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Community Services Committee Meeting 4/17/2018 9:00 AM
A
A
B
C
B
Thank
you.
Do
we
have
any
public
comment
today,
any
public
comment
seeing
none
could
I
get
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
from
January
16th,
mr.
Vickery
and
mr.
Peyton.
B
D
E
Got
a
couple
of
agenda
items
to
go
over
with
you
this
morning
before
I
get
into
my
normal
just
explanation
of
what
we've
been
doing
in
the
office
and
what
we
expect
to
do
coming
up
so
first
I'll
start
with
the
Pembroke
Township
assessor
update
the
Pembroke
Township
Trustees
did
enter
into
a
contract
with
Marsha
Tedford,
who
is
the
Momence
Township
assessor
to
be
the
Pembroke
Township
Assessor,
at
least
for
the
balance
of
this
year.
I
believe
it
ends
on
November
30th
of
18,
so
for
for
the
foreseeable
future.
E
B
E
F
G
H
All
right,
thank
you.
I
just
want
to
use
this
opportunity
since
you're
first
and
the
board
seems
to
be
under
continual
assault
from
one
particular
publication
that
says
that
the
assessments
are
not
being
done
by
the
county
correctly
in
the
Pembroke
Hopkins
Park
area
and
that
they
are
continually.
This
publication
is
saying
it's
our
fault
for
all
of
these
Mis
assessments
and
there's
no
place
that
they're
the
homeowners
can
go
to
to
get
their
grievances
heard.
I
was
willing
to
take
the
opportunity
to
first
of
all
dispel
that,
because
it
is
the
township
of
Lexington.
H
So
now
we
have
somebody
to
fill
in
for
that
assessor,
that's
problem
and
that
was
engineered
hopefully
and
coordinated
through
you
and
I
know
I
appreciate
your
efforts
there
to
get
everybody
hooked
up,
but
also
what
is
the
appeals
process,
so
people
that
are
watching
this
video
sure
will
understand
how
if
they
have
a
problem
with
their
assessment?
What
is
the
process
for
them
to
have
that
heard?
Sure.
E
And
as
I've
reported
to
this
committee
for
the
last
few
years,
I'll
go
over
that
briefly
again
2015
16
and
17.
We
published
the
assessments
in
the
newspaper.
Basically,
on
the
same
day
each
year,
it's
pretty
close.
It
was
about
September
15th
each
year.
That's
a
countywide
publication.
It's
a
countywide
invitation
for
anybody
that
has
an
issue
with
their
assessment.
E
If
the
person
wants
to
show
up
and
have
their
case
heard
in
person
in
front
of
our
three-person
board
of
review,
that's
an
independent
body,
apart
from
any
of
the
assessing
authority
at
the
township
level
or
at
the
county
level,
all
of
the
assessing
in
this
county
really
comes
from
the
township.
So
it's
pretty
important
to
recognize
the
idea
that
the
townships
play
a
very
big
role
in
the
valuation
of,
but
that
is
the
avenue
that
a
person
should
take
whether
it's
in
Pembroke,
Township
or
any
other
Township
in
the
county.
E
B
E
E
The
person
who
gets
the
hearing,
if
they
ask
for
one
or
actually
if
they
file
if
they
file
an
appeal,
they're
going
to
get
a
hearing,
they
get
a
30
day
notice
of
when
that
hearing
is
and
what
time
it
is,
and
if
it
conflicts
with
their
schedule,
we
try
to
do
the
best.
We
can
to
make
sure
that
we
move
their
hearing
to
a
time
that
that
is
more
suitable
for
them.
So.
H
Yeah
and
I
appreciate
that,
because
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
would
be,
you
know
potentially
show
bus
doesn't
operate
at
the
time
if
it's
in
6:00
p.m.
or
whatever
sure
you
get
it
right
in
so
there.
There
should
be
no
reason
why
transportation
should
be
a
problem,
because
there
are
avenues
for
that
as
well.
Absolutely
okay,
thank
you.
E
Well
it
if
it's
not
your
general
assessment
year,
if
it's
not
your
townships
general
assessment
year
and
no
change
was
made
to
the
value
other
than
maybe
an
equalization
factor
in
my
department.
No,
but
we
do
publish
in
the
newspaper,
I
mean
it's,
it's
visible.
It's
very
visible.
Most
townships
are
published
in
the
daily
journal,
but
we
do
still
use
some
smaller
publications
for
other
townships
who
feel
like
they're,
better
served
in
those
smaller
newspapers.
E
E
Don't
do
emails,
yeah
I
mean
it's.
You
know
all
I
can
speak
to
is
statutory
least.
Excuse
me,
I'm
required
to
publish
in
the
newspaper.
That's
that's
for
general
notice
and
anybody
that
gets
a
change
to
their
value
in
a
non
padre
neol
year.
General
assessment
year
would
get
that
that
letter
in
the
mail
certainly
also
concerned
citizens.
That
call
we
try
to
make
sure
that
we
remind
them.
You
know
start
calling
us
in
the
middle
of
August
or
so
see.
E
If
we
know
when
we're
gonna
publish,
we
probably
won't
at
that
time,
because
we
have
to
line
it
up
with
the
newspaper
first
and
if
they
call
us
each
week
or
two
we'll
certainly
let
them
know
when
we're
going
to
publish,
and
they
would
be
aware
that
way.
So,
there's
there's
a
me
of
different
ways
that
they
can
become
aware.
I,
don't
know
if
I
have
any
better
ways
of
getting
out
to
the
public
more
than
them
pushing
it
out
of
the
newspaper
and
and
mailing
out
the
letters
that
are
statutory,
statutorily
required.
J
J
E
Yeah
anything
else
about
the
assessment
issue
there.
Otherwise
I
was
going
to
move
to
the
Board
of
Review
reappointment
every
two
years
we
have
each
year
we
have
a
at
least
one
seat
on
the
board
of
review
that
becomes
up
for
reappointment
and
we
have
one
right
now,
which
was
advertised
I,
believer
or
put
on
the
website,
maybe
a
month
ago
or
so
chairman
wheeler.
E
So
the
the
gentleman
who
occupies
that
spot
is
our
Board
of
Review,
Chairman,
Steve,
Cody
and
I
was
just
trying
to
bring
to
the
committee
this
morning
the
idea
that
maybe
we
could
forward
a
recommendation,
I
would
believe,
probably
to
the
Executive
Committee
for
this
month
of
a
for
a
reappointment
for
Steve
Cody
to
remain
on
the
board
of
review.
He
has
expressed
an
interest
in
and
staying
on,
the
board
I
believe
he's.
E
B
E
K
E
Beyond
that,
I
would
just
get
into
my
normal
presentation
for
you
and
just
kind
of
go
over
what
we've
been
doing
and
what
we
plan
to
do
coming
up
here
and
then
we
haven't
met
since
January.
So
some
of
this
stuff's
gonna
be
a
little
bit
older,
but
I'm
gonna
I'm
going
to
go
through
it
anyway,
since
last
we
met
I
did
roll
to
the
new
year
in
the
assessment
system.
E
We
that
we
did
that
in
the
middle
of
January,
I
think
shortly
right,
right
after
we
met
in
January,
I
did
receive
the
certification
of
the
2017
final
abstract
from
the
Department
of
Revenue.
We
did
not
receive
any
equalization
factor
against
that
abstract
that
would
affect
any
values.
I
didn't
expect
anything,
and-
and
that's
exactly
what
happened
all
the
number
stayed
the
way
they
were
the
way
that
I
turned
it
over
to
the
clerk
at
the
end
of
December
in
17.
E
Along
with
that,
when
we
rolled
to
the
new
year,
we
did
update
the
farmland
calculations
before
we
printed
the
assessment
books
and
got
those
out
to
the
townships.
So
we
did
distribute
those
in
January
to
the
townships.
They
do
have
their
books
and
they're
working
on
their
assessments.
Now,
for
the
2018
year,
we
mailed
out
the
exempt
status
renewal
forms
as
we
do
on
an
on
an
annual
basis
for
those
that
have
to
file
a
certificate
of
exempt
status.
E
We're
also
going
to
try
to
do
our
best
to
have
all
the
names
and
addresses
updated
right,
along
with
when
the
treasurer
cuts
us
off
and
starts
to
print
tax
bills
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks
or
whenever
it
is
that
he
pulls
the
trigger
and
goes
ahead
and
prints
tax
bills.
So
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
the
names
and
addresses
are
as
current
as
possible
at
the
moment
that
he
creates
that
file.
E
So
if
you
know
they're
typically
wanting
to
know
what
that
number
is,
so
they
get
an
idea
of
how
much
change
they
need
to
make
for
the
year
in
order
to
avoid
Equalization
and
I
would
just
like
to
let
you
know
that
at
least
from
a
countywide
standpoint,
my
projection,
which
hasn't
run
through
the
Department
of
Revenue
process.
Yet.
But
my
projection
is
two
point.
Four.
Six
percent
positive
gain
in
assessment
value
for
the
county
and
that's
broken
out
differently
for
each
Township,
but
from
from
a
county
perspective.
It's
a
two
point.
E
So
moving
on
to
some
things
that
are
still
excuse
me
still
pending.
You
still
need
to,
and
this
goes
to
what
I
was
just
saying.
We
need
to
reconcile
with
the
Department
of
Revenue
on
our
sales
ratio.
Study
I
was
at
a
conference
last
week
and
the
Department
of
Revenue
gave
a
presentation
and
it
seems
like
they
haven't,
provided
that
detail
list
to
any
cow.
Yet
so
the
fact
that
we
don't
have,
it
doesn't
mean
we're
behind
anybody
else.
E
It's
just
the
the
Department
of
Revenue
is
taking
a
little
bit
of
time
to
get
that
done
this
year
and
I've
already
talked
about
the
maintaining
of
ownership
of
record
for
the
tax
bill.
Mailing
wanted
to
give
a
little
bit
of
an
update
on
solar
farm
and
then
I
would
take
and
entertain
any
questions
you
might
have
as
well.
So
for
the
last
year
year
and
a
half
Delbert,
skimmer
and
I
have
been
working
pretty
hard
on
the
on
the
solar
farm
issue.
E
We
did
get
an
my
association
did
get
a
House
bill
introduced
House
bill
52
84,
once
we
did
that
the
industry
did
issue
a
a
competing
bill
in
the
Senate.
So
it's
kind
of
you
know
we're
we're
in
negotiations,
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
can
come
to
terms
on
a
few
things.
