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From YouTube: Internet Society Board of Trustees Meeting 148 - Day 2
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Internet Society Board of Trustees Meeting 148 - Day 2
23-24 November 2019, Singapore
Agenda available here: https://www.internetsociety.org/board-of-trustees/meetings/148/
A
A
We
we
were
receiving
several
reports
yesterday,
so
just
to
say
that
we
received
also
an
IEP
written
report
and
it
will
be
in
a
minute
and-
and
the
trust
is
you,
you
have
it
in
there
in
the
book,
so
so
I
mean
you
have
already
read
it,
but
anyway
for
completeness.
So
as
I
said
yesterday,
yesterday
we
spend
time
looking
into
the
action
plan
for
to
2019
and
the
status
and
what's
going
on
there
and
at
the
same
time
as
Sandra
will
will
resign
shortly.
A
Staff
has
been
working
very
hard
on
on
the
action
plan
for
2020
and,
as
we
said
yesterday,
we've
been
reaching
out
to
the
different
communities
and
it's
been
also
approached
to
come
up
with
everything.
So
so
we
are
actually
quite
excited
to
see
the
results
and
the
presentation,
so
we
will
basically
be
you
know.
As
usual,
you
know
presenting
the
general
action
plan
in
the
open
session.
Then
sandy
our
CFO
will
present
the
budget
in
the
closed
session
and
then
we
will
resume
in
in
open
session
as
well.
B
B
So
thank
you
for
taking
the
time.
Obviously
I
mean
you
all
have
the
time.
This
is
a
description
of
the
plan
for
2020.
You've,
always
you've
all
seen
the
text
that
goes
with
this
so
detail,
but
I
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
highlights,
assuming
that
you
approve
this
and
the
budget
that's
associated
with
it.
We
will
post
this
on
on
the
website
later
today.
Next,
please!
B
So,
as
you
know,
our
vision
is
that
the
internet
is
for
everyone,
and
this
is
the
guiding
principle
behind
behind
this
this
plan
for
next
year.
The
plan
is
fundamentally
based
upon
the
mission
and
the
vision.
The
way
that
we've
been
structuring
the
discussions
over
the
course
of
the
year
have
we
have
attempted
to
take
those
as
the
critical
guiding
posts
for
what
we've
been
doing
and
everything
that
we
have
been
working
on
is
guided
by
that
central
idea.
B
So
the
basic
idea
here
is
that,
just
as
we
talked
about
last
year,
we
have
an
open
globally
connected
secure
and
trustworthy
internet
as
the
thing
that
we're
trying
to
trying
to
reach
these
are
strategic
goals.
The
things
that
the
Internet
Society
is
trying
to
achieve
and
the
way
that
we
boiled
this
down
over
the
course
of
the
last
year
was
to
say
what
we
are
trying
to
do
is
build,
promote
and
defend
the
global
network
of
networks.
B
That's
the
thing
that
we're
working
on
the
specific
targets
that
were
aiming
to
to
achieve
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
is
make
it
is
make
this
a
reality
and
the
way
we've
done.
That
is
to
organize
this
into
thinking,
about
making
the
internet
bigger
on
the
one
hand
and,
on
the
other
hand,
making
the
internet
stronger.
So
this
this
these
pieces
all
fit
together.
B
B
In
order
to
do
this,
we
we
broke
out
a
number
of
things,
and
you
have
seen
some
of
this
in
a
presentation
I
made
to
you
previously.
The
fundamental
idea
here
is
that
when
we
talk
about
we're,
gonna
build
the
Internet.
What
we're
going
to
do
is
we're
going
to
extend
the
Internet
to
communities
that
do
not
have
it
and
need
it
most
now.
I
admit
that,
need
it
most
and
do
not
have.
B
It
are
both
things
that
we
need
to
define
precisely
that's
part
of
the
part
of
the
work
of
the
staff,
because
what
that
implies
is
that
we're
going
to
take
our
limited
resources
and
we're
going
to
apply
them
in
some
cases
and
we're
not
going
to
apply
them
in
other
cases?
That's
the
that's.
The
purpose
of
having
these
filters
is
to
be
able
to
say
this
is
the
target
that
we
need
to
meet.
B
We're
gonna,
promote
the
Internet.
We're
gonna
promote
the
internet
model
of
networking
as
the
preferred
model.
It's
been
interesting
to
me
that,
when
we've
presented
to
some
people
that
said
well,
what
is
the
internet
model
of
networking
which
I
thought
nicely
showed
what
the
problem
is
right,
because
if
we've
got,
if
we
have
the
Internet
Society
members
and
staff
not
entirely
sure
what
the
internet
model
of
networking
is,
we
are
in
a
deep,
deep
hole
and
we
need
to
solve
that
problem.
We
need
to
get
out
of
it.
B
We
need
people
to
understand
that
the
network
of
networks
is
the
way
that
we
build
this
stuff.
We
do
it
that
way,
because
you
get
a
better
system
out
of
it.
We
want
to
convince
key
governments
of
the
world
to
adopt
policies
that
favor
the
internet
model
and
improve
Internet
connectivity.
Now
you
might
say:
well
how
do
you
decide
who
key
governments
are
well,
this
is
you
know,
an
alliance
we're
building,
and
sometimes
what
that
means
is.
There
are
people
that
we
think
can
come
along
with
us
and
magnify
our
voice
in
certain
places.
B
In
other
cases,
it's
governments
that
we
think
are
our
influencers
in
a
given
given
region,
who
are
very
far
from
our
position.
There's
lots
of
ways
in
which
being
a
key
government
turns
out
to
be
true,
and
it
really
depends
on
the
particular
activity
that
you're
undertaking,
but
all
of
this
is
an
attempt
to
get
people
to
believe
that
the
internet
model
is
the
right
way,
we're
going
to
promote
the
deployment
of
technologies
and
protocols
that
secure
the
interconnection
of
independent
networks,
that
interconnection
of
independent
networks
is
really
really
critical.
B
Here
there
are
lots
of
things
that
you
could
say
on
the
secure,
but
the
critical
thing
here
is
that
we're
the
internet
society,
not
like
the
networking
society
in
general,
it's
really
about
the
Internet.
Similarly,
we
want
to
defend
the
Internet.
We
need
to
shape
the
policies
of
these
key
governments.
The
same
conditions
apply
in
favor
of
the
growth
of
independent
networks,
which
are
free
to
interconnect
once
again.
The
internet
model
stands
out.
Here
is
the
central
as
the
central
goal.
We
need
to
counter
attempts
by
key
governments
to
undermine
encryption.
B
Why
do
we
need
to
do
that?
Because
you
can't
actually
build
the
network
of
networks
without
that
kind
of
technology?
We
need
to
defend
against
shutdowns
by
increasing
cross-border
connectivity
and
resiliency.
The
goal
here
is
not
to
you
know,
tell
people,
oh,
you
are
bad
or
wrong
because
you're
shutting
things
down,
governments
can
make
decisions
about
that
their
sovereign
entities,
but
we
believe
that
the
internet
model
is
the
better
one,
it's
better
for
them,
and
we
want
to
show
them
why
that
is
the
case.
B
That's
the
that's
the
pitch
that
we're
trying
to
make
next
please
now.
The
way
we
want
to
do
this
this
year
is
an
overriding
focus
on
projects.
One
of
the
one
of
the
difficulties
that
we've
had
in
the
past
is
that
we
have
not
focused
on
specific
achievable
on
things
that
we're
going
to
do
and
and
and
I
think
that
that
isn't,
in
fact,
always
been
true
of
the
Internet
Society
staff.
Actually,
a
lot
of
the
time.
B
People
are
focused
on
those
on
those
projects,
but
it
doesn't
come
across
clearly
in
the
way
we
describe
on
what
we're
doing
so
this
year
we
are
making
the
projects
the
central
focus
of
the
way
we
talk
about
this.
That
project
then
a
lot.
The
project's
all
come
with
specific,
you
know,
identifiable
goals
that
we
can
measure
and
that
way
we
can
say
all
the
time
here
is
the
way
that
we
are
building
promoting
and
defending
the
Internet.
That's
really
the
goal
here.
It
makes
us
transparent.
C
B
You
it
makes
us
transparent
to
our
entire
community
and
it
makes
it
it
makes
it
possible
for
us
to
know
hey.
Are
we
moving
along
the
path
that
we
think
that
we
think
we
want
to?
