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Recording of the regular Jenkins Governance Meeting. We discussed the recent news and the Jenkins 2.277.2 LTS Release, and then discussed changes in the Hosting team. Oleg Nenashev shared updates regarding the CLA process change and Jenkins treasury. Then we discussed the upcoming Jenkins contributor summit on June 25th. Agenda and meeting notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Nr8QpqYgBiZjORplL_3Zkwys2qK1vEvK-NYyYa4rzg/edit#heading=h.dyhiz73iqw0v

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Recording is starting now.

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Yes, I just don't see the status so hi. Everyone welcome to the junkies governance meeting today is april 7th. um As usual, we have a few topics in our agenda, including discuss increasing news, and we also have some topics here and so, let's just get started. So the first thing we haven't released is the today's lcs release. um It's.

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2.27.2 mark was the leader for this release so mark. Would you like to summarize it.

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Sure so it's a security release that resolves uh two open to open issues in security related to, let's see valid data validation. Also, the security advisory had two plugins in it, and not a lot other than that. A few additional fixes related to things that had regressed in 2.27.1 we'll also be having a live stream tomorrow, where I'll be talking with darren pope about it more.

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Great, thank you so you're. Basically, just a few bug fixes and some of them will uh yeah not that many things we should be reported.

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Few proposed back ports for the next release that will be discussed, we'll be looking for a different release leader next time, so that we rotate that assignment, but oh and I haven't fixed the I haven't fixed the uh that those tags. Oleg. Thank you for reminding me. I need to put that in the checklist yeah. I was just a bit surprised right, and that was my mistake. I should have fixed those.

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We have some more book talking things on the table, nothing urgent at the moment.

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Okay- and I guess that's it so in two weeks we will be selecting the new lcs baseline, so at the next governance thinking. What actually will happen synchronously in the middle, at least, but I guess there will be interesting discussion.

C

Okay, so the next one she could africa.

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In mark yeah, so she could africa is a group organized in africa to encourage women in africa to participate in technology and they have an ongoing event. The month of april called the contributon.

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We've got five women from africa who are being mentored by five different jenkins developers, uh they're doing work on improving the examples and documentation related to pipeline in plugins.

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I saw some in the docs some questions asked in the docs channel this week too. So.

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Right and and we're very grateful that they're they're making progress asking good questions, we've already seen the first pull request. uh We are also using a slack channel now provided by cdf, and the communication seem to be moving quite rapidly, so it looks good. We will.

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We were trying to just help them to give them what they asked for, and so we we did a we'll do another mentoring session on friday and then again, one on monday.

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Yeah thanks a lot for running this program, because it's great that we participate and it's also great, but we already have actual requests related uh to pipeline documentation, improvements so looking forward to what we will get by the end of the um assignment. I'm sorry by the end of the contribution.

C

Okay, anything else, you should possible. That's it for me. So for gsoc, quick, update, uh yeah, you have a student application. Please open! We've already got a number of uh proposal drafts. I will guess around 10 or so.

C

Deadline for applications is the next week. So hopefully we'll get more uh proposals and then the usual selection process will start this year. We participate as a part of the continuous delivery foundation me and kara. Our orchard means there and it will be our responsibility to ensure that we apply for right number of project slots and to also rank jenkins related proposals, and this year there will be also ranking of jenkins proposals to versus other project proposals. It's a terrain incognito for us, but I hope that we won't experience any issues.

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So far in previous years we were able to secure as many slots as we asked for more or less, and google is well aware that the jinx project participates in the receiver from berlin this year. So hopefully we will get a lot of slots, not just the two slots which new organizations usually get.

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I think we should, I know, we've been doing it, but we should blast out social media again for dsoc, because we have a communication issue where no one knows where to find information, especially attracting new contributors, disparities over expose them to information and then worry about just mailing this or just a gator channel or just something.

C

Yeah, so how it happens, we definitely expect all students to do some communications as a part of community bonding and the first coding phase so introducing their projects. Also, during the community bonding, we expect all project teams to establish communication channels to figure out all the permissions, all the infrastructure requirements. Today we had a classic question about getting access to public clouds, uh so yeah, all of that will be resolved.

B

In may, I meant more uh sending out like a linkedin post, reminding people that we are have openings for gsoc, not so much the dsoc students themselves.

C

Yeah makes sense so our past years we used to center this uh notices quite regularly this year, it's again a kind of a bandwidth issue. Yeah. We should be doing that.