We're
really
down
to
just
two
issues,
and
that
is
industry-
wants
something
called
the
freehold
leasehold
estate,
basically
being
able
to
be
taxed
on
on
the
improvements.
E
E
We
have
reached
out
to
many
taxing
body
associations
and
I-
think
they're,
all
in
agreement
with
us
on
our
side
as
far
as
the
language
that
we've
used
school
board,
associations,
County
Board
associations
and
so
forth,
Department
of
Revenue
as
well,
very,
very
much
an
agreement
with
what
we're
doing
versus
what
the
industry
is
doing.
The
other
issue
that
we
have
is
value,
of
course,
in
in
the
formulated
assessment
that
we're
trying
to
create.
I
E
One
of
the
things
that's
gonna
happen
is
the
land.
That's
occupied.
Excuse
me:
the
land,
that's
occupied
by
the
solar
project.
If
it's
on
a
it's
on
farmland,
it
used
to
be
probably
production,
agriculture
value,
and
if
it's
gonna
be
occupied
by
a
solar
farm,
then
the
land
value
will
no
longer
be
assessed
under
the
farm
code.
So
that
would
change
then
also
there
would
be
an
improvement
value
for
for
those
components
that
are
considered
real
estate
and
we
would
assess
it
for
that.
E
Now,
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
think
a
legislated
statute
is
is
in
order
is
to
try
to
avoid
the
confrontation
over
what's
real
and
what's
personal,
that
was
the
point
of
the
wind
statute
when
they
put
that
formula
together
and
that's
basically,
the
model
that
we've
used
is
try
to
come
up
with
a
formula
so
that
we
can
avoid
that
whole
argument
altogether
and
just
put
it
on
based
on
the
formulated
value.
Okay,.
B
F
Vickery,
yes,
Eric,
when
they
establish
a
value
when
they
develop,
is
that
part
of
the
formula
will
say
that
they
establish
a
value
on
a
piece
of
property
that
they're
going
to
develop,
with,
with
the
solar
farm
and
they'll,
say
it's
three
million
dollars
or
two
million
whatever?
That
number
is
for
construction
cost
or
whatever?
Is
that
going
to
be
part
of
the
formula?
Are
they
going
to
dictate
a
formula
from
state?
Well,.
E
From
my
perspective,
the
number
that
we
brought
forward
in
House
bill,
52
84,
was
developed
based
on
what
we
believe
it
costs
to
construct
a
full
megawatt
of
solar
and
then
try
to
come
down
to
what
part
of
that
is
is
likely
real
estate,
so
so
that
that
formula,
I'm
hoping
is,
is
grounded
in
the
idea
of
what
it
really
costs
to
construct
a
megawatt
of
solar.
But
we'll
wait
and
see
what
the
legislature
does
with
that
component.
Would.
E
It's
just
like
the
wind
statute,
where
it
uses
a
trending
factor
and
the
trending
factor
is
developed
and
wind,
comparing
the
believe.
It's
the
2007
or
2008
CPI
versus
today's
CPI,
and
you
get
a
kind
of
a
multiplier
out
of
that
right.
Now,
it's
1.2,
so
the
wind
statute,
for
example,
just
very
quickly.
The
wind
statute
says
three
hundred
sixty
thousand
dollars
per
megawatt
times
the
trending
factor
and
taking
off
depreciation
at
four
percent
a
year.
E
H
Mr.
wheeler
Thank
You
mr.
chairman
D,
along
this
lines,
I
had
this
come
up
this
morning
and
I
could
have
ventured
a
close
guess
to
the
answer,
but
since
you're
here
the
how
much
of
this
new
construction,
if
you
will
they're
asking
about
wind
farms
and
how
much
will
will
fall
to
you
know
as
far
as
revenue
goes
as.
I
H
E
I
think
this
is
probably
a
question:
that's
more
appropriate
for
the
clerk
to
answer,
because
I
don't
deal
with
extension
and
tax
caps,
and
things
like
that
I
can
I
can
quickly
save
it.
There's
a
certain
percentage.
There's
a
maximum
percentage.
I
believe
that
you
can
have
in
terms
of
an
increase
to
your
extension.
I
think
it
may
be
five,
but
part
of
that
is
how
much
came
from
the
CPI
first
and
whatever
is
left
over,
say
you
get
to
from
the
CPI.
You
might
have
three
percent
more.
You
can
gain
from
new
construction
right.
D
E
H
Kind
of
where
my
head
was
but
I
want
to
make
sure
because
it
may
come
up
with
all
of
the
new
construction
I.
Don't
think
it'll
come
up
this
year
and
I
think
you
have
to
wait
a
year
before
it
hits.
But
it
may
come
up
in
two
years
when
we
see
some
very
large
build
outs
in
other
industrial
facilities
that
you
may
have
seen
in
the
newspaper,
so
potentially
yeah
potential
yeah.
E
I
Snape's,
just
one
comment:
it's
not
often
that
you
get
a
chance
to
hear
accolades,
but
then
it's
not
often
that
you
get
a
person,
that's
passion
in
his
face
and
it's
professionalism
and
I
just
want
to
say
kudos
away,
because
no
matter
when
we
have
asked
you
a
question
or
if
we
have
come
to
you
personally,
your
level,
professionalism
and
the
just
the
overall
knowledge
of
the
job
is
to
me
exceptional.
So
I
just
wanted
to
say.
Thank
you
for
my
end.
Thank.
B
L
L
L
L
B
L
No,
they
had
a
problem
so
January,
you
know,
January
1
was
when
we
instituted
the
new
fees.
It
was
quite
a
learning
curve,
even
though
we
did
every
possible
attempt
to
commute
get
the
word
out
from
September
to
January
that
there
was
gonna
be
a
new
feet,
so
we
had
a
process
where,
in
the
month
of
January,
we
recorded
1069
documents
of
that
807
documents
were
the
new
fee,
so
that
reflected
an
increase
of
revenue
of
eight
thousand
seventy
dollars.
I'm.
L
It
was
a
ten
dollar
increase,
okay
makes
sense,
yeah
and
then
two
hundred
sixty
two
were
applicable
to
the
old
fee,
along
with
you
know,
from
the
tech,
sale
and
auction
that
takes
place
and
August
and
September
November.
Whenever
that
is,
those
checks
were
already
cut,
so
they
reflect
an
old
fee
so
as
those
continue
to
come
in
those
will
still
get
recorded
under
the
old
fee.
So
we're
gonna
have
a
period
of
time
where
it's
gonna
not
be
a
solid
change,
makes
sense
yep.
L
Month
of
February,
we
recorded
815
documents.
Okay
of
that
eight
hundred
and
four
were
new
fee.
So
that's
good
we're
getting
better,
which
resulted
in
eight
thousand
forty
dollars
of
increased
revenue
from
the
feet
now.
I
apologize
for
the
month
of
March
I
did
not
do
that
breakdown.
For
you,
however,
I
can
tell
you.
In
the
month
of
March,
we
recorded
1196
documents
compared
to
March
of
2017.
We
actually
had
15
documents
more
than
the
year
prior,
whereas
in
January
in
February
we
were
actually
lower
in
document
volume.
Trending.
L
L
L
That
means
every
recorders
office
in
the
state
of
Illinois
has
to
have
an
established,
predictable
fee,
which
I
think
will
help
over
all
once
you
know
that
these
industries
we
deal
with,
and
it's
not
just
local
industries,
we're
dealing
with
New,
York
and
Connecticut
and
Florida
and
California
and
Vegas
and
different
places.
So
we
have
it
published
on
our
Association
website.
L
We
have
pointed
to
our
own
website,
so
we're
doing
the
best
we
can
to
communicate
that
information,
we're
a
predictable
feast
state.
That
means
no
more
page
counts
flat
fee.
So
your
document
is
this:
so
we're
helping
move
the
industry,
especially
the
financial
industry,
forward
and
being
able
to
close
on
homes
faster
and
not
have
those
last-minute
hiccups.
That
might
stop
a
closing.
So
it's
a
good
thing:
we'll
get
there.
Everything
takes
time,
some
other
things,
I
any
questions
on
that
I
guess
and
I
gotta
tell
you.
L
My
staff
has
been
stabbed
ulis
and
in
dealing
with
this
cuz
it
gets
a
little
frustrating.
When
you
know
you
know
you
know,
you've
told
them,
but
we
just
kindly
give
them
a
call
or
send
them
a
letter,
and
let
them
know
that
since
September
of
2017
we've
been
announcing
this
so
some
other
things
my
office
has
been
working
on.
Along
with
this
is
our
backlog.
Film
project,
as
you
know,
we
continue
to
microfilm
and
bring
into
our
computer
system
old
images,
because
people
in
the
world
need
that
information.
L
Searchers
that
are
doing
title
searches
on
your
property
are
doing
20-year
30-year
fifty
years,
sometimes
depending
hundred-year
searches.
It
is
my
goal
to
have
50
years
into
the
computer
system.
So
currently
we
have
contiguous
1987
to
current
now
non-contiguous
because
of
some
factors
that
happened
in
my
office
called
vinegar
syndrome
and
if
you've
ever
opened,
one
of
the
drawers
of
microfilm
you'll
be
introduced
to
vinegar
syndrome.
It's
very
bold.
L
We
were
having
film
getting
destroyed.
So
we
had
to
hurry
up
and
do
1967
and
68
right
away,
because
that
film
had
to
be
kind
of
quarantined
from
the
rest
of
the
film.
Otherwise
it
was
just
going
to
continue
to
infect,
so
we
do
have
1967
and
68
done
so
to
kind
of
bring
that
up
right
now,
we're
working
on
69
and
70,
and
we're
looking
at
about
eight
thousand
six
hundred
and
two
images
for
1970
and
eight
thousand
nine
hundred
and
seventy
seven
for
1969.
L
So
that's
kind
of
the
goal
of
the
office
on
average.
Weird
getting
about
a
year
done
in
nine
months
with
just
three
staff
members
and
my
chief
deputy
myself,
we
all
pitch
in
we
all
help
we
all
take
turns.
We
have
some
really
great
technology
in
my
office
that
allows
us
to
do
this
in-house
and
not
take
it
out.
My
first
year
is
recorder,
I
did
send
some
film
out,
I
paid
$10,000
and
the
quality
that
was
returned
was
not
worth
what
we
paid.
L
So
we
learned
by
our
mistakes
and
I
think
what
we're
doing
now
is
absolutely
achievable.
