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From YouTube: Jenkins Governance Meeting, Jul 29, 2020
Description
Recording of the regular Jenkins Governance Meeting. At this meting we discussed the recent news (core release automation, next LTS baseline, public roadmap), reviewed results of the "Jenkins master" term replacement voting and next steps, CDF graduation status, Core Infrastructure Initiative checklist and the Jenkins Epipheo video proposal, Full agenda and meeting notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Nr8QpqYgBiZjORplL_3Zkwys2qK1vEvK-NYyYa4rzg/edit#heading=h.cgd8zbewht8o
A
Yeah
welcome
to
the
junkies
governance
meeting
today
is
july
29th.
A
We
have
a
few
topics
for
today,
so
we
will
discuss
what
are
the
recent
news
in
the
project
and
we
will
discuss
terminology
updates,
core
release
infrastructure
and
talk
about
the
cdf
graduation
process
and
epiphany
videos
and
also
discuss
our
communication
channels
going
forward
there.
Any
other
topics
which
we
are
missing
here.
A
B
There
sure
so,
we've
delivered
weekly
releases
for
several
months
long
term
support
release
was
just
really
delivered.
This
week,
security
releases
were
delivered
last
week.
B
Good
progress
on
all
of
them,
thanks
very
much
to
olivier
bernin
for
his
work.
B
Timing
is
very
good,
we're
delighted
with
the
progress
we
expect
that
the
next
release
of
the
lts
in
mid-august
will
also
use
the
court
release
automation.
We
think
we're
we're
ready
to
go
so
yeah
and
that's
and
yes,
olivia
has
agreed
to
host
an
online
or
to
do
an
online
meetup
in
august
discussing
what
we've
learned
from
core
release,
automation,
etc.
A
Yeah
so
sorry
I
haven't
announced
the
meetup
here.
I
will
do
it
tomorrow:
okay,
so
yeah,
thanks
to
all
contributors,
because
it's
a
major
update
and
during
that
we
also
experienced
a
lot
of
issues,
for
example,
this
windows
packaging
thanks
a
lot
to
alex
for
that.
Well
for
fixing
all
the
stuff
and
yeah.
Now
we
are
also
ready
to
ship
the
new
windows
installation
lcs.
A
So
we
will
be
officially
able
to
close
this
item,
which
has
been
in
preview
for
more
than
one
year,
which
is
a
great
achievement
as
well:
okay,
okay,
anything
else
on
corus
automation,
okay,
I'm
going
with
lcs
baseline
selection.
So
it's
just
for
information
of
all
contributors.
Okay,
we
changed
the
process
in
this
spring.
So
now
we
start
the
lcs
baseline
selection
two
weeks
earlier,
and
there
is
a
developer
manufacture
thread
about
choosing
the
new
version,
so
the
version
which
is
expected
to
land
in
mid-september-
and
currently
we
are
working.
A
We
are
looking
at
2,
249
or
2.250,
which
are
basically
the
same.
A
A
A
Okay
and
yeah
on
this
separate
note,
there
should
be
also
a
release
candidate
today,
but
we
don't
have
oliver
on
the
call,
so
my
understanding
that
the
release
is
not
at
least
it
is
not
ready.
A
B
C
A
Yeah,
I
know
one
topic
related
to
that
is
terminology
backwards,
because
we
agreed
at
the
last
meeting
so
that
we
would
like
to
backport
terminology
so
yeah.
For
me,
it
was
a
particular
interest
to
see
whether
it
would
happen
in
this
release,
but
if
not,
it
will
land
in
september.
So
it's
not
a
huge.
A
A
A
And
only
about
agents
coordinator,
it's
a
bigger
story
or
whatever
it's
called.
We
will
talk
about
it
just
in
a
few
minutes:
okay,
yeah,
just
to
clarify
agent
terminology,
okay,
so
next
important
note
to
that
yeah,
as
we
discussed
at
the
last
governance
meeting,
we
published
the
roadmap.
So
all
the
changes
are
integrated
thanks
a
lot
to
alexa
for
being
a
bdfl
delegate
in
this
story.
A
A
A
D
Sure
so
can
you
guys
hear
me
okay,
yes,
so
the
poll
is
closing
today
mark
I'm
not
sure
what
time
that
actually
happens,
but
the
poll
is
closed
and
then
we
can
take
the
recommendations
from
that
poll
and
bring
them
into
a
governance
meeting
to
discuss
the
replacement
term
or
terms.
However,
we
want
to
define
it,
so
we
should
be
able
to
do
that
in
the
next
governance
meeting.
