Kankakee County Board, IL County Board Meetings, 11 Jul 2017

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Kankakee County Board Meeting 7/11/2017 9:00AM

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Morning, I'd like to call to order the july 11th kankakee county, full board meeting uh for your invocation, mr jim vickery. This morning,.

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Please join me in the pledge of allegiance.

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Pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic.

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For which it stands, one nation under.

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God, indivisible with liberty and justice for.

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If we could, please get a roll call.

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Mr tripp, mr washington, mr lejes, mr stoffenberg.

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Mr vickery, mr oltof, mr hess, mr solon, mrs polk president, mr mcconnell, mr mulcahy.

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Mr scott president, mr snipes, mr burn president, mr c roy president, mr lear, mr hildebrand president, mr reed, this is weber, mrs reinfeldt,.

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This is peters, mrs evans, mr payton, mr johnson, this is parker. This is dunbar. Mr ritter, president, mr wheeler present.

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We have quorum under public commentary, we have uh wesley suns, please the microphones right back there, sir.

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Morning, everybody morning, I was here a couple weeks ago when they had the buildings administration meeting here, and I brought up some things with the code violations. That's going on in the property. Next to me, I brought up quite a few of them a lot of it's hard to explain without people, seeing what this place looks like there's. A lot of you here know what it looks like uh some of you might know what it's what's going on there.

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I've got some pictures here that I'd like to kind of pass around with people see I highlighted on there some of the things I'll go through um regarding the codes. What I've got to see uh I'd love to be able to bring you in the fresh air. From my place it smells exactly like cow urine, like hundreds of cow urine, it's that disgusting people come over to my house, the first thing they say: wow, you got a nice piece of property here, oh my god. Does it always smell like this?

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It's that bad! You know I've had my mother over for dinner. She left before the grill was done getting hot said. No. I can't stand it here. I can't I mean your food would be contaminated cooking on the grill.

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That's how disgusting it is the flies you come over lock your car up immediately close all the windows, because, if you go back in it'll, be full of flies, I've had a person come over and drop a camper off at my property for a week, so I could repair the hitch on it while he was out of town he'd come back. He said two weeks later, his camper still smells like cows he's been using febreze.

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He goes it's in the insulation, it's inside it it's disgusting yeah, but I've got some pictures here from what I'm showing. I got a couple pictures I one picture of my property is a neighboring property, another picture of the property of the lady across the street, who looks just as nice all well manicured, and then I got the property in question right next door, their privacy fence, uh which is not allowed per code to have this fence a solid fence along a right away.

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The manure running out underneath the privacy fence disgusting runs right into the public right-of-way. I called epa and the first thing they asked me: well, why is the county allowing cows there it's a residential lot as well. I've got I've got a list of excuses for that one, uh the building editions I've been putting on here and calling the county. You know because they just say they don't see it all. The time I've called took in pictures of building editions. Usually it's a new building edition on the weekends when nobody can come out there.

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So you call on monday, you know I'll get to it. I'll come and look at it. I've got a a copy of what the property looked like in 2012. What it looks like in 2015.

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I don't have an overhead view of what it looks like now. It's just going worse. Worse worse, every year, the manure pile there's a manure pile out there as big as a semi, but when I complained about the water runoff onto my property and the health department came out and was taking pictures, they asked. Why are you taking pictures and they mentioned because of all your manure water is running on mr sanz's property?

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They took them into a pile, put a rubber strip, all the way around their fence and pile manure two feet high around it to hold the water back yeah. So now the manure is even closer to my house. You know this is literally disgusting. It's degrading to my property value, degrading to the neighbor's property value.

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Why they don't get permits. Why they're allowed to use the buildings? I'm not sure the code strictly says. If you don't have the occupancy permit in the final inspection, you cannot use that building. Well, they keep adding and adding nobody's ever looked at a single building out there, the code inspection. There is no code inspections out there. They complained about defenses and they said it's farm fence. I got uh I'll go through a couple here: uh the code violations there's at least ten ten years. I got no results, the health issues.

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You know my septic had to be 150 feet from my well 150 feet. The other way, there's a pile of common or 10 feet, high running downhill onto my property. Well, they blocked it off now, but you think that doesn't go on my well.

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The fencing is not it's supposed to be finished side out, there's no finished side, there's no finish side in or out on those fences, they're putting up the solid fence, they're not allowed the horses they're allowed one horse per acre, they have five acres, they've got at least 20 horses in the barn. I've been complaining about that for 10 years the cattle started out as two or three then a rodeo, then five or ten. Now there's 40 out there, the porta potties they got probably 15 people living in that house. They built the building.

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The last building they got a permit for is on top of the septic field, and I got papers coming to shield out, but uh so their septic probably isn't working they've had porta potties there. I called the health department, they said. Well, we can't go on the property unless we're invited.

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So when the guy said, why are you taking pictures? That's when he said? Oh, you know they said well come on our property. We can show you, you know, and he went over there and I said okay you're invited ask him about the porta potties. I called him a couple days later. I forgot to ask him about that, but well when their porta-potties are full, they pick it up with a bobcat and take it out in the cow pasture about 100 feet away from my house and dump them and go send them back over there.

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This been going on for years. The flies is disgusting, yeah, yeah and I've been to the car department. I got a list of excuses. It's three pages, one of them. It's a farm. No, it's not a farm. It's zoned, a2! It's a residential estate in an agricultural district, you're the code officer. You should know that the.

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Oh and he said, okay not allowed to have cattle, but those are exotic animals. So there's a stipulation where they're about exotic animals says cows in there. Well, I can see a exotic cow, you know long curly horns or a little fuzzy cow or something there's 40 to 50 cows. Out there. That's not exotic animals, it's livestock and the code strictly says no livestock next excuse I'll, look into it. I'll get back to you. When I'm talking about the buildings you know but and we've had budget cuts, we don't have as many people budget cuts.

