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Every month we invite developers from across the Hyperledger ecosystem to share about why they're using Hyperledger projects and why they are actively involved in the community.
Each episode features an in-depth discussion with a guest who is helping to shape the future of enterprise blockchain and their journey as a leader, developer and an open source contributor.
Conversations will delve into topics such as:
- Why they got involved with Hyperledger
- Why they're excited about the technology
- How they deal with the challenges involved in contributing to a large, global open source community.
Episode 1 features Tracy Kuhrt who has been involved in the Hyperledger community for several years in several roles. She was a Linux Foundation staff member who supported the community, she has been a developer and a project maintainer, for the last two years she has led the Technical Oversight Committee as the group's chair and she is the Associate Director, Blockchain and Multiparty Systems Architecture at Accenture. Because of the depth and breadth of her experience, she is a great guest to start our series with.
Hyperledger – Open Source Blockchain Technologies
Hyperledger is an open source community focused on developing a suite of stable frameworks, tools and libraries for enterprise-grade blockchain deployments.
It serves as a neutral home for various distributed ledger frameworks including Hyperledger Besu, Fabric, Sawtooth, Indy, as well as tools like Hyperledger Avalon, Cactus and libraries like Hyperledger Aries, Ursa. Learn more about Hyperledger projects: https://www.hyperledger.org/use
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A
Welcome
to
the
untold
stories
behind
the
hyperliter
community,
a
monthly
podcast
in
which
we
invite
developers
from
across
the
hyperledger
ecosystem,
to
share
about
why
they're
using
hyperledger
projects
and
why
they're
actively
involved
in
the
community.
While
there
are
lots
of
venues
to
learn
about
the
what
of
hyperledger
Technologies,
this
show
is
focused
on
why
individuals
roll
up
their
sleeves
to
help,
develop
and
deploy
them.
A
My
name
is
David
Boswell
and
I'm,
the
senior
director
of
community
architecture
at
the
hyperledger
foundation
and
I'm
speaking
today
to
Tracy
Kurt,
who
has
been
involved
in
the
hyperledger
community
for
several
years
and
several
roles.
She
was
a
Linux
Foundation
staff
member
who
supported
the
community.
She
has
been
a
developer
and
a
project
maintainer
for
the
last
two
years.
She
has
led
the
technical
oversight
committee
as
the
group's
chair
and
she
is
the
associate
director
of
blockchain
and
multi-party
systems
architecture
at
Accenture
because
of
the
depth
and
breadth
of
her
experience.
A
So
I've
known
you
for
about
the
last
few
years,
I
think
just
over.
You
were
here
at
the
Linux
Foundation
when
I
started
as
an
employee
and
I
think
we
pretty
much
interacted
fairly
regularly
ever
since
then,
but
I
really
don't
know
much
about
your
story
before
that.
So
I
thought
today
we
could
start
with
some
questions
that
touch
on
your
life
before
you
got
involved
with
hyperledger.
So
as
a
starting
point,
I
was
curious.
B
I
chose
it,
but
you
know
I
would
say
that
the
good
thing
about
it
is
it
really
led
to
me
making
decisions
throughout
the
rest
of
my
life
around
what
it
was
that
I
wanted
to
do
so,
for
example,
what
it
of
what
school
I
wanted
to
go
to
and
what
you
know
I
wanted
to
focus
on,
which
was
computer,
science
and
engineering.
You
know
the
first
kind
of
job
that
I
had
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
B
So,
even
though
I
made
like
a
decision
based
on
some
poor
reasoning,
I
think
the
the
decision
actually
ended
up
being
very
beneficial.
The
first
open
source
project
that
I
used
was
actually
slackware,
Linux
version
one
so
I
was
working
as
an
intern
at
the
time
at
GE
aircraft
engines
and
my
I,
don't
I
think
my
boss
came
to
me
and
he's
like
hey
there's.
