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From YouTube: Local Offline Collaboration Monthly 2019-08-21: Data Hop
Description
On our August 21 call we explored Data Hop with a presentation from Yiannis Psaras and heard from Nicola Bidwell and Nico Pace about a project creating audio social messaging for the San people of Namibia.
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A
Hey
folks,
this
is
cherry
I'm
here
with
the
local
and
offline
collaboration,
special
interest
group
meeting
for
August,
it's
August
21st,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
folks
with
us
today.
A
lot
of
new
faces,
so
I
think.
The
first
thing
we
should
do
is
just
do
a
quick
go
around
I'll
call
people
out
based
on
where
they
are
on
my
little
Brady
Bunch
view
here
and
just
tell
us
in
like
30
seconds.
A
Why
you're
interested
in
this
like
offline,
first
or
local,
first
or
local
collaboration
or,
however,
you
think
about
this
topic
like
if
there's
a
cool
project,
you're
working
on
in
the
space
or
whatever,
just
super
quick
and
then
we'll
get
going
with
our
the
rest
of
our
agenda.
So
Yanis
your
first
Sun
on
my
screen.
B
Hello,
hello,
hello,
I'm,
Eunice
I,
my
research
labs
and
also
academic
at
University,
College,
London
and
yeah
Ben
I
have
a
long-standing
interest
in
of
LAN
communications.
The
lay
tolaram
networks,
we've
done
quite
a
bit
of
work
on
mobile,
only
communications
in
the
past,
so
yeah
looking
to
see
what
these
will
be
cool.
A
Awesome
I'm,
Terry
I,
currently
work
at
protocol
labs,
but
I
used
to
work
at
IBM
and
I
was
working
with
cloud
it,
which
is
like
CouchDB
as
a
service,
which
is
great
for
mobile
sync
and
offline
use
cases,
and
while
I
was
there,
I
was
one
of
the
founding
and
sort
of
co-organizers
of
offline
camp,
which
is
all
about
offline
first.
My
buddy
Dwayne
here
is
coming
and
lease
has
been
and
is
coming
again.
All
the
cool
kids
come
on
cam.
A
That's
not
for
this
part
of
the
agenda,
yeah,
so
I'm
I'm,
really
interested
in
in
offline
first
for
those
like
as
a
developer,
just
like
having
and
as
a
user
like
my
stuff
should
just
work.
That
would
be
lovely.
So
that's
my
big
interest
and
then
I
was
introduced
to
D
Web
through
the
offline
first
group
and
that's
I
ended
up
at
my
labs
and
I
built
proto
school,
which
is
an
educational
like
tutorials
and
stuff
on
D
web
stuff,
Duane
you're.
Next
on
my
screen,
yeah.
A
D
Everyone
I
am
Nico,
I
am
part
of
the
Association
for
progressive
communications
ABC,
and
we
have
been
supporting
community
networks
initiatives
that
would
be
communities
in
rural
underserved
countries
in
rural
and
reserve
situations
in
in
general.
The
global
South
that
decide
to
provide
themselves
with
connectivity
by
the
arrow
means
with
their
own
hats.
E
Hey
bro
I
work
for
protocol
labs.
My
name
is
Dominic
specifically
I
work
on
Co,
ipfs
and
I'm,
always
interested
in
seeing
how
we
can
bring
this
to
new
platforms
and
have
kind
of
like
compatibility
with
all
these
systems
that
people
are
working
and
building
on,
so
that
we
can
kind
of
enable
these
I'll
find
first
kind
of
applications
and
stuff
and
I
particularly
come
into
these
calls
to
see
what
everyone
else
is
doing
and
what
problems
they
may
be
having.
So
that's
it
for
me,
yeah.
F
Everybody,
my
name
is
Jessica
the
cat
that
just
mauled
me
before
departing
is
named
Luna.
She
is
so
off
line
first,
she
didn't
want
to
be
in
the
room.
I
came
to
say
hi
to
everybody
today
on,
because
I
do
work
on
I
confess
that
protocol
and
specifically
I
work,
Rotarians
and
others
in
a
group.
