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Internet Society Board of Trustees Meeting 148 - Day 1
23-24 November 2019, Singapore

Agenda available here: https://www.internetsociety.org/board-of-trustees/meetings/148/

A

Welcome to the 140 eighth meeting of the board of trustees of AIESEC. We are today in Singapore and and this is our q4 meeting. So sorry we are a few minutes late, but there were some logistical problems here and let's get started so you know welcome everyone. We didn't get apologies from any trustees, so we have. You know the whole board here, which is great and any declarations of conflicts. Given the agenda so Glenn, please a mic. So first land, the mic.

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A

Perfect so API.

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Related discussions, okay, thank you. Glenn Mike, please, this.

C

Is a very low level.

C

I discovered this morning that our street, for whom I work signed a letter opposing the NGO letter opposing the sale and I, was that none of that was cleared. That does not reflect like a meek, acted covertly within our street. What it really.

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Is that our street is their habit? Didn't ask me about anything so I'm gonna have a discussion.

E

With them, that'll be an entertaining and.

C

Comical discussion but I just want to be clear that there's no I, as you know, I'll know where I voted on the last in previous meetings and I'm still with with all that. This does not reflect any I will say how I found out, because it's which was that Desiree emailed me she said. I was very pleased to see that you, uh you know that you're our street signed on and so I approached.

B

I responded fully.

C

And frankly, with a wink, emoji yeah.

A

Okay, thank you. Thanks for the clarification, yeah there's not so much high conflict of interest, but yeah, it's it's a good education for for everyone, yeah thanks a lot and we'll have a Q&A session later to to talk about about that. So so that's great okay! Thank you! So so we can. You know, directly move on to point number two on the agenda which, as I always clarify this is not as in any resolution, it's just document. What was you know before, so it's just a formality, basically, um so John.

A

You want to introduce me very briefly your as.

F

Usual, since everybody is already voted for all these resolutions, presumably they know what they say. We can see, we've been they busy for it. Since the last lessons last in-person meeting thank.

A

You John yeah, we are, as you know, our ways of working nowadays we pass a lot of resolutions by a vote and- and this is where we document everything so thanks John and you know for the record, you can read all the resolution so moving through to point number three on the agenda, which is you know the approval of the minutes of the last meeting, and- and these are the four the trustees the minutes of day of the last remote meeting we had, which we had to you know recess and open a couple of times as there's some confidential information there.

A

We have. Actually you know well, you want to yea. Maybe John can explain that yeah.

F

I've made two version of the two versions of the minutes: there's a full version for everybody who was involved in the decision and then there's a redacted version which and in the full version you can see. It's brackets saying redacted around the cards that are left out and there were a few things, I think elected to redact until the last minute.

F

So there's a final version sent out yesterday evening, which is the one I want to approve and I guess when we, when we vote for it were, we are simultaneously approving the full version for our internal use and redacted version for public publication.

A

Yeah, thank you John. So any any questions on on that before we approve it. Yeah well, II.

G

Just checking into the minutes there are some senses that are missing information, I mean full version.

F

Mean if you think there are important things that we should put in, we can defer this until later and you can. We can talk at the break and see if they stuff that did you want me to add just.

F

It's just like a typographical error. We can fix that later yeah. What why don't we defer this we'll.

A

Come back later, okay, so we will defer it and- uh and if you can a well it, if you can send the your comment to the list or that John can look into it while while we are here and then if we talk in the break and then we'll pass it later, okay, so we will go back to two point number three well before any other comments. Well, number, three: okay good!

A

So we will come back to that later, thankfully, so so moving on to point number four on the agenda, which is to to amend the charter of the Compensation Committee. So so, as you know, um there were certain tasks by the Compensation Committee that we were not performing lately because they they don't need to be performed once a year.

A

So it was kind of you know not needed, but then we decided that we should actually have a clearer process because many of those things they were basically phrased as the compensation committee doing something while in reality is HR providing the Compensation Committee with information and the Compensation Committee will review that so things. You know we had some changes in HR.

A

I was waiting until basically, we we could have someone to talk to, and now we got on the same page with with the human resources department, so that you know they are clear and what type of information we need when we need it. Our time plan for approving and all that I also clarified, because some some of the goals were kind of mixed between, like setting the goals for the president for the following year and approving the goals from the previous year.

A

So in some sentences it wasn't really clear what goals we were talking about, because they are two sets of goals. Obviously, so, basically, um these are all you know clarifications, and you know also they work plan with the time frame and everything. So this is. This is basically the change that we were proposing and it was sent to the list um any comments before nope. Okay, so I need someone to move hans-peter moves. That per seconds. Are we gonna do a show of hands we've? You know?

A

Yes, no abstain, so yes votes, abstentions, no votes, okay, so they're resolution passes unanimously for for John to capture. Okay, thank you yeah! Those are minor changes, but but we still need to approve them. Of course, moving to point number, five on the agenda and oh and by the way, as I mentioned before my laptop, is not working, so I don't have any bad channel or anything.

A

So if you need to talk to me, just talk to me physically at a break or at some point or get my attention waving or or anything like that so email eyes, I still can do with the other devices. So so point number five, which is to amend a the procedures for for select interest is, and this was basically something that will lead introduced last time. You want to give a 30-second summary. Oh yeah, sorry, so it was the the point number five on the agenda.

A

You know they they procedures for selection trustees when we are changing the oh. No, no, no, sorry that! No, that that's a different one! No, so this is actually the yeah exactly the changes for the orc member, because we had two things: I was I was getting confused. Sorry! Well, if so, this is, as you may remember, in the net last amok meeting when we were in Montreal and and Andrew was in the ball pit.

A

um There was, you know certain proposals for, for you know, changes, and one of them basically involves the lower tires off of our members of our organization members, if basically to collapse them, so they were core copper, um yeah, the precious metals. But what was the names were copper? um Well, they are in the resolution, yeah.

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Anyway, I mean you have seen all the proposal, so this is about basically collapse in the lower tiers and they were like three of them and into one. The the reception by the omec was very positive. They were very happy that you know we were basically responsive. Okay,.

H

So Andrew, so the the former arrangement was platinum, gold, silver, bronze, professional, small enterprise in copper and and then there's waiting right so there's, respectively, on those it's six, five, four three, two one and one and and what we're doing is collapsing, that to just platinum, gold, silver, bronze and copper, and the weights are six five, four three and one there's no too late and there's also no duplicated one late and the reason for this. What this really is is a cleanup from the from OTA.

H

So so we we had multiple level of levels because we brought the OTA and it was an attempt to to put those two organizational models together and now. This is an effort to to make it simpler so that it's easier to explain the different levels to two members: yeah.

A

Thank you, yeah, that's what I meant, but I had forgotten the names like small enterprise and and all that and I mean we have Jean here actually I mean he can confirm. The reception was quite positive in in Montreal, so we we are just actually not confirming that that change. So any any questions before we vote on the resolution. Okay, so same process um I need someone to move all the moves here, ah see seconds and again show of hands. Yes, no abstain. So yes votes!

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Abstentions, no vote, so the resolution passes unanimously. Thank you and thank for as I said, I mean they are members.

A

They they were I mean appreciating actually our our capacity to to react to their comments because they original proposal, as you may recall, I mean there were some comments and concerns, so so I'm very happy that we were able to do okay, good, so so, moving to point number, six now being rushing a bit because, as I said before, maybe when we were offline in this meeting, we have a lot of heart stops and starts because the time difference is a bit inconvenient with with especially with Europe and especially with with America.

A

So we are like 13 Aware's, ahead of New York, for example. So in that sense we have to really hit some of the of the milestones on the on the agenda, and one of them is to get Eduardo to present the Advisory Council report. So do we have it word online already? Okay, this is great, so it's good that we couldn't cut SAP in time. Eduardo. Can you hear me I? Can.

I

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Give us one second to increase your volume. Okay. So, let's see if we can do that, okay.

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You hear got your man, that's perfect. Can you play bass on Eduardo's voice.

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I'm trying to put my video but I said: I cannot start the video because your ass has stopped it. So you can.

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Hear me: that's.

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A

Yeah, we kind of see you but um maybe can work on that. So you can start a none get going. Okay,.

I

So this is just say: this is going to be a very brief report of what we have been doing in the chapter advisory since last time we met. So if we move to the next slide, please.

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Can you hear me steel, yes,.

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We can we can okay.

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I'm sorry I something happened here: yeah any-any, how we.

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We can see the slides as well so okay, so set and Kevin are trying to get your your video apps. So, okay, so let.

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Me see no, it says it says that I'm not allowed to do it. Anyhow, I can, let's.

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Take one minute to try and fix it um so again, if.

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I get a message here when I start my media says my video. He says you cannot start your video because the host has stopped it. Oh.

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So I'm not sure I'll try.

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Will try again now it seems there. We.

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Go now I can see you.

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Yeah I don't see myself so I guess: I, look! Okay! Fine! You.

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It was worth it to to take one minute to fix it.

I

Anyhow, well, you know what start with the stealing community members. So just brief, so you know who we are I'm going to just review. Some of the advice work that we just sent to you recently and well, while we I expect all right looking ahead or what's coming so if you can move to the next slide, please well again this. This is where we are the people that are in the team for 2019 and we're covering your own election.

I

So this team will change going start in 2020 next one please- and this is the advice that we just sent recently and I- want to thank you even Solow for responding so fast to this and from these three advices there's the middle one, the iscope ecology program. We believe we send it too late, but since the I, so fellow cheapo and change it's going to change so they're ours database is there. So if this program is review in the future, please look at this advice and see.

I

If we can, you know, do something about what we are basing their and all these three advices we're going to circle back in six months, just make sure that you know to find out what the status of this I and and if you need to keep, follow up on them.

I

You know one way or another if you decided to close it or not, do anything, but that do something about it, then, if we just want to come back about every six months and see how this is going, so we don't lose this continuity, that we send the advice and I.

A

Think yeah I think that's really good because, as you know, I mean I, don't like when when we have an action point and we drop the ball, but on this specifically I mean when I got put, you add well back to you Eduardo and we were discussing I mean I, don't think, there's anything specific that the board should be doing now. No yeah.

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So that our expectations match no.

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This this, these advices are mostly happening between for staff and for award and again. This is this is advice. This is what's coming from the chapters, and so we just wanted to make sure that we can come back. We can go back to the chapter and say you know this happened exactly.

A

No just to just to make sure that you know I mean I'm taking you know, advice either. As for information like this one or for our action. So this one, my understanding is for your information, which you are confirming so so thanks to to keep us in the loop.

I

I'm just saying here that you know we expect your next theme of the se to come back in six months and just check yes. So thank you, but again is it would be a new team, se team, so you know they can do absolutely any of. Can we go to the next one.

I

Okay, so looking ahead, we started some discussion about the I soaked five-year strategy.

I

The topic is there I believe this strategy has not been proved yet I think it's going to be a proven this meeting. So we have this discussion topic. You also follow the strategy and see how it goes going forward and getting feedback from the chapters based on on this strategy. We have heard some chapters already that are concerning about the strategy about being too technical. There is, there is no in the strategy. When you look at it, there is no community anything for the communities, everything in technical.

I

So you know this is a constrained, as some of the chapters has. You know, white there's nothing there that for the community to follow so, but chapters would do what they have to do to support I submission in its own way. So we will keep you posted on this and and see you know what strategy started being implemented. Then we can be more in tune with it and see how? How is that reflected any questions rather yeah.

A

Okay, yeah and I believe I mean we have consulted the community on on this, maybe Andre. You want to clarify it so.

H

So there are a couple of things that I would say about this. The first thing is that you're right that we haven't adopted and the board has not adopted the any any five-year plan and just for clarity, what is being presented to the board for adoption today is actually only the 2020 plan. So the the longer-term stuff is the framework in which we're working, but the the only the it's the basis on which we were developing this, but we have not concluded a five-year strategic plan. So I I want to be clear about that.

H

But um it's also true that you know we have been. We have been I agree with you having um discussion and I hope that that discussion continues. That's part of the reason that we keep having so many of these consultations and I recognized that the consultations that we've had so far have not been as.

H

Maybe, as broad and detailed as everyone might like, you know, we can only start with one step and then we have to make multiple steps after that. But there is an intention here to continue to develop this with the community.

H

I I remain concerned about the the threat- and we talked about this and formally in Montreal I- guess that that there is a perception that there's only technical subjects here, because the view of the staff so far has been that what these mostly are, our policy issues that impinge upon technical areas, right I mean just to pick on one. The emphasis on encryption is obviously not you know, hiring a bunch of mathematicians, we're not make it a new primitive where I'm talking about how people deal with that.

H

So um it's pretty clear that we need to make that a little bit clearer for the community in order to engage and I really appreciate the feedback. Okay,.

I

Well, it's just something an impression what we saw in in Montreal. Indeed that breakfast it was about technical stuff. So that's it's! It is there. So you know, like I said we have to see how this evolved and and I'm. You saying that looking ahead, we will you know we have this discussion. Is it's there and we are talking about it, but you know: when we see the implement being implemented, then we will see how it goes. Okay, yeah.

A

And thanks for the feedback and just to stress Andrews point I mean, as you know, that the long term strategy I mean that's one of the things that the board works on and but you know we nevertheless want a bottom-up approach as well, so we get input from everyone, including obviously you know our our chapters. You know orgs I'm staffed, but at the end of the day you know at some we will have to basically discuss that in the board in more detail. So you know your your feedback and input is highly appreciated. Okay, thank.

I

You so the other thing is that we're in the mid in the middle of the elections, we're starting for the USC team and comparing right now there are only 26% of the chapters. I participated. Staff have solos that you know this is percentage increase like exponentially when we get to the you know closer to the deadline, which is the 21 of November, so we're still have deliver another week right to finish. This I mean yes, yes, and if we compared it to the twenty nine twenty eighteen, we got about.

I

Sixty four percent participation, which are here from SATA, is very good. So you know I see this as a engagement type. You know like a barometer of how many delegates are engaged in this Viceroy committee. You know, because you see them if they are interested in voting or not or at all, but they see how how its? How is it needs thing ends, and the new team will be in place by the meeting in with said today, the important January of 2012?

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That's what we do where we buy the old team, the new team and then there is an integration and then the new team goes off from from there. So there are no question this we can go to in that.

A

Year, yes, Olga has a question so.

E

Spanish one question: how long dude? How long is the mandate of those of you who are in that I cannot recall in this training committee yeah.

I

One year according to the Charter is one year and then I guess renew every year, and you know I was thinking the other day because I remember who was who I was talking to you and say, but you know we need to bring new people into the advisory committee and the steering committee and say well, but you know this is this: you need to have to have some kind of like many many boards in other places that you bring people about for three years and then then they start, you know getting new people in and they shadow you they'll empty these things.

I

You know, you know in a year and then just start and then they can pick it up. If you keep bringing new people- and mostly you know, if, if you bring people from new chapters really there is it's hard for these people to understand. You know where's what is asked. Oh I suck when it where is coming from and and it gets you know it gets you get acquainted with it.

I

It takes you here and by the end of the year, then you might be out- or you know, there's a new team and I believe this. This Advisory Council should be a tool. Well, you can get real feedback or consensus feedback from these chapters into whatever is what we're doing and and to do that, you have to have some kind of continuity.

I

You cannot change people every year, but that's the way the Charter is so maybe the team next year can look at the chart and see how this can be changed and do some kind of step. You know, increase the the mandate for the people to be three years and then it goes down it just rotates.

E

Question but I see the names of the persons in the committee now already in the list. So my question is: if you can be reelected? Oh yes,.

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Just asking yeah.

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You can be reelected many times, there's.

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Limit but for example, if you want, if you understand there is other people in your in your chapter, that can do this job because they have been there for a long time and they, you know, you understand they have they know enough and that and have the character to do this, and you want you to nominate them.

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You can't it's like the way the chapter was set up is that you can nominate only people that are currently delegates, I see so it's it's, but it was set up that way and I guess it was set up that way. So you bring new people or you know, because you don't want to be in the SCE next year. It's like you to quit before to allow other delegate. You know tweak to have all the delegate, so we can nominate.

I

Thank you well,.

A

I mean yeah I mean, but but you say, make sense that there's some issues with the governance, so I mean yeah. Changing like you know, having longer terms and limiting terms- and you know clear succession strategy- I mean I- think that would be great, so yeah.

I

Because really you really want to have an advisory committee that is effective. That brings you, information that you can use to make us look better and if you keep changing, you know this changes every year. You know it's just the the process that you have to go through. It's really a whole year can pass and you will receive nothing yeah, okay,.

A

So please, please, keep us updated on on these discussions. Thanks, okay,.

I

I will so the next, the next and last slide has to do with the we're going to have a full chapter, AC meeting in September this September in December 17th of this year. This meetings ready to report what we have been doing during gear and the advice and so forth. But I already have chapter asking me to have this item in the agenda, which I'm going to have it and and I think is going to be a hot item that will probably explain the whole meeting talking about this, so nothing in speak.

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Specifically, we have been formulary us at outcome of this is coaching at this moment, but I just wanted to make you aware that this conversations going to happen in December, 17 and I believe some kind of something is going to something is going to come out from from that meeting. Maybe a declaration I, don't think it's going to be an advice, but it would I. Would you know we are going to try to make it whatever it is? There is a consensus document if it happens to be from the chapter.

I

So when you get, if you get something from this conversation, you will get something that is not what one person says and to paper per se. Where will be a consensus from the chapters and and and as far as I know, part of the responsibilities we have the Advisory Council is that we are like the voice of the chapters.

I

So you don't get all this noise I mean the way I have read and I keep reading lots of mail and- and there is one common message that I have seen in all the emails, the husband, you know people. Some people are happy that the sales come to help. You know they are not. Maybe others are happy poses happen this way or the sign, not because it's happening another way. There is a common common thread and is that the chapters were taken by surprise and they were not. They didn't know about this.

I

Maybe it's the message that it was the way was it was announced or like that I don't know, but as a common thread, it's a I think it's a communication. You know chapters when I read this I feel people in many chapters from all the chapters are more active than others feeling that they have been.

I

This is my own perception. I mean I I feel that they're second-class citizens with.

A

So ed well, I I, agree, I mean I've been always reading. The I mean I. I have also been reading. The mailing list and, as you know, andrew has been putting a lot of cycles. Answering those emails, so so I mean we care a lot about. You know addressing concerns and informing things. I think, as you said, that this may be a communication or a misunderstanding issue um about the governance of I so coming and we will. We will tackle that in the Q&A we have later, but I mean I.

