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A
Welcome
everyone:
it's
the
it's
the
11th
of
february
in
the
area
where
we're
focused
today,
so
it's
early
morning,
11th
of
february.
This
is
documentation
office
hours,
it's,
I
think,
7
30
a.m,
india
standard
time.
So,
thanks
for
being
here,
everyone
and
topics
I've
got
on
the
agenda.
Typos
with
gavin
mogan
news.
A
Jenkins
is
the
way
content
gavin's
been
our
creator
there
and
then
google
summer
of
code.
If
we've
got
any
topics
there
and
she
called
africa
contribute
on
that's
me
and
then
the
linux
installer,
switching
to
system
d
is
a
worthwhile
topic
for
discussion
about
how
do
we
communicate,
etc?.
A
And
then
meg
should
we
have
something
for
open,
prs.
A
Okay,
so
yeah
and
bring
in
the
list
great
all
right,
diraj,
anything
any
topics
you
wanted
to
bring.
A
A
A
There
there
have
been
multiple
phases
of
ui
changes
right,
so
we
had.
We
had
the
switch
from
tables
to
divs
for
layout.
That
happened
about
nine
months
ago
and
in
the
2.319
series
we
had
some
some
ui
improvements
now
in
2.332
there's
another
set
of
ui
improvements,
and
this
is
the
next
generation
after
that.
So
the
march
lts
will
have
one
layer
of
ui
improvements
and
then
another
layer
happens
in
the
june
lts.
B
A
B
D
I
did
bring
that
topic
up
as
a.
I
think
it
was
cheat
codes,
africa
idea,
but
at
some
point
making
notes,
maybe
not
doing
it
yet,
but
yeah
automate
the
screenshot
process.
Just
by
like
writing
down.
First
steps
would
be
writing
down
how
you
get
to
it
right
so
like
a
metadata
somewhere
in
the
ascii
doc
or
a
december
yama
file,
or
something
just
so
that
the
next
person
who
takes
it
knows
how
to
repeat
it,
and
then
a
later
project
could
be
taking
that
data
and
actually
automating
it.
D
B
Yeah
that
reminds
me
a
quick
one.
I
don't
want
to
go
down
a
primrose
path,
but
I
just
happened
to
check
the
cd
slack
channel
this
week
and
there's
a
whole
slew
of
new
people
that
have
shown
up
there.
I
think
they're.
Looking
at
summer
of
code,
I
was
almost
tempted
to
go
on
yesterday
and
say
something
hey
we're
glad
you're
here
and
if
any
of
you
are
interested
in
any
documentation,
work
we'd
love
to
have.
You
join
us
at
office
hours,
but
I
thought
I
didn't.
A
Oh
good
well
so,
and
we'd
used
cdf
slack
channel
in
the
past
for
for
google
summer
of
code.
So
we
may
want
to.
Let
me
talk
that
over
with
mark
to
discuss
with
john
mark
and
alissa,
because
certainly
we've
had
good
attendance
at
our
office
hours
for
google
summer
of
code.
But
if
there
are
people
on
the
slack
channels,
we
can
help
them
by
pointing
them
towards
towards
other
locations.
Yeah
great.
B
D
But
I
don't
think,
there's
a
really
problem
to
invite
them,
though,
like
you
can
next
time
someone
shows
up
you're,
like
you
know,
hey
cool,
welcome
to
cdf.
You
know
you
know,
I
I
help
out
with
the
jenkins
project,
we're
always
looking
for
new
members.
You
can
come
and
hang
out
with
us
or
just
learn
from
us
or
you
know
like.
D
B
A
We
can,
we
can
certainly
answer
there.
The
in
the
past,
the
last
year's
gsoc
projects
were
five
of
the
six
that
they
ran
were
from
cdf
were
jenkins
projects,
and
so
they
may
be
there
just
thinking
that
hey.
This
is
where
the
jenkins
project
will
be
again,
and
so
it's
no
reason
we
can't
respond
there.
Good
good,
pointer.
C
Yes,
so
since
we
have
discussed
this
topic,
the
screenshot
description
that
you
mentioned
actually
might
I
want
to
discuss
the
same
thing
as
well
under
gsoc
officers,
topic?
Okay,
so
my
question
is
yes,
so
my
question
is
I'm
trying
to
understand
that?