That's
focusing
on
our
documentation,
effort
right
now
and
we've
hit
a
point
where
we
were
hoping
that
we
could
chat
with
some
folks
who
were
passionate
about
the
offline
first
movement
to
which
I
can
get
into
a
little
bit
later.
F
G
A
A
I
Hello,
so
I'm
Arkady,
I
work
on
collaborations
at
protocol
and
a
PFS
side
and
I
guess
on
a
personal
level
like
growing
up
in
post-soviet
Russia
was
out
of
having
like
an
online
and
then
being
in
New.
York
is
the
subway,
and
all
this
is
being
nature
a
lot.
It's
a
lot
of
personal
experience,
where's
the
server,
not
really
being
something
that
you
can
count
on,
but
also
like
got
it
more
seriously.
I'm
very
interested
in
community
networks,
as
well
as
things
like
making
IOT,
not
be
an
utter
disaster.
So.
J
A
K
L
A
M
Quebec
City
Museum,
the
mobile
app,
in
fact
sorry,
was
trying
to
hide
from
the
camera
I'm
just
about
to
catch
a
flight
in
a
second,
so
I
probably
have
drop
of
it.
I
read
a
consulting
firm
out
of
Phoenix
I.
Do
IOT
offline
thing
thanks
and
if
anybody's
gonna
be
in
New
York
on
Friday
half-sack,
New,
York
I'm
gonna
be
doing
a
talk
on
surviving
the
apocalypse
with
progressive
web
apps,
which
sort
of
mix
of
browser
tech
a
little
bit
of
DAT
stuff
like
that,
so
I'll
be
at
offline
yeah,
excellent.
Hella.
A
N
Hello,
everyone
so
I'm,
I'm
part
of
the
final
coin.
Project
I
am
mostly
just
I
mean
I've
heard
you
Terry
I
know
this
is
like
a
big
part
of
you
know,
one
of
your
passions
and
I've
heard
you
mentioned
it
a
few
times
so
I
was
just
generally
curious.
It
would
have
like
a
huge,
like
you
know,
other
reason
for
being
interested,
but
I'm
definitely
really
curious.
Think
it's
important
coming.
So
that's.
A
Great,
we
love
curious
people,
yeah
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
making
a
lot
of
stuff
work
offline
these
days,
but
I'm
really
fascinated
by
all
these.
So
that's
great,
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
introduce
yourselves
I.
Think
it's
really
cool
to
see
like
the
breadth
of
projects
that
people
are
working
on
they're
interested
in
I'm,
going
to
hop
over
I'm,
actually
gonna
paste
the
link
to
our
agenda
one
more
time,
because
I
think
it
doesn't
show
up
for
people
who
come
later.
So,
let's
see
what
we
have
on
there.
A
We
have
a
couple
of
kind
of
short
announcement
type
things,
and
then
we
will
jump
into
Jana.
Jana,
says
kind
of
main
part
of
this
talk,
so
first
I
will
just
share
slightly
more
officially
what
I
have
been
hinting
at,
which
is
a
flank
camp
which
is
about
offline
first.
It
is
not
specific
2d
web,
unlike
this
call
where
we're
really
looking
at
it
from
the
perspective
empty
web
offline
camp
you'll
find
people
who
are
really
excited
about.
Do
you'll
find
people
who
are
doing
more
traditional,
like
couch,
TV,
couch,
TV,
stack,
etc.
A
But
it's
discussion
based
all
sort
of
unconference
picking
topics
as
we
go
based
on
who's
there
and
amazing
environment
secretary
over
the
weekend.
We
actually
had
to
reschedule
it
for
a
longest
to
September
because
of
a
wildfire
in
Oregon,
and
luckily
a
lot
of
our
folks
were
able
to
stay
through,
but
we
do
have
some
empty
spots
available.
So
if
anyone
would
like
to
join
us,
we'll
be
in
Grants,
Pass
Oregon,
September
27th,
the
30th
and
I
will
paste
a
link
to
the
website
in
the
chat
here.
