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Meeting notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H0gJt1zdr37YDpuSLXSeFqYco_a_CIrAuZ1f0Oyl4XE/edit?usp=sharing

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Hello everyone. Today we have a sync up of google Summer of Code special interest group and the jenkees project. We will have a discussion about what's going on in the project, what our plans for Jesus or 2019 and what we still need to do for jiseop 2018 and it's follow-ups. I will start the screen share right now.

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This my screen.

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I'm not right now.

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And what about now? Yes,.

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So yeah, probably my laptop just hangs a bit: okay, so I present to everyone so that it also appears in YouTube okay. So we have a meeting notes document. Everybody should have access to that I've pasted the link in the JSON guitar chart and the results a channel for the participant link, just in case somebody wants to join.

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So we have three topics in our generate agenda, so action items and then what we discussed previously. So we have Jeff it's crazy.

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Christine, black and white on the call right, so we don't have anybody out.

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Okay, the I'm terrible at making notes, so please feel free to edit it in parallel if something needed, let's start from the action items, so the first one was to me and tries to come up with a proposal how we integrate all the activities on the Jenks. Our website I. Believe it's still to do this. We didn't discuss it. Yeah.

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Okay, then next one create individual summary blog posts for the mint assignment, so markings one was posted. My one I haven't published it yet because it was less than one week from margins, and what about you? Jeff? Yes,.

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I created mine that I had published it. Yeah I was waiting for the link to the one in Jenkins IO, which was probably done quite a while ago, so I can think I can publish it now. Yeah.

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Yeah, so you can adjust, publish it or if you prefer, public and polish it on your own personal book. It's something cheap and Oh.

D

Which do you think is better um I I, don't I, don't get very much traction on my personal blog, so maybe it would be better that obviously don't think it's a oh well.

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You'll make sure that I posted you in Twitter, Facebook and okay. It's generally your decision where you want her to publish it. So if you want prefer gingka say your it's also fine I'll go ahead.

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And do it on my personal blog, then: okay, yes,.

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hmm So as English just once, you publish it, send us a link and big eater so that we can promote it right.

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And yeah I'm gonna be behind all my tasks trying to catch up, but it takes a while The Guardian G, so 2019 skeleton. So actually this task is kind of done. So what we have now on the jsoc website. We have G so 2019 page. There are project IDs. There is a pending pull request from me to somehow refactor it and to have a metadata so github for Jenkins mean foraging in Seong.

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So which leads here it fails not sure why but yeah once we do that we will have a deformed project against page, so the page will be small, but we will have pages for each project and they will be some metadata. So later we can create research links or whatever, whatever other features, if you need. So as an example, each project is defined in a llamó file, just not Yamaha asciidoc, but there is a amo metadata, like skills, mentors, etc, and we will be all supporting newbie friendly issues there and maybe keywords.

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So it's something TBD, but it's a in the project in process Etrigan and the rest. We.

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Also, there was a pull request from lloyd about adding schedule. So currently, if you take a look at the sub-project, google Summer of Code I believe the results to summon maintain page so bail should be 2019 schedule right.

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Yeah this one, so you start putting some information there yeah. We will need to clarify that, but this skeleton is here.

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And we need to proceed with that. The government JSOC template so I have some updated. Martin actually has completed a bit, so there is better templates in Google Doc the return going discussion between mark and Lloyd and all other participants in the chat about how it has to be addressed, because the original plan was to have Google Docs, then a question about removal of Google Docs and since we don't have Jase Utah whatever we cannot really keep them in a safe place.

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So we have two options on the table: one is keeping PTA in the weekend and another one is just keeping fit on genkai Co, which is the current state. So my question to participants would be about your preferences.

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My perfect imagine are in the literature.

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So your preferences.

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Hello I didn't hear you I.

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Said my preference is Google Doc I.

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A gator shark and then, when the final authoritative, propose that we sent to Google that would be published on Jenkins I. Oh yeah ASCII talk, so they can't be changed you every, but but for the initial document. Creation revisions and comments. It's more effective using Google Doc.

