Jenkins Google Summer of Code Office Hours, 27 Feb 2020

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Regular meeting of the Jenkins Google Summer of Code special interest group: news, updates, and Q&A with potential students and mentors. Full agenda and meeting notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H0gJt1zdr37YDpuSLXSeFqYco_a_CIrAuZ1f0Oyl4XE/edit?usp=sharing

A

Some of these services wait: hi Oh, welcome to the JSOC office hours today is February 26 and we're on our common agenda. Some news project, application status and other bids and I mean we will have some time for questions by students. So right now we didn't have mean students from the call, but maybe it will change, and so one of the problems that the ticket er is down. So what everybody e police need to think about this call, but still, let's press it.

A

Ok, first good news, so that actually you are set to google Summer of Code 2020, so I suburbanization Jenkins is published on the website and the. In addition, there are more than 200 organizations for this year. Yes, so looks like it's going to be the biggest ever jae-seok. Well, it's the biggest ever ever every year, but still regard and jenkins. Our application represents the latest state of the application documentation which was reviewed by all participants. So we have Jenkins X list that we have all the information are up to date.

A

We still have an opportunity to edit this profile, so this year they edit this feature. So if somebody sees something to be changed, please let me know so we still can update this website regarding project ideas. Again, everything was published. We did a major effort over the past week to update project ideas and you can see the determine for the techies and scepter state, and some project begins I still in the draft state, though they being updated and again in trust, it doesn't mean that you cannot apply so these ideas are also valid.

A

So we have 18 ideas, plus some ideas under the discussion and we will be able to publish more ideas until the deadline.

A

Another interesting from this year that contains Liberty foundation, so every foundation is umbrella organization for Jenkins, Jenkins heads and all other projects like spinnaker. So they have been all subsets to google Summer of Code and they will be participating as a separate organization and I edit, the topic to discuss. How would we collaborate it's an open question for everyone, because I guess now we do on this called unity. Cdf is applying, but anyway it's great to see them around and there is lava many opportunities for collaboration between projects.

A

And last but not least, we've got a blog post by HJ published, so it's not a blog post about Jenkins Walt and drops water travel experience. So perigee was one of the students who joined again. You can find some cool photos. It's not some transistor it's little and there is a bunch of stuff. So please check it out and if you're a student yeah, we are doing our best to transfer students to go to Europe in Iran's nuclear weapon. Events to gently circulated events around the world.

A

Hopefully we will be able to make you mix. So, let's all these news both have some common topics: new potential mentors introduction, any new potential, better Samba code.

A

So I see Jim Crowley on the call.

B

B

Oh, like I'm, not sure that Jim had intended to be a mentor I think he was listening in know. His work in the platform. Sig is certainly interesting, but I'm not sure it's google, Summer of Code unison, Victor's yeah, just ask.

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A

Yeah, so we had some discussion before the recording started, my understanding that we do not to change the agenda for the junkies project, because once the project got announced, I have got email from my CDF asking what is oblong so for Jenkins.

A

First approach: it is a separate organization because yeah for several years, we have all the agenda the communication prepared. We have started communications with students several months ago and it's definitely not the best time to flip the table and to work how I break so for Jenkins project I think you should definitely proceed as a separate organization for Jenkins sex. If I understand correctly, we focus on this option the very small flexibility there and if.

A

It's also possible. You have some time to decide. Okay,.

C

As we've done, the initial application with Jenkins I think it does make sense for us to continue forward and this path I, don't see any reason why we would change it at this moment in time. It's very interesting that the CDF is involved in ji-suk I. Think in the future could be really cool for us all to be together under one organization and would give the right signaling for CDF. But this is a bit late in the game to change mm-hmm.

A

Yeah so one thing which might count the input sauce. That basically is the F, isn't specific. What are the project ideas and potentially somebody makes a new project ideas to Jenkins and Jane sex to the CDF account, and before that we had some collaboration between organisations so, for example, Jenkins and Fawcett foundation. So we had project IDs, which was significantly intersecting, and example me and Martin your potential mentors and both organizations.