D
A
Then
next
is
manager
which
95
to
35
so
taking
the
total
number
of
votes,
it's
a
significant
lead
and
then
a
coordinator
which
is
quite
close
to
manager,
then
primary,
which
is
quite
close
to
coordinator
and
then
main
director
lead
and
executive.
Quite
behind.
So
basically
we
have
one
front
runner
three
terms
which
got
pretty
much
similar
results.
A
D
D
Run
them
through
google
translate
and
see
kind
of
if
there's
any
reach
out
some
of
the
members
of
the
community
who
speak
those
languages
and
have
them
give
us
a
little
bit
of
feedback
just
so
we
don't
pick
a
term
that
has
negative
connotations
in
another
language
or
some
bias
as
well.
So
we
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
from
that
from
this,
we
don't
introduce
additional
issues.
So
that's
why
I'd
like
to
wait
until
next
governance
meeting
to
discuss
it.
A
C
I
have
a
quick
question
about:
do
we
do
we
only
want
one
replacement
term
or
multiple?
C
I
brought
it
up
in
the
discussion
and
several
others
as
well
that
it
would
be
quite
weird
to
call
the
node
that's
running
inside
the
main
jenkins
process,
to
also
call
that
controller
or
manager
when
it
doesn't
control
or
manage
anything,
but
I'm
not
sure
whether
that
was
taken
into
account
with
the
terminology
selection.
D
Agreed
that
was-
and
I
apologize
for
not
responding
to
that
on
the
mailing
list.
I
think
this
one
is
specifically
about
the
server
is
kind
of
what
we're
talking
about
the
node
term
is
something
that
we
can
that
we
can
also
think
about,
but
I
I
agree
that
controller
does
not
make
sense
for
the
main
node
or
what
used
to
be
called
the
master
node.
So
that
is
definitely
something
we
need
to
think
about
as
well.
C
Yeah,
so
to
clarify
the
plan
is
to
replace
that,
but
so
we
get
rid
of
the
term
master
completely,
but
not
necessarily
with
the
same
term
as
we
chose
here.
A
Yeah
so
yeah,
I'm
just
picking
what
phrasing
we
talk
using
the
announcements
so
basically
jenkins
application,
whatever
it's
called
but
yeah,
so
sub
components.
A
B
A
D
D
That's
going
to
take
a
lot
of
research
and
so
forth,
because
it's
all
over
the
place-
and
I
I
know
it's
it's
not
as
visible
as
within
the
ui
and
documentation
things
like
that,
but
it.
I
know,
lots
of
people
go
look
at
the
source
code
when
they're
doing
things,
and
so
it
is
still
a
very
visible
portion
that
would
be
nice
to
to
fix
up
things
like
dumb
slave.
You
know
that
that
would
be
one
of
my
very
first
things
that
I
would
want
to
to
address
and
things
like
that.
A
With
that-
and
we
should
take
a
look
on
that
and
yeah
for
dumb
slave,
we
had
an
action
item
one
year
ago
today
make
a
discovery,
how
we
could
clean
it
up,
but
yeah
there
was
no
conclusive
result
and
yeah.
Other
actions
really
need
to
take
is
actually
communicating
the
changes,
because.
C
Alex
could
clarify
whether
you
would
say
the
source
code,
changes
or
internal
changes
are
within
the
scope
of
the
master
renaming,
or
is
that
a
separate
project
altogether?
Because
so
far
I
had
the
impression
that,
similar
to
what
we
did
with
agent,
we
would
look
at
labels,
documentation
and
such
first.
D
Yeah
that
you're
absolutely
correct.
It's
not
part
of
this
current
master,
it's!
It
is
a
next
step
in
the
process
of
cleaning
up
terminology
and
jenkins.
It's
not
part
of
this
master
rename.
So
it's
not
something
that
I'm
looking
at
doing
as
a
short
term
or
or
you
know
within
this
rename.
It
is
something
for
the
future.
C
A
But
even
without
classes,
master's
terminology
name
implies
a
lot
of
changes
in
our
documentation.
A
lot
of
changes
on
jenkins
io
in
general
in
built-in
documentation
like
web
uis,
so
online.
D
A
A
Probably
we
want
to
break
it
down
and
move
for
epa
and
classes
to
future
because
yeah,
basically
it
makes
sense
to
update
agent
terminal,
jpi
and
master
terminology
api
at
the
same
time.
Theoretically,
but
yeah,
it's
a
implementation
detail.
I
just
agree
with
daniel
that
we
won't
be
able
to
do
it
soon.
D
A
Yeah,
so
assuming
that
we
do
a
final
decision,
the
next
governance
meeting,
how
do
we
plan
communications
on
that?
