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Finance Committee Meeting 7/25/2018 9:00 AM
A
B
C
Do
I
just
talk
right,
just
hi
everybody,
I'm
Lindsey,
Parkhurst
I'm,
the
state
representative
for
the
79th
district
I
just
wanted
to
go
on
record
that
I
support
the
efforts
to
have
Kankakee
County,
be
part
of
the
work.
The
Indiana
River
work
plan.
I.
Think
that
it's
important
to
remember
that
we
need
to
work
with
Indiana.
If
we
want
to
be
qualified
for
federal
funds,
you
need
to
have
two
states
working
together
to
be
qualified
for
federal
funds,
and
that's
gonna
be
a
big
point
for
us
for
funding.
Also
I
just
wanted
to.
C
Let
you
know
that
myself
and
representative
Tom
Bennett
from
Iroquois
are
down
in
Springfield.
We
are
attuned
to
the
issues
with
the
Kankakee
and
the
Iroquois
rivers.
We
are
available
and
we
are
here
and
willing
to
help
in
any
regard
that
we
can,
whether
it's
legislation
trying
to
find
funding
working
if
we
get
a
capital
plan,
but
I
just
wanted
to
urge
an
aye
vote
for
Kankakee
County
to
be
part
of
this
work
plan
and
I
just
urge
an
aye
vote.
Thank
you.
D
Good
morning,
I'm
Ken
montjoy
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
Northern
Illinois
angler
Association
and
kinky
River
Basin
Commission
on
the
Illinois
side,
not
to
be
confused
with
the
Indiana
K
RBC
here,
also
to
speak
regarding
the
river
plan
and
and
offer
the
support
of
those
two
organizations
for
that
plan.
It's
nice
to
hear
the
word
plan
instead
of
study
and
because
we
certainly
don't
need
more
studies.
D
D
The
quarry
issue
was
when
can't
keep
the
grand
Kankakee
Marsh
was
drained
and
the
river
on
the
Indiana
side,
which
was
converted
into
a
drainage
ditch
if
you'll
ever
look
at
Google
Maps
and
look
at
the
river
on
the
Indiana
side
compared
to
the
Illinois
side,
it's
dramatically
different.
That
is
not
to
the
fault
of
anyone
who
is
alive
today.
So
it's
time
to
stop
blaming
people
and
move
ahead
sounds
like
there's
a
partnership
atmosphere
here,
going
between
Illinois
and
Indiana
on
this
project.
D
E
Good
morning
my
name
is
Siavash
Baek
and
with
Burke
engineering.
Burke
engineering
is
a
Water
Resources
firm
and
both
Illinois
and
Indiana,
and
we
have
been
the
engineer
for
Kankakee
River,
Basin
Commission
for
some
time
and,
as
you
pointed
out,
we
have
in
the
verge
of
doing
this
work
plan
for
the
kankakee,
which
we
are
glad
to
be
doing
it
with
the
Illinois
and
Indiana
together,
which
is
one
of
the
first
ones.
E
In
this
way
there
have
been
studies
that
done
in
the
past
studies,
I
emphasize
not
work
plans
that
they're
involving
both
states
but
I.
Don't
really
remember
that
we
have
this
kind
of
cooperative
type
of
ways
where
they
actually
the
people
in
those
counties
versus
an
agency
doing
this
type
of
work
yeah
there.
So
we're
very,
very
excited
to
do
this
for
the
presentation
today.
I
wanted
to
have
first
a
background.
E
And-And-And-And-And
into
this
situation.
We
teamed
with
mr.
Bob
Barr,
which
is
a
work
for
I.
You
Pui
Indiana
University,
Purdue,
University
Indianapolis
is
a
research
scientist
morphologist
in
the
stream
and
that's
what
the
attack
we
do
in
this
particular
work
plan
is
to
use
the
morphology
to
to
inform
us
of
what
kind
of
strategies
we
need
to
have
so
I'm
gonna
ask
Bob
to
come
up
first
and
give
me
a
background
and
I
go
continue
that
one
there.
Thank
you.
F
Yes,
didn't
work,
we're
going
to
start
off
a
see
if
I
said
with
just
a
little
bit
of
background,
to
try
to
explain
to
you
what
we're
trying
to
do.
Many
of
you
have
probably
seen
this
slide.
This
is
the
Indiana
map
and
it
shows
the
grand
Kankakee
Marsh
starting
up
near
South
Bend
coming
over
towards
Momence,
and
then
you
notice
that,
even
in
those
days
we
tended
to
cut
off
the
map
at
the
Indiana
Illinois
line,
and
you
can
see
that
broad
swath
of
marsh
coming
over
as
it
hit
Illinois.
F
F
It
has
been
a
source
of
contention
between
the
states
since
it
was
finished
in
1917
next
slide,
please
in
Indiana,
we
have
struggled
with
maintaining
that
straight
ditch.
This
is
an
example
of
an
area
that
had
been
fixed
in
2013.
This
was
taken
in
2015
slide.
The
fix
didn't
work
too.
Well
next
slide,
please
our
maintenance
efforts
have
left
a
lot
to
be
desired.
Most
of
them
were
designed
to
move
water
out
of
the
system
quicker
and
faster.
F
That
water
was
then
coming
over
to
Illinois,
along
with
the
sediment
that
was
being
carried
with
it
now
in
Indiana.
Our
problem
has
been
when
you
straighten
out
these
streams.
The
water
doesn't
effectively
transport
the
sediment
anymore,
so
sediment
piles
up
is
the
sediment
piles
up.
It
tends
to
only
move
when
the
water
level
gets
really
high
so
that
when
the
Illinois
sees
Indiana
sand
coming
across,
it
tends
to
come
across
not
a
little
bit
at
a
time
but
feet
at
a
time
during
large
events.
F
So
on
the
Indiana
side,
our
primary
focus
to
date
has
been
working
in
the
Yellow
River
to
try
to
demonstrate
how
we
can
adjust
that
sediment
balance
so
that
the
sand
that
comes
to
Illinois,
which
it
will
comes
in
at
a
more
regular
pace
and
transfers
through
the
system
like
it's
supposed
to
next
slide.
Please.
So
we
focused
our
initial
efforts
on
Yellow
River.
We
needed
a
demonstration
project
on
the
Indiana
side
to
convince
the
Indiana
representatives
and
stakeholders
that
the
efforts
that
we
were
talking
about
would
work.
F
So
they
had
a
problem,
and
you
can
you
can
look
at
the
problem
statement
there.
I'm
not
gonna,
read
it
to
you.
There
was
too
much
sediment.
They
were
spending
too
much
money
on
maintenance.
They
were
spending
too
much
time
trying
to
repair
the
river
and
they
weren't
accomplishing
what
they
wanted
to
do.
Their
statement
to
me
when
I
first
started
working
with
them
was
we've
been
doing
the
same
thing
for
70
years.
It
hasn't
worked.
We
think
it's
time
for
a
new
plan.
F
So
here's
the
connection.
This
shows
the
basin.
You
can
see
on
the
Indiana
side,
the
very
large
portion
of
the
Kankakee,
and
then
you
see
the
state
line
and
a
much
smaller
section
of
the
Kankakee
over
on
Illinois
side
that
very
large
watershed
in
Indiana
drains
into
Illinois.
At
that
point,
it
will
always
be
a
large
watershed.
G
F
So
Yellow
River
is
the
small
dark
area
there
and
then
didn't
think
you
would
be
quite
as
interested
mad
as
the
fact
that
that's
where
sand
was
coming
from
in
Indiana,
and
that
was
our
focused
target
area.
The
larger
pink
area
is
the
larger
Kankakee
as
a
whole.
Okay,
next
slide,
please.
So
this
slide
is
looks
like
a
piece
of
art.
F
It's
not
intended
to
be.
What
we
want
to
show
you-
and
this
is
the
bright
yellow
in
the
center
surrounded
by
brown-
is
all
in
area
of
Indiana
and
primarily
in
Stark
County,
which
is
underlain
with
what
is
called
blankets
and
they're
sand
dune
there,
and
that
is
the
source
of
most
of
the
sand
going
into
the
Yellow
River
and
the
Yellow
River
Yellow
River
is
considered
the
source
of
most
of
the
sand
and
same
coming
into
the
Kankakee,
so
our
job
initially
has
been
to
work
in
that
area.