B

The uh I mean not quite related, but the I think we were all surprised how uh how uh useful or how, how much feedback we got back when we posted about the events officer. I don't know if anything necessarily came about it, but we got a lot more people talking about it than we thought. Would you know in linkedin, so it's probably better to again post the linkedin, because that's where a lot of students are spending their time so.

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I will definitely do that. I will say we did a jinx online meetup last week, one week before we did code focus meetup with more than 2000 views and more than 150 live participants, and there was at least one follow-up with a student from this meetup. So let's see how it goes.

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Yeah- and we will definitely push some announcements- uh I guess tomorrow we will have a sync up this car to see what, but we are doing last minute marketing push. Anyway. You may have seen these tweets about student and mentor experiences.

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So if you go here, you can find that where we had, for example, a tweet from ma with mark's recording, also student, recording videos and yeah if anyone wants to share their experiences, jso could not. Please do so. So just a short video like 30 seconds one minute and we will be happy to post it.

B

Do we have a page or blog post or something with all these on it, or is it just on twitter.

C

I have an action item for myself. uh I just didn't do that, but yeah I have an action item.

C

We have some of these testimonials included in.

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Call for applications uh this one, so the post posted by cara in april. So by this time we had four testimonials and you can find them here. But now we have more.

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Yeah so it may be worth uh just yeah yeah.

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uh Yeah, so I have this uh google doc, you can share it, so they I basically aggregate all jsoc related feedback. We've got from previous years, so in form of videos, text messages also travel reports. We had before, like changing our blog posts, etc and feedback from mentors, which is a good reminder that I should also record my video.

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Okay and again, if you want to record something about contributing to jenkins yeah, please do so same for others on the call.

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Okay, so anything else about gsoc.

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Okay, so the next click updates, the rent officer called for participation. So I posted announcement in twitter and linkedin. We've got several follow-ups and I'm currently processing them so most likely next week, we'll have a onboarding meeting.

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I have six contributor leads and yeah. Let's see how it goes.

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Hopefully, we'll be able to increase our bank life and we have upcoming events where it could be useful.

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Okay, anything calls.

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Other than you know, in the way that marketing and everything else works in linkedin, we should probably post again multiple times before we call it closed.

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uh You mean posting multiple times in linkedin.

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Yeah, I wouldn't bother with twitter. I don't even know if anyone replied it on twitter, but uh the kind of thing you do in linkedin is you know, once every two weeks or three weeks you post job postings again until you've filled up the slot. So I'm not saying we should do that, but it may be worth doing.

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uh Might be, though, in linkedin it's a bit better in twitter because in twitter well, even with the current uh automated uh thing, which somehow shows you tweets and whatever order it defines. Yeah tweets basically get lost after several days in the case of linkedin, it's a bit better because these posts keep appearing because preferences etc. So after you post something, you usually get uh traction for one month or so.

B

Yeah, okay, so maybe another month, although I will say that uh it's very hard to get the view, a post for a specific quote company you have to like click 18 times to get to the right section. The main feed is like twitter, though it just randomly shows you whatever it feels. I show you.

C

So right: well, that's right! So what we could do, we could basically post more quality content, increase number of followers yeah. So when I started making linkedin in april, so one year ago we had three thousand followers. Now we have fifty two thousand yeah modern in twitter and yeah. Actually, the impression numbers are quite good, especially when we talk about technical content.

C

For example, here's a recent blog post uh from which basically deposit video from uh by darren pope about beat club multi branch. So well it's okay! If you scroll down, you can see that other events, yeah security block posts, also event organizers, the.

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uh Board one gets a lot because I get tagged in it.

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Yeah, so we can access this data. Basically, all linkedin admins can access that and if you want to be an input and bin just let me know.

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Well, it kind of works. Definitely it doesn't hurt to have applications there. They don't require much time easily. We should uh scale this approach to use the same publication method for facebook and for reddit yeah, maybe for something else but yeah we have talked about it multiple times we haven't automated it yet.

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Yeah the problem with automating it is it it'll, actually probably reduce the um impressions.

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Right, so that's why I mentioned linkedin, facebook and reddit, because all of them have more the similar layout and taking format yeah. So it can work. But you cannot do the same for twitter and including yeah, so you can post something like that. It's basically like in twitter, but if you talk about other things, so sometimes there are extended descriptions which helps with search with visibility and also it helps basically to post content directly in linkedin. So you don't have to click through to get basic information.

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Like I said, I am still working on a poc to post blog posts to uh get the getter chat rooms. So once that's done, there's no reason we couldn't make it do it to other services as well, but it's not a priority for me. So.

C

Alright also, there are github actions for that. If you want to have whatever social media is called.

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Well, you can do this in jenkins if somebody wants to hack.