A
So
you
can
learn
more
and
obviously
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
me.
Specifically,
if
you
have
questions
I'm
one
of
the
organizers,
and
we
really
appreciate
that
the
idea
fest
team
and
protocol
labs
is
sponsoring
the
event
this
year.
Along
with
so
that's
awesome,
Jessica,
let's
go
over
to
you
for
your
request.
F
So
the
ask
in
that
is
I'm
gonna
share
a
link
in
the
chat
to
a
Google
Form,
but
then
there's
also
a
link
inside
of
the
agenda.
I
would
love
it.
It's
just
just
once
your
name
and
address
your
email
address,
so
that
I
can
check
in
with
you
and
do
a
little
bit
of
scheduling
and
then
also
this
anybody
else.
You
think,
might
be
interested
in
having
this
conversation
with
us.
Please
send
that
link
to
folks
thanks.
Nico
I
just
saw
your
note
out
in
there
but
yeah
anyone
else.
F
A
A
B
B
K
B
It's
thought
to
be
the
beginning
of
it
was
the
general
area
of
edge
computing,
so
to
speak,
which
is
something
that
we've
been
looking
at
the
last
few
years,
which
in
a
very
quick
nutshell,
says
that
with
IOT
and
all
our
mobile
devices
that
were
not
around
a
few
years
ago
now
we
see
more
usage
of
whatever
our
devices
are
doing
at
the
edge
of
the
network.
So
you
we
want
to
consume
content
at
the
edge
of
the
network.
We
want
to
produce
and
publish
content
straight
from
our
mobile
devices.
B
The
same
is
going
to
be
the
case
when
IOT
I
mean
more
integrated
and
therefore
we
need
to
have
a
way
to
connect
devices
locally
and
made
them
able
to
exchange
content
between
them.
So
that's
how
we
came
up
with
data
hope,
which
is
kind
of
a
first
connectivity
part
to
the
edge
computing
world
and
effectively.
B
Okay,
yeah:
well,
we
figured
out
that
you
know
communicating
globally
is
possible
with
all
the
great
protocols
and
work
that
all
the
community
has
done
over
the
decades
and
it's
quite
easy
to
connect
to
others
are
far
away.
What
has
not
been
done
very
very
efficiently
is
to
communicate
locally.
So
when
you
want
to
send
something
to
someone
sitting
next
to
you,
whether
it's
a
mobile
device
or
an
IOT
sensor
or
whatever,
that
is,
then
this
is
pretty
much
impossible.
B
You
have
to
ship,
whatever
you
have
to
the
other
end
of
the
planet,
into
a
datacenter
Google
Drive,
whatever
it
is
Dropbox
and
then
the
person
sitting
next
to
you
need
to
pull
that
off
again
from
the
other
end
of
the
planet.
So
what
we
want
to
have
is
actually
a
platform
for
distributed
at
hoc
data
synchronization,
so
one
device
can
publish
things
and
the
other
devices
should
synchronize
and
pull
this
data
locally.
B
So
you
can
think
of
that
as
a
local
shared
virtual
storage
that
needs
to
work
in
disconnected
environments
as
well
as
connected
environments.
It
doesn't
make
a
big
difference,
so
one
big
part
of
they'd
hope
is
a
connectivity
solution
which,
depending
on
what
you
want
to
build
on
top
I
hope,
I
mean
it
could
be
a
library
or
you
know
whether
the
name
is
going
to
be
its
a
connectivity
solution
that
can
identify
when
one
of
the
devices
in
the
surrounding
area
has
got
something
my
device
does
not.
B
Therefore,
in
this
case,
he's
going
to
connect
and
pull
the
content
needs
to
be
synchronized
between
devices,
and
so
in
order
to
do
so.
This
has
been
I
mean
in
the
academic
world.
This
has
been
called
opportunistic
networking
or
delayed,
learn
networking,
and
it
has
been
investigated
each
for
more
than
a
decade,
possibly
quite
a
bit
more.