A

Think people need to understand the legal requirements when when you know we cannot simply disclose something, because it's not that we don't want to do. It is because we cannot do it by law and, as you can imagine, we have to comply with that and and then I mean last time we change the governance of I soaked in any significant way with seven years ago. Something like that and, as you may remember, actually the chapters got more weight.

A

So you know now there's like four four people that they are selected by chapters and everything, but by no means we became like an organization that that you know can break the law and consult things that that you know it is in the board's mandate. So so maybe a clarifying those things would be would go a long way so yeah. Let's talk about that and, as I said, we're gonna have a Q&A later. Will we will talk about these in more detail, but thanks for the heads up and keep us updated, yeah.

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I just wanted to let you that this conversation has happened there so and you know we will communicate what whatever Christine is going to be there, so she can bring back. You know her feedback on that. So.

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All I have okay.

A

Thank you do add, though um yeah this is great and thanks for keeping us updated on on, you know all the the activities you know, things that are gonna happen, things that has happened and thanks for also they follow up on they on the action points and recommendations that that's that's really good, to have a stretch, a way to to understand. What's going on, do we have any questions or comments?

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Sean I just want to say thank you for the clear report. Oh you.

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Said the structure was really good. You know information very well structured, so yeah I appreciate that it well thanks a lot yeah well.

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Thank you for all of you for giving me some time to give you this report I, you know it's. It's always appreciated excellent.

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Thank you thanks a lot.

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Now I can go back to sleep. Oh yeah.

A

I know yeah. The time is inconvenient for, for many people that are gonna join us, so yeah thanks a lot Eduardo Thanks.

A

Okay, so um okay good perfect, so so this is another of the obviou okay. Let me okay good. This is the beauties of not having chat room using paper, so I would just read in they. They know what I got so so what, as I said, you know we have some heart stops and heart starts from. One of them is to have Elliott join us to to talk about the mailing list and he's gonna be ready in 15 minutes.

A

So I suggest that we break before so we have the break, and then we take you know half an hour to to basically fix the remaining list issue and and to give you a heads up. As you know, the issue is that we had to reconfigure the list, but I didn't want to reconfigure it des when we were remote, because if something bad happens like you know, things start going to spam or you don't receive email.

A

This is absolutely not acceptable, so we will do everything on the fly and Elliott will will do that in 15 minutes, so coffee break or 15 minutes and for remote participants we will be back in 45 minutes, so thank you. We we managed to fix our mailing list, you in the break, which was great, and we want to thank Elliott, the game for the support and, and now we are basically as I said.

A

We have very you know hard times in in this meeting, because we have many people joining remotely and everything up for this meeting for this presentation, which you know Jimmy is gonna deliver is one of those that you know we may have. Actually you know Christelle joined remotely as well, and some people may want to follow it. So that's why we we waited until now so deem the floor. Is yours.

B

Thank you very much appreciate I guess crystal has not yet joined us, but that's okay, we'll go ahead and go forward. She can come in with when she gets yeah.

A

Because late, the presentations are the same thing, so we kind of really.

B

So, thank you very much for the opportunity to report on on behalf of the Omak and our activities here going forward this morning, you should have received a two-page, more detailed report of all of our a summary of activities for the year and what I have here is two slides in which I just highlight a few things for discussion here. So there's no action or request from the board, so we can just go through the the talking points here and I think that will suffice for discussion here with the board. So next slide please.

B

So this is a summary quick highlight of a few things over the course of the past year. We do put as a as a first of all that up here. Increased engagement, but I want to be careful not to overstate that too much, because organizational members do tend to have a much more limited frequency or number of members who get engaged. Having discussions in that as compared to the chapters and chapter delegates and that kind of thing.

B

But nonetheless, we we have been able to run some surveys to get people to register and indicated interest in meetings and topics, and we have gotten some responses with all of that more so than in the past. Even though the numbers are still could be kind of low and the in the grand scheme of things.

B

But we do countess as ad as success that we've been able to move up, move the needle a bit do a little bit more than we had had in the years prior and we're hoping that that will continue to increase in the year to come. So in particular, we had a new model for how to run the meetings this year and what we were going to do and we executed on that model.

B

We had four that we had planned and we made a conscious effort to not have a meeting if there were not going to be people there or if we didn't have substance to discuss and that result it didn't actually canceling, essentially two meetings of the Omak, but we were able to have two meetings. So in the two that we cancelled the RSA meeting last year, you know, since that was kind of the first one on the agenda.

B

When we were sort of moving towards a new model, we weren't able to get organized enough with enough people, but nonetheless, the eye sock staff had themselves a breakfast meeting in which they did get some amount of attendance and and some other people from the area. So it wasn't just work members that were invited to that breakfast, so they were able to have a successful engagement. We had membership in general, just not org members and then at ICANN 64.

B

We had a similar situation where we just didn't have enough people org members in particular, who had indicated that they would be present or interested in meeting, but I saw as an organization held a reset nonetheless, and we did have a reasonable engagement at that meeting. You know that would be four I saw court staff to report on and how they felt about their reception and dinner that we had there so got converted.

B

We did have well, we've had one other meeting and we are going to have a fourth one and at the IGF next week, as you had mentioned earlier Gonzalo, we actually had a pretty good meeting in Montreal at the ITF, a good presentation by the staff on the new member restructure and the program, so I thought that we had some good reaction from those who were there about all of that.

B

Some of the more vocal members in the past about how things have gone, and we also had a presentation on the I saw encryption initiative and an invitation to people to reach out to staff to get involved in that one of the key things we've tried to do with Omak meetings as if it's going to be officially a nomak meeting, we're always looking for.

B

If the staff want to bring presentations, we wanted to have an ask of some substance of some sort from people and that's been an important thing that I think is sort of helped engagement a bit at least it's an opportunity for outreach from staff to board members, and you know if you can get even just a couple more people along the way at this point in time, I think you're getting somewhere and getting some value out of that. One of.

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The other things I want.

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Call out is we did. This was the second one that we did. We hadn't asked.

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Me anything session.

B

When Andrew had first come on board and we had the IETF in Bangkok I think it was. We did one of those sessions too and asked me anything session and I. Think they're, I think they're, interesting and they're good and it's and it's useful to to have Andrew come and do those at least informally. Anybody who is in the meetings with as part of those I've heard good things about that. So I'm hopeful that those will continue that that sort of model.

B

So whenever we are going to have a meeting, we don't want that to be the substance of the meeting, but we definitely want it to be a part of the meeting. If Andrews going to be around.

J

B

Gonna have a meeting, that's a good thing to have, and we have appreciated that the IGF Lin Berlin will be next week. We've actually had last count that I heard last night was 24 or members have indicated they will attend. This particular Omak meeting that will happen on Monday I, unfortunately, will be on a plane, so I won't.

H

B

A part of that crystal my co-chair will be facilitating that meeting. The principle discussion will be about the future of the IGF and Desiree who I know. Most of you. Many of you certainly do know, will be helping with crystal to facilitate that discussion. So that'll be the principal topic there and we're looking forward to that meeting. That'll be our our highest attended from the point of view of org members meeting that we've had in the you know your or so a little over a year that crystal and I have been co-chaired.

B

So again, you know increased engagement, not not great and in absolute numbers, but just the fact that the numbers are going up is a good thing, and we want to count that a little bit as a success for right now and then the last thing is a important highlight. Is the staff has put together an organizational member calendar you'll actually see a link to that in the detailed report. It's not on the slides here, but in there in the detailed record, if you go in there, there's a link to where that is.

B

You do need to log in to see that it's hidden kind of the portal, but you know we appreciate that that opportunity is there as a way of collecting and beginning to create an archive of activities next slide. So this is a look about our plans for next year. We're gonna do a similar kind of plan. Omak meetings will have, as we did this past year, we'll have one at each of the significant events that seem to be most interesting to Omak members.

B

We did a survey when crystal and I had first come on board and you know at the time we kind of hadn't really gotten any driving force to go to one place, but it seemed appropriate. There's a broad spectrum of Omak members, and you know we certainly got some support for going to each of these significant conferences that represent Omak member. So we'll continue that model this year, we're looking forward to an RSA data security conference.

B

The staff has taken to doing registration so asking people to indicate whether they're going so that's a good thing and making sure that we've got the right numbers. We have not actually selected the icon or IETF meetings yet, as you know, there's three year, but we look to the staff I want to make those decisions more when we're trying to plan out the year I want to. You know we want to spread the meetings out, so you have RSA in the beginning of the year, and IGF is typically the end of the year.

B

So we want to find a way to pick an appropriate icon or IETF meeting, based in part on what the staff can do and what's convenient for them and what seems to make most sense. I. Don't.

D

Want to have a.

B

Discussion in the Omak members about driving or convenience or or you know, cost issues with respect to meetings, so I want to give the staff to have a chance to manage some of those a bit and then we'll look for substance.

B

You know what staff are gonna be at a meeting that kind of thing and then what we can do about an agenda and see what people are gonna go. We will continue a you know, a focus on engagement, as I said before. When we look for substance, we do want to get an ask from staff. We also as much as possible, we'll see if Omak members want to indicate what they'd like to talk about, but usually I.

B

At least this past year for myself, I have found it convenient to you know, have the staff identify you know what are their initiatives and, of course, with all of the work that's been going on in the project plan and the initiative plan. I. Think that all that's much clearer now, and so it's a lot easier, at least from our side to be able to see the staff can easily come and identify what they want to drive and the opportunity to come to a nomack meeting and ask for engagement from people. I think is.

B

The focus is increasing, so I think, there's more. There there's always been an issue in asking Omak members to indicate what they want to hear about, and I just think that at least speaking for myself in this space, it just feels a little better to as I sock is driving its initiatives and focusing its own efforts that we should use the Omak meetings as an opportunity to drive the kind of engagement that you want. Since Omak members are not stepping up to drive anything.

B

The opportunity to drive iStock activities is when you're contributing to discussions about the project plan and the issues at least for myself.

B

Speaking personally, it just feels like that's a better model overall, and certainly the organization has done a lot this past year to give people the opportunity to engage and participate in that kind of work, so I think letting the staff then take advantage of that and driving substance seems like the right thing to do so: I'm, looking forward to being able to have better substance opportunities for meetings, and hopefully that will drive more people to want to come to them.

B

Also so we'll see how that works this year and in in the same way that we have now an organizational member calendar. I think I'd like to focus some attention with the staff on improving kind of an organizational member website.

B

Now that we're starting, we now we've had a couple of meetings like to try to create an area where we can collect for our carbon versus different things that we've done discussions meetings put all of that together in a place that is a little more accessible toward members again just trying to provide another step in increasing engagement. So now that we have some stuff that we can archive and put there, let's try to create a model in which we can continue to build on that and leverage that going forward.

B

I think that's it for this year, you know we we easily found a person for the nomination committee and the elections committee this year in the past I know that's been a little bit of an issue and finding someone to volunteer, but thanks to rob, evans and Glenn Dean, who kind of stepped up actually quite quickly to make all of that happen and again, you know just another example of little bit of engagement, things are going up a little bit.

B

At least people are interested in mana, be a part that so it's good that we had the opportunity to to be a part of that. So those are the highlights and our reports to the board for this time and look forward to the meeting on Monday. If folks get a chance to listen to that, it might be good to at least drop in and take a peek at that to see who's there and who's engaged in that. So thanks and happy to entertain any questions. I would.

D

Like to ask one of.

B

Kevin as we go forward any chance that crystals joined us yet or no okay,.

A

Thanks: okay, good thank you, Jim and yeah we've been making and especially you know, Andrew a special effort to reach out and involve people specifically I mean the your community into the you know: development of the action plan, so so I hope people take the opportunity as well. um Do we have any questions? um Well, it.

G

Thank you, Jim very informative. Indeed, I mean my question is basically about the election issues. Have they been raised in any of these meetings and and whether they are aware that the election timetable has changed and the voting period has shrunk to two weeks? Do you know they are away.

B

So I know one has reached out to me and commented on that and I have seen no discussion of it, as you would know, on your Mac mailing list. So yeah, it's hard to say, I, don't know if people have noticed and are paying attention or work or I, don't know which of those two situations might be there.

B

G

Will still do an effort before the elections promote.

A

G

As well so thank.

A

You thank you any more questions.

A

Yes, because I mean, as I said, we we want to start there in the slots in time, so we have still a few more minutes. So you know I noticed that you you do like I. Do I, always speak about organizational members, but some of the trustees are giving me a hard time that I should say organization members. So we should have a conversations about that because now I'm not alone.

A

Okay, anyway, no no I'm, not alone, so I will push back strongly on right now.

B

I should know better as a native English speaker right.

B

A

Take that offline, so a thank you Jim and please keep us updated on what happens on Monday and and I hope. It's indeed a big meeting and unjust. You know, let's have a email, exchange or call or whatever next week, to get on the same page, very.

J

A

Okay, good so before we move into into the next load, has everyone read the the new minutes of the you know, 147th meeting that we have to approve because well Aidan, just to refresh your memory from one hour ago? Well, it made a comment: Joan, basically amended or or change the minutes, and now we should be okay. So are we ready to pass the resolution now in a couple of minutes or somewhere, someone needs one cup. They.

F

Only affected the private minutes, they didn't change, yeah, no I know, but since we are approving both I want people, four people, four people in the room who don't have access to the redacted minutes. That's why you didn't see any change. Yeah.

A

But four trustees I want to make sure that nobody, okay, okay, perfect, so just before we jump into a Lisa's load, we have you know like seven minutes. So that's plenty of time to approve the resolution. So coming back to point three in the agenda is the approval of the minutes of the 147 meeting mini meeting. As I said, this meeting went remotely in several sessions. We were recessing and, as you remember and John said this morning, we are approving basically a private part of the meeting and the public part.

A

There was a you know, sentence missing that was reported by Waleed in the private part and now John sent a link to the list, and you know we are. We are going to approve it so again, I need someone to move. Okay, Mike, an anvil. It second and we're gonna prove the resolution by a show of hands. So yes, no abstain. Yes, votes.

A

Abstentions, no votes, so their resolution passes unanimously.

F

Due to Glenn, do you want to change your bow to to abstain since yeah.

J

Okay, okay, yeah.

J

A

So we so please pay attention, because we have steel I mean so Alisa is not. That we are just joking is that we have to start so we have three minutes to kill. So so andrew is gonna talk about organization versus organizational the bylaws say the bylaws say organizational so now this is when you acknowledge my so Mike Mike. This is when you are knowledge. My great wisdom.

C

To the to the appropriate degree, now that I've said that I will say this when I your question about organization versus organizational is only this question, which is what is idiomatic usage? It's a question of pure grammar. Either is correct. I know.

F

C

Will acknowledge the wisdom, I.

F

Do it I appreciate your distinction between the organizational members in the chapter? All members.

C

J

C

Everything for chapter old members, because honestly I love that so much I now want to see it written into the into the rules.

A

Yeah I was I was having a conversation with Joan about them. Okay, but jokes aside, you know: let's move on the agenda. As I said, we have a lot of remote people joining and leaving. So we are trying to speak to them to the times that we published so so next is 0.8 on the Genda, which is the ITF Jeffrey port and and thanks Alissa, for joining us face to face today. So please go ahead. Yeah.

N

Thank you for having me I'm. Sorry, I couldn't join last night, I'm quite ill, so hopefully I'll make through this this little section, but I all last night, so I think I was here one year ago and I thought it might make sense to do just talk about some highlights of the year from the technical perspective, important specifications that we've published and milestones that we've hit as the IETF community and then in the second portion.

N

I'll go over some statistics about participation in the ITF, starting with the technical highlights so starting in the applications area earlier this are actually at the end of last year we published the DNS over HTTP specification, RFC 84 84. Some of you might have heard about it.

N

It's been much much debated in the public sphere, the last few months, so it got published last year and then there's been some initial deployment activity this year among browsers and resolvers and ISPs, and what I think makes this significant, among other things, that it creates the ability for new kinds of clients to do dns resolution and for and for essentially anyone who can serve traffic on port 443 to to become a doe resolver and as a result, it has raised some questions about using the DNS as a control surface and who gets to configure DNS resolution on users, clients.

N

So in the ITF we've been, we've had several forums for to try to suss out what is what is the actual work that the ITF can do to be helpful in this space in a.

D

N

Meeting we had a birds of a feather session to talk about applications, doing dns resolution and we had another one just this week here in Singapore called application, behavior considering DNS, ABCD um and I think depends on how you look at it, but there was some conclusive results from at least from the one this week, which was that a lot of the bigger policy issues and issues around best practices concerning configuration, we're leaving out of scope for the ITF I think that it's it's not really engineering work for us to do.

N

But there was a lot of interest in doing some engineering work to make it to make the deployment of DOE and other encrypted DNS transports more smooth on a variety of different kinds of networks. So we're going to be looking to do that in 2020.

N

Also in the applications area, we've had the web real time. Communication work, that's been going on actually for eight years now, and it's a suite of 40 documents which are collectively designed to allow for a period of your audio, video and messaging via browsers and I. Think it's the biggest cluster of RFC's. We will have ever published, like all they're all interdependent, so they none of them can get published until they're all done so, there's 40 of them and they are in the RFC editors queue likely to be published fairly soon.

N

So that's a huge milestone and a really large piece of work that many in the community have been have been involved in.

N

So moving on to the Internet of Things- and this is a topic of interest of Isaac as well. This year we published the manufacturer usage description, specification, mud, RC, 85 20. So what mud does? Is it lets the end devices signal to the network? What kind of access they they need and what kind of functionality they require, and this allows for the creation of access control policies that limit what IOT devices can do and limit the damage that they can do to others on the network.

N

So this has been a huge draw at ITF hackathons there's been lots of people working on different tools and interoperable mud components to be able to create systems around the mud framework, and at this point, there's a lot of interest in doing mud, extensions and and sort of using this as the base to build more functionality on top to make IOT devices more manageable. In-Home.

D

N

Enterprise networks, the other one that we did this year was object, security for constrained restful environments or across core. This was published in July and has kind of the flavor of a lot of the IOT work that we've done it at the ITF I'm, looking at networks that have really highly constrained devices in terms of memory or processing.

N

If you, if you look at the way these, these things are often networks, they require a lot of intermediary nodes in order to make them work because they can't have all of the processing power themselves and that creates kind of a security vulnerability. Because then you have all of these boxes in the middle that are able to potentially snoop on the traffic.