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That's a big thing. I've had budget cuts too a lot of them, and if I came to the counties, I can't pay my property taxes, this staff, because I got budget cuts. I can't afford them who wouldn't fly.

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If I didn't do my job, where I'm at I wouldn't have a job can't go, he said he can't go on the property unless they're invited they were invited in the manure. When I called the health department about that, they said they don't handle livestock waste. Only human waste called the epa. They call the epa, they give me the same answer: why are they allowed livestock and they'll look into it? You know, that's that's, mr.

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Suns, we do have a five minute limit if you could wrap it up. Please, and we appreciate your commentary. Okay,.

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But I'd like to just hear you look at these pictures, though, see what I'm got there, but you can't see the smell, but.

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The I can't give you this it's in rural moments in a moment's township. Is it a moments? Township, okay, it's in moments, township! Yes!

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Thank you, sir. Thank you.

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If anybody would like information about the situation, we did discuss it at pza last month that the video is online and then, if uh any members of that committee would like to see it on the agenda for further explanation, just let me and mr oltof know, but I think a lot of the questions you may have were discussed at the end of that meeting. So let me know if there's any further questions. Thank you.

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Moving on under communications, known today, uh presentations we have a proclamation honoring george grasso's years of service on the limestone township fire protection district board. Mr clark, if you could please read that into the record.

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The proclamation of the county board of kinky county illinois, a proclamation in recognition of george grasso for his incredible service to the limestone township fire protection district, whereas the kanke county board congratulates george grasso on his nearly 60 years of service to the limestone township fire protection district.

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Whereas mr grosso began his service november of 1958 as a rookie firefighter and served with dedication until he was appointed a trustee to the district in 1981 and whereas mr grossa would often take time away from his business to respond to fire alarms, including the week-long philips, petroleum gas. Well, the limestone school and the crescent city train derailment, whereas mr grosso also participated in two fire station.

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Remodels, an expansion as well as the construction of a new station on illinois route, 17 just west of kankakee, whereas the kanke county board recognized the outstanding achievement, excellence, tradition and leadership and congratulates george grosso and his incredible achievements and service. Now, therefore be proclaimed by the kinky county board that it recognizes and congratulates george grasso for his 59 years of service to the limestone township fire protection district. We congratulate him on his recent retirement.

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Thank you, mr clark. I need a motion to approve please mr snipes. Second, mr hess, all those in favor all right. Those opposed thank you is uh mr grosso here today.

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All right, we didn't seem to get him here today, but we'll make sure he gets that proclamation in hand that was at the nomination of the fire protection district. So we do. We appreciate your service, no vacancy appointments to announce at this time, certificates of recognition, richard ball, 15 years at the sheriff's department, gene vinke, 15 years at the sheriff's department, deborah kolasar jazerski, 15 years at the circuit clerk and randy bertrand 40 years at the highway department. Randy are you here? Yes, he is join me over here. Please.

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uh Randy works in our maintenance department. I can't believe it's been 40 years. He runs our sign, striping crew and has talents in keeping the fleet looking fresh with his auto body. Talents and randy on behalf of the highway department, appreciate your service.

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Moving on minutes of the last meeting june 13 2017, I need a motion to approve the minutes. Mr payton, second, mr oltof, all those in favor those opposed motion carries also need a motion to approve the amended executive session minutes that we approved at the june 13 2017 county board meeting we released executive session minutes. They needed to be amended to clean up some language, so, mr washington, second, mr mcconnell, all those in favor.

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Those opposed motion carries claims committee report.

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Mr all, right as of may 31 2017, mr chairman members of the county board, your committee on county claims would beg leave to report. They have examined the following claims presented in recommended payment.

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The clerk is hereby authorized and directed to issue orders to the several claimants payable out of the fund as follows: for the general fund, seven hundred twenty five thousand two hundred fourteen dollars and seventy seven cents, all the funds, three million two hundred sixty five thousand fifty six dollars and sixty eight cents total for the month of may 2017, 3 million, 990, 271 dollars and 45 cents for the highway fund, 335 thousand 172 dollars and eight cents, all other funds, seven hundred seven dollars and fourteen cents total for the month of may 2017, one million one hundred seventy three thousand nine hundred forty nine dollars and twenty two cents, all of which is respectfully submitted by mr adjust, mr payton, mr hess, mr siroi, mr washington, mr vickery, mr mulcahy, ms weber and mr wheeler.

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Alrighty need a motion to approve please mr burns. Second, mr victory. uh That will be a roll call vote. Please.

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Mr tripp aye mr washington aye mr ledges, mr vickery, mr oltof, mr hess aye, mr thulin, mrs polk mcconnell, mr scott, mr snipes, mr byrne aye, mr siroi, mr hildebrand knife, mrs weber,.

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This is peters mrs evans, mr payton aye, mr johnson. This is parker. Miss dunbar, mr ritter, aye, mr wheeler.

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Aye motion carries uh the department reports. I need a motion to combine and accept the reports. Ms dunbar. Second, mr johnson, uh we need to read these in the record. Please.

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The county collectors monthly report we have examined the may 31st 2017 monthly report of the ex-officio county, collector into the best of our knowledge fund, to be true and correct: total cash and banks and investment of 6 million 347 588.31.

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The county, treasurer's monthly report we've examined the may 31st 2017 monthly part of the county treasurer and to the best of our knowledge, find it to be true and correct: total checking accounts of uh eight million six hundred sixty seven thousand nine hundred sixty three dollars and fifty four cents, general fund deficit of five million, one hundred thirty, five thousand hundred thirty nine dollars and ninety seven cents.

