Jenkins Google Summer of Code Office Hours, 22 May 2019

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Meeting notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H0gJt1zdr37YDpuSLXSeFqYco_a_CIrAuZ1f0Oyl4XE/edit?usp=sharing

A

Really so yeah today's the Google of jae-seok special interest group meeting Summer of Code status and then just have a sometimes to Duke or navy students. Whomever is interested to ask any questions. Oh I think I'll just share my screen.

A

Okay, is it visible.

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Yes, yes, okay,.

A

Because it starts next Monday, so this is our last office hours before the recording and yes called students to make sure the Terry Yoshio went through their phone and that you have elections as a part of the community for him. So Jay near our expectation, get introduced to be coming in here.

A

And you know what to do pudding session so yeah, just three expectations.

A

Yeah, if something didn't happen so far, please think your mentors as soon as possible and please follow up on your action items as soon as possible and actually my question master students and Dementors would be that I do have any help from orbitons.

A

Okay, so I see no questions right now cheated okay, so yeah. One of the first issue was brought up at the last meeting that there is a need to have a kind of dashboard or whatever, mostly for these posts, so that you have a plan for the first coding phase. So currently we have a dashboard.

A

Is data so data that there is a dashboard put google Summer of Code mm? Thank him so yeah I'm, just short.

A

Okay, so yeah he's our GM. If you go there, you may see that there is a number of screens, so what we have sprint foolish face, so community bonus put in phase one and then phase 2 phase 3, and that is already a number of tickets. So we know that with issue on the dashboard, you need to label it with a G, stop 2019 traffic C believe yeah, just a stop to summon 19. So.

A

Justin 19 and after that, be a BA in the backlog, and after that you can just these issues for Subway take from video and to put in phase 1 just for an example, but it's pretty much a sample issue which is already a work in progress, so you know fix it later, do the same for your Isha's and actually what is asked that before the coding phase starts, you playtest issues for the first coding phase and put them to the dashboard.

A

You'll have all the filters, so you will be able to search issues in your projects, click them, but yeah. It would be nice if you put these issues on the dashboard.

A

Ok, any questions about jitter dashboard and how it works, because yep people may have a different experience with jitter. So if you have any questions, any feedback, oh.

B

Yeah, when I, when I'm on the dashboard, like when I click on a particular issue in the right side panel, it shows up the issue.

B

So if you add a link to the particular issue, it doesn't show up in the right panel when you, when you just expand it, it shows up as.

A

I mean project teams or.

B

What you know issue link like there is a section for each link in in the issue, and you created all right, so we unfortunately this.

A

Is not video and yeah? Unfortunately, we do have so our options to modify the layout I'll check.

B

Ok and another thing about the pipeline authoring is a GC meeting so, but you are saying that it will be happening today. No activity in the group.

A

Yeah, it so I believe that there is coupon now so I'm, not sure whether andrew is planning to have a meeting with. Let's check.

A

Okay, I just asked okay and yeah. If you have for such topics as a portal coming for me, don't hesitate to reach out to people directly because here are some projects related to six. So here two projects for pipeline two projects for cognitive, see one project for platform and yeah, mmm at least as a part of demos. For the first coding phase, we will be using lists sickbed forms, but you can reach out to this special interest groups, the very end of it, with some feedback.

A

Okay, all these to get introduced. So it should be something to consider.

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Any other questions so yeah we have some students who haven't yet created tickets in Jenkins jitter. Please do so and if you haven't to discussed what would be your plan for the first coding freeze, also, please do so. Who is your mentor as soon as possible, because yeah that was kiss know that coding phase starts and you didn't know what exactly took hold in such case?

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Firstly, it's just a waste of time and secondly, yeah it's a cloning issue, so we wanted to avoid that if you need any help from all that means in order to make things happen, is reach out to us through private channels. So we have abused or alternate means I'm better. If something is going wrong, we will help to facilitate the things but yep by the according by the time, couldn't face the stuffs on Monday.

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We expect all projects to have at least implementation in education, because it will be all mine engine for communication getting through the phases.

A

So, regarding the rest, yep big titties, to be able to work, we had a kid he said twist and several projects again. If you are missing something. If you are missing information, please images as soon as possible.

A

So yeah, that's pretty much all I wanted to present today in terms of project organization, so we can include if I say some questions right now. So if you have any questions, so if you see that something because missing cookies between cover these topics yeah, we will be able to discuss that.

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So you think in etosha say.

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Is everything is fine, yeah, okay,.

C

Yeah I was gonna, say I, don't think I have any questions. um We had a call yesterday and we haven't started doing like JIRA tickets at, but I will make sure to get those and in the next couple days and yeah I think at least in terms of my project. Probably the first part is I, think gonna be still kind of exploratory, so um but yeah I will create to get stuff like that, but other than that I don't have any specific questions.

