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Internet Society Q1Community Forum 2016 - January 27 2016

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Opening Remarks
00:00 Introduction - Ted Mooney
00:23 Welcome: 2016 the year of Member action - Kathy Brown
05:57 The two big campaigns of 2016 - James Wood

Connecting the Unconnected
16:29 Introduction by Raul Echeberria
25:05 Comments - Sally Wentworth
28:06 Comments - Olaf Kaufman
31:09 Comments - Arsene Tungali
32:53 Fiber in Burundi - Coppens Pasteur Ndayiragije
34:03 AXIS Project Update - Raul Echeberria, Dawit Bekele
38:34 ISOC Outreach - John Laprise, Sally Wentworth, James Wood
43:40 Wireless for Communities - Raul Echeberria
46:09 Comments - Organization Members Advisory Council - Scott Mansfield, Cheryl Miller, Christoph Steck
53:08 Comments - Chapters Advisory Council - Avri Doria, Richard Hill
58:07 Response - Raul Echeberria

Restoring and building trust in the Internet
59:20 Introduction - Olaf Kaufman
1:05:01 Comments - Sally Wentworth
1:08:45 Comments - Raul Echeberria
1:10:43 Regulatory environment - Olaf Kaufman
1:12:43 Necessary & proportionate - Richard Hill,
1:15:07 Tradeoffs - Nick Ashton-Hart, Olaf Kaufman
1:20:44 Access & Speech in India - Dr. Shahid Siddiqui
1:23:44 Response - Sally Wentworth
1:24:58 Comments - Chapters Advisory Council - Avri Doria
1:26:12 Comments - Organization Members Advisory Council - Scott Mansfield, Cheryl Miller, Christoph Steck
1:29:45 Response - Olaf Kaufman

Future Scenarios Project
1:31:37 Introduction - Sally Wentworth

Concluding Remarks
1:33:45 Kathy Brown

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CONTACT
Ted Mooney - mooney@isoc.org

ABOUT THE INTERNET SOCIETY
The Internet Society is an independent international nonprofit organisation founded in 1992 to provide leadership in Internet related standards, education, and policy around the world.
http://internetsociety.org

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The senior director for community services.

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Here at the internet society- and I would like to welcome you all this morning., so thank you all very much for.

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Joining us this morning., I see that at this point we.

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Have over 100 participants, and I'm very gratified by.

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That. at this point, what I'd like to do is turn it over to our chief executive, officer,, kathy brown.

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To you, wherever.

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You're coming from., I am noting in the box that we have.

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Over 100 people from almost every continent in the.

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World. I find this day when we get to talk with you.

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One of the most exciting days of at least my year., thank you.

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For being here. first, I want to say happy new year.

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I can't hardly believe it's going be february,. I feel like.

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We're still in let's go,, let's go mood for the new year.

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Importantly, in the new year, we wanted to speak.

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Directly with you and hear directly, the activities,.

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The concerns,, the urgent issues that are happening.

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In your worlds. that'll be the structure of this chat with.

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You. I'm going to have sally, since she was so effective. Last.

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Time in making sure you all got to speak, to moderate the.

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Conversation with olaf and raul and others who are here.

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To join this call., I wanted to just say thank you to you also for the.

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Work that our members and chapters and organizations.

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Have done over the last year., it was a very impactful year for the internet society.. We were involved.

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Together in what has been in essence, [indiscernible] to me,.

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And involved together in some enormously important governmental.

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Struggles and processes. we have been involved together also in many.

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Technical conversations in the form of our work out in.

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The regions. and I know that raul will discuss that as.

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Well. and at the ietf we had,, the number is 21 ambassadors.

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To the ietf, this year,, taken from the regions from.

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Around the world., as you know, from the annual report.

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Or the annual message to the community,, we have a plan.

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This year, that concentrates very specifically on the need to.

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Connect the unconnected around the world and to address the trust and security issues.. I am firmly of the belief that if we don't.

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Tackle these two big issues,, the next phase of the.

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Internet will look very different from the principled.

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Vision that we have for ensuring that everyone everywhere.

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Has access to a trusted internet. to a globally.

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Connected, open, trusted internet.

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If we stay with that mission, all of us together,, we know there is work we have to do.. There is specific work we have to do around these two issues., so that is our focus here in the staff part of the.

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Internet society., we know that there are urgent issues.

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For chapters in their regions and in their countries.

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That we would like to hear about as well to support., and we also know that our organizational members have some.

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Policy issues that are really on their mind as they seek to.

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Remain, frankly, global operators, providers and.

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Content providers of the internet around the world., so today's the day to have that conversation as we.

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Start the new year., I'm delighted that you are all here with us.. I want to thank you again for your presence at the wsis.. We had fabulous help from you there. for the policy papers that you all.

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Helped to get us ready for last year,. I think we put.

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Ten out., I believe we have three more now coming and we need your input for those. and for the regional.

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Igfs, without you, there wouldn't be., and we see that.

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As a hugely important part of your movement,, if you.

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Will, to make sure we have involved our grass roots,.

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Our bottom-up process, in insuring there is a globally.

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Connected, open, trusted secure internet. with that. I'm going to turn this over to sally, to give us an overview of where we're going and.

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I look forward to hearing from you.

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said my job here is to keep us on time.

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And also to make sure that we get a chance to hear from a you will of you., I see.

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Now 140 people on this call from around the world.

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I just listed or looked at... togo, tunisia, chad,.

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Guatemala, snowy canada, and the congo among others.

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I know geneva is on and many others. thank you all for joining.

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This is tremendous.. What we want to do is give you, as kathy said.

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An overview of where we're going for this year and get your... get the conversation going that we.

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Hope will continue throughout the year as we embark.

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On a very ambitious agenda.

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So my first task is to turn to james wood,, who's.

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Going to... our director of communications and he is going to give us the overall direction for the.

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Campaigns and the brand and try to get into your minds how all these.

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Things tie together. james, over to you.

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you to kathy as.

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Well., it's nice to see so many of you in cyber space,.

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140 or so people seems like a very respectable turn out.

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Focus again, connecting the unconnected and building trust.. We really began to do more around these themes.

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In a concerted way earlier on last year, and certainly.

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At igf, where a lot of our messaging and activity really.

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Came together., I think, together these themes reflect.

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Our deep-seated belief that the internet is a fundamental tool for empowerment in the 21st century and that it will be the catalyst for positive change in people's lives through the creation of social and economic opportunity.. That opportunity also transposes itself to an.

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Opportunity for us., we have an opportunity this year.

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And in subsequent years to forge the internet's future and, as kathy has pointed out,,.

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To connect billions, or the next billions, to a globally connected,.

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Open, trusted internet. before I get to the campaigns which sally.

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Has referenced, I did just want to take a few.

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Minutes just to talk about some of the core characteristics of our work, this year.. We obviously have this opportunity.

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To shape the debate around access and around trust.

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We're looking to create that impact by collaborating,.

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By coordinating, and cooperating in more efficient.

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Way and in a more effective way., what we're doing through our plan,, our action, plan, and, of course, the campaigns.

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That amplify our work around the organization is.

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Integrating for impact. that means we're taking an integrated.

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Approach to our work,, where we'll look to intersect our project activity across departments as much as possible and wherever it makes sense to do so, so that we continue to work together to common.

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Objectives., so our collective efforts are really going.

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To feed into our strategic objective and everyone in the.

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Organization and within the community will really own a piece of this and play a role.. So as we align, the.

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Community will be involved in a number of levels,. We hope to engage you on several things, and really your.

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Effect on our work will be to help make us more relevant around the world,, define us [indiscernible] better,.

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And demonstrate the impact of our work. secondly,, also in reference to sally's.

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Introduction,, I did just want to put some of the identity.

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Work in context, and to reinforce the crucial role of that.

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In the scope of the plan,, our action plan and with our.

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Campaigns., it really is our defining framework for our.

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Activity this year., as you know, we're focusing on our.

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Identity to help us speak with a stronger voice,, become.

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More visible, and be better known. we've already come a.

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Very long way in one year, one year ago, almost to the day, in.

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Drawing our organizational dna to reassert our beliefs.

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About the internet, society, about our purpose, and about who we are as a community. when now, at this point in the life cycle.

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Of our identity, work, in the process of applying.

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These beliefs to our work, and we're seeing how key elements.

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Of that reenergized or renewed identity, which we brought.

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To the surface are helping to steer how we speak,.

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How we act, and how we look.

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so identity is really what is binding and.

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Connecting our work and is keeping us focused.

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On our mission, and, of course, that hasn't changed, that is constant, nd as a reminder,, it's to promote.

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The open, development, evolution and use of the internet.

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For the benefit of all people throughout the world., in the context of 2016,, our identity work is the.

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Engine that is powering what we do in those two areas.

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It's guiding and informing how we go about telling our.

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Access and trust story., it's giving us the confidence to act..

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It's helping us to be recognized as a beacon for progress.

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In those areas, and it's helping us determine the actions that we want to see.