So
that
is
really
fundamentally
the
idea,
but
the
other
thing
about
it
is
that
you
know
sometimes
the
the
the
Internet
Society
has
been
a
little
fuzzy
in
its
in
the
way
that
it
works.
B
You
know
it's
not
intended
to
to
say
that
anything
that
you
know
is
not
specifically
measurable
is
useless.
It's
not
there's
lots
of
stuff
that
you
have
to
do.
That
is
not
easily
quantifiably
or
measurable
and
it's
important
work,
but
if
you
can
convince
people
that
these
specific
measures
are
important
things
to
expand
the
internet
to
make
it
grow
to
build
it
and
promote
it
and
defend
it,
then
people
will
start
to
say
these
are
people
that
we
want
to
come
along.
B
So
this
is
part
of
the
diversification
strategy
that
we've
talked
about
before,
because
I
believe
that,
if
we
can,
if
we
can
achieve
this
kind
of
reputation,
then
we
can
attract
more
members,
more
members
who
want
to
contribute
to
us
more
partners
who
want
to
work
with
us
and
so
on,
and
so
that's
part
of
the
scaling
up
of
the
funding,
because
you
know
I
mean
we've
announced
this
transaction
and
so
on,
but
it
continues
to
be.
You
know
a
an
amount
of
money
that
is
not
the
most
in
the
world.
B
B
This
isn't
to
say
that
these
are
all
the
things
we're
ever
going
to
do,
but
this
year
these
are
the
ones
that
we're
going
to
focus
on.
So,
as
you
can
see
here,
there
are
eight
of
them.
In
the
end,
there
were
nine
candidates
and
in
the
end,
we
selected
eight
of
those.
So
that's
that's,
basically
the
fundamental
model
of
how
we
build
these
things.
Next,
please.
B
This
is
a
sort
of
conceptual
map
in
order
to
think
about
how
we
define
and
measure
the
effectiveness-
and
this
is
true
for
both
the
project
and
the
organization.
So
you
have
at
the
top
of
this
diagram.
You
know
the
sort
of
least
concrete
things:
the
vision,
the
mission,
the
strategic
goals,
the
focus
areas
and
so
on
through
the
projects.
As
you
go
down
the
as
you
go
down
the
diagram
in
the
very
faint
green
on
the
right,
there
should
have
tried
to
project
these
before
I
predicted
that
all
of
you
I
apologize.
B
Next,
please,
and
after
that,
so
we're
going
to
talk
now
about
the
particular
projects,
but
the
first
one
of
these
is
promoting
the
internet
way
of
networking
and
the
reason
that
I
that
we're
listing
this
one
first
is
because
this
is
one
that
we
think
is
most
important
and
conceptual.
We
need
to
remind
people
that
the
technical
properties
of
the
Internet
are
both
a
choice
about
how
we
design
the
thing
and
also
a
technical
fact
that
we
have
to
live
with.
There
are
choices
that
have
been
made.
B
You
know
20
30
years
ago
about
the
way
the
Internet
is
designed,
and
those
are
things
that
we
need
to
live
with.
Just
as
you
know,
if
you
look
around
there
are
cars
and
cars
have
made
facts
about
the
way
the
world
is.
There
are
roads
and
all
the
rest
of
that
you
know
100
years
ago.
The
city
didn't
look
anything
like
this,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
because
there
is
a
technology
that
has
changed
the
world.
The
Internet
has
changed
the
world
and
we
need
to
remind
people
that
gets
not
infinitely
plastic.
B
There
are
choices
that
are
embedded
in
it,
and
some
of
those
choices
are
really
to
our
benefit.
That's
the
other
piece
about
this.
We
need
to
get
people
to
support
the
internet
way
of
networking
because
they're,
forgetting
it
we're
seeing
like
you
know
it
used
to
be
that
we
worried
about
unfriendly
governments
who
thought
that
the
internet
you
know,
was
going
to
attack
their
way
of
governing
governing
or
so
on.
B
Now
we
have
governments
that
you
never
would
have
thought
thought
that
the
internet
was
a
problem
and
they're
attacking
the
model,
and
it's
partly
because
we're
not
defending
it
very
effectively.
We
haven't
told
the
story
of
a
why
this
model
makes
our
reliable
system
out
of
unreliable
parts.
It
is
a
valuable
system
for
all
of
humanity
and
we
need
to
make
that
much
clearer.
I
think
that
you
know
this
is
a
central
focus
of
the
staff.
B
B
We
haven't
selected
exactly
which
ones
we're
going
to
work
on,
but
you
can
imagine
it's
not
very
hard
to
figure
out
the
kinds
of
things,
though,
that
we're
looking
at
some
of
these
are
our
pieces
of
you
know:
quasi
legislation,
efforts
in
standards,
bodies
and
so
on,
where
we,
where
we
discover
hey
people,
are
trying
to
redesign
this
thing
in
order
to
be
a
centralizing
Najee.
So
we're
going
to
have
to
press
back
against
that.
That
is
the
central
focus
of
this
of
this
effort.
Next,
please
we're
going
to
work
on
encryption
on.
B
There
are
lots
of
people
who
are
working
on
encryption
in
various
ways,
they're
working
on
it
in
you
know
from
particular
points
of
view.
There
are
a
lot
of
people
who
are
worried
about
it
from
the
point
of
view
of
Human
Rights.
There
are
a
lot
of
people
who
are
worried
about
it
from
the
point
of
view
of
just
making
it
easier
to
deploy
and
so
on.
What
we
want
to
do
is
is
the
broad
story,
the
wide
engagement
about
this.
B
A
way
to
think
about
this
is
that
the
opponents
of
ubiquitous
encryption
technology
have
many.
Many
seasons
of
you
know
dramatic
television
shows,
like
you
know,
to
say,
oh
well,
we
got
to
stop
the
terrorists
and
the
baby
killers
and
what
we
have
is
an
independent
Canadian
production
and
we
need
to
increase
the
sort
of
production
values
of
the
story.
We
need
people
to
understand
that
that
the
choice
is
not
between
safety
and
and
privacy.
The
choice
is
between
one
kind
of
safety
and
another
kind
of
safety.
B
We
need
to
convince
people
that
the
safety
of
individuals
really
fundamentally
depends
upon
this
technology.
We
need
governments
to
understand
that
when
they
undermine
this
stuff,
they
are
threatening
their
ability
to
to
operate
their
citizens,
ability
to
protect
themselves
and
the
entire
banking
system
of
the
world.
That
seems
like
the
sort
of
thing
we
ought
to
be
able
to
say
convincingly,
and
so
far
our
story
has
been
a
little
bit
confused
and
not
always
not
always
as
focused
as
we
need
it
to
be.
B
So
that's
the
reason
for
this
focus
and,
of
course,
we're
gonna
work
with
other
people
on
this.
This
is
not
a
job
that
can
be
solved
by
any
one
organization
and
it
certainly
isn't
a
job
that
we
can
do
alone.
We
need
all
of
these
other
organizations
to
be
working
together
with
us
and
we
need
to
be
working
together
with
them
in
order
to
make
sure
that
this
is
a
story
that
carries
forward
next,
please
we're
going
to
continue
to
work
on
manners.
I
mentioned
yesterday
that
you
know.
B
In
particular,
we're
going
to
make
sure
that
that
Observatory
is
a
production
service
and
make
sure
that
we're
going
to
double
the
manors
membership,
but
in
targeted
ways
we
need
organizations
like
CDN
content,
delivery
networks
to
join
this
effort,
because
that's
how
routing
is
going
to
get
better
on
the
Internet
and
the
routing
problems
attack
the
infrastructure
they
attack.
The
internet
model
of
you
know
the
internet
way
of
networking,
and
so
we
need
to
fix
this
problem.
B
We
need
to
address
this
problem
in
order
that
the
people
who
have
an
alternative
model,
the
centralized
model,
don't
have
a
good
argument,
so
we
absolutely
need
this.
This
is
the
way
the
projects
fit
together
and
support
one
another.
Next,
please,
for
the
same
reason,
we're
going
to
focus
on
a
time
security.
This
is
I
will
grant
a
rather
small
project,
it's
quite
focused,
but
look
if
we're
going
to
be
talking
seriously
to
people
and
saying
you
need
encryption,
it
needs
to
be
ubiquitous
and
all
the
rest
of
it.
B
Then
we
need
to
have
reliable
time.
