Jenkins User Experience Special Interest Group, 26 May 2021

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Jenkins user experience SIG meeting with topics including pull request status portlet by Simon Symhoven, Bootstrap 5 migration progress from Ulli Hafner, Jenkins user experience improvement ideas for discussion with open source design, and suggestions for the UX SIG logo. Also briefly discussed that Damien Duportal will replace Mark Waite as scribe of the meeting

A

uh Welcome to the jenkins user experience special interest group: it's may the 26th a reminder that we abide by the jenkins go to conduct.

A

So, let's work through the agenda so julia, you noted status of the student project for pull, request, viewing and you've added bootstrap five inside e-charts any other top. Oh, oh, let's see- and I would like to put one on a replacement for mark, wait as scribe. Slash meeting launcher.

A

Okay, any other topics we need to put on the list.

B

Yeah, I would put a one um so collaboration with opera open source design.

B

Well, we can discuss it. Your topic mark.

A

So, like did I capture that well enough.

B

A

B

Yeah, just second, they struggle with finding their right meeting. Google dogs yeah the ux, still references the old dock in the calendar, so I reported it last week, but it hasn't.

A

Been updated, you're correct. That is the document that I can't edit. So yes, I need to fix that. Let me I've. I think my past attempts to fix it in that google account in the calendar. Entry have all failed. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but it just can. I fix it for you, but please send millions, because I don't know where you bet. Yes, here's the link I'll just paste it into the chat for uh here's that.

A

Thank you thanks. Sorry about that. I tried to fix it last week and was unable okay.

A

So any any other topics we need to add to the.

A

Agenda, okay, then, let's take on first topic, uli and status of the student project.

C

Okay, we are currently implementing the first portlets, so the student already provided a pull request for my warnings, plugin and a pull request for the code coverage. Api plugin, the or both portals are not yet ready, but they are already in review process.

C

So I think in one of the next meetings we can present them in a demo again here and currently I yeah. I can present a pull request. I'm not sure if that makes sense, so I think it would be much nicer if we can see them in the real system.

C

So if that's fine for you, uh just the heads up that we are working on the portlets and we need some more time to finish them to integrate them into some plugins and it takes two or in four weeks we are ready to present again the portlets in the running.

C

System and simon already started a topic in the developer mailing list to gather some feedback from others, but I think we will obtain the most feedback if we deploy it in a jenkins instance, as alex suggested already.

C

So maybe it takes only some time until we get some more feedback.

C

So are there any questions on this topic.

D

Not for me when.

B

D

When you say deployment on a jenkins instance, is it on one that you or your students are managing or something else.

C

Actually, the demo could be done on one of our instances. Yes, of course, but uh I think oleg mentioned that we can deploy it to our ci dot jenkins yeah. If it's stable enough, so one can see the results there.

D

D

Don't hesitate to to mention it if I can help on that topic as part of the jenkins, infra team or timia, don't hesitate to mention us and, uh and at least just let us know so if there is any, uh let's say, instability that was not forcing that that can happen. That's not a problem. It's just important that we share the info. So now I have it. I will share it inside the team as well. Don't hesitate to tell us if, uh if you need anything on that topic, we will learn.

A

Okay, great, thank you thanks very much. So um that sounds very promising. So simon simon's work, you said was in warnings ng and in code coverage. Both those, I believe, are installed on ci.jenkins., so it would just be an upgrade of those plug-ins and we would get his capability. I assume the plan would be to release the the capability in a general availability release of the plugins. Is that correct yeah? That's the plan yeah.

A

So then, then we would get that get that automatically that's great or we would get that as a result of upgrading the plugins.

C

Wonderful well, the only thing which is not yet available is the port, the dashboard plugin, which we need to install as something that as a so the plugin that is showing all the results. uh This is not yet installed, but the warning.

D

Plugin installed.

C

The code coverage plugin is installed, the forensics api is installed, so everything else is there, but the view is not there. So.

B

Speaking of better, where do we stand for cc agent inside your s code, because once we have it fully automated, we would be able to quickly experiment, maybe even two different preview environments.

B

If we go all in. I know that diamond was looking on that, but I'm not sure. What's the background.

D

Status, so I'm currently, as for today, writing an email to start the discussion on the information lists to explain the plan.

