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Meeting notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H0gJt1zdr37YDpuSLXSeFqYco_a_CIrAuZ1f0Oyl4XE/edit?usp=sharing

A

Hello, hello, everyone welcome to the Jessica weekly meeting. Today we have a regular sink up to talk about been coming to South Tucson at 19. We have already applied to G, so we wait for the application feedback, but in.

A

A

Okay, so we we just talked about the project's, try to get them over the fence and answer any kinds of questions from students and mentors. So that's the objective I'll share my screen and yeah this my screen now. So, if anybody wants to join, there is a deeper chat and ambiguous chat. You can find a link to the broadcast, so you can just join the participant link or people posted in the YouTube and the results. A link to the meeting notes and so comedian will have specific topics say in the agenda.

A

But since we have new people on the call, let's do some introductions and yeah. We can sync up on ongoing action items and yeah honey and then project ideas review anything else to the agenda.

A

Okay, it guess not so, yes, we have several people.

A

Would you guys be interested to introduce yourself.

B

Hello, hello, everyone, I'm, sorry, lolani and I joined the AG group I think a month ago, but I was busy in my projects so for starting starters, I have read the Jenkins handbook and I have also developed one plug-in using bad lungs, blog post, so I'm exploring Jenkins right now and I was interested in configuration as a code plug-in and road strategy, performance, plugins and so I read the documentation about configuration s code. It says, but I think I read it one week ago.

B

So it said we have to select some plugins which we, which we can improve. So is there any further talk on which plugins should we improve or I have to explore some plugins you? Let's.

A

Take a look at its late edit to the agenda so that we will discuss once we get to that.

A

Intro, okay I did that, so we also have our nap on the call. Would you be interested introduce yourself? Oh yeah,.

C

Hi hi everyone- this is so actually I. I was a DS Hawk student last year and I had done my project under the I n CF organization, so the project was in Python and it was in the domain of computational biology and in the Dominos it was like basically as in the intersection of biology and coding. Basically so from a domain point of view, it was. It was not something that was related to what Jenkins is all about, but it was a good G hog experience and I completed the project successfully.

C

So now that I've graduated from college I'm not allowed to be a g-shock student anymore, so I won't be applying as a student this time. But this time there are two projects: the discard steps, the build steps project and like working on that plug in that project and the other project, which is probably the only project in the list which is in the Windows environment, c-sharp, and all that. So those two projects are something that I found a little interesting I haven't yet jumped into the codebase.

C

I haven't done a deep dive analysis yet which I plan to do in the coming days. So I am planning to co-mentor those two projects and yeah and since is my first time just giving an introduction so currently I'm working as a software developer at Credit Suisse, which is a bank I, don't know if you heard of it or not,.

A

Okay, thanks for the introduction and yeah, we also have a Python project, a Glee interview. We can talk about them later, okay and Martin. Could you please introduce and much in salt but yeah? That is a student together, video.

D

Yes, I'll pass him the mic.

E

E

Like I'm, a student I'm just in grade 12, applying for University and applying for a software engineering computer science, so this is probably what you're doing is what I might be doing in the future. So was I want to see what you do.

E

D

Thank You Derek.

D

Well, I'll just introduce myself quickly. My name is Marta and I'm, a orchid min on this program as well as a metaphor.

E

A

We also have so my name is a Latino chef. We have Jeff Pierce on the color, we have Flo chunk and we also have Rico on the call who is very mentor for the give up is same plugin. We already introduced ourselves so yeah. Maybe we could continue with the discussion unless we want to spend more time on introductions. What would you prefer.

A

Okay and let's move one, so let's take a look at auction items so yeah that configures coat of discarding billster, then you will have some other project ideas. Okay, actually, I moved here. Okay, now, let's take start from the action items. So we have some action items which.

A

Open for a while so Martin it seems you invited every mentor to the main Mentalist right. At least there were a lot of messages about that. Yes,.

D

I did the invite from the Gator chat.

D

My plan was to look at I'll, look at the list and see if everybody is signed up and if not I'll send reminders again, I think the next time I go with personal messages and since I don't have those.