The
reason
we
need
to
is
because
all
of
the
encryption
depends
on
accurate
clocks,
so
we
can't
leave
open
and
just
ignore
the
fact
that
currently,
this
is
a
fundamental
problem,
so
we
got
to
work
on
it,
and
this
is
the
kind
of
technical
thing
that
the
Internet
Society
is
ideally
poised
to
to
address,
because
basically
market
solutions
are
never
going
to
work
for
this.
This
is
a
first
mover
problem
in
exactly
the
same
way.
B
B
We
have
to
refresh
a
bunch
of
our
a
bunch
of
our
IT
equipment
on
this
year
and
I'm
a
I'm
really
excited
about
this
project
in
part,
because
this
was
entirely
the
idea
of
a
bunch
of
people
on
the
staff
that,
like
it,
never
would
have
occurred
to
me
and-
and
they
were
like
well
we're
the
Internet
Society.
How
come
we're
not
doing
that
and
I
said
I,
don't
know,
that's
a
good
question
and
they
said
well,
it's
because
it's
hard
and
so
the
IT
staff
they
need
to.
B
You
know
refresh
a
bunch
of
our
a
bunch
of
our
stuff
and
what
they're
going
to
do
while
they
do.
It
is
write
down
how
they
did
it
and
make
videos
about
how
they
did
it
and
try
to
explain
to
people.
You
know
on
Stack
Overflow
in
those
kinds
of
places.
This
is
how
you
do
this
if
you're
running
a
modern
enterprise,
you're
a
small
medium-sized
enterprise-
and
you
want
to
do
this
kind
of
stuff
in
a
standards
way,
it
allows
people
that
was
it.
You
know
to
work
well.
This
is
how
we
did.
B
It
doesn't
mean
that
this
is
the
only
way
to
do
it
or
anything
like
that,
but
this
is
the
way
that
we
did
it
and
that's
really
fundamentally
the
goal
of
this
again.
This
is
a
this
is
not
a
huge
project,
but
it's
a
I
think
it's
an
interesting
project,
because
what
it
does
is,
it
shows
us
eating
our
dog.
B
So
those
were
all
our
projects
about
making
the
internet
stronger.
I
should
have
pointed
that
out
at
the
beginning,
the
next
these
ones
the
next
ones,
are
about
growing.
The
internet
X,
please
so
the
first
one,
of
course,
is
a
building
community
networks
and
I
think
that
it's
important
to
recognize
that
we're
having
quite
a
lot
of
success
here
and
also
that
I
genuinely
believe
this
is
one
of
the
only
ways
to
solve
a
bunch
of
those
problems.
B
The
other
thing
about
it
is
that
again,
it's
mutually
supporting
with
the
other
things
that
we
talked
about
like,
for
instance,
the
internet
model
of
networking,
because
what
it
does
is
it
says:
look
you
build
your
network
over
there
and
then
we
can
connect
it
together.
We
can
connect
it
together
with
other
networks.
That's
the
fundamental
model
of
the
way
the
internet
works,
and
we
have
forgotten
that
because
the
internet
is
so
ubiquitous
to
those
of
us
who
are
widely
connected.
B
B
B
That
maintains
this
thing
once
you've
got
the
thing
up
and
running
it's
easy
to
drop.
You
know
a
$5,000
switch
into
a
network
point
and
now
you've
got
an
internet
exchange,
it's
hard
to
make
sure
that
it's
still
working
here
later
and
that's
the
part,
that's
actually
the
really
critical
piece,
because
you
know
if
you,
if
you
just
drop
it,
you
know
you
drop
network
equipment
from
the
sky.
It's
not
always
that
helpful.
In
fact,
I
think
there
was
a
movie
about
this
right.
So
so
that's
the
that's.
B
B
Sometimes
people
see
this
and
they
think
that
what's
happening
is
you're.
Trying
to
you
know,
measure
things
in
order
to
create
competition
and
like
kill
things
off.
Sometimes
people
see
a
measurement,
as
as
an
attempt
to
you
know,
gain
a
lot
of
data
about
people
and
suck
it
up
and
so
on.
But
fundamentally
none
of
that
is
true.
Fundamentally,
if
you
want
things
to
get
better,
you
need
to
know
how
it
starts,
and
then
you
need
to
know
how
it
changes.
That's
what
we
need
to
do.
B
On
top
of
all
of
that,
we
have
been
struggling
over
the
past
year.
I
talked
a
little
bit
about
this
yesterday
in
our
relationships
with
governments
that
we've
been
struggling
in
a
number
of
cases
with
baseline
data,
because
the
you
know
you
talk
to
various
policymakers
and
so
on,
and
they
basically
just
don't
believe
you
because
they
got
nothing
to
work
from
and
there
are
there's
actually
a
lot
of
measurement
of
the
Internet
overall
what's
going
on,
but
it's
very
difficult
to
get
that
stuff
together.
B
If
you're
not
already
a
network
nerd,
you
can't
understand
it,
and
so
we
have
to
make.
We
need
to
become
a
clearinghouse
for
that
kind
of
information,
so
that
we
can
put
things
together.
We
can
work
with
all
of
these
partners
that
we
have,
and
then
we
can
say
to
people
whether
they're
government's,
whether
they're
business
people,
whether
they're
simply
civil
society,
it
doesn't
really
matter.
The
goal
is
to
make
it
clear
to
people
hey
look.
This
is
wait,
ways
in
which
the
Internet
these
are
ways
in
which
the
Internet
is
succeeding.
B
These
are
ways
in
which
we're
not
doing
so
well
and
we
can
improve.
This
is
what
happens
when
you
make
this
kind
of
change.
Our
consolidation
efforts,
the
the
efforts
that
we
talked
about
quite
a
bit
during
2019.
You
know
there
was
a
lot
of
study
around
consolidation.
One
of
the
things
we
discovered
over
and
over
again
was
that
there
was
a
you
know.
There
were
a
whole
lot
of
myths
about
how
this
was
working
and
ways
in
which
it
was
good
and
ways
in
which
it
was
bad
and
so
on.
B
There
are
things
that
people
said
that
if
you
went
and
looked
at
any
numbers
that
you
could
find,
they
didn't
seem
to
be
supported
at
all,
and
yet
it
was
something
everybody
knew
so
the
short
answer
here
is:
we
need,
in
fact,
to
have
a
way
in
which
people
can
understand
the
internet
and
understand
it
real.
We
can
have
fact-based
discussions
about
how
the
internet
works.
You
know.
Maybe
not.
B
Everybody
in
the
world
wants
a
fact-based
discussion
and
anymore,
but
I
happen
to
think
that
that's
really
important
and
I
hope
that
you
all
do
too
the
the
thing
that
I
will
say
is
that
we're
not
gonna
do
the
measurement
here
right.
We
have
a
lot
of
partners
who
are
already
doing
measurement.
There's
lots
and
lots
of
data
sets
out
there
and
we
can
work
with
all
of
those
people
and
it
would
be
foolish
to
try
to
rebuild
all
of
their
infrastructure.
B
We
are
the
Internet
Society,
not
the
internet,
controlling
Society
and
our
goal
is
to
is,
to
you
know,
work
with
all
of
these
people
who
are
already
doing
this
great
work
and
promote
their
work
in
order
to
show
it
off
and
say,
look
look
all
of
this
stuff
and
you
policymaker
or
you
private
foundation
or
whatever.
You
could
in
fact
improve
these
these
points
of
view.
B
If
you
wanted
to
fund
these
researchers
and
so
on,
so
it
gives
it
gives
the
researchers
an
opportunity
also
to
you
know,
sort
of
promote
themselves
through
us,
thereby
making
the
research
community
broader
and
better
supported
and
so
on.
Next,
please
now
I
think
that
this
slide,
as
you
can
see,
we
want
to
work,
is
a
cohesive,
Internet
Society
as
one
perhaps
over
the
last
couple
of
days,
we
have
sort
of
Illustrated
rather
nicely
why
this
is
couldn't
be
super
important.
B
So
this
is
one
of
the
additional
things
that
we
really
want
to
work
on
over
the
next
over
the
next
year.
Next,
please
so
we're
going
to
continue
with
mission
support
projects,
the
internet,
Hall
of
Fame,
a
windy
cover
is,
is
retiring
at
the
end
of
this
month,
and
so
this
is
an
opportunity
to
have
a
look
at
that
project
and
see
how
it's
been
successful
and
the
ways
in
which
it
worked
pretty.