It's
great
quality
and
the
outside
world
that
uses
our
systems
loves
it
so
very
proud
of
my
staff
for
the
work
that
they're
doing
they're
very
committed
along
with
me
to
get
this
goal
achieved
to
have
50
years
in
and
so
we're
getting
there
we're
getting
there.
So.
L
Let's
see
what
else
do
you
need
to
know
want
to
know
about?
What's
going
on
property
fraud
alert
is
continuously
getting
registered,
we're
gonna
be
doing
a
push
through
law
week,
I
was
invited
to
attend
dr.
Condon's
wrap-up
event,
it's
kind
of
like
a
little
open
house,
and
so
I'm
gonna
be
bringing
the
property
fraud
kiosk
with
me
and
talking
to
people
about
protecting
their
most
valuable
asset.
L
L
I
L
What
the
process
is
is
they're,
gonna,
get
a
phone
call
or
an
email
or
whatever
and
you're
gonna
know.
If
you
did
something
or
not,
and
if
you're
concerned
call
us
up
we're
gonna,
look
up
what
information
you
were
given,
because
you're
gonna
be
given
you're
gonna
be
given
date
and
you're
gonna
be
given
document
number
and
obviously
everyone
knows
in
my
office
document
number
is
how
I
dent
afire
got
that
document.
So
we
look
it
up
and
then
we
talked
to
you.
We
create
a
conversation,
you
know,
did
you
refinance
your
home?
L
L
L
Sometimes
we
did
something
we
enacted
it
and
maybe
the
service
we
use
to
get
that
done,
didn't
follow
through
getting
it
recorded
for
three
or
four
months.
So
it's
forgotten
can
happen
and
then
other
times,
maybe
something
bad
was
happening
and
somebody
signed
over
their
property,
your
property
to
them.
So
we
asked
you
to
come
in
get
copies
of
everything
and,
depending
on
the
situation,
we
strongly
suggest
you
seek
the
advice
of
an
attorney.
L
M
L
L
Good
thing
and
that's
okay,
and
then
they
call
the
next
week
and
we're
fine
with
that.
We
love
that.
So
we
have
some
really
great
established
relationships
with
the
people
of
the
county.
So
and
that's
okay,
yeah
a
couple
of
other
things.
I
is
that
I
echo
last
week
and
there's
some
things
in
the
House
and
Senate
on
behalf
of
the
recorders.
Association
and/or,
not
necessarily
on
behalf
of
it
looks
like
Department
of
Revenue
is,
as
you
I'm
sure
it
reported.
L
L
L
An
effort
by
Cook
County
is
regarding
mechanic's
liens,
there's
some
confusion
about
responsibility
and
notability
of
mechanic's
liens
somebody.
You
know
I
thought
mechanics
against
you.
How
long
is
it
good
for
if
you
don't
pay
me
and
I,
don't
release
it?
What
happens
so
there's
this
kind
of
great
area
going
on
right
now.
L
Some
people
know
their
pin
numbers
and
you
know
really
live
by
them.
So
we're
against
that
right
now,
so
legislatively
that's
where
we're
at
on
some
stuff
happening
currently
in
the
Springfield
and
then
lastly,
is
my
request
for
an
ordinance
I
believe
all
of
you
have
a
copy
of
it,
and
it's
regarding
having
the
pin
number
in
common
address
when
available.
Not
everybody
has
an
address,
believe
it
or
not
one
or
once
an
address
is
established.
D
L
In
the
office
when
we
received
the
document
statutorily
we're
looking
for
grant
or
grantee
legal
description
and
that's
how
we
find
things
in
our
offices
by
the
legal
description
of
your
property
appropriate
prepared
by
return
to
signatures
and
notary.
So
many
people
come
into
my
office
to
say:
I
live
at
two
three,
four
South
Main.
Can
you
tell
me
when
the
last
deed
was
okay?
Do
you
have
your
pin
number?
Do
you
have
your
legal
description
when
a
minute
we
say
legal
description,
they
really
don't
know
what
we're
talking
about.
L
We
hope
to
god
that
they
also
brought
their
tax
bill
in
with,
because
in
tax
bill
there
is
a
short
legal.
That
kind
of
helps
us
out
a
little
bit
more,
but
otherwise
it'll
take
a
little
bit
longer
process
to
find
it.
Because
then
we
got
to
go
through
some
different
systems.
We
go
through.
You
know
Eric's
system
and
different
things
like
that
to
find
the
address
tied
to
the
correct
property,
making
sure
it's
the
correct
property,
so
the
pin
number
your
personal
identification
number
is
a
huge
asset
on
these
documents
in
common
address.
L
Only
because
people
want
to
see
their
address
and
their
their
deeds
so
going
forward.
I
think
this
is
going
to
accommodate
that
end
user
person
and
also
it's
going
to
provide
a
speedier
service
in
our
office
in
those
as
we
index,
because
we
can
only
index
what
we
see.
Those
people
out
in
the
world
that
that's
all
they
put
in
will
be
able
to
retrieve
their
information.
H
L
L
Currently,
my
system
is
set
up
to
have
common
addresses
and
pin
numbers,
actually
a
wealth,
more
of
information,
but
we're
only
limited
to
what
we
see.
We
can't
make
up
what
we
don't
know,
but
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up
because
moving
forward.
So
this
whole
new
Windows
10
thing
is
and
I'm
gonna
bring
it
up
next
month,
because
I
didn't
want
to
bore
you
guys
with
too
much,
but
that
is
going
to
introduce
other
things
that
technology
wise
we're
gonna
have
to
go
to
a
new
level
because
of
Windows
10.
L
So
working
on
it
I
know
I
got
about
two
years
because
I've
been
working
with
Kevin
and
Jason
and
how
my
office
is
gonna
roll
over
into
that.
So
I'm
kind
of
planning
that,
along
with
what
this
next
generation
upgrade,
would
be
so
in
trying
to
get
a
good,
strong
punch
list
of
costs,
so
maybe
I
could
spread
it
out
over
two
budget
years.
H
L
O
O
Doesn't
really
apply
to
her
if
she
and
if
you
guys,
work
out
where
you
can't
afford
to
do
something.
Chic
technically
can
stay
on
seven
for
a
while
I,
don't
recommend
it
cuz
you're
going
against
what
Microsoft
says,
but
what
I've
told
you
in
other
committee
I
haven't
applied
to
her
because
she's
physically
separate
her
logins
everything's
different
than
us
I,
don't
know!
If
that
helps
you
pretty.
L
Much
I
pay
for
all
the
stuff,
so
I've
already
bought
two,
because
I
had
a
computer.
That
was
an
XP
that
was
made
and
you're
always
welcome
to
come
into
my
office
and
see
how
things
get
done.
So
when
I
say
the
scanning
room,
you
know
what
I'm
talking
about,
but
the
scanning
computer
that
we
actually
take
the
document
scan
it
in.
So
it's
in
the
system.
That's
a
Windows,
10
computer.
Now
so
we're
doing
a
slower
integration.
I
have
what
12
computers?
Yes,.
O
O
When
can
she
do
what
she
needs
to
do
some
of
the
elections
stuff
that
is
actually
separated
us
sort
of
has
the
same
issue,
but
in
that
case
has
maybe
one
or
two
they're
isolated
from
us,
so
they
don't
have
the
same
thing
where
we
generally
hundreds
of
people
touch
each
other.
That's
where
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
at
the
minimum
or
exceed
the
minimum
security
levels
she's
isolated,
so
she
really
can't
harm
the
rest
of
us
doesn't
mean
she
can't
have
an
issue,
but
then
that's
her
responsibility.
Yeah.
L
L
B
P
B
F
P
P
For
those
of
you
that
haven't
met
Lori
Lori
Mullins,
my
chief
deputy,
also
largely
responsible
for
taking
care
of
our
election
judges,
we
did
have
you
know,
I
think
the
election
went
relatively
smoothly
compared
to
four
years
ago.
Turnout
percentage
was
up
about
one
percent
from
2014
I,
don't
know
that
there's
any
particular
rhyme
or
reason
why
it
was
up,
but
we
did
have
a
you
know,
a
couple
minor
challenges
with
the
election.
We
do
have
equipment
that
we
had
to
swap
out
on
Election
Day.
P
P
We
did
have
a
touchscreen
machine
that
we
had
to
swap
out
because
of
calibration
issues,
that
equipment
is
12
years
old
and
some
of
that,
so
it
is
a
concern,
but
you
know
we
will
do
our
best
to
make
do
with
what
we
have
until
something
better
comes
along
election
judges
and
I'm
gonna
turn
this
over
to
Lori.
For
a
little
bit,
we
had
a
difficult
time
finding
election
judges
Lori.
Do
you
want
to
give
a
quick
recap
on
what
we
had
and.
D
Q
Were
short
judges,
we
had
actually
16
precincts
that
operated
on
election
day
with
three
judges
alone.
That's
why
and
I
know
it
wasn't
a
busy
election,
but
they
still
have
to
go
through
the
same
process
as
it
if
it
was
a
busy
election,
so
they
still
have
to
do
all
the
same
thing
for
working
everything.
So
that
was
a
big
challenge.
Q
I
did
get
some
help
from
some
precinct
committeeman
some
County
Board
members
helped
me
the
issue
with
some
of
that
it
was
and
we
did
go
on
the
radio
we
announced
it
social
media
yeah.
We
did
all
that
had
a
good
response
from
some
of
that
I
had
about
15
judges.
Contact
me
hook
them
up
with
training
because
of
our
time
crunch.
We
did
do
a
lot
of
online
training
this
time
because
of
the
time
crunch.
We
didn't
have
time
for
classes
all
the
time
we
did
handle
two
in-person
certification
classes.
Q
We
did
do
that.
The
rest
were
required
to
do
online
I
had
three
people
completed
so
out
of
the
15
inquiries.
We
got
only
three
completed
it,
so
I
was
only
able
to
really
utilize
three
of
those.
The
other
ones
you
can
still
utilize
them,
but
they
just
don't
get
the
same
pay
and
when
they
find
that
out,
they're,
not
gonna
work.
P
Q
The
pay
is
a
hundred
and
forty
five
dollars
for
the
day
if
you're
certified
till,
if
you
go
through
the
training,
otherwise
it's
dropped
down
to
$75,
so
that
was
the
biggest
challenge
with
the
judges.
So
we
had
some
with
four
judges
that
ran
pretty
smooth
and
and
the
bigger
precincts
we
tried
to
keep
with
the
five
judges,
so
that
was
the
challenge
with
the
judges
system
did.