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Okay but yeah, basically, it's working progress. Okay moving on so the next is for hosting team, so alex are sent an announcement that he would be stepping down uh due to the lack of time.

C

So, first of all, thanks to alexel for all the contributions, because, yes, he has been leading a hosting process for the last three or four years and he has helped to host maybe three or four hundred plugins, and also a lot of automation around that thanks to alex team, so yeah it's much appreciated and right now we have a question what we actually do, because last year we tried to form the hosting team. There were multiple contributors who joined, but at the same time alex was the fact handling the most of the requests.

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So I also hope to help to handle some requests featured by water helps, but definitely without alex service process needs more manpower to handle that, because it's quite tedious, it also requires expertise and rejecting this ecosystem, so that you can suggest duplicates establish connections between plug-in maintenance when reasonable and we definitely in turn bought more contributors to this process.

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Do you have an idea how much time it takes per week to work on that.

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Well, we have pretty much full automation, so what we do not have automation for other reviews, because not.

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Usually, yes, there happens, there's there's probably an average of one to two new plug-in requests a week um and then alex runs it to the automated checker, which checks all the the actual code stuff. Then he does a code review so that one will take some time depending on the size of the plugin, and then uh you know going to the actual uh cycles through that. So I'm thinking probably about three hours, a.

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Week and what kind of when and what kind of skills would you need to to contribute on that accepted? Just reading prs.

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Honestly, google, just you, know, take a look and see what other plugins exist like so I've been helping out randomly. I don't help very often, but you know uh when a new plugin request comes in you, you run the checkerbot, which is just one command. It's easy to run that does a lot of the work. Then you do the the code review, so the code review would be the only thing that actually requires any skill, and uh when we we pointed out an rsc, it's it's you don't have to do the code reviews.

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It's a nice thing to do it's nice to say hey. This will probably cause the security thing, so you might want to look into it, but if they don't do it, it's not the end of the world right so and then, on top of that, it's just as oleg says it's uh looking at existing plugins and seeing like do you want to extend this existing one? Do you want to merge with them? Do you want to work with them? Most of the non-automated stuff is just nice to have useful things.

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I mean we could essentially just run the bot and prove everything that passes the body. It probably wouldn't be the end of the world.

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Yeah right uh well, there are some things to keep in mind, so, firstly, it's communication with maintainers when something goes wrong: yeah, because when something is okay, it's pretty straightforward, but sometimes you need to spend time, referencing documentation, sometimes hand holding. For example. Here yeah I opened the link, it's not accessible, so I'm just going to try that.

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So, for the majority of the cases, a brand new like a hacktoberfest or any sort of random person could come in. Do the initial screening you know, take a look at the code, see if they spot anything and then someone with more experience could come in and answer any questions the reviewer has like it could be done that way and shave. I mean tim tim jacobs, myself and alex earl. Do hang out on the irc channel answer a bunch of questions. We just don't have very many other people reviewing.

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Right all right.

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Anyone else I mean alex, says everything.

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Yeah good news that some requests can be reviewed by the security team, uh for example yeah. When we host, we usually check for what practices in terms of how you screw up jenkins security, like permission, checks, missing, require posts, etc.

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You use credentials.

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uh Yeah, so basically, all these best practices, uh daniel, has started quadcult automate, some of them, and hopefully we will get this process in place, as we discussed at the contributor summit, but yeah, it's not fully completed by now. Also yeah.

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What's not automated is the duplication, because often we get uh hosting requests for function which is already available. Sometimes we get conflicting uh plugin hosting requests happening at the same time or not plugins, for example. Recently we had such key case for golan based ccli's. We will go to focus and requests which basically duplicate each other, most just different projects and yeah. All of that requires special handling.

B

So do you want me to draft up another linkedin post to get more people because so far we've got one yeah. I've.

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Give oleg more action items, but I think it should be.

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No, I don't well, I used to run the hosting process before alex, took it over sorry.

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Yeah, I do not want to commit on that right now.

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I meant more, uh I'm trying not to throw out ideas that I'm not willing to do myself. So I think what I meant to say is: I think we should uh broadcast a little broader about getting more people involved. So I will draft up a notice from linkedin and twitter.

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And the reason uh to get the help is a working, so basically some trainings call me, etc. Yeah.

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Yeah and put the documentation in place, so the next person who is interested to contribute to that can improve the documentation as well uh yeah. I spent some.

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Time on that during the previous iteration, so when we were introducing the hosting team one year ago, so here, if you go to hosting there is description of the team. There is description of how to contribute uh and other things obviously doesn't cover everything. But it's a starting point and everybody is welcome. To just I mean the political quest and extend it.