B
Well,
it's
worth
noting
that
we
got
along
an
awful
lot
of
quite
the
precedent
that
this
year
and
it
drew
people
in
to
have
a
look
at
other
projects
that
we
were
working
and,
in
fact,
I.
Remember
somebody
coming
up
to
me
after
that
and
saying
I
was
looking
at
this
thing
in
the
internet,
Hall
of
Fame
and
I
had
no
idea.
You
were
different
community
networks.
B
B
Of
course,
we're
going
to
continue
with
the
with
the
Jon
Postel
award,
I
think
that
that
goes
without
saying
we're
going
to
continue
also
supporting
a
nd
SS
on
the
research
community
that
is
working
on
the
security
and
trustworthiness
of
the
Internet.
This
conference
is
really
very
successful.
It's
a
place
that
you
know
that
we
continue
to
foster
and
and
its
revenue
neutral
for
us,
so
I
think
that
we
should
obviously
continue
continue
that
work.
It's
a
good
conference
next,
please.
B
We're
gonna
change
a
little
bit
the
way
that
we
engage
with
the
community.
We
really
want
to
focus
on
improving
chapter
health
and
broaden
the
organization
members,
but
the
other
thing
we
want
to
do
here
is
focus
not
just
on
improving
chapter
health
of
the
weakest
chapters
but,
for
instance,
to
address
the
issue
that
Olga
mentioned
yesterday.
We're
strong
chapters
are
getting
a
little
bit
overwhelmed
by
perhaps
too
much
help
and
and
and
we
need
actually
to
hook
the
chapters
up,
so
the
more
successful
ones
can
help
the
less
successful
ones
and
teach
one
another.
B
This
is
a
community,
it
doesn't
need
to
be
right,
I
mean
we
don't
actually
operate
our
chapter
system.
The
way
we
think
that
the
network
works
best.
Instead,
we
operate
it
as
a
spoken--
hub
model
as
though
we're
some
sort
of
giant.
You
know
IBM
mainframe
in
the
middle
of
this
thing,
and
so
instead,
what
we
need
to
do
is
make
these
informal
connections
on
better
another
thing.
B
That
was
actually
quite
interesting
to
me
when
I
was
talking
to
to
one
of
the
chapter
Advisory
Council
people
in
Montreal,
and
he
said
well,
you
know
this
thing
that
we,
you
know
we
found
valuable,
is
not
gonna
continue.
You
know,
where's
that
gonna
go
when
I
said
well.
If
you
found
it
valuable
in
your
chapter
of
your
independent
organization,
you've
got
some
some
funding.
Why
don't
you
continue
working
on
it?
He
said.
Oh,
we
can
do
that.
B
You
know
this
is
the
Internet
there
ain't,
no
boss,
and
yet,
and
yet
there
was
this
worry
that
you
know
somehow
it
was
not
okay
for
chapters
to
to
act
independently,
not
all
of
our
chapters
have
that
view,
but
that
was
an
interesting
view
that
was
being
expressed
by
somebody
who's
quite
engaged
in
our
community.
So
I
thought
you
know
this
is
a
case
where
we
really
need
to
strengthen
that
chapter
model
and
remind
people
that
part
of
the
strength
of
the
way
we've
done.
B
This
is
that
the
chapters
are,
strictly
speaking,
independent
organizations
that
that
can
you
know
as
long
as
we're
aligned.
We
continue
to
remain
one
internet
society,
and
yet
you
know
they
can
focus
on
local
local
issues
as
well.
Obviously
we're
going
to
continue
to
work
on
our
global
and
regional
partners
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
try
to
make
sure
that
the
internet
societies
of
brand
and
and
sort
of
key
messages
across
the
organization
resonate
very
effectively
next,
please.
B
So
in
order
to
do
that
next,
please
we're
gonna
change.
The
structure
of
the
organization
and
I
already
gave
you
a
preview
of
this
in
Montreal,
but
this
is
the
first
time
that
we're
talking
about
this
in
open
public
session.
So
those
of
you
who've
already
seen
a
little
bit
of
this
in
preview.
I'm.
Sorry
that
you're
going
to
have
to
you
know,
hear
hear
it
again,
but
the
basic
ideas
here
are
to
reorganize
the
staff
in
a
way
to
make
it
easier
that
the
staff
organization
can
collaborate
with
in
itself.
B
So
our
prior
arrangement,
the
arrangement
that
we've
been
working
under
under
this
year,
for
instance,
has
these
functional
departments
and
the
functional
departments
are
not
really
mapped
very
well
to
the
projects
that
we're
working
on
and
the
reason
they're
not
really
mapped.
Very
well
is
because
none
of
the
projects
that
we're
working
on
have
only
a
public
policy
thing
or
only
a
technological
thing,
we're
only
a
problem
of
global
engagement.
B
That
none
of
them
are
that
instead
they're
all
things
that
really
need
to
invoke
involve
the
whole
of
the
Internet
Society
and
and
that's
as
that's
as
it
should
be,
because
if
they
were
straightforward,
narrow
projects
in
that
way,
anybody
could
do
it.
But
what
we
bring
is
this
ability
to
work
across
technology
and
policy
to
work
everywhere
in
the
world
to
engage
with
the
chapters
to
have
a
good
partnerships
to
engage
with
governments
when
that's
appropriate
and
in
ways
that
it's
appropriate.
B
That's
the
key
additional
thing
that
the
Internet
Society
does
and
then
only
the
Internet
Society
can
bring
to
the
discussion.
So
that's
the
idea
here.
At
the
same
time,
we
want
to
maximize
the
effectiveness
of
those
projects.
The
reason
we
want
to
do
that
is
because
we
believe
that
those
concrete
actions
are
what's
going
to
bring
more
people
along
in
order
to
see
that
the
Internet
is
the
way
to
build
networks
around
the
world.
So
that's
really
the
idea.
B
There
is
an
additional
component
to
this,
and
that
is
you
know
the
Internet
Society
or
our
revenues
are
not
growing
and
so
on,
and
that
means
that
the
size
of
the
organization
shouldn't
really
get
much
bigger.
Well,
you
know
in
internet
corporations,
normally
you're
growing
or
dying,
that's
kind
of
the
way
it
works,
and
what
that
means
is
that
there's
lots
of
career
opportunities
for
people
and
so
on.
B
That's
not
really
true
with
the
Internet
Society,
because
we're
kind
of
a
static
organization,
and
so
what
we
want
to
do
is
provide
you
know
an
environment
for
staff
to
grow
and
to
learn
things
and
so
on.
Without
always
having
to
have.
You
know,
ever-expanding
responsibilities
of
Management
and
so
on,
because
we
can't
do
that.
B
So
this
is
a
a
sort
of
stylized
diagram
of
the
way
the
org
chart
is
going
to
work
on
and
I
recognize
that
it
looks
like
it
might
have
exploded.
But
that's
really
not
the
way
this
works.
So
in
the
the
fundamental
idea
here
is
that
work
should
flow
around
the
organization.
The
intelligence
of
the
system,
just
like
the
intelligence
of
the
Internet,
should
be
at
the
edges,
should
be
on
the
outside
of
this
thing
and
that's
where
the
stuff
needs
to
get
done,
so
you
can
think
of
this
diagram.
B
B
George
and
Ringo
instead,
I,
don't
object,
there's
lots
of
ways
to
name
these
things,
but
I
have
named
them
according
to
the
cardinal
points
of
the
of
the
compass.
So
on
this
diagram
you
can
see,
the
top
right
is
marked
northeast.
The
top
left
is
marked
northwest.
The
bottom
left
is
marked
Southwest
and
the
bottom
right
is
marked
Saudi,
southeast
and
I
will
talk
about
it
in
those
terms,
as
I
talked
about
this
diagram,
so
I
don't
want
anybody
to
mystified.
B
Why
I'm
referring
to
the
northeast
of
the
southwest
or
whatever,
in
the
in
the
northwest
of
this
diagram,
you
can
see.
We
have
internet
growth
and
strong
internet.
Those
are
the
the
two
places
where
every
project
every
every
one
of
those
projects
that
I
talked
about
at
the
beginning
of
this
presentation
where
they
live
each
project
either
lives
in
Internet
growth
or
our
strong
internet.
These
are
going
to
be
headed
by
Jane
Kaufmann
and
Joe
Hall,
who
are
both
here
and
there
on
their
basic
tasks
here,
is
to
make
those
projects
successful.