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With first one, so for us there was two questions: one is proposals by mentors and keeping a Google Doc day is perfectly fine or just asking them to propose a pull request, whatever they prefer and another question for us is about student comments. So one of the issue 1 issues we had in the previous years that when you just project ideology, say your website. Something like that. There is no clear way how to comment on that. Our suggestion was to go to the developer menu at least, but it wasn't really comfortable and yeah.

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Google Doc link is a one of the approaches we wanted to use, but it's not clear whether we want it. They still want to go forward with it. Unfortunately, there is no Martin on the call.

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So probably we Park it for now but yeah. It's still an open question.

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Tracy, how do you approach it? How treat you, by the way.

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But then for the actual submissions would just you have to use the outreach as an online place to enter the projects. All the details stay on their website in in a fixed format,.

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But I don't know going forward yeah. We haven't really thought through saving those ideas for the next round, yet so probably learn something off sync, with what you're doing.

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So generally, you use mostly bitters. Now sorry you use discussions. Yes,.

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For discussion, the skated the outreach it also has its own chat thing calls you lip, which they're trying out this year so we'll see and that's to help mentors across different projects to communicate so. Okay, now you know how that goes and not much evidence of well actually I, don't know what's happening, it's just been set up for the first year and we'll and the program hasn't started yet. So that's.

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So it's a outpatient, general.

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So yep personally pretty fine with mailing lists and eater. So if we prefer to stay with such approach this year, I would be fine, so without confluence over has one of the things which may help us. Actually, we now have special interest groups and yeah what a plan to do that we will be having siblings so that particular discussions can go to the special interest million kristance, that of the jenkees developer mailing list.

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It may also help her need to dictation discussions, which was one of the main issues, because yep mm-hmm one problem that we sometimes have something like five students ask about the same project. They start different trades and we explained that's why he Martin raised this question, and this way we came up to Google Doc proposal, but yeah I'm, not sure we can discuss more right now without Martin.

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Let's finish with election items then put in 2019 tasks. Actually we had a sync up with Marcin and we have created an epoch with some top level tasks here. This are not all the tasks say we need to consider, but at least we have this epic, so I.

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Believe it's here.

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We'll just put a link so that we didn't forget about it, because our ranking tasks and then work at minutes. At least it's working progress I still need to submit it. But so, let's make sure that it's submitted by the next weekend.

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Yeah there's already some discussion gives a lot about the schedule so that we do not duplicate the information and yeah I'll. Make sure to do that. I like to request permissions for events in JIRA, follow Jarek. So what that means is still to do, because we still don't have a full list of reduce overhead means for the CAS to be decided. I still didn't get answer from Stephen crystal whether is interested.

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This icon is done so what one has published his blog post. It was retweeted.

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Yeah I can try to find it, and this one is done so effectively. We proceed with a weekly meetings, at least for now, while we prepare everything.

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Yeah meeting it's one hour, but if we have let's topics to discuss, we can just drop earlier, probably not a kiss for today, but maybe for the next meetings. Okay and I just hope to solvent eating leftovers. mmm Should we discuss it now or should we postpone it so who is interested in this topic.

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Come on the scheduling perspective, just Oreo Oreo down we're shooting swag now.

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So we haven't even started in general because the words behind traveling, etc I have a list of deliveries, but I haven't done in here.

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So so I'll deliver it's one of the technical depth topics and we should do it as out, of course, and another one which is left over is jab for jaeseok budgeting, so that story behind that we have jab, which would allow us to manage the budget without waking for governance board approval for any action, I send him walk etcetera. So there is jab folded and I'm still waiting for the feedback from be DFL, I think take a key two or three weeks ago.

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No response sofa, but Haley I'm, not sure how much is working for this year. We don't expect much spending till June I believe, but he still something we need to get defense and we need feedback.

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So yeah, these are two major items we have introduced from the previous year and as far as I can tell, we don't have anything else.

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Am I missing something.

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Okay, cause I've been thinking, so our current stated that there was an Auslan from google Summer of Code. So you know we have actually show program Summer of Code 2019, and so now we have official timeline which is which has been posted and which we can refer to. So one of the interesting things that this year application deadline is February is so last year they moved Jesus off a bit, so everything started a bit earlier and we needed to so. For example, application deadline was something like January 15th and then.