F
F
So
what
we
wanted
to
find
out
was
where
the
sand
was
coming
from
how
the
sand
could
be
managed
and
then
develop
a
work
plan
to
address
it
and
in
in
a
very
concise
way
that
becomes
the
idea
and
the
concept
for
the
Kankakee
River
plan
is
to
identify
the
problem,
areas,
identify
site-specific
solutions
and
then
apply
those
in
the
Kankakee
Basin
as
well.
We've
been
asked
to
do
this
now
for
several
years,
we're,
finally
to
the
point
we
feel
comfortable
moving
forward
and
looking
at
that,
a
little
bit
harder
for
you
to
see
here.
F
One
of
the
ways
we
were
able
to
finally
quantify
where
the
sand
was
coming
from
was
to
bracket
the
area
with
a
couple
of
USGS
sediment
gauges.
So
for
years
in
Indiana,
there
has
been
a
discussion
about.
Is
the
sand
coming
from
Marshall
County?
Is
it
coming
from
Stark
County?
Is
it
in
the
Kankakee
River?
F
For
years,
the
focus
was
on
Marshall
County
that
ended
up
being
incorrect,
was
actually
in
Stark
County
and
a
much
smaller
area
which
lets
our
target
out.
Let's,
let's
target
our
efforts.
Consider
this
to
be
an
example
of
the
type
of
thing
that
we're
proposing
to
do
in
the
Kankakee,
wherein
we
we
actually
identify
using
field
analysis
and
stream
gage
data,
where
these
problems
are
coming
from
and
how
they
can
be
addressed
next
slide.
Please.
F
We
also
have
to
look
at
the
geometry
of
the
channels,
particularly
on
the
Indiana
side.
We
find
that,
as
the
streams
were
modified,
they
changed
the
channel
shapes
and
configuration
of
those
channels
to
the
point
where
they
would
no
longer
effectively
move
sand.
They
could
move
water
and
they
could
move
water
fairly
efficiently,
but
the
stream
has
to
move
both
of
the
water
and
the
sediment.
So,
on
the
Indiana
side,
what
we've
done
is
tried
to
quantify
where
the
channel
needs
to
be
adjusted
and
then
the
green
area.
F
F
We're
gonna
pass
through
these,
and,
let's
see,
if
ash
talked
to
you
a
little
bit
more
about
the
plan.
Next
slide,
please
next
slide
and
next
slide
and
next
slide
and
see.
If
ash
is
going
to
talk
to
you
about
how
we
implement
this
plan
and
how
we
propose
to
do
a
very
similar
thing
in
the
Kankakee
itself
appreciate.
E
It
so
when
we
looked
at
the
Yellow
River,
which
was
again
a
a
area
that
was
producing
most
of
the
sand,
based
on
the
data
that
come
to
Kankakee,
we
use
that
also
as
a
pilot
in
in
for
the
bigger
Kankakee.
So
it's
a
small
watershed.
If
the,
if
the
techniques
that
we
want
to
have
come
up
with
used,
is
working
there,
it
will
work
also
in
the
bigger
Kankakee.
That
was
the
idea.
E
So,
looking
at
the
Yellow
River,
we
looked
at
it
as
a
what
we
call
a
system
systemic
way,
systematic
way,
looking
an
entire
watershed
from
upstream
to
downstream,
really
we
were
called
for
when
we
were
called
for
to
help.
They
had
a
problem
just
in
the
small
area
and
in
one
of
those
reach
that
is
in
red.
So
we
have
a
problem
there
or
we
have
aggregation
of
sediment
coming
up
in
this
step
in
that
purple
road.
But
we
said
we
cannot
approach
it
that
way.
E
We
need
to
look
at
entire
watershed
and
we
need
to
look
at
from
upstream
all
the
way
downstream.
So
when
you
look
at
that,
so
what
kind
of
a
work
plan
components
that
we
came
up
with
the
yellow
river
project
was
in
the
watershed
we
need
to
promote
soil
health.
It's
like
a
cover
crops
and
things
like
that
which
keep
the
sediment
on
the
surface.
It
doesn't
let
it
to
run
off
in
that
one.
E
So
that
was
for
that
area
there,
and
also
we
noticed
that
all
the
laterals
and
I
don't
know
if
some
of
that
we
are
gonna
be
looking
into
Illinois
portion
as
well,
but
any
Indiana
at
least
there
are
ditches
that
are
draining
the
farmlands
and
they
are
somewhat
steep
and
in
that
coming
so
they're
bringing
the
water
and
sediment
quickly
into
the
stream.
So
we
are
in
in
the
overall
watershed.
E
We
we're
recognizing
that
flatter
solder,
Bank
slopes
and
two-staged
laterals
may
help
basically
reduce
that
amount
of
sediment
which
is
carried
through
because
that's
one
of
our
biggest
thing
we
we
are
conclusion,
was
a
too
much
sand
is
coming
down,
and
so
we
need
to
reduce
that
source
and
so
to
reduce
that
source.
One
of
those
things
is
in
the
watershed
we
know
do
that,
one
in
the
zone-
one
which
is
those
blue
blue
reach-
upstream,
it's
a
man-made,
more
or
less
in
Marshall,
County,
Indiana,
man-made
ditches,
but
pretty
much
stable.
E
We
we
are
recommendation
for
the
work
plan
was
to
establish
and
maintain
buffer,
have
flatter
slopes
there
and
and
think
when
you
can
of
the
two-stage
ditches
that
the
two
staging
of
the
of
the
of
the
laterals
there
and
the
zone
to
which
was
the
Green
Zone.
As
Bob
mentioned,
those
are
natural
areas,
they
were
not
doing
any
work
and
that
one
is
perfect,
looking
great,
so
maintain
what
we
have
there
in
terms
of
riparian
corridor.
Now
we
go
to
that
zone
three,
which
was
that
red
area.
E
What
we
saw
is
the
ten
miles
of
of
exposed,
Bank
and
sand
coming
into
the
stream
and
which
was
a
really
really
big
big
issue.
So
in
those
areas,
what
our
suggestion
was
that
here
is
where
we
need
to
stabilize
these
banks,
but
how
we
gonna
do.
That
is
important,
because
what
we
had
been
tried
in
the
past
was
to
put
RepRap
on
these
things
and
stuff,
and
that
doesn't
work
very
well
in
the
sandpit
systems
the
sand,
just
water
just
goes
around
it,
and
and
so
what
we
are
promoting.
E
There
is
a
a
nature-based
type
of
solution,
using
wood
to
stabilize
benches
and
I
show
some
pictures
or
that
one
there
the
bit
later.
But
but
we
said
in
because
it
was
a
new
technique.
Maybe
it
wasn't
done
as
much
in
in
in
this
Midwest.
We
needed
some
sort
of
pilot
project
someplace
that
we
can
demonstrate
that,
and
that's
relate
to
that
pilot
reach
of
the
project
that
we're
going
to
talk
about
here
and
then
the
lastly,
for
that
lower
purple
segment,
the
downstream
portion
of
Yellow
River.
E
What
we
are
seeing
is
a
gradation
of
sediment
sediments
sitting
in
there
and
into
a
degree
that
the
bottom
of
the
river
is
now
higher
than
the
floodplain
around
it.
So
that's
obviously
the
sediment
is
not
moving
downstream
correctly
and
so
it's
accumulating,
and
so
the
objective
there
is
to
make
that
a
efficient
system
so
that,
as
Bob
mentioned,
the
sediments
not
moved
into
Illinois
or
into
lower
Kankakee
with
bogs.
You
know
just
kind
of
slugs
coming
in
there
rather
smoothly
coming
in,
you
know
all
the
time
and
so
that
they
can
pass
through
there.
E
So
so
that's
what
the
component
to
the
plan
next
slide.
Please,
and
so
this
is
an
example
of
the
what
you
see,
of
course,
the
there's
some
senior
its
emissivity
into
this
stream
there,
some
meandering
small
meandering
in
the
stream
and
and
those
arrows
show
areas
that
very
we
had
erosion
such
as
the
right
picture.
You
see
that
those
Bank
banks
and
there
are
like
810
feet
high
and
so
may
not
be
shown
well.
I
will
show
more
things.