B
B
The
people
who
work
on
the
projects
live
primarily
in
the
Northeast
here
as
subject
matter
experts
and
it's
like
a
pool
of
expertise,
but
just
like
at
a
big
law
firm.
You
know
you
have
junior
people
in
the
pool
and
you
have
super
senior
experts
in
the
pool
and
you
make
decisions
about
how
you
know
what
people
you
need
on
it
on
any
given
project
or
any
given
case
or
whatever,
based
on
the
needs
of
that
project
in
case.
B
So
there's
it's
like
there's
an
internal
economy
here
where
the
customers
for
for
the
project
are
in
the
northwest
and
the
providers
for
that
expertise
are
in
the
Northeast,
and
this
has
led
by
the
office
of
the
project
staff,
which
is
going
to
be
headed
by
Sally
Wentworth
who's.
Also
here
so
so.
Fundamentally,
what
we
have
is
on
the
north
side
of
this
organization.
B
We
have
a
group
of
people
who
are
responsible
for
delivering
the
projects
that
the
Internet
Society
is
doing,
and
everything
that
we're
working
on
really
should
fall
into
those
things
that
we're
working
on
right
now
now,
in
order
to
do
that,
you
can't
just
have
a
bunch
of
people
who
are
working
on
projects
because
that
sounds
like
you
know,
I
mean
that's
an
open-source
project
with
three
developers.
Instead,
what
we
need
is
a
large
scale
organization
that
supports
this
kind
of
on
this
kind
of
effort.
B
So
this
kind
of
effort
has
really
serious
expertise
and
it
has
clear
project
goals
and
it
has
people
working
together
to
do
that
most
optimal
microphone
in
order
to
support
all
of
that,
the
south
side
of
this
diagram
provides
the
necessary
functions
which
make
the
organization
strong
enough
to
deliver
those
results.
So
in
the
southwest
you
have
business
operations
and
the
CFO,
and
so
on.
Sandy.
A
specter
of
the
CFO,
whom
you'll
be
hearing
from
in
a
moment,
is
going
to
leave
this
group,
and
in
here
you
have
sort
of
standard
corporate
support
functions.
B
You
know
legal
is
here.
Corporate
Human
Resources
is
here
all
the
financial
reporting
and
business
systems.
The
IT
staff
are
here.
These
are.
These
are
systems
that
are
fundamentally
the
organization
needs
because,
because
their
function,
their
functions
that
every
organization
needs
to
provide.
That's
fundamentally
the
way
this
works
in
the
southeast.
We
have
the
office
of
strategy,
communications
and
engagement,
and
these
are
functions
that
are
supporting
of
the
rest
of
the
organization
but
they're
supporting
in
a
different
way,
they're
supporting
in
the
way
the
intranet
society
works.
B
So
this
is
where
our
engagement
with
the
rest
of
the
world
works.
This
is
amazing
to
hear
yourself
like
that,
but
this
is
the
way
to
that.
We
engage
with
external
partners
the
way
we
work
with
our
chapters
in
the
community.
So
we
have
external
engagement
here
we
have
community
engagement
last
year
these
were
sort
of
put
together
and
this
year
we've
separated
because
we
found
that
the
conjoining.
A
B
Mint
meant
that
they
were,
it
was
too
hard
to
to
get
both
things
to
work.
Well,
so
we
wanted
to.
We
wanted
to
place
a
renewed,
separate
emphasis
on
our
own
community,
as
opposed
to
our
engagement
with
the
rest
of
the
world.
We
also
have
here
the
corporate
communications
piece
of
this,
so
communications
that
are
directly
related
to
the
projects
and
so
on
are
going
to
be
fed
mostly
out
of
out
of
the
subject
matter,
experts
in
the
Northeast,
but
we
also
have
a
thing
that
is
about
you
know
the
whole
corporate
story.
B
Why
is
that?
What
is
the
internet,
and
why
do
you
have
it
and
so
on
and
that
lives
here?
Are
you
know
the
communications
aspect
of
our
work
really
suffuses,
all
of
the
things
we
do,
and
so
we
have
staff
in
lots
of
lots
of
parts
of
the
organization
planning
and
training
and
impact
management,
and
so
on
impact
measurement
and
so
on.
B
You
will
note
that
I've
barely
talked
about
my
own
role
in
this
and
that's
on
purpose.
If
this
works
well,
if
this
works
well,
I
will
not
be
very
important
and,
and
that's
the
goal
the
goal
is
to
make
is
to
make
the
organization
function
well
consistently.
Reliably
on
its
own
doesn't
need
constant
Corrections.
B
It
doesn't
need
constant
twiddling
with
it,
because
the
internet
didn't
scale
that
way
right
the
internet
scaled
by
growing
well
at
the
edges
and
working
independently
in
betweens
various
parts
and
plugging
together
over
reliable
connections
that
you
made,
because
you
know
how
to
do
it.
So
that's
the
goal
of
this
organizational
structure
that
the
organization
functions
well,
that
every
single
member
of
the
staff
knows
what
it
is
that
they
do
today
knows
what
they're
gonna,
whom
they're
gonna
have
to
rely
on
and
and
how
they're
going
to
make
those.
B
Those
connections
knows
how
to
talk
to
the
rest
of
the
community
so
that
if,
for
instance,
a
project
needs
to
engage
with
a
bunch
of
chapters,
they
know,
oh
I
got
to
go
and
talk
to
the
chapter
people
over
there
and
then
they're
gonna
come
and
help
me
and
then
that
that
function
just
continues
to
flow
around
the
organization.
The
goal
here
really
is
to
make
an
entire
staff
that
all
work
together
for
the
interests
of
the
Internet,
combined
with
our
whole
community,
all
of
the
people
on
the
internet
who
are
interested
in
these
things.
B
So
that
is
fundamentally
the
way
we're
going
to
do
this.
This
is
going
to
take
effect
at
the
all
staff
meeting,
which
is
happening
right
after
the
IGF
in
in
Amsterdam.
That
will
be
the
official
time
when
we
switch
the
organizational
model
and
the
staff
arm
have
been
apprised
about
this.
We've
been
talking
about
it
for
months,
I've
been
impressed
at
how
little
of
it
has
been
discussed
widely
on
the
internet,
despite
the
fact
that
we
have
this
this,
this
big
staff
I
think
people
have
been
working
hard.
B
C
B
B
A
Happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank
you
Andrew,
so
yeah
I
mean
we.
The
board
has
been
exposed
to
these
information
before
so,
but
it's
good
that
we
have
it
now.
I
mean
in
a
public
board
meeting
I
mean,
as
we
have
said,
I
mean
I
think
this
is
I
mean
it's
certainly
not
conventional,
but
it's
not
anything.
You
know
unheard
of
either.
So
this
several
organizations
working
so
so-
and
you
know
this.
C
A
Basically,
a
way
that
so
in
that
sense
is
good.
Regarding
the
action
plan,
I
mean,
as
I
said
before,
they
both
are
not
way
in
which
you
know
the
projects
have
been
built.
I
I
think
that
was
greatly
appreciated
by
the
board
as
well
and
and
I
think
you
know
this
is
a
very
different
way
to
basically
present
everything.
So
so,
as
I
said,
I
mean
I
myself
in
you
like
it
a
lot
so
I
have
a
lot
of
questions
here.
So
I'm
gonna
build
a
queue
and
I
saw
Mike,
pepper,
Amelie.
A
D
C
C
C
C
D
To
have
or
the
recognition
of
the
necessity
of
an
internet
technology
the
internet
way
of
doing
this,
so
that's
sort
of
a
developing
world
of
it,
but
in
the
developed
world.
That's
where
all
this
weird
policy,
all
the
policy
fights
are
happening,
and
so
so
we
necessarily
we
have
this
bifurcation
in
our
focus,
where
the
where
we
have
to
focus
on
the
developed
world,
in
particular,
to
prevent
bad
policies
from
becoming
reify.
D
It
occurred
to
me
that
in
that
context
we
ought
to
be
very
proactive
in
creating
the
flexibility
for
those
who
work
for
I
sock,
so
that,
rather
than
talk
about
you
know,
promoting
people
are
doing
other
things
are
building
out
opportunities.
We
also
need
to
be
very
proactive
about
career
development,
and
here.
B
Please
Anjali,
so
thank
you
for
that.
I
think
you're,
exactly
right
in
both
cases
and
and
I
just
want
to
make
two
quick
points.