D

The idea, what we discussed first privately for a good reason, is that it was just brainstorming so now we're switching the brainstorming and writing the plan publicly the status is we want to focus on managing only the agent as god for now. The reason is because if we start to do a big bang update from the currents that use for the that instance configuration to full configures code, that will be a nightmare and breaking we want to do first, tiny, iterations that we deliver, which means to answer the topic here.

D

The plugin management, as code is not forcing for now uh at least not for the upcoming three weeks, because that will be too much work on one side. We first want to have something and the agent what is the proposed priority? However, that's a proposed plan that can be changed, so don't hesitate to raise your voice following my email later today,.

D

That means manual and install and uninstall to put things uh clearly.

B

Yes, the problem is that, with manual install, the problem is evaluating because these plugins need configuration rightfully.

B

Well, they are configured in the user profiles at the moment, so any locked in the user can do something.

D

You anticipate my next question but yeah. That's the point. We will have to define um yeah, that's not the topic right now, but we will have to discuss before installation. Where is the plugin storing its configuration on the file system? So we are sure that in any case we can know what is happening and how to roll back if needed.

C

Currently, it's only stored in the browser.

C

D

C

I don't know, forget it, sorry that was our first plan, but in the last meeting uh I think tim suggested that we store it in the user profile in the jenkins user profile. So it's now in the janka user profile user profiles.

B

Can be technically managed, as code practically some almost impossible to manage the ms code from jcask plugin.

C

B

So what it means that any user would have to basically manually go to the profile page and configure it. So that's why I was bringing up whether we could have defaults or whether we could have views because, for example, you can imagine that there is a view like the dashboard view, plugin and yeah there. You can just put some default layouts default reports so that any user visiting this page can go this. Let's say analytics tab or well.

B

You know that they are saying dangerous words, but here, for example, not analytics, but yeah, so just a view which can be configured and yeah whatever so well. I am just creating ideas, and probably I should do that in github issues, but yeah thanks for hearing me out.

C

Yeah, I think we need to spend some more thoughts on this configuration, especially for such a big instance as our instant okay. Any other questions here.

A

All right so that one really the the status of ci jenkins, I configuration as code, was really sort of a part of the discussion around that okay got it next topic, then the new version of the echarts plugin.

C

This version still is in progress, but I already showed last week or last for two weeks ago um that I'm trying to make the trend charts configurable. So maybe I can share my screen.

C

I can't share it mark. Can you give me the rights? Okay?

C

Okay, now it's going.

C

So so what we currently have on the top page here is uh the trend, charts and currently the trend charts are just for starting from the top and going down yeah. There are a lot of trend shots here, because this is my demonstration instance. Normally you don't have so many trend charts.

C

So um up to now, these trend charts are not configurable. That means all what you see is uh hard coded somewhere in in the server side and what I now, what are what I am now adding is a configuration button for all of these trend, charts. That means, for instance, here the forensics trend.

C

Where you can see the commits in there, you can have a trend chart that shows the orders, the commits modified files, and then we have here a configuration button, and if you press this button, you now get a configuration dialog and in this dialog you can, for instance, change the chart type. This is something that a plugin must support. Of course, but here my plugin can show up to four different trend: charts.

C

For instance, I can show the total number of files in my project and then you can say: okay, how many bills you would like to consider to show and yeah how many days you want to look into the past and then you can save this dialogue and then the trend chart here immediately changes and you see a new trend chart with some new options.

C

I integrated this kind of configuration for the forensics plugin for the warnings plug-in so, for instance, in the warnings plug-in you can configure also some different trend charts. You can see the new and fixed issues, for instance, if you are clicking this and say okay, let's say I want to see the last 25 bills in my trend chart and you save.

C

Then you see not the totals anymore. You see the number of new warnings and the number of fixed warnings, so this is maybe somehow useful for teams to show different trend charts for different plugins.

C

So of course the configuration requires that a plug-in offers different trend charts, but using the e-charts library. These trend charts are really easy to implement.

C

So, for instance, tim already created the test result trend chart also with e charts, and here you also can configure the trend chart. Currently we have no different trend, charts just one trend chart, but at least you can now change the number of bills you would like to see in it, for instance, so this is something I'm currently adding in the e-charts plugin it's running with bootstrap 5. So all these trends are rendered on the client side only, but there is no connection to the server currently and yeah.

C

This is something which I want to even extend so, for instance, that we can create a different sizes of the charts etc, and in the end maybe we can also use this dashboard where we can drag and drop those trend charts. But this is something yeah which needs some further exploration.