Would
this
be
a
good
g-stock
idea,
or
is
it
like
very
easy
to
implement?
I
know
we
discussed,
but
it
was.
The
conversation
was
really
fast
for
me
to
understand.
D
Never
gotten
involved
with
g-stock
before
so
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that.
There
there's
lots
of
tools
out
there
to
automate
the
browser,
so
I
don't
think
that's
hard.
The
hard
part
would
be
taking
something:
that's
human
readable
like
a
yaml
file
or
a
ascii
doc
or
somebody
else,
and
then
re-implement
those
steps
and
then
save
the
screenshot.
D
I
don't
know
I'd
like
I
can.
I
could
do
it
because
I
have
a
lot
of
experience
in
this
from
past
jobs.
It'd
probably
take
me
a
couple
hour
a
couple
weeks,
maybe
less
and
so
a
new
new
person
to
end
this
would
be
new
to
just
about
anyone.
So
I
would
say
it's
probably
a
month
or
two
of
you
know
six
to
eight
hours.
So
if
that's
something
that
a
g-shock
is
sized,
then
yeah
that
sounds
good.
D
If
not,
I
can
always
help
out
someone
doing
it
quicker
and
smaller
or
I'll
end
up
doing
it
someday.
When
I'm
frustrated
like.
D
D
A
We
we
certainly
can
for
the
mentors.
The
mentors
certainly
have
known
time
zones,
and
we
can
they
can
describe
when
they're
available
and
when
they're
not.
G
A
D
D
And
videos
then
yeah.
I
would
say
absolutely
I'm
just
talking
about
screenshots
here,
but
there's
probably
a
lot
of
things.
There's
you
know
things
that
mark
has
made
videos
for
that.
We
could
do
the
same
thing,
expand
it
after
the
fact
and
say
cool.
Now,
we've
got
screenshots.
Now
we
want
to
do
a
screen
recording.
D
So
this
concept
is
really
just
about
taking
screenshots,
but
a
screen.
A
video
is
just
a
collection
of
screen
shots.
So
selenium,
I
don't
know:
if
selenium
does
it
natively?
But
it's
not
hard
to
say.
Okay,
we
take
a
screenshot
every
time
you
click
on
a
new
action,
and
then
you
build
that
into
a
video.
And
that's
I
mean
it's
not
hard
code.
It's
just
literally
saying:
okay,
these
10
screenshots
run
it
five
seconds
apart.
Now
it's
a
video
or
now
it's
a
gift,
so
we
start
with
screenshots.
D
C
D
So
some
of
the
tutorial
videos
again-
this
is
just
I
can
you
know
I
can
spend
the
next
year
coming
up
with
ideas
to
extend
this,
so
I
wouldn't
go
too
far
into
it,
but
we
can
always
find
more
things
to
do
if
we
run
out.
If
we
finish
something
too
quickly,
imagine
replacing
mark
with
full
scripts
that
auto
narrate
every
time
a
new
version
of
jackets
comes
out.
D
I'm
very
much
in
and
in
the
very
much
in
the
do
one
tiny
piece
instead
of
trying
to
sell
the
whole
thing,
so
you
know
I've
spent
the
last
year
trying
to
get
those
preview
environments
working
for
this
reason,
so
that
you
could
see
what
a
docs
when
someone
makes
a
submission
you
can
be
like.
Oh,
I
can
see
this
instead
of
guessing
what
it
looks
like.
D
D
B
D
A
C
Yes,
so
some
of
them
are
answers.
I
have
two
more
so
first
one
is,
I
didn't
want
to
get
too
technical,
but
just
wondering
like
how
would
you
get
the
steps
from
a
yaml
file
like
what
kind
of
steps
are
we
talking
about
there,
and
what
do
you
want
to
do
with
that?.
D
D
You
know
this
might
be
something
you
know
if
if
mark
has
done
the
last
10
screenshots,
this
would
be
really
nice
for
someone
like
meg
to
come
around
and
go
okay.
These
are
my
instructions
and
the
next
person
writes
down
the
next
instructions
and
then,
after
you,
two
or
three
people
do
it
then
you're
like
okay
cool
these
instructions
make
sense.
We
can
build
a
program
from
this
and
then
from
there.