The
first
is
on
the
bifurcation
thing.
B
From
the
point
of
view
of
the
network,
obviously
culturally,
and
so
on.
They're
very
different,
and
similarly
there's
much
more
in
common
between
like
Singapore
or
where
we
are
right
now
and
Tokyo
and
Chicago
in
terms
of
the
of
the
network.
Then
then
there
are
differences
despite
the
fact
that
culturally,
these
they're
all
very
different
places,
and
so
that
that
fact
actually
suggested
to
me
that
we
had
organized
ourselves,
thinking
regionally
and
it
was
an
overlay
that
didn't
work
perfectly
and
so
gradually
this
this
evolved
into.
B
This
idea
of
you
know
stronger
and
bigger
because
it
made
it
clear
that
actually
you're
quite
right,
that
these
are
different
kinds
of
problems
and
yet
they're
they're.
You
know
mutually
late.
So
thank
you
for
for
seeing
that
without
you
having
made
the
point,
because
it
shows
that
we
didn't
lose
our
way
completely
on
the
growth
thing.
I
don't
want
to
leave
the
impression
that
the
Internet
Society
doesn't
want
to
grow.
B
You
know,
as
the
Internet
Society
I,
just
don't
think
that
the
staff
function
is
going
to
grow
very
much,
but
the
Internet
Society
I
hope
is
going
to
be
poised
for
lots
of
growth.
I
want,
in
fact,
more
members
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
chapters
are
healthier
and
attract
more
people
and
so
on.
That's
part
of
our
goal,
all
of
the
world
along
so.
A
D
F
F
The
other
thing
that
you
know
cuz
I'll,
you
said
this
is
not
sort
of
a
normal
structure.
It's
not
a
normal
structure
for
for
a
corporation
for
a
traditional
company,
but
it
is
for,
if
you
think
about
it
as
a
consulting
group
model,
where
you
take
resources
and
you
use
them
so
I
think
this
is
the
other
thing
that
I
really
appreciate
is.
F
This
has
been
a
heavy
lift
for
you
and
and
the
staff,
and
to
do
that
at
the
same
time
as
keeping
everything
in
motion
under
the
current
plan,
you've
been
able
to
do
so,
there's
a
real
risk
because
of
uncertainty
and
so
on,
especially
among
staff,
but
things
get
dropped.
That
really
hasn't
happened.
I
think
that's
been
great.
F
F
Where
does
the
indicators
that
fit?
Is
that
subject
matter
experts
or
is
that
where
and
how
you're
gonna
do
that?
Because
there's
a
lot
of
data
out
there?
As
you
point
out,
it's
not
consolidated
some
of
its
crappy,
some
of
its
good
I,
think
having
the
Internet
Society
and
effective,
become
toward
the
gold
standard,
not
for
creating
the
data,
but
actually
to
benchmarking
it
and
is
a
single
source
of
truth,
where
people
can
come.
B
So,
thank
you
for
that.
You're
you're
you're,
quite
right
that
this
has
been
an
enormous
amount
of
work
and
effort
to
to
go
through
all
of
this
to
learn.
C
B
You
know
to
do
all
of
the
work
to
to
build
the
plan
for
the
next
year
and
to
see
the
long
way
out
and
to
do
this
year's
work
as
well
and
to
go
through
this
kind
of
transformation
and
and
also
to
just
follow
the
you
know.
The
potential
funding
changes
which
I
have
to
say
was
an
enormous
distraction
for
me
and
the
staff
didn't
know
about,
and
so
they
all
they
all
you
know
held
up
their
their
head
and
and
I
think
you're
exactly
right.
None
of
that
is
attributable
to
me.
B
The
staff
did
this
work
and
they
nearly
killed
themselves
this
year
and
I
I.
Just
am
so
grateful
for
the
amount
of
work
that
people
have
done
for
this,
so
it
really
has
been.
You
know
a
tremendous
group
effort
and
it
it
would
have
been
impossible
without
a
group
of
people
nearly
as
devoted
to
the
organization
as
this.
B
So
I
really,
you
know
I
want
to
make
that
that
crystal
clear
on
the
question
of
the
of
measurement
and
so
on
there
there
are
two
pieces
to
this,
so
so
one
is
the
the
focus
on
individual
measures
and
things
that
that
are
going
on
and
so
on,
and
the
projects
are
all
defined
in
such
a
way
that
we
have
a
number
of
project
indicators
and
things
that
and-
and
those
will
be
in
fact,
in
the
dashboard
that
I
showed
you
yesterday
and
so
that's
how
those
projects
are
going
to
be
measured
on
the
internet
measurement,
a
project
itself.
B
The
the
project
is
one
of
those
projects,
that's
living
in
the
in
the
northwest,
all
of
those
projects
are
and
the
project
there
is
to
build
this
dashboard
to
you
know
to
work
on
the
partnerships
and
so
on,
and
it's
a
great
example
of
how
this
structure
can
provide
that
function
and
the
structures
that
we
had
before
won't
really
work
at
it,
because
it
requires
good
work
through
the
partnership
development
that
that
people
have
to
do,
and
that
comes,
of
course,
from
the
southeast
in
that
diagram
whip,
but
the
people
who
are
working
on
the
project-
they,
you
know
they're
working
on
this
project
and
they
need
to
do
they
need
to
draw
on
those
partners.
B
A
Yeah
two
things:
thanks
pepper
for
bringing
this
up
because
I
mean,
as
as
you
obviously
know,
but
I
mean
like
like
stuff
know.
We
had
our
board
retreat
this
year
in
DC,
and
you
know
we
gave
like
a
very
brief.
You
know
speech
to
do
stuff
and-
and
that
was
basically
you
know
what
I
said
and
and
just
to
explain
it
to
everyone
that
we.
We
absolutely
know
that
that
they
have
been
super
busy.
A
We've
been
just
kind
of
you
know,
speeding,
ahead
and,
and
their
support
has
been
really
great
so
so
that
that
work
is
greatly
appreciated
and
and
I
have
weekly
calls
with
Andrew.
So
I'm
very
much
aware
of
all
the
challenges
and
on
everything
and
at
some
point
we
will
have
to
slow
down
a
bit,
because
you
know
I
mean
like
like
having
pigs
like
that.
That's
okay,
but
you
cannot
be
at
this
level
all
the
time.
So
so
we
are.
C
E
E
For
example,
the
sizes
of
staff,
the
budgets
for
each
various
line
and
the
diagram
itself
may
not
represent
some
aspects,
because
it's
all
centrally
linked
to
the
office,
but
might
not
be
that
way,
obviously,
because
your
workload
might
be
less
hopefully
happen,
so
maybe
a
little
bit
about
the
how
element
and
the
iteration
process.
Let's
say
you
started:
you
switch
on
the
new
system,
and
now
you
started
practically
speaking.
E
How
would
you
assess
whether
the
projects,
people
and
how
they
boil
away
the
pitfalls,
improvise
the
perception,
the
branding
issue
as
things
move
along
the
older
ways
of
think
thinking
and
working?
How
will
you
adjust
to
that?
When
do
you
have
your
emergency
meetings
to
address
installation,
maybe
a
little
bit
of
that,
and
also
the
connection
to
the
ISO
Foundation,
for
example,
in
terms
of
the
alignment
in
the
direction
of
this?
Do
you
have
these.
B
Yeah,
so
so
the
how-
and
in
particular
the
budget
is
going
to
be
presented
to
you
next
on
sandy
is
going
to
present
that
so
so
I
don't
want
to
get
into
that
right
right
now.
The
the
fundamental
way
that
the
project
systems
work
is
that
we
have
defined
these
projects.
We've
got
a
bunch
of
KPIs,
the
the
tussle
that
I
think
delivered.
Those
KPIs
was
fascinating
to
watch
and
tons
to
be
asked
to
adjudicate,
and
it's
been
it's
been
useful,
but
what
has
happened
is
there's
been
a
bit
of
a
crucible
there.
B
This
is
partially
in
order
to
solve
this
problem
that
we
were
talking
about
before
about
the
about
the
career
development,
right
that
one
of
the
critical
skills
here
is
to
be
able
to
figure
out
what,
whether
the
negotiations
and
so
on,
and
also
for
for
people
on
the
staff
to
say
but
wait
a
minute.
I
know
something
about
that.
I
could
contribute
to
that
project.