E
So
next
slide
please
so
for
those,
then
we
came
up
with
that
concept
of
putting
those
would
and
there's
what
we
call
a
tollbooth
technique
using
nature
based
system
basic
to
tell
to
give
the
stream
what
it
has
been
wanting
to
do
limit
upstream
with
those
natural
section
which
is
working.
We
learned
from
that
one.
What
is
stream
doing
streams
trying
to
make
benches
low
benches
in
the
stream
using
what
you
would
that
is
coming
down
there?
Just
sand
piles
up?
E
That
would
makes
this
small
low
benches
and
that's
how
the
water
and
sediment
move
downstream,
so
we're
learning
from
that
phone
trying
to
give
that
that
one
and
stabilize
those
those
banks
and
give
that
stream
some
sort
of
a
same
kind
of
a
form
whether
it
can
man
they're
just
a
little
bit
and
deposits,
and
and
and
and
get
it
through
things
like
these.
So
in
that
pilot
section,
here's
what
we've
started
from
those
are:
the
type
of
banks
you
seeing
there.
You
can
see
that
that
this
is
sand.
E
E
So
this
is
the
showing
that
technique
that
was
used
here
on
the
left
side.
You
can
see
those
this
is
during
the
construction,
and
these
are
like
a
30
feet,
trees
that
are
basically
in
in
this
side
of
the
bank,
and
then
you
have
soil
lifts
on
top
of
that.
So
basically,
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
trying
to
build
a
bench
similar
to
the
way
the
stream
itself
builds
those
benches
it's
just
giving
that
structure
and
that
those
Wooden's
in
there
it
gives
the
structure
to
the
sand
so
that
the
sand
can
stay
there.
E
Otherwise
sandwich
move
again
every
next
time,
so
that
is
building
a
bench
so
opening
up
that
area
and
leading
back
in
this
case-
and
you
can
see
on
the
right
side,
that
is
just
we
that
picture
right
a
few
months
over
now,
when
we
did
you
could
like
date
of
that
construction.
It
was
twelve,
six
2017,
so
December
of
2016,
and
we
saying
okay
well,
just
put
that
pond
ug1,
have
you
have
the
grass
growing
and
coming
to
it,
because
that
that
type
of
thing
keeps
it
together?
E
Well,
literally
know
that
in
February
of
2017
we
had
the
major
flood,
as
you
guys
did
in
Indiana,
which
was
almost
a
record
flood
in
many
areas,
and
it's
really
we're
all
scared.
Okay,
what's
gonna
happen,
it's
not
stabilized.
Yet
this
is
gonna
happen.
It
worked
very
well
and-
and
so
you
can
see
even
in
in
in
this
picture-
in
the
June
of
2018
yeah,
you
have
some
exposed
bank
still.
They
expose
the
areas
because
I
grass
wasn't
able
to
come
up,
but
pretty
much
everything
stayed
on.
All
those
would
stayed
on.
E
They
didn't
didn't,
go
anywhere
and
it's
doing
its
job.
It
is
absorbing
energy
and
also
is
keeping
that
away
from
eroding.
So
what
type
of
a
thing?
What
type
of
solutions
should
be
done
as
we
go
downstream
in
the
Yellow
River?
We
had
that
straight
section,
which
was
wide
section
that
is
going
down.
Can
you
hit
one
one
more
yeah
and
you
can
see
for
those
areas
which
were
ducking
wide
areas?
E
What
we
are
thinking
again,
what
the
Nature
is
trying
to
do
is
to
kind
of
a
in
the
very
low
flow
area
narrow
this
down
and
have
some
seniority
to
it,
and
so
that
for
that
Yellow
River,
that
may
be.
What
we
are
thinking
so
again
is
that
those
areas
that
are
straight
section,
which
are
not
transporting
sand
correctly
and
they're
doing
it
in
lump
lump
basis.
E
You
may
have
to
do
that,
so
those
are
type
of
a
strategies
that
we
are
trying
to
utilize
there
to
have
again
low
benches
and
and
with
using
again
that
same
technique
to
wood
technique,
so
because
otherwise
you
cannot
just
pile
some
sand
in
the
stream
or
something
it
just
washes
away
unless
it
has
some
structure
to
it,
similar
to
the
where
mother
nature
does
it.
So.
E
Thank
you
so
moving
through
one
more
please
moving
through,
so
we
we
had
that
success
in
India
and
that
Yellow
River,
and
so
we
were
asked
you
know,
can
we
apply
some
of
these
techniques
back
to
the
Kankakee,
which
was
the
purpose?
We
looked
at
the
Yellow
River
as
a
pilot
and
a
Kankakee
as
maybe
we
came
to
look
at
the
Kankakee.
We
have
obviously
with
2006.
You
know
a
17
flood
that
we
had
February
flood
that
we
had
there
were
other
concerns
other
than
sand
moving.
E
We
had
major
flooding
that
happened
here
it
in
this
exhibit
and
the
blue
or
the
flood
pain
areas.
These
are
regulatory
flat,
pain
hundred
year
flood
pain.
So
to
speak,
the
red
areas,
red
dots-
you
can
see
those
areas
are
from
NASA
satellite
pictures.
So
we
one
of
the
partners
in
our
Indian
server.
Jackets
are
the
NASA
works
with
us,
so
we
were
god
they're
able
to
get
some
images
that
they
had.
This
is
one
particular
day,
March,
2nd
I
thing
when
they
were
just
the
satellite
past
passing
through
and
captured
these
images.
E
The
red
marks
are
the
wear.
Areas
were
flooded
on
that
particular
day
and
you
can
see
that
it's,
it's
really
large
areas,
but
the
lesson
here
is
that
it
could
get
worse
because
those
red
areas
is
what
we
experienced
now
the
blue
areas.
Shaded
areas
are
potentially
if
we
have
larger
storm.
What
we
call
100
year,
storm
2.1
here,
so
our
message
when
you're
looking
at
this
this
data
was
to
to
to
our
our
Indiana
folks,
was
that
the
flooding
is
going
to
continue
the
flooding
is
going
out
there.
E
The
question
is
that
how
can
we
live
with
that
flooding
and
and
make
sure
it
doesn't
get
worse
as
we
go
on,
but
the
notion
that
all
of
that
flooded
area
can
be
all
brought
down,
because
that's
what
in
Indiana
we're
trying
to
do
say
can
I
make
this
boil
banks
and
levees
up
to
that?
I
can
fit
all
this
in
in
the
stream.
E
The
notion
that
you
can
do
that
is
really
not
possible,
so
we
need
to
be
thinking
about
stream,
stability
and
and
being
able
to
move
its
floods
and
sediment
in
the
end
and
in
natural
in
the
low
flow
conditions
and
in
high
flow
conditions.
We
need
to
find
ways
to
live
with
that.
Maybe
it's
it's
maybe
flooding
some
sort
of
a
town,
and
that
is
not
desirable.
E
We
need
to
find
a
way,
but
the
notion
that
you
can
take
all
that
storage
away
from
that
area
and
funnel
it
through
the
stream
and
guess
who
is
going
to
come
into
Illinois
right
its.
Do
that
one
that's
not
possible.
We
need
to
find
a
way
that
that
understand
the
flooding
live
with
it,
and
maybe
we
can
tweak
that
that
what
pain
in
somewhere
that
we
know
areas
that
we
don't
want
to
have
flooding
scene
in
there.
E
Next,
like
these,
are
the
USGS
gauging
stations
do
a
very
good
job
in
recording,
what's
happening
on
our
string,
this
graph
and
I
don't
know
you're,
not
the
hydrologist,
but
think
of
this
hydrograph.
What
is
showing
and
on
the
vertical
axis
is
a
flow
amount
of
flow.
That's
going
through
the
stream,
and
the
horizontal
axis
is
the
dates.
This
represents
a
two
month
period.
E
You
can
see
that
the
water
level,
if
you
look
at
the
blue
line
generally
shows
you
where
the
water
level
going
up
and
coming
down
can
see
that
it's
not
a
short
period
and
a
lot
of
us
are
used
to
smaller
streams
where
the
flow
comes
up
and
goes
down
here
is
going
up
and
down,
but
it
takes
two
months
for
this.
Where
is
that
float
all
that
area?
Can
that
yellow
line?