B
This
thing
called
Linux
like
let's
go,
take
a
look
at
it,
see
what
it's
all
about,
and
so
like
24
disc
later
after
installing
them
and
getting
it
on
right,
taking
a
look
at
Linux
and
using
it
so
I
guess
it's
a
good
thing
that
Linux
was
made
my
first
one
to
be
able
to
say
on
this
podcast
that
you
know
for
the
latex
foundation
and
the
hyperledger
foundation.
That
was
my
first
experience
with
open
source.
B
B
16-Bit,
microcontrollers
and
I
was
working
on
adding
some
functionality
to
basically
make
the
code
that
we
were
putting
on
the
8-Bit
microcontroller
smaller
right
that
was
generated
from
our
compilers
and
in
doing
that,
I
was
using
the
assembler
and
found
some
bugs
in
the
code
and
so
I
contributed
those
fixes
back
to
the
the
community.
So
I
think
it's
a
pretty
typical
sort
of
experience
right.
You
use
open
source
code.
You
find
issues
with
it.
You
report
those
issues.
B
A
And
you're
right,
that's
a
classic
example
you're
using
something
you
needed
to
do
something
that
doesn't
and
you
can
you
know,
because
it's
open
you
can
show
up
and
do
it.
So
it's
great
so
I'm
curious
about
the
mechanics
of
how
that
Community
operated
because
I
think
all
open
source
projects.
You
know,
obviously
have
some
similarities,
but
differences
too,
like
was
there
anything
that
community
did
around
encouraging
contribution
or
recognizing
contribution
or
making
contribution
easier.
That
you
think,
would
be
a
good
idea
for
hyperledger
to
take
a
look
at.
B
B
We
communicated
via
a
mailing
list
to
report
issues
and
and
have
conversations
about
what's
the
best
way
to
fix
this,
and
those
sorts
of
things
and
I
I
really
think
that
as
maintainers,
the
best
thing
that
we
can
do
for
people
who
are
looking
to
contribute
is
do
our
best
not
to
turn
them
away.
Right
yeah
feel
feel
like
they
have
a
voice
that
they
are
part
of
a
larger
group
and
and
that
the
mentoring
occurs.
B
I
think
mentoring
is
so
important
for
new
new
joiners
to
a
community,
and
so
that
was
the
one
thing
I
think
I
would
take
away
from
from
that
experience
is
just
that
I
felt
like
there
was
somebody
on
the
other
end
that
understood
my
problems
and
was
willing
to
have
the
conversations
and
and
helped
me
through
the
process
of
contributions
very
similar
to
I.
Think
my
first
experience
at
hyperledger
as
well
in
contributing
code
to
hyperledger.
If
there
was
somebody
here,
his
name
was
Nick
gasky.
B
A
A
Yeah
I
mean
that's
a
great
example,
and
it
obviously
made
an
impact
on
you
and-
and
it
was
memorable
I
mean
you've
been
involved
in
the
community
for
several
years,
and
you
still
remember
the
person
who
helped
you
so
yeah
that
that
was
obviously
a
memorable
and
useful
experience.
I
think
that's
great
advice,
you're
right.
If
you
show
up
at
a
community-
and
you
don't
think
about
the
opposite,
nobody,
nobody
helps
or
nobody
responds
or
nobody
makes
you
feel
welcome,
yeah.
Why
would
you
stick
around
right.
B
A
Since
you
mentioned
mentorship,
I
I
guess
I'll
just
do
a
quick
plug.
You
know
the
hyper
Ledger
Foundation
runs
an
annual
mentorship
program.
The
2023
mentorship
program
is
getting
started
now,
I'm,
not
sure
exactly
when
this
will
go
live,
but
take
a
look
on
our
Wiki.
If
you're
interested
in
being
a
mentor
or
being
a
mentee,
take
a
look
at
our
mentorship
program
and
we'd
hope
you
apply
yeah.
B
A
Absolutely
every
year,
there's
really
interesting
projects,
so
yeah
I'm.
