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A
Here's
what
I've
got
for
possible
agenda
topics.
So
a
news
item
and
in
that
java,
8
deprecation,
pull
requests
are
in
progress,
need
a
plan
to
actually
do
the
deprecation,
and
so
that's.
A
Yeah
yeah
jenkins
on
java
8.,
that's
very
good,
yes
yeah,
although
java
8
will
eventually
end
life
as
well,
jenkins
is
the
way
content,
migration,
weekly
change,
log,
lts
change,
log
and
modernizing
a
plug-in
any
other
topics
we
should
put
on
the
list.
Nope.
Oh
wait,
a
second
there's
another
there's
a
reminder
reminder
reminders,
or
maybe
we
just
put
it
in
news
no
meeting
next
next
next
week.
B
A
A
Yeah,
so
mark
is
out
december
20
december
30th
for
sure
and
I've
planned
to
take
time
off
january.
3
2022
as
well
just
to
take
a
little
extra.
A
Dhiraj
does
that
work?
Okay
for
you
if
we
cancel
for
two,
that's
not
issue
great,
all
right,
okay,
so
one
one
item
on
the
news
list:
basel
crowe
has
been
submitting
experiments
of
various
sorts
with
the
prep
to
deprecate
jenkins
on
java
8..
A
So
in
let's
see
it
was
in
about
november
said
november.
Maybe
it
was
2021.
We
switched
the
docker
images
to
java
11
by
default
and
now
we're
it's
starting
to
feel
like.
It
may
be
time
to
also
to
also
drop
plan
for
the
eventual
drop
of
java
8
completely.
As
an
example,
junit
or
the
j
get
has
dropped
java
8
support
with
their
jget
6
release.
A
And
there
are
others
that
we're
seeing
doing
the
same
pattern.
Jetty
that's
used
for
our
windstone
package
has
has
has
available
java
11
support
available
or
support.
A
That's
called
this
dedicated
java
11
support
in
jetty
10,
but
jetty
9.9.x
continues
to
be
supported
for
now.
B
D
A
A
B
A
A
Oh
none
of
this
is
happening
now
there
will
be
a
plan
that
will
be
announced,
but
it
will
be
simult.
It
will
be
concurrent
that
when
we
stop,
when
we
declare
that
we're
no
longer
no
longer
delivering
java
8
usable
bits,
it
will
be
no
longer
for
agent
no
longer
for
for
controller
there.
There
are
proposals
as
to
alternatives
of
as
how
to
do
it.
A
And
give
people
fair
warning
deprecation
warnings
in
in
in
various
codes
in
various
components.
A
F
B
D
D
Cool
cool
because
I
was
like
maybe
we
can
like
try
to
see
if
there
was
a
pattern
or
something
you
can
search
for
if
there's
like
an
easy
way
like
if
it
was,
if
you,
if
you've
done
it
before,
we
can
look
for
the
commit
hash
or
they
get
a
pull
request
that
made.
D
B
A
F
A
They've
done
is
brilliant
and
it
puts
all
the
information
in
one
place
with
easy
tracking
of
all
sorts
of
things.
So
I
think
we'll
we'll
we'll
want
to
do
something
similar,
like
that
just
say:
hey
here's,
the
java,
8
deprecation,
it's
epic
and
then
here
are
a
bunch
of
issues
under
it
because.
F
A
and
we've
identified
those
plugins
in
the
transition.
In
the
document
we
did
when
we
did
the
docker
image
upgrade,
but
we
just
have
to
remind
people
in
particular
anything
based
on
ruby
run
time,
and
that
is
jep7
calls
for
the
deletion,
the
complete
removal
of
ruby
runtime
code.
So
so
we've
got
a
we've
got
a
reason
to
do
that.
But
it's
it
hasn't
been
gone
all
the
way.
Yet
we
need
to
just
take
it
all
the
way
and
admit
ruby.
Runtime
is
no
longer
supported.
A
D
D
D
B
D
D
B
B
A
We
have
had
we
we've
had.
Some
users
who
are
very
vocal
randall
becker,
for
instance,
is
is
he's
a.
I
believe
he
works
in
a
consulting
arrangement,
consulting
on
high-end
banking
class
hardware,
like
the
tandem
non-stop
servers,
you
know
the
hpe
non-stop
service
yeah,
and
they
don't
do
they
don't
have
java
11
even
available
on
that
platform.
