Jenkins Platform SIG, 18 Jul 2019

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Jenkins platform special interest group meeting July 18, 2019.

Topics include plugin installation manager tool, release drafter tool use, alternatives for Oracle Java SE tool (formerly known as JDK tool), Windows installer status, and DevOps World | Jenkins World 2019 plans for the Platform SIG

A

Welcome everyone to the Jenkins platform special interest group meeting, we're great great grateful to have you here. Let's get started I'm going to share my screen and we're going to talk through the agenda so.

A

First topic, as usual, open action items. We then had a topic to hear an update from Natasha on the plugin installation manager tool. We've got the option to hear from Alex Earle on the Windows installer. If he's available, release draft or progress from Oleg and then JDK tool next steps any other agenda topics that need to be added to the agenda before we actually start working on the agenda.

A

Okay, then, let's look at action items. Yes, I still have the open the jet topic, no I haven't done it. I, probably won't do it before Jenkins world time is quite crunched. Right now, all like you've still got the action item for Windows support policy yeah. It's the man, okay and Alex, reported this morning on his action item that there is some block still in terms of code. Signing infrastructure.

A

I know that Olivier that mean was offline for a period, so I assume that that is that remains open, and then we had the community bridge project. Unlike anything, you wanted to report. There I've seen some.

B

Activity there recently.

C

Tracer, so basically it stops the funding project, community vision, which means we put the tool, enabled to me it happen, and currently we explore options. Whether we can find it to be is from Jenkins budget I mean technically, if it happens so then yeah. Basically, we can use existing judging this budget to fund community bridge projects and as we do outreach for example, okay, so so.

A

The same pattern as the LBG project yeah right now.

C

Yeah so right now nothing is 100% clear, but yeah. It looks like I'm a bit fine, at least in the relation mode, for this yeah.

A

That's great, thank you very much.

C

C

Maybe Jake is volt, so it basically depends on when you get final confirmations from the Linux Foundation and CDF.

A

God so, and so the crucial thing there that I had missed in the earlier description was the funding page begins the process of allowing organizations and individuals to contribute funds towards a community bridge project. A project- that's not funded, certainly won't happen, because that's the kind of idea that that is yeah, that's so they need basically.

C

We can meet on the projects each not funded. I mean there is no problem to no projects in Mozilla Foundation. Does it so myself? Attention doesn't pay any kind of statement to students, because basically they provide mentorship time. They provide expertise and students.

C

So projects is general community bridge. It can be used for 400 projects because yeah in such case we can use a Linux Foundation legal entities, etcetera to make.

A

Excellent, thank you all right and so Natasha I gather that you just responded to slide on his question about the about the zum-zum lake yeah.

D

I think he was asking if it was the same as last week or something but I'm, not sure, but I mean the link that you posted worked for me. So actually did you work for him too.

A

Thank you, Thanks, so I think that covers all of our current action items. Natasha we're ready to talk about plug-in installation manager, tool, okay,.

D

Yeah so I'll just give you guys, like a quick update of the things I've been working on. So probably since the last time we talked um some of like the update. Centers were hard-coded, so since then, I've added support to get those from environment variables or from CLI options.

D

I also added support for like defaults for Windows, instead of just like UNIX or Linux platforms, and then I've kind of been working through some issues with the dependency resolution. So previously, all that was done by grabbing information from the manifest but I know all I could mention that it would be nice to be able to get some of that from the update center data.

D

The promise is just not all necessarily located in one place, so I think that's mostly fixed now, but I was kind of an ongoing issue like the last week or so, and then just other things that are kind of in the works right now. So I started adding support for Yama format and then also support for like additional functionality, so being able to see like what would be installed before it's actually installed.

D

But a lot of that was kind of put on hold when just until we kind of I kind of figured out some of the dependency resolutions and stuff so be kind of picking that back up so yeah. That's basically where I'm at right now.

A

Thanks any question from the group that sounds like wonderful progress.

D

Yeah I, don't think I have any questions. I, don't know. I'm gonna see what issues Alex was running into there's the latest issues that he was running into yeah. My next steps are hopefully once I get everything working a little bit better um will be just submit like a PR to actually include it in darker, but yeah I'm, just gonna be working through. Hopefully this last issue before that happens.

A

When that's in the place, reconsider is in the Jenkins docker image so that you would replace install plugins, not Sh yeah, they are or supersede.

A

Nice very nice.

A

So since alex is not not with us yet I propose we defer this one for the moment, I'm gonna drop it below in case he's able to join us Oleg. Did you want to click on the next topic relief? You really impressed.

C

Parris yeah, that's Creek, so basically I presented the misdeed two weeks ago, since so that nothing really changed except adoption. So we have 241 repositories by this time, so we still less than 2% of foraging it's a repository so at all, but yeah we got some adoptions like kubernetes, plugin, etc. So, basically this story gets adopted and they haven't. They even published a blog post for that year.