Looking
forward
to
this
year's
as
well-
and
you
mentioned
hyperledger,
so
I'm
curious.
How
did
you
go
from
being
a
Linux
user,
for
example,
to
ending
up
in
the
hyperledger
community?
Was
there
what
was
the
connection?
How
did
you
end
up
taking
a
look
at
hyperlender.
B
Yeah
so
I
think
it's
a
similar
sort
of
experience
to
how
I
got
involved
with
the
gnu
binary
utilities.
So
I
was
working
at
the
time
at
PayPal.
I
was
part
of
their
strategic
architecture
team.
My
boss
came
to
me
and
he's
he
had
just
been
to
an
IBM
think
conference
and
he
came
back
and
he
said:
hey
IBM
announced
this
thing
called
the
IBM
open
blockchain
platform.
B
A
B
A
Cool-
and
you
mentioned
talking
about
what
is
this
blockchain
thing
and
that
led
to
a
question
I
have
I,
do
want
to
talk
more
about
the
hyperliger
community,
but
I
do
think.
Maybe
people
who
are
listening
have
that
same
question.
What
is
this
blockchain
thing
all
about,
so
I
was
curious
before
we
talk
more
about
hyperledger.
Just
what
what?
How
would
you
answer
that
question?
What
is
blockchain
all
about,
but
because
I
think
there
are
reasons
that
people
could
be
really
skeptical
about
that
answer.
Right
now.
A
You
know
I
think,
for
example,
when
people
hear
blockchain
a
lot
of
people
naturally
think
of
cryptocurrencies,
and
there
are
certainly
valid
reasons
to
you
know.
Have
you
know
questions
about
that?
You
know,
for
example,
just
the
recent
collapse
of
FTX,
you
know
raises
questions
and
I
and
I
understand
that
blockchain
and
cryptocurrency
are
two
different
things,
but
maybe
not
everybody
you
know,
has
that
understanding
right
now,
but
I
think
beyond
that
I
think
there's
also
concerns.
If
you
do
kind
of
understand,
blockchain
is
a
separate
technology.
A
You
can
build
all
sorts
of
things
with
it
separate
from
cryptocurrencies
I.
Think
there's
even
concerns
around
that.
You
know
just
to
give
you
one
example:
I
was
recently
reading
an
article
with
the
title.
Blockchain
is
not
only
crappy
technology
but
but
a
bad
vision
for
the
future
and
the
author.
There
is
saying
that
some
people
treat
blockchain
as
a
futuristic.
A
Integrity
wand
was
his
expression
and
he
gave
an
example
like
you
can
set
up
a
blockchain
network
to
track
something,
for
example,
his
example
was
about
organic
mangoes,
but
he
said
there's
nothing
magic
about
that
system.
Somebody
could
still
put
bad
data
into
it,
so
that
data
is
not
necessarily
trusted
at
that
point.
So
when
you
talk
to
people
about
what
this
blockchain
thing
is
all
about
like
how
do
you
address
those
concerns
and
what
do
you
say
kind
of
the
role
and
the?
Why
of
you
know
why
somebody
would
want
to
look
at
blockchain.
B
You
know
given,
given
that
blockchain
basically
tracks
all
of
the
transactions
through
the
through
the
history
and
gives
you
that
you
know
log
of
of
what's
happened.
I
I
think
it's!
It's
really
interesting
to
think
about
that
difference
that
you
mentioned
right.
That
blockchain
is
a
technology
upon
which
we
can
build
other
things,
cryptocurrency
being
one
of
those
and
other
Technologies
like
the
decentralized
identity
projects
that
we
have.
There
are
focused
on
potentially
using
blockchain
or
not
right
and
I.
I.
B
A
B
B
What
are
you
trying
to
do
right
and
and
I
think
that
is
the
the
big
question
that
we
have
to
ask
and
have
answered
before
we
can
decide
whether
or
not
blockchain
is
the
right
right
technology
to
use
for
a
project.