P
B
M
Of
our
judges,
I
just
I
just
to
commend
that
we
didn't
have
any
major
problems
in
pilot
one,
but
when
we
did,
the
person
was
right
there.
You
know
and
helped
us
out,
and
we
could
not
find
that
cheat
for
anything
there.
It
was
right
where
she
said
it
so
I'm
just
comment
commending.
You
know
answer
our
questions.
Every
call
got
answered
there,
you
know
I'm
and
and
glory
glory
were
already
paid.
Thank
you.
I
Snipes
yeah
identity
check
him
from
time
to
time
on
the
election,
judges
in
13
and
I
think
I'm,
one
of
many,
probably
that
provides
lunch
or
something
because
I
just
like
to
you
know,
I
see
them
flow
with
the
business.
So
you
know
outside
of
what
they
brought
in
I
may
have
piece
and
stuff
to
deliver.
Justice
show
them
some
appreciation
for
being
there
or
whatever,
but
I
think
they
for
those
that
are
there.
You
know
with
the
different
machines
and
things
they're
pretty.
They
were
pretty
knowledgeable
and
kept
the
flow
going.
I
So
you
know
I
commend
them
on
the
F
results
that
have
that
day
of
public
service.
You
know
their
only
thing
they
have
to
go
through
the
trainings
etc,
but
they
are
willing
to
come
out
and
for
a
whole
day,
and
you
know
that
145
is
you
know
it's.
This
is
more
of
thank
you
for
showing
up
more
so
than
up,
then
a
actual
pay
for
what
they
have
to
go
through
and.
P
You're
exactly
right,
mr.
Stipe
sup,
you
know,
though,
if
you
think
about
it,
you
know
the
the
judges
get
to
the
polling
place
at
5
o'clock
in
the
morning
and
they're
there
on
average
till
about
8
o'clock
that
night
and
that's
a
15
hour
day
for
a
hundred
and
forty-five
dollars,
but
that
doesn't
include
the
amount
of
time
that
they
spend
in
training.
You
know
we
I
would
probably
estimate
that
you
know
they
spend
at
least
five
hours
of
time.
P
You
know
going
through
the
materials,
certainly
if
they're
going
through
the
online
session
and
attending
our
refresher
classes,
there's
a
there's
another
three
to
five
hours
involved
in
that.
So
you
know
I
I
would
like
to
you
know
you
know,
pay
our
judges
more,
but
I'm,
fully
aware
of
the
the
financial
constraints
that
we
face.
So
you
know
I
can't
say
enough
about
our
judges
to
I'd
put
our
judges
up
against
anybody.
Any
other
County.
H
Thank
you,
Thank
You,
mr.
chairman,
the
you
know,
that's
that's
a
subject
that
you
know
I
was
around.
I,
went
to
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
polls
and
and
I
noticed
that
we
are,
and
it's
been
really
ongoing
for
the
past.
I
was
longer
than
paying
attention
seems
like.
We
have
less
and
less
judges.
Every
year
we
lose
people
and
they're
not
being
replaced,
no
matter
how
much
outreach
we
do
and
how
much
we
do,
and
social
and
online
training
opportunities,
fewer
and
fewer
and
fewer,
and
we
have
declining.
H
H
Looking
for
opportunities
there,
because
when
you,
you
have
the
type
of
numbers
that
show
up
in
some
of
the
rural
areas
that
could
be
consolidated
with
other
you
know,
locations
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
bring
it
back
to
this
committee
with
a
full
set
of
recommendations
on
based
on
the
numbers,
not
just
for
this
past
election,
but
for
the
past
few
cycles.
What
could
we
consolidate
and
have
enough
judges
there
to
handle
a
big
November
election
or
a
big
next
time
around
on
the
municipal
side
or
whatever
happens?
Iii.
P
Wouldn't
disagree
with
you
on
that,
and
certainly
I
can
have
something
for
the
committee
for
next
month
to
to
list
some
opportunities
that
we
could
potentially
have
for
consolidation.
You
know
consolidation
does
achieve
a
couple
of
things.
It
does
provide
us.
You
know
if
we
reduce
the
number
of
precincts
that
gives
us
more
equipment
that
we
can
use
as
spares
it
reduces
the
number
of
judges
that
we
need
to
have
so
that
there's
that
there
is
a
financial
savings
with
that
yeah,
but
there
is
the
potential
cost.
Q
P
P
Know
that
doesn't
take
into
account.
You
know
we're
one
of
the
counties
that
has
to
have
same-day
registration
at
every
polling
place
so
that
there
are
some
additional
duties
placed
on
our
judges
that
other
counties
don't
have.
But
you
know
it
is.
It
is
one
of
those
things
you
know
we're
paying
them
for
the
same
amount
of
work
that
somebody
that
doesn't
have
to
do
same-day
registration.
F
F
P
Sure
sure
you
know,
statue
currently
says
that
if
you
have
over
800
voters
in
a
polling
location
for
two
consecutive
elections
are
required
to
split
them.
So
that
would
be
the
criteria
that
I
would
look
at
for
for
consolidations.
I
know
that
there's
some
areas
that
we
can
look
at
and
mr.
wheeler
had
alluded
to
some
of
the
rural
areas,
certainly
Norton
Township.
P
The
concern
that
you've
got
is
is
where
do
you
have
that
polling
place
and
and
we'll
investigate
that
as
well?
Auto
Township
could
get
potential
there's
some
other
places
that
we
could
look
at.
Those
were
just
two
that
came
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
I
will
have
a
as
comprehensive
a
report
as
I
can
provide
for
you
next
month,
Thank
You.
M
You
I
I,
just
the
people.
I
talked
with
who
I
encouraged
to
be
a
judge.
It
was
the
training
and
I.
Don't
know
how
I
could
ever
be
a
judge
without
that
training.
It's
so
important,
even
what
the
testing
is
really
good
to
have
the
testing.
So
the
money
does
isn't
an
issue.
I
and
I.
Don't
think
I,
don't
think
money
is
an
issue,
is
you
know,
can
I
say
just
don't
want
to
commit
to
the
training,
but
you
it's
so
much
easier
to
do
it
online
than
to
come
in
to
a
location.
So
right.
P
J
M
B
Can
understand
the
problem
you're
looking
for
a
workforce
that
might
not
be
available
and
and
I
know
all
you've
you
reached
out
through
the
paper,
and
you
know
social
media
and
all
that
and
I'm,
trying
to
think
of
a
place
that
would
have
a
workforce
that
you
could
easily
access
that
that
you
might
not
be
accessing
yet
and
I
know
and
past.
Your
predecessor
has
used
some
high
school
seniors.
Oh
and.
B
Still
do
that
absolutely
do
now:
here's
another
one!
What
about
assisted
living
places
that
would
have
people
there?
You
know
that
might
not
have
the
means
to
get
to
the
polling
place.
It
would
be
a
there'd,
be
a
transportation
issue,
but
you
might
have
people
that
are
willing
to
give
their
time,
but
might
not
have
the
means
to
get
to
the
job
that.
B
And
I
know
in
my
followers
have
been
thinking
about
what,
if
you
had
you,
you
got
your
core
group
that
you
probably
always
have
had
of
your
of
your
judges.
Now
you've
probably
got
some
leaders
in
that
group.
Maybe
they
could
be
responsible
to
go
grab
some
other
people
for
a
couple
extra
dollars,
I'm
just
trying
to
get
the.
G
Q
F
You
mr.
chairman
voting
has
come
a
long
way.
My
first
election
in
1973,
you
were
required
to
have
a
water
bill.
That's
how
you
presented
your
voter
identification.
You
showed
up
with
a
water
bill.
Well,
one
of
my
poll
Watchers
had
never
seen
these
people,
but
they
had
a
water
bill.
Okay,
so
we
had
we've
come
quite
ways:
okay,
so,
and
my
first
task
as
a
councilmember
was
be
chairman
of
the
election
committee,
which
meant
I
had
nothing
to
do
for
two
years.
F
D
P
We
have
talked
about
that
being
800
voters,
but
could
potentially
increase
the
size
of
the
precincts
to
1,200
voters,
so
that
could
have
a
potential
impact
for
us.
There
is
a
Senate
bill
that
authorizes
election
authorities
to
reduce
a
number
of
election
judges
from
five
to
three
in
a
precinct
for
any
election.
P
That
would
pre-register
them
to
vote
and
then
once
we
are
once
we
were
eligible
to
put
them
to
the
system,
we
would
put
them
in
not
a
fan,
because
you
know
people
move
and
having
somebody
in
the
system
for
a
year
could
be
a
year
and
a
half
before
we
process
them,
as
a
voter
just
seems
to
be
a
little
bit
ambitious
and
there's
also
a
Senate
bill
on
vote.
Centers
I've
read
the
read
legislation.
P
I
would
not
tell
you
that
I've,
you
know
head
to
toe
I'm
comprehensively
knowledgeable,
but
it's
something
that
could
potentially
be
explored
for
us
to
use
vote
centers.
We
almost
have
to
have
schools
as
polling
places.
You
know
when
you're
talking
about
size
of
these
the
legislation
as
it's
written
so
that
maximum
size
of
7500
voters,
which
is
huge
what
facilities
have
or
that
large
enough
that
could
could
meet
those
in
schools
is
the
is
the
answer
to
that.
So
you
know
it
would
be
something
you
know
depending
on
how
far
this
gets.
P
We
can
explore
it,
but
we
would
need
a
lot
of
help
with
that.
So
that's
it
for
the
legislation
just
wanted
to
on
June
19th.
Following
the
community
services
meeting,
we
are
going
to
have
a
voter
Fair
down
at
the
second
floor
conference
room
speaking
of
equipment,
our
vendor
does
have
some
new
voting
equipment
that
they
would
like
to
demonstrate
no
strings
attached
on
this
I'm
gonna.
P
Just
you
know,
I'm
aware
that
there's
some
federal
grant
money-
that's
gonna,
be
distributed
to
Illinois.
As
far
as
security
goes,
the
amount
that
Kankakee
County
is
gonna,
get
I,
don't
know
yet
and
when
we're
gonna
get
that
the
State
Board
isn't
sure
and
what
we
can
use
it
for
they
haven't
defined
yet.
But
you
know,
a
lot
of
people
are
talking
about
the
potential
for
using
that
for
election
equipment,
so
they
would
like
to
show
us
the
equipment.
I
said
I'm
happy
to
show
it.
P
You
know
you
can
show
it
I'd
like
to
invite
some
of
our
election
judges
in
to
take
a
look
at
the
equipment,
but
I've
also
told
them.