B
So
so
roughly,
how
it
works
at
the
networking
part
is
that
we
have
SS
like
the
equivalent
of
SSID,
where
you
have
in
a
DSC
DS.
What
comes
out
of
the
Wi-Fi
access
point
and
is,
instead
of
having
a
random
bit
of
strings,
you
can
have
a
hash
or
the
content
name.
This
goes
back
to
our
studies,
which
you
know
it's
pretty
familiar
in
this
group
of
people
of
the
content
of
the
scible
web
or
the
content
addressable
internet.
B
B
Right
where
we
have
the
Bluetooth
beacon
advertisement,
where
you
can
think
of
it,
that
you
take
picture
and
you
want
to
kind
of
publish
it
in
the
local
network
and
then
the
other
device
that
is
scanning
the
Bluetooth
low-energy
device
that
is
scanning
not
constantly.
But
every
periodically.
Every
some
time
interval
is
going
to
eventually
identify
the
beacon
that
you're
you're
beginning
on
the
other
side,
and
it's
going
to
establish
a
connection
so
the
way
that
we
do
like
a
little
bit
more
technical
detail.
The
way
that
we
do,
that
is
that
we
have.
B
We
used
a
characteristic
field
of
little
Bluetooth
Low
Energy
protocol,
and
there
we
put,
we
use
bloom
filters
and
these
bloom
filter
effectively.
You
advertise
the
content
that
you
have.
Whichever
way
of
naming
you
want
to
have
it's
hash
function
or
whatever
it's
going
to
be,
and
for
the
two
devices
they
are
going
to,
that
the
advertising
device
is
going
to
do
that
and
the
client
device
is
going
to
check
that
against
its
own
bloom
filter.
B
B
So
what
we
also
have
I
mean
as
part
of
the
reward
system
which
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
detail
right
now
is
what
we
call
it
proof
of
prestige,
which
is
a
paper
we
recently
published
earlier
this
year,
and
it's
prophecies
is
a
user
proof
of
useful
work
kind
of
protocol
that
is
building
on
top
of
prostate
blockchains
and
what
we
want
to
achieve
with
that
is
to
actually
prove
that
two
devices
connected.
So
it's
pretty
difficult
to
prove
something.
B
Then
you
have
naturally
distinct
content
distribution
phrase
which
is
from
one
device
to
the
next
and
then
to
the
next
one
to
the
next
yeah.
So
this
seized
part
of
what
this
is
doing
and
okay
I
mean
the
overall
thing
is
quite
easy
to
understand
you.
You
have
some.
If
the
recent
obligation
that
is
building
on
top
of
this
library,
then
you
have,
then
the
application
will
have
to
get
some
memory
from
the
smartphone
or
the
IOT
device
or
wire
that
is
being
B.
B
Then
devices
are
moving
in
urban
or
non-arable
environments
and
when
they
find
someone
through
this
filter
matching
they
connect
opportunistically
and
they
share
content.
And
then
there
is
the
reward
for
that.
So
in
doing
that,
we
found
out
that
there
is
very
little
battery
consumption
we
have
as
I'm
going
to
in
a
minute.
B
We
have
an
Android
implementation
of
that,
which
is,
it
consumes
less
than
10%
of
the
battery
for
much
whole
day,
and
there
is
no
location
tracking,
because
you
know
the
whole
point
of
that
is
to
enable
local
communication,
which
means
that
if
we
want
to
share
something
locally,
then
these
days
look
old
and
you
know
nothing
is
uploaded
to
central
servers.
If
you
want
to
share
meeting
material,
nothing
is
going
to
be
uploaded
to
Google,
Drive
or
Dropbox
or
whatever
other
thing,
and
also
there
is
no.
B
There
is
no
consumption
of
mobile
data
so
for
place.
We're
mobile
data
is
quite
expensive
than
this
reading
content.
In
this
way,
it
can
be
much
more
cost-efficient
for
people,
so
so
there
are
a
few
use
cases
that
we
we
came
up
with
I
mean
that
the
main
the
main
thing
of
that
is
not
the
use
cases
themselves
is
not
the
application,
then
sells
them.