The
bottom
is
where
normally,
if
flow
can
go
through
the
river.
E
So
the
difference
between
those
two
lines
is
all
that
water,
which
is
stored
on
the
land
someplace,
and
that
was-
and
if
you
look
at
the
numbers,
we're
seeing
that
that
extra
volume,
if
you
want
to
eliminate
those
flooding,
we're
talking
about
220,000
acre
feet,
which
is
you
know,
20,
you
know
about
30,000
acres
8
feet
high,
so
that
is
the
type
of
storage.
So
it's
not
I'm,
gonna
dig
a
pond
here
and
I
don't
solve
this
problem.
It's
not
gonna
happen
that
way.
E
E
Is
the
same
hydrograph
at
moments
and
again
you
can
see
that
once
the
water
goes
up
into
that
the
blue
line
going
up
and
between
this
peak
it
takes
a
long
time
for
that
water
to
come
down.
Why?
Because
it's
using
all
that
storage
is
have
that
storage
and
it's
you
know
gradually
getting
to
that
storage
again.
Replacing
that
storage
is
not
possible
again.
It's
large
areas
that
needs
to
be
dealt
with
so
and
I
suspect
that
what
you've
seen
in
in
Illinois
is
very
similar
you're
dealing
with
a
very
large
river
with
large
volumes.
E
So
the
notion
that
we
can
harness
this
river
into
small
stream
may
not
be
a
feasible
thing.
The
idea
is
that
can
we
control
can
be
managed
it?
Can
we
have
it
so
that
it
doesn't
get
worse?
Can
we
live
with
it
in
a
way
that
it
doesn't
interrupt
our
lives
next
slide,
please?
So
here's
just
for
your
looking
these
our
peak,
what
we
call
peak
recorded,
discharges,
flow
values
and
during
the
flooding
that
happened
during
the
year,
so
it
goes
all
the
way
you
know
about
50
60
70
years.
What
is
that?
23?
E
All
the
way
to
2007
17
here
so
so
you
have
that
span
of
of
80
years
of
data.
That
is
there
and
you
can
see
those
Peaks.
The
orange
lines
are
peak,
discharges,
they're
happening
and
and
and
they
the
last
one
you
should
see.
This
isn't
Shelby
just
upstream
of
the
Indiana
State
Illinois
State
Line,
and
it
can
see
it
Shelby
that
in
2017
what
we
saw
in
February
2018
this
year
was
about
six
thousand
cubic
feet
per
second,
that's
a
measure
of
how
much
flow
is
going
there,
but
it's
not
necessarily
the
highest.
E
You
can
see
that
we
have
had
that
kind
of
episode
several
times
so
because
many
people
in
Indiana
at
least
said
that
oh
this
was
the
biggest
fall
you
ever
seen
and
we
can
say
maybe
in
your
memory,
but
look
at
the
data
here
we
have
have
you
have
several
of
these
things
going
on.
This
is
not
one-time
deal.
That's
why
we
think
this
can
be.
You
know
we
have
bigger
events
next
slide,
please.
E
This
is
same
slide,
but
instead
of
showing
the
flow
going
through,
the
river
we've
shown
the
height
how
high
the
water
gets.
And
now
you
see
something
different.
You
see
that,
although
that
discharge,
the
2018
wasn't
the
largest
one,
the
height
that
it
got,
is
the
largest
one
in
there.
So
there's
definitely
something
happening
in
terms
of
the
capacity
of
our
streams,
because
the
same
amount
of
flow
or
a
small
amount
of
flow
is
degenerating
higher
amount.
That
is
of
huge
concern
to
us
right
concern
to
all
of
us
who
live
around
the
river.
E
Is
that
there's
something
phenomenon
happening?
First
of
all,
they'll
be
getting
more
flows,
yes,
we're
getting
higher
flows
recently,
but
they
also
seem
to
be
higher
than
before,
even
for
the
same
discharge,
which
tells
us
that
there's
something
with
the
mechanics
or
capacity
of
the
stream
which
is
lost
and
that's
what
my
point
is
that
we
are
losing
grounds
to
the
capacity
when
up
the
stream
next
slide.
Please-
and
so
this
just
just
enough
that
these
are
a
measure.
E
So
we
did
or
looked
at
the
data
historical
data
and
that
and
that
particular
gauge
looking
at
the
relationship
between
the
how
high
the
water
gets,
which
is
says
gauge
height
at
this
huge
gas
station
and
discharge
and
how
much
flow
going.
And
you
can
see
over
time
that
that
red
line
the
bottom,
the
thing
is
just
90
50s
and
then
you
go
up
and
the
last
line
up
up
on
top
is
the
most
recent
data.
E
You
can
see
that
over
time,
if
our
say,
if
I
was
sitting
next
to
this
gauge
next
to
the
stream
and
looking
at
the
water
and
the
same
flow
coming
over
the
years
for
the
same
amount
of
rainfall,
I'm
seeing
a
higher
stage
higher
stage
higher
stage
every
time
as
much
as
two
feet
now
higher
than
was
50
years
ago,
and
why
is
this
happening
because
we
are
losing
ground
in
that
thing?
In
this
particular
case?
Maybe
the
bottom
of
this
stream
is
coming
up
so
much
and
losing
capacity
in
some
other
areas.
E
It's
because
we
are
taking
away
from
the
storage
in
the
floodplain.
We
are
filling
the
floodplains
and
stuff
like
that.
So
so
bottom
line,
what
we
are
seeing
is
that
it's
not
just
that
the
climate
is
changing,
it
is
changing
and
we
are
having
more
flows
and
higher
flows,
intense
flows
but
they're
also
via
losing
ground.
So
that's
why
the
objective
of
some
of
these
restoration
techniques,
or
some
of
these
things
we're
doing
is
to
make
this
not
get
worse.
E
How
do
we
do
that?
We
are
going
detail
field
assessments,
similar
things
to
did
with
the
Yellow
River.
We
walked
all
that
stream
or
floated
all
that
stream
made
notes
of
how
the
banks
look
like,
which
areas
are
bleeding
through
which
areas
are
a
grading
looking
at
at
the
modeling
and
and
data
that
we
have
to
understand,
really
understand
what's
happening
is
that
is:
are
we
losing
this
capacity
and
stream?
E
Is
that
coming
from
upstream
or
where
is
it
coming
from,
so
that
we
know
what
to
do
about
this
and
then
communicate
that
extent,
communication
big
deal
if
I
can
communicate
to
you
what's
happening,
I
think
most
people
will
understand.
You
know
that
strategies
makes
sense,
so
we're
gonna,
communicate
that
extent
of
existing
risk
and
also
talk
about
what
do
we
expect
in
the
future?
We
know
that
flows
are
increasing.
Is
the
solutions
arm
that
I
come
up
with
right
now?
E
If
everything
was
stationary,
I
come
up
with
a
solution,
it
would
help
the
problem,
but
what
if
the
situation
is
changing
if
the
rainfall
is
increasing,
some
of
the
techniques
may
not
work
anymore.
So
we
need
to
come
up
with
technique
that
that
address
that,
and
the
third
is,
is
the
identify
strategies
and
for
the
work
plan
and
what
we're
talking
about,
though,
where
do
I
do
what
I
know
that
some
of
these
techniques
would
work
which
I've
talked
about,
but
where
do
I
do?
E
That
is
that
from
section
to
this
section,
and
so
that's
a
type
of
a
strategies
to
issue-
and
we
don't
do
that
same
way
in
the
system-wide
approach,
the
same
way
we
did
in
Yellow
River
go.
What
do
we
do
in
the
watershed?
For
instance,
in
the
watershed
all
the
towns
cities
are
there,
you
know
having
runoff
coming
in
there.
You
have
a
big,
you
know
shopping
center
built.
Are
we
doing
enough
to
absorb
that
additional
runoff
in
the
agriculture
field?
E
Are
we
doing
enough
or
we
should
just
ditching
everything
getting
into
the
Kankakee
as
quick
as
possible,
or
are
there
some
things
we
need
to
be
doing
so?
We're
gonna
look
at
those
and
have
strategies,
define
and
explain
why
we
need
those
strategies
and
then
look
at
what
are
you
gonna
do
with
the
lateral
laterals
that
coming
into
the
Kankakee,
with
the
draining
their
land
and
along
the
stream
reach
by
reach?