A
So
so,
when
java
8
goes
away
he's,
he
can't
run
jenkins
agents
on
his
tandem
machines,
and
I
think
he
said
that
they
were
hoping
that
the
java
17
licensing
conditions
would
be
more
palatable,
but
it
the
reality
is.
There
will
always
be
some
subset
who
will
say
hey.
I
can't
run
jenkins
on
my
whatever,
because
java
11
is
not
available
to
me
and
and
the
answer
there
is
sorry,
that's
some
people
will
will
not
be
able
to
run
it
after
this
transition
whenever
it
is
six
months,
12
months
from
now.
A
F
A
B
C
A
A
B
A
Now,
the
last
time
we
did
a
major
java
upgrade
was
8
to
11,
and
it
was,
I
think,
most
of
the
year
to
do
the
work.
So
it
was
an
enormous
amount
of
work.
It
doesn't
appear
to
be
quite
as
much
work
for
this
one,
but
there's
still
a
lot
of
work
and
I'm
not
seeing
I'm
not
seeing.
I
suspect
what
we'll
need
to
do
is
we'll
need
again,
a
a
jab,
an
epic
and
and
a
lot
of
community
work.
A
Okay
next
topic,
then
linux
we've
got
a
work
in
progress
and
more
noise
from
people
to
switch
our
our
linux
installers
from
using
the
old
style
system,
five
in
it
to
the
more
modern
system
d,
and
it's
I'm
worried
that
mark
worries
that
there
is
lots
of
compatibility
risk
there.
A
Yep
so
then
ui
updates,
weekly
2.325.
A
Okay,
next
topic,
then
the
jenkins
is
the
wayside.
I
don't
know
if
all
of
you
had
seen
this
in
the
past,
but
this
site
is
a
place
where
alyssa
tong
had
done
an
initiative
to
gather
success
stories
for
jenkins
users
from
around
the
world,
and
you
see
here
a
nice
map
that
highlights
of
some
of
the
places
from
which
success
stories
have
been
received
all
over
north
and
south
america,
europe,
asia,
all
sorts
of
places
where
we've
got
great.
B
B
A
C
A
This
site
was
funded
separately
by
cloudbees
and
we'd
like
to
now
move
the
content
from
this
site
instead
place
it
under
jenkins.io,
and
redirect
from
jenkins
from
this
location
to
jenkins
that
io
gavin
mogan
has
agreed
to
take
a
look
at
it.
He's
apparently
done
wordpress
migrations
before
and
he's
comfortable
with
what
it
takes
to
do
them.
A
Yeah
the
stories
the
stories
are
actually,
I
think
the
stories
are
really
quite
elegant.
Things
like
here,
let's
see
reduce
costs,
improve
delivery
time.
A
There's
there
are
stories
here
from
from
ibm
from
interesting
large
companies,
not
just
little
companies.
You
know
so,
okay,
so
here's
one
for
animosity-
and
there
are
all
sorts
of
interesting
stories-
told
here
and
gathered
different
solutions,
github
based,
etc,
so
yep
very,
very,
very
cool
site,
thanks
very
much
to
cloudbees
for
sponsoring
it
yeah.
A
Okay,
so
next
topic
is
we're:
sorry
that
I'm
droning
on
so
much
I'm
talking
an
awful
lot.
So
a
weekly
change
log,
you,
okay!
If
we
do
that
or
do
do,
we
want
to
dhiraj.
Do
you
and
I
need
to
spend
significant
time
here
before
we
do
weekly
change
log?
Is
it
okay?
If
we
do
weekly
change
log
next,
if
you
can
do
quick
questions,
okay,.
A
A
A
A
A
E
A
A
A
So
did
that
capture
your
questions,
okay,
diraj
and
we'll
get
to
them.
Yes,
thanks,
okay,
cool
all
right,
so
we
okay
with
doing
the
weekly
change
log
now
and
then
we'll
get
to
the
other.
A
B
A
A
A
A
A
B
Yeah,
well,
I'm
not
present
not
for
the
log
we
need
to.
I
know
a
piece
of
duck
that
needs
to
review,
but
daniel
probably
knows
where
it
is
too.
Oh.