You
know,
you
know
where
we
are
money-wise.
I,
know
commitment
at
all
on
this.
So
like
you
all
to
come
down
and
take
a
look
at
it
just
for
just
for
information
purposes
on
May
third,
we're
going
to
KCC
as
part
of
their
passport
to
civics,
fair,
so
we'll
be
out
there
from
6:30
to
8:00
and
we'll
be
answering
any
questions.
P
People
have
about
our
passports,
voter
registration,
vital
records,
any
questions
they've
got
that
we
can
hand
answer
we'll,
be
happy
to
do
so.
We're
going
to
be
contacting
all
of
the
high
schools
for
voter
registration,
as
we
do
every
year,
going
out
to
the
high
schools
and
registering
those
seniors,
our
voter
registration
system,
we're
in
the
process.
You
know
you
all
voted
on
the
switching
over
to
platinum
systems,
we're
getting
the
data
from
vote
tech,
our
existing
system
and
in
the
process
of
getting
that
transported
over
we're
on
schedule.
P
K
A
question,
but
about
a
few
months
back
my
wife
and
I
attended
an
insurance
seminar
and
the
speaker
was
a
technological
guru
who
what
he
was
predicting
with
the
new
generations,
the
Millennium
generation,
our
generation
and
so
forth.
He
pulls
out
his
cell
phone
and
he
says
in
the
year
2030.
This
is
all
you
will
need.
You
will
not
have
credit
cards,
you
will
not
have
money,
he
ordered
a
uber
car
pizza
paid
three
bills,
all
in
five
seconds.
He
said
you'll
vote
with
this
and
I'm
thinking
whoo.
You
know
so
I.
P
K
P
K
C
P
K
B
R
Q
D
B
R
E
R
R
R
They're
yeah
they'll
be
be
bustling,
but
we
had
help
take
someone
that
had
really
let
their
their
heart
get
away
and
and
had
a
lot
of
cats
in
the
home
and
we
were
able
to
help
them,
and
we
were
really
grateful
for
that.
But
I
am
happy
that
that's
certainly
not
the
situation.
This
year,
you'll
also
notice
on
registration
for
March.
R
It
looks
down
compared
to
last
year,
as
we
went
to
a
some
new
software
updates.
We
were
working
real
hard
to
get
all
of
2017
stuff
in.
We
had
some
hospitals
trickle
in
late
stuff
that
they
had
missed,
not
I
shouldn't,
say
misplace,
just
hadn't
gathered
yet
or
hadn't
submitted,
so
it
is
kind
of
delayed
getting
some
of
the
2018
stuff
in
and
I
think
you'll
see
that
number
increase
again
in
April,
so
I
just
wanted
to.
R
R
Some
things
that
bills
that
are
in
the
Senate
in
the
house
right
now
as
I
understand
in
order
for
me
to
really
speak
on
behalf
of
Kankakee
County
I
have
to
get
permission
from
this
committee
in
the
full
board.
To
do
that,
I
am
I,
do
sit
as
the
vice
president
of
the
Ayaka
Association.
That's
the
Illinois
Animal
Control
Association,
and
you
know,
while
that
organization
has
opinions
on
what
they
support
and
oppose
you
base,
can
sometimes
differ
from
what
may
be
what
the
county
wants.
R
But
here
are
several
bills
that
are
out
there
and
I
would
like
to
ask
the
committee
for
permission
to
be
supportive
of
these
bills.
The
first
one
Senate
bill,
20
270,
refers
to
the
mandatory
rabies
for
cats
throughout
Illinois.
We
already
have
that
in
our
county,
but
there
are
many
counties
that
do
not
have
that,
and
you
know
it's
it's
something.
That's
been
talked
about
quite
a
bit.
You
know.
Cats
are
quickly
moving
up
the
ladder
really
on
probably
the
most
popular
companion,
animal
they're
in
everyone's
homes.
R
They're
avid
hunters
we've
seen
an
increase
in
rabid
bats
in
the
last
few
years
and
when
those
bats
are
in
our
homes,
our
cats
are
sure
to
do
the
job
that
they
so
so
aptly
do.
And
so
you
know
the
state
is
trying
to
get
that
passed
so
that
more
counties
more
cats
are
vaccinated,
which
is
just
a
public
safety
measure
to
to
help
reduce
rabies
from
rearing
its
ugly
head
in
our
corner
of
the
world.
So
certainly
we'd
like
to
be
supportive
on
that
House
bill.
54
77
is
an
animal
shelter
transfer
report.
R
There
are
always
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
the
statistical
data
that
is
collect
from
the
animals,
animal
control's
and
shelters.
We
all
have
to
report
back
to
the
Department
of
Ag
annually
when
we
renew
our
license
for
a
quick
example.
If
we
take
in
four
dogs-
and
then
we
report
that
you
know
in
our
annual
report
that
we-
you
know-
four
dogs
intake
and
then
we
move
them
to
a
shelter
partner
and
then
they
report
that
they
took
in
four
dogs.
R
Sometimes
these
same
four
dogs
are
getting
counted
over
and
over
again,
so
they're
getting
some
real
specific
language
into
the
data.
That's
going
to
be
collected
not
only
by
animal
controls
but
by
shelters,
the
transfer
of
animals
up
through
the
states.
How
many
we
have
to
start
I
mean
it's
really
very
specific,
so
I
encourage
you
to
go.
You
know,
look
at
the
bills,
but
this
is
something
that
our
associations
really
happy
to
see
that
we
will
get
a
more
accurate
data
collection
by
this
bill
being
passed
and
Senate
bill.
R
23
thirteen
County
animal
safety
funds,
some
of
the
counties
have
long
had
a
population
control
fund
established
in
their
County,
as
he
has
so.
The
$10
differential
from
the
rabies
tags
has
gone
into
that
and
allow
us
to
help
with
spay
neuter
allows
us
to
help
pay
for
Spanier
of
our
own
shelter
animals
and
some
of
the
other
monies
public
safety
money
is
associated
with
dangerous
dog
declarations.
R
Vicious
dog
sanctions,
some
of
that
that
stuff
was
going
down
to
the
state
as
I
always
understood
it
and
I
talked
to
the
public
health
department
summary
several
years
ago.
This
was
not
something
that
they
really
volunteered
to
manage:
it
kind
of
got,
dropped
in
their
laps
and
when
I
had
talked
to
I
really
don't
know
who
it
was,
but
they
said
you
know,
regardless
of
how
much
money
comes
to
the
state.
Only
a
certain
the
General
Assembly
will
only
allocate
a
certain
amount
for
this
program
and
the
rest
gets
swept
well.
R
This
is
money
that
is
being
collected
in
our
communities
in
our
counties
and
it
needs
to
stay
within
communities.
So
this
bill
will
put
that
money
all
of
those
monies
back
into
our
community
and
we
can
use
it
for
population
control
funds.
Some
of
it
can
be
used
for
other
measures
as
we
see
fit,
maybe
in
training
things
like
that
for
our
officers
or
equipment
that's
needed.
R
The
last
one
is
Senate
bill,
32
18
right
now.
This
still
kind
of
looks
like
a
shell
bill
out
there,
we've
been
working
with
I
believe
it's
senator
Murphy
up
north.
They
had
a
constituent
that
came
and
talked
about
the
concerns
of
you
know
their
dog
getting
killed
by
another
dog.
We've
had
a
lot
of
that.
Last
year
we
had
multiple
cases
more
than
I've,
seen
in
my
18
years
here
of
doggone
dog
aggression.
R
I
think
I
spoke
to
the
committee
some
time
ago
about
the
horrific
incident
that
happened
in
the
city
of
Kankakee
and
and
it's
it's
really
happening
quite
a
bit.
We
just
had
a
one
just
recently
where
a
dog
was
killed
and
this
reckless
owner
language
really
kind
of
puts
the
responsibility
where
it
truly
belongs,
and
that's
what
the
owner
of
the
animal
you
can
diamond
dog
dangerous.
R
You
can
deem
a
dog
vicious,
but
historically
those
owners
are
gonna,
go
out
and
get
another
dog
they're
gonna
be
irresponsible
with
it
and
it's
their
lack
of
responsibility
and
training
their
dog
properly,
maintaining
it
properly.
So
we're
really
hopeful
that
this
language
will
get
established
and
put
the
responsibility
where
it
belongs
and
that's
with
the
owners
that
are
acting
recklessly
so
word
and
support
of
that
too.
Mr.
H
R
S
R
S
We've
been
talking
about
making
sure
that
the
health
records
transfer
with
the
animals,
especially
intrastate
and
interstate.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
shelters
are
complying
with
that
that
those
are
transferred
with
the
animal,
but
I.
Don't
think
we've
not
talked
about
this
yet
I
mean
this
is
something
that
we'll
probably
talk
about
next
week.
Sure
and.
R
R
G
R
See
if
we
you
know,
we
can
be
supportive
of
these
things,
but
yes,
dr.
Wagner
Wagner
excuse
me,
has
done
a
lot
of
work
and
research
and
trying
to
help
advise
the
shelters
of
some
of
the
the
laws
and
the
permits
that
they
didn't
realize
that
they
need
to
have
when
they're
transporting
animals.
I
can
tell
you
locally.
We
have
a
disclosure
law
through
the
state
that
any
animal
that
we
transfer
from
our
shelter
to
another
shelter.
We
have
to
have
a
disclosure
saying
what
when,
where,
where
it
went,
what
we
gave.
R
We
often
don't
see
that
with
other
shelters,
I
can
only
police
myself
on
that.
I
can
tell
you
that
one
shelter
didn't
realize
what
animal
control
didn't
realize,
just
how
important
that
was
and
send
an
animal
somewhere
else.
They
got
fined
by
the
Department
of
Act.
For
that
and
it
wasn't
a
blatant.
You
know
it
was
just
an
oversight.
I
guess.
H
My
point
is:
is
this
54
77
is
is
exactly
why
we
formed
this
committee
was
to
take
a
look
at
these
types
of
things
and
to
provide
input
before
this
committee
makes
a
decision
on
it
now,
I'm,
not
going
to
say
we
will
always
go
in
line
with
what
that
committee
would
say.
I
think
we
would
want
to
hear
the
facts
and
that
there
is
a
recommendation
to
support
or
not
to
support.
H
We
would
listen
to
that
and
the
reasons
why,
but
it
makes
it
hard
for
me
to
make
that
decision
when
that
community
is
not
represented
here
today,
to
tell
us
how
they
feel
about
it.