B

Yeah, do you want to add a link to that to the dark as well sure.

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Yeah, we actually wanted to have all the teams.

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So when I was working on that, I basically just added some teams which we had in place so security and research hosting. We definitely want to put a release team right here, but yeah. We have so many teams which are not that official. So I'm not sure what to do with that, but yeah. I will probably add them here, at least as stakeholders.

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The difference between a team and a sig.

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um That's a good question, so team as entity was introduced when we introduced officers. So if you use the jenkins website mineology you have a team leads, even hyperlink. Why? Because it is how it was on wiki, uh but basically it's officers normally from that. We get five teams, security, infrastructure events, release documentation in theory in practice, it's not a case and the many sub projects and the seeks could be also considered as teams or as working groups, though yeah okay, uh I mentioned a few times that I would like to streamline that.

C

Maybe just merging six and sub projects working groups or something like that- I don't have strong opinion as long as teams separate but yeah. For me, teams is mostly basically groups of contributors who work on maintenance tasks which are just mission critical to the project, a second, the time sensitive because you're gonna drop the ball on release on infrastructure and security. Well, you can, but not for long and for me, teams make really sense in these areas because they we can use teams to share their workloads yeah.

C

So, for example, I'm not sure whether there is a point in having a formal documentation team. It makes sense to have documentation, seek or work in group, but definitely not or maybe copy editor's team on jenkins io, which is probably a team, but definitely not just documentation team.

C

Well, I hope you had enough contributors for it to be really a problem.

C

But yeah, if you see any improvements in the documentation, just feel free to submit it to request.

C

Okay, anything else.

B

uh Do you wanna add an action item for me to write up a social media call yeah.

C

Yeah, you can probably copy paste some of materials from this page etc.

C

Okay, but yeah, if you do that, it would be much appreciated.

C

Okay, then next uh I think clay process updates, and so actually you can see the last updates in the mailing list.

C

So yeah I contacted the linux foundation, so the linux foundation doesn't have strong copy in whether we should use dco or cla and how we use that so taking the feedback. I suggest that we start from basic important the current agencies approach to ecla, and then we talk about the google stuff, so I submitted the request to the linux foundation in order to get easy in place.

C

I sent another message to be just to remind about that and I have a threat with maybe 10 people from linux foundation get it in place, so hopefully we'll get it established and tomorrow, if you're interested, there is a ecla webinar, something like 4 pm, utc or 5 pm utc. um So if you're interested you can join.

C

So if I'm lucky and if I get access today, I will set up it and then by tomorrow I will have some feedback. It's a optimistic.

C

Scenario, other updates moving on.

C

Okay, jinx contributor summit, so the first update that we have it confirmed we confronted the day june 25th. We confirmed how it will be announced with this continues the river foundation and there is a continuation dock. So this coordination dock is basically more or less empty at the moment.

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So what you can do you can make suggestions about key topics you would like to discuss. For example, I put some white ideas like jenkins, 3 java, 17 support, sanji sex collaboration, etc. So if you want to put something like that, just make a suggestion in the developer list. In this document you still have two months to figure out everything but yeah. I think that it would be nice to start preparing the things and then well, basically, that's it.

C

So there is a lot of things to figure out like how do we use spark etc, but the conference should be announced soon. That is all.

C

Also, why I don't want like to do it on my personal laptop.

C

So if you go to the contributor summit page, I guess they submit the request, which just has very basic landing. So it's not fancy at all. Any ui ux designers is welcome to reward that, but they just put some basic information: a big registration button.

C

So this registration button uh puts to silicon because we agreed with sdf that we will use the registration form so once it's ready, then this will be one of the options, so you will be basically registering through linux foundation, system and well. Yeah jinx contributor summit will be also here once everything is in place same as for linux foundation events, so they have these sites for official events and the jinx contributor summit will be also considered as official linux ambition event and it costs us zero dollars so 15 less than it costed two weeks ago,.

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Yeah speaking of the course you can see that some events have pages on events linuxfoundation.org. So if you want, we can get the same page for 1500 so well. We can afford that and I don't see a particular need to do that. But if somebody has a strong opinion, then we can get it posted.

D

I mean we never I mean we never really use that, so I'm not sure that we have to pay for that.

C

Yeah so well accept thanks to website and not the fancy content management approach process. If you want something to change, basically, just gets your landing on advanced linux foundation. Torque, I'm not sure. We really need that.

C

If you want this layout, I think we can create it on drinks if needed,.