D

Oleg, do we have any special interest group for our project.

A

So I was talking about having security special interest group so to have so there is a security team.

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Fixing security, defects, etc.

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Public meetings, so we have private meetings. I brought up a question about having something public.

A

Yeah one of the options so that we proceed without a special interest group for now. Oh just try to make it organized on the fight so, for example, sending a message to the security team. Well, yeah, probably it's not the best thing, but instead of that, we could reach out to potential users, so we can send a message that they use it might increase. That is also an opportunity to have a blog post earlier so that you reach out to by the community and the eight can help to bring in some stakeholders.

D

I sent the same email that went to the developer mailing list to the user mailing list. On the suggestion of writing. Baptists.

A

Users so yeah, that is going to say users mailing list they actually it's something which oh I'm not change. My skin enumerated.

A

Okay, so I'm presenting think again: oh yeah he's a Jenkins users, madest mine at least. You may see that there is. The number of you is close to zero, but it's mostly because the most of people have subscriptions. So, for example, I old, I don't use many increase and many people do not really use the medium. Please interrupt here, but here fold projects.

A

It might make sense to have some visibility here at some point, at least when you have something to share it's perfectly fine to send it to the users mailing list and the same for the community channels. So like make this a little bloke once you have something to share and then maybe it makes sense to use these channels in order to promote your projects, and if you need to IDs just talk to you mentors because yeah there are ways to get things promoted.

A

Okay, so yeah whatever channel, is something we could use.

D

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Try to see what we can do. Okay, in the worst case, just press it without special interest broke, try to be different, because enroll surgery plug-in has so many users that you probably do entry be Newton special interest just to get some attention from users.

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They see how to do it. That.

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Way time what we could do, we could actually, so what all such a plug-in has a meaty page and we could post. For example, let's say we could have an enhancement box right on the NICU page. If there are opens.

A

Okay, so we could probably just put a box here, sent that hey. There is a gold project for performance improvements if you're interested to join our channels. It could also help.

A

So for all such a plug-in, you can actually do it on your own because hey it's VK, so you can edit this page and me before the projects it something like that. It could be done. For example, forget laughs, I mean it definitely could be done. External workspace manager. You can adjustment if I needed help to have links to your project, so yeah.

A

Okay, so you something you can use.

B

E

I'm something I wanted to mention and when we send pull requests, do we need to tag them with special keywords or special labels.

A

Okay, it's something to discuss so the problem that, in order to take a pull request, you need to have write permissions to the repository. So it means that it's not possible in all cases. What we usually recommend to do is there, so we can just take a look at the Jenkins Jenkins.

A

Yes, so what we need, for example, for what emotion project we created a team, so, okay, what we need that there is teams.

A

Yes, she's okay motion team, which includes basically, all metals and the student right now and once this team is created, firstly, a student musician, so he or she can use these themes for mentioned.

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He also can request reviews from the team if needed, see, see the team when you submit so my advice would be when you create a public Wesley that you see, seems team or.

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F

Look would it be good if, when they send me, pull requests in that they actually add the had the mentor in the league mentor as a reviewer in the pull request, I.

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B

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So, for example, with the example, the strategical requests from- are you there about micro benchmarks for Java? So, for example, here, if we take a look at this pool, request yeah, no, it doesn't mention the mentors etc, because you have a chat for that. But what we could do you could say that, for example,.

A

So it's the most simple way to request once you do that all members will get an email notification in order to do that, we don't need to have it to be a mentor started to be a member of the requisition. You do not need to have recognitions in order to request reviews here.

A

Unfortunately, you know you have to have permissions to the repository, but it means that, in order to be able to request refused, you would have to be merciful admissions to the project and, for example, in this case we could make it's not a big deal. We could do that, but yeah for some projects, for example for Jenkins code. If in some projects you need to update that it wouldn't be possible, at least it would be really tricky to do that.

A

So I would rather recommend to the Levin mentions and another thing to simplify mentions what we could do. We potentially just create new teams.

A

So, for example, we could create a team for Jesus off to some acquaintance.

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So this team actually allows us to.

A

So this time I will allow us to add you to the jinx organization so that they will be able just comment everywhere, etc, and what you can do you can just navigate to this URL and then you can ask to become a member of this team and later we can create specific teams for projects. If you.

C

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C

That, instead of see seeing people individually like saying like GC at mentor, you're saying like if we join a team, we can just like add the whole team. Is that correct.

A

So you can create a team of four project and then we, this team will be portable. So as long as a student or as a mentor on one bottle changes organization and then, if they join the team, they will be able to see see all the people without repeating this. Is there every time.