B
The
main
novelty
is
the
networking
library,
but
he's
sitting
underneath,
but
we
found
out
that,
if
you
want
to
do
is
slide
sharing
or
meeting
material
in
a
meeting,
then
you
end
up
in
cases
where
you
have
to
ask
for
10
different
emails
in
order
to
send
something
over
email
or
get
user
names
of
people's
Dropbox
account
or
whatever
other
thing
that
are
using
and
then
share
it
with
us,
which
is
quite
impossible.
To
do.
I
mean.
K
B
Quite
painful,
so
instead
what
you
can
do,
if
you
had
these
kind
of
library,
would
be
that
you
have
a
local
server
chiral
space,
where
everything
is
replicated
between
people's
devices
and
whoever
is
interested
in
what
being
published
is
being
pulled
transparently
to
their
to
their
phone
or
laptop
or
whatever
other
things
going
to
be
different
thing
very
similarities,
the
local
social
network,
where
you
want
to
share
some
things
from
from
festival,
gathering
protest
whatever
and
you
can.
You
can
basically
publish
content
which
other
people
are
pulling
on
their
devices.
So.
B
Yeah,
so
we
have,
we
have
quite
a
few
things
done.
This
hand
has
been
academic
project
for
quite
a
while,
and
we
have
received
some
funding
for
that.
So
we
have
the
device-to-device
productivity
module
it's
working
on
Android.
It
must
be
DS
on
the
from
the
Google
Playstore
say.
If
you
have
two
mobile
devices
you
can
download
and
sync
between
the
two.
You
can
create
a
group
and
things
between
those
two
devices.
It's
quite
stable.
It's
not
always
working
about
it's
mostly
working.
B
A
B
C
B
B
B
C
C
C
J
G
So
I've
got
a
few
questions
too,
so
this
would
work
awesome
for
what
I
was
building
and
what
I
talked
about.
Last
time
we
met,
you
talked
about
like
a
little
local
social
network.
That's
exactly
what
we're
trying
to
build.
It
sounds
like
right
now
it's
pretty
much
something
that
you
would
need
access
to
Bluetooth
and
Wi-Fi
direct
for.
So
obviously
you
couldn't
do
that
in
a
browser
but
I'm,
assuming
that
we
could
create
some
kind
of
apps.
That
would
act
like
a
wrapper
or
something
like
that.
That
could
be
using
that
anyway.
G
G
B
B
K
B
It
is
okay,
let's
do
something
simple:
if,
if
we're
building
local
social
network,
then
I
take
a
picture
of
something
if
I
publish
it
in
the
local
application
of
my
mobile
device,
then
automatically
this
is
advertised
to
other
people
and
it
could
be
a
closed
group
of
people.
It
could
be
an
open
group
of
people
it
doesn't
matter
about.
That
is.
G
B
There
is
relaying
a
awesome,
very
cool,
and
then
this
and
the
clients
don't
need
again
that's
application-specific,
but
they
don't
necessarily
need
to
click
and
say
okay,
one
day
so,
okay
I
want
to
connect
to
that
device.
It
should
be
inspiring
to
the
user.
But
again
it's
an
application,
specific
thing
that
yeah
so.
G
B
G
G
B
Then,
okay,
there
is
an
issue
if
you
want,
if
your
name
is
XYZ-
and
you
know
you
claim
to
be
X,
Y
Z
in
the
network,
then
I
kind
of
have.
If
we
form
a
group
between
us
to
share
stuff
I,
should
be
able
to
say
that
someone
else
is
not
pretending
to
be
XYZ,
because
I
want
to
continue
to
you.
I'm,
not
sure
how
this
can
be
done.
To
be
honest,
interesting.
G
B
I
So
I'm
a
little
sad
that
Dietrich
actually
had
to
drop
before
this,
because
I
think
he
actually
had
quite
a
bit
to
say
it
should
have
maybe
kind
of
them
to
the
scheduler.