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And then final JSOC face was mid-august, so it was something complicated for us and it seems they moved it, but because there was such feedback at the g-shot matter summit. So now we are good and one of the reasons why we are good that application deadline happens after for them. So it means that we will have an opportunity to discuss jae-seok at FOSDEM, the rest, usually a hackathon, and we can get some beats like documentation, etc.

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Over the friends like we used to do in previous years, but here I'm not sure who is going to force them this year.

C

I'll probably be there.

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Who usually drinks project organizes hackathons there and yeah? It was one of the options, but yeah I'm not sure about this here, because I'm not sure I will be able to come.

C

Yeah I think February 4th likely to have a Jenkins community possible, probably hackathon.

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Anyone else gonna be there.

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So I believe everybody else on the call is from United States and sapone is from Asia. So probably no, but if you have similar events in your.

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Nearby, your location, yeah, if you can go there, if you can present Jenkins, if you are interested to talk about that, it's something we will definitely have shade.

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So, for example, there is scale in the United States and so whether it happens on a winter this year as well address and image.

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Mm-Hmm, so we probably for them, isn't the option for this year. Previously, all our cad means we are going to force them, so it was more convenient.

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Not this year, and actually it would be good for us to play earlier so.

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Start January 15th, my proposal would be to actually target is to eat as much as possible, and since we have all templates, we have samples from previous years. It shouldn't be a big deal to apply. They think we really need right now is project IDs. A recurrent project. Id is what we have now. So we have five project ideas on the website.

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We have appended project IDs, so we project it IDs pending right now and they will block because video will work in the project idea side. So the project ID is. We have right now with.

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Motive, goods, okay, we will enter for pipeline.

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Then we have one ID is about. We still agent service sleeper agent clinic, it's something we agreed toward this here.

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I'm not sure whether we still want to do it Tracy but yeah. Maybe we should post a project ID if there are mentors who may be interested.

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When we have one is support of deployment environments.

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Will be neatly and working, maybe the submitter and worth buying at least is under a foul call. It was something for doctor right, yeah, I'm, just missing the page, yeah.

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It's for daughter generation.

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It's always that we may have something like an Android nine project, IDs, which probably be 6% point. But what we need to do is we need to go to special interest groups and ask for project. Ids have been.

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So, for example, as a leader of platform, Zeke I will try to get at least what project from there.

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So using everybody familiar with special interest books.

E

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Okay, so really it's here, but actually the specifics of Jenkins, but not all what sub projects have mass 6 right now sub projects. So in addition to 6, we also have a list of projects here and actually, if we can get some project IDs from active projects, it's something which put helped us a lot, because we can not start from tragic IDs, so Italy. We need to get to something like 20 plus project IDs, and we need to work with the community on that and it leads us to several action items.

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So we need two unknowns: G's open outside.

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Oh I forgot about one idea: just a second unknowns, G so canals side, so it would be a blog post plus a develop at least announcement and goal to seek meetings and they invite people so.

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Something like that.

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So, by the way, is anybody on the cool interested to propose his own project idea.

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House it's hard to think of things on the spot, but we'll make sure that edit, the doc okay.

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Oh yeah, generally, you can just start prepping a template, so since Martin is on the call, he may be able to just fill a link to the template and yeah. It's pretty much the same as previous here, so you can just take something here and what we expect in addition to what we had before this project. Ideas is links to new different leashes around your project, so that whomever is interested a and your project proposal my year, try get something done and before the application.

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The rest is exactly similar, like the header in the previous yeah okay. So it needs to have some proposals around. So we will likely remove gene test acceptance test harness from this year, because we need mentors for that. In order to do good and media plugins will stay at all strategy, will stay and called features will stay. A thanks, Martin.

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Yeah epicly product ideas is the only big thing. We need to do right now, till the end of December, because the rest is fine. We just yeah, we just make a proposal and we have on all templates. So it's not a big deal. We need to work with potential Mentors, so.

C

In the project, ideas need to come hand in hand with Mentors.

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Technically yes, so if you have a project idea, it's still nice to get it somehow recorded yeah but yeah what we need to do when we post project ID on the website. It's we need at least one mentor, so there is at least one contact person so that everybody interested can can ask questions. But if you have a project ad without a mentor, then probably we should talk about posting it somehow.