Do
we
do
any
communications
before
the
next
meeting
or
do
we
do
everything
after.
D
I
think
we
communicate
once
we've
decided.
We
already
said
that
the
poll
is
is
closing
on
july
29th,
so
I
don't
think
we
need
to
resend
out
information
about
that.
However,
I
think
definitely,
once
we
make
the
decision,
we
can
send
something
out
to
the
dev
list
as
a
follow-up
to
the
terminology
updates
thread
that
we
had.
A
Before
yeah,
so
death
list
is
okay.
What
about
jenkins
blog
social
media?
That,
because
at
this
point
it
rather
makes
sense
to
do
them
at
least
to
talk
a
bit
about
what
would
be
our
roadmap
there,
because.
D
Yeah,
definitely
I'm
I'm
writing
a
post
for
cdf.
As
kind
of
part
of
this
I
don't
know,
I
can
write
something
else
for
jenkins
blog
specifically.
I'm
fine
either
way.
A
B
A
Yeah,
let's
see
well,
we
also
need
to
somehow
highlight
alex
blog
post
so,
but
now
we
can
do
that
because
we
did
voting
so
public
communications
wouldn't
impact
the
voting
result.
At
least
it's
my
understanding.
A
Okay,
next
preconceived
roadmap
items
to
be
more
for
oh,
it's
roadmap,
so
other
updates
yeah
one
thing
was
mentioning:
I
started
cleaning
up
a
black
list
point
list
in
the
change
log,
mostly
related
to
job
200.
So
now
it's
integrated.
C
C
A
So
yeah,
basically,
we
agreed
to
use.
Allow
list
deny
list
in
the
course.
C
Right
or
I
mean
whatever
other
terms,
make
sense,
some
the
whitelist
blacklist,
as
it
turned
out,
was
also
a
very
unspecific
term,
so
bringing
to
the
attention
that
it's
often
better
to
just
explain
exactly
what
is
being
listed
and
what
the
result
is
even
improved.
The
readability.
D
Yeah
and
that's
something
that
we
brought
up
on
the
mailing
list
too,
I
think
or
in
the
governance
meeting
a
few
weeks
ago,
or
something
that
definitely
it
doesn't
have
to
just
be
a
search,
replace
white
list
to
allow
lists
and
so
forth,
to
actually
look
at
what's
written
there.
And
if
it's
there's
a
better
way
to
explain
the
context,
then
that's
absolutely
great.
C
A
Okay
yeah:
this
is
a
great
thing
actually,
so
we
should
also
keep
cleaning
it
up.
Fortunately,
the
exposure
in
the
code
base
is
much
lower
well,
except
the
white
list
annotation
in
pipeline
api,
but
yeah.
I
think
that
we
can
do
something
about
that,
because
annotations
can
be
inherited.
So
it's
basically
a
small
matter
of
programming
to
get
it
updated.
A
Okay,
let's
move
on
then
so
to
pick
up
this
one
is
current
transaction
initiative,
so
I
posted
the
update
to
the
developer
mailing
list,
so
great
news
actually
officially
passing
the
ci
criteria
so
what
it
means
that
we
have.
We
are
compliant
with
all
the
basic
criteria
defined
by
call
infrastructure
initiative.
A
So
you
can
find
there
are
some
descriptions
and
answers
which
provide
more
details
about
what
we
do,
what
we
don't
do,
etc
and
in
addition
to
that,
we
started
reviewing
criteria
for
silver
and
gold
level,
so
in
cia
in
total
you
can
get
to
300
so
right
now
we
at
133,
but
it's
enough
to
get
a
passing
page.
So
right
now
it's
applied
and
it's
also
available
on
our
call
request.
Alright.
So
now,
if
you
go
here,
you
can
actually
see
cia
bridge
just
to
have
it.
A
So
this
story
is
far
from
being
completed,
because
if
we
go
after
silver
and
gold
criteria,
there
is
a
lot
of
requirements.
Some
of
these
requirements
well
they're
quite
arguable,
but
they
want
to
comply
with
them.
Some
of
them
are
quite
reasonable
and
it's
a
matter
of
improvements
so
yeah
we
can
do
a
lot,
but
it's
not
on
the
table
right
now.
So
if
someone
wants
to
keep
working
on
that,
please
feel
free
to
contribute
to
suggest
changes.
I
will
be
happy
to
incorporate
them,
but
yeah,
at
least
in
the
coming
months.
A
Looks
like
no
okay,
the
next
one
is
cdf
radiation.
