Jenkins User Experience Special Interest Group, 9 Dec 2020

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From YouTube: Jenkins UX SIG Meeting 9 December 2020

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A focused meeting in which we discussed changes which support SVG icons for iconography, the tables to divs transitiion and a number of open issues such as drag and drop.
There was also a recap of the debate about whether the next LTS release should be a 3.0 release rather than 2.xxx.

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Gender great so, let's starting uh hi everybody um welcome to the december 9 2020 edition of the ufc meeting. We are now officially more than one year old. uh We have been more like a year with this, so.

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Yeah, let's get right into it. So, first of all, um let's get some ux updates. It's been a while, since we we didn't have a few of those so tim and I have uh we got a new. A icon infrastructure merge, create a number team into jenkins.

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And some infrastructure infrastructure to into jenkins team results some technique of that there was so and now we can properly iterate into eight to two work on icons.

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So I've been in touch with amber rupert one of the big designers on the cloudy side for this, for this project and she's going to provide me with updated and animated versions of the icons of svg icons for the big status indicators, and so that we can have those and at least do a performance test or a proof of concept with those rather soon so we're very incredibly she's working on it. We're working on it and hopefully, as soon as I can, I will hand them off to you team. So you can.

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We can try it on your draft pr. um Maybe we can put a link to the draft pair here um or.

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You can drop it in the chats or straight into the nightstand I'll.

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Yeah, uh okay, so um and that's it for the video status icons, we need to do uh as james north suggested last week. We need to do a load test with all the usb animations. So the way we can do, svg animations for the improv status icons is going to be a bit tough, maybe a bit from html on performance. We need to actually know what's going on there right. um So let me mention any and also uh to find out about this topic. I would like a team.

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I have been identified that it's a very correctly fine granting, but it's a bit crazy right now. Jenkins has six in progress. I items for in progress status based on the so maybe we can that's something we can revisit.

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Looking at a page, what is it like, there's a page in jenkins io that shows you all of them and yeah. I was looking at them and thinking yeah, because yeah.

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The reason is that it uses injectors. The same icon is used to show the status of last build plus the in progress indicator. So, ideally, maybe we can do some future work into integrating those two, maybe we're gonna, add a last week column, but I I mean that would be for after we do some baking iconographic work.

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With this thing, yep yep.

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Okay, so this is for the status indicators. I know: let's talk about scope for the march release uh here, just uh we probably this is going to be. I think in the end, it's going to be how much we can get into the pr, but I think the real in the more realistic way. I think it would be to create a first iteration with build status, indicators and weather icons, because I think the other icons are too much and it can be a bit jarring.

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We didn't sort of mention these last last meetings, so if there was no further discussion- or maybe we don't have more information, yeah.

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Here's the link to the uh jenkins io page yeah,.

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I think the only thing knew from the last one was that I got that draft pr working with things like the slash manage page and, and it already worked on the um icons for the weather and all and the build status that all just worked.

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Yeah, it was just had to make some changes to manage because it was missing some of the compatibility ports that they um had been added elsewhere already.

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Can you can you maybe link the pr, so I can open it in the video.

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So this is the pr. Did you update the screenshots? Were you able to update the screenshots.

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No, I have an update of the screenshots. um I think I and did the group one as that group. One was a black one which wasn't wasn't themeable. um I think the rest, I'm might have left the same. I'm not sure.

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Thank you. I mean you made some changes. I haven't re-screenshotted something yeah.

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I yeah I made some changes here, so basically we're working on this we'll see what we managed to get done, um but we tried to get as much polish as something so can we move on to the next step, or do you want to have any hosting okay table studios? um Let's look over the status of this.

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These are the. There are many in progress items. There are not so many there are some of them that are, I think, are actually employees that are not marked as in progress. These are the ones we created and these are the tickets reported by the community. We have many many fixes in review. Thank you mostly what you think thank you, not so other ones not so much um but yeah so, but we are getting there and on topic on this topic, I thought maybe we could for the march release for the next lps.

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I think what we could we could use, having um entering the documentation page or at least a blog post, that would list plugins with known issues. So basically, if you have these plugins, you will have issues upgrading a list of logins and if you have these plans, you need to have these these minimum versions and that is, for example, french, api, 2c, 2.6.3 uh yeah. What a list of plugins and the versions that are compatible so that we can help people and that's documented somewhere. So.