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As well. and at this point I'll give you a real example.

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Of what I mean by that., some of you may have seen it in the flesh, as it.

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Were,, some of you may have heard about it., but I'd.

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Like to just draw your attention to the advertising.

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Activity that we undertook around the wsis+10.

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Review meeting in new york last month, in december.

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The catalyst, and engine for that, was our identity. Work.

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The result of that activity was that we had, I think, a very.

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Impressive set of digital display and print ads in prominent.

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Locations including john f kennedy airport in new york.

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We also had some advertising up in washington, dulles.

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Airport. we had print ads in the wall street journal, in.

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The new york times,, coinciding with the un general assembly,.

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Review meeting. and combined with our media exposure in a.

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Number of prominent outlets, kathy was interviewed.

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Live on bloombergtv,, we had coverage in forbes,.

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We had an opinion piece in usa today, as well as kathy's.

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Physical presence in the un general assembly itself,.

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Meant that we really, really made an impression. the identity work that we're driving, is really behind.

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That, as the pillar, of representing the pillar of our.

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Beliefs. so,, as we strengthen our identity further,, there is going to be more opportunity to maximize our reach, visibility, and influence in that way,, including.

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Around access and trust., so that brings me on to the campaigns. and simply.

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Speaking,, the campaigns are communications campaigns.

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Around access and trust, and they are a vehicle.- they.

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Are merely a way to tell our story. they allow us to.

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Keep our focus on these themes and they're made up of.

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All the various pieces that we touch from a.

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Communications perspective across the year., so they help to inform and guide our presence at external.

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Events for example, across the many speaking.

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Engagements we have throughout the year, through our flagship.

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Outputs, reports,, such as the global internet, report, and.

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Our whole ecosystem of content, production and outputs,.

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Including blogs, articles,, specially created materials.

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It goes to the news that we announce, our media.

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Relations work,, our social media, engagement, and.

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Increasingly,, as I have mentioned, advertising.

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So our campaigns are defined by all of those.

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Components., we have two campaigns that map to our two.

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Themes. the first of these is our internet changes, everything campaign,, which is designed to promote and.

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Increase the availability of affordable,, reliable.

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Access to an open, internet. and through that.

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Campaign, we really have the opportunity to show that.

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The availability of infrastructure is not necessarily the only driver for getting people connected.. It's.

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What the internet enables them to do that matters.

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We can show the positive impact that the internet can have on people's lives, and in so doing we can tell a more human story. in short,. We can.

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Shine a light on the internet of opportunity.

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That campaign also has a natural affinity with our.

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Continued focus on women in technology, and promoting.

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The voice of women in the future of the internet. at a.

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Tactical level, we're using as many opportunities as we.

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Can to thread our access story across the year through.

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Multiple touch points., to give you an idea,, they.

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Include the mobile world congress, a mobile industry.

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Exhibition,, which iscoming up in february., we will be.

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Present there at ministerial level talking about.

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Barriers to access, and women in technology. they.

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Include icann events., the icann55 event in marrakech.

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Actually coincides with international women's day., so our.

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Isoc@Icann event will have a women's theme that underpins.

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It, and we'll be doing some activities around that..

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It goes to events like rightscon,, where access.

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And human rights converge. also some regional.

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Events, africa, internet summit, for example., of course,.

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Our second intercommunity event later this year,.

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And inet conferences as well. so,, those are just some.

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Of the opportunities where we hope to have an impact and move the thinking on access through our campaigns..

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The second of our campaigns is building trust in.

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The internet, designed to encourage actions that build.

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Belief and trust in the internet as a secure platform.

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For open innovation., our trust-based campaign is there.

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To tackle the issues of the moment., it's focused quite heavily on internet security as an extension of the.

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Collaborative security model in thinking, that olaf and.

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Sally pioneered successfully last year,, and it's really.

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There to tackle issues that fall out of the trust.

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Question, including cybercrime, privacy,, encryption.

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So we can really move perceptions on illustrating.

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The problem and mapping out solutions. again, a number.

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Of touch points there..., some of them are the same as our access, campaign, mobile world, congress,, african internet.

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Summit..., but there are other opportunities too, where we can make an impact,, including the oecd ministerial meeting.

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Later in the year, igf, and the global internet report that.

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This year will incorporate the strong trust, theme.

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But, of course,, there are many more ways to promote our thinking, and to expand on our projects and activities.

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Further, and to elaborate on how they are interconnected this year, I'm going to turn.

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To raul, to give you a more in-depth look at development.

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Raul?, thank you very much james.. I'm very glad.

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To have the opportunity to speak to all of you., we have.

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At this moment, more than 160 locations, connected,.

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Probably more participants than that, because some places.

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There are more than one people. that is very exciting.

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Having the opportunity to be in communication with all.

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Of you., as you know, the development and connecting.

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The connected is one of the priorities for the.

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Internet society, has been one of the priorities last year, and continues being one of the prorities for 2016.

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We have designed a strategy that is based on four.

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Pillars that we have already talked about., I will go over.

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Very quickly, through those pillars, as some of the.

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Things that we will be doing in 2016., one of the pillars is the availability of.

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Infrastructure., you know that we will continue doing the.

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Work that we do usually with the african connection.

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Supporting, building forums,, probably promoting.

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Together with other stakeholders, the creation of new.

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Peering forums in regions where we don't have today, these.

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Kinds of activities. we have been very successful in.

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That in 2015, supporting the lac, peering forum,, the caribbean.

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Peering forum, and also organizing the african peering.

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Forum that this year,, the past year, accounted with more.

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Than 260 participants, being really an incredible forum.

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For having all the community together,, the african operators.

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And the content, providers, and big companies from.

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Outside of the african region, coming to renegotiate with the, peering with the african operators., we will continue doing that.. We will continue promoting ixps.. At this moment, we can say that we have been involved with an incredible number of.

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The existing ixps in different regions, and we are working in eurasia,, central europe,, central asia,.

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Besides the middle east, beside the world., it's well-known that we have already done.

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Work in latin america and africa on ixps., this.

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Is an incredible work, because it's not only the opportunity to create new ixps, but also with building.

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Partnerships with other stakeholders,, global, and regional.

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And local stakeholders that, and with this showing.

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Effort,, we can really make a difference and introduce.

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Changes in the way that the internet works in different.

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Places. one of our other projects for this year is the globalization of our wireless for communities.

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Program that has been so far focused on asia.

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We have connected a lot of isolated villages.

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In different countries, in pakistan,, india,, nepal, by ourselves., and also supporting existing programs by other organizations.

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We are globalizing this program and we will see.

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Efforts, similar efforts in all the regions in 2016.

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This is a very incredible project because it's.

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Fascinating, because it is not only developing infrastructure but also developing the communities, working with the.

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Communities on how technology can improve their lives.

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So it's going through all the pillars that compose our.

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Strategy., the second pillar is the building capacities.

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And developing new leaders. we'll continue with.

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Our learning efforts. more focused. trying to.

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Align our learning efforts to our priorities and establishing.

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Objectives. and also we will continue with the.

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Excellent work that our team has done so far in developing.

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New leaders. with the next generation leader program that is very popular,, but not only with that.. In 2015, we had an.

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Opportunity to develop with other partners, to work in a.

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Youth program on internet governance that has been very successful., we will continue.

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Working on that direction in 2016., the third pillar is building communities.

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One of the most outstanding projects in this area.

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Is beyond the net., that is the opportunity not only to empower communities, working with the communities.

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In finding ways to use the technology for fitting their real.

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Needs,, but also developing projects that can be used.

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As examples for other communities to show how the technology can change their lives. beyond the net is.

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A program that is a,, we supported an incredible number of.

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Persons in 2015., we have already committed hundreds of thousands.

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Of dollars in the projects that we are supporting., we will.

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Continue with these projects, which are focused in chapters.,.

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So it's important in both aspects because.

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It's a way to reach the communities,, to empower the communities, to show how the technology can be used for improving the way that they live,, but also to give tools for.

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Our chapters for being relevant in their communities. and so.

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It's the chapters act as the component of the internet.

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Society,, that is involved in the real, in the local.

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Environments,, and so they really know what is important for.

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The local communities. and speaking about chapters,- and I will just.

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In between brackets., the chapters are very.

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Important for expanding the regional internet.

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Society work.: we are a small organization.

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Of less than 100 people,, and so the chapters and our members.

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Have been important for increasing the impact of the.

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Work of the internet society.. We are working a lot on.

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The..., I think I can say that we have changed in the.

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Last couple of years, the way that the chapters interact.

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With the rest of the organization., in the last two years, we have organized 11 chapter workshops for developing.

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Capacities,, this experience has been very successful.

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But we're changing that now to a different, different.

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Initiatives. we are launching in 2016 an initiative,.

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An e-learning initiative for supporting the chapters,, the functioning of the chapters..

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We will be organizing meetings with the chapters in every.

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Region, but at meetings that we call advocacy meetings,.

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For discussion of specific topics, for involving the.

