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From YouTube: 2020 06 29 Jenkins Docs Office Hours
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Jenkins documentation office hours June 29, 2020 with topics related to Google Season of Docs and potential CommunityBridge sponsored documentation development projects.
B
Thank
you
very
much
for
clarifying
who
is
sponsoring
this,
but
just
as
a
full-up
I
know
that
our
last
Friday
we
mentioned
about
community
bridge
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
timeline
is
clarified.
Is
it
in
parallel?
Will
rules
is
no
Brooks
doesn't
go
after
or
before?
What
is
the
sequence
and
it's.
A
They
are,
they
are
independent
of
one
another
in
terms
of
timeline,
and
so
the
google
season
of
docks
has
certainly
got
a
much
better
start,
because
it's
an
organized
program,
systematic
we're
already
well
into
it.
I
we
would
have
to
in
order
to
get
funding
for
a
community
bridge
project.
We
have
to
go
to
the
jenkins
board.
The
jenkins
board
would
then
have
to
approve
that
that
funding
then
we
negotiated
with
community
bridge,
so
I
would
expect
most
likely
it
is
slightly
after
or
concurrent
to
season
of
docks.
A
It
certainly
will
not
proceed
season
of
dogs.
I,
don't
think
we
could
get
be
the
machinery
running
fast
enough
to
have
it
happen
before
season
of
dock
starts
big
gal
Nell
and
again
it's
all
contingent
on
funding.
Therefore,
the
crucial
question
is:
is
the
Jenkins
board
willing
to
approve
the
funding
of
this,
and
that
depends
on
what
the
the
budget
balances
are
at
the
Jenkins
board?.
A
I
guess
is
it
correct,
yeah
the
timeline,
the
timeline
for
discussions
about
Community
Bridge
were
probably
happening
about
the
same
time
that
we're
doing
the
evaluations
of
google
season
of
docks
project
so
July
9th.
You
is
your
deadline
to
submit
your
your
project
proposals.
That's
also
the
beginning
of
the
evaluation
period.
That's
a
that's
a
really
good
time
for
the
Jenkins
project.
To
then
be
considering
all
right,
we're
evaluating
all
the
project
proposals
which
of
those
should
we
recommend
to
google
season
of
Docs
and
which
of
them.
A
C
C
A
A
Oh
yes,
yes,
in
fact,
this
is
the
project
description.
Here
you
go
so
you
can.
You
could
actually
read
about
the
project
that
we
ran
last
year
through
community
bridge,
one
of
our
one
of
our
potential
google
season
of
docs
mentors
for
this
year.
Is
this
students
Layton
Nunez,
who
was
a
student
last
year
on
on
community
bridge?
So
we
ran
this
project
last
year
through
community
bridge
and
you
can
read
about
it
and
see,
see
things
that
Battelle
the
story
of
it
read
about
his
blog
posts,
etc.
C
D
E
A
A
A
We
want
to
reuse
the
google
google
season
of
docs
proposals
and
and
admit
that
they're
good
project
proposals,
because
they
describe
what
you
want
to
do,
how
long
you
think
it's
going
to
take
what
resources
you'll
need,
so
that
they're
so
effective
as
a
plan
that
they
make
a
good
plan
for
community
bridge
if
we
don't
use
them
for
season
of
dogs.
Okay,.
B
Bridge
mark
I
just
wanted
one
more
time
to
clarify
so
I
guess.
Besides
budget,
there
may
be
other
limitations
for
community
which
bridge
project
which
may
be
clarified
by
by
the
board
of
Jenkins
project,
and
if
those
there
are
some
limitations,
they
will
be
announced
closer
to
like
end
of
summer
time.
A
Right
right,
the
the
board,
the
process
by
which
the
board
selects
projects
or
which
they
choose
to
fund
and
effort,
is
something
that
has
to
be
negotiated
with
the
board.
Yes,
absolutely
and,
and
it
is
then
within
the
within
the
rights
of
the
board.
So
members
of
the
board
include
oleg
natasha
of
he's
the
key
leader
and
eric
Hoffner
from
technical
university
in
germany,
alex
Earl
from
Broadcom
corporation
in
actually
in
Arizona,
in
the
United
States,
and
one
oh
and
kohsuke
kawaguchi
and
Tyler
boy.
A
B
A
Okay,
great:
let's
go
on
to
the
next
topic,
then
all
right.
So,
let's
see
we
talked
about
community
bridge.