A

Okay, thank you or if your mentor and if you're, not in the many, please let us know, we will add you or you can just request- join us on alpha another action items, so swag distribution in print ink. So my plan is to get everything delivered during February if nothing gets delete regarding special interest groups, Hardware in DC is published it's ready and by the seek it's still on me, but we do not have a project ideas for embedded space so far, so it's not a critical for Jae Seok but yeah.

A

If somebody wants to have something specific to embedded, you are more than welcome to do that and Jae Seok or Cardin checklist. It's still open expense report, Jeff still not done. Okay in the worst case, you can just donate its to drinking, but yet.

F

A

Expense, it's fine and actually.

F

To be honest, I was considering just doing that, so why don't we say that that's the outcome, yeah.

A

We will just need to trust iki to send you a thank you message after that: okay, lucky yeah, then what else do we have here? We had some Marconi last week: I believe that election items I'm always done so we get got some clarity on multi-branch support. Forget whopper, let's discuss it today, since we have both mentors, then yeah be still. We need to organize something for dr. things, but we started a new guitar shot photo curve.

A

So I believe that everybody interested in this project will be moving there and they will be more focused discussions. So yeah I think this action item is also done and yeah. What else did we have? Actually, let's sit from last time? I believe am I missing any action items. Oh.

A

Yeah I, like being in the folks about project application feedback, so we have a one week before the application deadline. Everything is in place, but if you want to propose improvements and the application, it would be better to do it now. So please take a look at our application document and if you want to change something, especially your orchid mean or a mentor, let us know so: it's like it is here, do southern 19 and in the bottom you can see application draft.

A

So this modern down document and effectively you can just propose a pull request and once you do that you, the word effects in our application.

G

Like this Lloyd, yet another item- I'm sorry I- have put it in the same paragraph as Dockers assigned to Martin was about balancing the mentors across projects and ideas for mentors not to be spread too thin. Larsen, say you'll, give it a thought on it, so I assign it to him in the Google Doc, okay,.

A

Should we discuss it later.

A

Balancing mentors or this one okay, so we will think more about it. So here we can adjust, discuss it today. If we get to that mmm Martin, are you fine with it or do you want to take more time to process it? Well.

D

I think when we, when we get to the point where we, where we've reviewed the student applications, is when we're gonna have to do the balancing for now it's just. We have to keep all the project proposals going.

D

You know, as as students are asking questions, we just have to keep it going. I, don't know that right away, yeah.

A

A

So for now the should be no less traffic, though yeah this project ID, is said requires some one time, and here we get some student request: yeah, that's nice, but yeah. It also requires mentor time. So, let's press it to Coney, then and then yeah. Probably if there are more thoughts, we can just discuss it after the meeting. So configuration has code plugins to improve how many mentors do we have today on the call me and Marcin right, so no other mentors for this project. So just want is this question that is.

A

So there is our project IDs list and various configuration is called comfortability project. So in this project.

A

Okay, now it should be fine in this project we have, we do not have specific list of plugins, but what we do. We H the reference plug-in compatibility, dashboard it's here and there is a number of plugins which still need to be made compatible. This G soak service configuration is called plugin, so there are some major plugins, for example, let's take a look, for example: jitter plug-in Gradle plug-in and get a trigger.

A

They are not integrated or some there are some minor fits in other plugins and, moreover, there may be other plugins which are not compatible. So there is a quick start and actually the QuickStart presumes that you can adjust.

A

You could try several demos and if you like this project idea, you can just take a look at existing plugins and see what is not compatible. So we have. We expect students to come up with their own list of plugins, though we can make some suggestions as mentors so margin from the top of your head. What each plugins would you recommend to focus on I.

D

Would go with them most, the plugins that have the most installations, but off the top of my head. I know that there's been some progress on the external workspace manager, but it's not a very popular plug-in.

A

Yeah, so we can just go to plugins, drink Sao and if you're interested, you can just open plug-in- and you see here, you can see number of installations. So, for example, this is something like seven thousand, which is a pretty high for a plugin and yeah. We can take something else. What else we can take Mahler plugin, for example, but here a major plug-in is installed almost everywhere, so it's 200 solvent installations and yeah. There is to some improvements possible here for Jake asked yeah.