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Discussion of specific topics that are of importance for the whole internet society.. We have now the chapter advisory, council,.

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The steering committee. there is a new vehicle for strengthening the work between the chapters and the.

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Other components,, the other members, and the staff, and the board of the internet society.. So I think that the.

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Chapters will continue increasing their importance,, their relevance, within the internet, society organization.

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And the last pillar is increasing our ability.

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To influence the public policy debate., and for that I.

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Think the main initiative,, the main [indiscernible] is that we will organize some regional conferences,, focusing on.

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The debate about the development and policies around.

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Development, trying to bring together different agencies.

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And organizations working on the topic, that are currently.

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Working in an [indiscernible] manner., the other initiative- that is the serious [indiscernible] study and report that we will be producing in 2016.

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Trying to inform the process of policymaking., I would like.

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To defer to sally to add some comments., the policy,, the public.

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Policy perspective. so sally, please?.

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Thanks, raul and I'll be very quick because I'd love to get to the discussion.. So I hope all of you are thinking of comments or questions that you would like.

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To make as part of the discussion. of course, the ability to access the internet,.

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There's a role for public policy and whether one can do that or not. whether costs of access is affordable or.

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Not. so from my perspective, one of our objectives in.

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This goal of connecting the next billion, is to ensure.

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That the policy, policies are in place that facilitate.

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Access and don't act as barriers to access. so around.

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The world you will have seen in the past, we've done a number of reports related to barriers to connectivity,.

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And we will be continuing that., particularly this year, we're going to focus on small island developing states and see if we can learn lessons between the regions.

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On this particular issue. in addition, the notion of landlocked countries.

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what are the specific and different conditions that they face when they are dealing with how to.

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Get access and reliant upon their geographic neighbors.

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There's also of course, there's the supply side,. How.

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Do we get more infrastructure into countries and how do we do it in a way that is affordable and open and interoperable.

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And all those things that isoc stands for.. In addition, we have to look at the demand.

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Side. we're starting to observe in some countries that.

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Even when the access is available,, there isn't the takeup.

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That we would like to see, snd, so we're looking at issues of local content, again affordability,. What does the.

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Submarine cable market look like in certain places.

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So all of these policy factors contribute to the overall environment.

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For access to the internet in countries. and finally,, I think many of you would have.

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Observed if you were following the world summit on the information society last year,, that a lot of the debate remains focused on connectivity and.

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Access, that people who aren't enjoying the benefits of.

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The internet want a voice on how the internet is governed.

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Going forward and how they can participate.

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So there is a big aspect of our internet governance work that is tied to our.

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Development agenda in this regard., so we will continue to.

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Build on the sustainable development goals that were developed last year and incorporate that into our.

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Work on internet governance at the multilateral level.

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Either globally or regionally., so that is a snapshot of the policy and the.

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Development work related to access.. I think then I,, oh.

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I'm supposed to turn to olaf very quickly on the technology.

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Piece of access and I'd like to open it up for.

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Questions and comments? right, hello,: this is olaf from amsterdam.

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And I would almost say, sunny and warm amsterdam.

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The support that we try to give from a technology perspective is that.

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While building out that access,, the core infrastructure relies.

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A lot on local communities, on the community spirit.

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That comes with the internet.. Our work is mainly.

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In supporting the build out of nogs,, the network.

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Operator groups, supporting the information that helps technologists.

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To do internet connectivity in the right way.

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We do that through our bcop program.. We do that through.

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Our ion program, and our deploy360 programs.

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That is one aspect of technology, helping to support.

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The access agenda, community building.- I would.

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Also put in this, our support for building.

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Community with respect to the mindset of open.

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Standards, development, where we try to.... I.

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Would say: bring the world to the ietf and bring the.

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Ietf to the world. this year is a landmark in that sense.

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In my top left hand corner, I believe I see christian o'flaherty from the lac region.. The ietf will be going.

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To latin america for the first time., I think that is.

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Very important.: it's an example of how a local, a local community.

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Has developed itself and showed an interest in.

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The ietf, whereby the ietf also showed an interest in.

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That local community., I think, that's a very important.

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Example and one of the things that we're undertaking in.

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The coming year is to see if we can replicate this in.

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Other regions,, specifically in africa.,.

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So a long-term agenda to get more involvement between.

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Those communities. and get... build a local community.

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That is sort of where I want to stop talking, because I.

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Want to provide the opportunity for q and a. so back.

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To sally. a lot of.

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Questions that I'm seeing in the chat and ted, if there.

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Are others that you see that I miss, please, of course,.

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Let me know., I apologize in advance if I don't get the.

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Names completely correct., we have a very big and.

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Diverse audience, here. arsene offered to give us insight.

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In her,, in his experience with the leaders, program.

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Arsene, are you willing and able to speak?.

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I would like to comment.

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The work isoc is doing for the nextgen program, there's a.

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Lot of indian people interested in ig that we are.

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Supposed to be able to. my experience with the igf in.

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Brazil, as an isoc ambassador, was very valuable because.

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It help me not only be a part of the discussion, but also.

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Learn live from experts, all those people who are,, who are.

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Working in ig matters., it's always good being, following.

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Events remotely, or participating online,, but.

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When you are able to go first, I mean to be. There live.

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And physically into meetings, it helps you get a different sense of what the.

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Igf is, and helping you to get more engaged in the work.

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So, thank you so much to isoc for the nextgen program.

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Thank you. much for that.

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It's one of our flagship programs, we're immensely proud.

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Of it., we hope you can take that good experience and.

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Replicate it in your own country., I saw a comment coppins, from london. hello.

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You've had some comments in the chat about your experience in burundi and deploying broadband and some of the other challenges that you're experiencing.. That might be an interesting food for thought. For the rest of the group.- are you able to speak?.

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Okay. go ahead.

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Thanks to world bank,, we have deployed around 1,250km.

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Of fiber optic, and now we're on the way to deploying another.

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4,000. and you understand, when you consider the state.

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Of burundi,, the density of fiber in burundi will be.

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Very high in africa., the other thing I was talking.

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About, the challenges and issues for connecting.

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The unconnected areas was about energy and.

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Electricity in africa. another thing was to deploy enough.

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Fiber optic in rural areas.

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And with that,, if you can deploy some more community.

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In local communities will be very important., that is my.

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Comment. thank you. and I'm leaving,, as my country is in some program and I have to go back home.. Thank.

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You. coppens., it's great to hear from you.

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There was a question and maybe, raul,. This is to.

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You or if dawit, is available. question on the progress.

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Of the access partnership project in africa as related.

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Echenerria]Let me say something sally.

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And I will de-refer to our african colleagues.

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The axis project has been much more than just.

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Building ixps, and we have been providing.

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Training, developing capacities in different aspects,.

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So it has been a very comprehensive process. but, in terms of ixps in africa.

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I understand that there is at the moment around.

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33 ixps in the continent, and we have been.

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Involved with,, the internet society has been involved, with,, always in partnership with other organizations, local, regional, and global organizations..

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We have been involved with 20 of them. so, in the last.

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Few years,, we have done really a good job in this aspect.

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And together with other things like the african.

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Peering forum that I mentioned before,, we have contributed to change this situation in the traffic exchange.

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Within africa. in august last year, I heard from our.

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Colleagues from the african team of the internet, society that,.

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At that moment,, the traffic that stayed within africa.

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Was about 160 gigabits., we departed from a situation.

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7 years ago, when we started to work on ixps in the region,, a situation.

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Where almost zero was the traffic exchange within africa.

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So the change has been very huge., but besides that, I was thinking. Could what.

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Does 160 gigabits mean?, it's a huge amount,. It's no.

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How to express that, in a more tangible way? with.

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The help of our technical colleagues,, we realized that.

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If we could show that another way, saying it is almost.

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Equivalent to 1 million movies per day. so, when we say.

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That's the number in that way,, it's really huge.. It is.

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Creating a huge impact in the local communities, in the ability to develop new business in africa, and also in.

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The prices for access. this is the situation. and the answer.

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To the question is, yes,, there are still some countries that don't have ixps in africa. we're working with.

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Some of them, but the achievements so far has been.

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Great. I would like to defer to the african colleagues,.

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Dawit,, if you are there to add something to that.

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And I can come back later and answer other questions?.

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I

To what raul said., we have been in 30 countries around.

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Africa under the axis project. that project is almost.

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Completed,, at least that period where we are involved,.

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But we are going to go to two additional countries. This.

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Year,, the central african republic and guinea equatoriale,.

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Equatorial guinea. but, outside axis we have too many.

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Projects in capacity building. so, we have been to zimbabwe.

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And we will go to other countries as well., we'll continue.

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To help ixps that need expertise,, and we are also going to.

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Continue to give equipment, wherever is needed and make sure.

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They get all the support they need. so,. If you are in a.

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Country that requires kind of support., just e-mail, me,,.

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Talk to us and we'll try to find some way to help you.

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I hope everyone heard there is a lot of progress on the axis project. and.

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If you want to know more, I know dawit would be thrilled.