E
What
are
the
issues
that
we
need
to
be
doing
every
want
to
do
that
in
a
joint
effort
with
Illinois,
because
we
have
a
legacy
problem
that
it's
handed
down
to
us
over
200
years.
They
have
been
doing
this
200
years
ago.
There
was
this
dredging
happening
in
Indiana
over
the
time.
We
have
been
contributing
problems
without
thinking
and
now
we
need
to
go
back
say
we
got
a
problem.
We
need
to
think
differently.
How
do
we
go
about
a
difference?
Ii?
E
And
so
so
that's
that's
that
that's
the
work
plan
that
we
have
in
mind.
We
are
excited
immensely
to
work
with
Illinois,
because
when
we
work
together
and
that's
another
thing-
that's
it's
in
studies
that
one
of
the
pinnacles
of
what
we
try
and
do
is
to
have
what
I
call
no
adverse
impact:
I'm
Anna
board
of
directors
for
the
floodplain
Association
national
flood.
This
institution
ASF
p.m.
and
one
of
the
things
we
pursuing
there
is
what
you
can't
do
is
fine,
but
is
a
good
neighbor
policy.
E
I
cannot
do
anything
that
hurt
somebody
else
and
once
we
understand
what's
happening
Illinois
it
helped
us
accomplish
that
better
versus
you
know.
Okay,
let's
send
this
water
quickly
down
what
we
was
gonna
hear.
Then
we
understand
what
the
limitations
are
here.
Do
that?
Well,
that's
what
the
value
of
this
bi-state
type
of
approach
is
is
to
understand
what
you
can
do
so
that
doesn't
hurt
one
another
and
have
a
solutions
that
work
for
both.
That's
all
I
have
I.
Think
that's
I
think
that's
my
last
slide,
I
believe
and
yep.
E
Construction
cost
right
now
this
was
a
pilot
project.
One
of
the
reason
for
pilot
project
was
to
understand
what
the
cost
could
be
yeah
or
what
we
could
do
for
this
particular
reach
was
about
half
a
mile
of
a
reach
right
on
two
sides
in
that
one,
and
it
came
about
half
a
million
dollars
a
little
bit
more
so
I
will
say
right
now.
We
have
our
estimates
about
a
million
dollar
a
mile
of
the
extreme
restoration,
but
we
don't
know.
E
We
think
that
by
having
a
different
techniques
in
in
delivery
like
first
that
this
project
was
done
designed
built
built-
and
we
think
some
of
these
projects
lend
themselves
better
into
design-build
targeting
where
you
are
adjusting
as
you
go
down
and
with
that
we
may
have
a
lower
cost.
Of
course,
is
you
have
a
longer
area?
We
have
less
cost,
so
we
thinking
that
the
cost
could
be
lowered,
but
but
that
was
what
we
experienced
was
in
that
area.
I
E
Yes,
we
were
in
the
middle
of
it.
Is
that
the
objective-
and
normally
you
don't
do
that?
Normally
you
go
from
upstream
all
the
way
from
downstream,
and
here
we
had
first
of
all
former
that
was
willing
for
work
with
us.
We
had
the
worst
problems
that
we
saw
along
the
Yellow
River
in
this
area,
so
we
were
looking
at
different,
reaches
and
and
for
the
demonstration
projects
we
chose
they
because
I
think
we
were.
E
We
were
challenged,
say
well,
you
know,
of
course,
it's
easier
to
do
it
here,
because
this
height
is
only
this
much
say:
okay,
what
is
the
worst
area?
Let's
go
there,
and
so
we
are
triggering
that
whatever
in
the
middle.
That's
not
the
way
we
want
to
do
necessarily
because
we
all
have
but
still
is
tied
down
into
a
stable
reach
in
the
upstream
and
stabilized
downstream,
which
was
the
important
ones,
is.
E
Right
now
has
been,
all
state
has
been
no
federal
share
and
but
I
think
there
are
thoughts
that
federal
share
could
be
coming
in
now,
that's
tricky
anyway.
I
don't
know
who's
on
the
audience,
but
I
tell
it.
What
it
is
is
that,
within
a
lot
of
times
when
you
talking
about
federal,
share,
federal
shares
comes
through
core
engineer
and
core
engineer
gets
its
study
and
it's
going
to
be
ten
years
of
studying
and
a
lot
of
things.
E
So
that's
the
drawback
of
that
for
me
really
appreciate
what
they
have
their
limitations
and
what
they
can
be
done.
Oh,
is
it
and
that
they
have
done
studies,
of
course,
and
a
as
you
are
aware,
on
Kankakee
when
million
dollars
studies
and
did
you
know
it
concluded
that
there
was
no
benefit
cost
ratio,
so
we
didn't
want
to
get
there.
The
state,
funding
and
stuff
like
that.
You
don't
have
that
limitation.
If.
E
Would
say
so
and
and
the
Corps
or
other
agencies
US,
Fish
and
Wildlife,
and
there
are
several
areas,
because
one
thing
is
happening
here
and
I
fail
to
mention
is
that
what
we
are
approaching
here
is
the
ecosystem
approach.
We're
doing
is
that
we
believe
that,
if
a
to
solve
the
flooding,
you
also
solve
your
water
quality
problem.
You
solve
your
all
your
recreation.
These
are
all
related
together.
A
stable
system
is
stable
in
every
way
and
so
I
think
what
the
solutions
we
are.
E
You
know
solving
we're
trying
to
solve
the
sediment
problem
and
flooding
problem,
but
because
the
approach
that
we
are
having
is
also
gonna
be
ending
up
in
an
environmentally
better
system
and
therefore
I
think
there
are
agencies
that
are
interested
in
that
in
that
sort
of
so
I'm,
pretty
sure
that
we
have
some
federal
help.
How
do
we
come
in?
Is
that
going
to
be
in
the
pursue
this
study
or
what
they're
gonna
be
in
this
work
plan?
Or
is
it
gonna,
be?
You
know,
diverted
to
some
other
type
of
a
all?
E
F
Used
to
their
large
classroom
in
the
morning,
but
one
of
the
things
we
have
this
time,
working
on
the
yellow
and
now
Gant
key
that
we're
excited
about
is
we
have
a
lot
of
support
from
our
state
legislators.
We
have
not
really
seen
that
and
asked
the
degree
that
we
have
now,
so
we
think
that's
going
to
trigger
some
more
interest
from
the
federal
government
as
well.
F
E
Funding,
this
is
still
a
question.
Is
legislators
in
Indiana
or
thinking
about?
How
can
we
come
up
with
the
funding
and
and
one
of
the
items
there
is
that
book
a
legislator
can
maybe
from
taxes
and
stuff
come
up,
but
another
thing
is
this:
assessment
of
that
is
the
locals
having
some
sort
of
a
assessment
within
their
watershed
to
either
cost
share,
with
some
federal
or
state
thing,
or
just
have
some
of
that
thing
maintained.
So
these
are
type
of
things
that
are.
E
J
Chairman
wheeler,
thank
you
thank
you.
I
did
want
to
want
to
speak
to
mr.
Altos
question
the
part
of
the
the
reason
that
this
is
happening
right
now
and
that
that
the
Indiana
side
has
already
approved.
There
are
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
put
this
work
plan
together,
so
they
can
take
that
to
Indianapolis
as
part
of
the
capital
bill
at
the
end
of
the
year,
so
they're
going
to
be
going
for
anywhere
from
80
to
100
million
dollars
to
take
care
of
that
hole.
J
I
per
whatever
is
laid
out
in
the
plan
now
our
side
of
its
a
little
bit
different
because
we
don't
have
a
pilot
project
per
se
over
here.
Our
side
are
asked
in
a
few
minutes
and
we
get
into
it
is
gonna,
be
about
what
we've
got.
You
know
we're
gonna
come
assuming
use
all
the
previous
studies
that
have
been
put
out
there.
E
J
J
If
you
have
bi-state
efforts
on
these
systems,
yes
through
through
FEMA
the
amount
of
money
we
spend
on,
you
know
for
for
disaster
relief
and
things
like
that
and
like
we're
talking
about
flood
mitigation,
the
bi-state
has
a
better
chance
than
each
individual
state
going
together,
I'm
finding
that
our
federal
legislators
are
in
tune
with
the
problem
and
I
think
that
as
our
Illinois
side,
we,
you
know
the
meeting
I
hosted
in
Moline
will
mess
with
the
state
senators
from
Illinois
and
Indiana.