C

So this is my plan currently for the e-charts plugin and one thing which I would like to have a little bit. Feedback is about the configuration so currently the configuration of that such a trend chart is split into two different parts. The first part is some plug-in specific part.

C

For instance, here you can choose which trend chart you would like to show, and then we have some kind of let's say general configuration where you see if the domain access should be a build number or if we should show days or if we should consider- maybe you know, let's say 20 bills or how many days we should look into the past and I'm wondering if I should make the general configuration global for all charts.

C

That means, if I change it here, then all other charts will be updated as well or if it makes more sense to have a configuration per chart. So this is something I'm hoping to get a little bit feedback in the next weeks to see in which direction I should implement.

C

It so any questions on this new idea here on the.

A

Job page, I think it looks great, I'm not sure where you would place the control for a global setting. So for me just the placement on the ui lobbies for uh keep it local to each chart. But but that's I guess a design thing and I am not a designer.

C

Yeah, currently you see when you open the dialog, you have it in every dialog in the lower part, and one question is: if I change a value here it it changes only currently one chart, and the question is if it should change the other charts as well.

C

So I think it would make sense because from the meaning of the parameters from the width or from the number of bills, it would. I think it would make sense to have it the same value for every trend chart, but I'm not really sure.

B

Other tools like grafana works, work exactly like that by default, so it makes sense to follow this behavior and yeah. Whoever wants analytics, they will likely want to just eventually have various ui controls like you, can just select a time frame, etc on the chart and then zoom in so if you're familiar with graphing ux yeah. Eventually, we could have something similar, well, no hope, but yeah, maybe.

B

More navigation ui for analytics reports.

B

I think that we can just learn from the best and follow the example.

C

Okay, okay, so what I also thought about is currently you have the configure button for every chart and maybe it would make sense to have some kind of yeah. This dialogue is a little bit old school here. uh One button that configures the whole dialog here, for instance, which trend charts, should be shown on a user basis or how is the order of the chain charts and things like that?

C

This would make sense, in my opinion, as well.

C

So currently, this is hard coded on the jenkins side, but maybe I'm not really interested in the last successful artifact. So I want to hide it as a user, and I want to show these trends charts on the left and on the right.

C

So this would be possible with the same uh dashboard view kind which is simon proposing so maybe yeah. We can try to use such a framework as well here on that page, and then we need a global configuration where we can add portlets on this page, etc.

C

If that makes sense, I don't know.

A

Yeah, I think that makes sense to me that sounds wonderful.

D

Make sense not still not sure that that could be a wider topic. Maybe don't just need to ask over a mailing list also to have feedbacks.

D

I mean that that means a wider audience.

A

D

Side to be quite transparent, I'm not really at ease by using metrics inside jenkins ui. I've turned to avoid as much as possible to go to the jenkins ui. So I don't have any use case that could help here on my site to retake decisions. So I'm sorry, I cannot help, but I think a lot of users are doing and have the same need as the one you have so that that's. Why widening that question could be really interesting and get you valuable feedback.

A

Yeah, absolutely I'm a I'm, a heavy user of of metrics inside jenkins, so yeah. I I think there are a number like me who are using the the metrics and the the warnings and the code coverage api views.

C

Yeah, I think it's the best thing to release a small iteration and and let the users talk about the feature and then we will see how we can improve it.

C

Okay, so if there are no other questions, I think we can continue with the next topic. Okay, then I stop sharing again.

A

A

Next was next: topic was from oleg feedback on using jenkins funds.

B

uh Yeah so well, I am trying to somehow you know: keep whatever twitter community excited and post various things, sometimes questionable things from time to time and yeah. I encourage everyone to do the same so that we can repost more people from the jenkins account, but yeah. One thing I raised is actually about using funds, because we have some funds in all effects. Crowdfunding you see other threats and the developers may increase and yeah just ask them public cookies. So how who should you spend them? And your kids to the answer and design ux improvements?

B

Fifty percent from forty five four votes again: don't consider it as a kind of official polling, result or official decision, but well it's a curiousity to get anyway, um so yeah, what I'm bringing up to the team that uh yeah? Actually, if you have any ideas in mind, we have for things like lfx crowdfunding, lfx mentorship, so we can find either official paid, mentorship or official unpaid mentorship um yeah.

B

You have an opportunity to define our programs because self-effects mentorship is, let's say, google summer, of course, as a service to some extent so yeah we can organize special events and so, for example, maybe food is uh if there are some programs you would like to run. You can do it through this program and yeah money is something we can discuss and yeah. I have another topic below, which is also related to money and outreach. So you can proceed unless the recommends, but yeah highlight yeah ux design. Improvements is highly ranked like.