A

So we used it as an opportunity for cross collaboration. We should be ready that something like that happens with Jenkins. So if a student applies with a good Jenkins project continues delivery foundation, they we won't be able to transfer this application to the Jamie's organization and vice-versa, so projects floats pools would be different. Mental health would be different and we still need to understand how it would work, but we prepare to search options.

A

Unfortunately, I'm not really I, don't really know what is the severe channel for JSOC, because mailing lists just references a page with mailing lists same for other things. So, to be honest, if I was a student, I wouldn't be able to comprehend how to apply right now, so I started providing feedback from to see their folks, and hopefully we will be able to fix that.

A

So sliding there was a question from here about: couldn't we propose a project again yeah.

D

I guess I see yeah project, page I, think CDF yeah. There isn't much information on how to apply I guess if you go yeah visit the ideas list, and so it just links you to the github, and it just gives you about how you're going to propose a project. So if at all, you're going to maybe I mean if you're thinking of a collaboration or sort of maybe as a as an organization could maybe propose a sort of project and go through this entire project.

D

Lifecycle, which would benefit I, don't know, is the main aim to benefit CDF as an as a community or Genki. This is a community. So since we come under the umbrella, maybe we could propose a sort of project that could come under their scope. If at all, that is the idea, maybe as a potential student.

D

Maybe if that is the idea, maybe I could help or something. What do you think we.

E

Should I don't think we should I, don't think we should combine any of this at this stage. I think leave this separate for next year, then I think we can have a little bit of a better planning ramp to do that, but for this year I think they should remain separate projects and I definitely think we should be mindful when we're sending out tweets or anything to add the CBF to that, because there that could create confusion.

E

D

A

That's right, but right now this project lifecycle page. Even if it's a limit as ideas list, it's not an idealist yeah. This is a garden for new projects being proposed. So, for example, if you wanted to propose Jenkins to Pantene's, deliver the foundation of the current state, this is the guidance we would have to follow.

A

So theoretically, there might be student who has a project relates to continuous integration, who would be willing to propose it as CDF incubation project or something like that yeah. My birthday said that this was just the page, the link and they need to create their own. So was Jenkins project.

A

We invested a huge amount of time to prepare all of the communication CDF you just starts, so we need some help and if you are at different American teens delivered foundation slack, it would be one of the topics and I will also put it to the agenda of advocacy and outreach sixth model, and so whether we can help continues the Liberty foundation use JSOC, but yeah overall mark to the right. We should be as discreet as possible and we need to figure it out and.

C

To agree with or like, and to really reinforce the point sled and the the list, the project list that is linked to the project lifecycle. That really is for existing open source projects which are decently mature, so have some sort of governance structure in place have a certain number of contributors. So it's not just for ideas.

C

It's really for existing open source projects. It would be very hard for I would think for a JSOC student to be able to create an open source project at the level. That would be acceptable as a sandbox project for the CDF and that's just being realistic, I I think for JSOC, that's a step too far, and then you may want to consider projects more Ives, Jenkins and Jenkins X have proposed them so projects that have mentors in place and that are already somewhat spect out.

C

And then you can take your own approach to those suggested projects.

D

Yeah yeah yep, thanks on that.

A

Okay, so any other comments about.

E

I do have one comment, and this is it's more comments. Last suggestion: does it make sense to send out some type of communication under the Jenkins banner to let people know that these are separate projects.

A

Or would that I.

E

Think that would be good, but it also may create more confusion. I don't know that's more to what everybody my fear is is that if anybody goes to the google Summer of Code website and looks for projects that are showing and they see the CDF they're gonna see Nathan Jenkins, possibly and then see jinkins, X and think it's CDF I just think there's a lot of room for confusion, but that we may, if sending out a communication, may also create more confusion. A little.

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E

A

We need to talk to first. Hopefully we will start probably tomorrow. So for me, the first steps would be to get explicit the communication here on the CDF page and here on the Jenkins page, so that we could add some clarification. Maybe we should explicitly remove Jenkins and jinx X from here and say that the suspect is a separate project but yeah. Let's talk first, okay,.