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Yeah, I think, definitely agree it's probably worth well. I don't know because a lot of that's just you before upgrading to the next lts, you need to update all your plugins.

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We could certainly list ones that had issues but there's also a whole bunch of um the spring security upgrade and extreme upgrade also requires that a lot of plug-ins be updated um for it to work. So I'm not sure if there's any huge benefit in listing exact, fixed versions.

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um Possibly it's worth an entry of update your plugins, but I think the list is just going to be so long that it's just you need to um update all your plugins.

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Ideally, we will have fixed most of the plugins by the time the next lts is out, so I wouldn't think too much about it. Yet if there are still ones outstanding, we should publish a list of plugins that don't have fixes, and if there is progress open, then we can link to pre-release versions that can be used.

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Yeah, that can be a good idea so, um but there will be. There will also be the case that there can be a way of checking our problem. For example, branch api update with huge plug-in huge plug-in with this and tells us the ui to break noticeably to say something, but the version, the the version with the fixes is not compatible with the previous lds right with the 263 line.

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So it can be a case of you need to upgrade the plugins then upgrade jenkins and then upgrade plugins again.

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Yeah the same case, though, with um spring security, I think too a little bit. I think most of the security stuff got staged in a way which published the last compatible version, but then you'll find that they'll there's one there's cases where, um as soon as you upgrade there'll be there'll, be new versions for it available.

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Yeah, but probably should go into the upgrade notes that upgrade all plugins before you upgrade upgrade upgrade all plugins again.

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Well, I think, that's inevitable. So are these plugins backwards compatible, so somebody can go and upgrade all their plugins before they do the actual upgrade or.

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Some of them are too complicated and some of the maintainers just move them just because they don't want to have to deal.

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With so, we recommend what so step one upgrade all plug-ins.

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Well, it's a whole. It's a whole upgrade.

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Wouldn't worry too much.

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About it now upgrade all plugins again yeah.

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Yeah we can, we can ask mark, wait uh for whether maybe he has.

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But yeah we should definitely start alerting the community earlier right. I mean it's probably good that they hear this message twice rather than just you know in some small letters in our release notes. You know.

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Well, it goes into the lts upgrade notes or upgrade guide, um it's quite standard for anything, there's any breaking or changes with who might have to make changes, um but I think it's it's too far away to be concerned about it right now. It's like three and a half months, and in that time I would hope three.

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And a half months.

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It was like the first.

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Well, it's much, but it's.

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Probably going to be end of february so but yeah three and a half months.

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That's like two and a half months, then.

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Yeah yeah yeah, so.

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We still got some time, but not too much. Okay,.

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Yeah, it's enough time to hopefully get a number of put them fixed, and then we don't have it's less to be published.

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Okay, um yeah so to move on to another topic, the last topic so and based on james north's comments. Last week he opened a thread on the mailing list. uh I will try to finish later, dig it out and put it on the agenda regarding whether I'm.

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Major version I wanted to maybe reflect on that mainly thread because, maybe tim, I I'm dumping this on you, because I think there was uh there was no consensus to bump it to a major version, but there were some earlier consensus that we should change the version format to more of a dearly month year month number or something like that. Can you can you please elaborate on this.

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Yeah I've been monitoring it um just waiting for more consensus. Is there a link to the mailing list.

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Thing that I can just drop in this agenda.

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I will drop it after.

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The main problem with the month we model is: how does the lts version fit into that?

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um Because it's not um because the lts version is based off a cut of a weekly version, um so you you do like 20 20 12, um but it's not actually released till 2021 toe, which version do you pack um things like that? I think we will need the special.

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And especially naming for these versions, we need to call them animals like ubuntu, but we need to do something.

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Yeah, it's also does anyone have a, I mean.

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Is there a large enough benefit in changing.

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I don't know I mean see, I was looking into how other products do it as well. The main thing is: make version numbers as meaningless as possible, but also enough that you can reproduce a bug.

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Yeah, because right now they are indeed a big mini universe. In my opinion, because I mean yeah bambi version three- that when you go from a 260, something minor, it's it's a bit.

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My personal opinion is, I find the versions very hard to remember. What's what I mean, I think if we went for more of the I don't know freo for a it's a little bit. You know once you get past 263, you know it's hard to at least it gets harder for me to remember. I mean our versions start to look like ip addresses, rather than you know,.