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The coroner's report for the month of may total calls there were 99, 23 corner cases, 13, autopsies, 13, toxicology, three x-rays, 62 cremations and the coroner's monthly main income. Summary report for 2017 total of 5 360.

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The circuit clerks report for april.

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I think this list april and may I just show uh from april 28 2017 to may 31st 2017 may month in checks- are sixteen thousand are five hundred sixteen thousand four hundred eighty two dollars and ninety eight cents.

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That's the may report. The uh april uh 2017 recorders monthly report, balance of april 2017 disbursement fees paid to the county trade of 89 378.75.

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The may 2017 county recorders monthly report disbursement fee is paid to the county, treasurer of 123 487.87.

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The county clerk's report for the month of april 2017 total fees of 29, 206. and 70 cents. The county clerk's report for the month of may 2017 fees of 29 521.39.

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The animal control report for the month of april 2017 there were a total fund submitted to the treasure of one thousand three hundred sixty five dollars: uh ninety seven dollars and twenty seven cents in the building fund, and there were eighty animals handled for the animal control report for the month of may 2017, a total amount of uh five hundred ninety three dollars and fifty cent cents in fifty cents uh there were 104 animals handled and if tip building fund was nothing the billing report.

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For the month of may 2017, there were 80 permits issued in the amount of twenty three thousand eight hundred four dollars: extra fees of five thousand hundred forty eight dollars, a total amount of twenty eight thousand nine hundred fifty two dollars.

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The uh monthly resolution list from the county trustee uh for july 2017 is uh placed on file in the uh iroquois uh regional superintendent's report. I greg murphy, iroquois, kinky, regional superintendent of schools, who solemnly swear that the attached report is a true statement of receipts and disbursements of the county support funds and my office for the quarter. Ending may 31 2017 is placed on file.

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Thank you, mr clark. We have a motion in a second any questions. All those in favor. Those opposed motion carries uh committee presentations resolutions on the consent agenda is there anything anybody would like removed from the consent agenda. Ask again anything to remove.

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Third time anything to remove- and I guess I need a motion to combine and approve mr vickery second, mr tholen, we could uh read those into the record. Please.

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The adoption of increases to animal control, impoundment fees based on the bellwether llc study of the declaration of highway equipment highway department equipment is surplus property.

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The zba case 1701 special permit section to a1 agriculture, district and variances to 121-281.

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The ordinance removing the state's attorney as a county ethics advisor the appointment of the honorable kendall, o wenzelman as the kinky county ethics advisor of the appointment of rick manuel to the kanke county, regional planning, commission reappointment of michael donahue to the kinky county, historic preservation. Commission, the re-appointment of kenneth brickman is commissioner to the moments pembroke union drainage district number one.

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The reappointment of jake munion is, commissioner to the moments pembroke union drainage district number, one, the reappointment of paul mao to the cabri area, fire protection district.

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This is uh establishing the holidays for calendar year 2018.

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uh the declarat declaration of surplus wave runners for the kinky county sheriff's department and the approval of the 2016 comprehensive's annual financial report prepared by the outside auditor smith. Dyke for failing in home.

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Alrighty, so I had a motion in a second. I need a roll call vault on that. Please.

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Mr tripp aye mr washington aye mr ledges, mr vickery, mr olta, mr hess aye, mr tholen aye, mrs polk aye, mr mcconnell aye, mr scott aye, mr snipes, mr byrne aye, mr c roy aye, mr hildebrand aye. This is weber, mrs peters, mrs evans, mr payton, mr johnson, mrs parker, ms dunbar, mr ritter, aye, mr wheeler aye,.

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Motion carries moving on to the finance committee, a resolution authorizing the county board chairman to sign a cyber insurance policy with bcs insurance company number 99. uh First, I need a motion to approve mr payton. Second, mr siroi. uh Any discussion. Basically, if you have any questions, this is a policy that covers us on any type of a claim resulting for excuse me a claim that's within our coverage limits resulting from any cyber attack. This is something that the health department does that's required by grants.

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um We looked into the cost of this because of obvious the the turn and the way that people are being ransomed. We know that they tried to to hit us a few years back. We have a pretty good system, we're pretty buttoned up tight, but uh if, if there is some type of an event- and there is a lawsuit- that's a lot of zeros at the end of that lawsuit.

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So um if anybody has any questions, though, be happy to answer them, the actual policy declarations will come after we execute it, but you see the limits that are there in your packet, so yeah. The motion in a second.

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We already got the motion in second, so I need a roll call vote and we're spending money on that. One.

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Mr tripp aye mr washington aye mr lejes, mr vickery aye, mr oleta aye, mr hess stratholman aye, ms pope, mr mcconnell, mr scott aye, mr snipes, mr snipes, mr byrne aye, mr c roy aye, mr hildebrand aye, mrs webber. This is peters.

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This is peters mrs evans, mr payton aye, mr johnson aye, mrs parker.

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Ms dunbar aye, mr ritter, aye mr wheeler.

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Hi the motion carries.

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It is not a russian insurance company by the way, just thought. I'd mention that so moving on uh the amendments to the combined annual budget and appropriation for kankakee county illinois 2016-2017 fiscal year.

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If we could read that one into the record, please.

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Resolution of the county board of kinky county illinois amendments to the combined annual budget and appropriation for kanke county illinois 2016-2017 fiscal year, where's the county board at a special meeting on october 31st 2016.

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What's that had that.

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Review yeah, that's left over from the.

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So it would be the county board meeting or the county finance committee meeting on. If you have a date, we'll need a motion to amend because that's more than a scrivener's error.

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The 628 finance committee meeting is there any other correction.

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No, that's correct. That's correct! That is correct. I'm sorry.