D

I think one of the questions that we always hesitated in the past is if the jenkins contributor sumit was targeting jenkins users or contributor, and then because sometimes we try to not promote too much the event and so.

C

Well, if you take a look at the linux foundation events, there are some contributors on the events. There are some events focused on our users. In the case of drinks. We can also have two types of plants right now. We are not really limited with promotion, because before when you're doing it during jenkins fault, if you do too much promotion, you can get 1000 people coming to the end, which is probably a bit too much for online event. We can cost up to 500 participants if needed.

C

It's definitely more than enough, and and depending on how many registrations we get, we can scale, so I wouldn't be too concerned, but yeah. So again, the agenda is subject for the discussion.

C

I, when I was proposing this event, I was rather thinking about contributor summit, though having some sessions with user feedback would be nice so, for example, inviting several key users to do a talk about what they would like to see in jenkins, or something like that, but yeah, I didn't think it about about it as a user event, and we also have uh six or seven uh james related talks during the cdcon.

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Probably it's enough.

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Does it answer your comment? Olivia.

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Yeah, if you have any ideas, just drop them in this dock or in the mailing twist. You have plenty of time to.

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So should we move on then.

C

So yeah contributor summit- I hope we will have it announced this week. uh Really. The ball is on the cdf site right now, because we prepared everything on our side. We just need them to post the event and then we will start promotion and, as you have seen, uh other events like spinnaker summit github summit are being promoted already so okay.

C

So then, I have a few topics which I haven't submitted to the mailing list. So right now definitely no decision, but maybe some initial discussion.

C

So one is about jenkins treasury, so our current state that we have more than 10 on the spi account it includes gsoc budget. It includes a general purpose agency's budget, approximately 50 50., and we have more than 3000 on the linux foundation. Crowdfunding lfx grant funding.

C

So my question is whether you want to do something about that or whether we just want to keep the current money on the spi account until we spend them.

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Yeah sorry go ahead. Mark.

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So, for we can still actually request reimbursement for something from spi, even though they no longer hold the copyright for jenkins. Yes,.

C

Pair confirmed that they would be processing uh hosting requests, um but yeah jenkins is no longer a project of spi. uh The spi governance board might believe in february. If I recall correctly, they officially voted on excluding jenkins, which is totally fine, taking out transition status and well, they helped a lot and they keep helping when needed. So we can keep our treasury there for a while, uh but yeah. So we are not pressed to leave but at the same time yeah it might be better from the operation standpoint.

C

So for spi. The main problem is a quite tedious process in terms of handling, because spi is driven by volunteers, and sometimes it takes one to months to reduce the payment.

C

We hit this issue a few times when you're processing payments for gsoc students and for jso at some point, our recommendation was that it's better that if a mentor pays and then we reimburse the mentor but yeah, otherwise it works pretty fine and for linux foundation crowdfunding. It also works pretty fine.

C

We still need to add other governance board members to the expensify backend, because the uh linux foundation crowdfunding. It has a front end which you can show, but yeah the expense report handling is a bit complicated there.

C

So just a second there. So if you go to donate.

C

Yeah there is, I need to finally fix that. Okay, so, and we also need to fix that, because it's no longer community bridge, it's lfx crowdfunding. But after that, if you finally get there, you can see that there is jenkins with some things: yeah and yeah. Basically, that's it, so you can donate the things there. You can manage some things there and when you manage expenses, it's expensify and they are basically on demand.

C

We can add, benefit shares and then these finished shares can submit expense reports using standard expensify tools, including basically phone applications that they want. And then linux foundation, accounting team handles the payments.

C

We cannot use them opening salaries or whatever, but we can use it for panic, stipends and reimbursing distributors for whatever needs, including stickers infrastructure course domain calls whatever.

D

Whatever do you have a list of? Do you have a list of things that we can uh that you can that we you, where we usually spend money um so, for instance, from an infrastructure point of view. I know that we've been using the spi to pay the same grid account, but it's only 15 per month.

D

But obviously, if we want to to use that money to pay the azure account, then everything will be done in one one month. Well, yeah! If you talk about asia, account.

C

It's a completely different story: yeah right now we are not related to that. I mean thanks to the continuous delivery foundation for sponsoring um but yeah. If you really need to play a tenth seventh per month, then we will need to really work on crowdfunding.

D

Right: that's why I'm mentioning that? Maybe we could have a list, but how we use that money.

C

Yeah, that was the list I reworked it uh last year when I was setting it up, because before that we had to alter the recommendation, which was in conflict with how we used to actually spend money.