So
yeah,
like
we
discussed
at
the
last
meeting,
I
submitted
a
request
to
cdf
to
start
the
graduation
process
on
july
21st.
There
was
a
cdf
talk
meeting
where
we
briefly
presented
what
we
changed
in
the
process
and
we
presented
our
compliance
checklist,
which
is
full
green
and
just
second
I'll
show
it
to
you.
A
Cdf
talk
started
offline
vote
in
the
mailing
list,
so
you
can
see
the
results
of
vote
here.
Actually,
the
vote
is
still
ungoing,
but
we've
got
a
bunch
of
plus
ones,
including
a
number
of
plus
ones
from
talk
members,
so
by
make
ones-
and
it
looks
like
really
positive,
so
we
are
waiting
for
official
announcement,
but
it
looks
like
everything
is
on
track
there.
There
was
no
concerns
and
I
believe
that
we
will
do
it
as
planned.
A
So,
thanks
to
all
who
contributed
thanks
to
security
team
for
reviewing
checklist,
et
cetera,
which
is
was
required
for
ci
and
for
ocd
of
duration
and
yeah,
thanks
to
who
contributed
to
code
of
conduct
in
other
areas,
because
it
really
helped
us
to
get
this
story
over
the
line.
D
A
E
Yeah,
so
thanks
to
cloudbees,
they
gave
me
as
a
chunk
of
many
money
to
to
create
a
video
that
talks
about
jenkins
and
the
goal
of
the
video
is
to
help
basically
promote
jenkins
and
see
to
let
people
know
why
jenkins
is
so
great
right
and
we
we
want
to
attract
more
jenkins
users.
Of
course,
more
people
to
the
community,
and
my
goal
is
to
have
this
played
on
jenkins.io
and
in
social
media
as
well.
A
Yeah,
I'm
just
playing
it
through
zoom
screencast,
I'm
not
sure
how
it
works,
but
yeah-
and
this
is
a
draft
of
the
video
right.
So
there
was
a
reservation
with
a
few
updates.
E
Yeah,
so
this
is
so
this
this
video
is,
is
not
final,
we're
working
on
the
final
version
right
now,
I'm
hoping
to
get
it
either
in
the
next
week
or
two
but
yeah.
So
this
is
just
the
draft.
The
latest
draft,
so
I
like
to
get
approval
to
use
it
on
jenkins.io.
A
Do
you
mean
on
jinx
detail
on
the
front
page
right.
E
B
E
Yeah,
no,
I
I
don't
think
so
mark
I
think
it
would
be
towards
lower
lower
towards
the
page
yeah
yeah.
It's
either
a
dealer
before
those
logos
or
before
the
blog,
but
I
don't.
I
don't
want
it
to
replace
the
jumbotron
for
sure.
Okay.
A
A
E
B
Could
no
we
should,
I
think
it
should
be.
We
should,
I
think
we
should
host
the
video
on
youtube,
but
we'll
present
it
through
the
page
on
jenkins.io
from
the
youtube
hosting
oleg.
I
think
what
your
your
observation
was
is
we
need.
We
need
somebody
assigned
that
takes
that
and
says:
okay,
let's
make
sure
it
works
within
the
context
of
that
page
and
that'd
be
part
of
the
pull
request
to
make
it
work.
A
Yeah,
so
we
can't
easily
put
it
on
jumbotron,
because
most
likely
everything
will
go
crazy.
If
you
try
to
embed
video
here
right,
yeah,
embedding
it
here
in
a
static
context.
Yes,
it's
doable
at
the
same
time.
You
have
never
tried
it
so
right.
Well,
somebody
would
need
to
implement
it
and
yeah.
If
it's
hosted
on
youtube,
we
could
embed
player.
We
actually
did
it
for
a
few
blog
posts
before
so
we
used
embed
video
there
just
second
I'm
looking
for
a
blog
post.
We
should
be
doing
that.
A
B
So,
oh
like
this
is
when
I'd
propose,
let
me
take
the
assignment
to
work
with
alyssa
on,
given
that
it's
I've
got
the
documentation
officer
title,
and
this
is
really
something
that
goes
into
the
docs.
Let
me
take
that
and
if
I'm
not
able
to
fit
it,
capacity-wise
I'll
go
looking
for
somebody
else
to
help
me.
A
A
Well,
it's
something
to
decide
here.
I
guess
right
now
and
after
that,
if
everybody
agrees,
okay,.
B
E
It's
pretty
much
it's
almost
final
daniel
we
there
was,
there
were
two
edits
that
we
sent
to
them,
one
which
oleg
caught,
which
says
cloud
jenkins.com
to
be
jenkins.io,
that
was
in
the
audio,
and
then
we
asked
them
to
tweak
brought
to
you
by.