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Especially because it did happen this year that we chose a version a bit of a version- I don't know if it was later or sooner because it would be too similar than the number it would be confused with a.

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Previous version, we had a problem in the windows installer, where our version number was too high for the minor version you could only get up to 256 or something.

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That's fine. There was another place you could. You could have a display name apparently, and I think we just had. We just have reset on there. We basically bumped it down another version. I think it's like two one, something in the in the thing and then we put the jenkins version in the display name yeah. I guess eight bits for the version yeah exactly.

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So the consensus on this is that we need more information right, so yeah. Oh try to take a look at that soon: um okay, because yeah, I think we I saw- I think you know it was all I could mention that. Maybe we should freeze this until the new board and release officer. You are reinstated.

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Yeah you're, probably watching.

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With a wider audience as well.

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It's on the mailing list, but.

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Yeah the board meeting topic just to discuss it.

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Okay, so I we run out of topics. Is there anything else? Any anyone want to. Is there anything any other item somebody wants to trace? That's not on the agenda.

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um Is there any core issues that we need to triage from tables to devs? I don't.

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um There are no new ones that I found. um I did look out into this one. This one is really concerning to me. uh I did I I didn't look further into it. Basically drag and drop is a bit broken, so sometimes it seems if drag and drop is broken only when there are whenever you have a lead on the dragon drop list, there's something that breaks then drag and drop breaks, but is because I sometimes I it got fixed whenever I upgrade the plugins the dragon drop.

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I got it working so other times, not so uh I have in my. I have this in my in my eye too. I'm going to take a look at this. Probably it is later this month. So I will spend some time diagnosing this, but we will probably want to replace the drag and drop infrastructure for the next lts, but we'll also take some plugins again. Okay,.

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I kind of also wonder how much dragon drop was actually used.

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I wanted to create lots of models to bound to stuff up and down, because, to be honest, it's really even if you get to work somehow, it's not a good experience to drag something. That's smaller than your screen.

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No, I don't think I can be dragging more than like a line like it's the sort of thing I could say if you're building a pipeline and a visual ui and you're, like reordering steps, maybe but I just can't see reordering a conflict page just- does not seem same yeah because.

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For example, I I have found the gazer when working on I'm not on a small screen. Either you can get all blocks, for example, when configuring when having and when configuring a jd case yeah on the global tool configuration page. You know you can easily have stuff that.

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Have blocks that are taller than your screen? Why why you would need to reorder that?

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Well now you can so.

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I mean one fix is just to make some stuff. Not I think you should. I think there should be flags already, which means that you can't you can't reorder them. I don't see yeah.

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But but, for example, unbeatable steps, there have been the steps that are just big yeah lots of parameters, for example, build a step that can publish to somewhere, and you will. I can input credentials. Oh yeah labels plots.

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Pages of a conflict page.

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Yeah definitely right so I I think one we should uh we should I I will try to fix the run drop of course, but then maybe we can also improve it by adding a small arrows up and down next to the item so that you can actually click them yeah and maybe run them up and down. I think that would be a good idea.

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Cool, okay, okay, so I think this is it right. I think we have covered all items. This has been a short one.

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Just a quick question: um the next meeting's on the 23rd of december, I'm not sure whether we should cancel it or let it I'm not sure whether I'm going to be available. I'm not sure whether you're going to be available felix or should we just preemptively cancel it did.

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We just postpone it until january. Cancel it because there's one other one in two weeks.

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Yeah, I mean exactly because next one would be the 30th of december, which is also one of those dead days. You know where.

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Yeah, I'm I'm I'm off work by then I don't have any. I don't have any plans from the 21st to the 24th. I don't know what I'm doing then, but I might do stuff.

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I think I'm I don't know what I'm doing yeah I'm going to take, probably from the 20th. I don't I might be there. I might not be I mean we could just do it and if it's a very short meaning it's a short meaning.

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Yeah, I think I think we should cancel the yeah. We should talk about the 23rd. uh Maybe we can discuss it a few days before on the in the channel right.

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Interesting, if nobody wants, if nobody wants to join, we can do an async update on the literature.

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Yeah, okay, on the same phone, maybe that's until yeah.

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Let's all remember to clarify this in two.

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Might be my last meeting of the year, so I'm not sure what I'll be there. Okay, well have a great rest of your week weekend.

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