We've
talked
about
timeline
Oh.
Is
there
an
ability
for
contributors
to
participate
in
both
I
suspect,
not
I
would
assume.
If
you
were
selected
for
google
season
of
docks,
you
would
you
would
be
excluded
from
consideration
for
community
bridge
I
bet
she's.
A
Doing
something
else
is
a
large
commitment
of
your
time
and
then
saying
oh
we'd,
like
you
to
give
another
10
or
20
hours
a
week
to
a
community
bridge
project
seems
unreasonable,
so
I
would
expect
that
the
other
is
we
like
to
when
we're
using
funds
from
the
project
we
like
to
spread
them
around
so
as
well,
I
think
on
other
limitations,
I've
described,
oh
go
ahead.
Jonathan
can.
C
A
Okay,
let's
go
onto
google
season
of
docks,
then
so
reminder
July,
9
and
I.
Believe
it's
1800
UTC
it's
6:00
p.m.
UTC
is
the
application
deadline.
You
must
submit
your
application.
They
do
not
allow
anything
after
their
deadline
and
I,
wouldn't
even
trust
that
you
should
plan
to
submit
July
8
right,
absolutely
do
not
risk
missing
the
deadline.
After
all,
the
work
you've
put
into
it.
We
are
in
the
review
process
now
for
proposals.
A
Proposals
are
sent
to
the
sent
as
a
Google
Doc
to
the
Jenkins
Docs
mailing
list
right
and
then
reviewers
I'm
in
on
the
docs
I'm
into
my
second
second
review.
Now,
I
expect
to
get
additional
reviews
done
likely
before
end
of
day
tomorrow.
So
so
watch
your
doc
if
you've
submitted
one.
If
you
have
not
submitted
one,
it's
really.
It
is
very
wise
to
submit
one
so
that
we
can
give
you
feedback.
A
A
So
I've
been
seeing
his
comments
and
and
that's
great
he's
currently
on
holiday.
He
is
walking
hiking
through
the
Alps
right
now,
so
he's
taking
a
few
days
off
of
well-deserved
time
off
and
enjoying
time.
So
the
July
9
application
deadline
after
July
9
July
9
through
let's
double
check
what
the
date
is
season
of.
Doc's
timeline,
the
next
big
event
there
is:
let's
read
it
here:
July
9
to
13
is
the
review
period
for
the
organization.
A
A
B
What
would
be
the
best
approach
in
case
if
you
can
recommend
something
mark,
it's
possible
for
a,
for
example,
to
start
implementing
kind
of
writing
documentation
along
your
proposals
right
now,
without
waiting,
till
selection
process
will
be
over
or
just
it's
better
to
wait
to
not
do
like
well,
the
media
unconfirmed
work,
unimproved
and
so
on.
What
would
be
like
if
there
are
any
suggestions
own.
A
On
that,
well,
every
proposal
I've
seen
has
been
very
useful.
We
would
take
it
whether
or
not
it
was
selected
as
part
of
google
season
of
Docs.
So
if
you
were
to
start
on
something
incremental
work
wise
and
contributed
as
Paul
requests,
the
project
will
be
delighted,
so
I
would,
if
you
have
capacity,
we
would
love
to
have
your
contribution.
Whether
or
not
it's
in
the
context
of
google
season
of
Docs.
So
does.
Does
that
address
your
question?
A
Glad
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
you
should
hold
back
in
the
interest
of
trying
to
show
a
very
fast
start,
I
think
that
would
actually
be
a
flawed
way
to
do
it
if
you've
got
capacity
at
the
moment.
Use
that
capacity
and-
and
it's
a
great
way
to
well
one
of
the
things
for
me-
is
it's
a
great
way
to
show
you're
in
in
the
community
by
showing
hey
I'm
continuing
to
submit
pull
requests
during
this
this
period.
This
is
not
just
me
writing
proposals
here,
I'm
submitting
pull
requests
that
show
that
I'm
involved.
A
Yes,
yes,
you
have
beautiful.
Words
have
not
been
spoken.
That
was
brilliant,
yes,
is
there?
Is
there
too
much
work
to
do
always?
Will
we
always
have
more
things
to
do?
Always
absolutely
so
so?
Yes,
any
anything,
you
contribute
with
that.
Well,
let's,
let's
take
one
simple
sample:
the
the
wiki
to
to
Jenkins
thought.