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So, for example, I have one project idea from the previous year is about accessibility of Jenkins, so web UI, for example, colorblind, not just to be specific.

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We have project idea, probably it's even better fit for out region, but even for J's off with something considerable, but we really need mentors in order to pull this idea of what, if we can do that, it will be perfect.

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Yes, so if you have some such a decent mind, probably if you write up a description, it would be still really helpful because yeah we can have a polite, pull off IDs Fuji soap and outreach yeah.

C

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Is not much difference in the terms of project, IDs descriptions etc, and yet the immediate complete all such idea so that we can extend more oh yeah. You may see that that is actually a lot more of project IDs he already created by Martin.

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Oh- and he had this say actually I would action item so treat of project ideas. We shared pool of project ideas.

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Just make sense so.

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I'm not sure whether Rick is on the call.

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Yes, oh yeah, so you can just describe your idea here. I mean I, just a right. Yeah I just see another mister Jenkins, so I didn't recognize you initially okay, so we have, if you want to edit just edit to the list.

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And yeah I definitely know that Omega is looking for, maintain it for bigot flop clicking, so maybe it could be somehow aligned.

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So in this, is it something you would be interested to lead sorry. Would you be interested to mentor to this project idea? Okay, add an act to be okay yep. Maybe we could also find something specific to Cheney's, localization, sick, so yeah, for example, Jane. If you have project IDs, it doesn't have to be on the code, so we steer.

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We are still interested in a code because it's Google some of code, but for example, if you want to create frameworks, if you want to create engines for Chinese website, it's still something we could organize and let's same for Jenkins infrastructure. There is a lot of things we could do there so and jae-seok yeah. We can take any of this. Every city needed so we're over there, not next months. We should just reach out to people and ask them as much as possible to work on to propose project ideas and yeah.

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If we get to 20 to 30, it would be a great advantage for us, because the count matters in this case, especially the count of really good project IDs, which we can can be taken by students.

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Okay, any questions I.

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Have a question and I'm sorry I'm late and my question is: have you already talked about reaching out to the different things? Yes,.

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Yeah so I'm not sure how we split this task across orchid means so which would be really nice to load balance it. So, for example, we can create a tasks, foolish sea, Corphish sub project and assign Network admin, or maybe to somebody who is interested to volunteer and do that yeah. Would it be okay if we follow this approach.

F

Yeah I'm sure I guess I want to reach out to the SIG's and we can low chair and each car sick, but there's only five six right. There is.

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Five seats and there are sub projects which are not special interest groups, for example, Jenkins X configurations code, the infrastructure they have regular meetings they have made in please they have charts. So they look like six smell like six, but they are not six, but for us it doesn't mean so we still can reach out to them. Oh yeah, so whatever opportunity we have to get mentors involved is something we could try to do yeah. Why not is there? Is there a list of how to reach.

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Them somewhere.

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Okay, just yeah shake it briefly, so yeah. If you go to the Jenga side, the road. This is my screen now yeah yeah, so, for example, Jenkins eggs. If you go here, there is Oakley, so the slug channel, for example. So we can use these slugs I'm, not sure whether they have mailing lists.

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But here there is, for example, a meeting tomorrow, so somebody can just join and participate, especially if you're interested in drinking sex, but yeah, probably it makes sense to start from Charles and slug before going to the meeting so that there is some discussion happening before pretty much the same. About, for example, configuration is called the resin get a shot which is really active now, but for infrastructure there is our see, chart you can try ask and there there is mailing list so, depending on the project and approach may be different.

F

Okay, do you want to talk about splitting the work splitting the reaching to six now or you have taken offline.

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As you wish, so we have some time so we can do it now unless there is other agenda topics.

F

I'm fine doing it now.

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The topics Jeff Christian old on Tracy, not.

B

Really is there actually? Is there a good time for us to go and talk to the cigs, and maybe so we don't all like you know, go into too. There are different meetings and pitch it twice and.

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So yeah, that's why we can load balance it yeah, so, for example, cheap. No, it's a secret mapping that starts from six. So it's work for cloud native been matching is like realization. Oh.