B

I would surprise anyone by telling someone about jenkins, but we have money and we use some of them for these activities.

B

A

I think that that matches my hopes, so I, like that, a lot thanks for doing the poll. What a great way to ask the question.

C

Yeah, this is a good idea if we need some designers, for instance, for icons or something like that.

C

This would be really a good idea to have someone paid for it to draw it because as a developer, normally it's not so easy to create a good looking icon, for instance,.

A

So oleg you had the next topic as well on collaboration with open source design, yeah.

B

So, a few weeks ago, like we discussed the governance meeting, I was invited to join open source design, nice student committee meeting so well. It was a group of 10 people, use different backgrounds, etc, but open source design is a well-known initiative, focusing on open source design, specifically on user experience, artwork design work, they have multiple tracks. One of them is related, just on obviously proper design, best practices more important.

B

They have a listing of projects, so I added the link below so they have a list of projects which are specifically focused on user experience, design and well yeah. I'm planning the official welcome from the jenkins project, but I think it would be nice to just have us listed there uh as ux seek.

B

Maybe it will allow to bring some contributions, uh maybe not, but it definitely doesn't hurt to be listed there, and you also, I was thinking about adding some ideas to the jenkins to the job sport. So if you go to open design jobs to the link, you can see that there are multiple types of ideas, including ones which I just brought.

B

Yes, so basically feel free to contribute and we will update that send some schwag, for example, and that is also, but you need to pay to put the paid ideas, so the gov that paid ideas are supposed to be well largely paid. So let's say some bonus like 50 dollars so 100.

B

What do they consider paid so for that? They offered me to send a message to the discourse about how it would be posted, because they would be also interested in this small bonuses, so pretty much like freedom, sponsors and other things uh work, uh um but yeah at the moment. uh They don't have uh approach for that. But you know what I am thinking about it if you have some ideas, for example, and we still get to create the junkies through logo and they may have a few other requests.

B

So we are invited to post these opportunities on this board. There are some people visiting them. They are also reporting opportunities in the social media so directly. It would help to find someone.

A

The idea is, we would we would post this jobs board here is actually for tasks that might be done or bigger picture things. It's not just for so design. A logo looks very much a task and whereas design contributors is looking for people, so both those are allowed here and now you said that and we could fund so there's a paid option as well that we could. We could use then to incent yeah.

B

But well, it depends on what exactly we do. So it's not like. We can throw money in there. We do not have much money, but we have some. So we could put them to use.

B

And yeah, basically how it would work here. You can just use this job board. You could just maybe create a separate repository for issues or use jenkins. Iowa's artwork label like we do now, so that we could also promote it on our site but yeah. I believe that we could come up with so many ideas there, but you just need people to write them down.

B

Actually, it's actually a google form, but once you submit a google form, they have magic which converts a google form to pull requests and well, I'm curious to know more about this magic because it would be useful for some jenkins use cases but yeah. Basically, you can also submit a pull request against their website directly.

B

This is all this information. It's not documented, but yeah. They confirm that it's possible.

A

Excellent, so it's and that google form is this button yeah, so yeah well,.

B

Maybe it's not even a google form but yeah. They have this form, you fill it in and then once you create that magic happens and there is a full request submitted.

A

Nice elegant, that's really elegant, okay,.

B

Yeah, it could be a good implementation for some of our use cases in theory yeah. Maybe it could be some combination of github actions, so it could be other kind of automation like integration without chatbot. I don't know, but it's definitely possible to create something like that and for some use cases it might be useful.

A

That yeah, that looks really so so the next steps, then, would be uh form, submits, pull requests.

A

Sorry go ahead and like next steps.

B

Our next steps, basically what I encourage you to do if you have any ideas, etc. I already started the google doc, where I basically put a brain dump of ideas where you could use artwork, for example, yeah, like jenkins through log logo type for the contributor summit in june, the ship has sailed, but in principle have been good to have logger or, for example, I put id or of a special logo for different client plugin. So id is like that then yeah. If you have something in mind, so I can do that.

B

I mentioned that even for git plugin for jenkins, you might use the logo. Why not so yeah? If you have such ideas, if you can formalize them, maybe then maybe somehow have this brain dump and then convert them to ideas and post them. So the next meeting is on the next week. I intend to send introduction from myself to the discourse and also intent post some jobs requests.