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Okay pilot it get it catches.

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Up yeah, whereas the county boarded a special meeting october, 31st 2016 meeting had reviewed, consider and determined the amounts of money estimated and deemed necessary to meet and defray the legal liabilities and necessary expenses to be incurred by november 30 2017 and further listed specific detailed statements of budgeted item eyes, county expenditures in the tax recommended budget and had caused the recommended budget to be conveniently available to public inspect and pursuant to 55, cs5 6-100 and whereas it has been deemed at the june 28 2017 finance committee meeting that certain amendments are necessary to accurately budget for the remainder of fiscal year 2017, whereas the original fy 2017 budget for expenditures was previously presented and passed at the october 31 2016 county board meeting the approximate amount of 27 million 527 258 for the general fund.

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However, new transactions are now identified, see exhibit a and should be amended to twenty seven million, seven hundred and seven seven hundred thirty. Three thousand seven hundred eighty two dollars now, therefore be ordained by the kinky county board that the attach recommended budget amendments for 2016 2017 is hereby adopted for kinky county illinois. For the fiscal year, beginning december, 1, 2016 and ending november 30th 2017., the committee recommends the adoption of this resolution that were submitted from mr jess, mr washington, mr vickery, mr hess, mr mulcahy, mr siroi, ms weber, mr payton and mr wheeler.

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Just a moment, please, I've got to look at some numbers here.

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There actually is an error on here, the the amount that we appropriated on october 31st 2016 was 24 million, seven 378 forty nine dollars uh they they mixed in the projection. It looks like um so the amount that we did budget for sixteen. Seventeen was twenty four million three hundred seventy eight thousand seven hundred forty nine dollars. Would you consider that a scrivener's there and just got pulled off the wrong column motion to amend ms dunbar? Second, mr lejes, see what I mean.

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That's a voice vote all those in favor all right. Those opposed motion carries just want to make sure the paperwork matches what we're doing alrighty.

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So that being said, let's can I get a motion to approve before we do discussion the amendments, mr washington? Second, mr johnson, all right any questions about what we did in the finance committee meeting. There was a lot of people here that were not weren't on finance. That came to the meeting that were involved in the discussion. So I want to make sure we answer any questions before we move forward.

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Hearing none, I guess we need a roll call vote. Please. Mr.

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Tripp aye mr washington aye mr ledges, mr vickery aye, mr alta aye, mr hess aye, mr tholen aye, mrs polk aye, mr mcconnell aye, mr scutt aye, mr snipes.

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Burn aye, mr c roy aye, mr hildebrand aye. This is weber. This is peters. This is evans, mr payton aye, mr johnson aye. This is parker. This is dunbar. Mr ritter, aye, mr wheeler aye.

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Motion carries thank you. Moving on the waiving of the repayment of the main street moments revolving loan. We could read that in the record.

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Resolution of the county board of kinky county illinois, waiving repayment of the main street moments revolving loan, whereas the kinky county board passed a resolution on may 9.

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1989 approving a revolving loan fund program is authorized by the state of illinois, administration and recapture policy was included, whereas several companies within the county has applied for and received money to help with the startup for maintaining their business and whereas in 2009 main street moments was loaned money in the amount of fifty thousand dollars and used the money to make further smaller loans to organizations and businesses and moments.

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Whereas main street moments continues to use the funds for this purpose and the county board sees value in maintaining their program, whereas the finance committee, its regularly scheduled meeting on june 28 2017 after review and discussion, recommends that the loan to main street moments be converted into a grant and would therefore waive any repayment. Now, therefore, be it resolved by the kinky county board that the 50 000 revolving loan to main street moments is hereby converted into a grant and the county will not see repayment.

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The committee recommends the adoption of this resolution here was submitted, but mr lejest, mr washington, mr vickery, mr house, mr mckay, mr cerroy, ms weber, mr peyton and mr wheeler.

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Thank you. um I guess. First, the motion to approve mr vickery. Second, miss dunbar. um Any questions. um Yes, we'll start with uh mr snipes just a moment. Please.

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I guess man, it's gonna, be two-part, because I see that there's we're raving and writing off, but uh uh while the deaths are being dissolved, the language involved in the dissolution of the debts tends to raise the eyebrow. Why one is being uh uh converted to a grant and the other one just say, uncollectible debt? Why not both uh either being converted or why? The disparity is to the difference.

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I I would, uh I understand the question uh mr rowe had a comment.

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I I I understand your question.

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And there definitely is a difference, but was there any audit undertaken by the county of either of these funds the funds to moments or to um it was a pembroke township to to see how they were being used, whether they were whether the end user was making repayments back to moments or the township.

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uh Yes, uh mr vickery and I met with main street moments. We looked through the books to see what loans that were still outstanding that were being repaid, which ones ended up being bad loans if you will and what was still out there in circulation.

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So we wanted to make sure that if we did say you know this a little background, we have to end the program on the revolving loan fund, because the the federal money that was used from to pass through the state of illinois department of commerce, they ended the program, and so we had to settle up all accounts. We've talked about this in finance, so in the meeting that we had with main street was. Is this still a viable situation? Is this something you guys still use that money for? Is it still out and loan?

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Has it been a good thing, and the answer was yes, as determined in the meeting? That's why we brought it back to the finance committee uh in the situation with hopkins park. It was. It was very different because that was used to purchase furniture and laptop computers back when they were doing the business incubator out there. I have to look at the date but um looks.

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And so that was used as collateral against the loan. So there is no collecting on that loan because the furniture is old and the computers are old and all of that kind of stuff they wouldn't be near the value so that we're just going to write off that debt. So we can approach that at the same time, but it was vastly different situations.

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But it appears that both look as if they were you utilized for one was improvement uh for the power center for purchase, computers and stuff.