C

So it's facilitating whatever key initiatives, including outreach programs, spark, etc operating and infrastructure expenses, uh organizing meetups gifts for important security, vulnerabilities funding, travel grants and yeah. Basically, it's what we had historically.

C

So if you see anything missing there, please feel free to suggest a change but yeah one. Are you reviewing that this list will seem to be covering all the actual needs.

D

So yeah, I know that's not the right season for that, but personally I would prefer to to sponsor maybe some g-suck students if they want to travel to to talk about jenkins or whatever yeah. So for that.

C

We have a jsoc budget, so is chip, which is not mentioned. He is japanese, which specifically uh uh covers uh how we spend the gsoc budgeting and uh the agreement in this job that basically sock money remain designated for json and historically, we have spent this money for tribal grants. For example, in 2019 we were able to sponsor four students to travel to jenkinsfold the voxvolt and yep.

C

Obviously, last year we didn't sponsor any student because there was no travel, but we still keep this money and this potential that we sponsor them in the coming years from the station normalizes.

B

Do we want, I mean not json directly, but do we want to sponsor any other open source stuff that we use so.

D

The cheap program, the what.

B

I was I mean I, I sponsor a bunch of the javascript build tools and javascript libraries that I use personally quite a bit, I'm just thinking that jenkins uses a few javascript ones, but a lot of uh java ones, and it might be worth like if someone was donating to jenkins. I don't know if they would necessarily donate to things that jenkins uses.

C

Yeah, I would agree with that and if you wanted, I would rather suggest a different approach, because we can definitely highlight opportunities for donation and we can help, for example, by submitting contributions to upstream etc. I wouldn't spend jenkins budget on sponsoring other projects unless there is a justified need for the jenkins project.

C

So, for example, if you want to improve, let's say, even release plugin to help jenkins releases, it's definitely something we can sponsor from the jinx budget.

C

Yeah so right now, I basically brought up this question just to get feedback from somebody. So if nobody sees any strict need to move out from spi, then no variance here.

C

I just have confirmation from the linux foundation that we can move the funds without additional fee from the linux foundation, but yeah there is no emergency need to do the transition.

C

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Anything else on budgeting and other things.

C

Now I think a reminder for me that we actually need to publish the budget report for the previous year, vx actually expected to publish the budget report every six months of the governance board. If I recall correctly, it was written somewhere in the governance dock, but yeah. I don't think it was a kiss before yeah. I will set a reminder for myself because I was going through these budget things anyway.

C

Okay, more fun topic, so actually we missed the event. So in february it was 10 years since hudson renewing to jenkins so yeah. We missed that, but maybe we still want to somehow do some marketing related stuff around this event. So, for example, just like having a blog post with some testimonials from finding fathers like kiki, talia, andrew buyer, maybe somebody else then yeah.

C

If you have other ideas in mind, you can definitely do that- maybe also a special sticker, though yeah, I'm not sure whether you have my wife to do that.

D

And personally, I would find it weird since we promoted the 15 years of jenkins not so long ago. So I would find it weird to not talk about the 10 years of jenkins.

C

Well, even 15 years was a bit weird because the promo, so the 15 years promotion happened on the cdf, but not on jenkins.

C

Due to reasons I can fully comprehend, except the lack of and white on the community side. So I would definitely do some promotion.

C

So yeah blog post- I guess it's something we can definitely do it's not like. We have too many blog posts every day and drinking sale, so regarding stickers and well schwab for contributors and whatever yeah, I'm not sure, because it's basically production and logistics costs. One of that libya.

B

Wants keycaps remember that right, olivier wants keycaps.

D

So we know how to spend the money yeah to send them from ganeda to europe.

B

Yeah and then I also know who the people that have mechanical keyboards.

C

Yeah well, actually, it's not the worst idea, I mean well, it's definitely a good thing to do. Also some people start running out of t-shirts. I guess but yeah and so yeah.

C

The main problem for us is production, because currently the official way we can use pinnacle it's vendor of the linux foundation and to get this work on the linux foundation store, uh for example, contributor bundles, like we did for json uix hackfest last year, uh but yeah from what we discovered uh delivering schwa from the costa leg and yeah right now, I'm trying to figure it out because there are other requests for schwa, including she called suffrage.

C

And yeah right now, I'm I don't have answer and if somebody knows a friendly company, you should deliver these things and produce schwag bundles, like stickers, t-shirts, etc. We could definitely talk with them.

C

Yeah, for example, daniel beck currently uses red bubble for security gifts yeah. All of that things are quite expensive. Actually.

B

I think digitalocean uses that same one jenkins uses, so I don't have anything.

C

Yeah so well, jenkins, currently uses only pinnacle.