E

Awesome, thank you and that's why I was asking the question because of those labels they really there. If that's very confusing, especially as a student student I think.

B

Wholehearted agreement with the confusion but I think we can also start even now, just being actively promoting the Jenkins project, ideas list and contribution to Jenkins. So we can do that without any coordination just more actively promoting the hey. The Jenkins project has a really solid google Summer of Code team, with mentors ready to go mentors expressed interest and interesting project ideas.

B

Come see us so I'm not worried as much about confusion as I am if we aren't active in promoting and and being noisy on social media and other places that hey you've got a really exciting set of project ideas, come students and and propose your project plans. Yes,.

E

I agree with that. I just want to make sure that for the Twitter admins when you're sending out tweets, don't especially if it's a google Summer of Code tweet, if you add a hashtag for the CDF and I know, we had some communication about this amongst the team already, if you that could be lending to confusion because of the mislabelling, so just make sure not to do that or that's not I'm, not directing anybody that I'm more suggesting not to add the CDF hashtag to any tweet communications yeah so was.

A

My mistake, probably because the best intention but yeah aggregated co-star, confusion so specifically about you, said it a while ago. Ef is referenced here but yep. Let's just keep it in mind for the next promotions: yeah, okay. So speaking of promoting JSOC, so I find the center email announcement, but we still could do a few other things to promote it. So yeah we could just spend maybe five to ten minutes to this, what we usually do and what you could do again. So the announcement blog post.

A

So I guess on both changes and Jenkins X websites.

A

Then we could also add a Jumbotron, so we didn't do it last year because we already beyond our capacity, but we could add a JSOC announcement here.

A

Yeah, my name, please that's clear what else we could do social media. So anyone if you are potential mentor, please promote your project, because what we do is Jaso cork him. We do a best effort to promote it using standard channels, but we don't have been wealth for targeting targeted marketing. So if you know some potential contributors potential mentors as a champion on your project or as indigenous that mentor, please invest some time to reach out to the contact because we need to find students.

A

We need to find mentors and if just sit and wait, it will get some application but less application, and we usually expect so.

B

Well, like I wonder if those of us who have university connections might consider actually visiting universities or other facilities that physically have students that might benefit from hearing or from from general notification from announcements and noise right from an advertising conversations. Hey look you're a student: you could work a summer flipping hamburgers or you could work a summer writing code, which one would you prefer.

A

Yeah it's what people usually do. At least some I went to university two or three times there. It's a fun experience. If somebody is interested, what we usually do, we have some template presentations and we can create them up on request. So we didn't create a template for 2020 yet, but you could do that.

A

So if someone who wants to do that, please do so I'm currently discussing options very international. It's the city way any question: I don't go to Russia in timeframe at this time, but I'll do my best to promote.

A

B

Can prepare our ethics well and back to your note on social media, you, you Lobby, that the mentors so that's when I have not done nearly enough and I suspect other potential mentors have the same challenge that yeah there's nothing wrong with me: promoting the projects that are the ideas I'm interested in on social media and encouraging people through LinkedIn through Twitter, through whatsapp, through Facebook, whatever to do consider joining yeah I, don't think, there's anything wrong!.

E

With that I think that's a great idea.

A

The same for blog posts, for example, if you want to create a blog post for Jenkins I, go for other resources. Please do so so, whatever usability, we could get it's fine, and we really need help from hunters about that, because we have only three orchid means: now we will probably try to get more, but still orchid means they will be handin called the rock crazy and other things. So we do some more common things, but we cannot do too much, so it will be much appreciated and of course, social media is get.

A

Everything is listen, so if you are keeping Twitter posting there, it's fine if you're getting LinkedIn post bail is also fine and yeah any associatively use. Why not.

A

Thank you yeah. In the case of Jenkins. Now we have own Twitter account, but our LinkedIn and Facebook profiles are dormant, so we can choose them, and even if you use them would be very good, I'd say, but still me I could try. So if you have your own accounts, you can do that.

A

Okay. What else could we do?