N

So Oscorp provides end-to-end projection for for application data for for IOT devices, and at this meeting we actually had the the first session of a new working group called Lake like lightweight authenticated, key exchange and Lake is basically building a new security, primitive that could be used together with us core, so we're trying to build off of the existing work there. So that's some highlights for IOT. There's.

D

Obviously, a lot more in all.

N

Of these areas, I'm just kind of picking some of the seminal ones from the year so routing earlier this year we published the extended message: support for for bgp for the border gateway protocol actually just last month. So bgp is a very old protocol. Hard to change, doesn't change too often, and also as a result of that. Its message size when originally designed was was quite small, 4096 bytes. So what what this specification does? Is?

N

It expands the potential message size of bgp messages to 65,535 bytes and basically, what this allows for is long term support for new bgp applications, so things like bgp security that are informed kind of traffic engineering that you can do with BGP and also segment routing, which is the other big highlight of the year and an area of work. That's been drawing huge amount of interest in activity in the IETF, so segment routing is basically a routing architecture where the instructions for how to forward the packets through the network are embedded in the packets themselves.

N

And what this means is that you can. You can create networks that don't have to maintain information or state in the network in order to do the routing, which is a nice optimization.

N

It's designed to run natively either over ipv6 or MPLS. The MPLS specifications are a little bit further along and there's a ton of interests, including at this meeting many hours of presentations about segment routing over ipv6. It's been a six-year project already and we're aiming to get the first cluster of 15 MPLS sr documents done.

D

N

This year and that and the kind of first two on the ipv6 side, the last one is security. Sometimes I tell people that we work in the internet security task force now, because everything is security, and last year we talked about TLS I'll talk about TLS in a second, but but this year some of the same folks involved in the TLS work have turned their attention to encrypted server name identification.

N

So we've seen I think a progression over the years in the way that surveillance of web traffic, in particular has gotten progressively harder, because we're encrypting.

D

More and more of.

N

The pieces of that make up a single traffic flow, so we've seen increased deployment, transport layer, security, TLS, we're encrypting the DNS transports as I as I spoke about earlier, and there's been more and more multiplex of traffic on a single IP address which, which makes it harder to to snoop on so server name, indication which reveals the name of the server that you're trying to connect to has been kind of an outstanding gap and all of this week encrypt all these other things. But this isn't encrypted. It still provides a way to leak information.

N

D

Been an initiative.

N

To encrypt it, and this year we have approved the problem statement in this area for publication, that's in the RFC editors queue and then the working group that's working on the actual solution to be able to deploy the encrypted SMI on other news in TLS we publish TLS 103 last year and the deployment has been really rapid. So at this point something between 22 and 26 percent of connections from major browsers are encrypted, using TLS 1.3, that's actually as 2019.

N

So that's like compared to compared to 1.2 like it's, you can't even we can't even get there I think TLS 103 saw more deployment in its first five months since it was published than 1.2. You saw in its first five years, so it's it's really phenomenal one. That's a you know, that's a testament to the way that the specification was developed, which was very much.

N

You know used this feedback loop, where the people who are going to be deploying it we're also the people who are writing who's back and where many interoperable implementations were developed right alongside it, so that it was essentially ready to ship. When we, when we publish the specification, there's also interestingly, a strong correlation between server support for TLS, 1.3 and support for other, like reading your blog post on Shawn has written a nice blog post from which I drew these.

N

um These talking points there's a strong correlation between server support for TLS, 103 and support for other modern protocols like HTTP, 2 and ipv6. So it's kind of neat to see that the sort of bundle of IETF protocols that we've been trying to get out into the they all sort of correlate together. Once you can convince server operators to do one of.

D

Them than they're doing.

N

We also this year published the automated automatic certificate management environment. I know I, always forget what that stands for acne the acne specification, which essentially allows for the to automate the process of issuing and verifying certificates, which makes it easier for web properties to use TLS and that's another reason why we've seen a really rapid uptake of TLS in general, not just 1.3 and then lastly, on post quantum cryptography, there's, definitely growing interest in this area.

N

In the ITF we've standardized a couple of hash based signature, algorithms, and this meeting in particular, there was some discussion about how to support post quantum or multi.

C

N

Techniques in the in a public key infrastructure- the document that's referenced here.

D

In the slides, if you want to take a look, is.

N

Sort of our set of guidelines for cryptographic, agility, so sort of paving the way for when there are algorithms that are quantum safe, that our protocols will be ready to to be able to change from the algorithms we use today to the ones that are that might be available in the future. So we're trying to get ready for that and then I think. The next section is on just some participation.

D

Statistics for the year I thought this might.

N

Be interesting to look at so looking back over two years. Actually, this is the in-person attendance at IETF meetings had two very very similar years mm-hm, so you can see kind of when we meet at the same continent.

L

At the same time,.

N

Of year we get roughly the same number of people showing up.

N

If you look at remote participation a bit of an upward trend, this also kind of correlates a little bit with timezone. So you know we see larger populations dialing in from the parts of the world that are to the time zone, where we have more participants, but overall, this is I mean this is phenomenal. This is not just people who registered. This is the number of people who joined at least one session.

G

N

So we've really dramatically expanded our reach in terms of people who can listen and follow along and participate in the ITF by having remote participation facility.

A

That number include either somebody's here and I'm to say.

N

It does not no yeah yeah, because that is very common. A lot of people come to the meeting and then dial in remotely looking at the hackathons, so I think people know the hackathon.

D

Is an event that we run on the.

N

Weekend before every IETF meeting, it's a free event, anybody can join and work together with people on their team to further develop ITF protocols.

N

So again, a really nice upward trend here, we've had like we've been running out of food and having to add tables to rooms and things to be able to accommodate everybody who shows up for this, and it's really nice to see actually even here in Singapore, when our you know, attendance at the ITF meeting tends to be a little lower that we've still, you know seen that upward trend and hackathon participation, I mean always have a also a pretty significant number of first-time people, new people locals who come students who come because it's on the weekend that it's free.

N

So it's it's really providing.

D

N

Service to thee the ITF community and then the last one, because one.

L

Quick question on hackathons I think one thing we've been trying to do across a bunch of ice like stuff is measurable. Less in terms of you know, people your people, numbers and more in terms of impact. So I was wondering if you have any highlights of kind of concrete things that have come out of the hackathon hmmm.

N

That's that's. That's a good question actually and we've been kind of talking like kicking around having more some of the working groups want to have more structure like you can't you can't get your update into the document until you feel you'd like to proven, then you can implement it I think. Actually there was one from this week. Let me just see.

N

Sorry, my my yesterday has kind of gone because I was sick, I mean there's, there's several working groups that they you know. Half of the working group session is spent kind of going back and forth between like well. We figured this out at the hackathon, so we can clear this issue in the spec. So quick, obviously is one of these I think you know TLS does this as well HT HTTP working group, so there's.

D

Some of them that it's.

N

Like fairly well integrated into the working group process at this point, that's.

L

Great, thank you so.

N

Of course, the work doesn't only happen at the meetings. It also happens online very much so in between the meetings. So this just shows you our number of unique mailing mailing lists senators across all the IETF lists on a monthly basis. This is pretty steady as well and, interestingly, you know the numbers are roughly similar to what the in-person attendance is. Although the groups of.

D

People are not.

N

Are not exactly the same, so there's lots of people who participate on the mailing list who don't come to the meetings and vice-versa, so the total population is is larger than an either number.

N

A

Thank you yeah, that was, that was very useful. I mean to get a kind of overview of the most important work in a different area. So thanks a lot for that and yeah, and it's also interesting that the pattern that we see like you know many people are going to Europe America a bit less in Asia. So we we see a pattern every year. When are we switching the the meeting so that the Asian meeting doesn't happen in in November in.

N

2022 so and yeah, and so in 2021 we will go to Europe twice and North America once and then in March of 2022 we're aiming to have a meeting in Asia. We've had a lot of difficulty. Finding venues that can accommodate us in this time frame in Asia Japan is a place. We love to go to and there's these huge medical conferences in Japan and November all the time. So the venues get booked up and and there's other reasons that make it difficult so we're trying to switch the timing to give us more choices.

N

Venue selection in Asia, Thanks.

A

So so I mean just for the trustees will be clear. Then we will have a shine screen and then in summer will be still North America and in Europe or probably.

N

Yes, yeah, okay,.

F

I'm, showing one of the require I just want to make it clear that I think one of the requirements is that one one one star that over time, we will even it back out so like we're, not skipping Asia right, yeah.

N

I mean we're trying to get we're trying to be roughly even over time. It's not like every single year has to be exactly the same. Yeah.

A

Good any more questions.

A

Yeah good, no things like my laptop broke. So now we I have this protocol with Kevin, so I've been trying to fix it. They call.

I

The whisper protocol.

A

C

Like the earlier thing with regard to the I guess, 40 RFC's that are associated with WebRTC, you said when you, when you talk about the fact that they're sort of in the RFC are they gonna, be all reviews, its accession or all it wants, or how does that work? I just want to understand it better yeah.

N

So yeah this will. This will be a particularly special one. So so what happens with the the sort of basic process for the arts? The editors queue is a document. It's an internet draft.

N

It gets approved for publication, I mean of us, although it's the whole IETF process that our technical leadership, the IAS G, approves it for publication, and then it goes into the RFC editors cube and they you know it's it's a queue right, so things come in things go out when they're, when they have an editor who's available to edit a document, they begin their editing, which is all about you know, making sure it conforms to our style guide. They paginate it.

N

They do all kinds of things which introduce changes to the document and when they're done making those changes, then the document goes into. If, if all of the documents that it normatively references are also in the same state also ready to progress, then it goes into a state called auth 48, which is the funny name, because it was intended to mean that within 48 hours the authors would review these changes and approve them and then and then it would go on.

N

And no so of course, now all 48 sometimes lasts for like years, but not usually years, usually months, probably not weeks. So all of these documents will be edited by an editor and then they will go into all 48. So then it will go back to all of the authors and then the authors have to approve the editorial changes and as those editorial changes get approved in each one, then the cluster will be able to be published once.

O

Once all the authors, from their approvals I mean the reason I asked, it seems like.

O

N

Yeah so there's there's like eight editors, I think and ten now so I talked to the RSC editor this week, so they have. Many of them are assigned now solely to this cluster, and then they preserved a few who are processing the rest of the documents so that you know the queue doesn't get completely stuck, but the the trick. The other trick about this is that we also have updated the format of the RFC's for the first time in ten years or something no longer than that.

N

Forty years, okay, oh I, didn't know that v2 was so. There was a was essentially that old. So so that happened in the last month as well, which has slowed things down considerably. Yeah.

A

Okay, yeah I think WebRTC must have been started when Richard and I were the IDs or even before. Oh yeah,.

N

The working group was chartered eight hours ago so.

A

Maybe it was when I was ID with Robert yeah, something like that so yeah. This is a long time ago, Excel, yeah, okay, um any.

G

Other questions.

A

Comments, okay, good, but thanks a lot I mean we know yeah. You were not feeling well so so you know highly appreciate that you came to give the presentation. Thank.

N

A

You Lisa, okay and Jason just got here. So are you ready, okay, good? Then? Let's do that.

A

Now the mic is off ya, know.

P

It's worn out, so it's mounted all right good. Good morning. Everybody thanks. My name is Jason Livengood I am the chair of the ITF LLC board and by the way, a former ice hockey board members. So it's nice to be back talking to you all our board and the LLC formed while the LLC formed a little bit more than a year ago, but our inaugural board formed in March, and so we've had a few months time to do quite.

K

A lot of work if.

P

You can go to the next slide, please these are our board members I, think you're familiar with many or most, if not all of these folks.

P

You know we publicize all of our board meetings and what we're trying to do really, because of community expectations, is to try to adopt a position of radical transparency, meaning be absolutely open about all the business that we're conducting, invite community participation and so on, and so far that is making available. You know well in advance our meeting as meeting times and so on, so that people may attend so we've been very, very, very busy for the past few months and we've gotten a lot of really important stuff done.

P

This really ticks off all the major things that we had as goals for this calendar year. Most importantly, we've hired a permanent IETF executive director, our first you know: full-time permanent executive director. That person is Jay Daly with whom I'm sure you're familiar Jay is an absolute superstar, a player and really the type of person that we needed.

P

In this role, we had an interim person who was in place for about two years and did a great job of transitioning us from the IAO C under there sort of earlier administrative support set up to the new one, and we appreciate her efforts. I'll mention that later but Jay is, is really outstanding and we as a board, look forward to being able to pivot to focus on more strategic things.

B

P

Have to be in the day-to-day details as well, we finalized all of our policies for the LLC. These are things like.

D

A whistleblower.

P

Policy anti-harassment code of conduct, conflict of interest and so on and again our objective is to set a very high bar for conduct and transparency with our community and certainly to the extent that you know you all.

D

P

Policies over time, you know feel free to take a look at them. When we develop those, we did a community consultation process. So with the ITF community we did a webinar.

D

P

Was recorded and people could watch, we put the policies on github that people could comment on open issues on and get a series of revisions as a result of that when we filed or finalized all the policies. We also filed our first conflict of interest policies for all of the board members, and then we had two different memos that were pertaining to sort of you know remediation efforts if you will on how to manage potential conflicts of interest and those are all there on the website for people to see.

P

We also announced a number of contract awards, in particular for a CPA firm. While we've been great partners with and have been supported, really well by AMS, who has been running all our meetings for many years. They were also doing all of our financial services, and so it's a tough position. We identified as a board at risk and having your largest supplier, also sort of managing your books, and so we've hired an independent CPA firm to begin to manage that.

P

For us, we felt that was a better practice and we've got a number of other RFPs that are due to close out and actually one of the first things that we did when we formed as a board. We had a bunch of contracts that were set to expire in, like the August September October time frame, and we just felt like one of the first things we did was kicked those all out extended them to the end of the year, to give us more time to deliberate and make the right assessments and decision.

P

So all of those contracts will be in place by end of year, which is a big deal for us and, of course, our first full year budget that we've done as a board which is being finalized. Now, when we did the original funding decision or assessment under the interim board with the Internet Society, we did like a two or three year projection, and that was based on a lot of estimations of what our actual costs would be. So this fiscal year, we've really gotten a better sense, a real sense of what the costs are.

P

So, for example, having to procure our own different.

D

Types of insurance, knowing what.

P

The actual salary will be for the executive director and really just getting a better handle on cost in general, so we feel like we're going into fiscal 2020 with a much much more accurate view of what our actuals will be and that'll put us in the better position for when we, you know, sometime later in 2020, begin a conversation and Andrew about go forward so yeah. That should be good and that's out, of course, for community comment next slide. So this is just background on.

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Everyone knows and we can skip past and then, of course we did a thank you at our plenary for Porsche was the outgoing interim executive director she's in place until the end of the year, and so we what we wanted to do as a board is ensure that there was a period of time for transition, and you know sort of you know, incentives around that to encourage a strong transition and make sure it was smooth and she's been doing a great job of that. So we appreciate that next slide. So what comes next? For us?

P

We've agreed on the policies. Of course, that's only the first step. Of course we have to roll them out and in particular this means the people affected. What we call covered individuals of those policies have to be informed that they're effective and then trained to explain like what does this policy mean, and how does that mean? You need to conduct yourself for what responsibilities?

P

Does that give you and so on and then having a compliance program and the compliance program is part of the agreement between I sock and the LLC, so ensuring that that is in place is of course, important finishing up before end of year, all the different RFP process ease and the budget. Those are certainly on a path of completion and then, as we go into the first quarter, really the big work activity for us is to complete strategic assessment of what our fundraising and sponsorship approach will be. So for us, this is.

P

How do we want to approach potential sponsors that might want to sponsor the ITF or might want to contribute to the ITF endowment, and we want to do that on a very strategic way and decide. For example, even will our approach vary by region of the world? How will we want to?

P

You know, work with people that will help do that fundraise and responder ship for us, so we have a lot of questions to go through and one of our board members, Peter van Ross drop, helped lead us through an initial process of a SWAT and pest. So strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats, and then political, economic, social, technical and that helped sort of level set both for the board as well as sort of for the ITF.

P

How might we be effective by in particular, a lot of external change, and so that will inform that process that we go through and that's one of our critical things for next year and then, of course, you know putting that into an action plan and then the final which I think thanks to Shawn's efforts, you know we're really almost done but doing an investment policy statement.

P

Basically, what's our outline of what we're trying to achieve with our reserve fund and with our endowment and how those things be invested, etc, and we've really just been using the same providers that you all have done. So we appreciate all the due diligence that you've done in selecting those people. So thank you next line. I won't bore you with all the details, and tonight chart basically show on this on point.

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P

And managing the dollars and cents justified next slide and we.

D

Have lots of ways to.

P

Contact us next slide and I do want to say. Certainly thank you very much this year and last for my sock. Support of us not just financially, but administrative league etting through this transition, especially because there are a lot of resources that we've been sharing for so long, that our eye sock, badged people, for example- and we really appreciate that it's provided.

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Support for the ITF of the years, and everyone appreciates it greatly and as.

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Appreciated Andrews reiteration lately support in light of all the changes with you know, our coming changes of the PIR and I think that that has helped the community become very comfortable with the situation to the point.

D

Much to my surprise, they.

P

Were literally no questions about that at our plenary and I really.

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P

That I think that's a reflection of you know. Andrews efforts, some different lists, people comfortable and you know, make very clear that you know the support is unwavering, nothing changes, you know, keep going ahead and that's helped. Everybody I think say: okay, everything's good. We can keep focusing on technical work, good idea. So thank you for that. Yeah.

A

Exactly and I also had that conversation with Jason just to stress that nothing taken from that point of view, so yeah no I mean I. Think thanks for the summary and I think that's very useful. um Regarding the investments I mean we had the two last treasures of Isaac, so I think that's like you know. He would be impossible to basically have a better coordination and make sure that you know we are on the same page. So that's that's appreciated.

A

As I mentioned, we are also going through a revision of our conflict of interest into policies and, as you know, we've been basically working with all the supporting organizations that we have been creating like the LLC foundation, etc. So in that sense, that's why we need to look into the whole picture and so I send the trustees, the conflict of interest rules that you guys have proven the policies, because I thought it was really good for people to look looking to them.

A

I think they're, very clear I mean they cover the specific cases that may be problematic, but at the same time they give you freedom to use common sense. When you know analyzing a particular situation, so I think that was really good. Yeah thanks and you know I think.

P

The Code of Conduct and conflict of interest sort of go together as.

A

Well, as the travel.