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I guess equipment to kind of update and do what they needed to do out there, for whatever reason, the other uh utilize theirs to uh uh to make further small loans to organizations and businesses uh where, if I'm looking at this at first glance I would have, I would just presume I don't want to say assume, because they break that word down, but presume that uh you would uh have gotten a return either from those businesses that they were uh subsidizing with these additional funds. And we it's not it's not.

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uh The argument is not as to the use of them. It is to the uh the the the outcome where, as one is saying, we're just gonna give you a grant the other. You know we're going to write you off of debt, it just it just you know. One is just you know in the eyes of collections or anything else, even though you're not going back after it just looks a little bit.

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uh uh I don't say shady: they don't go that far, but a little bit of disparity is there as to uh the softness of them and both of them was excused as the grand I could see that or if both of them was uh was written off as uh as uncollectible. I can see that, but uh it just looks like um it's, not even a euphemism. It's basically.

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If I could explain, I I think that another difference lies in the fact that momentum had in multiple times we had reached out saying: do you want to continue this program over the years uh when this first came up about the program? Ending letters were sent to all of them and people that we had micro loans with and they responded. Yes, this is doing good for the city of moments. uh The difference, I think lies with the with the pembroke township situation.

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Is that all of that furniture and all those computers are in the in the hopkins park, village hall now they're no longer even in the possession of the township okay. So that is another reason that we write it off because there's nothing to gain back and they never made a payment on any of this to repay those loans, whereas moments continually asked for let's keep the program going so again, I don't want to do to seem that you know it is a very different situation and and that's why the terminology was set.

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That way, and- and I don't know if mr rowe has any further comment, but that's kind of the way that we viewed it was- is that we made a good faith loan that no payments were made on and then the collateral was transferred from one governmental unit to another. So that and now it has no value whatsoever. So.

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We're saying a tangible benefit is coming out of moments, but in pembroke there is no intangible benefit.

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Why don't we? uh Why don't we have the auditor um review those documents and then he can audit how the funds were spent by pembroke township as well.

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Interested to see that.

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Yeah, I would be too yeah.

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uh We have current motion on the floor, but we can have a motion after that. I believe, is that proper.

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You can just uh we.

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Can ask them you can just.

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You know: withdraw these from the agenda, um not not take action on them today and then ask the auditor to attempt to secure those documents from moments and from pembroke township. Well, I.

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Think that we're going to move forward on the moments one, but I think if you want to take a look at hopkins parks and that's a relative situation, because it's uh we already approved it in the finance committee meeting and we already brought that information back. I don't I don't know how that's the audit can still happen after I would say.

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I I think, if you're gonna audit one, you should audit both. That's that's just my my opinion.

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uh Mr vickery, please.

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Thank you, mr chairman. A little bit.

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State of illinois, uh these are cdap funds. This is state money and the program andy, I understand outcome is added in it's. It.

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Ended a year ago, over a year.

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In the pembroke situation, uh the state of illinois uh awarded a huge grant- a million dollar grain out there to do this uh project when they drew up the plans they didn't include a new roof right. George. Remember that all right, so heritage development headed by joe franco, got the bid to fix that building they fixed the building.

C

Then the rains became uh an issue because the roof leaked so heritage development went out there and put a new roof on that building and said we hope we can get some money.

C

So the revolving loan fund committee sat down with the finance committee and got him 40 000 48 000, to fix the roof to save the project from being destroyed. Okay, we use the uh building contents as collateral. We couldn't use the roof okay, so we came up with the computers and the furniture as collateral to satisfy cdap.

C

Okay, we've received no payments, so I think writing it off is the is the only answer we have so. The state of illinois ordered the project. Okay and we've answered all of cdap's questions. So that's the background information on on the pembroke thing on the moments issue.

C

There was a hundred thousand dollar fda grant, but needed matching funds, so we came up with 50 000 revolving loan fund to give them a magic grant to do business or new facades on businesses.

C

They have an active program and that program has to satisfy the federal grant. That's involved here. So it's an involved process. They just don't give the money away.

C

Revolving loan fund commitments, as you have many of you know, are last resort loans. Okay, nobody else will loan the money.

C

So we match that to help downtown moments and it's an active program. It's doing well and we are in a position where we must close out the cdap account. So that's our answer is just to change it to a grant and waive the repayment that simple.

B

K

I'm going back and trying to remember all the issues with the revolving loan fund. Have we ever had a success with making those revolving loans and- and I almost think we need to change the name loan to something else, because I don't remember it a gift, it just doesn't it's it's a waste of money um that was made with repayment in mind and we've never been repaid. So I'm glad this program has ended.

B

I I will say that I would consider moments a success because they're still continually getting paid on those loans and reloading the money out. That was the intent of that. So I would say that that one is a success and that's why taking all that money back would be detrimental to the city of moments and and what's going on out there, but to your point we, the big write-offs we had with uh 600 000. Maybe at one point I mean that was a big one.

B

You know, as I remember about eight eight years ago, so uh there was a lot of loss out of this program. You know, but it should be it's taxpayer money, but it was federal taxpayer money. It wasn't local taxpayer money that still doesn't make it good. So I just thought: I'd throw that out there, mr washington.

L

I think our biggest write-off was the company that was to make uh parking blocks and things out of plastic, and then I rock yeah iraq, and that was the one that that really threw us for a loop because it kept shifting from one ownership to another ownership and pretty soon there was really nothing to do. We had we had them in court, we we went against them.

L

I can't remember how long it took, but it turned.

B

L

B

I think you learned, if you're not in first position on the loan you're, not in any position right, that's the way that goes, mr johnson just a moment. Please.