A

So, in order to request such share teams, you generally just go to Jenkins data.

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Here you create a new ticket, for example just a new ticket, so the project is.

A

So something like that.

A

Okay, once you do that, you just click, read yeah, you can add some information, but these tickets, but they get assigned today. You just assign here them to me because you have admissions and I will be able to do it quickly.

A

Yep thanks Martin for doing that.

A

Yeah, so if these teams help you can just do something like that, you can also add them to this up to some banking lab, so they will appear in our dashboard. Also, oh, maybe not, if not able to get it fixed. Okay,.

A

So yeah, basically, if you need that, just let us know and if you need any other things from Jegs infrastructure is also something we can help miss. For example, if you need to host a new component, let us know we will help.

A

Or if you need any specific things, for example docker hub or whatever, we also can help it with.

A

So speaking of that, does anybody need any intro to be done.

B

I needed access to enterprise, no kids lab, so we get lovest. Two versions like there is a community version and a ultimate or Enterprise version. So as I don't have the link as of now, but Jenkins has the permission to access the Enterprise version as an open source organization, so I'm not sure who has that those credentials? Well, we do have a.

A

Press account for a flop. So if you need that the best way is to start.

B

Maybe sometime later.

B

Brakes get lab list some of the open source organism. Okay, can you hear me now yeah.

B

Hello, yep, okay, so maybe later I can share you. The link. Okay, maybe I, later change. The link, like their gait lab, mentions a list of open source organizations who contribute towards the gate lab. So maybe I am assuming during the development of grid lab plugin. It was the Jenkins or was a part of it, and it lists Jenkins as one of the open source organization who has those access to the enterprise.

A

So basically, it's hard to say about that right now, because yeah I can I, don't know what I get laughs, conditionals I'm, not sure whether they would be open to give access specifically to the Jenkins project, because while github has github CI, so it's not create what would be the company's position about it.

A

We can definitely discuss it, but I don't have a definite answer right now. So what would be my advice? Is you discuss this topic with mentors and then, once you have a decision, whether you want to go on the Enterprise version reach out to the informating list, so that you can get sign open access for that, because yeah.

A

Because almost all such special requests from the governance meeting.

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Okay, okay and you have a.

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E

Have a question: sorry: if this has been answered already, is there one scrum board per JSOC team or it's one scrum board for all of them.

A

For everyone, but you can stop recruiters and I, will stop work with filters for projects once epics created because I need epic stated by students so that they set up quick filters.

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E

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Mmediately we could create separate boards and separate sprints for each project, but yeah I'm not sure what would be hearing even better.

E

Okay, so students are expected to create the epics and put there the.

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E

Labels and it's one epic per sprint, sorry one epic per coding phase well.

A

Epics up to you, you can have multiple epics if you want, but right now we have one sprint, your one coding phase, so it means that Sprint's have approximately four weeks. If you want to have shorter Sprint's like two weeks. Okay, we could do that but yeah. Basically, it's up to you.

E

Well, if it's common, everybody has to follow the same sprint durations. If we use this print feature, if we just use it for filtering and ranking, then then it is better. So.

A

That's why I didn't go too much to create it before community bonus of it, because last year we eat spring boards etc, but effectively nobody used them. So here.

A

The discussion at the previous week, but again, if nobody uses to them, probably we don't need to spend time. If somebody wants to use them, then we can adjust upon the demon upon the request. So if you want to have two big sprints, it's something we can help you it. If you want to have specific field or separate boss, but it spins. We can do that, but yeah there should be such requests and yeah. That's it.

A

C

um Can you do you mind repeating like what the expectations for students are again, so students should create um the epics and the tasks? Is that correct? Well,.

A

We can even survive without epics, so epics are rather useful for you in order to define milestones and what needs to be done for them. So because, for example, you can set milestone, I, forgive ease of a plug-in management library and you can create an epic footage, use a list of tasks you need to complete. And then you have, let's say 20 tasks, and you discuss these tasks with mentors, and you will read that 15 tasks to be done just coding phase and then.

A

So you still have because it delivering, but you put tasks to different speeds. It's just one of the examples how you could use it, but yeah. Basically, it's up to you how you operate with them. What we need you to do is to create tasks and to create and to set labels for them and yeah. The rest is what we could.

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E

Do you mean tasks or do you mean JIRA stories well,.

A

Zero tasks stories actually.

E

It's easier okay, so if terminology but functionally JIRA stories are easier to manipulate inside springboards then asks if we ever use this tarts print feature. So I would recommend stories. It doesn't matter in the end, but stories are easier to manipulate okay.