Io
transition
spreadsheet
covers
roughly
one-third
or
maybe
1/4
of
the
total
pages
that
are
candidates.
A
I
was
just
reading
one
today
of
a
piece
where,
in
a
wiki
transition
somebody
wrote
one
sentence
and
I
thought
that
is
the
most
interesting
sentence
and
I
went
looking
and
it
turned
into
a
four
sentence
or
five
sentence,
paragraph
with
twenty
minutes
of
reading
behind
it
to
understand
why
those
sentences
should
be
inserted.
It
was
one
single
phrase
and
it
became,
but
he
was
oh
wow.
That's
an
important
piece
of
information.
I
wonder
where
that
came
from
no
one
had
ever
documented
it.
A
F
A
A
Like
that
question,
Steven
I'm,
going
to
try
to
rephrase
your
question
just
to
be
sure
that
I've
understood
it
I
think
what
you
asked
is:
can
an
inexperienced
technical
writer
be
part
of
google
season
of
dogs
right
so
and
I
would
put
it
as
two
forms:
either.
No
Jenkins
experience
I,
think
that
was
what
you
had
described
or
potentially
the
ELSA
was
hey.
I
may
not
have
any
a
may
not
have
been
had
a
technical
writing
experience.
No
significant
technical
writing
experience
and
the
answer
to
both
is
no
Jenkins.
Experience
is
sort
of
expected.
A
This
is
largely
expected
right
that
most
technical
writers
have
not
used
Jenkins.
Most
of
them
have
no
experience
with
it
and
they're
very
good
at
writing,
and
very
good
at
describing
concepts
and
framing
framing
things,
and
but
what
they're
bringing
their
expertise
in
writing
and
Jenkins.
Experts
like
me
and
other
mentors
will
help
with
how
to
how
to
be
sure
that
that's
a
successful
experience
for
them.
A
So
now
no
technical
writing
experience
is
less
likely
to
be
successful
because
Google
season
of
Docs
is
tuned
is
is
focused
on
its.
What
I
would
call
experienced
technical
writers
now,
just
because
it's
focused
on
them
does
not
mean
you
can't
succeed
if
you're
not
an
experienced
technical
writer,
but
it
is
that's
their
focus.
They've
said
hey.
We
would
like
to
get
experienced
technical
writers
with
little
open
source
experience
into
open
source
communities,
so
their
their
goal
is,
is
helping
open
source
communities
with
people
who
know
how
to
write
so
Steven.
A
Yeah
so
now
now
no
Jenkins
experience
now.
This
is
a
great
time
to
get
some
experience
with
Jenkins
right,
particularly
during
this
this
period
of
the
Google
season
of
Doc's
process.
This
is
a
great
time
to
explore
it
to
test-drive
tutorials,
see
how
they
break
down
to
test-drive
small
little
experiments
that
you
can
then
discard.
A
A
I
hope
to
be
done
within
one
to
two
days
and
you'll,
see
on
your
individual
document.
My
comments
as
I
make
them.
So
the
the
comments
are
live
and
visible
because
we
use
public
documents.
You
can
see
everybody's
documents
actually,
so
you
can
go
browse
them
and
see
hey.
What
did
he
comment
about
that
proposal?
What
was
the
what
did
Oleg
say
about
this?
Those
kind
of
things
are
all
available
to
you.
It's
the
power
of
public
review.
A
C
Plan
project
is
running
right
and
but
that's
that
question
calls
meditation
calls
meditation
because,
for
example,
we
put
what
I
doubt
rate
the
number
for
100
pages,
but
our
woodworker
can't
be
impacted
because
we
have
a
delayed
and
review
so
to
resolve
that
point.
I
propose
I,
call
the
responsibility,
a
responsibility
to
me
so,
for
example,
if
I
send
to
Jake's
organization,
100
PR
out
PR
about
the
hikmah
creation
and
the
fidelity
of
the
Dukas
google
season
period,
I
really
finish
them.
C
A
It's
less
clear
to
you,
I
think
so
so
I
think
what
you're
asking
is
do
would
Google
season
of
darks.
Consider
the
thing
successful
if
the
receiving
organization
failed
in
its
responsibility
to
give
timely
feedback?
Is
that
a
fair
way,
fair
way
to
say
it?
Yeah,
yes,
very
way,
yeah
and
I
think
they
would
so
part
of
part
of
the
Doc's
consider
a
a
project
done,
even
if
the
mentoring
organization
failed
in
its
responsibilities.