J

There you go. Thank you, um I think. Technically, uh the language in both of these is correct. If these are loans that we've given out they're, essentially sitting on our financials as receivables with the pembroke one, if we can't collect that is bad debt expense, and we can't call it a grant uh because it is a receivable and we can't collect it with the momentum issue.

J

The assets are still there. We could have a transfer of assets back to us, we're making the determination that we don't want to collect on that. We actually want to give that money back to them, so colin won bad debt, expense, calling the other one a grant, I think, would technically be correct and I have no problem with the way the language is written.

B

You know I do see value in what mr rose talking about, though um I wonder about our authority to audit other governmental units um in that process. um We it's never part of the stipulations of you know when we, when we loan the money, we never said we're going to come out we're going to audit how you spend the money.

B

It's you, you, here's the money, you spend it, how you how you will now when we're asking for it back, it was yeah we're looking to see what was done with it, and it was very fairly evident in my opinion, that the money wasn't used and or it wasn't used at the former nestle facility uh for the purposes to make that a viable business incubator. It never went anywhere um to the point where that furniture was no longer even there and those assets are no longer there.

B

So I don't want it to seem punitive, so I would like to look into the fact. Can we audit this after the fact to be able to provide this board information on how the money was spent?

B

I think that's fair, but to your point uh you know I don't see this as a punitive type set of language in accounting terms it's spot on, and thank you for that, mr johnson, um so I would ask that we move forward with closing these two situations out and then ask our auditors to maybe look into that uh for a better situation. Mr scott, thank you better resolution should I say.

M

Three questions, uh the first being, if this money's repaid back to us is that general fund money or no.

B

It goes into a revolving loan that will be put into probably we're talking about where we're going to put.

M

It is that being dissolved, that's being dissolved.

B

It's going to be dissolved. Where does.

M

It go, it's dissolved.

B

uh We would be talking about that. We used part of it, the money we got back from action chicago to pay for some emergency things. We need with battery backups uh and some other swipe cards and all of those types.

M

So it could essentially be used for county good.

B

It goes for county goods, okay, so I met with. Maybe if the money comes back, yeah.

J

M

Next question is based on your comments of if we move on these and then we do an audit and find out if they potentially are repayable and maybe not be bad- that we may be able to recoup some of that money, because we've forgave this loan and wrote it off as bad debt. We're done. We don't have any right to that money anymore correct.

M

Would it make more sense to keep those open do an audit? If there is money there, the taxpayers of cankee county could potentially benefit right. I I would just be concerned that an audit after the fact uh useless- and you know entirely useless because.

B

M

Longer have a lien or a right to said money and.

B

You're talking about both situations.

M

I I think both.

B

I would I would I would caution that if we with that money being out in circulation, you may be making a decision to pull back money from local businesses that have used that to put a facade up in there in the moments area. So if we say we want all of that's why we met to see what was still out.

M

Of sight, they would.

B

Call them in now it would call those those debts in and- and I don't know if they have the resources, because again, these are the last resort now, and I agree with you on that, I.

M

Don't we don't have to call the debts in I just I I I'm based on mr rose comment based on the fact that we are not in the greatest financial shape, based on the fact this money, if it comes back, could be potentially be used for good for the county. I think writing off this debt at this time. um You know I I would be in favor of doing some type of audit on both of them, because I don't think you can do just one. I think you need to do it on both.

M

That's that's my thoughts.

B

So it is, is we have a motion in a second? uh I'm sorry. Is there any more? Mr rowe, did you have a comment.

I

M

I

Think that um the biggest bargaining chip you have here to accomplish that audit and to get them to turn over the documents is that you're willing to forgive um and turn it into a grant on the one hand or forgive it, on the other hand, with pembroke.

I

So that's a big bargaining chip we have if we, if it's approved today, if these uh resolutions are approved, then that basically takes that off the table and, like you said, if we did an audit and it uncovered that the funds weren't used appropriately, it really limits what my office can do as well to go back to seek recovery. So it's, mr victor great, to see the audience. Do you have a comment.

C

Thank you, mr chairman, in the pembroke issue, there's no money, I mean the money is not there, so I I I mean you can audit till you know what freeze is over, but there's no money so documents.

I

There, though,.

C

Well, so if there's documents, that's fine, we'll look at a stack of documents, but if there's no money, what's it what's the issue? Okay,.

J

With moments it's an ongoing.

C

Situation- and uh we just did the 150 000 grant for mechanic street out of that cdap fund. So I I I would just call a question and let's, let's either move forward or reject yeah.

B

The question has been called, so um we have a motion in a second on the floor. So if there's something that needs to happen after the question is called, then you guys obviously so choose to do so. Well,.

H

Just a point of order, uh uh mr chairman, uh a motion to uh when the question is called that's a motion to end debate that takes two-thirds vote of this particular committee down here uh before it can actually go um and then even calling for the question, uh I think shouldn't prohibit us as to uh sending it back to committee with the following recommendations, uh which is the request for an audit.

H

I think that would be uh more appropriate because just to call for the question without a two-thirds vote of this board is just calling for. The question is not a second to the motion or whatever and right now with phil. But I would entertain a motion to I mean I would uh do an amended motion to wreck uh to submit it uh to send it back to committee with the following recommendations, and that recommendation is to request an audit.

B

Yeah, do you have an opinion on that? Mr rowe? I think they call the question. We call the question it ends debate. It doesn't require a two-thirds. uh The question was called by mr vickery.

A

B

So we can vote on this and you could turn it down and then make a new motion. uh You can vote to approve it the way it is and is stated in the language or it can be. It can't be a combination of both. Obviously so, and this is just on moments. This is not on both you understand, but you want to make sure this is just the first one that is motioned in the second uh we've already ended. uh We yeah, we called the question yeah. It.