B
B
D
A
I'm
not
sure
why
that's
appearing
there
so
we'll
have
to
look
at
that
again
that
one
may
that
there
may
be
something
surprising
going
on
there
that
we
may
not
have
a
working
working
change
log
if
that
thing's
still
there
so
but
yeah.
This
one
is
a
major
rfe
and
it
it
absolutely
should
be
highlighted
and
it
will
be
at
the
top
of
the
list
by
default.
Everything
we've
seen
this
far
thus
far
is
dropping
all
the
way
to
the
bottom.
A
A
A
A
A
A
That
will
need
a
fix
to
the
references
and
is
a
substantial
one.
A
So
groovy
is
upgrading
the
bass.
Groovy
inside
jenkins
is
upgrading
from
2.4.12
to
2.4.21
and
the
it's
been
reviewed
for
potential
security
impact,
etc.
A
So
real
positive
there,
but
some
some
risk.
This
is
a.
This
is
one
that
I
think
we
might
want
to
even
call
it
a
major
rfe,
but
I
don't
I
I
don't
know
I
mean.
Ultimately,
we
hope
users
will
detect
nothing,
but
there's
probably
some
difference
in
behavior
that
that's
going
to
happen
between
those
those
two
versions.
B
Does
is
there
a
document
that
summarizes
the
difference?
What's
new
in
the
new
groovy.
A
A
Include
references
to
groovy
changelogs.
B
Somebody
maintains
a
repo
of
groovy
scripts
that
are
available
for
people
to
download
and
use.
A
Several
there
are
several
different
ones.
Yes,.
A
F
B
Right,
okay,
it
would
be,
but
it
could
be
something
to
put
out
to
the
community
if
you
have
one
out
there
that
you
care
about,
you
might
want
to
test
it.
A
A
A
A
A
Right
exactly
okay.
So
let's
make
a
note
on
that
one
mark
the
stapler
issue
as
a
developer.
A
Let's
see
okay,
so
this
one
we
said:
skip
change,
log,
skip
change,
log,
skip
change,
log,
skip
change,
log
skip
change
log,
so
those
are
all
correctly
adjusted
to
skip
the
change
log
now.
So
I
think
we
can.
We
handled
them,
dhiraj
good
question,
and
what
we'll
do
now
is:
let's
go
invoke
that
and
we're
going
to
run
the
the
task
that
will
refresh
this
thing
and
by
refreshing.
It
then,
if
you'll
remind
me,
as
we
approach
end
of
meeting
we'll,
come
look
again
to
see
that
it
applied
the
changes
that
we
had
made.
A
F
So
for
for
submitting
the
pr
at
the
end,
the
process
is
pretty
simple
like
in
my
local
copy.
I
need
to
make
these
changes
and
submit
appear.
That's
it
right!
That's
right!
Yes,
exactly!
Okay,
so
I
think,
and
from
now
how
many
hours
after
should
I
send
in
pr.
F
A
Yeah
good
question,
so
the
the
release
is
scheduled
to
the
release.
Build
is
scheduled
to
complete.
A
All
right,
so
what
will
happen
is
tomorrow
when
I
wake
up,
I
will
likely,
as
soon
as
I've
detected,
that
the
tag
has
been
placed
for
this
release.
I
will
merge
this
pull
request
and
then
biraj.
It's
up
to
you,
you,
let
me
know
when
you've
when
you've
got
the
revision.
There's
no,
no,
no
big
press
for
that.
No
crisis
for
that.
If
it
needs
to
wait
24
hours
for
the
corrections,
that's
okay,
it's
great!
F
A
F
A
Given
the
permissions
that
are
required
to
resolve
those
kinds
of
things,
I
think
we'll
have
to
leave
it
to
somebody
else.
Just
I
it's
it's
a
good
idea
that
we
may
want
to.
We
may
want
to.
I
wonder
if
you
want
to
consider
this
dhiraj
there
is
the
concept
of
a
release,
lead
for
an
lts
release,
and
you
might
consider,
do
you
want
to
try
becoming
the
the
release
lead
for
one
release?
A
A
F
Well
I
want
to,
but
I
would
like
to
have
another
session
with
you,
where
you
explain
me
some
doubts
that
I
will
be
having
after
I
observe
kathy's
work.