A
A
A
A
So
so
and
then
there
is
this
additional
option
for
long-running
projects.
If
we
have
project
submissions
that
need
more
than
the
the
September
to
November
to
end
of
November.
So
let's
see
so.
This
is
about
ten
weeks
right,
four
weeks
in
November
four
weeks
in
October
yeah.
So
this
is
roughly
a
ten
week
project.
G
C
A
A
Right,
absolutely
yeah,
that's
a
good
point,
so
I
think
that's
a
very
practical,
practical
question
and
Mark
has
the
action
item
to
learn
more
study
more
about
how
the
decisions
are
made
is
I
would
assume
that
we
would
not
expect
you
to
be
on
a
long-running
project
unless
you
were
fully
aware
that
you
were
submitting
a
proposal
for
a
long-running
project
and
the
organization
agrees.
Yes,
it's
a
long-running
project.
A
C
A
C
A
B
A
The
sequence
of
this
a
good
good
question:
this
is
my
first
experience
with
google
season
of
docs
having
been
accepted,
but
I
believe
what
it
is
is
there
is:
there
is
a
pass/fail
and
if
passed,
then
reimbursement
is
made
in
addition
to
pass/fail
there's
we
do
things
like
we'll
blog.
The
changes
that
have
been
brought
about
this
will
usually
have
the
the
person
who
was
the
writer
act
as
a
conference
speaker
bring
them
to
invite
them
to
speak
at
various
online,
meetups
or
other
conference
locations
to
say,
hey.
A
We
would
like
you
to
talk
to
this
last
year,
for
instance,
with
google
summer
Summer
of
Code,
we
had
two
of
the
students
that
flew
to
Portugal
to
report
at
DevOps
world
and
they
did
presentations
there
and
it's
a
very,
very
good
thing,
because
it
brings
a
new
contributor
to
the
community.
Someone
who
this
was
their
first
major
effort
in
the
Jenkins
project
can
share
their
insights,
what
it
meant
to
work
in
the
project
and
what
they
learned
and
what
was
hard
and
what
was
easy.
A
So
yes,
so
those
are.
Those
are
the
kinds
of
things
that
typically
happen
in.
That
is
yes,
we'll
definitely
have
you
do
a
we
would
have
people
do
a
presentation
likely
several
a
likely
presentations
conference
settings
and
a
blog
post
to
say:
hey,
look
at
this,
here's
here's
what
what
we've
made
progress
on,
etc.
Mm-Hmm,
oh.
B
A
E
E
What
I'm
saying
is
like?
Are
there
any
shortcomings?
A
lot
long-term
projects
like
ten
and
a
proposal
be
intentionally
aimed
it
like
is
the
time
can
be
six-month
time
and
the
project.
Any
proposal
can
be
framed
with
the
time
frame
of
six
months
or
are
there
any
special
benefits
or
special
shortcoming?
The
of
long-running
project
over
the
short
film
which
has
pre
month
in
it
and.
A
That's
a
very
good
question.
Unfortunately,
I
don't
have
enough
experience
to
give
an
honorable
answer.
The
the
I
I
would
think
of
the
the
typical
risks
from
long-running
projects.
Are
the
typical
risks
of
any
long-running
project
right?
So
long-running
projects
are
easier
to
slip.
Happy
miss
schedules
more
easily
right.
They
just
tend
to
longer
longer
the
project,
the
more
likely
it
is
to
to
miss
it
schedules.
A
So
there
are,
there
are
strengths
and
weaknesses
to
each
I,
apologize
that
that
isn't
a
really
good
answer
to
the
question,
because
I
think
what
you
were
asking
was
in
the
specifics
of
the
Jenkins
organization
and
Google
season
of
Docs.
Is
there
a
reason
why
you
should
choose
a
to
write
for
a
long-running
running
project
plan
or
a
regular
length
project
plan
and
I?
Don't
have
a
good
answer
for
that?
I'll
discuss
it
further
with
with
colleagues
and
see
if
they've
got
some
insights
that
can
be
offered.
E
E
A
D
E
D
D
C
D
A
C
A
B
Requirements
may
change
while
we're
proposing
making
some
proposals
tuned
to
Google
by
requirements.
I
mean
environment,
for
instance.
We
discussed
in
the
previous
meetings
possibility
of
providing
hardware
in
case.
