,
consultants
and
research
firms
that
have
shown
that
boards
that
have
you
know
that
are
diverse,
have
higher
return
on
Equity.
You
think
it's
30
or
more
higher
return
on
Equity,
so
I
think.
Fundamentally
it's
a
diversity.
B
Question
I
do
think
it's
challenging
in
larger
companies,
I've
seen
the
dynamic
where
it's
human
nature,
someone
who's
very
successful,
thinks
they
know.
What's
you
know,
success
looks
sort
of
like
them
and
their
set
of
skills,
their
way
of
thinking,
processing
information,
making
decisions
is
something
they
look
to
coach
others
with.
B
Think
and
people
are
reinforcing
what
they
want
to
hear.
Sometimes
you
know
we
need
to
show
we're
very
comfortable
with
what
we
don't
want
to
hear,
but
we
need
we
know.
We
need
to
hear
it.
So
I
do
think
this.
Just
you
know
gender
is
one
form
of
diversity,
there's
lots
of
other
types
of
diversity
and
even
gender.
B
You
know
obviously
itself
in
recent
years
there's
been
a
lot
a
whole
Continuum
of
ways
people
identify
and
how
they
describe
themselves-
and
you
know
so
I
think,
there's
a
lot
more
awareness
of
a
person's
identity
and
and
how
that
can
vary.
You
look
at
terms
like
Euro
Divergence,
and
you
know,
just
differences
in
thinking
is
part
of
that.
So
I
do
think
it's
a
society.