Indiana
came
over
to
my
office
and
moments'
representative
Parkhurst.
J
Was
there
we
on
the
phone
we
had?
You
know
Senator
Hutchinson's
representative
was
there
we
had
the
actual
legislator
from
Indiana
Shabazz
was
there
was?
Was
there
as
well?
Mr.
Barr
was
there.
It
was
my
counterpart
from
Lake
County
Indiana
other
representatives
from
the
surveyors
over
there.
They
actually
have
money
to
spend
on
drainage,
it's
kind
of
a
different
situation.
We
have
drainage
districts
that
aren't
funded
here,
but
over
there
they
have
a
paid;
they
actually
have
to
devote
resource
towards
it.
J
So,
for
the
first
time
it
seemed
and
from
what
I'm
hearing
historic
that
we're
all
on
the
same
page,
that
you
know
two
different
solutions,
don't
work.
It
has
to
be
one
to
to
your
point.
So
I
want
to
explain
like
part
of
this
is:
is
that
federal
aspect?
Could
we
get
it
included
in
a
farm
bill
because
there's
a
lot
of
flooding?
You
know
that
interrupts
farming,
you
know,
I
mean
these
are
all
ifs
and
buts,
but
I
mean
you
have
to
think
like
that,
because
we
don't
have
the
money
here.
J
When
we
talk
about
assessments,
it
could
be
something
like
you
know.
If
our
plan
happens
to
include
you
know
residual
dredging,
you
know
throughout
to
clean
things
out
over
the
years.
How
do
we
fund
that
locally?
And
maybe
it's
a
Conservancy
District
throughout
the
river,
where
we
can
do
that
and
also
pays
for
lodges
and
things
like
that
for
the
enjoyment
of
the
river?
Those
are
things
that
will
bring
to
our
taxpayers
when
the
time
comes
and.
E
Chairman
wheeler
I
appreciate
that
you
brought
that
up
because
I
think
you're,
just
you
triggered
something
in
there.
One
of
the
things
we
have
been
looking
for
artists
in
Indiana.
They
build
looking
at
okay,
I,
don't
want
to
dredge
this
one
dredge
this
river
and
stuff,
and
we
a
lot
of
times
say
well,
is
the
dredging
the
best
thing
you
can
do
if
it
is
effective
and
I
don't
care
about
agency
is
proving
not
approving.
That's
that's.
E
The
secondary
thing
to
me
is
that
the
best
thing
you
can
do
in
terms
of
dredging,
but
sometimes
dredging
first
of
all
is
is
it's
it's
a
costly
and
it's
just
do,
but
also
it
has
negative
impacts
and
when
we
had
seen
that
in
Indiana,
when
you
have
a
dredging
here,
so
you're
lowering
the
flow
line
down
here.
So
it's
sense
that
this
stream
is
working
in
concert
with
upstream
areas
and
say:
okay,
so
I'm
lower
here
you're
up
here,
I
need
to
your
lower
it
down
here.
E
So
nature
tries
to
carve
that
areas
to
bring
it
down
and
what
happens
then
you
have
banks
that
are
falling
down,
so
it's
not
necessarily
the
best
time
and
that's
one
of
the
strategy.
That's
where
these
work
plan
we're
trying
to
say.
Okay,
you
have
the
alternative
to
dredge.
You
have
alternative
to
raise
the
banks
put
the
levy
up
there.
E
That's
why
we
want
to
have
a
some
recommendation
based
on
science
based
on
morphology,
based
on
long-term
sustainability,
based
on
changing
climate,
saying
that
maybe
dredging
is
not
your
way
in
this
location
may
be
in
this
location
may
be
behind
the
six
mile
pool.
Maybe
that's
the
way
to
do
it,
but
not
necessarily
this
area,
and
that's
one
of
those
key
aspect
of
our
approach.
Is
this
three
to
I
reach?
What
is
the
best
solution?
You
have
and
I
think
with
that
solution.
J
So,
as
I
mentioned
before,
you
know,
the
politicians
aren't
taking
boat
rides,
but
Shivaji
is
today
I.
Think
you're
gonna
go
with
a
mr.
Barr
we're
gonna
the
anglers
and
the
Kankakee
River
Basin
Commission
are
gonna,
get
him
out
there
between.
You
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
the
the
moments'
to
the
state
line
side
of
there,
so
it
doesn't
need
to
go
there.
J
So
if
I
could,
mr.
chairman,
the
I
was
I
finally
got
word
from
aqua
Illinois,
our
water
company
today
that
they're
willing
to
underwrite
half
of
our
25,000,
so
they
just
asked
if
we
could
split
it
up
between
this
and
the
next
budget
year
and
I
thought
that
was
a
good
offer
from
a
community
partner.
I
thought
was
very
gracious.
I
should
have
asked
for
the
whole
thing
no
I'm
just
kidding,
but
no
I
really
appreciate
that
and
from
aqua
they
they
showed
a
true
commitment
to
our
area.
J
By
doing
that,
so
I
would
say
that
if
they're,
the
motion
that
will
be
made
from
the
committee
would
be
a
not
to
exceed
25,000
and
as
I
get
more
money
from
other
grants
that
we're
going
for.
We
already
know
it's
12
to
12
five
right
now.
That's
all
we
need,
so
that's
the.
What
I
would
ask
the
committee
for
is
that
authorization
not
to
exceed
25,
knowing
that
half
of
that
is
already
taken.
So
if
anyone
wants
to
make
that
motion,
miss.
L
B
A
B
E
A
M
M
Mobile
home
bills
are
in
the
mail
and
will
be
due
two
months
from
today.
Essentially,
there
was
some
confusion
with
a
couple:
taxing
districts
and
I
wanted
to
raise
this
in
case
somebody
asks
the
law
calls
for
30
days
between
due
dates
of
tax
bills
and
first
distribution,
and
then
a
distribution
essentially
30
days
every
30
days
from
their
own
out
to
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year
to
the
final
distribution
I
know.
M
In
the
past,
the
money
was
distributed
right
away
after
the
the
deadlines
for
taxes
and
I've
taken
a
different
philosophy,
as
relates
to
that
this
year
our
interest
rate
went
from
0.7
0
percent
last
year
to
1.7
to
this
year,
which
allowed
us
to
make
about
a
hundred
and
thirty
thousand
dollars
in
interest
in
that
first
30
day
period.
So
we're
hoping
to
maybe
make
a
quarter
of
a
million
dollars
in
interest
during
the
distribution.
M
M
M
That's
on
the
books
now
and
I
might
remind
everybody
that
September
4th
is
the
final
second
installment
due
date,
so
the
final
due
date
for
taxes
we've
taken
in
so
far
the
levy
is
around
one
hundred
and
ninety,
two
and
I
think
we're
at
around
14
right
now,
so
we're
over
half
now
we're
feeling
good,
we'll
taking
the
rest
over
the
next
couple
months.
So
any
I.
J
J
M
Haven't
and
that's
a
great
idea
and
I
will
I
will
actually
send
a
formal
letter
to
Lindsey
Parker.
Today,
that's
a
great
idea:
I
have
talked
to
them
several
times.
I
know.
If
my
memory
serves
me
correctly,
there's
eight
of
us
that
were
new
treasures
that
came
in
at
the
same
time
that
are
all
in
the
same
boat
and
obviously
my
reason
for
putting
on
the
record
is
I.
Don't
want
to
be
blamed
for
not
having
gone
through
the
training
when
it's
not
been
available
so.
N
You
mr.
chairman,
mr.
Africana
last
fall
mr.
Payton
and
I
and
mr.
skimmer
Horne,
and
you
talked
about
the
vacant
properties
that
come
up
at
the
tech
sale
and
we
talked
about
having
a
different
minimum
for
vacant
properties
that
did
not
have
improvements
on
them
at
the
tech
sale.
Did
you
pursue
that
at
all
I'm
really
concerned,
at
least
in
my
district
and
I
know
mr.