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To answer any further questions. I apologize, the chat is.

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Going crazy, which is wonderful, but I'm trying to keep up.

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John had a couple questions I think about communication,.

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If we're going to... one line I caught is, if we're going to reach the next billion,, do they know who the internet society is? and do our chapters have the.

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Capacity to reach the folks in their communities in.

C

Terms of communications and outreach? john,, I hope I'm not totally mis-paraphrasing your question.. Do you want.

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To add anything to what I just said?.

J

Is that, I just typed this in, as you know,. If we look at.

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The number of current, of isoc current membership versus.

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Number of internet users globally,. That ratio needs to be much.

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Higher., if we're going to be able to have the kind of.

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Broad-Based public outreach that we want to achieve our.

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Goals, we have to get people on board who have never participated.

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In something like this.- and I know from building.

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Chapters in other parts of the world that it's hard, and.

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We don't always have the tools to do that,, but it's.

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Essential if isoc is going to be able to achieve its.

J

C

Speaking to the converted here., I couldn't agree with.

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You more., I would say, you know, as of this year. I think.

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We have 113 chapters at the end of 2015,, which is.

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Wonderful, and we've seen several more come online, even in.

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The last month. 80,000 members., it's really in all of our.

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Hands to make sure that we bring more people into this.

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Community that can do what john is talking about.. It's.

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A new way of working, a new set of tools,, but I think,.

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John, you're absolutely correct.

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in,. We have 80,000 members.

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I'm not so concern about the chapters.. If we have 80,000.

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Members and facebook has 1.5 regular billion users,.

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That's a problem.

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Long way to go.

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Is we've been around longer than facebook has.? We shouldn't be in the position that we're in now. we're playing.

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Catch up. want to weigh.

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In,, do you have comments on this in terms of the campaigns.

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And communication strategy? [james wood], just briefly,, as you pointed.

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Out sally, to john's question,, to a certain extent, you're.

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Preaching to the converted here., I couldn't agree more with you.. I have mentioned in the chat, everything we're.

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Doing from a communications perspective is to be.

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More outward looking. we're not going to achieve that broad.

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Base or that sense of appealing to a much larger group.

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Of people or community, when,, more of those billions.

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Of users around the world,, if we only talk to ourselves., we need to take our work and amplify it in.

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The right places to attract more people to our cause,.

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To join us in promoting and reflecting our thinking in.

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What they do, and in the conversations they have,, so that cumulatively, we can continue to have more.

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And more of an impact as we go through every year.

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Everything we're doing in communications is geared towards that. we're focused on building our relationships with media that will really.

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Move the needle for us and make a difference. we're.

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Focused on building our identity as really the springboard.

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That will allow us to do things in a new way, and.

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To get to that point. but, of course,, it is a process.

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It's going to take a little bit of time., but you can rest assured. This is absolutely the direction we're.

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Heading in and bit by bit, I'm sure that we will achieve.

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It, together with the rest of the community?.

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J

And that is, our legitimacy as an organization rests in.

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Part on our membership.: we can't go to these policy.

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Talking shops and venues and point out, we have 80,000.

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Global users, we represent the internet. that is not going to cut it.. That will call to the question our legitimacy.

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As an organization., if we're talking about representing the everyday internet, users,.

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That's just not going to work., we have to get our membership.

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Numbers up. thanks.. Your point.

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Is extremely well taken and I think we look forward to.

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Talking to you further about how we can all do that, together.

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James has a plan and we're all, I think, fully committed.

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To that. there was a question in the chat about the.

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Wireless for communities, program, and raul- maybe you.

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Can give us a bit more information about your vision.

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For how to take that global?.

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Project has been focused so far only in asia. we're.

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Expanding, we will in 2016 connect at least,. We will.

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Have one experience in each of the other regions.

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We're speaking about latin america,, caribbean,.

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Africa, and probably eastern europe, central asia., this is not just connecting the people,.

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It's finding partners for deploying the wireless.

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Network in the proper communities, building, with isps for them to provide internet services using that.

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Infrastructure that we develop at affordable, prices,.

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Partnering with the local organizations, for working with.

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The communities in training them how to use the internet.

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For improving their economies and way of life. doing,.

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Starting new businesses, buying or selling things,.

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Interacting and using the e-government services.

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Promoting their products and their local products,.

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Local production., so it's a complex project,. It's.

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Not only just connecting the communities,, it's.

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All the, the whole package we could say,, but.

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Also, learning from those experiences and.

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As I said, before, trying to inform the public policy.

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Debate., so we are collecting that data from before.

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We start to work with those communities and monitoring how the technology impacts, the program impacts in.

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Those communities. we're reaching the.

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End of our discussion on access., there are a number of comments in the chat.

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That we will capture,, as ted promised. There are.

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Questions about fellowships for the mena region and.

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How to up level the ixp in kinshas, I think I saw.

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There is a lot of great dialogue happening in the chat.

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And we'll be sure to capture that., I wanted to turn quickly to our leaders of.

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The organizational members advisory council who.

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Are on the call. scott mansfield,, cheryl, miller, and.

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Christoph steck. and see if there are comments.

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Or questions that you would like to add to this discussion of access and the role of isoc.

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is scott mansfield,.

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Can you hear me on the line? go ahead.

C

K

Hotel network. always good to check that it's coming through.. Thank you. Sally very.

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Much and I'll have to say that I'm very excited.

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About the opportunities that we have, and we have been.

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Given,, as the co-chairs of the organizational members and.

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I'm looking forward to this year and helping to advise.

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The isoc leadership., I also want to say this- has been an extraordinarily.

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Enlightening opportunity to hear from the community as well, and the one thing I would like to highlight is I.

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Think it is important that we consider that access.

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Provides these opportunities,, but once we provide the.

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Opportunities through these connectivity options,, then that.

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Is really where a lot of hard work begins,, because now.

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We need to have the support, the affordable devices,, the.

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Accessible technology,, the education, in order to.

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Actually use this, and create opportunities around the.

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Opportunities provided by the network., so that's one of the things I would like to.

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Continue to explore. now,. Thank you very much,, and I.

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Will turn it over to cheryl miller from verizon who.

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Will provide her comments.

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Realy appreciate the opprtunity to participate, and I think.

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That so far, everything that isoc has laid out is quite impressive, and it's very exciting to get started and hit the ground running in 2016.. I just wanted to.

L

Touch on a couple of the broad themes that I heard really quickly, and provide a couple of inputs., I think.

L

The overall theme of access and trust is spot on.. We.

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Picked up the theme of connecting the next billion at last year's igf and I'm glad to see that work is continuing..

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The way that isoc has sort of structured, both the development.

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Plan and policy plan under moving the bucket of access.

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Forward, I think, is very good. within that. I think from.

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A business standpoint it is really important,. I think the business community will be focusing on education around.

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Policies that help to better facilitate investment and.

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Also infrastructure., I think another broad theme that will sort.

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Of, sort of ties in with this, and it's not exactly related.

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To trust,, but I think this year it's going to be important to further build trust in the multistakeholder model.

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And isoc has always had a key role in this.. I think a great example is the role you played as a convener.

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With respect to the wsis and the igf,, and I think that that separate bucket of trust plays into the.

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Work we'll do as a community moving forward.

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I really loved hearing the focus on regional igfs,. I.

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Think that they can continue to be strengthened., many.

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Of them had provided inputs into the connecting the.

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Next billion project that we had at the igf,, which was great to see., also, the youth igf program, was great to be a.

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Part of. verizon was a sponsor and I hope you continue to.

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Build that., I think it's going to be crucial. Because,.

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Whether or not we want to admit it or not,, the younger.

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Generation, at least in my case, grew up with this technology in a way that not even.

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I did,, and so it's going to be really important to continue.

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To have them be a part of the conversation., and I just note with respect to some of the comments around communication and membership,, and how do we improve that and build on that? I do think.

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We need to think creatively.. I think it's really every member of isoc's job to be an embassador, and to kind.

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Of spread the word about the good work, they're doing.

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And maybe we can maybe look further to see how we can.

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Build out that, with respect to perhaps global public.

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Schools, colleges, et cetera. because I think there's a lot of energy there. We can tap into and move forward.

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With respect to education and getting the word out., I'm.

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Sorry, I talk too much. I'll stop there.

C

Did you want to add anything from an organizational member perspective.

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I think it was.

M

Really interesting and it's fantastic to be part of that crowd and to see all the ideas flying in on the chat.

M

I just would want to stress maybe two or three.

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Issues on the connectivity part and how we.

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Can get people to use the internet.? I work for telofonica,.

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So you might imagine that we're quite involved in that and we are trying to give access, and broaden access,.

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To people in the markets, where we operate. and what we.

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Experience is that, first of all,, when we speak about.

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Connecting the next billion,, we will have to speak about.

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Mobile access, and of course we will need parts of networks.

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Built by fiber, and there might also be roads of satellite,.

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And other technologies,, whatever you have,, but it's mainly.

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Going to be mobile technology, which is going to connect this.