P

Expense because there's some aspect there, but for us you know this is such a small community and there are so many interrelationships. We wanted to try to set a very high bar and in particular on just transparency about things so that there wouldn't be these. You know lingering.

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P

About you know some sort of like smokey backroom deals and people trying to do crazy things, and so we've tried to say we'll start off with a lot of transparency and that can drive a lot of the conversations exactly.

A

I mean one thing that we are looking specifically that I mean just FYI is that now that we have several subsidiaries or supporting organizations, there may be some conflict of interest that they are not hearing one of them, but maybe we want to avoid like having people doing certain things in DIF before organizations. So that's something that we are looking into. We haven't decided how to capture that, but first we want to get on the same page. Regarding you know what we want to do and what we want.

A

You know to be this allowed and allowed, and then we will, we will take it from there, so we will give you guys updated throughout Thanks. Just this is kind of one of the things we're doing any any questions for Jason John I, don't Mike yeah,.

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This is a question. I just want to say, I'm really impressed.

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P

Yeah we wanted to do something that was, you know, in line with the way we approach technical standards, develop manners right. So it's the same thing very open, John.

F

No I agree. This was crystal clear. I was wondering now that the IETF endowment is passing three million dollars. If you started to give any thought as to what it is for yeah.

P

That's part of our first quarter planning retreat to to go through that and to think about. What's the long-term goal for that and we'll say so to be continued, we'll let you know next time since $500 of it is mine,.

A

Yeah I thought I mean some I'm, not sure if it was ending, at least as light on your slides I was reviewing them when I got them. They were like a fairly substantial return on on the in endowment. So maybe you want to go either of you want to comment on that, because I guess I mean when I was reading. That was kind of one of the things that then you know got my attention or.

F

Or Shawn, so if you don't mind I'll, take it. One of the interesting things was that the way I did the numbers right. We had a contribution that came over in March, so I just went to when my financial adviser did it's just from January to the date. So that's why it looks crazy because it's 123 on three million, so it kind of like maybe skewed the number a little bit so.

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Of the things the.

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Second, is they have a million return on investment yeah, so I mean that's, that's the problem. Was there like.

F

123, it was a contribution right right, so they they pledged 123 over our sorry 100,000 euros over 10 years or a million over 10 years, and so that that's why I came but also like when we immediately took the funds from I sock, we figured that it was better to actually invest it ass along the same lines that I saw CAD because it was. It was the right thing to do, because essentially we figured that people that gave us the money you wanted the money to be invest based in the same way. So yeah.

P

In one quick note on investments, as we do that assessment and we sort of finished the investment policy statement that guide to that I, think our view is especially if the size of funding that we have you know we are not going to be working with like the world's cutting edge. Had you know coming into the hedge funds and beating the market, so you know we don't anticipate that what we can control our costs, and so we want to make those as low as possible.

P

So, for example, given the choice between an index fund which is managed by the investment company and one that is managed by say a Vanguard or fidelity, you know the more open one with a lower costs is always preferred, rather than having an extra one or two percent cost yeah.

A

That make sense, yeah and that's along the line, but we were deciding in the in detail. Llc I'm, I'm talking also about I, mean like we have like at least myself. We will all or with Ted we were all part of the initial LLC and we knew that you guys we're gonna have like a food plate in the first month. So so we are actually very happy to see that you guys have been processing through and and, as you said, I mean delaying things that they were in so urgent and I'm.

A

Getting you know to basically complete those action point so I mean I. Think that's like great to see. Yes, thank you. Any yeah.

B

Okay, now I just saying Fred Baker was a speaker, but it was an excellent event: okay Mumbai next year, but it did hit the times the indian times twice.

B

That's awesome. Thank.

A

You thank you any any other questions. Okay, perfect! Thank you! Jason thanks a lot and thanks for joining in person as well. It is good to touch base in person every now and then so. Next we have Glenn, who is in the room as well. Thank You, Glenn I had.

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Exactly so, please go ahead.

M

Hey so thank you for having me warm Singapore as we're all bottled up in sweaters. Here. It's chilly, yeah I trust. So you know as part of the LLC pull from the IOC at ITF. There was some changes made to the ITF trust the. In the past, the ITF Trust was composed of the members of the IOC. In fact, the original rule was to become a member of the trust you had to be a member of the IOC and we shut down the IOC.

M

We had a bit of a problem last year, which required us to make an amendment to the trust rules, because when the IOC you went away technically, we had nobody eligible to be a trustee, and so there was a bit of a hiccup there.

M

The lawyers took care of that and we eventually developed a new program where we had a new set of requirements for selecting trustees and so for the first time last year they actually selected them directly as opposed to bringing them in from the IOC, and, as you can see, we have uh five trustees up there. One of them course is John in the room. We also have Kathleen, where Eddie, who is our treasurer Joel Halton and Stefan Richter, so five of them selected next slide Oh a photo selected by the ITF.

M

That structure is three by the NomCom and one by IES G, and we have one selected by yourselves. We shall cease at Ison good job. Thank you next slide, please. So this is a bit of history, because you know I, think of all the pieces that we have that we talked about around the IHF community. It the trust, is possibly the least well understood. In fact, in many cases people have no idea it exists or even what it does so I thought I'd just do a very quick recap here.

M

So essentially the Trust is a Virginia registered trust. It's not a corporation. It's not anything else. It's a trust!

M

It's a non-profit, it's also independent of I sock and the ITF LLC, that's kind of interesting sort of artifact, but it's also how we operate. We have a website here. That's also independent trustees at ITF, dot org.

M

When you go to that website, you'll be underwhelmed unless you like artifacts of history, because it is a really walking in 1995 design of how you do a website more on that in a few minutes, and we have a very small budget, our actual run rate expenditure, wise is around 65,000 $60,000 a year and when you add in special projects like that, it comes up to around $100,000 a year, so compared to pretty much most organizations in this space. We are tiny and that's fine. We get our job done a couple things.

M

Trustees for volunteers are not compensated. We don't provide travel, support or anything else like that. We have a very small admin staff provided to us by the ITF Secretariat and we have several sets of lawyers. We have two law firms, we have our connections and relationships with that provide one does trademarks, forests and registrations, and the other provides general counsel, advice and- and finally, we also have insurance needs.

M

One of the interesting things about being a trustee of the ITF trust is that because of unusual legal requirements, globally, trusts and many places are not allowed to actually register trademarks, and so the actual trustees themselves own the trademarks. And so, if you actually go look up the trademark for the ITF turns out those five trustees they own it and I've. Often joked you guys. There behave we'll take the day and we'll go build our own standards organization. I just need. You get two other people to agree with me, so we have no plans.

M

Officially can't do that.

M

We also have diverse funding sources, so this is something that was explained to me when I came in as a trustee, yeah, I guess actually Kathy was the one who originally kicked us off back in the day where the trust you know historically got a lot of it's funny or all that's funny for a long time. Excuse me for my sake, and then that relationship was transferred to the LLC. A few years ago there was an additional set of tasks, but on the trustees which was to fund raising.

M

However, the fundraising week we seek is really tiny, they're, typically five thousand dollars, and usually what you find is those people at the end of a calendar year have been their budget a little bit of extra money, and we could we have it please and make a $5,000 share. Here. We've been pretty good, the bit harder of 2018 was and 2019 was $20,000.

M

We made our $20,000 as sure I think we exceeded it by 5,000 and we have the same modest target for next year, which is you know easy, as we have a very small budget, so small amounts help a big time with our little budget. It's like this. So.

A

Dean Blaine, what type of reach out you are doing because yeah some people ask me basically doing this week like hey, do you have five thousand yours whatever and I mean we can do that, but I thought it was kind of like not hot. You know where.

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M

We are not trying to build a big fund here, so we're not doing a big outreach where we say you know, on a for the banner with a fundraiser isn't like that. Our goal is to create a diversity of funding sources. So we're not looking for large sums of money.

M

We are looking for more in terms of numbers, so, for instance, for this year we have four for diverse funding sources, in addition to the LLC, we're not looking to grow that big we're, also not trying to develop a large pot of money, we're really trying to just maintain a very small reserve so that we can maintain cash flow through the year and and we deliberately choose to keep the funds within the trust very small. In case somebody decides to take a legal action, a.

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M

Action against us there isn't anything to go after so, and for this year we had contributions from so far from Google, NBC, Universal and a few others that are still in process, so I can't name them yet.

M

So what is the trust? Do we hold the IP assets for the ITF and for other groups such as I Anna? We a what are IP assets. Ips has consists of copyright, so the RF sees that the ITF produces incorporated. The ITF trust owns the copyrights on those RFC's. We also do trademarks, so things like the ITF logo and the IANA marks.

M

The I am a name and that those trademarks both are for things like the logo for the ITF, but they also come out and things like the domain name registrations for those organizations and those services. So, for instance, beyond way to register it is of the five trustees you need to get a majority of them to agree to take an action around domain names to sell them off and stuff like that.

M

So as a control point there as well and finally be able zone software, a lot of people forget that both the software component logic, as you know, it's the ITF tools and stuff which are open source to begin with, but we still do own that and we are responsible for maintaining those things effectively for all these things. We are tasked with licensing them, so the the sense of the ITF community, when the this was set up was we want to get the RFC's into people's hands.

M

We want to make it easy for people to use them. So now leaves it's a question. Well then, what does the Trust do? What do we do? Is we make sure that when people do take them and use them, they use them properly? That way, we do not want people to do, use them improperly, which would cause potentially the ITF to lose ownership of those assets so, for instance, trademarks. You must make sure that you protect your trademark legally or you can lose the right to own that trademark, similar they would copyright.

M

So we make sure that if you take ITF RFC's and you publish them that you properly identify them for the proper, you know notices in your republication and we want to make sure that a republication doesn't result in somebody else creating new rights around RFC's.

M

That would deprive the ITF of a freedom of action in future and its slide. So we have decided to undertake a big project this year, we're gonna redo the IETF trusty website. It is all one and not just the look at it. One of the points were having is that the CMS that supports in the back end is old in Fuji. It's causing problems.

M

Reasons covers, for instance, that while we had faithful even publishing all of our meeting minutes for transparency, they weren't getting properly published on the web, because the CMS hiccup and wasn't publishing that page, it's very frustrating, so we've undertaken initial design and planning for next year and we put money in the budget as a special project to have that website redesign. It was part of that web design. It's not just the look and feel room change. We are gonna.

M

Also do a review of all the materials on the website the ITF Trust has been around since for about 1415 years. Now we want to make sure that everything that is published there is up-to-date in the most correct fashion and that as part of that review and republishing, it becomes even easier for the community to get access to it and to understand it.

M

Excellent. Are we done awesome? Any questions Thank.

A

You Glen Holly Thank.

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You Glen, yes, since you're, independent and apparently that we should be showing off. Don't you come? What aren't you concerning using your own domain? Name, I, ITF, trust up or it does exist. Well,.

M

So technically these domain names are our domain names we actually only domain. So.

M

We're not planning to changing the domain name. There is some domains that have been registered, for instance, for use around office suites from Google that we use for the back end tools and some stuff like that. But we're going to keep the domain, as is there's no plans to change it.

F

I think John wanted actually yeah there's the domain names are a particular mess, because the domain name to the trust owns are actually just the Ino ones and all the ITF domain names belong to sort of random historic registrants, which is one of the topics we might want to clean up. Yes,.

M

We just simply have to do, there's bins, I would say with a focus on LLC and the focus, and so many things over the last couple years. I think some of the historic trusts sometimes have not been on top of every little micro detail of every registration necessary to attract, and so one of the things we ever to take undertake and share and will complete in 2020 is an assessment of all the assets that the trust does on to make sure they are properly registered and endangered I'm.

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Sort of a rabbit.

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F

One good tool so I understand sigh. This is John, Turner, I, guess, I kind of understand. This is probably just a us-based thing, but um trying to make sure you get a broad source of people when you're not looking for a large number of people to donate. Have you considered doing something like setting up Amazon smile to make sure that you can? You know cuz your 501 3 C and getting smaller donations from a larger swath of people?

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M

Not something we have considered it's an interesting idea. We get back to the trustees and we'll chat about it again, we're pretty small. So it's been, it's been working it, which is why we haven't really worked too hard at it. The goals that we set were $20,000. We achieved those last couple of years. We look to what you expect in June next year, but thanks for suggestions.

A

Thank you any more questions. Okay, thanks! A lot greatly appreciate it. Okay. So that concludes our morning session, which is up to agenda point number 10 and then we're gonna break for lunch. So you know for remote participants. We will be back 1, which means in 1 hour and 15 minutes. Ok, good! So welcome back. We had a lunch break and- and now we're gonna start the afternoon session, so we're gonna have you know around a couple of hours?

A

Basically with that with three agenda points, so first you will see that tomorrow we will be talking about the action plan and budget and everything for 2020. So today we are actually talking about this year's plan 2019. So we chose to to schedule it in different days to even you know, stress the difference so that you know we don't get confused and, more importantly, we don't confuse any of you or any in the audience. So andrew is gonna run the presentation, so you had like a one-hour envelope to to present the report.

H

And it's very unlikely that this will take all of an hour to talk, so you know, obviously you can stop me at any time or you can wait until the end and so on. This is the report on impact indicators and the project process progress from last year over the or I guess this year on the 2019 and one so about a year ago, I presented to all of you the plan for this year.

H

This is the report on how this is working and and and how we have you know, spent our spend our time and effort thanks. Please.

H

So the the first piece of this is to remind you what it was that we talked about when presenting this last year. So you'll recall that we had a efendim, a fundamental idea, that we had topics that we were working on and then we had ways in which we were doing it, and that was represented in this diagram that to the right. So these areas of a focus we're really connecting the world improving technical security and building trust.

H

All of this, which was an effort to shape the future of the Internet, and in order to do this, we we wanted to make sure that we fostered a collaborative approach that we ensure that you know people work together on these things, that we made our voice stronger and that we built up our community, and so there were projects that were associated with all of these things. On connecting the world. We worked obviously on our community network campaign.

H

We worked on the internet exchange points and interconnections, and- and a piece of that was the support that we received in partnership with Facebook, particularly with respect to internet exchanges in Africa. The work on improving technical security was focused primarily on manners.

H

The mutually assured norms for routing security, and- and this is an area where I think we've had a certain amount of success and I'll be talking about it in a moment in building trust. We worked on our campaign around the Internet of Things in order to make sure that we fostered a collaborative approach. We continued working on the Internet governance community and supporting it.

H

We've worked over the course of the year on our brand and online presence and, of course, the community building really was focused around our chapters in the way that we engage with them next slide. Please now these slides are kind of HRD, so I want to warn you about that yeah just a little bit on their text-heavy, and this is because really, this is a report to you. So I'm gonna talk a little bit about each one of them, but you receive this deck in advance and, of course, it'll be posted.

H

So you know I hope that this is that this is useful. We we sent a couple of impact indicators so, generally speaking, when we had one of these areas, last year, I I tried to make sure that everything that we had had impact indicators in them. So we could tell whether we were you know doing things well or we were doing things poorly and to make sure that if we, you know, didn't see the progress that we wanted, we could either correct course, or we could decide that.

H

Actually this was an activity that wasn't worth doing um in in connecting the world. We had a number of things having to do with people supporting us and the first one was a number of governments that would publicly support, fund or change their regulations or policies in order to support community networks. Now this is a real challenge, in fact, because a lot of community networks um you know, could be built in lots of different ways, if only it weren't illegal to do so um and now I know you might be thinking to yourself.

H

Yeah lots of stuff could happen if only it weren't illegal to do so, but this is a case where the regulations are really designed for a different, a different kind of technology than in fact, the technology that we have available to us. So the regulations are effectively lagging the kinds of things that we could be doing and those kinds of things would benefit the people who have the hardest time connecting to the internet a lot of the time.

H

Quite frankly, the regulations benefit people were very large corporations who have no intention of connecting on those remote people and, and so what we have seen is that we, you know we need to work on that. That's a big part of the regulatory story here. Well, we did get four of the four governments that we were willing to do this. You might think to yourself, gee four, isn't very many yeah you try convincing governments to change their fundamental policies that they've been hanging on to since the dawn of radio.

H

You know any year so so the team has actually done a fantastic job on this. Yet better. We had on development agencies and International, Development, Bank's and so on, changing their funding models in order to support this, and we were, we were aiming it just to because you know people like they got multi-year granting cycles and so on, it's very hard to move them. Well.

H

Five of the two that we were aiming at have signed up for this, so I think that what we can say is actually there's a hunger for for this kind of for this kind of effort and I think that that's a really important part of what the what the team has found this year, that working with partners and working with people influencing governments to to understand on you know not to lobby them for for the regulatory change, but rather to understand what the options are before them.

H

It's not that hard really to change people's minds about this, but we need to continue that that effort, because there are lots and lots of people who are not going to be connected on by other ways. I will share a mildly amusing story about this, because I was at the UN General Assembly this year and I was invited to the broadband Commission um to talk about about community networks in particular, and we were talking about about this topic, and one of the commissioners and I won't say who went at me and said this is ridiculous.

H

You can't possibly do this like one little network at a time. The scale of this is never gonna work that way and all I could think was. How does he think the first half of the Internet was connected like we did it one network at a time and that's how we're going to connect the rest of the world and I think that this is a message that the Internet Society has to continue pushing forward.

H

So this is a really critical thing, but I think we've had a lot of success on this this year and I think the numbers show it, as you can see, there's a large number of accomplishments there on just a couple of things that I want to point out that you know. We've got partners like unis gap and CTL and other kinds of people that you don't normally find on the you know biggest promoters of Internet technology they're there on board, so we really are collaborating effectively with people around this.

H

The other thing is that we've also seen community groups themselves, who have become very you know, really pushing hard on this. On my way to this meeting, for instance, I stopped it at the indigenous connectivity summit in in Hilo, but I, of course, I'm not useful to do it. Eva's kind of work anymore, the entire team was there pushing this. We've got a number of networks that have been built this way this year next slide. Please.

H

We also continued to work on IXPs, the the ixp stuff that was in the internet exchange points. The IXP stuff that was in the action plan last year was pretty ly written around Africa, but we had this additional goal that we were kind of aiming at a number of IXPs that we were going to support in the rest of the of the globe as well. We didn't make quite as big a dent here as we wanted. We already had a baseline of like 15 that we were supporting.

H

We were aiming for 10, we didn't quite get there we, but we did get. You know it's a pretty good progress with eight. We got a couple more that we're working on might still land before the end of the year. So we might make this number, but it's not quite all the way there.