What
are
the
requirements?
What
are
we
trying
to
solve
and
if
we
don't
understand
that,
then
we
shouldn't
be
using
or
choosing
the
technology
yeah.
A
For
sure,
well,
thanks
for
going
through
that
explanation,
I
hope
it's
helpful
and
it
gives
a
little
bit
more
context
for
for
everybody
listening
when
we
talk
about
what's
happening
here
at
hyperledger,
so
going
back
to
some
more
questions
about
hyperledger.
So
how?
How
did
you
go
from
just
taking
a
look
at
the
code
looking
at?
What's
going
on
in
the
community
to
ending
up
actually
working
at
the
hyperledger
community
as
a
community
architect.
B
Yeah
so,
as
I
mentioned
right,
when
I
was
taking
a
look
at
what
became
hyperledger
fabric,
I
joined
the
hyperledger
chat
and
was
basically
following
along
with
what
was
happening
there.
We
had
somebody
posted
on
on
the
board
right
we're
looking
for
a
community
architect
for
hyperledger,
if
you're
interested
to
make
your
resume
and
I
was
like
this
sounds
interesting
right,
I
I
think
that
the
technology,
the
blockchain
technology
is
extremely
interesting.
B
I
think
the
way
in
which
we're
combining
a
bunch
of
different
sorts
of
Technologies
in
a
different
way
was
interesting
and
I
wanted
to
dig
in
more
and
and
basically
say,
let's
get
in
on
the
ground
floor
and
and
see
where
this
leads
and
so
I
took
a
took.
The
leap
submitted
my
resume
and
ended
up
in
the
hyper-ledger
community
architect.
B
A
B
B
I
got
to
meet
a
ton
of
people
in
the
community
right
from
people
on
chat,
who
you
know
even
today,
I
have
people
tell
me
like
that
was
their
first
experience
in
meeting
me
was
talking
to
me
on
chat
right,
like
you
know,
to
actually
meeting
people
in
person
at
some
of
these
conferences
and
and-
and
you
know,
I-
think
the
the
network
right.
The
people
within
the
community
are
just
a
really
interesting
set
of
of
people,
and
you
know
I
I.
A
That's
great
and
then,
when
you
went
over
there
you
still
remained
in
the
hyperledger
community.
I
mean
it's
one
thing
when
you're
links
Financial
employee
you're.
Obviously
your
job
is
to
be
involved
in
the
community
and
then,
when
you
left
that
role,
you
still
stayed
in
the
community
and
I
I
I.
Suppose
you
didn't
have
to
so
what
you
know.
What
benefits
did
you
see
about
continuing
to
invest
your
time
in
the
hyperledger
community,
in
that
new
role.
B
Yeah,
so
so
the
role
that
I
took
at
Accenture
I
was
part
of
our
blockchain
practice,
working
as
a
technology
architect,
looking
at
a
number
of
different
blockchain
platforms
and
distributed
Ledger
platforms
and
one
of
those,
obviously
being
the
different
hyperledger
projects
that
exists,
and
so
really
for
me.
Staying
involved
with
the
hyperledger
community
is
about
again
continuing
to
talk
to
people
learning
what
they're
doing
with
the
technology.
B
You
know,
they're
trying
to
solve
some
sort
of
issue
and
and
really
just
having
those
conversations
is,
is
what
makes
it
worthwhile
to
continue
to
invest.
My
time
in
in
the
community
is
is
really
continuing
to
want
to
expand
myself
and
the
the
the
knowledge
that
I
have,
but
also
help.
Others
I
think
is,
is
another
piece
of
this
right.
Obviously
we're
a
very
collaborative
community
and
I
think
it's
so
so
very
important
to
to
work
with
others
and
and
understand
how
to
work
with
others.
A
Yeah
I
mean
I
feel
the
same
way
and
that's
why
I
I
mean
I
kind
of
accidentally
stumbled
into
open
source.