A

You can take plugins based on installation numbers, so my recommendation would be to actually take plugins based on your own preferences. So we, if you like particular area of if you are interested in get steak or if you're interested in AWS steak or something like that. You could just make a proposal around these steaks, so you can propose. I would like to work on a plug-ins in let's say for Microsoft Asia, you just explore the plugins and find some issues there and provide at least of soybeans.

A

You want to focus on and it would be a really good starting point for project application. So we shariah would you interest to you cigar.

B

Hello, like I, think I will explore a Quick Start Guide, which we have given.

H

B

Document and I and I am quite interested in I. Think a double is so I will explore the edible space and see if I can make any improvements. Yeah.

A

So for AWS you can just get the even just search for AWS shows yeah, quite a number of plugins and I'm definitely sure that some of these plugins are not compatible music asked so how to discover them. One of the ways is actually to look at compatible gingka special numbers, because if the question is low, for example, if it's something like 1 532 or so most likely, the plug-in uses all KPIs and it's much more likely that this plug-in isn't compatible with Jake asked.

A

So if you want to discover issues, it's one of the ways you just take a look at this list find plugins which you like we use. So if you use a AWS lambda that is lambda plug-in device form, that is also plug-in, cetera, et cetera. So you take a look at these plugins. Most likely you will see some incompatibilities, and yet it could be a good starting point.

A

B

I'll, let guys watch it with okay.

A

So that's good so.

C

All the guy I wanted to discuss about something like about the list of projects. Actually, so I was wondering if it would be a good idea to maybe you know in the projects page if we have maybe an additional attribute for each of the ideas, wherein maybe those senior contributors of the Jenkins team can decide which projects are maybe high priority, because some organizations have seen what they do. Is they write that for every project they write? The priority like? Is that a high priority project or a.

H

Low low priority project.

C

So what happens is when the student application period opens and when there is a sudden inflow of a lot of students who are, you know going through all the all the product ideas of many organizations so so.

F

Sometimes, when a student is confused.

H

C

Idea to work on, and maybe if there are multiple project ideas which are always all like equally interesting to the student, then then the student might the students decision to decide which project to work on might depend on that. You know I don't know if it will be a good idea to do that for Jenkins as well, but because, like you, said that there are many plugins and they all, they are all like concerned with different stats. Like some.

D

C

To get some are related to eight of us, so I don't know if it would be a good idea to do it, but yeah. So maybe even yes,.

A

So Rankine projects is definitely a good idea. The problem is how to run these projects, because yeah, one of the ways would be to just rank them by value to the community, but in the case of Jenkins, the value of community really depends on your use cases, because the.

H

A

May be completely different, so just using this criteria it would be extremely complicated. So we can potentially say that okay, core features would be higher priority for the community than plug-in features, but I would say that even in this list it doesn't seem to be fully correct.

A

So we have, if you have ideas, how to rank or these projects. It would be interesting to know.

C

A

C

And another another attribute which generally like again like we don't have to do it just because some other organizations also do it. But.

H

C

Thing with some organizations have noticed to do is that so in the skills column, apart from the fact that you know so, and so languages will be used in this project. Sometimes sometimes they also, you know, write write another thing if it will be a difficult project.

D

Or if it will be a competitive, behavior project.

C

To do so, I don't know it's like. You said that these things are a little complicated to decide because, especially for the importance part like you said, what might be important for the community might not be important for someone who is using you not using that plugin. So it depends on the use case, like you said so. Yeah.

A

Yeah thanks for big feedback. So what do others think so.

G

We discussed this topic in a slightly different way in the previous meeting and why my thoughts there and I think I relate marches, because, although you had to step off the call and arlynn wasn't part of the chickens, mentorship yeah was that we should prioritize in ensuring that students all students interested in apply for a project can receive mentorship. So it's a slightly different way to think about it.

G

Our primary interest is in building community as a highest priority, and in doing that is to ensure that we have enough mentors for all the students in projects of Porgy saw and which means I, don't think it's something we could immediately address tactically, but would be until later at I. Wouldn't margin says what we need to start balancing out. Mentors are distributed across project proposals from students. I know self want complicated, improper type of thing.