But
I
have
a
couple
of
things
that
I
wanted
to
bring
up.
So
I
people
may
have
already
seen
this
last
month,
but
if
you
haven't
Bertie
de
rty
technologies
have
a
Bluetooth
Low
Energy,
let
p2p
transport,
which
sounds
like
it
may
end
up
being
something
that
the
data
hop,
for
example,
will
be
using.
I
So
if
you're
interested
in
that
definitely
check
them
out,
I
believe
it's,
maybe
is
open.
The
repository
has
been
opened
already
and
the
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
mention
quickly,
which
is
a
very
general
comment,
is
that
I've.
So
I
was
doing
these
kind
of
user
interviews
with
spokes,
and
one
of
the
questions
was
so
if
you
had
like
head
of
the
magic
one
question
like
if
you
was
no
objection
to
realism
or
cost,
what
is
the
one
thing
that
you
really
really
want
to
have
working
and
offline?
I
A
A
N
H
Nico
at
do
webcam,
so
he
might
have
seen
even
even
more
things
that
were
offline
related.
He
was
offline,
related
person
eyes.
There
was
definitely
some
people
who
kind
of
came
came
to
camp
thinking.
There
was
going
to
be
less
good
internet
than
there
was.
It
was
actually
surprisingly
good,
but
people
were
we're
kind
of
coming
prepared.
There
was
an
offline
data
swap
so
you
could
kind
of
bring
and
share
data,
and
someone
brought
well
at
least
had
started
working
on
I,
don't
know
if
you
ever
got
it
quite
finished.
H
A
an
offline,
capable
I
think
it
was.
It
was
a
package
manager
that
I'm
forgetting
the
name
of
right
now,
but
it
was
for
rust,
so
he's
like
crates,
cargo
cargo.
Thank
you!
It
was
cargo,
so
it
was
an
offline
version
of
cargo
on
top
of
IP
FS
so
that
he
could
bring
it
offline
and
then
use
it
with
with
other
people,
but
they
ended
up
not
needing
to
use
it
at
the
end,
because
we
had
such
good
internet
that
people
could
continue
hacking
without
it,
but
that
was
Shawn
from
the
rust,
secure
skeleton
community.
H
He
like
started
hacking
on
it,
just
so
that
people
could
use
it
if,
if
we
didn't
have
good
Wi-Fi,
so
I
thought
that
was
super
cool
and
then
I've
actually
been
at
web
3
here
in
Berlin
for
the
past
week
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
really
awesome
people,
our
Wi-Fi
is
less
less
good,
ironically
than
the
Wi-Fi
atom
at
D
web
camp
and
ipfs
camp.
So
there's
been
been
some
amount
of
like
people
talking
about
this.
H
I
I
can
also
add
a
little
bit
anecdotally
about
the
network.
Do
you
have
camp,
which
was
a
mesh
network?
That's
Benny,
Lau
from
Toronto
mesh
and
a
whole
bunch
of
volunteers
had
set
up
and
it
worked
really
great.
It
was
doing
I
think
seven
hops
to
the
backhaul
and
it
was
we
were
under
like
150
milliseconds.
It
was
really
really
nice.
So
if
you're
curious
about
that
set
up,
you
can
reach
out
to
that
Benedict
I
think
there
should
be
in
for
documentation
going
up
on
the
campsite
soon,
but
probably
not
yet
so.
I
So
it
was
so,
the
site's
was
on
the
it
was
on
the
Pacific
coast
quite
far
from
any
actual
networking
equipment,
and
there
was
restrictions
on
building
anything
that
might
compromise
the
aesthetics
of
the
the
vistas.
So
you
can't
put
up
anything
taller
than
the
tree
line.
Basically,
so
we
were
shooting
through
gaps
in
the
trees
to
like
from
one
Ridge
to
the
next,
and
so
there
in
the
road
I
think
seven
of
those
links
and
that
had
did
not
have
any
issues.