The
next
screenshot
becomes
easier,
because
we
have
example
right.
A
D
And
something
like
cab
not
spell
it
capybara
in
ruby
is
the
same
sort
of
thing
right.
There
very.
C
D
B
B
So
you
do
the
little
thing
where
you
sort
of
cut
out
the
middle
of
it
and
you
make
it
look
like
a
torn
page
so
that
they
can
see
the
top
of
the
screen
and
the
bottom
of
the
screen,
but
have
a
small
size
size.
Or
we
have
some
where
you
just
take
a
corner
of
the
screenshot
and
want
to
point
that
out.
So
we
also
need
to
like
the
coordinates
of
the
screen,
whether
we're
taking
the
whole
screen
or
a
part
of
it.
D
D
This,
the
the
more
you
artistic
licensing
which
is
like
you,
know,
splitting
up
a
page
chopping
it
up.
That
would
be
more
difficult,
but
there
are
tools,
image,
library,
tools
that
you
can
apply
effects
to
and
do
things
too.
So
it's
all
doable.
I
wouldn't
do
it
in
the
first
phase.
B
B
Yeah
and
that's
it
because
then
I'm
wondering
how
and
to
have
something
to
that
your
average
writer,
because
I'm
not
a
graphics
person
at
all,
I
can
take
sort
of.
I
can
look
at
the
screen
and
say
I
want
that
and
take
a
shot
and
we've
got
it.
But
how
do
I
specify
this
in
a
way
that
it
will
be
to
be
automatically
updated
yeah,
so
I
mean.
D
B
B
C
Awesome
and
last
question
when
we
were
talking
about
this
project
idea
like
a
few
minutes
ago,
initially,
you
gavin,
you
mentioned
a
product,
some
tool
that
you've
been
using
to
do
this
in
your
previous
job.
I
was
not
able
to
catch
it.
Yeah.
D
I
mean
I
used
to
work
at
sauce
labs,
which
is
a
selenium
grid
provider.
So
you
know
I've
used
selenium,
but
there's
also
capybara,
which
is
a
what
do
you
call
it
a
layer
on
top
of
selenium
for
ruby,
there's
puppeteer
microsoft
has
a
new
one
as
well,
so
I
mean
there's
lots
of
tools.
Some
of
them
are
selenium.
Some
of
them
are
something
else.
A
D
When
I'm
looking
at
trying
to
rewrite
jenkins.io,
there's
a
bunch
of
tools
out
there
that
will
compare
images
and
screenshots
and
you
can
actually
highlight
oh
this
screenshot
changed.
Did
you
know
that
we
meant
to
make
this?
I
don't
know
if
that's
necessary
for
this
project,
because
this
one's
more
about
making
the
screenshots
right.
D
Okay,
so
selenium
is
its
own
protocol.
Cavibar,
I
think,
uses
selenium
puppeteer,
I
think
uses
webdriver,
which
is
the
new
official
standard
instead
of
the
hacked
version,
and
I
believe
cyprus
uses
red
driver
as
well.
D
C
D
C
A
Care
what
language
it's
expressed?
Yeah!
I
mean
it's
because
this
thing
this
thing
has
this
is
not
much
different
in
terms
of
where
context
will
run
than
the
pipeline
step,
stock
generator
or
the
you
know,
they're
just
separate
tools
that
we
run
and
we
their
results,
get
grabbed
by
the
the
build
process
and
put
into
the
site.
So
if,
if
you
wanted
to
do
it
in
python,
I
I
don't.
D
Yeah,
admittedly
yeah,
in
fact
I
would
say
it
should
be
separate
than
the
docs,
because
it
should
create
a
pr
with
the
docs
right.
It
shouldn't
be
run
every
time
the
docs
generated
it
should
be
run
every
time
we
trigger
a
lease,
or
you
know
once
a
month
or
something
like
that
right
right.
It's
certainly
not
a
pr.
A
Driven
yeah
generator
right
it
shouldn't.
It
definitely
should
not
happen
every
pr.
So
I
think
mark
is
saying
he
wants
to
do
an
arrest.
G
Yeah
they'll
say
like
just:
let's
make
sure
that
we
just
can
have
people
who
will
maintain
it
too,
because
it's
a
great.