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Next billion of people. and then the second part- and that was mentioned.

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Already and it's related to the supply and demand side.

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Issue you mentioned sally, as well,, is that we believe.

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The demand side, actually in a lot of cases, is where we have.

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To work more with other stakeholders,, with governments, to.

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Make people aware that there is actually use of the internet and they also have the skills to use it.

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I think that isoc has published interesting studies.,.

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Michael kende has done that, from brazil,, where you see that.

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Actually, the connectivity in itself is not the issue.. It's.

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Rather that people say I have no interest or I don't know how to use the internet., and I think this is really where.

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Hit a wall in getting the internet road out in the sense.

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That it's used by people., so the first step is connectivity, but the second step, of course, is getting people to really use it.. I think that is where actually we would want to reach.

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Out as isoc to other partners, and there's many people.

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Involved not only governments, other institutions,, a lot of.

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Companies like mine and others., and I suppose we should try to combine here the efforts to make the internet.

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Available to everyone., that would be, I think, a key role for.

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Isoc to play. thank you., [sally wentworth]. Thank you christof, and.

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Thanks to our advisory council leaders., we have a new advisory.

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Council this year and we're thrilled it came together.

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The chapter advisory. Council.- I'm going to turn to.

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Richard hill and avri doria to give us their insights.

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On how chapter advisory council is thinking of these issues,.

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And other comments you want to make with regard to the discussions so far.

N

Avri's there, I'll defer to avri.

O

The chapters advisory is just getting started, and we're finding our.

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Footing., we're still in the process of figuring out.

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How we work., but one of the things that I think is very.

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Certain, is that we do plan to get the chapters more involved,.

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Both in helping to sort of communicate with the broader.

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Community of users,, but also to bring their input in.

O

Haven't quite figured out how that happens, yet.

O

Haven't quite figured out what the priorities are, and.

O

Looking in terms of the priorities that isoc has.

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Already set up for this year, and going forward, how we.

O

Actually blend into that. so, very happy to see many of the initiatives,.

O

Very happy to see the focus on rights that isoc.

O

Has taken and is becoming very much one of the leading.

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Voices in that.- that is a very good thing to see.

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And such., so I think we're very supportive.. We don't.

O

Quite know how to be supportive, yet. and what we.

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Can actually do to affect things. but, you know,.

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We're very excited to be part of all this and to be moving. Along. say how.

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Delighted I am that the chapter advisory council is.

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Up and running., I think, there's a lot you can do and I hope we have a long and deep dialogue about that.

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But also the reason I'm jumping in is to publicly again.

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Congratulate avri for her statement at the wsis.

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It was quite moving and quite impactful, and just gave me.

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One of those fabulous moments when I know that we do come.

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Together as a community to voice where we are in that.

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Community in ways that are very impactful., avri wasn't speaking on behalf of isoc, but you sort of want to claim.

B

It. thank you. back to you, sally.

C

Wentworth], I'm going to turn directly to richard hill to give his thoughts on the advisory.

C

N

To defer to avria, because she said what I was going to say much better., but I just wanted to add two points. from,.

N

As avri said, we're just getting off the ground, very early days., but from some of the initial feedback that we're getting,. That is actually, I think, one of the reasons.

N

Why the advisory council was created,, it echoes what's been said earlier in this meeting.. It would be good to involve the chapters more actively in various activities. for example,.

N

When I was listening to the activities on connecting.

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The unconnected, maybe it would be possible for isoc to coordinate.

N

With the local chapter leadership, when making local.

N

Visits and doing localinitiatives and so on. I realize.

N

That doesn't always work, but it's worth trying.

N

And then on the trust area, and by the way.

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I share what most people have said,. I think we all.

N

Agree that the key objectives you have outlined, connecting.

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The unconnected and building trust are exactly the right ones., so I strongly support that.

N

Now I have a personal view on the trust issue,, but I.

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Think it's shared by a large number of people.. We know.

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That we have to kind of have some proportionate activities with respect to surveillance,, collecting private data,, retaining private data and so on., and I think we're seeing increasing adoption, noe, or.

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Endorsement of the necessary and proportionate principles,, which isoc itself has also endorsed at a very early stage.

N

And I see that now in the council of europe documents and the resolution from the interparliamentary union,, and so I think maybe it's worth keeping that in mind as we go forward, and really make the point that yes, we do need surveillance obviously,. But it has to be.

N

Under law and with appropriate safeguards and due process.

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So thank you, very much. and we are, as avri said,, looking forward to really getting rolling. In the advisory group.- [raul echeberria] sally. may I say something.

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To head into the trust, agenda. go ahead, raul.

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Comment on what richard said, and I already.

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Wrote it in the chat room.. We fully agree about the importance.

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And need of involving the chapters more in all.

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Of our programs,, including the access projects and programs.

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Just that., thank you richard for saying that.. We fully.

E

C

Several questions in the chat that we didn't get time to address.

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But we will try to get to all of them either through.

C

The chat or here., but we don't have enough time to get to everybody., so richard kindly helped us shift the debate or.

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The discussion to the trust aspects of our agenda.

C

This is a perfect time for me to turn over to olaf, the.

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Chief internet technology officer to give us an overview of our work this year in insuring and.

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Rebuilding trust in the internet. so olaf, over to you?.

C

I'd like to start with a quote that I, or.

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Just point attention to something I just read in the chat.: it's a little while back by syam madanapalli.. I hope.

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I pronuonce his name: right. syam lives in.

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India, and his taxi account,, apparently there is.

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Some value in an account that is associated with the taxi,.

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Got stolen, and transferred. and looking for.

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Readdress, he couldn't find that redress.

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Syam has been active in the ietf, and still feels that.

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The internet is not a safe place. and I think that sort.

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Of touching upon the core of what the trust agenda is.

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About., what we need is an internet that we can trust.

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To do our business, to bring us economic opportunities.

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Where people feel safe.- and there are multiple aspects.

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To a trust agenda there. there is a trust agenda with.

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Respect to how people can find redress., so there is a,.

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You know,, how does your loss, and how does your safety or.

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Continuity in normal life depends on an environment, so.

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To speak. on the other hand, in order to create an.

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Environment, where those hacks don't really take place,.

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We also need to do technical, implementation., so,, a trust.

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Agenda is a whole broad context going from policy.

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Measures all the way down to technical measures.

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Last year, in 2015 we launched a piece called.

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Collaborative security. and collaborative security is.

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A set of values, is a framework to look at cyber security.

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And internet security, from a perspective whereby.

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Policy measures that we take to address the issues.

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That cyam runs into, so to speak,. Do not impact the value.

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That the internet brings., it is also taking into.

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Account that security is not one... cannot be achieved.

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In one place, by one actor and by one principle or one.

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Action., it's intrinsically on the internet,.

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Multilayered, multifaceted, and the responsibility.

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Of all., so that is sort of what we try to convey.

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With the collaborative security complex.

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Implementing that, in a trust, agenda, we're sort of.

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Looking into a number of things from the society's.

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Perspective., having trust means you need to.

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Have policies for trust. and for us, the collaborative.

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Security model is one of those building blocks,, so.

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To speak, for looking at individual policies and bringing.

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That debate forward., you need to have an understanding of the economics.

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Of trust. trust needs to be interoperable,.

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So to speak, for lack of a better word that pops to mind,.

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With values, with human rights, for instance., so trust of the internet and human rights go hand in.

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Hand., we want to make sure that the technology bits.

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That allow users to trust the internet are in place.

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So now we're sort of going more a little bit more into what is the future technology that can support users.

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In looking at trust., we want to advance those trust technologies.. We want.

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To make sure the public core of the internet can be.

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Secured. so then we're talking about things that.

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We try to progress, like routing manifesto. and.

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Then, of course,, we want to get a feel of how.

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Secure is the internet anyway?? How can we measure.

F

That? so, there's a bunch of activities that we undertake and from the technology perspective, we're.

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Really, looking at enhancing use, trust, advancement.

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Of trust technologies such as encryption, such as tls,, that's where, for instance,, our deploy360.

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Program creates a lot of material, and we are looking at online.

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Courses to support that., but we're also doing work.

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In deploying dnssec, the manrs initiative.

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Where we try to create a set of operators that.

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Subscribe to those values of, let's make that internet.

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Interconnection more secure. and then on the higher layers. There are a.

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Number of policy actions that we try to take,, which I alluded.

F

To. but sally, I think you can probably talk a little bit more about that.. I want to keep this short, so we have a little.

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Bit more time to get into a conversation. sally.

C

The things that we.

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Observed in the wsis, there was a debate over language.

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Related to security. and a number of governments suggested.

C

That,, while the technical community could go off and do the.

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Technical aspects of security, in whatever fashion,.

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Multistakeholder or otherwise, that the policy aspects.

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Of security really were the domain of governments. and.

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That they should make those policies on their own, and in.

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Some sort of multilateral context. and we pushed back on that concept in line.

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With the collaborative security framework that olaf mentioned,, because we really do believe that,.