B

I just couldn't remember that I know you just said it, but I couldn't remember the name so.

C

I mean it's a relatively small company, but yeah they sell for the entire linux foundation. So I guess all of us on the call got a few boxes from them over the past year.

C

All the boxes are really cool but yeah. The delivery cost is not cool, so yeah.

C

And we don't really need fedex. I guess.

B

I I think in general, shipping international is expensive.

C

Yeah right but yeah, I can just share some numbers. So, for example, if I want to send 250 grams from switzerland to the united states or to india, it costs nine francs, well, nine dollars, basically, and if I want to do this same with pinnacle, it costs eight times more.

C

So yeah we need to figure out uh these numbers, um but here right now here I would rather send it from switzerland so yeah when we had this octopus, I'm at 19, martin denju did a heroic effort, sending everything from uh from canada and thought.

C

But it's it's totally possible. It's just a huge time investment to do if you do it without the logistics system.

E

I I think a lot of people start paying attention also to their car, their carbon footprint, and I think it would be cool if we could brag about. You know caring for the environment and and not like sending stuff to the other side of the world, but maybe spending time on on finding a local vendor that can, I don't know print stickers in india or something like that or.

C

We can send pdfs and whatever nfc tokens right.

E

Yeah I mean I, I understand it's, it's probably a troublesome, but I I personally get very irritated when effie code sense sends us something that I didn't ask for, and I definitely I I.

D

Definitely agree with you, but for the challenge there is. It depends. If you have a local event, then you can or I mean, then you can prepare everything locally. That's fine! That's what I've been doing for him. For instance, for first time I print everything in belgium- and I mean most of the things are- are produced in belgium, but when you have like events where people can contribute from everywhere in the world, that's quite challenging to have local.

D

E

I I understand it's not always possible, but uh if we, if we, if we can manage to step it like a bit like one step further, that's.

D

Also something.

E

That's uh that's, you know.

D

Maybe maybe have a list of vendor per continent or per countries, or something like that. I think.

B

We should do like hacktoberfest and just offer to not send swag be like hey. You know you want to recognize your contribution. You want to plant a tree instead, you know.

C

Yeah then jenkins contributed will want a tree and settle or send a fourteen to tweeter yeah.

B

And then we'll we'll plant the plant trees in the shape of the butler too.

C

Okay, well, actually, it makes sense, though well schweck also makes sense to some extent um but yeah. I don't think that we can go come on click see this show so.

B

I did I send it into the chat, but I I saw it in uh uh it's. One of the one of the ones I learned about recently is ecology.com, um so essentially it'll. Let you uh gift uh with an eye, so ecology.

B

Yeah, so essentially you can gift trees to people, so you can set it up and I think they have an api as well. So this would be another option too.

C

Oh yeah, uh there is actually the same uh program on so basically when you participate in oktoberfest the results vendor and they you could actually uh plant the trees. I would likely.

B

One of so digital ocean runs oktoberfest and one of the digital ocean customers wrote a tool that you can log in with your digitalocean account and it'll. Look at all the servers, you're running and then uh click. You click a button and you donate that many trees to counteract the number of servers you're running yeah. So that's how I heard about this.

C

Yeah, I have to admit that I actually ordered a t-shirt uh from, but at the same time I found it to 23s yeah so well. I guess.

E

Yeah and like a physical swag is it it means a lot to to to many people, and there are still some things that I like. So I'm not saying like you know, let's, let's, let's.

B

E

Trees only or something like that, but I think those are nice ideas and and and depending on the uh event or or or what's the occasion we can probably come up with with with some some solution. That would appeal to most.

D

Yeah yeah, I'm definitely in favor of that, because I mean, when you look at the october, face a lot of people choose the trees option. That was quite popular, so I would definitely prefer that that option as well.

B

And if we can do a group buy, we could be like jenkins tree plants, 10 000, trees,.

C

So next face-to-face contributor side will be quite busy right: planting trees, yeah yeah.

B

We'll all bring a spade and start planting them one at a time.

E

No yeah, I'm in.

B

Yeah, I'd rather do with drones, though, because I think they're more fun.

C

Okay, anyway, it's a good idea to consider and again we could partner with whatever organization like uh ecology or something like that and to see how we could promote it, because it could be a more or less permanent uh call to action. Why not yeah.

C

So yeah is there anything else on what we were discussing actually yeah celebrating 10 years I'll give you some power in the top responding trees.

B

Well, we're talking about uh producing swag for that event,.