B

This with my action from the previous meeting. Yeah meeting is monthly, so yeah by the end of the month. It makes sense to actually do action items. So, let's see no guarantees at all, but yeah just shrink the context.

A

So and that that document could we link to that.

B

I haven't published it: oh okay got it: okay,.

A

B

A

Someone is willing.

B

To contribute, I can make it public if nobody is interested in yeah. It's a separate story got it thanks.

B

So yeah. Maybe it's a question for me because yeah, I should definitely send a summary to the mailing list, maybe even to the developer managers with meditation for others to contribute, but yeah right now. That's what we have.

A

Okay, excellent. Thank you anything else.

B

um On open source design, I don't think so, so we also shed some expertise in terms of organizing events and because they're actually looking into what they could do with their budgets and how they could put, because they have small budget based on donations and yeah. They are wondering how they could use definition here.

B

So yeah we shared some experiences, maybe eventually we could do a joint event, but yeah it's rather unwavering at this point and yeah, I'm not sure whether we'll have bandwidth to do that. But then technically technically it's reasonable.

A

So and when you say a combined event, it might be something like a open source design event focused on the jenkins project or whatever.

B

Well, we already had a ux hackathon was a game with some offerings to work on design, but yeah. We didn't have much traction for this activity, but we, if you engage with a fico, I mean like open source design. I think it could be a win-win, especially if you provide quite a diverse set of tasks and not drawing 100 versions of jenkins for meetups, so yeah, you can go out of the box like sending requests for icons, because we have iconography the work depending on the project uh so unfortunately on there.

B

So such requests could be definitely done, for example, plugin logo types etc, which could be again a bit more.

B

B

So, for example, for tipton I offered that we used sticks on puppy, but dressed like a bucket in picton colors. It might be completely terrible, I don't know- or another idea in my brain was: do I just have jenkins logo but yeah again you stick to the puppy. Not a texan pack on a plate, of course would suggest something different, but yeah, maybe a new type of vlogger but yeah. So yeah things like that and yeah. If you you're interested and want to get creative, I think meant a lot of.

A

Excellent, thank you.

A

Okay, let's see you had mentioned ux sig logo. um Do you want to well next on the agenda was me replacement for me. Is scribe and meeting launcher, so um I'm donating a kidney uh beginning. The surgery is june 9. So our next meeting I won't be available.

A

Do we have a volunteer.

D

Yep, I'm volunteering to take over the next one.

A

Okay, excellent and given that volunteer, thank you very much. I will send the request to the advocacy and outreach sig uh to request permission request permission for the cdf jenkins zoom account to damien any objections.

A

All right damian, you are, you are you're chosen by acclimation. Congratulations.

D

Nice, I will just double check the just the task list. To be sure, I don't forget anything. That means that I have to to start the call to take the notes drive the the call itself is there. Are there other tasks that are expected that I should take over that.

A

So oleg would we expect that he would upload the the recording to youtube, or is that something that would be a different permission? Do we need? Is that something someone else would do? Well there.

B

Are multiple options because one of the things you can just record to the cloud um and then somebody can repost that or you can yeah you're gonna get youtube permissions. uh There is jeff 13 documenting how to get youtube permissions, but we are quite relaxed. We already have something: 14 content managers, so um I'm still here to update the job based on the recent people in these monetization policy changes, but yeah it's documented. So please refer to 13 and there is a process explaining how to get youtube permissions. If you want.

D

B

B

D

I'm currently checking the g13 and adding the link.

D

D

D

Oh, does that mean that I need a youtube account or.

A

Something, uh I think you just need your gmail account. I believe you have a gmail address.

D

Yeah, okay, I might need to create a new one, then only for that, because I don't want to have a personal account on youtube. So.

B

Okay, I will take care of creating.

D

One yeah I'm one of those annoying persons.

A

Yeah good for you, that's great, okay, not it!

A

Okay, all right! Oleg last topic, ux sig logo,.

B

Yeah, so I'm just reviving old logo. Sorry old topic, because the current situation, if you go to a ufc page and if you try to post it on twitter and whatever you get this icon of two persons- and it looks pretty bad, especially in open graph.

B

So yeah, my question to the team is yeah. Originally we discussed for the uh we would like to have another logo. Job uh brookie has created some prototypes um generally hard to have let's create, but we have never selected anything. So I just bring it up to the team, especially open, source design, etc. Is that maybe it's time to actually have something as a logo or maybe in the worst case, it's possible to just get something like, let's say uh well jenkins, margaret as a logo or the local oslo jenkins meetup.