A
D
A
A
Back
to
your
question,
dhiraj
did:
are
there
other
questions?
You've
got.
A
I'm
clear
for
now:
okay,
so
it
could
be,
it
could
be
most
any
language
and-
and
I
think
because
it
is
a
separate
tool
right
so
yeah
now
back
all
joking
aside,
I'm
not
sure
I'm
ready
to
take
russ
into
the
code
base
just
because
I
don't.
I
think
we
have
quantity
near
zero.
Rus
programmers
in
the
team
in
the
in
the
jenkins.
D
D
C
D
A
Yeah-
okay,
yes,
all
right!
So
so
I'm
going
to
rewind
back
into
the
earlier
pieces
of
the
agenda,
so
gavin
has
created
a
typo
checking
tool
that
is
now
actively
used
on
jenkins.io
pull
request.
It
checks,
spelling-
and
it
tells
us
when
poll
requests
to
that.
I
o
have
spelling
errors.
Gavin,
do
you
want
to
do
a
demo
of
this?
Would
you
want
to
do
immediately.
A
D
But
I
mean
where
do
I
have
one
open?
Let's
see
quickly,
I've.
D
Here
I
found
a
you
know:
I
I
involved
with
a
couple
open
source
projects
and
one
of
them
is
home
assistant
and
they
just
enabled
this
on
theirs
and
they're
very
excited
and
which
got
me
very
excited
because
I'm
easily
excitable
and
yeah,
it
was
just
a
it's,
a
very
quick
github
action
that
will
come
in
and
run
through
very
very
quickly,
all
the
all
the
files
are
confined,
and
it's
it's
a
code
aware
spell
checker.
D
A
B
D
It's
this
one
spell
check
either
one
of
those
two
will
work
yeah
so
yeah.
It
was
a
simple
little
github
action.
I
I
you
know
copied
from
someone
else
and
then
it's
a
matter
of
because
we
have
a
lot
of
old
docs
was
going
they're,
pretty
noisy
and
there's
a
lot
of
lang
like
names,
proper
names
that
I
couldn't
figure
out
how
to
ignore.
So
I
just
ignored
the
entire
file-
it's
not
great,
but
it's
not
the
worst
and
then
when
I
did
that
I
just
ran
the
auto
fix.
D
So
I
went
through
and
auto
fixed
all
the
almost
all
of
these,
and
then
I
think,
mark
daniel,
and
I
went
through
a
pass
and
manual
fixes
anything
that
you
know
the
world
was
changed
the
wrong
one
and
then
now
it
should
stay
green
until
we
come
up
with
something
really
obscure,
but
there's
yeah
there's
a
lot
of
little
things
that
typoed
over
the
years
that
we
didn't
notice,
I
saw
jira
tags
were
typoed.
A
D
So
you
know
this
was
a
first
pass.
I
thought
we
could
do
it
here
and
it
was
a
fairly
good
success
so
that
one's
one
of
the
ones.
That
was
not
a
success
that
set
sir
thing.
Oh.
F
D
Yeah
the
actual
function
class
name
is
sir
not
set.
Oh.
D
It's
somewhat
grammar
aware
so
I
mean,
and
it's
constantly
improving,
like
they're
doing
prs
all
the
time
and
yeah.
So
I'm
I
did
this
as
a
kind
of
like.
Can
we
do
it
and
it
passed
and
I'm
really
excited
about
it.
So
we
hooked
it
up,
and
so
I
am
sorely
seeing
if
I
can
hook
it
up
to
the
the
jet
as
well.
So
the
jenkins
enhancement,
protocol
or
proposals
proposals
and
maybe
even
jenkins
itself,
because
there's
a
lot
of
html
files
that
have
typos
in
them.
We
could
fix
up
as
well.
D
So
I
do
want
to
get
this
embedded
into
the
pr,
because
right
now
to
find
out
what
was
wrong.
You
have
to
go
click
into
the
action
and
stuff
like
that.
So
I
might
do
that
via
jenkins.
I
think
mark-
and
I
talked
earlier-
might
do
that
by
github
actions,
but
yeah.
You
know
any
improvement
here
to
make
it
easier
for
people
to
do
is
the
win.
D
D
Oh,
oh,
so
it's
got
some
some
sentence,
structure
awareness
it
does.