A
Yeah
there's,
if,
if
I
don't
approve
it
or
tim,
jacom
doesn't
approve
it
or
oleg
nanasha
doesn't
approve
it
between
the
three
of
us.
Somebody
will
see
it.
Okay,
it's
I
it's
not
that
I'm
disappearing
from
existence,
but
I
don't
I'm
trying
to
not
do
meetings
and
not
do
trying
to
actually
take
some
time
off.
You're
going
to.
F
A
A
A
B
A
A
A
Has
already
been
submitted,
so
we
could
conceivably
start.
The
writing
and
I
may,
before
I
disappear,
start
some
and
submit
it
and
let
you
all
review
it
next
week
during
weekly
during
or
let
d
raj,
let
you
review
it.
Asynchronously
not
put
it
on
anybody
else,
but
just
ask
for
some
reviews
of
it
and
suggestions
for
improvements.
G
A
Okay,
all
right
next
topic
was
how
does
cloudbees
hire
in
india,
and
I
am
delighted
to
know
dhiraj
that
cloudbees
has
apparently
started
hiring
in
india
just
starting
now
and
mark
has
no
idea
of
the
process
that
is
being
followed.
A
A
And
you
asked
do,
do
they
so
do
they
accept
you
mentioned?
Do
they
accept?
I
think
the
classic
phrase
in
india
is
freshers.
Do
they
accept
people
without
experience?
It's
the
fishes.
A
A
A
F
Because
I
I
was
going
through
the
cloud
these
linkedin
pages,
I
saw
people
working
there
and
their
geography,
and
I
saw
that
mostly
all
of
them
are
recognized
from
the
github
like
I've
seen
him.
I've
seen
her
I've
seen
her
here.
Oh
good,
nice.
A
Yes,
that's
that's
it
from
this
topic.
Okay!
Super
next
was:
how
do
I
participate
in
google
summer
of
code,
so
google
summer
of
code
will
happen
in
in
let's
see
the
apple
it
starts
starts
basically,
in
february,
slash
march,
with
project
ideas.
A
The
students
submit
and
and
this
year
it's
not
just
students
so
open
to
anyone
in
a
specific
age
bracket
age
group-
I
believe
they
require
18.
You
must
be
18
in
order
to
enter,
but
no
longer
a
requirement
that
you
must
be
at
a
university
wow,
so
yeah,
cool
and
and
exciting
so
project
ideas
are
submitted.
Alyssa
tong
is
leading
the
reading
the
effort
you
can
read
about
it
on
community.jenkins.io.
A
A
A
A
D
And
if
you
have
any
ideas,
you
can
also
submit
them
yourself
like.
If
you
have
another
other
things,
it
has.
Does
that
be
code
related
we
kind
of
get
away
with
this
one,
because
there
is
like
a
code
component,
but
as
long
as
there's,
if
you
have
ideas,
there's
never
always
use
new
ones
or
other
other
things.
That
could
be
helpful.
A
2021
project
ideas,
so
last
year's
automatic
specification
generator
for
rest
for
the
rest,
api
and
plug-in
installation
manager,
tool,
improvements
and
pipeline
step,
doc,
generator
improvements.
All
three
of
those
are
at
least
of
interest
to
me,
and
any
one
of
them
will
be
a
good
candidate
for
a
project
idea.
Now
the
way
dhiraj
the
way
google
summer
of
code
works.
Is
this:
the
the
submitter
submits
their
proposal
for
the
project.
F
A
F
You
told
me
a
new
thing
like
it's,
not
even
there's,
not
even
a
rule
that
they
should
be
from
a
university
because
specif
personally,
I'm
not
enrolled
into
any
university.
I
just
graduated
and
I'm
not
going
to
do
any
masters
for
this
year,
at
least
so
I
was.
D
F
So
is
it,
is
it
going
to
be
same
way
like
for
2021,
where
they
had
more
projects
and
reduce
the
timing
of
the
period.
A
So,
as
far
as
I
understand
they're
going
to
use
the
the
same
schedule
that
they
used,
I
haven't
proven
that
yet
for
final,
but
so
the
schedule
works
would
work
the
same
with
expecting
20
hours
a
week
of
coding
for
a
period
of
eight
weeks,
divided
into
two
four
week
segments
something
like
that
and
and
so
yeah
that's.