B

Please do not google that but yeah putting it as ux logo would be hilarious.

B

I mean yeah. Well, it belongs to memkins, but in general I would be happy to see that so yeah, I'm just bringing this question. So if somebody drives that, maybe we could find this take it east a longer, even if it's existing image, because it's better than the current situation, when you have no one, that's uxc.

A

And could you I missed what what you had said? Well, what does it currently look like it's a it's something yeah.

B

You have a so you go to the exec, so there is a square lock resolution a lot of two persons, so it goes to open graph as well and well square logos. Don't look well enough in graph at all and especially low resolution. So when you link this page, for example, if you're so what I do in twitter, if you can start approaching this user experience, ui feel free to contribute. We have user experience, page link and then this logo comes right into this tweet.

B

So yeah, that's my key just why I want this logo to be replaced, because if you want to unbox contributors yeah, they think it doesn't really help and it would be quick.

A

Yeah, so it it could be to reuse. It could be any one of these kinds of logos here in the artwork. That would certainly be better than that low resolution square image. I think I understand what you're saying now this this image as an open graph image is looks really poor.

D

Do you mind guiding us on how to see? I have no idea what open graph is to be quite honest, so I've just opened open graph page on google right now. They have no idea what it's about, but is.

B

D

To show it here in the recording.

B

I'll show you an example just a second, uh not not this screenshot right now.

A

Yeah, so I was going to show you so I open the the page and I look for og colon uh annotations and there's this one og colon image, and this shows me the page that is used for it. So if I open that.

A

It should show us the oops, except I don't want to see the source.

A

So when I do that it shows that's the an open graph. Is this standard that I think started with twitter or oleg? Did you want to share your screen to show it? uh No, I don't.

B

But uh I'll put a link just a second so that you can share it. Okay, great! Yes, sorry for exploiting you but yeah! I have some sensitive documents so open up now, and I don't want to forget.

A

Yeah that'd be great.

B

B

Okay, so how we do it at the moment in, for example, meetups, etc. So we have a google doc.

B

If you open uh the agenda, I put the link there.

A

Oh, you put it in the agenda. Okay, sorry thanks. Yeah.

B

So then yeah you can see um yeah it's. Basically our dump presentation, which is slight quickly growing a bit too big. So basically, open graphs are standard, size images, these standard, size images slightly depend on what you use, but it's basically 16 to 9, usually and yeah. Here we have just long google slides where you put all the meet up open graphs, open up.

B

Good thing about that, why I use google slides well, actually you can just create image, png or whatever in any editor, but here you can create the image in google slides and then download a particular file. Then png and you get it automatically.

B

So that's why I use that. So basically, these are the images and if your bigger page has metadata linked twitter, etc, they show this image by default.

D

Oh, that's the preview image stuff that we have sometimes okay, oh okay, I was failing to understand the consumption part. Okay, thanks.

B

Okay, yeah- and there is also description for pages, which is also goes through open graph uh metadata, which we also use for some pages, but yeah. The images are quite sensitive, especially for twitter, because yeah in twitter you either post a link and then open graph picks up and the entire image becomes a link or you can just attach the image. But in this case this image won't be hyperlinked.

B

So, yes, your tweaks apply, but it's better to use open graph.

D

B

Thanks, that's clear, yeah and yeah. I found the image I really want to our ux seek adopt and uh to use this image as long until our goal is achieved. Just second yeah this one.

B

So yep: well, it's rather a joke, but yeah. I would definitely put it as a logo. If I was a basic leader. Well maybe a critified version, but you know the painting.

A

That's a classic yes beautiful, okay,.

D

I vote for the for the http uh 500 errors on gen kids.

B

Or this way well, actually, I'm about to google asking somebody to create a more critified version, because this one just stop jenkins head on back page. So if somebody creates something, let's say more well integrated, I think it would be hilarious.

A

So I I don't recognize the image is this? Isn't the scream by? This is a different one. The scream.

B

Oh, it is okay, all right so yeah, because well the author was from oslo, so they decided that it would be a great log of oslo. I think this.

A

Meetup excellent, all right anything else on that topic.

A

Okay, any other topics we need to cover today.

A

All right, let's call an end for today, thanks very much I'll post the recording later today, so that it's available thanks. Everyone thanks bye, bye.