C

So yeah I think we are getting good progress. Everything is in place. I also integrated the change here, Jane Scott, so we will have J instead of forging a score which would be drafting initial Yammer for months it will be available only for Jenkins project team members, at least for now.

C

Unfortunately, github doesn't have a mission switch with our code to make it public. Otherwise we would have said that hey. There is a address change log for the incoming 3ds, but still.

A

We get something, and so so could you remind me on Jenkins core? It's actually not writing. It's writing something different than it's writing elsewhere.

B

I think they are choosing a y-yeah control, what it writes just a second town.

C

Yeah I'm, just sorry, I'm just lost in google book.

C

Yeah, you can open the portal quest, they referenced.

C

Basically, its llamo draft, so it's not a text format. It's a format. We use for weekly on Beijing to sell your website, I'm, not sure so. Four users make the markdown format like we use for the repository. She is hopeful, but here we just definitional generation and yay. It's still not something we can use automation, flows, the sample time type, isn't defined and I mean it generation of things. If there is more than one, but at least we got something you're.

A

Right, because today this is this is being generated interactively by daniel becquer you each week, writer and each time we do an LTS, so this at least could reduce the effort for the give you a starting point. Instead of that interactive work, yeah.

C

That's the baby.

A

Thank you thanks very much that is so encouraging great. Thank you all right. Next topic are ready to go onto next topic. Only the JDK tool, yep.

C

mmm So, basically, it's a quick update and maybe all the different discussions for GDQ from sick meetings when we were from Jove 11, so yeah, basically in Jenkins that are too abstraction layers tool, installation which she defines how they really, for example, mark has a heat tool, installation defined plug-in, but the tool installation doesn't define how the tool is installed for installation. There is another extension point called tool, installer and directly.

C

This extension points it used to be confused a lot and okay, if you take a look at GDP tube, some people think that it's actually installation, but it's not it's only tool installer, which actually does install GDK from Oracle website, so basically installed Oracle SC development heat, so it's not even open leaking and taking the recent changes in licensing.

C

Obviously, it's less demo because yeah from our one-stop we introduced the GDP 11 they you would need to accept in your Oracle license and our problem that current, so many huge IT people plug in you exclusively accept the license and then yep. If you accept the license to just accept it, unfortunately Oracle website doesn't require you to be accept. This license because that's how the plug-in works. So it's a problem and basically now the plug-in is start this job I eat and even with Java 8.

C

There is a lot of confusion, because it's both GD key to plugin its installed on almost of the Jenkins yeah. What they tell is listed in the develop at least thread which is linked above so yeah. If you want to go a bit more context, so I stopped in this threatened order to discuss what we actually want to do with this plug-in and my proposal just to remain the plug-in to make the naming explicit so with one be GD P 2, it will be Oracle, GDK installer.

C

It will be still installed on almost every Jenkins instance, because in order to prevent that we need to fix imitation dependences, but we can deployment what the plug-in actually means, and we can add administrative warnings for to install that and other things and later, when a plugins move to a new version is for baselines. We can slowly duplicated. So, basically, that's my proposal had a couple of variations in his deployment ation and as option for discussion.

C

If you want support age of 11 I in this Oracle see in such case, we can create a new major release to the zero, which would be a breaking change because usually requests people to explicitly address depth at the license, but yeah it can enable at least begin for someone who really wants to use it.

A

And accepting the new license terms means that they are saying they have they've complied with Oracle's commercial terms. Ok, great.

C

Basically, what I want to say that, as long as it's not a Jenkins projects problem, we are fine with it. If a customer has Oracle license or open JDK or Java C, ok, they can use it. So we don't want to move this plug-in entirely, but you had the problem that this plug-in is a partial Jenkins. For before that we had some discussions, maybe tophi.

C

The months ago there was continued turtle actually proposed to change, to traveler how your phaser infrastructure part, which pulse massage tools on the infrastructure and basically, after the discussion he created, adopt open EDD, keep again, which it does exactly like agility plugin, but for the open JDK.

C

There are also numerous other ways to use Java and the jinks community I meant neither DD key to adopt operation icky tool because he, you would rather install a gel in doctor or your install it on your infrastructure, because, if you download at all from external site 3d and always go down dependent of what you do pretty much the same for mailing to pretty much the same Polly to if you download it from external location, it's better not to do it right.

A

Okay and that that now I think I'm starting to understand your your clarification earlier, that there's the notion of a tool, installation, abstraction layer and a truly installer extension point right, I don't have to I. Don't have to use that specific installer I can, in fact install from a zip file, hosted on my on my own local network, on my Jenkins file on my Jenkins environment or somewhere else, yeah exactly.

C

So JD tool yeah, it won't respond installer, which used to install functions on a java chrome. Now it installs from Oracle, but you can use core features and GD key tool. Installation is a part of gentle spot at the moment, and there are is a lot of plugins, for example, that is custom tools, plug-in extra tools, toddlers etcetera, which offer even more to install apps, which can be used custom to plug in probably not the best example for that, but yeah extra $2.00 does a bad job.