A

So let's talk a bit about the terminology, because now I am also confused. Okay, so let's see what we have in jitta. We have issues so issues have multiple types tasks about future improvement. Whatever story from a management standpoint, it doesn't really differ.

A

There is no difference, but it's tasks, you're storing a new feature, but whatever so, whatever type you create, you can easily manage the boss, so maybe what you meant Marston is a sub tasks, not tasks.

E

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Yeah, so generally, what is what I tried to say that they expect you to create issues? These issues can have different types depending on your needs, so you can choose whatever for sheer pleasure.

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E

Okay, for, for the sake of simplicity, personally, I use, epics and stories and the other ones I almost never use them, because they don't behave well in the scrum and in the swimlanes. When we start Sprint's.

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Something specific to your data, probably yeah. So in the case of Jenkins, do this all these steps have exactly the same workflow. So it doesn't really matter what you take accept epics, because epics something for broken, but for the rest, you can take whatever type. There is no practical difference between story and, for example, improvement or new feature and change it on okay,.

E

So if they use the same workflow, then it's gonna get easier to clarify epic epic is is a grouping, but it's a grouping or typically over a period of typically, an epoch is over a period of time, which is longer than a sprint.

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It could be longer than sprint and it would be shot at the stream. So my personal approach for epic said that I use a picks for deliverables. For example, let's say: I have a full butt plug in and I have epic full part alpha release so yep.

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Alpha release of football I create this epic.

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Okay, is here and let's say it's yep Chuseok to some function and in this epoch you can say that, okay, what do we need to create it? So we say that I want to have feature. Example.

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Meet you let's say: ok, a new.

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Page, oh, okay, something like that. Okay I will definitely need to clean it up later so yeah we put label and we can create a few more these tasks or you can just donate so here, for example, you say that poster like in the repository and, let's say, write documentation.

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Oklahoma vet documentation.

A

What so, let's assume I'm a student. So as a student I have three epochs or so I have an epic and they have a free-kick, its antiseptic. Then I go to the board and, for example, we have a meeting these matters and we agree that yeah we create a page is a part of first coding phase.

A

Then we create we host to the plug-in is important, adjust according phase, but you gotta try the tradition. We can agree that we do it in a second coding phase and we can say that. Okay, we have it. Maybe she says, but they've actually, two tasks. We want to be performed first coding phase and the last or second pudding face all. We can agree that it goes here. So it's something like you may want.

A

But here epic is just way too, so all of you have separate deliverables in your form. Okay, you can.

C

Go for something like updating! You know. We have like our project pages and stuff like that with that go on that would that go under an epic and then we'd have just like separate tasks, for you know, update after coding phase one and update after coding, phase two and so on. Yeah.

A

Okay, so we don't have a requirement to have dozens of JIRA tickets or whatever it's something. You decide these mentors, but yeah. What history shows so that if you have fun train tickets, then it's very easier for you to share the tasks is better for you to track the process and yep. So our advice is generally two tickets, so read documentation. Write test is probably okay rapacious from Luque, but if you have, for example, five features you want to deliver, probably it's better to have separate tasks or separate stories for that.

A

Okay, is it clear now.

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Oh, is it or snow.

E

um Okay, well, thanks for Lake for the explanation, I was disconnected from the network and I just rejoined, so I'll watch the recording. Oh.

A

Yeah so anything else to discuss today any questions any help needed, for example, I was surprised. The TFA didn't need help with AWS accounts. So maybe it's something for my interest to clarify with the student.

A

For other projects, yet not a worry about hanging specific infrastructure requirements, but if we're missing something please let us know.

A

Any other questions topic for the discussion on session. We have something quite 10 means that.

A

Sorry this seems there is no other topics, so yeah. If you need any help, if you need any clarification, is using it a chance. So we we have for the next meeting. You know so when the coding storms, but if you need any other time of clarification, just use the Gator shell. All orchid means the present day. Matters also present there. So we will be able to help you without waiting till the next meeting.

A

Then I think we can just stop the broadcast for now.

A

Yeah, by the way, some organizational changes so marki will be joining the JSOC opening team also rejoining.

A

So we will have ammo capacity in terms of handing things which was one of the feedback we put for community bonded face all over again, so we will try to have more bandwidth and yeah probably will build to doing some shifts in terms of fatigue mentors. So we have some background discussions about that. So he's gonna be surprised if, for such changes happen, nothing really changes in terms of projects and goals. Please keep working with your mentors and as much assistance as we can.

F

Thank you thank.

A

You I just forgot to tell about it in the beginning, but you.

F

For those that don't know me, I've, been in the Jenkins community for quite a while and I maintain around a few plugins and I've been a mentor, so I'm glad to be in the or admin orc. And if you need anything, please don't hesitate to reach out.

F

Have a good day good evening, everybody.

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