C

Yeah right so for this particular event, I don't think we have enough time to produce work so well. We can just uh do blog post layer for now and if you have some bandwidth later, let's see how we could what we could do.

D

But I think that's a good idea to to have a little swag that we can produce for future events. So yeah.

C

That's right, so, basically, what I asked cdf for is having a swag box. Basically, you can choose either jenkins socks or jenkins, t-shirt, one of options, sizes, etc, and also a pack of jenkins and cdf stickers.

C

So the cost of the box itself is totally reasonable. I mean without really a box, but having a package, so we can do it for 15 dollars or so um or maybe 20.. uh The the problem real problem right now is delivery, cost because uh 20 dollars for schwab kit, it's totally fine, uh but yeah 100 for schwartz boxing delivery doesn't seem to be so fine.

B

What about for 100? For the 10-year thing? We do something different and we, I know it's weird, to spend the money like that, but like um name a star or something like that name, a star jenkins, ci or something you know as a big milestone.

C

B

C

B

Programs out there that you know when they discover a new sun or whatever you can. You can name a star out there and register it. It's really just a name on paper, but it you know it's kind of something. That's different and you know unique and you could throw it up there and say you know. You know to celebrate 10 years we donated to this or we named this or you know.

B

Because I I mean as regular contributors to jenkins and everything else, there's a lot of swag that comes their way like I got a bunch when I was at jenkins world, I got a bunch when I went to conferences at work. I don't think any of the people on this call are probably the ones that are lacking in swag.

B

um I think the people who are lacking a swag are the new contributors, but I'm not sure the 10-year mark is a good idea to get uh swipe to new contributors. I think it's a good way to bring in new contributors and so doing something unique and different would be a way to bring in new contributors, because people talk about it.

C

Right so yeah regarding stars yeah, we missed the first april because we could buy some property on the moon, yeah non-smoking, junkie service. There olivia would be quite busy with it will.

B

You put ipfs up there and just uh everyone can archive their artifacts to the moon.

C

B

C

Idea for the next year.

C

Okay, so yeah, let's keep discussing that so I'm working on this schweit kids, uh we have multiple programs, so it's not only called south africa. We had some computers, hoping to be drinks, fantastic and report issues. We also have a few other programs to keep in mind, including which ones but yeah. Once we have a schwa kit on this df store or elsewhere, it becomes quite automatic.

C

You don't want to handle logistics for all of that.

B

I'm realizing it how late it is for you all, because the three of you are yawning like mad. It's making me want to yawn.

B

He hasn't started yawning yet.

C

Okay, so speaking of that, uh what do we do with meeting times, because yeah 8 pm utc seemed to find when it was 9 pm in europe? Now it's 10 p.m. In europe,.

B

I'm good moving in an hour early if you want.

A

That would be nice earlier, certainly great for me.

A

Evelina olivier chris any objections to you to moving it one hour earlier. I.

B

Would probably prefer julie as well?

B

I could do as far as two hours I couldn't do any earlier than that, but two hours is fine.

D

For me as well.

A

Yeah, I think, uli's our purpose in moving it to to only to the current time was so that uli could have a chance to put kids to bed and and still be able to attend the meeting after kids were in bed. So for me, moving two hours earlier risks that will will be right into his kid's bedtime. No.

B

I agree: that's just.

D

B

This is my perfect.

D

Because I was in the same situation: uh 9 9 a.m and 9 p.m. For me, it's easier because I'm sure that the kids are sleeping.

C

All right, okay! So, let's start at 9pm.

E

Oh, thank god,.

B

I mean it's, it's that's noon for me, so it doesn't bother me at all.

C

B

C

Have an open question of whether you want to adjust meeting schedule if you want to have some meetings in region and pacific time zone, but here right now there was no interest contributors, so rick, I guess, would start joining if we had meetings in this time zone um but yeah for the government's governance. One are just meetings in general uh governance. We have a few meetings in the apartments on over there like jkusk and well. Chinese localization see.

B

I know I can't do european mornings, it's it's like 3 a.m. For me, yeah, australia and I can do but not european. So.

C

Well, we still need to do the most of this type of synchronous, asynchronously yeah, so these meetings should be rather just rubber, stamping, whatever decisions and maybe having some discussions so well, it's great to have a long discussion like this one about one increase, etc, but yeah yeah.

C

That's why we could have such sessions in the morning as well in my morning, sometimes so that other contributors also get involved. But it's strictly speaking not about governance.

C

So yeah, I think we agreed about the meeting times anything else for today.

B

No, I want to pick mark and olivia's brain briefly afterwards, but I'm good.

A

A

Oh, like I'm, going to go ahead and stop the recording and.