Payton's
district
miss
Polk's
district,
probably
that
we
have
a
lot
of
vacant
properties
they
didn't
sell
at
600,
there's
no
way
they're
gonna
sell
at
750.
N
M
To
our
trustee
about
that,
in
my
understanding
is
we
can
do
as
a
board
whatever
we
choose
to
do,
we
make
the
rules,
because
essentially
the
trustee
works
for
us
that
so
that
would
be
something
we
have
to
work
through
here.
I'm,
not
certain
that
time
would
allow
that,
but
it
may
still
okay,
so
I
would
entertain.
M
I
would
entertain
any
ideas
from
the
floor,
but,
as
you
know,
my
feeling
on
and
and
I
certainly
agree
with,
where
you're
coming
from
and
I
it's
a
challenge
that
that
we
all
want
to
fix
and
I
spent
some
time
at
a
community
meetings
in
the
first
and
second
Ward's
same.
You
know
we
talked
about
these
issues
and
they
create
they
create
a
lot
of
problem
for
people.
M
You
know
in
terms
of
not
being
mowed
and
and
it's
just
they're,
problematic
and
and
I
know
there
are.
There-
are
citizens
out
there
that
want
to
know
if
it's
possible
to
create
some
sort
of
adoption
program?
So
there
are
a
lot
of
things
on
the
table.
I
know
we
had
talked
about
and
we
had
met
once
and
I
intend
that
we'll
meet
more.
Obviously,
right
now,
it's
just
a
terribly
busy
time
for
my
office.
N
Thank
you
in
regards
to
those
properties.
At
that
initial
meeting,
we
discussed
working
with
municipalities
I
know,
for
instance,
there
was
a
property
in
Manteno
that
was
zero
access
right
along
a
pond
or
something
that
the
pond
belongs
to
that.
Have
you
worked
with
any
of
the
municipalities
to
try
to
sort
of
push
those
off
onto
municipality
ownership,
I.
M
M
A
J
Know
that
one
of
our
one
of
our
board
members
has
a
doctor's
appointment
to
go
to
so
I
would
like
to
try
to
at
least
maybe
amend
the
agenda
to
include
the
things
we
have
to
vote
on.
First,
in
order
the
finance
section,
which
would
be
starting
with
transfer
of
remaining
seed
app,
then
we
can
go
into
the
miscellaneous
and
cashflow
at
the
end
of
that
mm-hmm.
If
that's
acceptable,
just
in
case
we
start
to
run
out
of
time,
see.
A
A
O
All
right,
good
morning,
as
most
of
you
may
recall,
we
did
this
last
year's
transferred
some
of
the
seed
funds
for
various
projects.
That
project
is
now
done
as
far
as
the
state's
concerned
in
a
dollar
amount
that
we
have
right
now
is
the
one
hundred
fifty
two
thousand
two
hundred
fifty
seven
dollars
I
will
add.
We
will
cross
over
from
July
to
August,
so
there
may
be
a
little
bit
more
interest,
so
the
amount
may
be
slightly
larger.
So
we'll
do
if
you
would
just
add
you
know
that
amount
plus
interest.
O
O
Many
of
you
may
recall
that
the
state
was
doing
various
grants
for
repairs
and
upgrades.
We
did
spend
that
those
funds
on
projects
within
the
courthouse.
However,
we
never
received
the
reimbursement
for
that.
We've
carried
it,
we've
communicated
with
the
state
and
through
talking
with
chairman
wheeler
and
the
outside
auditors,
our
communication
with
the
state
where
we
believe
it's
time
to
just
write
it
off
that
we
will
not
receive
that
so
so
the
offset
would
be
approximately
so
being
zero
neutral
transaction
to
the
general
fund.
O
J
Thank
you
basically,
that
it
was
we
had
to
address
it.
The
auditors
are
like
you
can't
keep
carrying
this
in
my
communications
with
Springfield.
That
money
is
not
coming.
This
grant
was
given
out
at
the
time
the
governor
at
that
time
was
going
around
the
state,
giving
out
grants,
pre-election
with
no
funding
source,
and
so
when
the
governor's
office
changed
governor,
rauner
just
shut
it
all
down
and
said
these
grants.
We
don't
have
the
money
to
pay
these
grants
and
it
wasn't
just
us.
This
is
all
over
the
state.
J
A
B
O
O
The
million
dollars
for
the
new
agreement
with
will
County
for
the
river
valley,
juvenile
detention
center
and
then
additional
260
thousand
for
a
TIF
distribution
are
the
the
highlights
of
the
revenue
and
then
related
to
that
would
be.
You
know,
there's
some
expense
items.
Changing
health
insurance.
J
Know,
I,
don't
have
the
actual
numbers
here,
my
pack
I,
don't
we've
worked
on
him
for
the
weeks.
I
should
know
everything
down
to
the
penny
already,
but
I
guess
there's
just
a
couple
of
things
of
note.
Health
insurance
is
up
because
we
have
hired
quite
a
few
people,
obviously
in
the
corrections
department.
So
obviously
we
didn't
account
for
that
when
we
did
the
original
budget
on
the
hiring.
So
that's
why
you
would
see
an
increase
in
health
insurance.
That's
the
county
share
of
it,
but
then
trying
to
take.
J
We
had
some
things
that
were
being
charged
to
the
tort
fund
and
the
state's
attorney's
office.
It
had
to
move
to
the
general
fund,
so
you'll
see
some
increases
there
through.
You
know
fixing
a
problem
that
was
created
well
last
budget
year.
Obviously,
so
we
corrected
those
practices
trying
to
think
if
there
was
anything
else.
That
was
a
note.
J
Those
were
the
two
major
ones
that
stuck
out
you
know.
We
obviously
have
to
account
for
all
the
new
revenue
that
we've
had
and
and
it's
it's
historic-
the
revenue
that
we're
getting
out
of
our
programs
with
DHS
and
and
also
the
increased
costs
that
are
associated
with
it.
So
it's
really
just
kind
of
balance
the
books
and
to
take
a
picture
of
what
we
believe
the
will
will
look
like
the
rest
of
the
year
and
then
obviously
the
expense
number
comes
from
the
sheriff
on
what
he
believes.
L
L
O
Invoices
claimed
for
payments
to
the
flower
shop
from
the
Sheriff's
Department
and
the
only
information
I
have
it's
published
purpose
question
mark
that
came
from
the
author's
office.
They
did
not
usually
there's
initials
that
where
it
says
auditor
in
the
bottom
right
corner
there.
So
it's
for
review
and
input
from
committee
and
the
elected
officials
and
parking
heads
so.
J
He
wants
to
that's
the
state
statute,
so
I
will
say
that
you
know,
in
this
case
it's
well
within
the
purview
of
the
auditor,
to
question
anything,
and
we
welcome
that
questioning.
But
in
this
case
it's
really
not
for
us
to.
We
have
no
control
over
the
Sheriff's
Department.
So
if
he
wants
to
buy
those
flowers
he
can
we
can
have
a
policy
and
that's
my
opinion.
That's
been
what
we
said.
J
I
said
yesterday
about
the
flower
policy:
I
was
one
of
voted
against
it,
I
didn't
think
we
should
do
it,
but
that's
really
up
to
this
committee,
but
ultimately
know
that
the
sheriff
can
and
I
sure
can
comment
if
he
wants
to
abide
by
this
or
not
abide
by
this,
because
really
it's
his
call.
In
my
opinion,
others
on
this
committee
may
feel
differently.
K
However,
as
credit
goes,
we
didn't
get
a
call
back
from
anybody
saying
hey.
Why
are
there
two
I
mean
that
would
have
been
a
simple
phone
call?
It
would
have
been
a
simple
fix.
We
didn't
get
that
phone
call,
but
upon
looking
at
the
agenda
and
talking
to
mr.
McCarty
and
figuring
out
that
there
was
a
question
on
those
flowers,
we
figured
out
why
there
were
two
invoices.
The
FOP
sent
one
we
sent
one,
so
the
FOP
is
actually
in
the
process
of
submitting
the
check
for
that
second
floral
arrangement.