You
know
not
exactly
knowing
what
it
is,
but
that's
what
got
me
hooked
I've
been
involved
for
20
years.
For
the
same
reason
you
meet
people
who
have
a
shared
interest,
assured
passion,
and
it's
just
really
exciting
to
you
know.
A
If
you're
excited
about
something
it,
you
know
it's
great
to
be
surrounded
by
other
people
who
share
that
interest
and
want
to
and
want
to
work
with
you
on
whatever
it
is
that
you're
trying
to
achieve
so
that's
I
feel
the
same
way.
It's
it's
definitely
a
great
interesting
environment
and
speaking
about
community
members
I
did
it
felt
appropriate
if
we
were
going
to
talk
about
why
people
get
involved
in
the
community
in
our
discussion,
I
felt
it
only
appropriate
to
invite
community
members
to
take
a
part
in
this
discussion.
A
So
I
did
ask
on
the
hyperledger's
Discord
server.
If
people
had
questions
that
they
wanted
to
ask
in
this
discussion
today
and
one
person
did
submit
a
question
so
I
will
thank
that
person
for
their
contribution
and
then
ask
that
question.
They
wanted
to
know
about
recognition.
So
I
think
recognition
is
very
important
in
an
open
source.
Community
goes
back
to
what
I
think
you
were
saying
earlier
about
feeling
welcome.
A
If
you
show
up
and
do
something
and
nobody
says
thank
you
or
nobody
responds
or
you
know,
nobody
even
acknowledges
that
you're
not
going
to
feel
like
really
great
you're
like
well.
Did
anybody
really
care
that
I
did
that
thing
so
I
think
when
those
people
show
up
when
they
get
involved,
recognizing
them
in
some
way,
you
know
is
critical,
at
least
in
my
mind,
I
think
that
recognition
can
look
a
lot
of
different
ways.
Sometimes
you
know
people
get
T-shirts
if
they're
an
active
contributor.
A
Sometimes
they
just
get
a
thank
you
or
a
shout
out
in
some
way
we
sometimes
write
Spotlight
blog
posts.
So
the
question
this
person
asked
when
I
asked
for
questions
on
Discord
was:
do
you
personally
have
a
preferred
way
to
be
recognized
when
you
make
a
contribution
again,
there's
lots
of
different
different
people
may
feel
different
and
might
have
different
answers
like
I.
Don't
necessarily
need
more
t-shirts
at
this
point,
but
maybe.
B
A
B
B
B
I
know
at
the
Gold
forum
and
at
the
member
Summit
I
tried
to
call
out
you
know
the
hyperledger
TOC
and
just
recognize
the
fact
that
they
had
put
in
an
entire
year
in
helping
to
guide
the
direction
of
the
the
technical
community
and
I
think
that's
so
important.
Now,
I
I
will
say
that
I'll
never
turn
down
a
t-shirt
or
sneaker
I
I
actually
love
the
the
challenge.
Coins.
A
B
B
A
Yeah
I
really
like
the
coins
too,
and
for
people
listening
yeah.
What
we
started
doing
a
couple
years
is
creating
a
physical
hyperledger
coin
that
had
the
date
on
it.
So
you
could
point
to
say:
hey
I
contributed
to
this
community
this
year,
so
we've
kind
of
started
making
that
a
tradition
and-
and
we
are
since
this
is
the
beginning
of
2023.
We
can
share
that
we're
finally
we're
working
in
the
designer
right
now
to
finalize
the
design
for
a
new
coin
for
this
year.
A
So
if
you're
interested
in
getting
a
coin,
show
up
get
involved
in
the
community
and
we'll
be
happy
to
recognize
you
for
your
contribution
and
I
I'll
just
have
to
add,
on
top
of
what
you
had
said
too,
I
feel
the
same
way:
I,
don't
necessarily
want
a
spotlight
on
me
and
don't
want
to
be
up
on
the
stage.