A
D
D
Concise,
so
actually
you
don't
have
anything
to
add
to
that,
but
in
regards
to
the
the
Welcome
I,
think
one
of
the
things
that
started
to
come
up
is
at
least
my
feeling
was
that
there
were
like
two
groups.
One
were
the
ones
that
were
more
focused
on
a
more
technical
I.
Don't
I
don't
know
if
I
well,
there
were
some
people
that
were
more
technical
and
focus
on
having
technical
discussions
and
others
that
were
more
trying
to
look
for
conversations
that
open
the
opportunities
like
understand.
A
D
A
So
I
think
the
last.
Let
me
I'm
gonna
read
this
question
from
Dietrich.
He
can
ask
it
again
next
week
if
he
doesn't
like
your
answers,
but
I'm
just
gonna
read
this
question
and
then
I'll.
Let
you
drop
answers
in
the
notes.
If
you
have
any
ideas
for
him
he's
asking,
if
anyone
has
pointers
to
systems
for
secure
and
audited
transport
of
medical
data
using
IP
FS
or
something
like
it.
So
if
you
have
any
ideas
there
and
go
into
meeting
notes
in
the
agenda
section
you'll
see
the
question
from
him.
A
You
can
drop
some
suggestions
under
for
him
to
look
at
will
give
them
a
chance
to
extend
more
on
that
next
time.
So
Nico
question
for
you,
I
think
I'm
just
reviewing
to
see
what
else
I
forgot
that
is
to
do
so
Nico
we
have
eight
minutes
left.
Would
you
like
to
talk
about
your
project
in
these
eight
minutes,
or
would
you
like
to
save
it
for
a
bigger
time
so
on
next
month's
fall?
What
do
you
feel
like
so.
D
A
A
K
We
haven't
anything
to
show
yet
and
Nick
has
caught
me
off
guard,
so
he
will
have
to
fill
in
the
gaps,
so
we
are
I
think
provoked
by
deep
web.
So
we
were
face.
We
had
some
money
from
a
PC
to
address
our
situation
in
the
Kalahari,
where
we
have
no
connectivity
to
at
all.
We
have
a
radio
station
there
that
it
hardly
comes
any
distances.
K
40
villages
like
I,
said
very
small
villages
or
stand
in
between
no
major
roads
in
between
no
tar
road.
For
you,
you
drive
for
about
four
hours
on
the
gravel
and
then
you
get
to
drive
another
couple
of
hours
through
the
sand.
So
what
we
wanted
was
a
mule
system.
Wasn't
we
weren't
sure
how
to
do
it?
We've
got
no
electricity.
K
Extreme
poverty
and
Namibia
is
on
the
Development
Index,
as
the
country
is
about
5.5,
which
makes
it
sort
of
a
lower
middle-income
country,
but
the
sand
people
are
3.5,
so
they
really
struggle
in
a
way
that
the
rest
of
the
country
doesn't
struggle
and
we
still
had
only
an
internet
Pinet
penetration
of
about
30
percent
of
the
population.
So
even
as
a
country
level
we're
not
very
good
and
then
when
it
comes
to
the
sand,
it's
just.
K
We
don't
have
anything
them
and
we
have
them
people
who
are
literate
in
the
land
and
literate
in
their
stories
in
their
history,
but
not
literate
in
textual
textual
systems
and
not
particularly
familiar
with
technology.
After
all,
they
don't
have
the
money
and
they
don't
have
a
connection.
So
that's
a
little
bit
of
our
context.
So
then
Nick
and
I
sort
of
brainstorm
different
ways.
We
could
do
this.
K
K
And
then
he
was
at
D
web
and
he
met
lo
Andrew,
lo
Andrew
who's
in
Brazil,
and
he
is
working
on
scuttlebutt
platform
for
indigenous
people
there
against
their
very
significant
environmental
concerns
that
we
have
been
watching
on
the
news
and
also
couple
of
guys
wanna
marry
guy
and
another
guy.
Who
is
a
supporter
of
Mary
Mary
people
who
are
also
using
scuttlebutt
for
a
cultural
preservation
project
much
longer
project.