G

We can easily put on TV check-ins I a website like how other projects, which is simply this priority, high priority, low priority, medium and so on. For ours we actually need to see the student applications in order to make that type of priority assignment in tall.

C

Okay, yeah I think make sense. Yeah yeah.

A

So one of the simple ways to do that will be to just soft the projects by the number of potential Mentors. Well, it's something we could do. I am not accentuate well in these projects. It's probably the best criteria. We could estimate is a big in contact when you to the community or project priorities, because if there are momentous there are higher chances that this project is interesting to the community and that it may be successful when I and it may be scheduled one ligament balance and.

A

Make sense if we just soft project.

G

I think we can do that as a first step. My concern is obviously for yourself. Oh, like Martin you'll, probably have to divide yourself using fractional numbers, because you're spread across five or more projects for each of you, exact.

A

Count yeah in my case, since we have someone going to discussions I already built some preferences, so I could remove myself from a few of this project, see if you feel that there are too many entries for me.

G

Yeah, the specific context were came up, was in a prior meeting vineeth had asked. He was interesting in several projects in or recommendation which one he might want to pursue based on the communities priority, and my response to him was that both Andre and Justin are available as mentors, but only for the doctor projects and since beneath how already been in conversation with them online about it.

G

Try continuing that one where's, the other projects- I, don't know at this time where their mentors would be available or not. So that's a specific example about this conversation yeah. So.

A

Here we have potential mentors so right now there is no strict commitment from mentors as well as there is no strict commitment from students. Now we try to ensure the team enters Dundas day and what means being commander. If we have discussions with people who want to join this list to understand that they can really commit on that potentially do they understand your point employed but yeah I'm, not 100% sure, or we put an address that I.

G

Think it has to be a case-by-case basis.

A

For example, for me, the program my bet yeah I'm, listed in many projects, because these projects are potentially interesting to me and if the reserve boot application from student then, depending on the quality of applications, my preference is among these projects may differ so I just did that I would consider to be near mentor in projects for and that I am ready to be a contact point at this face. That's why he, my name is not everywhere, but in many projects, I think it's ok, but yeah.

A

So, let's sorting projects by number of matters, it's something we can. We can do let's say easy to implement. What else can we do in order to improve experience for students.

A

Mm, what if you proposed, removing mentors or if they listed in too many projects, probably something calls we can go all Sam yeah.

A

Sorry, your audio.

E

A

Yes, can you know yes, okay,.

C

So let's say when Jenkins is giving the application to Google so for every project, the list of mentor also has to be given all or is there a pool of Poulos mentors given and then the distribution can can be like liquid later on, or is it that before the applique for during the application period itself does Jenkins have to make it clear to Google who are going to be the mentor which project no.

A

It's not needed, so it happens during the student selection phase. So before the student selection phase, we don't commit on potential on a mentor steams. We expected to provide approximate number of people who interested to be mentors, and we we have this number from this list, but we don't commit to provide mark immediately because it just doesn't make sense. We can say that okay, here we have this project. For example, ad coverage, adopters yeah. We may have a brilliant student application and then everybody from the wrist wants to mentor with it or maybe not.

A

Maybe we can. We won't get tickets at all and mentors from here will migrate to other projects. So right now there is no committed mentor teams.

C

Okay, so I think then the issue of balancing vendors, then don't you think that it should really be much of an issue then because over the next month, as the as we see like which projects are getting student attention and which projects are not getting student attention so accordingly, then maybe the balancing can breed and then like will it be something to worry about now.

C

G

I, just that makes us to me just when this initially came up in the previous office hour. It was more from the students perspective of saying they're all listed as potential mentors I'm, not quite sure which one I should proceed, and both Martin and I recommend that the most successful projects, or once our driven by the students in ensuring that the outreach to mentors results in a good working relationship yeah. That's.

A

C

Yeah and also I think during the proposal phase. What I have also noticed is that most of the successful projects are those in which, like well before the deadline, the students start working on their proposals and they have their draft reviewed multiple times by the community members and they have multiple changes made to their proposal and so that by the time the deadline comes. Their proposal is almost perfect to be selected for that project.