So
it's
that
more
personal
one-on-one
connection
really
matters.
But
again
it's
interesting
people
have
different
preferences
and
then
you
know
was
meaningful
to
one
person
isn't
necessarily
meaningful
to
another.
A
A
So
I
think
we
have
a
little
bit
more
time
left.
So
I
am
interested
to
hear
more
about
what
you're
doing
currently
at
Accenture
and
again,
with
the
focus
of
this
discussion
being
on
the.
Why
of
things?
I
am
really
curious
to
hear
how
discussions
kind
of
internally
at
Accenture
have
gone
about
talking
about.
You
know
again
why
get
involved?
A
You
know
why
do
things
in
an
open
way,
because
it's
again
I
have
I've
been
involved
in
open
source,
for
you
know
around
20
years
at
this
point
and
I
think
the
reasons
why
not
to
get
involved
are
often
you
know
over.
You
know
often
kind
of
really
compelling
for
some
people.
You
know
I
think,
especially
if
you
have
short
what
I've
noticed.
If
you
have
short-term
deadlines,
if
you're
at
a
company,
that's
using
an
open
source
piece
of
code-
and
you
have
short-term
deadlines,
sometimes
that
kind
of
time
pressure
makes
the.
A
Why
of
getting
involved,
not
make
sense
right,
because
it's
often
quicker
to
not
contribute
right.
You
can
take
code,
modify
it
internally
and
you're
off
and
running
right,
but
to
try
to
get
that
code
that
you
might
have
modified
back
right
into
the
community
requires
extra
steps
right
and,
if
you
just
don't
have
that
time,
maybe
you
don't
do
those
extra
steps
right,
you
have
to
talk
to
maintainers
go
to
calls
submit.
You
know
you're
issued.
You
know,
there's
a
bunch
of
different
steps
right,
so
I
have
noticed
that
kind
of
the.
A
Why
not
to
is
often
really
compelling
so
I'm
curious.
How
do
you
address
those
concerns
and
say
no?
It
is
really
important
to
take
those
extra
steps.
Here's
why
it's
important,
why
we
really
should
not
just
take
the
code
and
use
it,
but
take
the
code
and
contribute
back.
You
know:
do
you
get
pushback
around
that
internally
at
your
role,
or
is
everybody
on
the
same
page
or
how
do
you
kind
of
address
those
concerns
if
they
do
come
up.
B
Yeah
I
I
think
it's
I
think
there's
a
couple
things
that
we
can
talk
about
here.
I
think
sponsorship
is
extremely
extremely
important.
Having
a
sponsor
in
your
organization
who
thinks
that
open
source
is
important
is
is
so
key
to
making
sure
that
you
can
contribute
and
that
there's,
no
roadblocks
that
are
put
in
place,
I
think
education
of
different
people
and
what
it
means
to
do
open
source.
B
You
know,
I
I've
had
conversations
around
different
sorts
of
Licensing
terms
and
what
that
means
for,
for
us
right,
I
think
those
things
are
important
to
just
to
bring
up,
and
you
know,
I'm
sure,
there's
repositories
of
knowledge
out
there,
because
people
have
been
doing
this.
You
know
for
many
many
years
and
you
know,
but
getting
that
knowledge
to
the
the
right
people.
The
people
who
need
to
understand
that
there
are
benefits
to
contributing
is,
is
so
important.
I
think
you
know.
A
B
Using
that
project,
then
maybe
you
should
contribute
to
to
what's
going
on
there
sharing
and
be
more
involved
in
that
Community
I.
Think
it's
so
important
that
people
recognize
that
you
know
people
are
investing
their
time
and
when
they
don't
have
the
time
to
invest
it's
very
possible
that
a
project
that
you're
very
dependent
on
goes
away.
A
Well,
you've
said
a
couple
of
things:
there
I'll
respond
to
and
you're
right,
I
mean
I.
Think.
The
composer
example
is
a
great
one.