I
don't
know
how
much
because
rust-
and
I
really
don't
understand
most
of
what
it's
doing,
but
it
does
seem
to
be
somewhat
aware
of
you
know,
and
it's.
A
B
D
D
I
have
the
unique
advantage
that
I
can
edit
jenkins
files,
but
I
mean
anyone
can
add
proposals
or
ideas
and
you
know
can
always.
If
anything
comes
up.
You
always
ping
me.
I
can
help
out
too
so.
D
It
does
remind
me,
though
I
was
thinking
about
it
when
we're
talking
about
this
topic.
The
preview
environment
has
been
running
now.
For
what
a
month
has
there
been
any
concerns
or
issues
it's
been,
I
think
it's
been
working
fairly
reliably.
A
As
okay,
I've
used
it
repeatedly
and
I've
seen
no
complaints
whatsoever.
I
think
there
were
one
or
two
times
over
the
course
of
the
last
month,
where
I
I
needed
to
do
something
like
merge.
The
master
branch
in
in
order
to
get
the
preview
environment
to
generate.
B
Yeah,
no,
it's
good
cool
would
typos
catch
something
or
can
it
be
trained?
Would
it
like
check
on
blacklist
and
whitelist,
for
example,
slave.
D
Don't
know
inclusive
naming
mark
do
you
want
to?
I
think
I
think
you
can.
Actually
you
know
yeah
there's
a
list
that
it
won't
allow.
Do
you
want
to
add
a
link
just
do
a
quick
google
for
cargo?
No
cargo,
not
cargo.
I
just
screwed
that
up
last
time,
cargo.
D
So
I
mean
you
can
go
look
at
this.
There
is
a
docs
for
it
I
mean
their
docs
are
not
the
best.
They
were
kind
of
irritating
to
read
up,
but
you
know
they
could
always
you
know,
learning
and
improving.
So
I
think
it's
under
design
they
have
docs.
You
can
go
see
what
the
configuration
is.
It's
all
another.
I
think
they
have
a
tamil
file.
D
A
D
We'll
say
it's
almost
all
automated.
The
only
parts
that
are
not
automated
were
the
three
templates
I
think
I
created
and.
D
Is
automated?
So
if
there
are
problems
we
can
regenerate,
we
can
rebase.
If
the
excuse
me,
if
the
yeah,
if
there's
you
know
if
the
pr
gets
out
of
date
and
we
need
to
regenerate
or
alyssa
makes
changes
to
the
sites
we
can
regenerate,
I
tried
to
make
sure
it
was
all
generatable,
because
it's
a
lot
of
content
and.
A
G
D
Stuff,
I
don't
know:
what's
in
there,
I
literally
just
blanket
downloaded
all
the
assets
got
it
all
right,
so
I
did
mention
that
we
might
want
to
just
make
us
a
sub
sub.
You
know
jenkins
is
a
way
to
or
the
way
that,
jenkins.io
or
something
like
that
and
make
it
a
separate
site
and
be
like
not
integrated
tightly
which
isn't
totally
doable.
You
know,
again,
I
wrote
a
script
that
converts
all
the
raw
html
into
ascii
doc
files.
So
it
doesn't
matter
if
it's
part
of
jenkins,
io
or
something
separate.
A
D
If
we
don't
intend
to
ever
touch
it
again,
a
complete
new
slide
is
probably
the
way
to
go.
If
we
continue
to
want
to
continue
to
import
news
stories,
customer
stories-
and
we
want
it
to
be
used
really
easily
to
do,
it
might
be
worth
being
in
jenkins.
I
o
just
because
you
got
visibility.
A
Yeah
well,
but
but
okay,
we've
I
mean
we've
got
today:
we've
got
the
plug-in
site.
That
is,
is
really
a
separate
thing
and
yet
and
yet
we
manage
it
quite
well.
So
for
me,
I'm
I'm
very
interested
in
the
do
it
as
a
separate
site,
because
we
want
to
turn
off.
The
jenkins
is
the
way
dot
io
site
and
make
it
a
redirect
to
this
new
location,
but
it
could
be
easily.