So,
and
it's
that's
not
a
chastising
statement,
it
would
be
if
we
support
this
I
would
like
for
the
full
board.
If
we
do
a
letter
of
recommendation
or
whatever
I
would
like
to
have
whether
it's
an
email
poll
that
goes
out
to
the
to
those
committee,
members
or
whatever
else,
to
see
what
their
thoughts
are.
Questions
as.
H
R
It's
just
really
documentation
of
numbers
being
being
accountable
for
what
you're
bringing
in
and
where
you
know
what
you're
doing
with
it.
We
are
we,
you
know
I,
do
that.
Every
month
to
this
committee
and
and
that's
seen
to
the
boards,
some
of
the
private
shelters,
you
know
whether
they're
putting
that
out
to
their
own
boards,
but
they
really
don't
have
anybody
else
they
answer
to,
except
to
the
Department
of
Ag.
We
have
Fayed
over
the
years.
R
Our
state
organization
has
fired
those
records
and
it's
surprising
the
amount
of
shelters
that
turn
in
no
data
whatsoever,
but
they
still
get
their
license
or
like
I,
think
I
might
not
get
my
license.
If
I
don't
do
that,
but,
like
I
said
we
take
care
of
ourselves
and
I
think
we're.
You
know
we're
happy
about
this
language.
Is
this
something
since
the
Advisory
Committee
will
be
meeting
prior
to
the
board
meeting?
R
B
H
D
H
S
Was
in
discussion
about
when
dr.
Wagner
did
present
this,
it's
an
eye-opener
for
many
of
the
people
that
were
on
on
the
advisory
committee
and
also
for
the
shelters
that
especially
54
77,
that
it
is
going
to
be
something
that
I'm
sure
that
we're
going
to
support.
I
can't
speak
for
everyone,
but
it
will
be
very
a
good
discussion.
I
can
guarantee
you
that.
C
D
H
B
B
D
R
F
R
Will
be
they
talk
about
revoking
all
seizing
all
animals
if
they're
found
reckless,
they
have
to
give
up
their
animals,
they
can't
have
animals
for
a
minimum
period
of
time.
You
know
it
has
been
talked
about
to
make
that
an
undetermined
amount
of
time
that
a
judge
would
set
that
I'm
sure
there's
still
a
lot
of
discussion
going
on
with
this
bill
and
I
would
anticipate
as
most
bills.
You'll
get
an
amendment
here
there,
but
I
think
it's
a
good
language
and
it's
time
to
make
sure
that
we
are
holding
these
folks
accountable.
R
I
can
tell
you
that
the
dogs
that
I've
had
to
take
the
time
and
effort
to
go
to
court
in
front
of
a
judge
to
deem
vicious
one
dog
in
particular
state
in
our
shelter,
for
probably
five
or
six
months.
It's
the
long
process
we
cared
for
the
animal.
On
that
particular
case.
The
judge
did
deem
the
dog
vicious
but
did
not
deem
it
euthanized.
And
then
the
people
came
back
and
said.
Well,
we
can't
meet
these
provisions,
we
don't
have
any
money
and
they
didn't
come
and
get
the
dog.
So
we
held
that
animal.
R
R
I'm
actually
gonna
jump
forward
to
the
livestock
reimbursement
and
really
I'm
just
briefly
presenting
this
and
would
like
to
talk
more
in
depth
with
the
state's
attorney
on
this
and
bring
it
back
for
really
a
vote
or
more
information
next
month.
But
someone
has
come
forward
and
stated
that
they
had
some
sheep
killed.
They
state
by
dogs.
R
You
know
this
is
something
this
is
an
old
law.
That's
out
there
that
most
of
us,
probably
don't
even
realize
exists.
I
think
many
people
know
that
if
you're
on
a
farm,
if
you
have
livestock
even
chickens,
if
dogs
come
in
harass
your
livestock,
you
have
the
right.
You
have
the
right
to
shoot
them.
It
literally
says
the
owner.
R
R
It's
like
they're,
not
my
dogs,
but
I,
think
this
law
has
been
out
there
for
a
really
really
long
time
back
when
animal
control
was
first
formed
to
try
to
help
the
farmers,
that's
their
livelihood
and
their
livestock,
and
but
I
would
like
to
just
wanted
to
make
you
aware
of
it
and
let
you
know
that
I
would
like
to
sit
down
and
discuss
this
further
with
the
state's
attorney
and
get
some
some
good
opinions
on
this
particular
case
and
bring
him
back
next
month.
R
J
R
I'm
a
little
bit
excited
about
this.
That
question
always
comes.
We
have
a
property
update.
Do
I,
you
know,
have
a
talk
to
an
architect
what's
going
on,
and
you
know
a
lot
of
the
questions
asked
of
me:
I'm,
not
an
architect,
so
I
don't
have
those
answers.
So
I
have
a
proposal
from
a
local
architect.
R
R
This
person
can
help
us
lay
that
out
so
that
I
can
come
back
to
the
committee
and
report.
This
is
what
we
want
to
do.
This
is
really
what
it's
gonna
cost.
This
is
what
we're
gonna
need
and
I
think
it's
it's
a
tool
and
a
resource
that
we'll
be
able
to
help
us
in
our
fundraising
endeavors.
The
president
of
bark
is
here
with
us
today,
she's
in
the
back,
Abby,
Smith
and
I
know.
R
This
is
something
that
we
talk
about
quite
often
in
fundraising,
and
you
know
asking
the
community
for
support
and
for
help
and
I.
You
know
they
often
a
few
years
ago.
The
question
was
always
asked:
well
where's
it
gonna
be,
and
we
didn't
have
that
I
would
always
kind
of
hang
my
head
a
little
bit
and
go
and
we
don't
have
property
yet
well.
We
do
you
know.
We've
made
that
step.
We
have
that
property
secured
and
I'm
real,
proud
to
say
that.
R
R
Some
real
concrete
numbers
and
a
color
rendering
so
that
we
can
go
out
and
use
this
tool
to
help
us
get
to
this
goal
before
our
building
completely
falls
down
the
design
phase.
And
if
I
may,
you
know
talk
about
the
the
cost
that
he
is
is
requesting.
Is
that
not
something
to
ask
for
the
executive
or
okay.
R
The
design
phase
that
the
cost
that
he
has
asked
for
his
$3,500
and
in
that
phase
he
would
include
the
development
of
the
building
floor
plan,
master
site
plan,
floor
plan,
building,
elevations
for
review
and
evaluation,
and
also
subsequent
inclusion
of
the
construction
drawings.
In
addition,
three-dimensional
renderings
would
also
be
included
for
the
$3,500.
R
That
I
think
is
one
of
the
biggest
things
that
we
need
that
first
step,
he
has
construction
documentation
with
the
project's
design
established.
He
would
prepare
final
documents
for
permit
bidding
and
construction
selection
of
interior
and
exterior
materials
will
be
made
in
conjunction
with
the
owners
requirements.
R
R
Included
for
an
anticipation,
pre-engineering,
steel
building
construction,
so
he's
got
it
laid
out
here
pretty.
Well,
then
he
talks
about
a
construction
phase.
The
services,
if
requested
by
clients
such
as
contractor
bidding
and
negotiations,
periodic
site
visits,
meeting
with
contractor
review
of
pay
requests
issuance
of
clarifications
to
the
documents
and
other
services
may
be
needed.
Those
would
be
$75
an
hour
not
to
exceed
$2,500
and,
as
I
understand
that
this
is
not
something
that
has
to
be
done
in
one
lump
sum.
We
could
take
step
one
of
the
design
phase
and
start
their.
K
H
R
I
would
use
our
animal
control
fund
or
our
tip
fund
I
think
we
have
adequate
money
in
our
animal
control
fund,
probably
without
even
touching
our
tiptip
fund
and
be
able
to
use
that
fun
to
do
that,
I
mean
certainly
it's
nothing
that
would
come
from
the
county,
general
fund
or
any
of
those
monies.
So
I.
H
H
S
I
like
to
agree
with
mr.
wheeler,
because
this
is
a
valuable
tool
in
fundraising.
Efforts
for
the
building
people
do
want
to
see
something
where
we're
going
or
we
need
to
see
plans
instead
of
oh
yeah,
we're
going
to
get
around
to
it
now,
with
this
I
think
is
going
to
increase
the
fundraising
efforts
of
the
park
and
possibly
other
donors
that
would
just
like
to
donate
to
help
with
this
cause.
I
agree.
B
A
Have
you
looked
around
at
other
facilities
that
are
out
there
built
and
possibly
be
able
to
buy
a
plan?
That's
already
done.
I
know
that
that
can
be
a
lot.
Cheaper.
I
know
that
there's
schools
out
there,
the
schools
who
hire
an
architect
and
draw
out
a
big
ole,
fancy
school.
Then
there's
issues
with
that
school,
where,
if
you
find
a
building
that
already
has
plans
that
people
are
already
in
it
there,
they
could
say
what
they
would
change
about
the
building.
A
B
R
I
believe
that
you
know
it's
it's
step
one
trying
to
get
an
idea,
a
site
plan,
the
color
renderings,
and
to
answer
your
question.
The
there
are
organizations
out
there.
I
was
at
a
conference
in
Portland
a
couple
years
ago
and
talked
to
gentlemen
from
place
called
shelter
planners
of
America.
He
told
me
to
come
back
to
him
when
I
had
a
million
dollars
in
my
hand,
what
and
that's
what
they
do
is
design
shelters.
So
I,
really
you
know
it
wasn't.
R
Even
approachable
I
can
tell
you
that
this
gentleman
has
designed
three
local
animal
hospitals
here
in
our
county,
the
VCA
County
West,
the
new
South
Creek
Hospital
in
Manteno
and
the
natural
pet
clinic
in
bourbon
a
that
sits
behind
the
David
Bruce
Auto
Center.
He
was
the
architect
for
those
three,
so
I
think
he's
he's
gotten.
R
Some
experience
under
his
belt,
I've
always
been
told
I
mean
I've,
been
I've,
been
looking
at
this
project
for
18
years
and
visiting
other
shelters
and
talking
to
them
and
and
listening
to
you
know
what
what
they
did
and
what
they
didn't
like
and
and
what
they
you
know
said.
You
know
make
sure
you
have
this,
make
sure
your
you're
worried
more
about
your
air
quality
exchange
and
your
sewage.
R
Then
you
are
the
fancy
exterior
of
the
building,
because
that
that's
a
huge
difference
between
building
and
bank
or
building
some
offices
and
building
a
shelter,
that's
going
to
house
and
care
for
animals
and
animal
disease
and
animal
waste
and
I
think
he's
gotten
some
experience
under
his
belt
on
that.