You
could
say
the
same
thing
about
hyperledger
explorer.
That
was
also
an
end
of
life
recently.
Those
both
of
those
didn't
go
end
of
life
because
they
had
no
users,
I
mean
people
were
absolutely
using
them.
They
just
didn't,
have
maintainers
right
and
you're
right.
We
did
the
same
experience
that
we
had.
You
talked
about
with
composer
we
had
with
Explorer
too.
A
This
Catch-22,
so
yeah
I,
think
that's
definitely
a
compelling
reason
for
why
they
can
evolved.
If
you
rely
on
something
right,
you
wanna,
you
wanna,
make
sure
it
grows
and
evolves
and
meets
your
needs
right
and
the
only
way
to
make
sure
it's
growing
and
evolving
to
meet
your
needs
is
to
get
involved
right.
B
A
B
A
Agreed
agreed-
and
you
also
were
talking
about
that
kind
of
the
short-term
speed
kind
of
angle,
but
then
you
pointed
out
that
maybe
you'd,
maybe
you
do
go
quick
more
quickly,
not
contributing
in
the
short
term
but
you're
right.
It's
I
think
it's
absolutely
right
to
focus
on
what
happens
in
the
long
term.
Maybe
you're
heading
for
a
much
bigger
slowdown
later
right
when
you're
kind
of
internal
development
is
kind
of
completely
out
of
sync,
with
where
the
open
source
development
has
gone
right.
A
Maybe
you
saved
a
little
bit
of
time
up
front,
but
you're
gonna
have
to
deal
with
that.
You
know
time
at
some
point
in
the
future,
so
I've
kind
of
used
the
praise
in
the
past
and
I
don't
know
how
effective
it's
been,
but
I've
talked
to
people
about
go
slow
now
to
go
quickly
later
right,
I
mean
if
you
do
take
that
time
up
front
to
contribute
back,
you
will
go
more
quickly
later
right
because
you
will
be
doing
your
work
with
a
much
larger
team
right.
A
If
you
integrate
with
that
open
source
Community,
it's
not
just
you
and
your
internal
team
anymore
right.
It's
everybody
else
in
the
community
who
cares
about
that
same
project
too,
but
you
don't
really
get
that
benefit
and
unless
you
do
that
short
term
slow
down
to
really
integrate
in
there
right.
So
that's.
A
Yeah
absolutely
well
I
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
Beyond
just
contributing
to
open
source
code
Accenture
has
done
more
than
that
in
the
hyperledger
community.
You're,
not
just
contributing
to
a
given
project.
You've
also
started
projects
as
well.
So
is
that
a
different
calculus
like
how
do
you
say
it's
one
thing
to
say:
hey
we're
using
this
open
source
code.
We
rely
on
it.
So,
let's
get
involved,
I.
Think
it's
another
thing
to
say:
hey
we're
doing
this
thing
internally.
Do
we
open
source
it
or
hey?
A
B
Yeah
so
I
think,
with
both
hyperledger
bevel
and
hyperledger
and
cacti
again.
The
sponsorship
is
is
so
key
right.
We
we
do
have
a
sponsor
with
an
Accenture
who
believes
that
we
should
pretty
much
open
source
everything
that
we
possibly
can
right.
I,
I
think
I
think
with
bevel.
There
was
a
recognition
that
you
know
when
we
did
Proof
of
Concepts
we
Pilots
with
blockchain.
We
got
to
a
point
where
you
know:
oh,
let's
change
this
from
a
proof
of
concept
to
something
that
we're
going
to
put
in
production.
B
B
We've
we've
taken
it
from
hyperledger
Cactus
to
bringing
in
Weaver
to
making
it
a
cafe
right
and
really.
There
is
a
big
focus
on
talking
to
the
community
and
bringing
interoperability
as
a
whole
into
and
under
the
the
hyperledger
cacti
project
and
I.
Think
there's
been
some
some
benefits
right,
just
as
you
would
expect
right
when
more
people
come
in
with
their
ideas.