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Yeah they soak and your pipeline not link.

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So my question to you: would we like to have a specific JSOC project for the JSOC special interest group.

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Think we do that'd be pretty funny, though yeah.

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It would be interesting to find something, but yeah also have nothing from the top of my head and yes,.

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I was gonna, mention I, think Google's, also starting a new. It's like cheese sock for technical writers. Yes,.

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That's something in area where I'm I offered the cheese saga activities, but I, don't think we're ready to take that on right now. Well,.

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We are going to take that on, but even Google is not ready to do it right now. So, as we discussed, the previous meeting, Google season of documentation is something under the discussion and we have Jenkins project contributors who specifically focused on the documentation. So I have my action item to get it organized, but generally it's our token all thing, so it may be happening within a JSOC seek, but it's widely to be discussed.

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Even when I was communication, I've heard from Google that probably it won't be managed by Google's community, because, oh sorry, open-source team, because yeah they have a bit different focus for it season of documentation. So right now it's out of the scope but yeah it will do some follow-ups so be sure we apply and I've already a Jenkins project to the list of projects interested in google season of documentation.

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Ok, I'm back to 6, so, for example, we have Rick on the call, so probably really is the best contact to reach out to Cheney's liquidation and yet so for me, it's a bit same for platform, special interest group, and now we have pipeline authoring.

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It's not a special interest group marketing glory yeah, we'll get to it so who does want to talk to cloud native Jenkins see, is.

E

That cloud native same thing as Jenkins X: yes, no, no.

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Right now, Jenkins X is not a part of cloud native special interest groups. I believe it may happen. It may change soon, because there were discussions at the contributor summit in the United States about them joining the project, but so far no, so these are orthogonal things, but you know. Obviously there is a lot of communication.

A

So yeah I will keep it separate for now. Yeah.

E

I'll reach out to Jenkins X, because I'd recently joined their slack channel if I need to find out when their hangouts and so on. I think James did make show interest to more tonight on whether whether they're ready to take on mentorship or not, you can reach out to check insects.

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Mm-Hmm, okay, hmm so about cognitive, Lincoln's,.

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Is this a I could take, but you want to get submitted well.

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As you wish, if you want to do that, just go forth and yeah. It can also help yes, yeah. If you want I'll, just leave it to you, so you drive it and a little help if needed, because I'm a member of exceed.

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Time technically.

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It's you, but I have innate abilities, yeah.

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Quick, so yeah, maybe we can just do it cause it's so generally, you can start from the male increased and from the get a shot. So the meter shot is here. For example, you can just join, and but people and I'll show how many people we have right now here, but he still something which we may utilize at least getting some visibility. So by plan AuthorRank.

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Christian, would you be interested I.

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Can help with that one or I know a couple people on the Evergreen group I was like I can help out with that one too. Okay,.

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It's old, if you can help relate it, would be really helpful so for pipeline, not rank. I was already talking about some projects. They inaugural meeting of contact. I, know drinks it. So we have just a second, so we have promoted bills equivalent for pipeline. We shall submit the results pipeline book.

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The communication man generator and.

B

I even mentioned that was something they were looking for. So I could definitely think that they're gonna get behind.

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Yeah right so the main problem with this project that probably I'm not ready to commit to mental rate right now, but yeah, not sure I, think.

F

There's already a project proposal related to documentation that Christine and I kind of started talking about last year. Yes,.

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Yeah right, so, if you can somehow they work so why we didn't get much attraction this project last year is because it wasn't much about code, so we you can adjust it. So it's a coding project, then it's totally eligible for google Summer of Code, and actually this thing may be one of our images.

B

Okay, I'll kind of beef up the part about how there is code involved- it's just maybe it wasn't as a parent uh-huh.

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B

Be in the project proposal to anyone who might have been interested, they were worried. They'd just be writing documentation. It's there, but yeah.

A

Right, so what else we have configuration is code actually I wanted to talk to Evelyn about it today, but she wasn't able to attend to the daily meeting. But yeah I could just sync up this villain and maybe we could get something carbonized well.

F

Okay, I I was interested as well or.