A

A

Students reach out to us at least one month before the deadline, but here anyway mental balancing happens a bit later and we will be able word to no more two weeks before the application deadline, but they were seen last week was how to choose a project right now, I believe the best suggestion is like. What's that, whatever you like? This is the best area for you. Yes,.

C

And one last question: so let's say there are two two students and let's say they both want to work on the same project. Then how do we reply to that? Like some students have this feeling that if one one student is already interested in one project, so some students, they see the little apprehensive to approach mentors for that project again because they think that someone else is already trying to get into this project.

C

So so you know like sometimes they seem a little shy to approach mentors just because someone else has already approached mentors for that project. So if students are interested in the same project, so how would we like ask them to go forward with that? Yeah.

A

So if two students are interested- and if you already have such cases, they they're more than welcome to reach out to mentors. So they are more than welcome to reach out to each other, because yeah JSOC is open-source contribution and open source project experience for students and the collaboration with other stakeholders is a key thing there.

A

So if they see that there are potential conflicts between proposals etc, it's something they can figure out in the beginning, for example, if there are two students and they, if the draw meetings set for the project, for example, we had a meeting for all strategy plug-in this weekend, and students can just join this meeting. They can enjoy in chats and discuss how they would approach that, so they can even work together to file proposals which do not compete with each other and which prevent conflicts so that potentially post projects may be selected.

A

It's something totally possible for some projects. For this it may be not possible, but yeah JSOC is still well. There are many project ideas, but there are much more students applying and some idea project ideas and some applications may not be accepted just because there is another beta application. The best way to prevent that is actually to to reach out to the mentors area, to start communicating in public channels, and then you have much more time to figure it out how to prevent it.

A

The yeah, if you join the public discussions one week before the application deadline, most likely there is nothing what can be done at that point. If you start the discussion one months in advance, then there are much more opportunities to find a way to prevent the context.

C

Okay, I think that sounds good yep.

C

That's it from my end. Actually, okay.

A

Any other questions comments.

A

A

So should we spend some time to review project ideas?

A

Okay, now, let's take a look: what we have now hmm so yeah! This is all page. So we have a bunch of project ideas which are already published. Most of them are yeah they're. Fine, though yeah encourage all mentors to communicate with students and maybe make some changes in the proposals.

A

For example, there are many questions coming about how to start this particular project idea and if your mentor, maybe it makes sense to explicitly put in the project idea for students, mmm so we, for example, they're good questions for discard, build steps recently and maybe for other projects. So if your mentor made it in such information, that would be helpful for the rough project ideas. We have some drafts here, a stiched and some of them on the discussion, and we also have some project ideas which have been submitted recently. So what will be?

A

We have a proposal about freestyle to pipeline job converted it has been submitted by Creek recently. Then we have plug-in to manager CLI. It's also submitted as a pull request now. I just forgot to put a link here.

A

A

Yeah, so it's here so this project ideas yeah there was four published and has dropped and we also have a machine learning.

A

Project which is also new- and probably we need to do something about that. So probably we should start from the top. So.

A

There was a question about discard, build steps in uber. Important, have I put it on my own, or has somebody edited Oh.

D

Lady I put the line below that, but the newbie okay.

A

D

Start in step with nothing: okay,.

A

Maybe I was the one who I did so the question he is about getting started because in this particular project there was no QuickStart guide. There was no newbie friendly issues specifically related to this project, and actually it would be great to have something we have organization one it newbie friendly issues, but if we it's possible to add some more information for students, it would be really helpful.

A

Yeah, it's just what I was talking about.

D

Yes, so would that was my project idea to start with and I'm glad that is are not on the call I think he is yeah.

A

D

Oh yeah, yeah I mean yeah, so this project, what's happened, is I. Looked at it last night and the the discard build step feature the discard, discard old builds feature has progressed since I looked at it the last time, and it can now discard artifacts separately from discarded builds. So essentially all the features that the features that were missing are starting to get into the core of Jenkins. So the proposal for discard step and, in my opinion, needs to be rewritten because of that, okay.

C

D

C

It's not about starting the project from ground up anymore, because some progress is already been made. Is that what you are saying.