D
D
D
D
D
A
Conceptually
we
could,
we
could,
even
if
we
were
to
shut
down
the
jenkins
jenkins,
is
the
way
dot
io
wordpress
site
and
bring
up
the
same
url
on
netlify
that
I
think
you're
saying
could
be
made
to
work.
D
Yeah,
the
what
I
have
done
is
is
not
100
one-to-one,
but
it's
not
hard
to
change
it
like
I,
instead
of
having
slash
maps
I
have
jenkins
is
the
way,
slash
maps
or
something
like
that.
Like
I
modify
the
urls
a
bit,
but
there's
no,
it's
not
really
hard
to
switch
back
great.
I
just.
D
It
fit
into
the
the
repo.
A
Contact
all
right,
so
let
me
take
it,
I'm
going
to
take
it
to
alyssa
and
to
the
infra
team,
because
they
may
say:
hey,
look,
let's:
let's
do
this,
let's
host
it
on
netlify
and
and
keep
it
separate
as
a
separate
location
and
then
just
add
to
it
from
so.
This
would
still
let
us
maintain
it
as
code.
Your
changes
would,
let
us
conceptually
maintain
it
as
code,
but
it
would
be,
could
still
be
at.
The
jenkins
is
the
way
dot.
Io
url.
A
A
D
A
D
D
B
A
A
D
D
Yeah,
it's
it's
a
little
intense
you're,
just
looking
for
any
of
the
adopts.
So
just
you
know
page
down
a
couple
times
and
you
should
start
getting
adopt
files.
G
A
D
You
know
the
a
doc
files
here
are
fairly
standard,
a
bunch
of
metadata.
In
there
I
tried
to
make
the
it's.
You
know
following
as
much
as
possible,
so
everything's
in
one
a
doc
file
every
story,
so
that
includes
location,
the
name
the
industry
who
submitted
it.
I
tried
to
make
the
data
more
machine
readable
unless
just
random
html.
D
So
it's
about
98
there.
There
are
definitely
some
parsing
errors.
You
know
you'll
see
things
that
are
merged
together,
but
it'll
get
us
enough.
So
if
a
new
story
comes
in
you
copy
and
paste
this
template
and
you're
done,
you
know.
A
A
Excellent
yeah
super.
Thank
you
gavin
thanks
very
much,
so
I
I
think
we
go.
We
go
forward
with
this
and
I'll.
Let
me
talk
to
the
infra
team
and
others
about
hey.
What's
the
what's
the
preferred
way
you
you
just
to
reinforce,
you
said
that
netlify
should
be
an
easy
way
to
host
this.
If
we
want
to
they're
willing
to
host
content
for
us-
and
we
have
an
account
with
that.
D
Well,
they
gave
us,
they
gave
us
a
open
source
account
and
as
long
as
we
don't
use
their
ci,
which
we
don't
want
to
do,
anyways
they
don't
really
help
them.
It's
the
limits
for
how
much
ci
time
you
get,
which
is
like
200
a
month
and
one
build
of
plug-in
site
and
jenkins
io
kind
of
ate
up
a
third
of
that.
So
we
do
all
the
builds
on
jenkins
io
in
in
good.
We
can
whatever
else
we
want
for
static
sites
easily.
G
A
A
D
Summer
of
code
we've
talked
so
far
and
now
I
think
it's
this
month,
but
so
far
this
month
we've
used
236
megs
of
400
gigs
of
bandwidth.
A
D
Yeah:
okay:
we
actually
use
more
of
golia's
limits
every
month
than
we
do
nullifies.
A
G
Right
and
from
last
year
too,
like
I
could
probably
check
but
like
we
really
do,
need
help.
Sometimes
getting
things
approved
and
like
yeah,
the
async
stuff
is
just
as
important
as
like
being
able
to
be
present
in
the
meetings
because
yeah
occasionally
we
were
running
up
against
some
well
we're
trying
to
get
this
in,
but
no
one
really
like.
We
need
some
reviews
or
some
like
help
from
some
other
places.
So
it's
like
that
that
that's
just
as
good.
B
B
Good
point
from
last
year:
well
now,
there's
some.
If
we
had
any
actual
writing
projects,
I
might
be
worthwhile
as
a
mentor,
but
last
time
I
was
trying
to
run
some
of
these
meetings
and
I
didn't
know
how
to
do
what
they
were
trying
to
do
and
basically
the
meetings
were
like.