H

Yet a big piece of this has to do not so much with just getting internet exchange points up, but also in making sure that they're stable, that there is possible for their businesses to continue and so on, because a lot of the time what happens? Is people get these things started and and then they reach a sort of critical point and and I mean, as as the Internet Society knows, because we are going through one of these transitions ourselves.

H

um You know, there's a critical point in a lot of organizations: lives where there are these inflection points where you need actually to change your policies. You need to change the ways of working and so on. um In the case of I XP is a lot of.

H

The problem is frequently that you know it starts with somebody, who's really dedicated and so on, and you know they're working really hard and then they're working eight hours a day and then they're working 12 hours a day and pretty soon they're working 36 hours a day and that isn't going to scale. So we need instead to you know, take those those kinds of operations to the next step and that's a big part of what this is making sure that communities who've got this support. They've got you know green shoots.

H

We got to make sure that those shoots spread and turn into you know a real real garden. So that's what a lot of this is about again: I'm not going to go through all of the detail on here, because I think you can all read but I, but I want to I want to emphasize that this is a an area where we continue to work next slide please.

H

So this is the the the one where we were working on in Africa. So the goal was that we were aiming at a number of IXPs to be developed in Africa. We had scaling the operations of at least 10 IX peas in Africa with them we had a baseline of five. We certainly got ten working this year. We've worked with them. We also had the tenth African peering, an interconnection forum. It was a significant anniversary and one that I'm very pleased to say is is growing on its own.

H

So so the community has taken over the Secretariat function of that, and this is a another really significant move right. But what you do you foster community? You get it growing, you get it working on its own and then the community takes over and it runs things for itself and I. Think that's a critical thing that we have to do. We have to make sure that we don't become critical supports for things, but rather we become the the seed around which things can grow.

H

You know kind of like the grain of sand in the oyster lake, but you know you want the Pearl to come out of that. You don't want it to just remain a grain of sand, and so that's the that's the thing that I think we have managed to do in those cases and I think we're gonna continue to work on that.

H

Of course, a number of the number of or the amount of traffic I guess I should say that we were aiming at to keep its side of Africa would require better measurement, and this was one of the things we uncovered. That would require better measurement of what the traffic patterns actually are, and it turned out that we had a serious baseline problem here, where we really did not have a solid understanding of what it was that we were starting from, and it becomes very difficult, then to say well we're gonna make sure that it.

H

It has this change when you don't know what you're starting from so. This has in fact been identified as one of the things that we need to work on and you'll see in our presentation tomorrow that that measuring things is going to become a much much higher priority for next year.

H

um We do have, of course, a number of other upcoming milestones in in this quarter in, in particular, we're trying to do work on Cashville, so so this is part of the work towards that towards keeping traffic in the continent, and just I think everybody knows this, but I'll just mention it. This really is part of the goal here right. The keeping traffic local is is a really significant goal for a lot of these networks, because the alternative is a very expensive operation, and so these things go together.

H

Making the cash is local, and so on goes together with with the operation of of the ixps, because then you keep the traffic flowing locally and you don't have it's about expanding the world. At the same time, and alongside this, we also try to foster. You know development of local content itself, because if all that's happening is we're, building a pipeline by which traffic that is produced in one part of the world can be cached locally in another part of the world.

H

We're not actually fostering the local economy as well, so both of these things go hand in hand they're, you know they're pieces of what it is that we're trying to do the goal of this at the at the very end of it is the same one. We share all the time the internet is for everyone, and that means it should be for these people too. Next slide. Please, technical security is another issue that has has plagued us for a number of years.

H

Obviously, the central focus for us in this particular case, has to do with routing security. Now, routing incidents continue to be an issue on the internet. Some of those routing incidents appear now to be malicious in a way that perhaps in the past, they were simply on mistakes, but there's still plenty of mistakes on the Internet right, I mean we get lots and lots of stories about.

H

You know various malicious routing attacks, but the overwhelming number of these things are just bonehead mistakes and that's an important thing to keep in mind, because that's one of the things that that the manners project is there to do good routing security means not only routing security against attacks, but also routing it. The security against mistakes.

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Just from the point of view of the Internet there's no difference between these two things you can tell so what we had last year was a significant aim to double the number of manners members now it looks like we didn't quite double the number of manners members, because we had a 76 percent increase from from the year end of 2018. Until now, however, we actually vastly exceeded our target.

H

So when we were assuming when we wrote the plan for you in in q4 last year, we were aiming for a hundred members by the end of the year and it turned out we had 146 by the end of 2018, so so the sort of two year thing it turns out. Now we've got 257 members and I. Think that we're you know in pretty good shape here, but the other question, though, is ok, so what people are signed up for manners?

H

What we do right, the the whoopty-doo is, is something changing as a result of this and therefore the critical thing that we needed to release this here is the thing that happened and that's the observatory.

H

If you can't tell whether you're making any difference in a thing, then you can have all the members you want and it makes no difference, but what the observatory does is it gives us the ability to look at the internet and see whether routing leaks are getting better and that's you know that's something that we have lacked for a long time. The internet now has that, and this is the way that we delivered.

H

What we had approximately at the end of 2018 was 2051 routing incidents. We observed in the observatory, 1815 routing instant incidents up to our in September 2019, so we've got you know, we've got this correlation problem here, because the tools have changed, so this is really a baseline year. It's it's time right now, by which we'll we'll start to build up these numbers, and then year on year, we can see whether this whether this is being effective. The goal of the Manners campaign is not it's not really.

H

Just an Internet Society campaign because once again or trying to do here is develop a community. That's going to look after this. This problem can only be solved by people who are routing packets, they're. The only people in the whole world who can solve this problem and what we need to do is create the conditions under which they believe that it's in their interest, because we've had BC p-38 for like 100 million years.

H

Ok, not really, but a long time and uh and and it it wasn't widely deployed and the reason it wasn't is because I had to pay the cost and everybody else got the benefit. The goal of this project fundamentally is to change that equation, to make it in your interests to improve the security of your network and to improve the security of your neighbours network and what this does is. It provides fundamentally a mechanism by which people can build reputation, systems around whether you're a good, a good routing, Network right.

H

If you do the right things, then you don't appear in this Observatory very often, or you appear, as somebody who's just routing traffic correctly and then what happens? Is people think? Ok. Well now, that's a network that I want to use because my traffic is not going to be negatively affected. It's not going to be negatively affected because my provider is messed up.

H

It's not going to be negatively affected, because some government has told this provider to change the to change the settings and therefore I want to use them as the provider as opposed to this other one. That seems to have all these mistakes. You know if I'm a if and I, if I'm a network provider of some kind.

H

All of my customers are affected by my made my mistakes, so we got to give people the information for them to be able to say ah here are the people who really know what they're doing that's the goal of this of this project. uh Again, I'm, not gonna, you know, go through all of the detail bullet points here, but I do encourage you to have a look at them.

H

The team has done an enormous amount of work on this project, and sometimes this project comes in for dismissal because it doesn't look like it's doing a lot of things. One of the problems with this project is that it's intended to reduce the number of things you can see. So it's actually supposed to make itself invisible, right and and the and the more successful it is, the less you can notice it, which makes it seem like a negative project. But in fact the less you hear about it, the better the story and that's a that's.

H

An important effect of this and I know sometimes I think the team doesn't feel like they get all of the attention that they they deserve and I'm here to tell them that it's okay, that's actually kind of gold. um So a plus yes right exactly uh next, please now. We also wanted to continue our work on building trust, and you will remember that we had a number of of efforts around the internet of things over the past several years and some of those things have been have been actually quite quite successful.

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This goal arm was to increase the number of manufacturers and increase the number of penetration into the into the consumer market, to get them to adopt a variation of the OTA framework for the Internet of Things security. That was that was the goal. We had a list of target manufacturers and we went to work on them. Well, we didn't have a lot of success. We were stuck pretty stubbornly with just a couple of sign ups and we we had a number of other people who said well. If somebody else goes.

H

First, then we'll come along too, and we worked on that for quite a bit of time. The team did a lot of work on it and they, and they really did make a lot of effort, but we were not able to move the needle some other people working in the internet-of-things space seemed to be having more luck. In particular, our partners at Mozilla were doing quite a lot of good work and we had a very, very effective collaboration with consumers international around the around the demand side of this.

H

So our conclusion, when we were looking at planning for this year, was that this was a thing that you know the the other goals we had. We had actually done pretty good work on and I'm gonna come to those in a moment and this particular goal of moving these manufacturers was unlikely to be something that we were going to have a lot of luck with. We didn't have the connections with with the manufacturers.

H

We were not really building them very effectively and we weren't getting the signups that we wanted, and when that happens, sometimes what you have to say is well. We don't like. We think that we still think this is important. We still think it's valuable and we're pleased that other people are working in this space, but it doesn't help to have us like working in parallel and ineffectually. So we have wound this program down, I it. It was a very difficult decision. I have to say you know.

H

This was something that many of us were attached to. The Internet of Things is obviously an important development, and it's going to affect all of us. You know essentially forever into the future, but we have you know a fixed sort of pool of resources, and you have to sometimes decide that somebody else is leading that charge. You should let them do it and put your shoulder behind them instead of trying to lead yourself. So that's what we did.

H

However, I will point out that we had quite a lot of other successes that were important and I. Think we're part of the reason that our various partners and and allies working in this field had had some of the success that that that they did, because we have been very good at fostering communities the the discussion that we've talked about. You know in some of these other areas is one of the things that we were doing in here. So you will remember that we had the Canadian multi-stakeholder effort on IOT.

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We had another one in Senegal on. There was a French group that was working with us and so on, and these things actually have taken off. They have they have they built communities themselves, they're working in this pattern and they're and they're. You know they're building off one another and they're collaborating around the world, so they're talking to one another, we're continuing to to invest some people time and some effort in keeping in keeping that that that wheel.

H

Turning but really the momentum is now on the part of the community-based efforts they're having success on their own and and I think. What we should do is celebrate that success and say: hey all these people are doing this thing. They don't need us to be stand-in there. You know providing input when they're when they're running on their own, so that I think is a very important success and it's one of the things that we as the Internet Society need to learn to build on. We had success in this area.

H

We were not having direct lobbying success with the manufacturers, but we were having good success at fostering the communities we did, that the communities are up and running now. They know how to do it. We can get out of the way and turn our attention to other urgent problems that are facing the internet. So that's what we are. That's what we're working on here again: I'm, not gonna, go through all the leads.

H

The details in the bullets, but I think that, despite the fact that this project was wound down because of the one sort of quantitative number, our quantitative measure that was not really working for us I actually think that this was a real success and I think he should book it that way. Next, please.

H

Now this um fostering a collaborative approach was tightly linked, in fact to those efforts that I was just talking about. What we saw was that we had a number of targets on we had we had targets that we were trying to trying to get these governments to involve themselves in in collaborative approach, and we did have a number of significant successes here.

H

um In particular, we had on the African Union cybersecurity expert group that was put together and that's a multi stakeholder group in a region that is not well known for its sort of wide consultative collaboration. So I think that you know we should regard that as a like, a really big success. Similarly, we we had all of these stakeholder platforms that I just mentioned. That was another area where governments and- and once again you know, I guess, maybe because I've been exposed to it so much I a bit over the last year.

H

I I no longer find it so remarkable, but it was kind of weird to see people. You know from the middle of the civil service, walking into a room and getting up at the microphone and saying well, I, don't know whether we could support this I think my ministers a little exposed on this thing, but on the other hand, this is the right thing to do so we can try.

H

That is not a thing that people in civil service give up and say right and there they were webcast like live-streaming on the internet, saying those things out loud and and they had somehow managed to convince their their countries that being involved in public, like that is a better way to develop the rules around these kinds of devices. That is that's an astonishing move and we're not alone in doing this right.

H

This is a thing that is is proving itself out across many different communities and I think the government's are sometimes a little bit late coming to it, but they recognize the value of this, and this is one of the things that we're doing so I. Think that that's great, we also saw something that was, and you will have heard about. This was somewhat a little more controversial because it was not an open, multi-stakeholder process initially so.

H

Network neutrality already is a difficult topic because it means like different things depending on where you are, but in the United States. It means one thing and it has been a long-standing serious problem there on and getting anybody to talk to each other even reasonably has been a long-standing problem and for reasons I I can only you know be thankful to Providence that we have managed to find some of the staff that we have.

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They have the ability to convince people to sit down and talk, and so that's what this effort was in the United States now you know it's not a home run, we're not all the way home yet, but but these are players who have not. You know they've all been suing one another for 25 years and and instead they were talking- and that is the kind of thing that you know that the internet depends upon. It depends upon people elaborating in order to try to get things yet things to work. Whether this will persist.

H

I don't know there were there were criticisms of the approach that we took in that case because we had to do it with you know the players, like all the people who were involved in suing one another, and so we needed to we needed to pay some attention to that to that distinction, that that was a case where we needed to get people to collaborate first in private, before you could have the discussion in public, and there were people who criticized this approach because they said that this is the wrong idea.

H

This is not true multi-stakeholder thing, because everybody wasn't involved well, if you can't get any of the people who are who are literally in control of the network, to talk to one another getting everybody else to talk about. It is not going to help right because none of the people who actually can make a difference are involved in that discussion.

H

So that's the reason we took that strategy and I think that this is an important lesson for us that sometimes the right thing to do is to get the people together in order that you can get started. That doesn't mean that you're finished it's the the idea is to get things started so that you can then move on to a way that includes everybody in the discussion and, and that means that we need to be flexible. There's not a simple rule about the right way to do these things there.

H

There is a difficulty about this project, and that was that our quantitative measures depended on a baseline. We needed to see whether we were going to increase the number of governments and it turned out that we had poor accounting.

H

So this is a another lesson for the Internet Society and from the staff that we really need to identify solid baselines in our in our KPIs when we're gonna announce them, because if we don't have good solid baselines than the you know, subsequent data is kind of garbage and- and that's been, you know a useful lesson for the Internet Society staff. I. Think that you know we haven't historically always been so great about reporting on our progress, and some of these measures are not going to work.

H

The first time, I think that that's great and I think that the staff deserve a lot of commendation for for working so hard this year in order to learn some of these lessons, which I think in some cases were not very next. Please.

H

In in building our community, the the area where we were focusing this year was on the chapters, and you heard the chapter a seize on view about this a little bit earlier that you know many of the things that we have done have not been perfect but and and I fully concede that, but I have to say that I think actually, our relationships with the chapters are getting better and I think they're getting better, partly because we have some clear rules.

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We have a clear understanding of what the interface is, what things are, what it means to be an Internet Society chapter and what it does not so one of the big things that we had to do, and this has been a multi-year effort that was started before I came to the internet society on staff. But- and so you will be aware of it- was this effort to to rank the health of the chapters to increase the engagement and to make sure that the chapters had a basis by which they could tell what their health was.

H

What you know, what was the relationship, so the first piece of that was to get everybody signed up on on chapter engagement, letters so that you know you knew whether you were a chapter or didn't, which was historically a problem. We didn't always have clear criteria about what it was to be a chapter.

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Our criteria are pretty loose but they're, clear and, and that clarity is a really important part of how you have a grown-up relationship with other organizations, because, as we all know, the trapped errs are not really part of us in the corporate sense. There are independent organizations and we're all associated with one another through this common mission and common vision of the internet. But what that means is that we need, in fact, to make sure that that relationship is healthy and that it's clear, and so that's what we did we have on this.

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By now we have a hundred and twenty three chapters in good standing. This was not true, you know just a little bit before so things have really been improving over the course of the year. There are eight chapters that remain in rejuvenation as it when this was prepared. I, don't know moved in the last a little bit but I think it's the same. Oh you're, looking at the map are you yeah, um so this is all available on the map and that's updated from member Nova and so on.

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But the critical thing here is that we've got a bunch of effectiveness, member mette measures and I think that that's a really important part. Now there remains some some difficulties in this relationship and I don't want to I, don't want to downplay. ah There remains the problem that we need the chapters to have certain financial capabilities. In particular. We need them to have a bank account in their own name in order to get money from us and I am painfully aware of how that is causing us trouble.

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It's causing us trouble with the chapters it's causing it causing difficulty for the chapter operations um it. It would cause us difficulty in the other direction. That is with the IRS. If we were not careful about this, so we're continuing to look at ways to do that. Sara's going to come tomorrow and talk a little bit about the foundation, and one of the things that the foundation is leading is the way that you know.

H

Maybe we can try to solve some of those problems, because there are workarounds for some, but not all of these cases and and we're looking at various various ways that we might be able to solve this um there is, you will see there there's a little asterisk that says: well, you probably won't see because it's a tiny little typo, but um there there is a region by region view available in the Gros dashboard and we'll be talking about the dashboard in a few minutes.

H

We've we've got a lot of activity in this area and I have to say the other thing that we've done this year. um You know in an effort to engage with the chapters has been a lot of consultation around the development of the of the organization's own plans. The things that of the Internet Society is trying to do globally. So that's another area where I believe we have had actually quite a lot of success. Quite a lot of success.

H

There has been a little bit of adjustment in the way that this relationship works, because some of the programs have moved out of the intranet society itself and into the intranet society foundation, and so, for instance, beyond the net which was originally and it remains a chapter focused program has nevertheless stopped being an Internet Society activity such as debt has been clearly marked as a funding program that goes into the foundation and so that that shows off the continued collaboration between the Internet Society and the Internet Society Foundation, and it also makes sure that the chapters continue continue.

H

Their funding will be sorting out more of that kind of stuff. On, oh you know, overtime and so on. Next, please, there's been a lot of work on strengthening our voice this year. A particular goal here was to increase page views and to make sure that that that that page of you count was was rising because that's a you know, a reasonably good indication of whether people are coming to us or not. The target was 3 million page views until September 30th.

H

We were at two point: five, nine, but as of the fourth of November, we have in fact across the three three million. So congratulations is a comm team who I guess for watching this constantly. So like little ticker, there were also a number of efforts around other kinds of communications things.

H

So, for instance, the AIESEC foundation site was built up this year, and that was a you know a parallel track, but it was all actually performed by the Internet Society communication staff on there's, there's been quite a lot of effort around on audits and so on, and of course, we've had some some other other migrations of the various website on pieces. Next, please, we also had a lot of work around brand health. However, and this is an area where it turns out, we suffered a little bit once again from from the baseline position.

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We were starting from so what we wanted to do was was increase the brand health by three percent.