I

Doesn't require sex yeah.

B

We're voting to we're voting to to term the moments um micro loan turn it into a grant. That's the only thing we're voting on right now and we can bring up the separate issue of the other or, at the end of it, make another motion to send both back or whatever you want to do.

B

It's been called. So that's just that's that's parliamentary procedure. We have to fall. We have to go with that. So at this point. Well, it's going to be a roll call vote and this the motion is to approve turning the loan into a grant only for main street moments. That's it.

F

Mr trump aye mr washington aye, mr luke jess aye, mr vickery aye, mr rolltop aye, mr hess aye, mr solomon aye. This is paul mcconnell, mr.

F

Mrs weber, hi, this is peters hi, mrs evans,.

F

Mr peyton hi, mr johnson hi, this is parker hi. This is dunbar hi, mr ritter, hi and mr wheeler aye.

B

Motion carries now moving on to the next issue: uh the writing off of the revolving loan to pembroke township.

B

I would need to start with a motion to approve, as presented mr vickery. Second, mr la jess, discussion beyond or reiteration I'm sorry, it's all right.

N

You know, I think, on this particular motion that was just beating a dead horse uh number one. Even the supervisor that was in the office at that time is no longer there. Everything that was in that building was destroyed by the weather and it's no money, there's no furniture. So we just beat noise.

N

That's my position.

B

C

Victory. Thank you, mr chairman yeah. I think we just move on. There's nothing left. We fixed the roof, trying to save the state project and uh paid the bills and there's no money coming back. There's no money! There. There's no paperwork, call a question.

B

With with, for.

K

C

B

Mr vickery, can we just I'll rescind that? Thank you. I appreciate I appreciate it. Thank you, mr snipes. It.

H

Would have been gone. The issue here is not the collection, whether you're gonna be successful collection of debt or not. That was not the issue. The issue was the language of writing off versus grant.

H

Do we have any guidelines, policies that basically make that determination to say this is the criteria that needs to be, if you want it written off, or this is the criteria, if you want it as a grant, if you knew when you uh extended the loan that there was uh no real collateral, then actually it should have been a grant, and so therefore we're not arguing how successful or unsuccessful the program is.

H

What we are arguing is the language that's being imputed in one versus the other, and I understand the subjective uh uh uh argument of in accounting terminology, but again that would weigh to what policy or procedures you have in place to determine one or the other, and that I don't see in front of me. uh I thought the audit was a good idea. uh The board voted down. I don't want the county. We proceed even though we're giving we're about to end this program as just giving money away you your last thing.

H

If, if us, if that's all we're going to do, then it should be. This is a grant program before those individuals that cannot secure a loan. So therefore we're going to call it a grant but to determine whether something is a grant or a write-off or whatever would lend to me in the world of intelligence, a policy that decides that. So that way I have some type of outline to determine which one could apply or if both could apply. If that makes sense,.

B

Thank you, mr johnson.

J

Thank you without being getting too technical with this with accounting, we have to present fairly financial statements if this was a grant. That was our. That means it's our determination to give them this money to use. However, they want. We can't give that away, because there are no assets to give away. We've already classified this as a loan. At this point, we've made the determination that they're uncollectible, if we made the determination that they're uncollectible the only fair way to present this, is to call it bad debt, which is what it is.

J

If we wanted to call it grant, we would have had to have said that at the initial transaction in the transfer of assets, but we can't go back and do that now. As for uh the audit of this, which I understand and makes sense to me, I guess my only problem with that is if the determinations are even made by the people involved, that there is no, there are no funds to collect.

J

Then it just seems like a bad decision for the board to spend money, to have an audit just to determine that there's no money to collect. It's obviously very frustrating situation, but why would we want to spend money more money just to determine something that we already know? I guess those are my thoughts.

B

Well, on the financial side, I understand that that there, but on the legal side of that I don't know mr rowe has yeah.

I

So the audit could be conducted in-house uh by the county's auditor. So certainly there's there's some time involved in that, but there's probably no hurry here to forgive this loan because it hasn't been repaid in so long just to address some of the comments that the the township supervisors are no longer in office. The documents are missing. Well, that's because the last two have been indicted and convicted for fraud involving township funds.

I

That's why I have concerns about how this money was used and if we don't conduct the audit to make determinations if there should be further criminal proceedings in connection with those dollars, and we write off these dollars, then that really takes any ability we have to pursue them down in the future, whether it be collection efforts or criminal charges.

I

I thought that an audit of both would be fair. I think just from an optic standpoint, but because it wasn't done in moments does not mean it cannot be done in connection with these funds. You know that this ordinance says that some of those dollars were used to purchase equipment.

I

Some of the members have said that those dollars were used solely on repairing the building or a roof. I'd just like to know what that money was used for, and there were legal requirements that the township maintain those records, and I want to see that before we write off the debt that that township has upheld its legal uh duties to the county.

I

B

uh I very much appreciate uh those comments uh because we have the ability to provide that that latitude for mr rose office after obviously mr lee looks into it if, in fact, there was some things that were inappropriate to be able to act on those as best as offices fit. So I would not want to hamstring that effort as chairman of this board, but obviously this group can decide to move on if they wish. So we do have a motion in a second.

B

Is there any motion to table pending an audit by the county auditor, mr cyrilli.

A

I'd like to make that motion, mr chairman, to table this particular 102 to the county auditors and then maybe after next finance committee, we we can have a report or see what mr lee can turn up with the documentation that mr rowe is requiring.

I

Whoever made the motion.

B

Right, whoever and who made those motions, mr vickery, you made the motion, would you like to rescind the motion? We have a new motion on the floor? Would that make things cleaner.

C

Let me just say that's why if lawyers built cars, we wouldn't get any cars built.