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That security, to create a secure and trusted internet environment,.

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These pieces have to work together. the policies.

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That were created, and we're having a debate in the world around encryption.. If there are policies that relate to encryption that emerge from that,, they will affect the technical layers. aspects with how the technology.

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Evolves with respect to privacy, or doesn't, will impact.

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The policy layers, and what governments think they need to do.. So we believe really firmly that this, our.

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Notion of multistakeholderism really comes to the fore.

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In the discussion around security., because no one.

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Person's going to push a button somewhere and make us all secure, online., we know this.. We have to do this as.

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A collaborative endeavor.

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For us on the policy side that notion that governments do security, and technologists.

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Do technology, is very pervasive in the government policy.

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Discussion, and we as a community, really need to push back on that and show our value, that we can bring to the.

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Conversation from a technology or industry or end-user point of view., we are looking this year to build out from.

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The collaborative security framework, what are the policy building blocks that lead to a trusted internet.

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Environment. and what are the pieces that need to be in place.? We hear this a lot, particularly in developing countries.. You know I can't do everything all at once, but if I can do five things related to security from a policy.

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Perspective, what would they be? and we would really would love to hear from you, in your vantage point,, what.

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You think some of those building blocks would be. and we'll come back to you for dialogue, on that. This year.

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And, of course, any discussion of security and trust is.

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Not complete unless we keep the human rights aspects at.

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The forefront of our minds. that our goal here is to.

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Create an open, interoperable internet where people can.

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Express themselves freely, and express themselves.

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Securely., so the human rights component of all of this is quite important, and we're building partnerships.

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With the human rights community that do the human rights pieces very well,, but are keenly interested.

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In understanding the technology aspects for themselves,.

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For their own personal security in their own countries,.

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But also for the freedom of expression concerns that they're advocating in their countries. so, there's a huge policy component that is emerging.

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And has been emerging for some time related to creating.

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A trusted internet environment. and that's what we want to pursue very strongly this year in 2016 and be a.

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Leading voice on that., I think my job now is maybe to turn to raul.

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To talk a little bit more about the regional dimensions of the trust agenda before we open it up for.

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Further questions. raul?, we have a lot.

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To do from the global engagement perspective. the global engagement teams, that includes all the regional.

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Teams and also the capacity building, activities, and.

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The relation with the chapters. one of the things that, one of the ways in.

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Which we will be collaborating to the, contributing to the.

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Security trust and security objectives in 2016, is.

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Work that is being done by the policy group, and the technology.

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Group. but also, building the discussion through.

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Our regional work to the technical, community, througt, the.

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Network operator groups and the regional debate, bringing, trying to feed the debate with our expertise, and,.

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Again, trying to combine the work that is being down by.

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Internet society in terms of policy and technology, trying.

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To feed to the regional debate. and using our engagement.

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Tools, and networks in the regions to promote collaborative.

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Security. and also to use the collaborative security.

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Approach for specific discussions, and specific cases.

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Finally, promoting the multistakeholder discussion at the.

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Regional and local level.- those are some of the things.

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That we will do in 2016 for supporting the work that the.

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Organization is doing in collaborative security and.

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C

You have any other concluding remarks or questions you.

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Want to raise before I turn it over to the group?.

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Well no., but I saw a question in the chat room from dr. shahid siddiqui about how you handle a situation.

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When the government itself puts regulation on the name of.

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The internet security. so,, if that happens,, how does.

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That fit in the collaborative security model?, I think.

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What is very important is that understanding what type of.

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Impact proposed regulation has on the values, that we want.

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To preserve with the collaborative security model, is very.

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Important., in essence, what we say is we want to preserve.

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The values that the internet, has made the internet grow.

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Permissionless innovation, end-to-end, connectivity, global.

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Reach,, those type of things are captured in the internet.

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Invariants paper., but also values like the human rights., so.

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Taking that perspective back and specifically looking.

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At internet invariants and your technical competence,.

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And building your technical competence into that.

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Discussion, and assess whether the regulation will impact.

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Any of those values. that, of course, is always sort.

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Of a local and a very targeted discussion that.

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Is relevant to your sphere., but taking that overall look,, I believe.

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That our collaborative security framework might help.

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In taking that... in taking an approach, there.

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I hope that sort of gives you a little bit of context on how I think of how it could be useful in.

F

C

Come back to a comment richard hill made earlier on necessary.

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And proportionate, because that's a big deal in.

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This discussion. richard,, maybe for those who aren't as familiar.

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With that phrase in the security and trust context,.

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Do you want to elaborate further on what you mean by that and why you think that's important?

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N

Was a fairly large coalition of civil society organizations.

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That got together. I think it must have been three years ago now.. It was pretty much after the snowden revelations. and.

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The produced a set of principles,, which, in their view, would.

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Be the correct balance between security, law, enforcement,.

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Privacy, data retention, legal intercept, surveillance.

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And so on. the website is necessaryandproportionate.org.

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With no spaces. just type that and you'll see, it. isoc was one of the early adherents to that.

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As isoc central and several isoc chapters also. that.

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Idea has come up here and there. some governments have,.

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Well,, in fact, actually, I think it's fair to say all.

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Governments, have shown some reluctance in adopting those principles, I think because they felt it would constrain their existing surveillance programs.. It's clear that most of these surveillance programs in place,, not just the one from the u.s, which is well known,, but all the other ones that we don't know about and which are even worse,, would not be acceptable under the necessary and proportionate principles in one way or another..

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But nevertheless, civil society has been pushing. as I mentioned,. This principle is now coming up in,, even in.

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Intergovernmental bodies., it was unanimously proposed.

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By civil society in the wsis review, but didn't end up in the wsis outcome., but that's ok,, we can keep.

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Trying. and the basic idea behind it is just what it says:.

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Surveillance, yes,, but it has to be necessary for safety,.

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Security and so on, and it has to be proportionate,, meaning basically not mass surveillance but targeted surveillance based on some evidence of threats.

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Or things like that and under judicial supervision.

N

thanks for that, sally.

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Becoming, as you said, a sort of core part of the international.

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Policy debate on these issues. nick ashton-hart is.

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In there, he had a comment in the queue about,. Let's.

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Not get dragged into this balance that we have to trade off.

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Certain things in order to get trust or privacy. nick,. Do you want to expand on that point?.

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Kind of a hobby horse of mine,, because of course I sit in geneva and listen.

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To lots of discussions about the internet,, mostly not terribly.

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Well-Informed on parts with many delegates,, and even just the.

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Public narrative, where,, you know, law enforcement, says well, we have to have access to your communications when we need to in order to protect you, and uh,. To me, this is like saying.

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We need a policeman to live with you, so, in case someone.

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Invades your home, we'll be there to help you. no. you.

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Don't get to live in my house., you don't get to live in my.

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Head., this is one of the key challenges that we're going.

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To face as a community..., it is the law enforcement community.

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Has tended to be pretty insular,, they hang out together,.

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They work collaboratively together in the past. that.

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Worked. they needed some engagement by the justice, ministries and lawyers,, but they had to collaborate with.

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Each other, and I think we need,- we need more engagement.

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With especially younger,, more technically savvy people from.

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Law enforcement, to get them to understand that a zero-sum.

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Game isn't the way to a more secure, society. and.

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That security issues are not owned by law, enforcement, or.

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By security, services, or anybody. that human rights is a.

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Key component, and this really a holistic,. We should want.

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A holistic result. and I have to say I compliment isoc,.

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Because the messages from isoc manage to be congruent, as.

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I mentioned in there,, confruent,, moral, and fact-based, all.

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At the same time, and that's a difficult combination on a.

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Technical subject., this community, I think, has a lot to add,. If.

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There's a way to connect more with law enforcement.

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Communities, outside of the limelight,, not.

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At the sort of level of public discourse, where you see.

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So much conflict,, but maybe there are opportunities for isoc.

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At some meetings at europol or interpo,, or to convene some.

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Sort of small group meetings with people there. some of.

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The more interested people from these communities could maybe ask questions in an off the record. Environment,.

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And understand a bit better why the reaction is.

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So negative to what they,, what they propose at times.

P

C

You have follow up to that. the niche of law enforcement.

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And encryption is a really difficult one.. It's happening.

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In many of our countries, as we speak. and certainly.

C

Something the technical community is paying a lot of attention. To. olaf,. Do you want to speak a little bit.

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More about that tussle, as you see, it?.

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As you know, there are also technical counter reactions.

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To this. the ietf, a couple of years have set in motion.

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I would say almost a policy, butprobably, the wrong word,.

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Ore encryption. make sure that all the protocols.

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That are developed in that community support encryption.

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And, in fact,, I believe that we at the internet, society,.

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We at the internet society supported that statement.

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But we are also working on spreading the knowledge and.

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The word on how to create those security, and implement.

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Those security mechanisms through our programs.

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Support of the dnssec, support of tls in your protocols.

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Those things do not only protect you against pervasive.

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Monitoring, no,, the primary goal of that is to protect.

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You against criminals. to protect you against the guy.