B
So
we
actually
have
people
bidding
for
things
and
saying
I
would
like
to
be
involved
in
this
and
you
know,
then
it
sometimes
it's
a
difficult
discussion,
because
you're
like
I,
don't
think
that
you
should
be
involved
in
this
project,
but
most
of
the
time
it's
instead,
like
you
know,
I
didn't
know
you
could
do
that
or
I
didn't
know.
B
You
wanted
to
do
that,
and
so
there
are
these
opportunities
for
people
to
involve
themselves
in
to
expose
capabilities
of
the
they
had
that
were
hidden
prior
to
prior
to
this
structure,
where
it's
much
easier
to
to
work
outside
of
your
lines.
So
on
I
mean
there
will
be
a
bunch
of
iterations
I
completely
agree
with
you.
That's
the
reason
that
we
need
to
have
those
sharp
agreements
on
you
know
what
is
it
that
we're
going
to
be
achieving,
and
when
are
we
going
to
be
achieving
them?
B
Because,
because
that
allows
us
to
say
hey
is
this
working
and
we
need
to
be
rigorous
about
that?
There
will
be
some
painful
conversations
sometimes
just
as
we
had
a
painful
conversation
last
year
about
you
know
the
IOT
project
and
whether
we
were
having
that
success
and
I
think
that
you
know
that's
one
of
the
responsibilities
that
you
have
given
me
that
I
need
to
deliver
those
kinds
of
things.
B
So
that's
my
job
and
sometimes
I
got
to
be
the
heavy,
and
sometimes
that
can
be
the
phrase
man
I
like
being
the
praised
man
most
and
and
it's
easy,
because
we've
got
a
staff,
we're
really
dedicated
and
doing
that
so
I
I
mean
I.
Don't
have
a
crisp
answer
for
every
project
for
you
here,
because
some
of
that
is
going
to
be
worked
out
in
iteration
itself.
Oh
yeah,
sorry,
the
foundation
I
think
so.
Yes,
we
are.
A
Yeah
and
that's
also
a
good
point
that
we
also
told
Andrea
like
like
guidelines,
we
gave
him
some
time
ago
that
it
was
I
mean
this
exercise
was
not
only
about
choosing
what
to
do.
But,
more
importantly,
what
not
to
do
so
in
that
sense,
that's
focus.
I.
Think
it's
important
that
maybe
it's
not
so
clear
by
by
just
watching
the
presentation.
So
I
mean
this
is
the
action
plan.
I
know
all
trustees
have
comments
and
everything,
but
I
will
ask
you
to
be
concise
because
I
mean
we
are
already
behind
schedule.
A
G
Then
Kiyoshi
that
I'll
drop
some
of
these,
but
I
will
say
that
I
am
the
messaging
I
think
is
crisper
this
time,
because
we
went
from
four
to
three
and
we
have
single
words
that
we
can
use.
So
it's
easier
for
us
and
everyone
else
to
remember
so.
I
appreciate
you
know,
however,
that
happened.
What
was
the
thinking
from
going
from
four
to
three,
though,
was
it
the
idea?
The
two
of
them
were
just
close
enough
that
they
were
like
defend
and
so.
G
B
Got
from
don't
promote,
dependent
to
bigger
and
stronger
yeah
I'm
right
that
it
turns
out
that
if
you
operationalize
these
things,
it
turns
out
that
they
boiled
out
nicely
and
and
each
time
we
knew
that
it's
useful.
And
yet
it's
still
useful
to
think
about
this
as
build
promote
defend
because
they
are
distinct.
You
know
at
one
point
people
or
say:
what's
the
difference
between
promoting
and
defending
and
I'm
like
well
I
mean
it
seems
pretty
obvious
that
in
some
cases
you
have
an
active
thing
where
they
don't
want
it.
B
G
We
tease
that
phrase
campaigns
and
we
funded
projects.
Can
we
just
use
projects
going
forward,
so
some
some
uniformity
supposed
to
make
sure
picky
on
a
term
I
like
the
idea
of
these
staff
videos
to
show
that
we
eat
our
own
dog
food?
Are
they
gonna
have
the
blooper
reel
to
where
they
show
where
they
blew
it
and
it
didn't
work
Amman
to
reconfigure
stuff,
I.
Think.
G
G
You
know
groups
or
sorry,
not
crews,
but
at
least
symposiums,
where
people
have
been
able
to
publish
papers
which
helps
them
be
able
to
do
stuff,
and
that's
great
the
staff
point,
and
that
are
the
people
in
the
Northeast
pool.
Who
are
these
subject
matter
experts?
Are
they
going
to
be
full-time
staff
or
like
contractors?
We
can
bring
them
on
for
a
certain
amount
of
time
and
then,
when
we're
done,
essentially
their
contract
is
up.
So.
B
Everyone
who
is
who
is
in
the
staff
this
year
is,
is
full-time
staff
and
we're
building
this
out
of
the
staff
that
we
have.
The
the
model
that
you're
suggesting,
however,
is
one
of
the
things
we
have
and,
as
as
things
change
within
the
within
the
staff,
it's
possible
that
one
of
the
things
we're
going
to
do
is
is
along
those
lines
where
we
have
experts
who
come
and
and
cycle
in
and
out,
depending
on
what
the
expertise
is.
G
B
So
yes,
but
look
it's
not
like
there's
nothing
to
do.
I
like
this
is,
but
this
is.
This
is
a
machine
that
we
have
just
built
and
and
a
machine
that
you
have
just
built
requires
some
time
to
get
working
properly
and
so
on.
There's
a
lot
I
mean
to
what
leads
point
right.
There's
a
lot
of
iterations
gonna
have
to
happen
here,
and
some
of
this
is
iteration
on
how
these
Hallie's
things
function.
So
I
don't
think
that
I'm
gonna
be
bored
anytime
soon.
Don't
worry
well
I!
H
You
I
really
love
the
you
use
the
world
of
the
independence
this
year.
You
didn't,
you
know,
specifically,
you
know
described
in
the
document.
Oh,
that
is
holy
in
a
whole
of
the
year
story.
You
mention
is
basically
in
dependency,
the
network
and
users,
so
that's
very
good
word
until
it,
and
also
regarding
the
measurement,
the
measuring
the
internet.
I.
Really,
your
concur
with
the
papers
comment.
You
know,
we
don't
need.
You
know.
H
When
we
decide
the
policy
actually
we
successfully
in
Japan,
we
make
a
kind
of
an
idea
about
evidence-based
policy,
making
that's
sort
of
level
government
I.
Think
then
important
thing
is
the
a
lot
of
government
staff
tried
to
make
their
own
data
right.
Then
we
really
want
to
show
them
that's
wrong.
That's
a
trust
with
data
that
is
a
really
important
function
that
are
suitably
regarding
the
leading
by
example,
of
open
standards.
I
think
that's
a
very
good
in
order
to
lease
independency
of
end
users,
so
you
can
say
that
is
really
especially
younger
people.
H
You
know,
try,
you
know,
tend
to
use
their
provider
or
depends
on
the
provider.
Right,
though
independence
means
they
can
build
a
network
by
themselves,
so
that
is
a
quite
important,
also
the
independent
from
the
proprietary
protocol
property
technology.
Yet
another
thing
so,
based
on
that,
the
last
treat
the
treat
of
DTC
I
asked
to
our
talk
with
the
staff.
They
really
want
to
try
to
a
new
system
for
the
eyes
of
yourself,
then
that
would
be
a
very
good
difference.
Referenceable
system
be
able
to
show
good
our
work,
but
that's
yet
another
huge
mission.
H
A
G
Hope
this
can
be
quick
and
looking
at
the
new
org
chart
it
nothing
personal,
but
it
bears
an
uncomfortable
resemblance
to
the
orbit
right
at
the
corner
of
the
Sun
King
and
I
realized
that
the
blue
boxes
are
intended
to
be
strong.
Little
managers,
the
concrete
plan
to
keep
this
from
killing
yourself
as
everybody.
What's
your
help,
the
weak
stuff.
B
So
actually,
I
I
feel
pretty
strongly
that
what
we
have
in
the
leaders
of
these
various
areas
are
people
who
who
don't
need
me.
You
know
on
the
north
side
of
the
of
the
organization,
Joe
and
and
Sally
and
Jane
you
know,
can
work
together
on
making
those
projects
successful
and
on
on
working
out.