We
need
to
talk
to
mark
about
this,
and
we
need
to
talk
to
mark
about
this
and
a
couple
then
angelique
and
oleg
started
chiming
in,
but
that's
that's.
The
thing
too,
is
that
we
might.
A
Well-
and
I
think
what
that
means
is
we
need
to
use
project
ideas
for
which
we
have
mentors
right.
We,
we,
we
can't
choose
project
ideas
with
we,
a
project
idea
without
a
mentor
is
not
a
workable
thing.
It's
not
gonna
succeed.
B
What
I'm
wondering
is
are
people.
Why
is
this
something
you
know
it
isn't
like
when
you
say
out,
hey
you
know
who
wants
free
beer
say:
do
you
want
to
be
a
mentor
yeah?
Whereas
if
you
go
and
say
well,
you've
wanted
to
get
this
done
and
if
you'd
be
willing
to
mentor
a
chico
africa
per
cent
or
two
you
maybe
could
get
it
done,
and
I
I.
D
So
the
the
two
major
projects
and
problems
in
that
area,
which
I
know
mark
and
I
are
aggressively
trying
to
address-
is
jenkins-
has
no
communication
set
up
so
there's
we
have
what
two
2
000
plug-ins.
We
don't
really
have
any
way
to
talk
to
any
of
the
current
plug-in
maintainers,
even
the
people
who
are
doing
like
support.
We
have
people
who
are
just
on
gitter
and
not
anywhere
else.
D
It's
hard
to
talk
to
people
and
the
other
problem
which
I've
had
at
dozens
of
conferences.
I've
helped
out
at
mentor
is
a
very
loaded
title
people
people
think
that
they
have
to
have
like
20
years
experience
to
mentor
and
you're
like
no
15
minutes
more
experience
than
the
other
person
is
enough
to
mentor
someone.
D
B
Need
to
build
too
is
that
in
in
these
things
we
need
to
be
talking
about.
I
mean
what
we
ran
into
last
year
with
this.
She
called
africa
and
we
found
it
and
we
wrote
out
to
all
these
companies
and
they
said:
can
you
support
it
and
they
sent
checks
back
instantly,
but
no
people
and
to
start
understanding
that
if
open
source
is
going
to
work,
we
need
more
than
just
money
yeah
and
that's
something
we
can
be
talking
about
softly
at
different
conferences
and
sort
of
build.
D
Yeah-
and
you
know,
I'm
gonna
keep
advocacy
is
important
to
me.
So
if
I
get
a
chance,
I
got
all
kinds
of
ideas
there,
but
the
community
forums
is
one
of
those
things
that
we're
like
these
mailing
lists
aren't
working.
You
know
if
someone
posted
the
wrong
list,
you
get.
You
know
three
people
telling
you
you
did
it
wrong
and
that's
it
with
the
community
form.
If
you
can
submit
to
the
community
form,
you
can
move
it
to
the
right
spot.
D
You
know
and
that
helps
that
removes
the
barrier
of
inter
the
barrier
there.
You
know
so
we're
just
gonna,
I'm
just
gonna
keep
one
project
at
a
time.
Keep
trying
to
help
out.
You
know
make
the
plug-in
site
easier
to
report
bugs
you
know,
wherever
I
can
help
I'm
going
to
keep
helping,
but
it
mentors
is
definitely
one
of
those
words
that
I've
been
doing
this
20
years
and
people
still
feel
uncomfortable
every
time
they
hear
the
word
mentor,
even
I
feel
uncomfortable,
even
though
I'm
doing
it
right.
D
B
But
you
have
to
know
something
I
mean
that's
the
thing
and
I'm
I'm
a
writer
I'm
used
to
like
if
it's,
if
I'm
mentoring,
another
writer,
I'm
good
with
that,
and
we
can
start
talking
about.
Don't
do
this
and
you
shouldn't
do
this
and
what
you
know,
but
when
I'm
off
there
meant,
I
know
I'm
used
to
being
on
the
other
end
of
the
software
stuff.
Is
you
tell
me
what
you
did
and
I'll
write
it
up.
D
But
that's
the
point
is
you,
don't
actually
know
need
to
know
something.