D

Yes and I'm also saying that I describe the project as a step in the pipeline, but so much has been done in core that I. Don't think we need this step anymore. To do this, we can just keep improving the core.

A

Yeah, so maybe it makes sense to have a series of updates here. So, for example, you could move the description back to Google, Doc and work together. These are not to update it to the current state. What do you think.

D

Needs to happen, yes, I know yeah.

C

Okay, yeah so I'll look into it. Okay,.

A

A

Yeah, maybe moving back to the draft so that students I do not get confused by the status. Oh yeah.

A

Should we do that? Yes,.

D

A

For draft project IDs, it's still possible to apply to a draft, so it's not a mental of the world but yeah. It just indicates that there is an active discussion ongoing the scope of such IDs may change significantly during the discussions until the first colleague period starts. Something like that.

A

A

So the next topic was about test related projects.

A

So Martin, what is discussion here so.

D

The discussion here is that Jessie provided feedback on how to write DSL compatible plug-ins pipeline DSL compatible plugins, and he is adamant about not using the global variable facility, and so the plug-in can only be pure pipeline steps that return simple objects. That is his recommendation. So, when I'm writing, when I wrote the examples, mmm I focused on making them pure steps, there's the discussion.

D

There's been, you know, I've seen examples that you have proposed Oleg and I'm, not sure that.

D

I'm not sure that it agrees with what jesse has said so well, emendation side I'm, not sure what how to describe it anymore.

A

Yes, Oh personally I developed on the few drinks plugins for pipeline, but I was always using global variables and I don't feel that array in issues with using them. I was a following this discussion a bit but well. Firstly, I do not think that it's a blocker I still need to take a look. Why Jesse thinks that they shouldn't be used, but well there. They are successfully used and they are successfully used in pipeline libraries.

A

D

This page you're looking at there is a the last no, no, no, not at the bottom at the top. In the description, it says, if at all possible.

D

So that's the last sentence of this paragraph yeah.

A

Well, maybe managing global variables may be a bit more complicated because they have context etc, but yeah it's the reasonable payment for.

A

Pipeline developers, because ya haven't a step in making this step is generally more useful, but you here what we could do. Of course, we could say that yeah we could just replace it by here, for example, would you mind if I just write here to mop, go for it? Okay, so we could just silly so something like that. This client.

A

Something like that, just great.

A

So I think like jobs built in feh, for example, and they still returns, object and Yeates, for it formally uses only a pipeline steps.

A

Yeah I have no trunk opinion. There I think that this one is also viable.

D

So this with client call is that the step or is that a global variable.

A

It says: well, it really depends on how you implement it, but generally it's a step. It's a step which takes closure is a last argument. I think that a engine case you can implement is it is a global variable, because guru B allows that, but it generates a step.

D

Okay, I'm not sure I am completely clear, but.

D

Yeah I've never ventured on that side of the DSL other than then using what already exists so.

A

So maybe it makes sense to discuss it a bit in the pipeline Sigma tink because well, although I understand what is the purpose to keep the things simple, yeah having global variables sometimes is really helpful.

D

Okay, we can I can.

D

A

Okay, here, okay.

A

Well, let's move on then, so we have a github project idea. Actually I wanted to end it last week, but last week there was a bunch of comments from Jeff, so the proposal was just full of comments. Now they seem to be addressed, but my question to you guys is whether we are ready to publish it.

F

So there's two things am I I, don't think that America needs to be reformatted to the new the delete templates I still all of the top. So that's that's one thing yeah. We we don't have any newbie friendly issues, I'm, not sure what they would be for for this project. Yes,.

A

Oh, oh, my ask: who would be to have either QuickStart guide.

A

On newbie friendly ch's, so if you cannot provide particle water, a new different issues, you could provide a quick, a guide: how to start with the project idea, for example, how to explore get the club plug-in house and how to come up with the proposal. So QuickStart guide would be a replacement for newbie friend niches.

F

You know we have examples: a Quick Start Guide another, but yes, video, okay,.

A

So I put a quick start guide to all. My proposals on the same is something oh: I still need to publish at photo strategy, but the yeah you can find in my project ideas. Okay, so if you Jeff and Rick could come up with decision here, I think we should publish it.