A

One thing is local JSOC communities, because there are in many countries there are specific JSOC channels, for example, that is Chinese JSOC channel there is Russian, JSOC, Channel and like there is. There are many others, so you can use these channels from ulta Jenkins. They promote your specific project. Why not.

A

And yeah these channels are pretty big and if you talk about China about India, basically 70% of students from APAC region, so yeah using these channels can be as efficient as using our Twitter account and probably a much more efficient.

A

Okay and the other you could discuss.

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A

And meetups, so we, if you speak at meetups, just promote Chuseok I, had a small side slide deck for the today's jenkees online meetup, but it went so wrong that I didn't really use it but yeah. Maybe so, if you do seek recording, if you do online meetup recording, if you just go on site for 208 meetups, you can also use it under opportunity and maybe we could create a teaser video or whatever. It's called for YouTube I.

A

Trade commission I don't actively use YouTube.

A

Or maybe just online meet up in the next few weeks about Jae Seok, oh.

A

Then no one will be interested under yeah.

D

I mean as a potential student could I I would be interested in that.

A

Okay, so how would we organize it just.

D

Like I did today, maybe as even as a potential student introducing maybe a few of the projects that we have, or maybe some of them I, don't know how it would work, but yeah I would definitely be interested if, at all,.

A

D

It's it's more of a public domain with the proposals and stuff. Maybe we could demonstrate maybe pick a project or something and maybe demonstrate the idea behind it or something like that may be of interest. Yeah just do let me know yeah, okay,.

A

So yeah, if anyone is interested and if you want to record a short video about your JSOC experience from previous years, just the word. Many organizations do record such videos and if you go, for example, to jae seok mentor summit, that I mean the whitening products which include videos by students. So probably we could try to do the same one we were discussing later last year, but we just didn't have been wise to do that.

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A

Think we could follow up on this list later, these or communes. So, but if you want to promote your projects, just do it. So there is a bunch of ideas and, yes, speaking of orchid means Marquis should may recover the orchid mean meeting I do.

E

Think we should start having that.

E

Maybe we can do it initially bi-weekly and then, as the project gets more underway, we can increase the frequency like we did last year. Okay,.

C

Are you looking for more organs when I could do the work, I meant for drinking sex, sweet.

E

Mother Mary, we would love more orgasms.

C

Great Thank You Mikey yep.

A

I'm also a plus one for din Cara, because really a junkie sex is a is a little community from Jenkins. But.

E

I'm, a plus one for Cara becoming an org admin.

A

Okay, nu minus one.

A

I'm sure Martin's on the call, okay, I guess, agree, so welcome our board and the Yale make sure to add you to all the channels.

C

Great. Thank you.

A

Thanks a lot because.

E

On that on that topic, would it be beneficial to us as an organization to send out some type of communication via tweets that welcomes Kara as an org at 'men I? Think that serves two purpose. One I think it's awesome to promote new org, admins and number two. It helps us to increase the visibility to get continued org admins when people see that they're like.

E

Oh, that's, awesome, I'd love to do that, so it's just sort of a new thing, I also think it promotes I, think it promotes that we're a very diverse and inclusive project and that we truly believe in having women as org admins I, truly strongly believe that so promoting. That is a very, very good thing. In my opinion, okay.

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A

Yeah, so we can just tweet a list of for convenience because we didn't really do it or you can send her a special welcome message.

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A

Yeah, let's follow up, but I agree with you that we should do that.

A

Okay, anything else regarding cork admin, stuff.

A

So Jeff, you are not participating consorted in this year right and the same for Rick.

F

So I would want to make sure that I have plenty of time for mentoring, because I feel like we. We have more of a need for Mentors, so I'm happy to do the admin, but I want I. I would rather make sure I have time for mentoring.

G

A

That's perfectly fine yeah.

E

Okay, perhaps we could think- and we don't need to do this now, but we could think about having emeritus org admins and that way they still retain sort of the the ability to participate if time becomes available and we're not just saying okay you're, not an orgasm anymore, we keep like sort of that emeritus status that allows.