You
need
to
be
a
little
bit
on
the
confidence
side,
so
you
can
say
very
clearly
like
hey,
you
know.
This
is
where
you
want
to
look,
but
mostly
mentoring
is
listening
to
the
person
you
know
going
cool.
I
understand
what
you're
saying
you
know.
This
is
what
I
would
do
or
you
know
that's
a
good
idea
or
anything.
Just
listening
to
the
person
and
making
connections,
I
mean
you've
been
what
you've
been
working
on
the
doc
site
for
a
while.
D
B
B
D
B
D
B
D
B
A
I'll
certainly
ask
her,
I'm
not
sure
she's
available
I've.
I've
got
several
people
inside
cloudbees
that
I'll
ping
that
are
that
are
in
the
sort
of
in
the
europe
time
zone.
That
could
therefore
be
a
a
good
fit.
Do.
A
Well
and
and
the
the
candidates
are
want
to
be
programmers
right,
the
candidates
want
to
be
programmers
and
therefore
they're
they're
trying
to
develop
programming
skills.
So
the
idea
is:
choose
projects
that
fit
with
programming
skills.
Now
I
would
love
to
have
somebody
help
me
get
rid
of
jquery
one
from
a
couple
of
crucial
plugins,
like
you
helped
me
with
another
plugin
gavin
yeah,
but
that's
a
that's,
a
fairly
unique
set
of
skills
that
I'm
not
sure
will
find
in
brand
new
coders
from
from
west.
D
Removing
jquery
is
not
hard.
There's
a
such
a
site
called
you
might
not
need
jquery.
I
think
com
which
clearly
you
go
and
find
the
jquery
thing
you
were
using
and
it
tells
you
how
to
use
the
native
thing
it's
a
bit
outdated.
Now
it
hasn't
probably
been
updated
in
like
four
years,
but
it's
a
start.
You
know,
and
you
know
you
have
to
start
somewhere,
which
is
what
I've
been
repeating
myself
all
night
right,
start
somewhere,
interesting,
okay,.
B
D
B
G
G
D
Yeah
or
yeah,
I
can
point
a
mentor
who
gets
stuck.
You
know
if
you
have
someone
who
you
know
does
have
the
time
commitment
but
can
get
stuck.
There's
someone
like
me
around
who
can
okay?
Oh
I
have
15
minutes.
I
can
sit
down
on
a
call
and
help
you
and
then
you
can
turn
around
when
the
the
students
are
around
to
actually
do
the
longer
explanation,
right
right.
C
G
I
think
we
end
up
with
a
lot
of
terror
around
the
commitment
for
that
too,
and
sometimes
like
just
if
the
word
technical
advisor
sounds
better
yeah.
C
G
C
G
It's
like
I'm
just
saying
like
just
anything
where
excuse
me,
like
it
just
kind
of
helps,
because
when
you're
kind
of
doing
it
and
eventually
when
the
mentors
kind
of
whittle
down-
or
it's
only
one,
it's
really
hard
for
one
person
to
be
the
single
source
of
the
single
contact
right.
So
yeah,
just
many
hands
make
light
work.
G
A
E
B
G
Okay,
because
the
other
thing
we
can
do
is
like,
if
we
know
that
there's
certain
improvements,
we
can
just
pre-open
a
ticket
for
it
like
pre-open
a
jenkin
or
realize
the
github
issue
that
we're
using.
I
mean
just
open
that
up
maybe
put
some
notes
in
there
and
be
like
reference
it
directly
from
the
pull
request
and
be
like
this
will
be
addressed
by
this.
D
Have
you
all
seen
the
create
issue
from
comment
in
github.
G
D
G
G
G
G
A
D
B
D
D
D
And
basil
basil
had
a
really
snarky,
but
good
thing
is
sometimes
you
just
have
to
tell
someone
and
say
what
you
want
me
to
do.
I
can't
guess
what
you're
trying
to
say.
You
know
like
give
me
an
actionable
item
for
the
next
thing
and
because
sometimes
you
will
be
like
this
isn't
perfect
and
that
doesn't
that
didn't
give
you
anything
to
do
with
that
information
right
right.
So,
if
someone
gives
you
feedback
and
says
hey,
this
isn't
good
you're
like.
Is
it
good
enough
for
now
and
I
can
do
another
release
after.