A

The rest looks fine.

F

Do you want to take a shot at it? Want me to do it.

F

Other, probably you know I.

A

F

Okay, I I was on apologist. He.

A

Was on the call I believe he's one of mr. Jenkins, oh I'm, not sure English, one yeah, that's the problem when you're looking with a generic account. Okay,.

F

Well, we'll work it out of the glitter channel. Yes, okay, okay,.

A

Yeah so yeah once you agree, use each other. We publish this project idea, I, think it's so late enough and the eight was in the reviewer for quite long.

F

Actually, do we send it out to the dev mailing list and and see if there's any additional comments, I'm, not sure it's valuable at this point, I mean I think that the proposal seems pretty clear to me. I.

A

Believe that every result is sent a message to me at least, though it may make sense to poke people and that maybe it is but yeah I don't think it's a blockhead for publishing.

A

Okay, so should we move on.

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Okay, mmm so what else do we have and so mm? We have pipelines, DEP documentation generate proposal again after the review cycle, it looks solid, so I had a comments for you, Martin about the Javadoc. That Javadoc is a bit disconnected from the project description.

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But yeah I think that generally it's close to be published.

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I find okay personally I find the project proposal to be broad. So what I'm hoping is that the student is gonna, make a more make a specific proposal which is directly.

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With more concrete, with more concrete actions and objectives.

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It is so something like that. What we could do, for example, is we could say that Javadoc publishing.

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Pipeline steps, when you, for example, integrated here an.

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Operation cop documentation to rate the dog dot.

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And we can also say, for example, if we talk about Java doc, Java doc, nutrition, for the link. Okay, we will clean it up later for pipeline libraries.

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I'm not pipeline libraries is.

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Sorry, you do not know what is pipeline library, I.

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Know what the pipeline library is, but what specific pipeline libraries are you specifically referring to here? I.

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Think you're talking about those steps right, yeah.

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So what I say that, for example, let users may create a pipeline library like this one, and here you may see that there is a bunch of steps with some documentation in teks, TV bundle, HTML and also the rudeness. So, instead of that, it would be possible to generate Java doc for pipeline library and actually I already made attempt to do that at some point so yeah it may be useful to have documentation generation for libraries because lab this is what many users of script by plan really use in pipeline.

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What do you think.

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So this would be for the pipeline line you have shown on screen, but enough of a yeah.

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Right so generated for Python libraries.

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Okay, so mmm the generator would have to know where to find those other pipeline libraries now.

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For use the pipeline libraries for.

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User pipeline yeah.

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So users create pipeline libraries and they want to communication for them. We don't need a pipeline like this, for abstract pipelines in the web at least I, don't think so.

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Might be a whole separate, yeah.

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Like that's a good thing to put here, but I think that that might be like a full different project. Yeah.

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Right, it may be subject: yeah.

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So that's actually good, so maybe like it's just something that maybe a students who are interested in doing that versus fixing this stuff on the website. But yeah I think that that entire effort might be like something completely different but yeah. But we can.

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There are maybe other flowers of pipeline documentation.

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Which could be submitted and we submitted?

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Let's do some project ideas.

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Or something quite good.

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What I'm thinking here is that a lot of it will be in the student proposal, so the student will I guess the student is going to look at all of this and you know if a proposal, if a student proposes to take on let's say 30% of what's in here, and do it really well and it it's it's enough work or a hole for a whole program or four months then I'm happy with it. It doesn't matter.

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Give project ideas, we don't give project descriptions to copy and it's intentional.

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Guys I have to drop again but hey. If you want, you can continue the discussion regarding this project idea. We could probably take it offline or discuss in detail. The next person uttering sick meeting.

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Okay, so do continue meeting call I.

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Have to drop off as well I do.

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Working week, yeah everybody has the meeting this time. Okay, so yeah thanks a lot for participation to everyone and every any quick questions.

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Okay and then, let's place it in the chat and here for the next meeting, I believe we should just stop for ten minutes before the deadline, and then we discuss other things and close down. The meeting I just didn't know that they have a meeting now. I do.

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Okay, okay, so thank you. Yeah then see you all and thanks again and questions, let's discuss the lemon Geeta.

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