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That hacks, your taxi account and steals all your money.

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And I think it is very important to take that positive.

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Look,, in addition to the defensive posture, that there.

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Is a job to do in securing our immediate environment.

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So to speak., and there is a lot to do. if.

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We only look at the internet of things,, then we're shipping.

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Material and implementations that are not secure, and.

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We collectively have a responsibility, there.

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So, making that part of the debate, I think, is very.

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Important,, a positive and initiative-based stance,.

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Taking responsibility for your piece of the security.

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Agenda., I think that is important.

C

To take one more question that I saw in the queue., there is a lot of stuff coming in here.. Dr. shahid asked.

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A question about what he referred to as a double-edged.

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Campaign going on in india., dr. shahid,, are you able.

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To speak,, and do you want to describe that a little further. I actually heard about it on the radio a bit this morning, so I think I know what you are referring to.

C

but,. Could you tell us in person?, dr. shahid, siddiqui yes, sally,? I can just give you.

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Some example in india: what's happening., it's like,.

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You know one side that we call it a [indiscernible] india campaign is going on. but, on the other side,. If.

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Somebody speaks about the situation that is going on in.

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The environment, either on social media, or in any format,, so that person is being targeted indirectly or.

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Directly through the system, or something like that,.

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They have to suffer. in every campaign,. In everywhere you might be hearing, on the,, even actually the.

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Celebrities, are just afraid to speak about the things.

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Happening., so it's like,, you know, one side, you tell the should be connected all over., but what is the reality?? The reality is that it's.

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Nothing on the remotest area. if you go and still see.

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There are national fiber networks at level., but they are.

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Not active. they're not being used,, they are not being utilized., but on the other side in the media campaign,, you just see that its campaign going on all round going on all around.. So I think that it's a very dangerous situation. that you know one side. You speak in the favor., but in practical, it's not in the favor,.

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It's like just countering what you want to say, that.

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Should be only be the digital, on the digital, platform, and others are not getting this,, therefore delivering their speeches, or delivering their expression.. So this.

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Is what I just want to, in this situation? How one can.

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Advocate about the rights of internet or accessibility,, or that getting into the ministry and thosw will all be disconnected., as you know that 60 percent of the indian population is totally disconnected. more than.

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That, they are even,, they are just not having the accessibility, or even the electricity,. Most of the villages.

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You go and see. in that situation, how we can think about.

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The internet., so that is a question that we talk, we.

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Talk,, just it goes to 50% or 15% percent of the.

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Population,, those who have accessibility, those that have.

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The readiness, that's all., so we have to think as.

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You spoke about, africa., africa is going through the same.

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Situation. there are all things, going, haywire,, like it's.

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Not totally connected where we're targeting,, we are not reaching to that point.. So I am just bringing those into.

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Notice., but how we can just work practically and just get.

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In to that, to solve those issues., because if we start.

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Campaign,, if I talk about individuality,, I cannot do that.

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Freely. because there are lots of things that are blocked.

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So just I wanted to just basically bring the situation to notice,. I just need a solution.. You people are expert here.

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So you can just guide us about how to handle those situation?, [sally wentworth], dr. shahid,. I think you've.

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Raised a very good point and one that we hear in a.

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Lot of countries.- and in fact what I have heard on the radio coming in this morning was this,- was this tension that human.

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Rights organizations are starting to see in countries.

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Where, on the one hand, they want access,, but they want that access to be controlled,. They want it to be.

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On their own government terms, and not necessarily on the.

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Terms of the user., and that is something that we're starting.

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To see, and we're documenting an uptick in this kind.

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Of approach around the world, and tt's, something that we as a community need to be mindful of. at the.

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Internet society, we believe in access,, but we believe.

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In access to a global,, open,, interoperable internet.

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Where people can express themselves freely., we have to.

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Build on these trust, components,, we have to make it more secure,. We have to protect people's privacy, but that.

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Should not come at the expense of free expression., so.

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I think you raise a really valid point, and one that we are all as a community are going to have to work through and struggle through for the coming years.. It is one of the key tensions that we see.

C

I want to turn now,, as we did before, to our.

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Advisory councils to see, if you have additional.

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Comments you want to make on the trust aspects of the.

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Agenda., so to our, I'll switch it up this time,, although.

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We've already heard from richard,, so maybe avri, with the chapter advisory council, any comments that.

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You have?, obviously you're very active in the human rights discussions around the world, anything you want to say on this piece of the agenda?.

O

Probably not too much.

O

I mean I'm really happy to see it taken up.. I.

O

Really do see that tussle as being something.

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We have to engage in, and I'm really quite happy that isoc is engaging in it, and it is definitely.

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Something that we can't let up on, as we see more and.

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More of the problem: areas, so,, but that, you know,.

O

Really all I need to add., I think it was well said.

O

C

You want to add?, I don't know if richard's still with us. ok., if you want to jump in,, just, oh,, the answer's.

C

No. thank you, richard., maybe turn over to the.

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Advisory, the organizational members, christof, cheryl,.

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And scott. anything you want to add on this part of the.

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Discussion on trust and security?, obviously I'll.

K

Jump in real, quick and say that I think it's important.

K

For the organizational members to exercise their.

K

Networks, to use that as a way to provide education and.

K

Outreach to educate everybody about the importance of.

K

Trust., it's important for people to understand. What's.

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Available [indiscernible] and how to use those tools.

K

I'll leave it at that, and turn it over to cheryl.

L

Hi, this is cheryl.. I think it's great that you guys are focusing on this, because.

L

It is a really important issue.. It has many different.

L

Dimensions to it., I think you said something: important, sally,, you said internet on user's, terms., and,, that's exactly right.! As someone who.

L

Wants to gain access and wants to be a bigger participant.

L

In the internet community,, how are you able to kind of navigate your way through on your own.? We.

L

Do a lot of research just with respect to our own customers.

L

With respect to privacy- and I can tell you, some of the things that I've learned is, there are so many demographic, cultural nuances, to how people.

L

Feel about many different things in terms.

L

Of their interactions, online., and I do think that there.

L

Are different sort of dialogues and buckets with.

L

Respect to when you're talking about crime, investigation, or you're talking about broader types of data, collection.

L

A lot of the points that were raised by many who.

L

Have participated in the conversation I think are spot on with respect to encryption.. I think routeing.

L

Security is another bucket of that.. There is an overall safety bucket that pulls in items such as child online.

L

Protection and things of that nature. I look forward.

L

To a really detailed dialogue on this., it needs to be.

L

Ongoing for sure, and I'm glad that internet society is taking it up in the way that it is. thank you.

C

Christoph, anything you want to add?.

M

That encryption might be a key issue around encryption, arorund.

M

Trust. but I beleive that we have to do much more work on that.. I think it's a very challenging issue, as we have just said.. There are many different interests.

M

Involved. when we speak about governments, they of course,, depending on who you speak to in government,,.

M

Have different opinions themselves.? I just believe.

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That we have to do much more work on that. of course,, not true that encryption will be.

M

The only way to provide privacy, and, at the same time,.

M

It's also true that encryption will prevent any security..

M

So the truth is here very much in the middle and we have to find out where it is. and, I think again,. I think internet society,, with its.

M

Expertise from the technology side, with the experetise from its chapters, should really try to build bridges.

M

Here, and not you know,, being afraid of having an.

M

Opinion,, but rather try to build the opinion of others as well.. It's not going to black and white,. It's going to be a solution which needs to balance a lot of fundamental.

M

Rights and interests,, and we have to be aware that we.

M

Should be part of the debate, and not outside., so I think that would be just my point to.

F

Add to that. [olaf kaufman]. If I may, christof,, I think.

F

You hit the nail on the head., it's something that.

F

We recognized when we made our statements. and something.

F

That we've tried to bridge during the last year,, specifically.

F

For instance, by co-organizing a workshop to look.

F

At the technical implications of security, of encryption,.

F

For instance, in mobile networks. there are many.

F

Aspects to that and it's important to look at those.

F

And, as a comment back to cheryl,, the various.

F

Perspectives that people have, the local pockets.

F

Of interpretation of values, of approaches with.

F

Respect to the security and privacy, and the social components.

F

Of that,, I think that is a case for the subsidiarity.

F

Nature of this discussion., the multistakeholder.

F

Type of discussion that takes place. and I think that lessons learned could be transferred between.

F

The chapters. I saw richard mentioning in the chat room.

F

That there is a,, the swiss chapter has organized, has organized.

Q

Something around the encryption bills that are being.

F

Introduced. and I think that translating those examples,.

F

And perhaps informing other chapters, might be one of the things that we can do in this debate.. So those were my.

F

Sort of final observations from this debate. thank.

C

You. [sally wentworth] thank you, olaf and thanks for summarizing., that's very helpful., I'm just going to put a plug in for one last.

C

Project that we hope we can get the community.

C

Engaged in. we've spoken a lot so far about what we.

C

Need to do in 2016., we have a critical agenda ahead of.

C

Us. but one of the roles of internet society is to be.