A
B
A
Yeah
and
I
agree
with
what
you
say
about
the
skill
and
I'll
just
give
a
shout
out
to
the
maintainers
of
the
Babylon
cacti
projects
that
you're
talking
about
I
mean
I,
see
them
doing
exactly
what
you
were
talking
about
earlier
about.
You
know:
how
do
you
bring
people
into
the
community
Peter?
For
example,
you
know
on
cacti,
you
know
is
out
there
and
very
welcoming
and
and
but
that
takes
his
time
right,
I
mean
I.
Guess
again
you
could
make
the
argument.
A
Peter
could
say:
well,
I'm,
just
gonna
be
heads
down
and
do
coding
right
versus
running.
He
runs
regular
peer
programming
calls
he's
on
Discord
he's
in
the
community.
Answering
questions
I
mean
that
that's
time
that
he's
taking
to
do
that,
but
I
guess
he
must
get.
You
know
a
return
on
that
benefit
from
that
right
and
and
I.
Think
one
of
that
you
know
benefit
is
cacti
is
a
very
active
Community.
You
know
Community
project
right.
B
A
A
And
I
would
say
if
you're
looking
at
you
know
these
two
projects,
you
know,
get
check
out
the
community
if
you're
seeing
like
what
is
it
I
mean
to
go
back
to
what
you
said
earlier.
Tracy
about
community
building
is
a
skill
if
you're
kind
of
wanting
to
see
a
good
model
of
that
I
think
both
devil
and
cacti
are
great
models.
So
you
know
this
is
all
open
go
to
their
Community
calls.
You
know,
no
invitation
is
necessary.
That
information
is
on
the
hyperledger
wiki.
You
can
just
show
up
right.
A
You
can
just
show
up
anywhere
right,
no
invitation
needed
on
Discord
or
in
the
mailing
list,
or
really
anything.
So
if
you
want
to
see
what
these
projects
are
doing
and
how
it
works
and
the
accountable
mechanics
of
you
know,
Community
Development,
you
know
show
up
and
take
a
look.
You
know
know
everything.
Everything
at
hyperledger
is
open
and
I.
Think
these.
These
are
two
good
projects
to.
You
know
check
out
just
to
see
how
it
all
works
in
practice.
B
A
B
A
B
Yeah
I
mean
maybe
just
to
summarize
why
some
of
the
topics
that
we've
covered
right
collaboration
so
important
when
you
use
a
project
contributing
back
to
that
project
in
some
way
shape
or
form,
be
it
a
bug,
fix
an
issue
issue
report
say
you
know
any
sort
of
documentation
or
education
or
blogging,
or
anything
that
you
could
possibly
do
to
to
help.
People
understand
answering
questions
in
chat
right.
B
These
are
these
are
things
that
help
other
people
get
involved
and
and
feel
like
that
the
project
is
moving
forward,
right,
I
think
that's
so
important.
I
think
you
know
having
sponsors
in
your
organizations
understanding
what
the
benefit
is
to
really
contributing,
and
you
know
educating
people
on
what
open
source
is
and
what
the
the
impact
of
being
part
of
these
organizations
are.
The
networking
that's
involved
right
as
we
we
go
back
to
some
of
the
really
early
questions
that
we
had.
B
A
I
think
that's
a
great
way
to
end
it.
Yeah
I
mean
if
people
do
have
additional
questions
you
you're
in
the
community.
They
can
ask
yeah
hop
on
our
Discord
server,
for
example,
I
think
that's,
maybe
kind
of
a
best
way
to
get
in
touch.
Although
there's
other
options,
you
know
again,
we
run
Community
calls
there's
mailing
lists,
but
if
you're
curious
to
get
on
Discord
and
talk
directly
to
Tracy
or
to
me
or
anybody
else
in
the
community
just
go
to
chat.hyperledger.org,
the
information
is
there
about
how
to
join
the
Discord
server.