H

Well, that turns out to be a little bit tricky to measure because it it appears that the assessment was not perfect, but it was pretty good on the measurement that we started with was a little bit confusing and it turned out that it was hard to measure improvements in it and so on and gradually what we concluded over the course of the year was that this was a poor measure of whether people perceived us well, and so there's been a lot of effort among the staff to community to redirect the way that we the way that we understand what the health of the internet society brand is.

H

uh All of that said, there were a bunch of things that were done this year and and I think you have all seen the of the new brand video of the Internet Society right, because we did a shot of that at the last. At the last meeting um we also got some some really good um attention and I think that this is a really important part. We got a lot of really good attention that came from the things that we were doing so the internet Hall of Fame.

H

We got a lot of great press from that. There were various op-eds by various people on the staff on that that attracted a lot of attention and the manners Observatory launched attracted quite a lot of attention as well. That's a critical thing to remember right that this is not a thing in itself. It's a thing! That's really in service of all of the good work that we're doing, and that's one of the most important parts of this again.

H

I won't go through all of the detail on there, but please do look in your in your slides next, please we continue to have actually um Communications is one of the areas that is is actually best at measuring itself among the staff, and so you get more metrics here because we have them. But what one of the important things to see here is that we've got a really significant increase in engagement. Now, engagement is, is measured by people continuing to to interact with the stuff that you're doing right.

H

So when you've got people interacting with your accounts on various social media, on envira environments or when you've got people who continue to use the site and so on, that engagement numbers is way up and what that suggests, of course, is that we're producing things that people are more interested in. That's really the measure, so it's not so much a communications thing as it tells you. What is the content any good and the and the answer here is: yes, it's in fact I'm keeping people I'm sticking around. Similarly, we have our what's what's called burned.

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Media I love this name on without that's the stuff that you didn't have to ask other people to do for you, but instead they came to you and I. Think that's it. You know, that's also showing that's also showing a lot of a really positive indicators. Next, please.

H

So there were some things that we that we were planning to do and um and they were intending to to lead into into future things- and we did this, but we didn't get, we didn't. We didn't get the follow-on work. So this is that this is the big one.

H

um We had a bunch of fellowship programs- and you remember hearing about this- on where we were spending a significant amount of money, but we didn't really have a clear idea of what it was that they were supposed to achieve, and it wasn't clear when we did know what that what it was supposed to achieve, that that was a thing that we wanted to achieve with them.

H

So so we have both of those problems and on that suggested that really what we needed to do was a pretty wholesale rethink of these things, and so we actually turned down some programs that um that we're running like, for instance, the UM the technical fellowships to the ITF. We stopped bringing people on technical fellowships to ITF meetings, because it wasn't clear that what that was doing was in fact engendering the kind of the kind of talent that we wanted.

H

So we we started to, we started to have a hard look at that and we turned down a whole bunch of programs. um This uncovered an enormous number of surprises. I will say um we found I, think Sally I'm. Sorry, she was drinking wet right. What I said that Sally kind of led this effort, and uh and she there was there there- there was a moment.

H

um I could tell at one point when when I was talking to Sally and- and we were discussing an issue and and was obvious to me- that what had happened was she turned over a rock and under the rocks were more rocks. Yeah like it was just rocks all the way down and under each Rock was more rock piles um and and I think that um that the team that did this led by Sally really did a fabulous job. They developed a really big and beautiful holistic picture of what we should do with these.

H

With these fellowships, in particular, there's been a very significant effort to understand what it is that we would want to achieve with these things, and there are there are. There are two very clear aids one having to do with people early in that career and another one having to do with people in the middle of their careers, and these are different sorts of goals and what we're really trying to do in the design of these programs.

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What we would try to do is to figure out how we could make more people in the world who believe the internet is for everyone and who believe in the internet model of how you build it. That's what we're trying to trying to do. We want to convert hearts and minds. That's essentially what that fellowship is. It is about, and we think that you can do that by just explaining to people how stuff works, because we really do believe that the internet way is the best way.

H

The problem is that we're doing a lot of other stuff, and so the difficulty is that we planned to you know, take this out to the community. This year and say: okay, well, here's our proposal and we would help you know some consultations, tweak the program designs based on that and then we would launch it. You know in 2020 that would be the plan.

H

ah The the unfortunate fact is that when we looked at all of the other stuff that we're trying to do- and we looked at the pile of money we had and the amount of time we had and the commitments that we were trying to.

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We found that we probably can't do it this year. Now we may revise that decision later in the year as we start to exercise the plan. I'll be talking about the plan of course tomorrow, but I want you to appreciate that you know we did all of this work. This is sitting and ready to go, but we're probably not going to move on it right away and I'm bitterly disappointed that that's the decision we had to make, but you know well, you pay me for is to make choices and I made that choice.

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Oh, it may be too I mean just so that everybody notices what what I'm sorry saying. So you remember that the last board- you know, we always said you know some. Some action points to the next board, and- and this was one of them actually so just just for you to know that this is why it's important that andrew is following after that, because this was an explicit decision for the 2001, whatever you call the previous board to this board.

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So so that's why I was also talking to Sally and Andrew so that they gave as they do something just so that you know everybody understands what we are talking.

H

Thank you next, please! Well! Actually. Next, please.

H

So I gave you a little teaser about this in in Montreal, but this is the first time that we're sort of showing it off publicly. You should have received over the last couple of days logins to this tool, and this tool is intended to provide you with ongoing indications about the work that the Internet Society staff is doing.

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So the goal here is to produce a tool by which you can measure against the goals that we set for ourselves in the in the plan for for next year we have a number of indicators and the goal, and the idea here is that you've got those indicators at your fingertips every time.

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Every time you talk to me, you can have logged in to that thing and look at it first and then you can yell at me for ways in which we are not doing it, and you can praise the staff for all of the ways in which they are achieving the things that they're doing. So. That's that's really the goal here. um There are a number of pieces to this to this dashboard. um You can see in the dashboard right now indicators having to do, and so these are all static pages.

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You all have logins to this thing and I'm not brave enough to try to do a live demo, so um so I encourage you instead to use your um your real version, but, as you can see, we have a number of indicators here. This slide shows the connect the world measures it includes, for instance, the number of agencies and so on. So the one that we mentioned before the target was to the current number is two. So it's a hundred percent. In this particular case there was a number of IXPs.

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This snapshot was taken before so it's only three of ten but as I mentioned to you before, we've actually exceeded that by something and- and you can see- also a sort of rate of change graph. You know down at the bottom to try to capture what you know what's going on in the manors project and so on. So these are the the central idea here is that these are measures of the impact indicators.

H

We said we were going to try to meet and you can look at them all the time and know hey what is to what extent are we meeting meeting our targets? Next, please.

H

We also are trying to measure. You know the pieces about our community, one of the things about and again this is a static view, but you have the the live one: the chapters and SIG's there you can see that there are our two colors, the ones that are in good standing and the ones that are in rejuvenation and it's broken down by by region.

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I was talking to Tom Stark, who did a lot of the work on this the other day and he was showing me the system and he's complaining about how how he couldn't group things here and in a way that was convenient for him, but it turns out, of course, that we're we're structuring things a little bit differently at the Internet Society this year and there's very effective collaboration going on across the staff.

H

In order to to address this, because people have figured out hey, this is just you know, structured query language underneath it and it turns out it's not that difficult to to adjust things. So so that's one of the things that is, that I'm pleased to see, because what what we're going to be able to do is is iterate relatively quickly on this. This tool is very far from perfect, but it's very far from nothing as well and I. Think that that's you know one of the reasons that I'm pleased that we've done it.

H

This is, and I want to emphasize as well that a lot of what is going on here is the through of having set up a department whose job it is really to look at the organization and see how well it's working and so on. Renee Leah um leads that group of people and there's a whole whole staff there that are supporting that effort.

H

That will continue in the next year, but I think we've got a good start here on understanding what things that we're doing that are effective and useful for our community and what things are? You know not really working out and then we should stop doing those things and use our precious resources to make the internet better.

H

Next, please, oh, that's the that's the end of it.

A

Thank you Andrew, so so just I mean a few questions like as Andrew mentioned and which I mentioned that this morning, as well and I have mentioned many times, I mean one of the main things we asked Andrew to do. When you know we hired him was to basically look into meaningful KPIs to measure impact as opposed to activity.

A

So I think this is a giant leap in the random right direction and the previous action point for action plan was actually you know step in the right direction, but you know we put it together when Andrew was just kind of London and and I mean it wasn't perfect, but this one actually I mean it has been advancing in in that direction and and, as you see, I mean like they having a dashboard and I'm actually acknowledging when we were measuring something without that baseline or without even a coherent way to measure which doesn't make any sense, I think it's good so that you know those fixes are very welcome.

A

So so just you know to say that you know really I mean thanks for for that and and to basically get this period of of the guidelines we were getting from the board from we were giving from the board. So thanks a lot for that. The second one is regarding the you mentioned, network neutrality and and I. Think I already asked you and Sally, but also to so that everybody is on the same page. As you know, nowadays, network neutrality is is called open.

A

Internet in in Europe and well I mean it's not exactly the same thing, but basically it's it's what you know it would be the equivalent and, as you know, there's an open consultation right now. So so, just maybe you want to say a few words of our engagement in that or or whether we think it's important or not.

H

So the central issue around around these topics is that the the first problem is to get people to understand what it is. They're talking about and I think that one of the central things that we've been trying to do in our engagement in Europe is to is to deal with the policymakers to show them some of the questions that they're asking are not always the questions that they need to be asking and I.

H

Think if we can, if we can lead the conversation in that direction, then you know we're gonna have we're gonna have some effect. Obviously you know we have staff on the ground in Europe and they're engaged with with people there. You know so called Network neutrality was not a major priority on this year because it seemed like on quiescent now it seems to be heating back up and obviously the reason we have people in all of the regions is precisely so that we can keep on top of those things so I'm.

H

You know I'm confident that the the regional bureau, what you know, is transforming in the in the next iteration of the organization, but it's not going away we'll continue to to provide that, and the nice thing is this effort. You know matches nicely with a number of the efforts that we're tackling in this year anyway, so it fits very naturally into the into the priorities of the organization and I. Think that that um you know that gives us the opportunity to sort of participate in those discussions.

H

In a way that says you know what you're, what you're trying to do here. We understand it, but you need not to do that in the in the sort of isolated way. That appears to be the starting point of that conversation. The good news about you know. Large regulatory moves is that they take quite a bit of time, and so you have the opportunity to try to try to nudge things in there in the right direction.

H

A

Good but yeah just for completeness I think is good. When we talk about you know certain issue in a certain region just to to understand you know the open issues and I agree: I mean the issues there. They are very different to what they are discussing in the u.s. edge. Okay- and my last comment was that yeah I mean, like I, think we have this car these many times but again for completeness, and we completely understand that that you know the more flexible you are when it comes to giving money.

A

It's you know better in general, but this certain red lines that we have said that we're not gonna cross and one of them is- is not only the IRS, but it's kind of like legally there's certain things that we cannot do so so you know we think kind of the legal framework and the tax framework. We will do everything to be flexible, not only to chapters, but you know people receiving grants from the foundation. But you know our compliance program basically has some red lines that you know it is like there.

A

We have a zero-tolerance policy, so we will never cross them. So just to be clear. What is the position of the board on that, and- and this is one of the most important things we have I mean to be yeah exactly yeah. That's a good summary.

H

Depends so so to be clear, I I believe that every person on the Internet, Society staff knows this, and you know in the event that we were to discover that somebody did not and was acting consistently, would that we would move swiftly to do something about it, because it is very, very important to me that we have very consistent and, and professional lines are around, which we are doing these things, and it's not just because you know going to jail, doesn't advance the mission it also um it.

H

It also makes you it also makes you leaky right it. What it does is it means that you, don't you, don't use those resources in the most effective way possible. um We are we're generously well, and you know, well-funded for an operation of our size, we're incredibly fortunate that we've got a relatively stable annual. You know, up-and-down amount that comes in and the.

H

The benefit of that is that we can deliver some of these things to to the internet community, but if we don't use those things effectively, then we're wasting that money and and despite the fact that it looks like I, think to a lot of people like a lot of money. The truth of the matter is that this is not a huge.

H

You know fortune right yet I mean it's it's it's under its well under 100 million a year which, in a lot of countries is, you know not like even the size of like us, minor, Department and and I think that's an important thing when you think of very large economies that this is not a huge amount of money that we we have to spend on this thing we're very fortunate that we also have a community that you know we can use to to magnify our our goals and and our activities, and that what that means is.

H

We can leverage that. But if we're gonna leverage it, then we need to make sure that in fact we're you know we're assisting the people who are most effective with it and the way we do that is to measure those things. I think it makes for effective partnership as well. So that that to me is is, is I, mean I, I, guess it goes without saying, but it's better to say it. So thank you. Yeah.

A

No I understand that many people are on the same page, but just in case someone is not I, I, don't care. You know something like a broken right, Court every now and then especially on unimportant matters. um Any questions comments on last year's action plan, so I have Hans Peter and Waleed I'm Sean.

F

It's the minor questions, I love the grow thing that is super cool. um Is there a plan because I know it's just kind of just started, there's to add more data? So when you see like 15 governments, you can like click on it'll, say: here's the 15 government. Yes,.

H

So some of the some of the limitations come from the way the thing was designed. So there are a bunch of of okay, now I'm gonna geek out a little bit because um cuz I'm a database guy from way back right and so like I really want, and it's very very hard for me to leave it alone. um But one of the limitations is that it turns out.

H

There are certain kinds of grouping queries that make it difficult to to drill further and that's one of the one of the areas where we want to spend a little bit time working on it. If you have comments on things that you, you know see that that don't work for you as well as as you might like, or you know, you'd like to be able to drill in this direction as opposed to that one.

H

It's very helpful to have that feedback, because then we can prioritize those things you know according to what it is that people are wanting to do.

K

Thanks Peter no Molly yeah. Perhaps it's also sounding like a broken record, but I'm coming up. This is over and over I'm, absolutely okay and I. Think it's great so far and hearing about shutting down things, which makes no sense. It's absolutely the right way to do in my opinion and from my view, but there might be a perception, especially from the outside, who is a little bit different. For example, when the IOT program was more or less shut down, message has reached me: oh that's, AI, that's Isaac doesn't sink.

K

Iot is something important for future. Same is true for ambassador fellowship programs. Why are you shutting it down? I believe it meets a little bit more messaging or a little bit more explanation? Why? It's done why, especially for in the case of the fellowship program that it's a delay that we do something in this area again, but something different, because what we did so far was not the best we could do when you want to better just the perception from the outside, not seconded I,.

H

Really I understand what you're, saying um and I think there are two things that I would respond with. First of all, yes, we can always get better at communicating these things and and that's an area where I think we need to improve some, but the other thing, and some of this will come up more clearly tomorrow.

H

You know the goal of developing our our annual plan and developing our annual plan with these metrics and so on, and the goal of developing our plan with a picture about what you know the five-year vision is is partly to make those things much less surprising. So, for instance, in the case of the IOT effort, in one sense, it was conceived is a multi-year effort, but there was never a sort of arc about how the multiple years were going to fit together and so on.

H

So then it becomes impossible to to turn it down without just sort of you know, saying yep sorry we're turning that off now and instead what we need to be able to do is to say to the community hey look at this. This is what the situation is, and then people can see. um You know how how that is.

H

I have to I said to the staff the other day um that you know, one of the things I asked them to do this year was essentially do two years work in one year, because because we had to develop all of this stuff- and we also had to you- know- make the whole organization able to measure out into the future and so on and and they worked really really hard to deliver on that um it did mean that some of the time we ended up with with gaps in the way that this was communicated and I understand that and I I know that probably each of you faced with in your community's various push backs from people who are like you know how come you don't care about us anymore and I regret that that is the message that ended up getting communicated, because it certainly isn't true.

H

But it's also true that I want I, want this organization to be able to deliver things in a predictable and orderly way, so that people understand hey that program, even though it's a good idea is something that we're not doing very well, and these other people are doing it well, we should be able to hand it off to them and and I agree with you. That message was not fully carried forward.

A

Thank you shalida and john. You know.

G

First of all, great work so far, and hopefully in the future, I wanted to reflect on the middle east and there were a few shining points there in the Middle East and from Saudi, Arabians etc. Have you learned through these experiences that there are new ways dealing with certain countries and how can we leverage that in.

H

The future so you're you're exactly right that in a very challenging region and in fact, a very challenging staff situation, we've had enormous successes in in the Middle East region, and it really goes down to the people who are there, who did a fabulous job working together with partners working with governments in the region and drawing on the rest of the organization. I. Think that, partly because the the staff situation it was, it was understaffed, the entire its and it still remains understaffed. um They.

H

They were very creative at figuring out, oh who is coming and how can I get them in and so on, and had a story for how it was going to fit together some of the other other regions they they. You know they built up over time, whereas this is a new region, and so they were a little bit short-staffed and and- and there was a little bit less- of a sort of regional focus by the by the staff. They instead focused across the organization, because that was where the resources were now.

H

This is actually a lesson that I think the other Bureau is very rapidly latched. On to, and so we've seen a lot of, very effective use of that and and the the organizational changes that we'll be talking about tomorrow, but that you've heard heard about already are a reflection of that they're, an effort, in fact to make sure that we are very effective at at delivering a sort of you know: internet society view but doing it where we are and so on it.

H

It reminds us also that effective and close relationships with the government's, even if we don't exactly agree with the program that they have on are, are important. We need to make sure that we don't let those relationships founder or corrode it's an important part of it.

H

You know, and we need to do that without falling into the into the mistake of thinking that governments are the people who are going to lead the development of the Internet in anywhere, because they're, not most most networks are not run by governments and the way the internet works is is by the networks connecting to one another um and and having that conversation pretty consistently has been, has been effective. Another thing that we have learned I, think really nicely in that region is that there are.

H

There are occasions where it's tempting to set up a dynamic of. Oh here is this technology from this part of the, and it's being you know brought in into here, and instead you need to convert that conversation into here is a technology that you can use to develop things in this way.

H

According to your priorities, and rather than setting up a dynamic of um you know here is here, are the values that are embedded in here instead putting two people that the value of the Internet is really that it's your network and you can connect and and make the you know and gain the advantages locally, concentrating on those features of the way the internet delivers. The value to the network operator is is something that we we found has been successful.