If
we're
looking
for
deployment,
let's
say
to
Amazon
Cloud
something
this
who
is
going
to
host,
who
is
going
to
pay
and
how
technical
writers
will
access
the
infrastructure
in
case
they
need
to
implement
so
how
we
communicate
to
Google
in
case
if
there
is
change
requirements
during
the
process
of
implementation
trace.
A
A
We
expect
that
we
will
learn
things
as
we're
doing
the
project
that
we
didn't
know
before
we
started
it
and
therefore
we
will
use
what
we
learned
to
adapt
and
refine
the
project
and
I
would
think
something
similar
here
as
well,
though
many
of
the
topics
in
season
of
Docs
are
better
more
more
clearly
well
known
or
clearly
understood
than
some
of
the
coding
projects
we've
embarked
on.
Some
of
the
coding
and
projects
we've
embarked
on
were
were
rather
optimistic,
hopeful
or
the
phrase
blue
sky.
You
know
not
entirely
sure
how
to
do
it.
A
A
And
limitations
on
changes
that
one
I
don't
have
a
sense
of
if,
if
the
project
accepted
your
proposal,
your
project
plan,
but
then
came
back
to
you
later
and
said
no,
we
want
you
to
completely
do
something
entirely.
Different
I
suspect,
Google
would
step
in
and
say
that
is
bad
behavior
and
they
would
likely
do
things
like
three
and
to
drop
us
from
the
program
because
they
you
know
they.
You
did
all
this
work
to
create
a
plan.
We
did
the
work
to
review
the
plan,
and
then
we
decided
to
throw
the
plan
away.
G
A
So
one
last
item:
there
is
an
upcoming
meeting
for
Mentors
I've
sent
an
invitation
or
what
I
call
a
poll
I
would
like
to
have
more
mentors
than
we
have
right
now,
because
the
complexities
of
the
world
right
now
with
coronavirus,
make
it
so
that
we
just
can't
always
guarantee
that
everyone
will
always
be
available,
and
so
I'm
I'm
actively
recruiting
mentors
can
be
added
at
anytime
during
the
project.
So
it's
not
that
we
have
to
obtain
all
the
mentors
upfront
and
we're
not
allowed
to
change
them,
we're
not
allowed
to
add.
C
A
Thought
let
me
put
that
down,
yes,
could
could
a
could
a
technical
writer
act
as
a
mentor,
if
not
accepted
as
a
writer
and
I?
That's
a
brilliant
idea.
I!
Don't
know
why?
Not!
Yes,
that's
I!
Think
that's
very
good.
It's
the!
What
we
need
in
mentors
is
Jenkins
skills
and
if
you've
got
Jenkins
skills
or
are
willing
to
rapidly
develop
them.
That
would
there
would
be
no
reason
you
couldn't
act
as
a
mentor.
Yeah.
C
C
A
No,
you
can
you
could
you
well,
it
would
be.
It
would
be
great
to
have
you
join
this
up
if
you
have
interest
in
being
a
mentor
having
you
join
this
this
meeting
about
mentoring
would
be
a
great
thing
to
do.
If
you
don't
join
the
meeting,
you
still
are
welcome
to
be
a
mentor.
There's
not
it's
not
that
you
must
attend
this
meeting
in
order
to
be
allowed
to
mentor.
Quite
the
opposite.
If
you
have
interest
in
mentoring
at
any
point
in
the
in
the
project,
we're
willing
to
consider
adding
mentors.
Okay.
A
That
was
that
was
a
really
great
question.
I
I
liked
that
I
had
not
thought
of
turning
it
on
its
on
its
head.
We,
for
instance,
we
would
not
do
that
with
google
Summer
of
Code,
because
we
wouldn't
ask
invite
a
student
with
no
Jenkins
experience
to
become
a
mentor
right,
they're
not
going
to
succeed,
but
with
skilled
technical
writers.
It
actually
is
possible
and-
and
a
number
of
writers
already
have
Jenkins
experience,
so
they
could
become
mentors
and
could
be
quite
valuable
as
mentors.
C
A
Question
we
could
what
if
we
said,
let
me
look
at
my
calendar:
I'm
gonna
bring
it
up
on
another
screen
in
case
there's
something
sensitive
on
it.
But
let
me
look
at
my
calendar
because
there's
there's
nothing
preventing
us
from
having
an
additional
office
hours
sessions
between
now
and
July
9.
So
July
9
is
a
Thursday,
so
we
will
meet
the
6th
of
July.
We
could.