So.
T
Yes,
thank
you,
I
think.
Typically,
the
renderings
go
hand-in-hand
with
the
blueprint.
It's
not
something
that
you
do
the
renderings
first
and
then
you
create
what's
going
to
go
inside
of
it.
Usually
when
you
buy
a
set
of
blueprints
on
the
cover
of
that,
usually
is
the
rendering
so
I
mean
it
usually
all
goes
hand
in
hand,
and
you
can
create
and
change
like
she
said.
T
What's
going
to
be
on
the
exterior,
you
could
make
it
look
like
the
Taj
Mahal
or
it
could
look
like
a
steel
building,
but
I
mean
it's
still,
I
think
having
the
rendering
I
think
Jeff
also
dealing
with
him
for
probably
the
past
18
years.
I
think
he's
definitely
very
capable
of
doing
whatever
we
need
for
him
to
do
whether
this
price
is
a
high
or
low
price
that
I'm
not
familiar
with,
but
I,
think
I
think
having
something
in
place,
as
Miss
Parker
said
and
Julie
said,
I
think
for
event.
T
Future
events
that
are
going
to
take
place
to
raise
funds
I
think
it's.
It's
really
important
and
honestly
I
think
it
might
be
possible
to
bring
in
the
Kankakee
Career
Center,
because
through
the
Home
Builders
Association
for
many
years,
we
did
3d
plans
that
those
students
and
I
think
Jeff
Humphrey
would
probably
hop
on
board.
Since
we
no
longer
doing
that
to
see
make
part
of
his
curriculum,
he
made
our
3d
houses
part
of
his
curriculum.
T
U
R
And
I
guess
that
was
off-putting
to
me,
I,
understand
and-
and
that
was
one
of
the
first
things
mr.
jarvis
asked
me.
What
do
you
think
it's
gonna
take
to
build
this
and
I
said
probably
about
a
million
dollars,
and
I
told
him
you
know
what
we
have
between
our
organization
and
the
park
organization
and
what
we've
been
doing
and
the
position
of
the
county
that
you
know
they're
not
available
to
help
us
at
this
time,
and
he
appreciated
the
fact
that
I
was
being
realistic
on
the
cost.
U
R
R
R
F
B
R
R
Really
needed,
and
so
every
third
Thursday
of
the
month
from
4:30
to
6:30,
we
will
be
offering
microchips
for
15
dollars.
We
are
encouraging
people
to
make
an
appointment.
Well,
walk-ins
are
welcome.
They
may
have
to
wait
a
little
bit
on
May
12th.
We
will
also
be
participating
with
the
manteno
FFA
wags
walks
for
wags
or
walks
and
wags
will
be
offering
microchips
there
as
well.
R
If
you
would
like
to
have
a
four-legged
friend
and
you
want
to
get
out
and
walk
them
join
us
join
the
FFA
there
on
May
12th
and
Kelley
Blue,
my
shelter
managers
in
the
back,
and
you
tell
me
the
name
of
that
Park
I
know.
What's
kids
along
57,
there
and
I
always
forget
the
name
of
the
park
in
Manteno,
but
it's
on
our
website.
It's
on
our
Facebook
page
check
that
out.
Oh.
F
R
There
were
several
sheep
that
the
farmer
lost,
and
you
know
I
years
ago,
I
said
there:
I
have
an
old
form,
I
think
I.
Have
it
with
me
in
it's
things
have
changed
quite
a
bit.
I
remember,
taking
I,
believe
I
brought
it.
Maybe
I
didn't
I
might
not
have
I,
took
this
form
down
to
the
Department
of
Ag
one
time
and
showed
it
to
dr.
Ernst
and
he's
like
I
have
never
seen
such
a
thing.
It's
old,
it's
yellow,
it's
calligraphy
and
I.
Think
a
chicken
went
for
a
dollar
I.
R
Think
a
sheep
went
for
$30.
Well
now
it's
more
market
value
and
I
contacted
the
is
at
the
Benjamin
livestock
facility
in
Peotone.
I
might
be
saying
the
name
wrong
and
got
an
average
price
of
what
sheep
would
go
for,
and
you
know
we're
talking
close
to
a
thousand
dollars.
You
know
for
the
for
the
whole
claim
yeah,
but
if,
if
somebody
were
to
lose
a
show
horse,
oh.
D
B
C
A
T
B
S
You,
mr.
chairman,
before
you
I,
have
set
it's
a
little
bit
of
what
a
whack
as
we
call
it
a
whack
or,
as
chairman
wheeler
call
us
at
puppies
and
kitties
committee.
Finally,
he
calls
it
that
we
began
in
September
of
last
year
and
very
passionate
group,
a
collective
unit
of
shelters
and
wildlife
care.
S
You
can
see
we
wrote
a
mission
statement
of
what
we
our
goal
is
and
then
below
that
in
the
Roman
numeral
outline
will
be
an
outline
of
what
our
scope
of
work
is
and
when
we
started
this,
we
we
sat
down
with
the
chairman
and
decided
what
exactly
this
committee
needed
to
do,
and
then
we
met
with
the
committee
after
interviews
with
them
and
I'm,
proud
to
say
right
now
we
do
have
miss
him
sue.
Who
is
part
of
our
committee
right
there
Karen
Hamza
Karen?
Would
you
like
to
tell
everyone
what
organization
you
represent?
S
N
S
You
can
see
from
the
members
that
were
a
very
diverse
group
of
people
who
represent
our
furry
friends.
One
of
the
things
that
we
have
been
discussing
has
been
and
working
with
the
state's
attorney's
office
and
with
Julie,
and
some
issues
here
has
been
I.
Think
one
of
the
overlooked
issue
has
been
at
the
swap
meet
that's
held
once
a
month
at
the
Kankakee
County
Fairgrounds.
S
We
do
understand
that
there
have
been
some
sales
of
cats
and
dogs
that
may
not
be
the
most
healthy.
Is
that
the
word
I
want
to
use
I?
Don't
want
it,
not
a
healthy
choice
to
purchase
an
animal
at
the
swap
meet,
but
we
have
worked
with
the
animal
control
and
mr.
Quinn
in
putting
together
an
ordinance
that
we
would
like
to
present
to
this
committee.
The
first
is
a
swap
meet
of
the
dogs
and
cats,
and,
if
maybe
mr.
Quinn,
if
you
could
please
explain
the
language
and
the
overall
essence
of
this,
the.
B
V
V
Peter,
yes,
oops,
it
keeps
it
easy
and
in
terms
of
what
the
the
ordinance
itself
does,
it
completely
prohibits
the
sale
of
dogs
and
cats
at
swap
meets
and
the
ordinance
would
define
a
swap
meet
as
a
flea
market,
a
swap
made,
which
will
be
open
to
general
public
or
composed
or
enclosed
semi-enclosed.
Outdoor
stalls
stands
spaces
rented
or
leased
to
persons
on
a
temporary
basis
for
the
purpose
of
display
and
sale
barter
and
exchange
of
new
and
used
merchandise.
So
we
tried
to
make
that
language
as
open
as
possible.
D
N
I'll
just
tell
you
what
I
know
and
then
maybe
Julie
can
elaborate,
because
she
is
probably
knows
more
and
has
been
there
a
lot
more
often
because
of
a
lot
of
animal
issues
at
the
Swap,
but
basically
it's
not
being
policed
at
all.
So
you
have
puppies
and
kittens
under
8
weeks
old,
which
is
against
state
law
being
sold
they're,
not
in
good
health
they're,
coming
over
state
lines
without
any
kind
of
health
certificates
or
regulations.
N
What
it's
been
observed
that
they're
not
being
cared
for,
while
at
the
Swap
you
know
they're,
cold,
they're,
hot
lacking
food
or
water
in
front
of
them.
Another
concern
is
stolen
dogs
being
sold
like
privately
owned
dogs
being
picked
up
taken
to
the
swap
and
then
sold.
So
it's
not
been
originally
meant
for
dogs
and
cats.
It
was
a
bird
swap,
but
it's
kind
of
just
fun
open
to
almost
any
animal.
Now
yeah,
it's
really
ballooned
into
out
of
control.
I,
don't
think
the
manager
of
the
swap
is
doing
the
paperwork
properly.
R
I
pretty
much
mimic
what
Karen
has
said:
I've
been
to
the
swap
meet
several
times:
I've
been
there
on
behalf
of
the
Department
of
Ag,
when
they've
asked
me
to
go,
we've
been
there
ourselves
when
people
have
complained,
and
yes,
as
I've
spoke
with
the
pinnin,
pigeon
and
banham
Club,
who
I
believe
is
oversees
this
or
runs
this
swap
meet
and
I.
Think
that's
what
it
originally
started,
as
was
a
bird
swap
and
it
has
grown
into
swap
and
sale
of
anything
and
everything.
R
I
can
tell
you
that
I've
seen
people
out
there
that
have
presented
their
animals
in
a
good
way
and
they're,
mindful
of
how
they
transport
their
animals,
how
they
care
for
the
animals,
whether
it's
hot
or
cold.
But
what
I've
seen
a
lot
of
excess
of
is
the
other
side
of
that
where
people
are
really
not
caring
for
the
animals.
Well,
they're,
not
transporting
them.
Well,
you
know.
R
You
don't
know
for
one
who
you're
selling
them
to
people
that
are
buying
them,
don't
know
where
they're
coming
from
they're
coming
across
state
lines,
without
health
certificates.
Looking
at
the
definition
and
the
law
regarding
swap
meets,
they
are
supposed
to
be
tracking
every
animal
species,
an
animal
number
of
animals
that
come
into
that
swap
meet
and
then
getting
a
record
of
every
animal
that
is
swapped
and
transferred
and
reporting
that
to
the
Department
of
Ag.
B
H
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
that
the
things
that
have
come
up
today
are
the
exact
reasons
that
we
asked
to
have
this
committee
established.
It
was
to
start
off
with
the
things
that
everybody
agreed
on
and
that
would
have
the
most
impact
and
have
Julie
advising
as
a
non-voting
member
of
this
committee
to
be
able
to
be
that
that
that
studying
force
on
what
the
local
situation
is
in
the
law,
but
having
a
horse
on
the
race
pun
intended,
but
not
necessarily
directing
what
the
committee
does
and
it
was
there
any
dissenting
vote.