E
I
think
we
changed
it
to
thank
you
to
our
sponsor
cloudbees
and
cdf,
so
those
were
the
two
things
that
we're
gonna
change.
The
audio
the
person
that
is
speaking
is
also
going
to
change
as
well.
So
we
just
use
the
person
that
was
working
on
this
video
as
kind
of
like
a
placeholder.
C
I'm
so
I
just
looked
at
the
video
real
quick
at
the
start
of
this
meeting
and
what
I
noticed
is
the
device
shown
in
the
video
is
a
railgun
and
I'm
not
entirely
sure.
We
want
jenkins
to
be
associated
with
that,
or
maybe
I'm
just
reading
too
much
into
that.
C
The
the
earlier
version
this
looks
nice
and
futuristic,
but
the
other
looked
a
lot
like
a
railgun.
So
hence
the
question
you
mean
this
one
yeah.
C
C
So
I
may
it
might
be
that
I'm
reading
too
much
into
it,
and
I
don't
need
this
to
change.
But
perhaps
that's
something
to
be
considered.
How
that
looks
if,
if
we
expect
others
to
have
the
same
association.
E
Right
right,
no,
no,
I
think
it's
a
valid
point,
but
I
like
to
to
hear
what
others
think.
A
D
It
would
be
useful
to
for
me
to
be
able
to
watch
the
whole
thing,
including
the
audio
before
I
can
get
some
feedback.
So
maybe
I
can
do
that
via
email
or
something
I
would
just
like
to
just
watch
the
whole
video
and
see
with
the
audio
what
I
think.
A
A
So
I
just
noted
the
current
votes.
So
what
is
your
timeline
for
publishing
kalisa.
A
Oh
so
you're
taking
the
plans
for
one
ounce
months,
et
cetera
and
yeah
next
week
or
maybe
but
yeah
my
understanding.
That
august
will
be
quite
packed
with
announcements,
because
we
need
to
announce
a
road
map.
We
need
to
announce
graduation,
apparently
the
day
it's
finally
signed
off.
We
need.
E
Well,
I
think
my
main
goal
was
trying
to
get
this
into
the
announcement
for
the
graduation,
but
I'm
not
sure
that's
gonna,
I'm
they're
gonna
be
able
to
make.
A
I
it
know
so
yeah
assuming
that
daniel
and
alex
take
a
look
review
and
agree
whether
it's
okay
or
not.
Do
we
need
any
other
steps.
E
A
Me,
okay,
thank
you
alisa,
so
the
next
question
is
rather
formal
is
whether
we
want
to
switch
the
meetings
to
zoom
going
forward
or
whether
we
want
to
do
them
in
irc,
because
last
time
we
were
discussing.
Basically
everybody
said
that
the
preference
is
their
c.
A
At
least
you
know,
we
see
people
because
yeah
in
rc,
it's
also
difficult
to
get
participants.
So
it's
not
something
like
university.
We
had
more
participants,
especially
during
july
august
time
frame,
so
I'm
not
too
concerned
about
switching
to
zoom.
My
main
concern
is
actually
about
correctly
doing
meeting
nodes
because
if
you
are
doing
it
in
irc,
basically
everything
is
recorded.
Everything
can
be
tracked
by
participants,
but
if
you
do
it
in
zoom,
then
just
we
have
video
publishing
delay.
A
B
A
B
Agreed
and
that
feels
like
a
good
role
that
whoever
the
scribe
is,
could
take
to
do
that
that
way,
the
the
board
members
don't
have
to
carry
that
burden
and
but
you're
right
absolutely
if
we've
got
a
thread
in
the
dev
list.
That
is
the
place
to
confirm
that
the
governance
board
chose
this
rather
than
making
those
people
go,
find
the
the
governance
board
notes.
A
Well,
we
publish
video
on
youtube,
so
in
youtube
we
can
just
enable
transcription,
just
in
one
click
if
you
want,
but
it's
far
from
being
perfect
and
let's
say
if
you're
a
native
speaker,
it's
probably
okay,
if
you're,
not
a
native
speaker
yeah,
it
leads
to
various
funny
things,
so
I
would
prefer
to
not
use
automation
there.
B
C
A
Let's
try
to
do
that
and
yeah.
Let's
assume
that
you're
going
forward.
Zoom
is
a
default
communication
channel
and
they
have
pretty
much
lands.
That's
resolved
special
interest
groups
etc.
Mostly
in
my
video
calls
these
days.
A
A
D
We're
still
in
the
let's
be
over
40
c,
so.