H

We've had good good results with people who otherwise are sometimes a little bit hard to persuade that this is a technology that is advantageous to them. So I think that those are things that are that have been quite valuable. um We also have some people here who visited the region, but who otherwise did not are not always there and I think that it would be. You know useful to have some discussions about. You know things that people learn that way and so on. I don't want to put Sally on the spot, though sure.

Q

Yes, so I remain tapped me too, and Jane as well just have to pretty much anyone she to get to the region to Saudi Arabia in April, and that was not certainly not a country I had ever visited or thought I would visit and never thought that the internet society would be frankly welcome, and we were more than welcomed.

Q

The minister sat with us co-chaired the the workshop with us representatives from Oman and Bahrain and Egypt around the table, really engaging and offering ideas and interested and and interested in what we had to say and what was interesting. What's nice about what I think what what the region and nermeen has done is that was tied to the people from the government that she brought to the policy fellowship several weeks earlier, so they had already come home briefed their minister on this is working. These people will talk to us.

Q

Senior people from this community will sit down and engage with us. So by the time the workshop happened. Those doors were wide open and it's continued now throughout and in a number of other places in the region. We're getting ready to publish a report- and you know this is all in a matter of months, but the doors really are open in ways that we never would have imagined.

Q

So it was definitely a learning experience for me and he told me: I really must do this and I mean told me: I really must do this and it was extraordinary. It was, it was not something I would have thought we would have. We would have managed to do and I think it will bear fruit for many years. I think.

A

Thank you anything else, Walid, okay, good!

A

F

Go to be concise, that'd be I, have sort of a simple-minded question which is I am impressed that we got three million pageviews. Were there any surprises as to what pages people were viewing.

H

um There there have been some some slightly puzzling on pieces of the data. You know there are things that that definitely drive H views right, the the internet. How famous here drove a lot of page views? I mean it, you know just sort of events tend to drive things there. There's a cluster of stuff. That is, is old content.

H

That is still that is, you know still on this on the site, because we're the internet society we try not to like just randomly take things down and- and it continues to be popular and it suggests actually to me that there there are some programs there that need to be need to be developed and fostered and so on, but we don't have a proper analysis of it. Yet so it's on its way.

A

Good items, yes me.

Q

It's a small question, but.

L

What other criteria for a healthy chapter, five yeah.

H

So so, there's a the the the criteria are in the engagement letters and there's a standard engagement letter, and it has to do with. For instance, you know whether they've had elections, whether the whether the functioning is proper like, for instance, are they are they having regular meetings?

H

Do they have a proper election system for this or is it um you know the same people over and over again, there's a question about sort of baseline membership, how many people are signed up at and so on whether there are activities, so one of the critical things is you're, not really a chapter. If you just have like a list that nobody ever posts to and and so on there, there needs to be some evidence that the chapter is working.

H

One thing that is is still a little bit of a challenge about our activities around this and I concede this without being too pleased about it is, is that we still focus a lot of our energy on chapters that that need to be moved from. You know kind of working to like really working and that there's been a lot of effort around that area and I would like us to spend more attention on some of the chapters that are really active and really doing things.

H

On the other hand, the chapters who are really active and really doing things don't really need our help and they kind of don't want it. And so you know that that's an area where I think you will see over the next year. We will try to focus a little bit of. How can we improve those relationships because I think they would be valuable, but I will say that you know, for instance, one of the one of the most active chapters that we had.

H

It was very like low attention from the point of view of the staff you know when they wanted us to respond and they wanted us to respond together with them. They they were not hesitant to ask us and to make sure that you know that we would who would respond to them. They had a technical worry in Hong Kong and they came to us and they asked us to talk to talk to them about it.

H

We did and and I was very pleased to be able to say this is exactly the kind of relationship that we can have here's a very successful chapter. It delivers a lot of value locally and when it needs us, it's it's. It's sure that we're going to respond and it any you know we give them the kind of support that they want, rather than some of the situations that have been somewhat similar, people have felt a little bit like. Maybe we were overbearing on them.

H

This was a case where they could pull on us and we would deliver and I feel good about that.

H

A

Else: yeah, oh God,.

E

Thank you for the report and congratulations. One comment about activities for the chapters but I can see from from our chapter in Argentina is that there and I'm say your comment about those chapters that are more consolidated. We we had our 20 anniversary this year.

E

It's there a lot of like training, somehow activities and it's becoming exhausting for some members because they have to they have to attend them because they get some grab points or whatever and honestly there are people that have work and volunteer work and it has, it is becoming I mean I I promoted many people to get involved into the into the board, and sometimes they they commented, my god. This is really very, very intense I.

E

Don't have that much time for this and it's people that don't need professionals, engineers, lawyers, so that I think it's okay for some chapters, but some others are they have to attend because they need to have these points because they thought, if not, they don't get this money to pay the lawyers and all that Argentine chapter is a registered chapter under the National dollars. It extremely expensive. Now in in Argentina, but that's okay, we were from the beginning like that, so that that is so common.

E

It's not it's I, don't know how to solve that for the moment, but have that in mind maybe make it more flexible, because then people will go away and that's me yes,.

H

For sure, so that's good feedback. Thank you.

A

Thank You Olga any scene else. Anyone else ok good, so you indeed used more than 60 minutes. Thank you, but you know I mean this shows the interest and the good progress we have made so on I'm. Looking forward to seeing that the plan for 2020 tomorrow well to see in the presentation the plan we have already seen it, but anyway thanks a lot. Ok, so moving to the to the next point, which is point number 12 on the agenda, and these relates today to the sale of PIR.

A

So, as you know, we announced it, you know. No, you don't have to I mean this is a public session. Yeah no Blaine was pointing if he needs to live or not because he here accuses himself from from vir related on discussions, but no. This is the open session and the Q&A. So this you, you should absolutely stay so so, as I said, we had a press release and to the community, and then we we have been getting. You know, questions on different main list, different venues and what we were here in the ITF.

A

When you know some trustees were in icon, I'm sure that you will get some questions next week in in DI gf. So so we decided to basically put together a Q&A, so we went out especially to the chapter community because they had a lot of questions and we decided basically to ask openly, like hey guys, send us a list of questions and we will address them here during the the board meeting. So andrew has them.

A

You know, I think a really good job actually being very responsive answer in tone, so female, and so you know many of the questions that basically you know we're asked they have been already answered on the list, but we thought that it was good actually basically to restate the answer so that everybody is on the same page and every everybody understands basically know what's going on and we clear some doubts. Have you said that before I give the floor to Andrew, there's been a few questions that they were not really for I.

A

So to answer right I mean some of them. They were about icon policies specifically about you, know, price cuts, which you know we didn't have anything to do with that others. They were actually for I. So to answer, but not related to the PIR deal. Yes, specifically the government's governance model, for example, we were discussing with Eduardo briefly today so which you know, as you know, I mean like this. You know for for trustees that they are elected by by chapters. For example.

A

That was one of the questions and that doesn't change or is not influenced in any way. So so in that sense, those questions well I mean we can clarify them a bit. They are not directly related to to the PR deal, so so sometimes it gets kind of everything in the same email, but so it is I think it's useful to think of a taxonomy.

A

When you know when things are different and they cannot be addressed in in different ways, we don't mix them up, because then everything gets confused, so I'm gonna I'm gonna give the floor to Andrew so that he addresses the questions that we had and then you know after that, maybe we can. We can expand on anything that any of us thinks it's unclear. Yes, Mike briefly, are we recording.

C

A

Yeah, of course, all right I mean everything all the meetings, the board meeting, the the public day they open to observer sessions. They are in YouTube later so people can go there and watch it. There ya know because we I mean that's a very good point, because we acknowledge that, with the time difference it was very difficult for people to join. That was the reason why, instead of an open forum where we could get, you know, questions directly.

A

We thought it was better to answer a synchronously so that people can post their hands their questions and they don't have to be up until 4 o'clock in the morning. Just to to see this so without further delay. Andrew, please could you please sure.

H

So the first pair of questions came from Dave Burstein and the the first question. So this is assuming that there is a corpus of money that comes in which we're calling the endowment just so that sandy, doesn't um you know, slap my hands again. Strictly speaking, this is not an endowment because it's the proceeds of a sale, and so it's not encumbered the way an endowment normally is I am NOT.

H

A tax lawyer or an accountant and I cannot play one on TV, but we've been calling it an endowment and and I believe that the board has been treating it as though it were encumbered in that way. That has been the conceptual model that people have been working at now with. So um the question, then, is what will be the rules of the endowment in particular?

H

Will it generally disburse endowment income more or less I believe that the policy of this board is that this is going to specify a drawdown over a five year, rolling average or maybe some other number of years, rolling, average um and and that drawdown would, in theory, be below the return that we would like the endowment to to return. The idea of being here, of course, that the endowment can grow over time and that would cover the risks of inflation and so on.

H

So that is the sort of standard and advice that one gets for operating, endowments and I believe that this board is intending to pursue that policy. That is certainly what I have been telling people and.

A

Just to confirm that, um so we haven't passed any resolutions regarding that, but that's exactly the plan we have been discussing and the idea basically is that we will probably know have some of these rules in the bylaws, because this is not something that you know it needs to be changed.

A

So the idea is basically to protect this corpus of money as if it was on an endowment and- and you know the actual rules were whether if it's, if it's a you know, moving average of ten years five years, 5% 7%, those are details that we are obviously working with professional advisors. So so we, you know, we are not working I mean playing. You know a matter, though years or or or investment professionals, or anything like that.

A

So in that sense you know we are getting professional advice and- and we will basically do something that makes sense to protect that and to make sure that we can, you know, continue the operations and everything. So that's indeed the plan, ah the.

H

Nice thing about that is that you've just answered the second question, who will be who will manage the finances of the foundation? So the the fundamental plan here as I understand it is that there is a supporting organization, that's where the money lives and there are professional money managers, probably hired on contract.

H

We currently deal with Goldman Sachs on they have been our investment advisors on the reserves and so on, of the Internet Society, and also where our advisors are on the structure of this transaction, and you know, we've been happy with them, but whether they're it whether that will just continue or whether we would go and RFP for the whole thing or something like that. I think has been undecided so far, and that's one of the things that the board needs to tackle urgently in the next quarter. Yeah.

A

I mean I'm when you said foundation is the new, the new entity, so just to make it clear, because we have been creating actually supporting organizations. Lately, as I said this morning, we created the ITF LLC, we created a foundation and we have been having PIR so far, so the idea would have to with would be to have yet another organization that they will basically not take care of that and, and also I saw some basically questions that, maybe it's good to clarify that this is not completely new for us.

A

So, as you know, I mean we have reserves and we have actually professional people managing the reserves. So it's not like. Now we are just making random decisions that we get into the board and and decide where to invest. We have professional advisors, and it has always been like that. So in that sense, this is not completely running code that we have to run. Of course they they, you know, magnitude is different, but basically it is similar.

H

The next questions came from Richard Hill.

H

The first question from him is: why did the board agree to a nondisclosure agreement with ethos, capital that prevented I saw from one consulting it's constituencies, including the chapters regarding the principle of selling PIR to a for-profit entity and to consulting its constituency's after the deal was negotiated in private but before it was closed, I believe the answers to this are things that I have already said, which amount to the the the Internet Society is not governed as a member organization under the meaning of that in in US law.

H

That is, you don't consult with people.

H

It's a essentially it's a representative body, and we have people who are a point who are appointed to the board by different constituencies, but though, but then they come here with that sort of picture of the world, but they come as a board they're, not here, as you know, sort of elected representatives of a constituency, the the effect of that is that we were operating in under sort of standard commercial rules, because when you negotiate with people over large dollar transactions, generally speaking, people are only willing to do that with you, if you're willing to do it in secret, and so we proceeded that in that way, and that extends to the the you know.

H

Continuing period before this deal closes that we are unbound by the terms of the non-disclosure agreement, because that's what the that's, what the buyer was willing to do.

H

My understanding and I would appreciate to have it confirm is that um everybody agreed that this was in fact advantageous to the Internet Society, that it was better on this way than to try to run it as a public auction, because if you tried to run it as a public auction, it would be highly disruptive to to the business of PIR and potentially fatally disruptive to staff morale there.

H

And it was by no means obvious at the beginning of this of this effort that the transaction would go ahead at all, because it was possible that the number was just never going to happen so that that was my understanding of the situation. Yeah.

A

Exactly and as we said several times, I mean we have been trying to disclose as much as possible. So to answer the question yes, I mean we were basically discussing that we wanted to keep the community as informed as possible, but we had the duty of loyalty, the worse I soak. So we had to make sure exactly that ongoing operations where, where I'm going that you know um employee morale, didn't fall um basically I mean there's certain laws that we cannot break. So you know we were bound to them so yeah I.

A

We were in intending to to open the floor so just to get things be more manageable and is that okay.

A

Yeah I was gonna talk about that so yeah regarding the V. What what Andrew was saying about the different you know, trustees and the governors exactly I mean we have. You know basically, trustees coming from the three different communities and we were discussing here. All of us, you know come with different backgrounds and everybody was basically in the loop except in flame, that he's recused from our discussions, but everyone else face it. He was familiar with this. We were discussing, and in this case actually we were making all decisions unanimously.

A

So in that sense you know we. We were quite confident that we were doing the right thing to close the loop on the last point regarding governance. This was what I was referring to at the beginning, that we got some questions about like people thinking that is unclear. Whether we are a member based organization or or cost-driven I mean it's very clear that we are course treatment organization. This was discussed actually before my time in the board and but actually it was explicitly discussed and when we change the governance.

A

Indeed, as I said this morning, actually the chapters they got more worried in the governance of ISO. So, as you may remember, before there were six members you know chosen by the organization's and I'm. Basically, then it was moved to four four four, which is now they in the current way. So in that sense, it's not that we have never discussed this I mean people are filled, fill to to disagree or agree with the current structure, and we would, you know, decide at some point to change it.

A

But the carbon structure is quite clear: I mean we have this type of governance, and we have you know, chapter people here, people selected by the IDF and people elected by organizations as well, so that hasn't changed in the last few years and it's not changing because of this deal at all and, as I said, I'm very happy to have this discussion separately. The governance, but is not in any way basically tied to this deal just to make it very clear, so I think.

H

That that answers the next question that Richard had, which was what measures with will the board put into place, to ensure that all important decisions are presented to the iStock constituencies, including the chapters for comment before they are taken and I. Think what you have just said is that is neither a requirement nor, in fact, desirable because of the governance structure, that the organization has right.

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A

Knows I mean we have been actually trying to to improve our transparency over the last. You know five years and and I saw some comments on the least regarding you know, board, meetings and everything. So, as you know, I mean these and any other board meeting is actually in YouTube, so everything in all the open to our server sessions. They are not only broadcast in real-time, but they are also stored and available in YouTube. So people can go there watch them.

A

The minutes are, of course you know public and, and you know we are trying to be as transparent as possible. So in that sense, yeah I mean those are the rules that we have and, as I said, I mean we are open to discussing. You know them at any point. If we can improve in you know on any front, but again they are not directly related to to this deal. In particular, they are just generic governance question.

H

Thank you. um The next question came from Christian, but I, don't know what last name and it was hidden because, of course this is on the mailing list. So it's just Christian via chapter delegates on it. It asks. Is the action plan available in draft form or is the intention to draw a graph plans at the board meeting and put it out for consultation into chapters and others to provide structured feedback following organizing local local comments?

H

I believe the answer to this is that it has never been done that way, but instead, normally the action plan is presented to the board as an annual plan that you approve as part of the budget process this year. However, we did in fact develop this the action plan in consultation with the community. That is the feedback that I've provided to this individual already, because I thought it was a staff question, but I wanted to make sure that you were in agreement. Yeah.

A

Absolutely and as I said, I mean we've been always working on on on transparency and in terms of community engagement, and this was one of basically the guidelines that we gave Andrew when he joined that we wanted more at level engagement from our community when we developed the action plan and I.

A

Think this year is a great example of seeing how you know we have been reaching out to the different on communities asking for topics asking for feedback, so in that sense, I think it's it's clearly done in a way that, by the time you know the action plan is presented to the board. Today, I mean all the community have seen it. They have provided feedback, so in that sense, I think this is basically I mean. We have taken many steps in a direction that was suggested by by the by the people on the mailing list.

H

The next question came from Andre or Emily Garcia and it asked: does the Internet Society propose any strategy, especially to educate users, about monetizing their data, I don't and currently have. We do not currently have a specific strategy around that for next year in the staff client. Is this.

A

Related to this particular transaction, it is not it's just one of the questions that I got. Ok I see. Well you just answered. We haven't talked about these, so so I'm not gonna provide a random answer that I Jess come up with. We will discuss it at some point. So thanks for the feedback and let's focus on answering the the questions on topic, the.

H

Next question, which I just got is from Alexander boom who says she claims to be writing on behalf of the Netherlands I stock chapter I. Don't know whether that means this is somebody who is writing on behalf of like there was a vote or not, but I just wanted this that so the the question is: does the board acknowledge that the PIR sale is causing substantial harm to the reputation of the internet society?

H

As the blowback re, the PIR sale from the community surprised the board and there are some URLs that are quoted and does this cause them to reconsider their position? I think would be inappropriate for me to comment on that. Exactly.

A

So so, just to I mean reiterate that I mean we will discuss. You know the potential implication Saudi sale and we we thought about. You know, basically all the all the questions that we have. We have seen on the list, so so just you know, the community can rest assured that we analyzed this thoroughly and another point that they have been brought up. We were basically discussing them. We we basically took a lot from different perspectives and- and we decided that you know all in all again, we have a duty of loyalty to the organization.

A

This was the best move. um We all would like to take decisions that they are all maximizing or minimizing something those are easy right, so the more or something or they're less or something is better. They are trade-offs and we are aware that you know any decision that, like this one, they have trade-offs. But all you know we decided that this was actually quite positive for the Internet Society.

A

We are basically meeting goals in terms of revenue, diversification that we have been working on them since many many years, and we think that you know the deal was positive. We thought about those things and- and you know, I haven't seen basically arguments on the list in the last few days. That I would have said we didn't consider so I didn't see any big surprises so which is good because you know um I think as I said, we did a thorough analysis, but I mean you can always miss something.

A

I, don't think it's been decay so far, so I guess these these answers question and.

H

The final question that is here when did the board become aware of former ICANN CEO Fadi Shehadeh being involved in ethos capital, and did this or would this have caught, have influenced their view on the PIR sale, just to be clear as a point of information, but it's not contained in this question. Fadi Shahada is not strictly speaking involved in ethos capital. He has working for them as an advisor and not actually as one of the principles, but with that said, I don't know whether you want to tackle this question. Yeah.