You
know
the
ways
that
things
need
to
need
to
need
to
work
and
if
they
need
my
help,
then
I'm
available
to
help
with
that,
but
fundamentally
that's
their
job
and
I
don't
intend
to
to
interfere
in
it.
B
Similarly,
sandy
has
built
an
organization
of
people
for
the
operation
side
of
the
house
that
is
in
really
strong
and
and
can
produce
the
pieces
that
we
need.
I
believe
that
she
has
a
you
know,
an
incredible
ability,
astonishing
ability
really
to
function.
B
Sometimes
in
admittedly,
you
know
difficult
discussions,
hammering
those
things
out
together
and
then
agreeing
on
it
and
writing
those
things
down
being
clear
about
what
it
is.
We're
going
to
do
and
and
I
am
you
know,
they're
really
just
to
be
a
kind
of
counterweight
in
these
various
things
and
every
now
and
then
I
make
a
grumpy
comment.
So,
despite
the
fact
that
this
looks
like
this
looks,
like
you
know,
all
towards
the
center
I
I
recognize
that
that's
one
of
the
flaws
of
this
diagram.
B
F
A
A
So
so
just
I
mean
lots
comments
to
conclude
this
so
I
sent
some
minor
comments
and
I
think
I
was
discussing
with
Greg
at
some
point.
As
far
as
I
can
tell
the
last
version
of
the
action
plan
passing
address.
Those
comments
is
the
idea
that
we
approved
the
action
plan.
Without
I
mean
they
were
minor
comments
right,
so
so
we
kind
of
proved
them
without
being
addressed,
but
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
B
So
it
may
be
that
I
missed
ones
that
weren't
addressed,
so
we
probably
should
follow
up
on
that
I
mean.
Obviously
the
intention
is
to
resolve
comments
there.
It
is
possible
that
something
slipped
through
my
am
I
fishing
that
over
the
past
couple
of
months,
but
so
so
I'm.
Sorry,
if
that's
the
case,
but
our
intention,
of
course,
is
to
yes.
Yes,
no.
A
As
I
said,
they
were
minor,
so
I
would
be
completely
okay,
but
just
so
that
we
don't
drop
the
ball
and
then
one
one
theme
that
we
have
her
here
and
is
like
you
know
what
happens
after
this,
because
it
seems
like
we
are
trying
to
do
everything
at
the
same
time.
You
know
diversify
in
the
revenues
organization,
changing
the
structure,
changing
the
CEO
everything,
so
so.
In
that
sense,
it's
also
good
to
understand
that
you
know
the
turnover
of
of
the
board
is
good
to.
A
You
know
match
it
with
with
what
happens
in
the
organization,
and
this
is
what
we
are
trying
to
do
so
so,
if
you
think
about
that,
in
one
and
a
half
years
we
will
have
more
more
than
half
of
the
board
actually
cycling
off.
So
in
that
sense,
I
think
it
actually
matches
quite
well
with
you
know,
changing
things,
and
then
you
need
a
period
to
stabilize
as
well.
A
So,
from
my
perspective,
I'm
not
concerned
at
all
with
this
like
what
happens
next,
because
you
know
it's
probably,
if
you
think
about
not
the
role
of
this
board,
it
will
be
on
the
next
board
actually
doing
that
in
that
sense.
So
that's
the
way
I
see
it
perfect
and
then
to
finish
sorry
about
zoom,
because
I
couldn't
see
they
they
slide
properly.
So
to
look
at
the
small
print
and
for
some
reason
you
know
some
things:
it's
a
good
idea
to
overwrite
the
configuration
of
the
of
the
operating
system,
so
it
started.
A
You
know
just
talking
so
sorry
about
that
excellent
thanks,
a
lot
we're
gonna
now,
as
usual,
move
to
an
executive
session
so
that
you
know
sandy
can
present
how
I
mean
the
finance
is
that
support
this
action
plan,
which
is
also
important,
and
then
we
will
have
some
discussions
and
then
we
will
be
back
to
you
know
so
that
you
know
our
treasurer.
Richard
will
basically
know
give
the
report
and
then
we
will
be
ready
to
pass
a
resolution
to
approve
all
these.
So
roughly
I
mean
you
know.
A
These
discussions
is
difficult
to
tell,
but
roughly
we
will
be
back
online.
Let's
say
45
minutes,
something
like
that
and
I'm
going
to
take
it
from
there.
So
thank
you.
We
we
had
our
executive
session
where
we
were
discussing
the
budget
we
with
Sandy.
So
now.
The
next
point
in
the
agenda
is,
is
point
number
21
and
Richard.
Our
treasurer
is
gonna
comment
on
on
what
was
presented.
C
So
in
our
executive
session,
we've
reviewed
the
budget
as
presented
by
our
CFOs
Andy
I'd,
like
to
start
by
thanking
Sandee
and
staff
for
their
work.
In
preparing
this
budget,
it
was
a
very
thorough
kind
of
top-to-bottom,
look
at
the
organization's
finances
and
how
we
need
to
arrange
them
to
support
our
future
work.
That
said,
I
think
it
strikes
a
very
good
balance
between
the
change.
We
need
and
continue
in
ensuring
continuity.
So,
like
I
said
it
was
a
very
tough
to
bottom.
We
think
it.
C
The
action
plan
as
incurred
presented
earlier
and
points
us
in
a
good
direction
to
have
a
clearer
understanding
of
how
our
resources
are
being
used
to
do
good
in
the
internet
in
the
future.
But
it
also
is,
as
I
said,
it
is
balanced
with
continuity.
So
the
overall
evolution
of
the
budgets-
you
know
the
general
shape
of
it
is-
is
roughly
of
the
same
formats
as
in
prior
years,
and
so
it's
easy
for
us
as
port
numbers
to
understand
how
things
are
evolving
going
forward.
So
I
think
the
Finance
Committee
reviewed
this.
A
Okay,
then
I
need
someone
to
move
so
M
Hospital
moves
on
a
per
second
okay
and,
as
usual,
we're
gonna
do
a
roll
call,
because
these
this
decision
involves
money
and
same
procedure
as
yesterday.
You
know
state
your
name
and
then
your
vote
that
can
be
yes/no
abstain
and
we
start
with
Mike
and
go
in
this
direction.
So
Mike
whenever
you
ready
on
the
Mike
might
use
the
mic.
G
D
E
A
You
so
the
resolution
passes
unanimously:
okay,
good
yeah.
Let
me
explain
the
thanks
to
sandy
as
well.
I
mean
she
has
done
a
really
good
job,
this
time,
with
its
many
many
other
things
going
on
in
in
parallel,
okay,
so
so
this
actually
I
mean
it
takes
us
to
D
to
the
end
of
table
and
agenda,
but
we
have
a
topic
on
any
under
any
other
business,
which
is
that
the
ITF
NomCom
basically
sent
us
the
the
IAB
slide,
the
proposed
IAB
slide.
A
We
want
to
thank
the
ITF
NomCom,
because
this
has
been
extremely
fast
much
faster
than
other
years,
so
I
know
they
have
been
working
very,
very
hard
in
the
whole
weight
in
the
idea
of
meeting
that
ended
on
Friday.
So
the
idea
is
that
we
have
put
together
a
resolution
basically
to
approve
the
slide.
We
had.
We
discussed
this
late
in
the
in
the
executive
session
we
had
before
and-
and
you
know,
if
you
have
any
comments
before
going
to
the
resolution-
John
I've.
G
A
Okay,
I,
it's
okay
anyway,
yeah
one
point
is
that
usually
the
NomCom
they
want
to
announce.
You
know
this
late
at
a
certain
point,
so
so
we
will
not
be
disclosing
the
names.
At
this
point
we
will
pass
the
resolution
and
then
you
know
whenever
the
NomCom
discloses,
then
we
will
see
how
to
document
that
in
the
meeting
minutes
so
so
for
remote
participants.
You
know
we
will
not
be
disclosing
the
names
at
this
point
just
to
be
clear.
A
Okay,
I
think
we
are
ready,
so
I
need
someone
to
move
richer
moves
Olga
seconds
this
one
we're
gonna
yeah
guys,
so
we're
gonna
do
a
show
of
hands.
So
yes,
vote
no
and
abstain.
So
yes,
it's!
Yes!
Votes!
Abstentions!
No
votes,
so
the
resolution
passes
unanimously.
Okay,
thank
you.
So
now
opening
these
to
any
other
business.
In
addition
to
this
topic,
I.