C

E

Of preference to come back next year, if they want to be a full org admin, that's just a suggestion. It doesn't have to be anything concrete.

A

Complicated because everybody is welcome to return, so we have technical limitation. Jiseop website lean, it's a number of organist or five, but Bill core code mean on the JSOC website, gives you very are the privileges of being responsible to ensure that all mentor send in their evaluations on time and other things and the rest of often in UTS handles and the Magnum case so yeah. Last year we had seven companies in the medium phase, but on the fire on the website. Something like that. If we can find a way.

A

But yeah for now we can just proceed, but if anyone is interested we still have one slot.

A

Okay, any other topics before we start corny.

H

Hello, this is nothing I. Have a quick question so amend the potential mentor on the mailing list is asking: where can mentors meet to discuss their their own projects?

H

They have access to to the Xoom I, don't think so? No, this does hangout still exist.

E

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E

Anymore, I think it's something different. Sorry, oh yeah.

A

So main difference is recording because.

A

Recording come for single person on hangouts on YouTube life. If you wanted to meet, basically, you can use friends on my account, if you only it's just limited to 40 minutes, but you can use it for any kind of recording currently cannot oxide. If you want so and if you do not want to be recorded yeah, you can use whatever service you like.

B

Given the given that the global nature of our communications isn't a first point of contact for mentors inside a gator channel, probably related to them or is it Martin? Were you specifically asking about face to face style meetings or meetings where they were live with each other I.

H

I think I'm asking to know all the ways they can all the ways mentors can meet. I've found it useful myself to personally meet potential mentors that were on the same project azzam as me. Just using a you know, private private video chat for maybe half an hour and then the rest could follow under the official channels.

H

So I guess I guess the answer the answer is clear like they can, they can they can use is like cold eggs. Writing a self-organized video chat for introductions and you know early information exchange and then they can move on to the Gator chat once mmm once the meet-and-greet is his phase is done well.

B

And so I like go ahead. They.

H

Can also join the our official office hours if it works in their time zone.

A

Eyes Chad, we can do it so, for example, last year we had a number of conduct sessions, demos by mentors, and if you need to do that, just drop a message to orchid means oranges or get a channel, and we will help for you to organize the d session, because all current orchid means have permission set works as a zoom account will also access his cover or I guess Jenkins X has its own zoom account, maybe I'm not sure how its organized but yep.

A

We can definitely host recorded meetings and publish videos on our YouTube channels.

E

And also tour mentors once the project get started, we do request that the mentors check in with Us Weekly so they'll, the not via email.

H

A

Video recordings we can also publish them. So basically, if you send us a link to whatever record link file, then we can deploy it on the Jenkins YouTube channel, I'm not sure, does drinking sex has its own YouTube channel. Now, indeed,.

C

It does and we have a number of playlists as well, so we can make a specific playlist for ji-suk yeah.

A

It would be, but if we post Jenkins sex or recordings on the gender sex list,.

A

So for playlists you already kept one on Jenkins. He took.

A

I'm always afraid about this moment. You open it and get the suggestions.

A

We haven't seen that, but if you switch the Jenkins account, you can find even more interesting suggestions.

I

Yeah I've seen some guys seen some really liked exercise videos I'm like what.

A

Okay, so yeah, let's skip this part, but here really we have a number of channels. So please, and specifically for Jae Seok. This is a playlist where we post all these meetings and we can post specific items to morning fees. How do we still have a Jenga sex, Marianist kinky sex, please here, but yes, it's obsolete, so.

H

Are we offering re offering mentors to coordinate their first meeting together on Zuma or we're telling them self organize a meeting with the other mentors and report back.

A

We will be definitely helping people to organize during the community Bondarenko phase, taking our own experience with previous years, the government, the application phase- to be honest, I'm, not sure so before we have time as all cat means. Yes, we can do it, but to be honest, I would rather expect people to self organize.

B

For clarity or like in this phase, the the mentors are not yet formally assigned where potential mentors is that right, yeah, that's right, so basic.

A

Nobody commits Tony think right now: okay,.