A

I mean I mean like we got basically I mean we talked to several people and, as you have seen, you know some some of the founding fathers of the internet. They were also, basically, um you know, quoted in our press release expressing your support, so so, in that sense, I think you know we consulted with everyone.

A

We had to consult in that sense, I mean even the legal constraints, as I said before and and again I mean based on on the you know, duty of loyalty, I, don't think it would be actually I mean sensible for us to censor certain individuals um because of you know any any opinion you may have positive or negative um on them if this, if it is not material to the deal, so in that sense, you know having fattie been an advice, advisor I, don't think it's a reason for, for just you know not going ahead so so in that sense, I think.

H

Those are all the questions that.

A

I received okay, so basically, as I said, um we will continue on certain questions. um I hope that you know the answers were clear, because this, this type of channel provides a bit more bandwidth than just answering emails and I was trying to think I think we capture everything. um Eduardo was asking this morning about governance. We dealt with that. Another common theme, as I said also, was the price cuts, their removal of the price caps and again this was not our decision.

A

This is not anything we asked for and as far as I can tell it's kind of widely applicable to to anyone. So in that sense you know that's again not directly related to to this deal, and we cannot comment on that either. So I think with that again, we will continue receiving comments discussing on the list and- and you know you know how to reach us- and we have been trying to have.

A

You know Andrew, basically be the focal point of this, so that there's no confusion, but you know, of course, that just to clarify in case, if what it wasn't clear andrew has our full support from the board and on the board is obviously you know involved in these decisions and I know. As I said so far, we have been making all decisions regarding to this deal unanimously, which you know shows actually that we are, on the same page at least a the trustees perfect, okay, good.

A

So that, basically concludes this point, and just to reiterate, you know, if you have further questions, don't hesitate to reach out to us on ask on the list and we will you know, be basically their response it for you. Thank you so now moving moving ahead to number 13 on the agenda, point 13 um Kevin! Do we have a vanilla? Yes, yes, okay, perfect, so so, just to give you a bit of background on this presentation. So, as you know, we we always invite.

A

You know the local chapter or the regional bureau or someone that you know can basically come and talk to us. But, as you know, I mean we, we came here not long ago, I think two years ago, two years ago, yeah- and so we already talked actually today to the Singapore chapter, and that was a very interesting presentation. As you know, we just finished the round of talking to all our regional bureaus.

A

So we didn't want to start another round if, if we could have something new to be presented and and something I was discussing with the board was that you know the the six, the the special interest group. You know we we had a presentation in the last board meeting and we thought that it would be actually nice to see another presentation to understand.

A

You know what we are doing with with that, because we usually talk a lot about chapters and organizations and everything in at board meetings, but something that we also have are the six and I think is kind of interesting to understand what they do. So so vanilla is joining us to to talk about the sig. Can you hear me.

D

Yes, I can okay.

A

We can assure you as well so please go ahead. I'm thanks for joining and.

D

Thank you very much for the invitation I'm delighted to be able to speak to you and and and during the board today, early in Berlin, and so thank you very much for this timeslot. It was a lot better than the previous one and I must send apologist from precedent, Mohamed shabbiha on and on secretary jewell of Celestine, who would have liked to participated in this call, but actually in the air at the moment. So I'm speaking on behalf of the executive committee next slide, please and the vision for the accessibility.

D

Special interest group is equal access to the Internet and its features regardless of disability, and this very closely relates to the Internet Society statement that the internet is for everyone, and we know that there are well over 1 billion people globally where the disabilities, so we want to make sure people- disability, just like everyone else- has equal access to the Internet. So our mission is to support activities to improve accessibility to the internet, for people with disability, and we do that in a number of different ways. Next slide, please.

D

First of all, some facts and figures about us we're a very young special interest group. We were founded in 2019, and this came about from the foundation of the chapter on special needs and disability that had been going for quite a while, but it makes a lot of sense to have a special interest group on accessibility because it is global and and we we work across all regions. In fact, our membership is growing strongly and these figures are actually from the internet society's membership data which states 57 members and over 300 pending members.

D

Now that sounds like a large number, but it's it's a bit of a process involved which is might we we might need a bit of fine tuning and we're currently working with staff about that we have our own membership registration forms to learn a little bit more about the people who wish to join us in regards to disability, their experience in accessibility and so forth.

D

So we're working through those issues we're pleased to be what we believe is the first for a cig, a special interest group to have a fiscal sponsorship arrangements, and this is with the New York chapter and and it means that we have a detailed agreement with roles and responsibilities of the New York chapter and the sig, and this means that we can set up a bank account that is a sub-account of the New York chapter and hopefully our had been funding will be available through that arrangement.

D

Our Executive Committee I've mentioned a Muhammad shall be our one as president amber vice president Judith Palestine is a secretary graduate and is treasurer and Jolie. Mcphee is a MS admin, but a lot more than that. Some of us have lived experience of disability. We share legal technical policy and advocacy expertise next slide, please.

D

So our activities in 2019 are bearing in mind that we've just operated over six months include webinars blogs and speakers at various meetings and webcasting next slide please.

D

So this is quite a long list for just over six months. I won't go through them all in detail, but I will highlight some, including the webinar which we held on the 16th of May, its global accessibility, Awareness Day.

D

This was organized by the sig, and a special speaker was Dan York from the Internet Society, and we also were involved with the am enabling summit, which is a global summit organized by g3ict in Washington DC each year and attended by Greg Chase and who spoke about a number of legal matters in regard to accessibility and discrimination. We we know that there are a number of countries internationally who include accessible online accessibility as part of this discrimination legislation.

D

Also, we had a number of blogs or that are on the Internet Society website that you can find there and also wanted to mention.

D

We are linking in with a number of key meetings and organizations like the asia-pacific regional IGF and, of course, the global IGF being held in Berlin or about to start and in regard to the asia-pacific regional IGF, the one held in Vladivostok. We were pleased to have an accessibility plenary session at that and I organized that session and and together with Mohammed, shall be. Our one spoke both remotely at that.

D

We were pleased to have three of our executive committee. Atlee I can 66 meeting in Montreal, Greg Judith and myself. We had an opportunity to meet face to face and also meet with Joyce Tania and and I had other other meetings without us.

D

I can sorry please please bear with me, because I haven't slept very much in the last 24 hours after a long flight from Australia, so we had meetings with hi sock staff, Dan, York and Joyce Tania, and were pleased to participate in the internet society functions during math meeting and the rest of the activities in the interest of time are there for you to read next slide. Please.

D

And the accessibility stick and why it says a11y sig, some of you may not be aware, is the accessibility technical community uses, what's called a Neumann 'm to designate the word accessibility. So you have 11 letters between the a and the y just for your interest, so the accessibility singh has partnered, with the accessibility new york chapter to webcast a number of events about accessibility and it's clear here that accessibility isn't only about web accessibility while that's a vital part.

D

There are many many other aspects and, for example, on August 6 2019 there was an interactive 3d printed models for students with visual impairments.

D

3D is an interesting technology being used now to print business cards with Braille on Braille on both sides of a card. This is the first time that's been possible and we in the accessibility, sig have had business cards printed. That way and and so that's been a very, very interesting process and there, as you can see on the slide, normally I would read through them, but again, I just wanted to indicate the number of different activities in the accessibility and the technical accessibility space next slide.

D

Please and just to add there and some other webcasts the partnership for progress on the digital divide conference in May. The accessibility sig was discussed there at some length and coming up on the 2nd of December. If anyone is interested is the tactile design for accessibility and that's an interactive workshop and I encourage anyone who who would like to delve more into accessibility to participate in that in that workshop next slide. Please now the Internet is for everyone, and and that again is the Internet Society statement.

D

So we have a number of plans for the coming year or two from the accessibility sig, and we have a number of suggestions for the Internet Society and next slide. Please so, there's quite a few here and I I start with a practical one, which is to resolve account, related challenges and streamline funding issues, and- and we would share this with a number of us six in regard to the non-geographic nature of of our organisations and- and we look forward to working with our iStock staff- to to do that and we're participating in before.

A

Before we move on because we discussed this this morning, actually during the previous session, so so I mean- is the challenge that you don't have an account or what? What is the challenge, in particular, okay,.

D

From from our point of view, and not knowing the discussion you had this morning, but we we hope to have all of this sort very soon, with setting up a bank account through that fiscal sponsorship. We have with a New York chapter and it's a sub-account of a New York chapter. So we we need to smooth all that out and what we want to ensure is that we have then any ste flow from the admin fund, and we talk to Joyce about that. So I'm presuming that that will happen. It's that's!

D

That's basically it and also to be clear on the I think the rebadged small grants funding initiative through just to make sure that that's clear how we, how we can work with that as a non geographic chapter or sync thank.

A

D

But I suppose, in regard to other SIG's, they may not have progressed with this, so we hope that that will our arrangement might serve as a model for our six in future.

D

Okay, so just just coming back to the IGF in Berlin, Judith, Palestine, myself and Mohammad shall be our one will be here, we're fortunate to have some unrelated well, where some external funding of various sources to be here and one of the one of the activities is liaising with other related organizations, and that includes the IDF's dynamic coalition on accessibility and disability, and so through that I'm I've been an organizing a workshop and will become moderating that also facilitating a session on behalf of a dynamic coalition on accessibility and disability.

D

Speaking at the main session about dynamic coalition's and speaking on a panel for another workshop, SS muhammad shall be our one. So you can see that we're going to be very busy here at IDF and looking forward to catching up with Internet Society representatives as well.

D

We are looking at also having a workshop proposals for the asia-pacific regional IGF, which will be held in the pool. This is going to be the first time in a regional IGF will be a sign language interpretation, so there will be quite quite useful accessibility built in to the APR RDF and and so we're looking forward to seeing that and working with people with disability and disability representative.

D

That's in the region, we continue doing outreach in a number of various venues, organizations and uncertainly and major disability organizations like a while, a world blind Union to make people aware of the work being done through our sig and in the internet community and to link people up as best as we can.

D

We also are encouraging ccTLDs and gTLDs to raise awareness on web accessibility through the DNS community. This is an excellent way to share information about web accessibility. So when new websites are being set up- or there are revisions to websites and apps using particular domain names, then people can create more accessibility and we are encouraged to say that the New Zealand domain name Commission, will have a a publicity campaign next year, the dot?

D

U s: domain name registry will be blogging and doing some other awareness racing next year, and so we look forward to further work in this area and then we're talking about a number of webinars on digital accessibility challenges and just to be clear for some of you who may not be aware of some accessibility challenges on a website.

D

For example, if a blind person using screen reading software and speech output and they want to scan the important parts of a other web sites, are not able to do so that that mark, that might be because the website has links on it, saying see more read more and there's no context. So it's a matter of where you put those links. It could be on the title of a news item, for example, or it needs to be connected with the context and for people who are therefore significantly hearing-impaired. Having captions on videos is vital.

D

There were just two items that are challenges so organizing a webinar and best practice, accessibility, guidelines, and here linking in with w3c s, maybe accessibility initiative is vital, as many of you would know.

D

W3C have developed the web content, accessibility guidelines, which D, which are used by governments across the world, and also user agent guidelines for accessibility, etc. So making use of a wide variety of resources from w3c will help us to organize the webinar and and also to support our staff and chapters in the use of best practice. Accessibility guidelines I've had some good discussions with the New York and look forward to further discussions with him to to collaborate on how we can best move forwards, and we we look forward to doing more, maybe with IGF 2020.

D

So there's a number of activities next slide, please, and to finish off with suggestions for the internet society.

D

Some of us may may have talked to some of you about this in the past. One of them is to develop and conduct a survey of current accessibility awareness across key areas of us of staff.

D

This means that, for example, we're hiring people to do a be as inclusive as possible when it comes to the experience and expertise of possibly people with disability who may wish to join the internet society and also about how to incorporate accessibility in policy programs and communications so that it's not enough to thought it's something that is is built into the DNA of the Internet Society.

D

So it's really about I stopped walking the talk on accessibility for people, disability, which means accessible websites, accessible online courses, incorporate accessibility and policy programs and communications as I mentioned, and to designate and define a senior-level accessibility champion for persons with disability, so that it's not it's not an afterthought. It's something that's there, so it could be a new program being developed or revised. Are there any impacts on people, disability and accessibility? If not fine? If there is well, let's have someone within the organization with between staff and say the accessibility sig.

D

You can then work forwards on on how to ensure that that inclusiveness is there. So that's that's some suggestions based on from the accessibility Steve on accessibility, but looking at six generally I, we had a talk with Joyce Dona in Montreal about six sharing ideas and any ideas and suggestions with each other.

D

So setting up a sigelei sort of would be a great way to do that, and- and we believe that that may be happening, and also to provide further support for SIG's to enable that enhanced liaison a possible sig leadership me meeting would be really beneficial for us going forward and and and I touched on it before it's it's some of the funding issues, maybe not so much for the accessibility sig, but but for some of the our basics and the status of 6s against chapters.

D

There are some differences and we look forward to working with Internet Society to see where we we can improve that, and we look forward to continuing with the accessibility seek to to continue to improve accessibility across the internet communities. So next slide to say. Thank you very much. Oh excellent.

A

Thank you very much. It's yeah thanks for representation very interesting thanks also for having some practical advice at the end, because it's usually good to basically know. Let's say you know, move from well intentions to things that they could be basically changing practice. So I appreciated that and it's good to see I mean you guys, like six months down the road, because you are a very new new sig, basically so where you are and how you know, you're ramping up attracting members and everything so so that was I'm very exciting.

A

Actually do we have any any questions? Mike just.

C

Very briefly, I have to ask.

C

This is hard, I mean, does it scale without feasible? Was it or was it just proof of concept or I? Have a lot of people in the in the differently-abled community? Would like a note the answer to that question.

D

Okay, I'll be happy to answer that, thank you and if these were actually done in Australia and it seems that Australia might be the first in doing this. 3D printing in for Braille business cards for one sales and cards that was for three members of our executive committee across Australia and $800, which I think in u.s. dollars is about just around five newest.

D

So if you wanted to have the more traditional, Braille and boss cards, certainly it's a very competitive price, and certainly if you're ordering from Australia to the US or other countries, I think it would be a quite competitive.

A

Thank you thanks, interesting Glen, please.

B

Thanks for the presentation, two questions: remember: there used to be a nice on special needs. Chapter right that went into became defunct did any of those those chaps who were involved with provide any sort of assistance to you at all. I don't see them, they might be members but they're, not on your list of officers and the second thing I recall you did a very extensive culture of accessibility for I can a few years ago. Is that similar.

D

B

That you're, looking at.

D

Okay, thanks Glen for your questions, certainly the the the old special needs and disabilities chapter and that retired its.

D

We we didn't necessarily have any transference there. I had been a member of their chapter, probably from its inception, and there was one particular a very reactive senior person in in that chapter called Cynthia Waddell. She was really the guiding light for my chapter. Unfortunately, she died so the the chapter continued on, but the two key people in it really had very limited time based on their other commitments, to continue on the chapter, so it it made sense then, to to move on to the accessibility, SIG's, so I hope that answers your question Glenn.

D

In regard to the second question. Yes, I was involved with, and I can accessibility task force through at large and and and Glenn. You were involved a lot as well in regard to one particular task was to develop a survey for staff and an administer that and the questions covered a wide variety of questions it had to do with age. I had to do with legal, it had to do with programs, the the websites and so forth and the results of a survey. This was probably about three years ago. Maybe four.

D

Was that there was quite a way to go if and.

D

Then may not be use the same words as me, but we we felt there was still a lot of learning to be done by ICANN staff and- and there still is a long way to go so it it.

D

It really is the matter of how we move forwards on this and and I I would really welcome the opportunity for this type of activity to be done with the Internet Society, because it's a starting point, it's a basis to then say: oh okay, these are gaps in knowledge, about accessibility within certain key areas of the internet society.

D

Then how can we move forwards to make that change for inclusion, yeah.

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Clay night I think it does Blaine you.

B

Mentioned I would use different words.

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D

Would be at least diplomatic than me? Thank you.

A

Okay, on that note, thanks a lot.

A

Thanks a lot for joining I'm seriously, though, as I said, I liked, specially the the concrete advice and everything so I'm sure that if you're in touch already with Dan and Joyce and all the team, they will basically, you know, take care of that, and but you know mostly from the board, I mean facts so that we understand you know what's going on and we don't have to be involved in the details. But at least you know it's good to see something like this happening. So thanks and again, thanks for joining I mean we.

A

We know that you know you guys are traveling a lot. This is a like a big effort with the time difference, but we greatly appreciate it. Okay,.

D

Thank you very much have.

J

A good day bye, bye.

A

Okay, good so far for I mean moving on now. We're gonna have a break and then I a closed executive session I'm. Basically, today we will only open the session again to approve the API our budget, so they as usual. The discussion will happen in the executive session. So for for observers and remote of servers, I mean you know. If you are interested in seeing how we pass a resolution, then I mean by all means join again. Otherwise you are off the hook tomorrow.

A

We will be starting at 9 o'clock in the morning and, as I said before, tomorrow is a very interesting day, because you know Andrew will be basically present in the action plan for 2020. We will talking about budgets and everything, and then we will also have the foundation meeting. So so that's that's also interesting, so that will happen tomorrow. So thanks a lot. Thank you.

A

We, whether we were in the executive session, we discussed the PIR budget as usual and and then you know, we come back online in the open to basically approve approve the new budget proposal. So so we are on I, mean point number 17 on the agenda and I would like to open the mic to anyone who has comments before we go into approving the resolution.

A

Okay, perfect, so I need someone to move so Mike moves all the seconds and, as any I mean our tradition is like any decision that has financial implications. We do it by roll call, so I will be calling everyone well, no, as a matter of fact, we're gonna start with Mike going in this direction, so you have to say your name and your vote and the vote can be yes no or abstain. So we will start with Mike and go this direction so Mike. Please start.

A

The Mike Mike use the mic I'm.

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Mike I bow yes, I'm, Glenn and I'm abstain.

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That provokes yes,.

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Votes? Yes, richard votes, yes,.

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Yes, hands: Peter! Yes, yes,.

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So the resolution passes with 11 votes four and one abstention.

A

Okay, thank you. So that concludes our agenda. For, for today, do we have any other business before we recess okay, good. So tomorrow we will be starting at nine o'clock local time we are in Singapore. So if we have any remote attendees, please join then otherwise you can watch these afterwards. We will upload it to YouTube as usual, so I move to recess, see you tomorrow.