C

Looking further out, and what does the future look.

C

Like., so we are going to embark on a project this year.

C

To update, revise, reconsider the scenarios that are.

C

Facing the internet., what are the directions that the internet could be going, and how do the decisions that.

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We make, either in policy or industry, or as users,.

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Or as engineers,, how do those decisions affect the.

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Ability of the internet, ability of all of us to experience.

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The internet that we want to experience.

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And we want this to really be a community brainstorming session so to speak. so, as.

C

We walk through the process of building these scenarios,.

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We'll be coming out to many of you to get your sense.

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Of what are the challenges facing the internet,? What are the uncertainties,? What are the things we don't know, but we think are on the horizon, and then how do.

C

We translate those into recommendations for what we should.

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All do as a community going forward..

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This isn't going to happen over night,. This is something that will unfold over the coming year, year and a half., but we really do want this to be a.

C

Community engagement, project., and so we hope that.

C

You're ready to jump in and put your creative hats.

C

On and think about the future,, particularly from where you sit., when we've done this in the past, we get.

C

Different perspectives from different regions based on the challenges that they're experiencing., so that's.

C

A plug for looking ahead, looking into the future.

C

And with that, I'm going to wrap up this discussion.

C

Portion and turn it back to kathy, to conclude.

C

B

Participating in my morning, in your day, morning,.

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Afternoon, and night. it's very motivating to sit and.

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Listen to the views of our members around the world.

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And to keep, for us to keep in mind the meaning of.

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This word "society.", I have been always been quite.

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Enamored of our name,, the internet, society. and I,. I.

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Think I have said this before,, but this idea arose.

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From vint back when this whole thing started, about.

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This society is going to emerge from this idea of the.

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Internet, and it has. it has., someone said earlier, yeah yeah,, but there's.

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So many more people on the internet than our membership.

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And that is right, that was bound to happen.

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The issues around an open globally connected,.

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Secure, trusted internet remain for us even.

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More urgent, 25 years, which will be our anniversary.

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Next year, into the birth of this idea,, this internet.

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Society.- and you heard a lot today- a lot about what.

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I beleive are the urgent things we need to do in the.

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Present time to meet the current challenges.

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I actually believe if we don't do this, and.

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We don't do this with some passion, and some.

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Direction, and some activism, that we could see a very.

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Different world, and a very different internet, than the one that we believe in.

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the core of our ability to do. This is not the 90.

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People who are the staff of the internet society. the.

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Core of our ability to do this is our membership., so.

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80,000 members. have we engaged them all? no.? Do we.

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Need to? yes.? How do we do that?? How do we think.

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About our members, growing those mebers, and activating.

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Them to move forward with us, to ensure we have the.

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Internet that we want in the future. there are a couple of ways. I think that we're.

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Concentrating on and that we ask you to do. part of this is local organization.. It is locally organizing.

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Folks to talk about, to understand,, to be aware of the.

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Issues that affect the internet. one way to do that is on the internet. and.

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I just, the reason you are sitting here in little.

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Boxes in front of me, is because I'm a deep believer.

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That we need to make eye to eye contact.. We need to.

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Talk to each other in a way that we realize we're not just names on an email, or voices on a teleconference,.

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But that we are real people, sitting in real places.

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Everywhere in the world,, and we call ourselves a.

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Society. together, this society can come together, in.

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My view, to take on what are the issues of the internet.

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In the 21st century., we are trying to here, at the staff.

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Level, focus those efforts so that we can be more effective.. We are aware there are very discrete issues,.

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On the local and regional level,, which we must depend.

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Upon our people in those regions to address., we want.

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To give you the tools., we want to give you the policy.

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Papers. we're trying much harder to say to you here, here.

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Are the things you need, that you're telling us you need,.

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To do the work of the internet society. this year, you'll see from us an increased.

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Snd continuing focus on building the society. on building.

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Our membership. on building the strength of our chapters. on making sure we can communicate with each.

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Other. and, by the way,, it doesn't only have to be through us,, although I think these community forums are.

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Fabulous,, you can communicate with each other, within the chapters and regions, and communicate across the.

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Chapters,- and I hope you would do that. there are so.

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Many lessons learned around the world. as I go around the.

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World and listen to what people are doing to fight...

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It's forceful,, it's impactful.! If it's focused, it.

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Really, really gets things done. so,. What are we going to do?? Keep using the.

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Internet to talk to each other, to organize. this particular.

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Application we're using here is a good one. why?.

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It's cloud based and thus the low bandwidth issues.

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In some of the places in the world get dealt with.

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So you heard people from places around the world today,.

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And you saw them, that you could not do just a little.

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While ago., because of the technological breakthroughs.

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I don't necessarily want to be the cheerleader for one particular application,, but what I'm seeing.

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Is an application that we're using that is working.

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and I'm suggesting to you to do it, to find it, to.

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Get online, looking at each other and talking to each.

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Other. we are going to again do intercommunity. last.

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Year, to be honest,, we were just holding our breath to make sure the technology worked, that we could move.

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Ourselves around the world, from our board, to the 15.

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Nodes that we had, to individuals, to incorporate.

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Individual folks, who wanted to get on, and.

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It worked. this year. We need you to help us think about.

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That community building, to make sure that our.

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Intercommunity this year is really about the community,.

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And that it's community centered. so you're going to hear about that. this membership drive issue is.

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Totally on our minds. and any ideas that people have.

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That are better than ours, or will actually grow on.

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Ours, or are local in nature,. I would like to hear from you ayesha hassan is,. She knows she's tasked with.

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This. and it's not just about getting numbers., we.

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Don't want a number., we need engaged members. and to.

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Engage members,. They have to get something from us.

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It's not just we get something from the members.. What are we as a society offering to new people to come and.

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Join us? yes,. We are offering them a way. Forward.

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We're offering them the principles., what more.

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Can we offer them?? I believe this lies in the chapters,.

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Because I think it's in the chapters where we have face to face ongoing human kind of association, and passion.

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That is grown and then is activated, and actually gets.

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Results. but we have to think about, what do we want.

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To give these new members that we want so much.

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Finally,, I just want to say something about the fellows.

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And the ambassadors in the nextgen part of our.

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Absolutely essential work to bring more people in.. We.

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Must... the internet is about the future. and we must,.

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Must, must have the future, which is the present,. It's.

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Our young people., it is our internet natives., the folks who have grown up with, and about,, and around.

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This technology, who will better help us reach other.

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People, and will better help us as a society to.

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Articulate why this internet needs to remain open and.

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Global., why free expression is so important.? Why.

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Governments need to understand and appreciate that this.

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Technology,, this network of networks, is not something.

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They ought to be afraid, of,, but something they need to embrace., because it is the way that we are going.

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To express ourselves as communities, grow, economies,.

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Become stronger in both our regional, and our global.

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Citizenship. and we need voices in order to do that.

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In brazil, I add my voice to all of those that [noise],.

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It was fabulous. and to have that energy, to infuse.

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That energy into the internet, society, the energy.

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That comes with youth, and with I can do anything,.

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And with fearlessness, is what we need now.

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And it must be a part of what we want to do this year., so we're going to concentrate on things we.

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Need to do in the present,, we have our eye on the future.. The scenario planning we're going to do is enormously important. and we are going to speak. we're.

B

Going to have our voices heard., I think you are experiencing,.

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More and more, that the staff of the internet society.

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Is out in the world, trying to make a point, trying.

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To have impact., I myself will concentrate on two big.

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Things this year. one, getting to new audiences,, so.

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That new audiences understand who we are,, why it's.

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Important that they listen, and that will be part of.

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The dialogue. I go off to barcelona in two weeks,, because.

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Indeed, the internet will be on a mobile platform..

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We need people to understand, that, and see and understand.

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How it is we go forward. I will be at the g7,, because.

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It's at the g7 that governments will again come together.

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And decide how they're going to govern the internet.?

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Well, really?! We don't need them to govern the internet,.

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We need them to join with us to govern ourselves on the internet, and we have to come to some kind.

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Of understanding sound the needs of security.

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And freedom, and the fact they must go. Together, human.

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Rights and security are not one balanced against the.

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Other,, they must exist at the same time., so we must be.

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In these forums. we'll be at the oecd, we'll be at.

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The african internet conference. I'm going to mexico next.

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Week., you will see us out there speaking, and I'm.

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Suggesting to you, you should do the same. go to.

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Where you will have people that listen to you, and go.

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To where they don't even know, who you are, and start.

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To talk about the issues that are of utmost importance.,.

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So again, I wanted to thank all of you, and sally, and.

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Raul, and olaf, and james, and all of the staff, gregg.

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And the tech people who put this thing together.

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So we can talk to each other, and ask you to please stay very close to us,. Let's stay in touch.

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Don't hesitate to drop me a line., I know we're trying.

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To work out this stuff on connect. but,, by the way I read everything., so I know what is happening. and.

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I know we have work to do. and I know that we have.

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New kinds of things we have to institute and we're getting.

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There. so thank you very much for being here.