B

All right, so so my conversations with other potential mentors on the projects that interest me are perfectly fine. We go ahead, we could we could meet if we want. We could organize if we want, but we've still we're still in the prep and get student proposals collected in that will then be handled at a later date. Yeah.

A

That's like so, the majority of the traffic will be student proposal drafts and questions from more students who are interested, so some questions can be answered. This county responds because many people just joined channels ask question and disappear forever, but we really need to engage with students who are interested in the project for that it will require significant time.

E

As we are coming up on, the 15-minute left mark I do want to make sure we have give time to students for Q&A.

J

Potential students, whatever.

A

Potential students actually students somewhere the universities, I, couldn't say so about mentors, but patella, ok, corny, so question from sliding about custom distribution service. So speaking of mental self organizing meeting, he is one of example, so we are thinking about them for the project and right now there is a doodle or a pending.

A

So yep, if anyone is interested in this project, idea just vote so that we can schedule a meeting.

A

A

Interested in watery.

G

So I think, if you see your answer, I will be the front. Oh.

A

Yeah yeah and regarding any other interested mentors, it's a subject for outreach. So hopefully we will get more potential mentors but yeah right now, it's a bit relaxed. So we have discussions and because we want.

A

So potential mentors are fine. Once we get into a situation where you have proposals and when we don't have enough metals, we all start a vision to particular people who might be interested. But right now we just collect lists and bike everyone to put speed yeah. It sounds good okay.

A

So if I Jeff Ramon interested, that's fine, if not it's also fine yeah.

F

No I'm definitely still interested.

A

So maybe you would like to add yourself to this project.

F

Do you mean by add to the project? Do you mean the doodle for.

A

A doodle for me can kind of make the list of project IDs, because the gradual nice to have your name here. Okay,.

A

Okay, that's a minor thing, so yeah this lists. All of them are moving target, so there will be people joining and living all the time. So until we have project announced and first correction baseline- and we just just use it as a reference.

A

Okay, so any other questions here.

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A

I guess not okay about him all proposal. So what's the question stuff, yeah, I.

A

Guess it's this one to read in Cadiz, merriest so again building a separate plugin proposal on the top of that. It's actually a good question. So this is a situation which is not that common for JSON, but it happens. So we put project Dania and there is somebody working on this project in the year Mallis on the same area outside JSOC.

A

So these things happen and right now, I think that it will be the best to just move for this project idea back to the job and to document this mailing list, so that students who export this product idea are aware that there is potential collision and after that we can figure out what we can do, because right now, I also don't have a good answer, but yeah. This is open source. We work in competitive environment, meaning that at any time there may be a pull request coming out of the blue is whatever change.

A

You have never expect. So it's normal I will move to the just state and I go to commented.

A

Yep sounds cool, so it doesn't mean that this project is not going to happen because even now, this Python is GMO Project edges. There are many angles from which you can approach so including exponent ways, but the indication is Jenkins X pipeline and it's which is definitely not a target and we might increased. Maybe deep integration in these libraries I can feel their port again. It's not in the proposal and other things, so they might be still opportunities, but it's definitely definitely. Mr. moved back to draft.

A

It's just one while I'm here.

A

Any other questions about this idea. Well, while we're here.

A

Okay, any other questions.

D

Yeah I guess that's it for my thing,.

J

So yeah published.

A

So if you see any issues or if you want to make amendments, just do it on the website, this project IDs, you can edit them than anything.

I

A

There is no other topics to discuss. We can just scroll down it's getting quite long anyway, so meet anything from whoa. Oh okay, oh okay,.

A

So yeah thank you and yeah. It starts providing your project idea well, better late than never yeah. So if.

G

Thinking about those comments, thank you. Thanks around.

A

And yeah: that's the reason why it's better to submit the project proposals there, because you know it will be a period of two or three weeks when everything is related so on. But after that it will be crazy. So these are the best two weeks: feedback, yeah, yeah.

A

Okay, then yeah thanks everyone for your time and see you again next week and we have a bunch of action items to get on.

D