I
think.
That's
that's
still.
The
plan.
A
A
D
A
A
Exactly
yeah,
yeah
and
and
well
one
of
the
one
of
the
comments
that
alyssa
noted
is
sometimes
they've.
Seen
a
pattern
in
google
summer
of
code
that
students
will
contribute,
will
win
the
win,
their
win.
Their
position
contribute
during
google
summer
of
code
and
then
disappear
never
contribute
again,
and
they
worry
that
that's
really
not
their
objective.
Their
objective
is
to
encourage
ongoing
participation
in
open
source
projects.
A
A
He
is
continuing
as
as
an
explorer
using
the
topic
and
he's
been
learning
things
and
we're
gathering
them.
I
got
feedback
from
luncha
a
contributor
from
cloudbees
that
hey
the
word
modernize
may
not
convey
the
message
we
want
and
I
was
open
to
other
suggestions
so
plugin
modernization
for
me
was
I
that
that
told
the
story
I
wanted
to
tell,
but
tell
me
the
rest
of
you.
What
do
you
think
is
if
we
called
it
plug-in,
refresh
or
plug-in
renewal
or
plug-in?
A
B
It's
almost
ownership,
it's
I
mean
if
you,
if
I
adopt
a
plugin
that
doesn't
currently
have
enough
an
adapter,
I
may
check
it
over
and
it
may
not
need
anything,
but
this
is
what
I
need
to
check
for
right.
A
A
B
A
A
D
A
A
And
and
it
it
could,
except
that
we've
got
here,
let
me
show
you
the
I.
I
think
I've
shown
you
in
the
past.
Here's
here's
what
it
looks
like.
So
this
thing
looks
like
this
and
all
it
would
all
it
what
it
is
right
now
and
what
we
would
add
to
this
is
a
series
of
of
snippets.
Each
one
of
them
is
only
a
little
bit,
and
many
of
them
include
a
video
that
right.
F
D
Being
like
good
versus
adopt
a
plug-in.
D
D
B
A
B
A
A
Okay,
so
so
at
least
it's
worth
it's
worth,
considering
I'll
roll
it
around
with
jean-marc
and
with
some
others,
I
don't
it'd
be
fun
to
do
an
a
b
test.
I
just
don't
know
how
you
would
do
an
a
b
test
to
decide
which
one
people
would
click
on,
maybe
maybe
for
two
weeks.
I
show
it
as
in
improve
and
two
weeks
show
it
as
modernize
and
count
the
hit
count
and
decide
which
one
was
better.
A
F
Yes-
and
I
have
one
comment
about
the
plug-in
refresh
topic
as
well-
okay
has
mentioned
so
it
sounds
nice.
The
refresh
word
is,
of
course,
so
fresh
and
sounds
good,
but
it
also
means
that
there
are
some
things
like
refresher
courses
of
a
topic.
So
if
I
talk
about
the
web
devops
refresher,
it
means
it
will
be
a
small
summed
up
video
on
that.
So
if
it's
a
plug-in
refresh,
so
I
I
I
hope,
people
don't
mistake
it
as
a
plug-in
refresher
blog
where
they
talk
about.
F
A
A
B
H
A
B
A
Okay,
so
we
had
set
ourselves.
The
goal
is
at
risk
where
the
goal
was
maintained,
the
the
contributor
persona
before
christmas-
and
I
apologize-
it's-
I'm
not
ready
so,
but
I
might
make
it
but
tomorrow.
I
definitely
won't
because
tomorrow
is
my
38th
wedding
anniversary
and
I
will
not
be
doing
jenkins
things
tomorrow.
A
B
B
A
A
Well-
and
I
wouldn't
even
I
wouldn't
even
put
them
in
his
work
in
progress-
I
would
just
leave
them
out
of
the
initial
pull
of
the
initial
pr
and
and
go
with
something
small,
because,
let's,
let's
take
a
look
at
the
topics
right,
if
we
go
back
to
our
topic
list
here,
this.
B
B
A
A
F
Last
thing,
I
I
when
I
said
that
the
build
fails
all
the
time
I
didn't
mean
it
didn't
know
better.
A
A
B
I'm
not
taking
I'm
not
really
off.
So
if
you
need
anything
ping
me,
I
will
be
around
sure
sure.