C

Okay, so I mean lawyers are great, but we're running a business. Okay and I I tried to give you the picture. The roof's leaking.

F

C

Crew went out, put a new roof on that building, sent us a bill and we approved that bill and paid that bill to keep that building viable. Okay, I was involved in that project. I mean revolving loan fund finance committee. We we were trying to help pembroke okay, so all the stuff is gone and done.

C

Mr snipes comments would be great at the beginning, but now the cdap program's ended. I mean why do we want to set up guidelines for loans and grants at the end of the program? You do it at the beginning, okay sure, and we had a committee we. This has all been done through committee for over the years and uh we've we made decisions and based on facts, and we went forward with those decisions so.

B

I you know your motion still stands, though, to.

C

B

C

B

Okay, so more discussion. This.

C

Is just this is housekeeping? All it is is housekeeping. It is we're just ending the cdap program right, mr ledges.

G

I believe I believe I seconded it, so I don't understand why we just can't vote on this to write it off and if it fails then go through with the other motion to do the audit.

G

So I I'm not rescinding my second there's not going to be a vote.

I

G

Okay, then, let's go through with this.

I

Passes the loans forgiven, if you go through with the vote and it fails, then the county can take further steps through the auditor's office to request that audit. But.

G

That's what I have that's, what I'd like to do.

I

It may be a waste of time. It may very well turn out that there was no wrongdoing. The documents are in place, the money was spent appropriately, but if, by chance there was wrongdoing or those dollars weren't spent appropriately, it won't be a waste of time.

L

B

A moment please, mr.

L

Washington, let me.

B

Let me get you on the right.

F

Give him one million.

L

B

L

This we took a bus tour. We went through the building, we went through everything with the people involved and we we decided at that time that it was perfectly okay. It was. It was legal to do so. There's there's nothing underhanded about what occurred there. There was other funds that came to the township that were uh absconded with, but not these funds that we loaned them. There's no reason for us to continue this.

G

Corporate question.

H

All right talking.

G

To each other on the first one, so I'm tired, yeah.

B

I have uh mr snipes. The final comment. Please: okay,.

H

What's my first one on this motion, uh let's kind of clear up something here: I'm not trying to go back into what happened back when what I simply asked for was what policy or procedures we have in place. That sets the guidelines as to whether we forgive something or as far as or determine that it's a grant or a write-off. Excuse me. So we we, what policies or procedures do we have in place?

H

Certainly, if you make the decision you have to have some type of guideline or policy in place that allows you to determine whether one would be a grant and turn into a grant and a write-off, and the other I mean excuse me a grant and the other a write-off I'm not interested in all the preliminaries that happen back forth. What I'm saying is it's the county's responsibility that, if we're going to start saying we're going to grant you this and but these individuals over here uh this is a bad debt collection.

H

When we're saying we're trying to help the word deter when you use the terminology, help you're actually saying grant, so you get into legal jargons that if you got into a court and had to go back and forth and arguing a judge had to make a decision, you're going you your your argument can be fought either way depending on the attorneys.

H

So what I'm saying is in the accounting in accounting, when I studied accounting, when I got the degree from kcc in accounting and furthered it, it said that accounting is the language of business and when you take accounting or whatever, and you have accounting degree at least in mind, I had to take a business law class and a legal environmental business, because there are legalities that that frame is the framework of whatever you want to do in business.

H

So what policies and procedures legally do you have in place that if you was to take this to court, you would say this is the guidelines I have, and this is how we determine this or that, if not give both of them a grant and let's put it to sleep, that's what I'm saying.

B

Thank you. Our policies and our procedures are the finance committee uh and the determination that committee made on sending this forward. So I will say that, and also I will I will listen to what a cpa defines as those terms all day long and I don't I, I feel no malice towards what happened. I understand the situation. What you're saying I think I'm not going to disparage what you feel because there I understand that.

B

That's your that's your feeling, uh but in my opinion, if, if the board member from that area says move forward, I say move forward. That's the way I'm gonna vote. Okay, but you all may feel a different way so that that's just my own opinion um and if we want to do a do an audit okay, then we can do an audit.

B

So I see value in all of these arguments but as far as the terminology being negative versus grant being positive, one wanted to continue with the program the other one refused to pay on the loan. That's the definition of bad debt versus grant in mind.

E

Call the question.

B

Question question has been called roll call. Please.

B

And I is too to write it off as as that uncollectible.

F

Mr trump, no mr washington.

G

F

Jess all right, mr victor hi, mr old time. No, mr house hi, mr silva hi. This is paul.

G

F

B

Hey mr wheeler high.

B

Motion does not carry so do we have a refer this back to committee yeah.

G

I'll make most of it before.

B

Just so, the board is clear: I do have to have resolution on this issue to having to see that program, so this will come back in whatever format that it has to be, and.

L

B

Be come back in a format.

L

That's a minimum to everybody um churning, not.

B

Digging, you know it just has to be done, and I have to find the state of illinois that we've settled all accounts. Correct and.

K

If anybody knows we did, we did.

B

Call in another debt- and we did receive seventy five thousand dollars for that, so the.

L

Monies that we spent already so other businesses.

B

Openings: one opening on the kenke county board of health dentists, four openings on the kanke county, regional planning, commission, one opening on the kanke river conservancy district due to the resignation of dave, zach, effective july 1st, and is there any old business any new old business.

G

I don't know if it's old or new, really kind of maybe on behalf of the board. I'd like to uh wish wish mr bill oltof a happy birthday as he heads towards the finish line.

B

We're going to need those cupcakes in about 24 pieces. If you can.

B

Alrighty 13 off alrighty, so no business any new business. I need a motion to adjourn mr le jess. Second, mr ulta, all those in favor those opposed have a great day.