K
So
luckily,
he
was
able
to
integrate
these
people
to
help
us
create
a
proof
of
concept
which
is
a
audio
social
media
system
by
which,
through
a
series
of
sort
of
naturalistic
movements,
for
example,
conservation
vehicle
goes
out
from
their
small
town
every
so
often
to
fix,
bore
holes
to
help.
If
there's
a
massive
emergency
of
tho
help
several
days
to
get
to
people
and
then
some
other
movements
like
Rangers
who
work
for
you,
know
tracking
animal
numbers,
because
it's
a
an
area
of
conserved
wildlife.
K
K
For
a
month,
a
system,
but
that
enables
people
to
across
the
course
of
about
two
weeks,
transfer
messages
from
one
of
the
40
villages
to
other
40
villages
and
one
of
the
other
portability
so
we're
using
it
kind
of
like
a
radio.
At
the
moment
we
don't
the
village
system
when
they
get
them
in
November
and.
K
K
D
Thank
You
Nick,
this
business
has
it
has
not
been
coordinated.
So
it's
the
beauty
of
working
with
people
that
you
resonate
with
so
just
to
fill
in
the
blanks.
In
the
technical
aspect,
we
are
using
security
Olivette
as
the
platform
for
doing
this.
Pigeon
network
approach
like
a
pass
stolen
forward,
a
situation
where
the
device
is
move
around
and
carry
messages
from
one
village
to
the
other,
and
there
is
a
specific
energy
put
in
you
using
digital
experience,
because
these
are
communities
that
don't
have
much.
D
Another
literacy
or
no
literacy
at
all,
so
the
efforts
in
making
the
platform
usable
and
also
owned
by
them,
the
decease.
The
other
thing
the
platform
is
owned
by
the
communities,
and
the
last
thing
that
I
want
to
add
is
that
this
is
a
collective
effort
in
between
initial
communities
that
are
far
apart
but
close
in
need.
D
This
initiative
is
being
lived
by
by
Nick's
team
and
the
need
of
the
Sun
people,
but
also
is
a
collaboration
from
Lou
Andrew
from
mini-mesh
in
Brazil.
That
I
put
the
link
to
one
rose:
scholar,
watt
identity
there
in
the
chat
and
also
from
Ben
from
I,
don't
remember,
which
indigenous
community
in
New
Zealand
from
mix
from
scholar,
watt
from
New
Zealand
from
Janice
to
mesh
community
radio
from
India,
and
there
are
a
few
other
initiatives
that
will
be
joining
shortly,
because
this
is
Annie.
D
A
A
I
I
That's
the
wrong
link.
It
will
fix
that
and
there
is
radical
networks
in
New
York
on
the
18th
or
20th
of
October
and
I.
Think
both
of
them
focus
on
a
lot
of
community
and
that's
work
stuff
and
they
are
quite
affordable,
they're
under
$100
I
think
possibly
even
under
50.
So
if
you're
around
come
check
them
out.
A
C
J
A
I'm
trying
to
copy
things
from
the
chat
over
to
that
document
as
I
go
to
try
to
make
sure
we
don't
miss
anything
awesome
I
feel
like
there
would
be
a
lot
more
to
dig
into
about
Nico
and
Nick's
project,
but
this
is
really
cool
to
hear.
So,
if
you
think
you
want
to
do
it
like
a
longer
talk
or
dig
into
some
of
the
technical
details
that
would
be
interesting
to
people,
we
could
schedule
you
for
the
September
call.
A
A
It's
fun
to
hear
the
quick
tidbits
as
people
introduce
themselves,
but
if
any
of
you
would
like
to
introduce
us
in
more
depth
to
this
of
one
of
the
projects,
you're
working
on
that
would
be
really
cool,
so
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
me,
yeah
and
I
will
see
you
I
will
double
check
the
dates
and
post
a
new
issue
in
our
github.
So
the
best
thing
for
you
to
do.
If
you
want
to
make
sure
you
don't
miss,
any
meetings
is
to
watch
the
github
repo
for
this.