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Okay, oh just take it, it's perfect, okay with me: okay, Oh key and that's it. So what else do we have infrastructure, I.

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Have an infrastructure idea, the other day which.

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Boy, it's something see there on the Gator chat or or on IRC. Oh, it's. The update, Center Danielle Beck keeps telling us that the update Center is is a okay. I'm gonna quote him. He says the design is shitty and and and I replied back saying. Well, would you like to have help.

F

The first reflux, the first, the first response we get from people when we offer help is that they don't have time to to spend on someone who wants to help them. So I was trying to convince him that you know four hours a week. Five hours a week of meandering could solve his update center problems, but.

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Leader of security team- and he has a lot of other things, so we understand that it may be difficult for him to dedicate even a few hours, sometimes on the crisis consistent basis, one of the thing I guess I can offer to you. I recently we have hosted the Jersey on the jinkies air organization. It's actually embedded update side, which is a kind of standalone project, its of this center incinerator, and if you don't want to use infrastructure due to whatever reasons so it would be one of the options you may want to consider.

A

If you want to do something stand alone, for example, but yeah, of course, if you interested to work on something with an interest rate sheet, you may need to talk to Danielle about bed and maybe tour de Vere who know its many infrastructure efforts.

F

Okay, I think I met him at the Olivier. I met him at the hack house right. She was there. Okay.

F

Yeah I can properly with that.

F

Okay, if you'd be interested.

A

Well, so maybe it makes sense and I'll show, but ya know it worth trying anyway and yeah, and what else do we have? If we take a look at Jenkins, I/o, so sub projects that is so remoting?

A

Well, we did good project this year wish we could continue so actually I wanted to discuss with Sauron whether he wants to somehow organize a follow-up projects for it. So it's something I will do I believe.

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So it's remoting mainly regarding its upon but yeah. Let's see.

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Regarding other projects, we have lotion I'm, not sure.

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And yeah: that's it from the list.

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So I create a region code to bloat and contributors multiple time, it's mainly to make sense to at least asking the chart, but here I'm not sure how effective it will be. But does anybody want to try something from this area? I.

F

Don't use blue ocean, so it's not something that I know but asking asking for reaching out to them to see if they would be interested in participating in Jessica's.

F

That's something I can do, but I have much many ideas for them.

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Well rate started working on extensibility recently, so now we may be quite natural. For example, if we take code coverage, plugins story.if motion extensibility is.

F

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Then probably a dental products to have coverage integration for blue ocean and something like that. But yeah he's still in its discussion because I'm not sure. What's the state and the would other plans of the sub-project.

F

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So, let's park it for a while, so I'll ask around and understand whether it makes sense to push in this event at all so yeah, oh just supersonic and yeah. By the way, there is a big active project. So if you see a plug-in or if you know that there is some activity in a particular row, you can just go there offer something.

A

So just in case you have any ideas reaching out to people directly is really nice, and if you want to do that, just put something here so that we know that you're going to reach the particle of people and we can also synchronize.

A

Okay, okay, so any other topics for today, because yeah we're running covered time, I beat you spend some time on setting up a live recording, but here.

E

There are some guidelines in the Jaro tasks and do they have um or people gonna be taking ownership for them, like the ones for the mentors and the students I'm asking because I don't like for me not having been a student or a mentor I'm, not sure if I can write out the kind lines, but if others have been mentors and students, maybe it's easier for them to write out the guidelines.

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Yep, so if you see such tasks, I believe that go for this weak force is to just get dependent changes for their site and project ideas, framework ready and then let's talk about mentor and student guidelines next week, because yep we have something to do. Definitely, but here maybe you have mobile device to discuss it. Okay,.

E

Sounds good okay, so.

A

Now, thanks Martin for scheduling weekly meetings, so then we meet weekly and give let's try to make everything's rolling.

F

Is it too early for you Jeff.

D

No, no, not a novel I. You know I I get up normally about 5:00 5:00 a.m. it's just 6:00 a.m. my time. So it's perfect. Okay, okay,.

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I guess a bit seed and you know let's sync up in one week so thanks to everybody for the interest and let's try to get project IDs on the table.

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Thank you, ollie.

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