C

For example, if you want to install plugins from Arad alter instead of easy, apparently it's a separate thing: yeah, whatever.

A

Great all right, thank you. Any questions from the group all right with regard to JDK tool.

A

Okay, thank you. Oh, like thanks. Very much and I see that Alex has joined Alex. We have a topic for Windows installer status. Is there anything you'd like to share with us.

A

Having having difficulty hearing you Alex.

E

Is that better, yes, okay, I was just apologizing for being late at for some reason, the or the zoom Lincoln come through on get her for me. So the only update I have is I, don't know if anybody knows of contacts at CDF or.

E

Information about like requesting code signing certificates because that's kind of what's holding us up at this point old, is working on trusted CI for the Installer. So it's really just the code signing that would need to be in place in order to do an actual release with the new installer.

C

Yeah, basically, what is the best contact? Probably she knows the status of alleviates work, because yeah, that is, automation putting his quote by Olivier, also hit quite for salmon and yeah. Basically, it was a big key problem to resolve in this automation. So maybe they have a decision how to resolve that.

C

Yeah as a pawn B, of course, we can ask Kiki reason: tool. Installer I took Watson it's locally.

E

Right yeah, it seems kind of fishy to have a manual process to release Jenkins yeah yeah.

A

Okay and we've been working for a long time, I'm trying to improve that one, so good anything else, Alex or any questions from the group for Alex.

B

Not for me, alright.

A

That concludes the topics that were on our agenda. Anything else that needs to be covered.

A

C

Won't, oh right! Jenkins world, yes, go ahead! Yeah. Do we have any specific plans for community booze? You said it's. The platform seek so.

A

I, so I will certainly be in the booth and I'm I've got a lightning talk that I'll be doing on faster, get so we'll we'll be there physic, but I'm, not aware of anything specific. If you have any suggestions well,.

C

We could totally support encouraging spots on our topic. I mean immediately mr. lost yeah. I mean we took. That is mark basically mark people just repeated if the results and becoming in tables because well content, debate, meeting it some update, but I could do that, not supporting which have a lot on supporting platforms right right yep.

C

Basically, it was a overview of activity. Since it was Java Java support. It was what else look at packaging and other things right.

A

Yeah exactly Alex: are you going to be a Jenkins world this year, I.

E

I, it was not approved by my management, so I will not be there I'm. Sorry to hear that where I would have liked that it was a pleasure to see you last year there it was fun to be there. I wish I could be there this year.

C

Maybe's monk I.

A

Have to confess a flight to Lisbon is cheaper still than a flight to a flight to Alaska.

C

Yeah, it's likely that they also mr. Jenkins fault. That's all I am asking, but if we have other presenters who talk about things platforms support, maybe we could facilitate some discussion or maybe even a blog post about it. I know I'm, not sure. What's in the agenda.

A

Well, I think how about if we put the action on me, I've gotta talk to the Jenkins world organisers to do ELISA and others. Let's put that on me, Oh like I'll, be there and if they don't already have finalized I know that the g-shock participants have got plans for that for the community booth. Let me see if they've got time in it and if so, let's let's put that in so let me put that as an action item for me.

C

So basically they put in G. So you have a lightning talk and shown to be really like a poster and other things have people present at the boots and the hopefully we'll have a demo by Natasha there and maybe by the mentors who come to the conference so still work-in-progress. By telling you that we can assemble a good agenda.

C

Great excellent, thank you so yeah.

C

In the agenda for lightning talk, yeah at least we get additional topic. Sorry I missed that. What is the additional topic so like in top by Natasha, all right, great.

A

C

We need to go some final confirmations, but I think it's everything isn't right. Another chef has somebody reached out to you.

D

Kristin I also briefly talked about it yesterday, but nobody is really like officially confirmed anything or if there's any additional things besides like sending like the abstract, I told my talk, nobody else, just like really reached out to me to get anything else. Besides that, okay.

C

So it was Kristin yeah.

F

Sure do you want I can talk to you, I think Tracy was the one who was reporting all that so or was it Alissa? Oh.

C

A

Yeah I think that's it then anything else.

C

Nothing specific, so next meeting will be just on almost first August second August first, so I will likely miss of it and that's what making, which probably it makes no sense right.

A

We will we will cancel the week of Jenkins world there's I'm not available and I I suspect many other contributors are not available. I guess Alex. If you're not going to be there and like, if you're not going to be there, do the two of you want to do a platform stick meeting during the week of Jenkins world. All of you all of you think it's both right. Okay,.

E

I, my kids start school, so I I will not be able to attend at this time. Starring, okay, which.

A

Lobbies, it's a good excuse for us to look for. Do we want to switch to an alternative time? Do we that's great, so we'll take a break at a Jenkins world and reconvene two weeks thereafter sounds good hundred. Is me alright thanks everybody end of end of the meeting thanks very much and I will turn off.