S
D
V
T
K
T
G
V
In
theory,
I
would
imagine
it
would
I
just
left
that
language
in
there
in
case
we
wanted
the
flexibility
of
sanctioning
events
in
the
future,
but
my
thought
process
was
also
things
like
her
microchip
affair
she's
mentioned
today
or
vaccination
affair.
I
know
there's
no
sales
of
animals
going
on
at
those
events,
but
I
didn't
want
to
prohibit
it.
If
we
wanted
to
open
it
up
to
something
like
that.
Basically,
our
concern
as
a
whole
is
unregulated
on
untested
sales
of
dogs
and
cats.
When
I
brought
this
to
Jim
Rose
attention,
he
went
out.
V
There
took
pictures
of
the
event
and
immediately
said
I,
don't
know
it
was
dozens
Julie's
seen
the
pictures
I,
unfortunately
haven't,
but
many
pictures
to
my
colleague
in
our
animal
cruelty,
criminal
prosecution
unit
and
I-
don't
know
where
those
are
but
I
know
she
was
certainly
looking
at
filing
charges
in
some.
Wasn't
that
bad
out
there
that.
B
R
Think
that
if
this
is
passed,
then
that's
going
to
be
it's
going
to
be
added
on
to
the
the
duty
of
the
officer
on
call
or
because
it
only
happens
once
a
month
for
so
many
months
out
of
the
year
unless
something
pops
up
in
somebody's
advises
us
of
it
we'll
handle
that
within
our
staff
and
my
shelter,
manager
and
I
have
gone
to
already
this
year.
We
you
know,
do
that.
R
Situation,
the
dog
day
event
the
dog
day,
has
been
around
and
does
a
really
great
job
of
all
kinds
of
great
activities.
But
I
can
tell
you
I've
been
there
and
had
people
trying
to
sell
dogs
and
had
the
event
director
come
up
to
me
and
say
you
need
to
go,
stop
them
and
tell
them
to
leave.
So
I
think
that
this
would
apply.
T
There
will
be
another
swapmeet
before
our
next
County
Board
meeting.
Yes,
here
well
they're
the
first
Sunday
of
every
month,
and
you
need
to
go
early
like
with
flashlights
at
4
or
5
o'clock.
There
are
people
lining
up
not
to
necessarily
buy
well
probably
to
buy,
but
the
ones
that
are
there
to
sell
and
not
cats
and
dogs.
But,
as
she
said
in.
B
S
T
F
V
F
To
get
an
enforcement
one
of
the
things,
it
seems
crazy,
but
I've
been
watching
a
lot
of
these
shows
these
animal
shows
on
TV
and
a
lot
of
the
animal
problems
that
come
into
those
vets.
Are
purchases
such
as
this?
You
know
the
kids,
see
this
little
dog
or
cat
or
rabbit
or
something
they
think
it's
wonderful.
They
talk
mom
and
dad
into
buying
it.
They
go
home
and
pretty
soon
that
animal
has
problems
and
they
take
it
to
the
vet
and
many
things
that
should
have
been
done.
F
B
W
B
Agree,
sir,
what
what
I
can
know
and
I
am
I'm
going
to
invite
you
to
the
next
a
wack
Club?
No,
this
isn't
this,
isn't
the
done
vote.
Okay,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
you're
aware
this
is
just
moving
this
on
to
the
full
board
for
to
to
where
they
will
approve
it
or
deny
it
at
that
time.
This
is
just
coming
through
committee,
sir.
B
S
S
L
B
The
petshop
ordinance
and
the
yeah
I
am
out
of
order
here
we
go.
The
title
of
the
pet
shop.
Ordinance
is
an
ordinance
restricting
the
sale
of
dogs
and
cats
and
then
at
the
third,
whereas,
instead
of
saying
prohibiting
it
says,
restricting
or
it
should
say,
yeah
it
says
prohibiting,
but
it's
gonna
say
it's
gonna
say
restrict
your.
It
says.
B
S
This
was
Thank
You
mr.
chair.
This
has
been
another
of
our
concerns
about
animals
being
brought
into
basically
puppy
mill
or
puppy
cats,
whatever
mills
that
come
into
these
pet
shops
and
again
we
have
a
lot
of
the
health
problems,
the
animals
not
being
taken
care
of
and
as
well
as
the
health
record,
not
being
with
the
animal
as
well
and
again,
going
back
to
what
mr.
Wheeler
said
and
mr.
Vickery
said
that
a
lot
of
sad
families
after
a
few
months
of
having
a
very
sick
animal.
V
I
am
I
on.
You
are
look
at
that.
Just
want
to
clear
one
thing
up
that
mr.
Parker's
did
say
as
far
as
I'm
aware
and
Julie,
please
go
through
the
correct
me
here:
it
won't
impact
any
current
pet
shop.
That's
in
our
jurisdiction,
as
it
is
right
now.
We
wanted
to
pass
this
as
a
preventative
measure
again,
because
you
don't
they
get
crafty,
sometimes
especially
people
with
criminal
background
from
puppy
mills
and
those
kind
of
situations
just
want
to
clear
that
point
up
that
it
doesn't
impact
anything
currently
going
on
it's.
Actually.
V
This
is
easy
to
understand.
It's,
no
pet
store,
she'll,
sell
or
otherwise
transfer
ownership
for
compensation
of
cats
and
dogs
that
doesn't
prohibit
pet
stores.
From
my
thing
there
you
know
the
spaces
like
the
I
would
cages,
but
display
cases
to
nonprofits
to
provide
a
means
to
adopt
them,
doesn't
prevent
that.
It's
just
the
sale
of
and
in
the
ordinance
itself,
defines
what
so
I've
got
myself
all
confused
here.
What
a
pet
shop
is
and
what
it
isn't.
So
we
don't
want
to
restrict
adoption,
agencies
or
shelters
or
anything
like
that
from
transferring
ownership.
S
C
R
V
R
R
I've
gone
into
pet
shops,
with
the
Department
of
Ag,
whom
they've
asked
us
to
assist
them
on
problems,
not
only
just
you
know,
with
sales
of
dogs
and
cats,
but
reptiles
and
such
as
well
and
again,
I
think
it's
it's
well
known
that
when
these
small
pet
shops
are
selling
dogs
and
cats,
they
are
getting
them
from
puppy
mills
and
calories,
and
the
quality
of
animal
that's
coming
in.
There
is
oftentimes
not
very
healthy,
not
well
socialized,
the
puppy
mill
that
was
shut
down
on
route
1
in
2015.
R
That's
the
type
of
that
are
being
mass-produced
and
kept
in
cages,
and
then
you
know,
transported
to
pet
shops
for
sale
and
I.
So
I
think
we're
trying
to
be
proactive
on
this,
and
if
a
pet
shop
wants
to
open,
we
just
want
to
want
them
to
know
that
you
know
we
want
their
pet
supplies,
we
really
don't
want
them.
Peddling
puppy
mill,
dogs
and
cats
that
are
just
mass-produced
in
calories,
mrs.
S
N
Actually
I
was
just
going
to
say
some
of
the
things
that
Julie
just
said,
but
there
there
has
been
incidences
of
puppy
mill,
people
that
have
been
convicted,
setting
up
shop
and
firmly
parking
lot,
and
things
like
this.
You
know
this
will
help
if
that
happens,
that
they
could
be.
You
know
held
accountable.
Mr.
G
R
Yeah,
certainly,
the
trend
is
to
reach
out
to
shelters,
and
you
know
I
can
say-
and
many
of
my
colleagues
and
many
other
shelters
will
tell
you
if
you
have
a
specific
breed
of
an
animal
that
you
you
truly
is
near
and
dear
to
your
heart
or
you
you're,
an
avid
hunter,
so
you're.
Looking
for
a
hunting
dog,
there
are
professional.
R
Reputable
breeders
out
there
that
you're
going
to
be
able
to
get
a
quality
animal
from
the
red
flags
are
somebody
that
wants
to
beat
you
in
a
parking
lot.
They
don't
want
you
coming
to
their
home.
R
They
don't
want
you
meeting
the
mom
and
dad
most
of
your
professional
reputable
breeders
they're,
proud
of
what
they're
doing
they're
doing
it
for
the
betterment
of
the
breed
they're
doing
it,
and
everything
that
they're
doing
goes
back
into
that
animal,
to
help
reduce
disease
and-
and
you
know,
hip
problems
and
eye
problems
and
elbow
problems,
and
you
know
I
recognize
that
there
are
those
folks
out
there
that
are
doing
this
for
professional
reason
and
they're
doing
it
well,
they're,
just
not
as
abundant
as
those
that
are
not
doing
it
well.
Thank.
F
Miss
chairman
now
Julie
makes
a
good
point.
We
got
online
and
found
a
breeder
and
then
the
main
thing
is
is
visit.
The
breeder
and
inquire
about
the
the
heritage
of
the
animal
inbreeding
is
a
very
big
problem,
especially
with
small
dogs.
So
we
tried
to
cover
all
the
bases
in
our
efforts
have
been
successful,
Thank
You
Graham,
so.
V
H
Only
thing
I
have
to
say
is,
as
I
would
hope
that
everybody
that's
in
this
county
or
even
anywhere
else,
would
stop
by
a
local
shelter
first
before
they
start
getting
on
the
Internet
breeders.
We
have
a
big
pet
population
at
our
our
local
shelters
and
animal
control
and
elsewhere.
I
would
rather
see
that
taking
here
at
first,
but
that's
just
me
personally
great.
S
S
Office,
especially
mr.
Quinn,
who
has
been
at
most
of
our
meetings
most
of
the
meetings
and
we're
we've
worked
very
well
with
the
state's
attorney's
office.
So
again,
thank
you
mr.
row
and
mr.
Quinn
appreciate
it
and
miss
Boudreaux.
We
want
to
thank
you,
too,
for
bringing
some
of
this
information
to
our
group
and
our
veterinarians,
who
wanted
to
be
here
today,
but
they
are
performing
surgery,
dr.
federal
at
one
hospital
and
dr.
Wagner
at
another
hospital,
but
they
both
send
their
support
for
this
ordinance.
Okay,.
K
B
Anything
do
I,
have
any
old
business
in
front
of
the
committee.
Don't
have
any
old
business?
Yes,
don't
anybody
leave
till
they
sign.
Do
I
have
any
new
business
in
front
of
the
committee
any
new
business.
Mr.
wheeler,
we
have
a
motion
to
adjourn
so
moved
mr.
Peyton.
Second,
all
in
favor
do
adjourn.
I
will
post
don't
forget
to
sign
this
for
Diane.
Please.