K
A
N
H
B
H
G
J
Our
executive
scuse
me
just
scrambled
the
executive
committee
yesterday
passed
unanimously,
except
for
one
that
they
wanted
to
keep
a
flower
policy,
but
make
it
you
know
or
Memorial
in
the
case
of
passing
of
a
board
member
or
immediate
family,
as
defined
within
that
ordinance,
to
cut
out
all
the
other
things
for
births
and
hospitals
and
all
that
other
stuff
to
keep
the
amount
or
up
the
amount
to
$70.
That
goes
before
the
full
board
for
them
to
decide.
J
If
they
want
to
to
do
that,
you
know
to
up
the
amount
in
you
know
limit
what
we
spend
it
on.
So
that's
that
was
a
decision
of
executive
that
will
go
before
there's
nothing
before
this
committee,
though,
on
that
amount,
we're
considering
whether
we
approve
this
expense
with
the
policy
that
currently
is
in
place.
K
Come
on
sheriff
sorry,
mr.
Kinzinger,
but
I'm
just
gonna
answer
your
question.
So
far
this
year
in
2018,
we
have
spent
one
hundred
ninety
six
dollars
on
flowers.
In
2017
we
spent
three
hundred
and
four
dollars
on
flowers.
In
2016
we
spent
$59
on
flowers
and
in
2015
we
spent
a
hundred
fifty
five
dollars
on
flowers.
If
that
helps.
J
J
H
A
A
B
L
O
From
conference
travel
some
meal
reimbursements,
we
see
the
notations
at
the
bottom
and
I
believe
all
of
you
received
an
email
with
this,
but
the
chairman
initialed
it
with
instructions
to
pay
it
and
to
bring
the
committee
after
we
reviewed
the
policy
and
a
lot
of
that
policy
which
was
discussed
yesterday
surrounding
that.
So
it's
here
for
discussion
and
consideration
as
well.
Mr.
chairman,
if
we
want
to
add
anything
in
it,
just
one
yeah.
J
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
the
as
far
as
the
actual
claim
itself,
I
just
want
to
draw
attention
to
some
of
the
particulars
on
the
claim.
First,
is
it
was
submitted
on
June
12th
it
received
on
June
13th
in
the
county
auditor's
office,
but
it
took
thirteen
days
for
it
to
reach
the
finance
department,
which
it
was
the
day
of
a
right
before.
Excuse
me
the
day
before
our
Finance
Committee
meeting.
So
it
was
not
an
agenda
item,
so
we
couldn't
vote
on
it
and
at
that
particular
meeting.
J
So
that
would
have
meant
that
the
the
employee
would
have
waited
two
months
to
be
reimbursed
for
their
expenses
because
it
would've
had
to
go
through
this
committee
and
then
the
full
board
again
on
the
approval,
which
would
be
in
two
weeks
from
now.
What
was
the
question
was
a
thirteen
dollar
deduction
which
again
there
is
no
authority
to
actually
change
the
amounts
on
the
claim
only
to
object
by
the
auditor's
office.
J
So
when
the
aunt,
when
that
was
done,
I
my
decision
was
because,
according
to
County
Handbook
I
have
that
authority
as
the
department
had
any
claim
deemed
appropriate.
That
is
in
the
county
handbook
to
pay
it,
but
still
want
to
bring
it
in
front
of
the
committee.
The
decision
was
made
because,
first
of
all,
it's
it's
$13,
okay,
and
the
second
thing
is,
if
I
short
pay
it,
the
committee
says:
pay
it.
J
It
cost
the
county
anywhere
from
100
to
250
dollars
in
an
actual
cost,
to
cut
a
check,
so
it's
easier
to
get
13
dollars
back
from
it
and
to
spend
$150.
That's
called
really
poor
financial
decision-making
to
spend
a
lot
of
money
to
get
a
little
bit
of
return,
and
so
I
was
gonna
waste
county
resources
and
still
give
this
committee
the
opportunity
to
say
that
this
employee
was
not
due
that
money.
The
other
part
of
that
was
is.
J
If
you
look
at
our
financial
policy,
there
is
no
policy
according
to
the
GSA,
where
it
says
that
our
employees
should
only
get
75%
our
policy
and
our
in
and
our
County
Administrator
explained
it
yesterday
pretty
well
that
we
only
use
the
GSA
is
determining
the
price
of,
let's
just
say,
hamburger
and
Kankakee
versus
Chicago
versus
LA.
It
determines
those
reimbursement
rates,
whether
it's
51
or
53
or
whatever
else.
Specifically.
It
says
that
in
our
policy
it
doesn't
say
anything
else
about
mileage
from
your
house
versus
mileage
from
the
county.
J
Actually,
it
says
that
you
get
paid
from
where
you
work
to
your
conference.
That's
a
whole
nother
situation
where
people
are
be
having
things
deducted
from
their
their
reimbursements,
based
on
an
assertion
that
it's
shorter
to
go
from
your
house.
That's
in
the
GSA,
but
that's
not
in
our
policy.
We
don't
rely
on
the
GSA
for
that.
J
He
when
we
changed
our
per
diem
policy
and
it
was
not
published
in
the
workbook
and
a
good
employee
handbook
that
we
had
ever
received.
That
was
on
us.
That
was
our
mistake
because
our
previous
HR
person
did
not
distribute
the
new
policy
to
everybody
in
the
county.
People
didn't
know
about
it.
That's
our
mistake,
that's
not
happening
now.
We
know
what
our
policy
is
and
we
know
what
it
says.
What's.
A
I
J
N
L
N
P
Good
morning,
mr.
chairman,
thank
you
very
much.
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
bring
some
clarification
to
a
few
things,
the
first
being
in
terms
of
the
timeline
with
that
particular
travel.
There
were
also
credit
card
expenses
associated
with
that,
and
so
you
have
to
put
them
both
together
to
make
sure
that
you're
not
over
the
allocated
amounts
and
so
forth.
So
we
do
apologize.
P
So
there
was
a
delay,
but
when
you
charge
the
county
credit
card
and
you
pay
for
personal
expenditures
and
we're
personal
expenses
out
of
your
pocket,
we
do
have
to
compare
the
two
and
obviously
the
transaction
cycle
with
the
credit
cards
and
the
statements
and
all
of
that
I
have
to
take
place.
So
just
to
note
that,
but
I
would
draw
your
attention
to
the
county
policy
where
it
says
daily,
non-cumulative
per
diem.
This
alignment
is
prorated
up
to
half
the
daily
per
diem.
P
The
employee
will
receive
the
per
diem
for
Kankakee
County
comma,
set
by
the
General
Services
Administration
comma,
not
is
in
bold
the
destination
venue.
Now,
if
we
go
to
the
General
Services
Administration
and
we
look
at
the
per
diem
rate
for
zip
code,
six,
zero,
nine,
zero
one,
the
meals
and
incidentals
cap
is
$51.
Note
five
in
the
footnote
says:
Mills
and
incidental
expenses
see
breakdown
of
Mills
and
incidental
and
expenses
for
important
information
on
the
first
and
last
days
of
travel.
P
If
we
go
to
that
footnote,
footnote
3,
Mills
and
incidentals
of
expenses,
this
column
lists
the
amount
federal
employees
receive
and
the
first
and
last
day
of
travel.
The
first
and
last
calendar
day
of
travel
must
be
at
75%.
Now,
while
I
personally
don't
agree
that
we
connect
things
to
what
federal
employees
follow,
we
say
the
General
Services
Administration
and
the
policy,
and
so
the
burden
of
proof
is
on
the
individual
who
spends
the
money
to
justify
that
expense.
Not
on
my
office.
P
P
So
if
we're
going
to
kind
of
go
back
and
forth
with
talking
about
what
is
and
isn't,
policy
I
think
we
need
to
take
it
as
a
corpus
of
activity
and
material
and
really
talk
about
the
whole
thing,
and
we
then
have
to
step
back
to
article
8
of
the
Constitution
public
funds,
property
or
credit
shall
be
used
only
for
public
purposes.
That
means
not
just
every
dollar,
but
every
cent
must
be
for
a
public
purpose
and
the
amount
it
does
not
matter.
P
It's
the
principle,
and
if
we
are
going
to
coerce
people
to
give
us
their
money
their
tax
dollars,
we
have
to
be
good
stewards
over
those
tax
dollars.
This
isn't
a
business
where
you
make
a
sale
and
you
spend
the
money.
The
way
you
want
to
this
is
government
where
the
money
that
comes
in
is
coerced.
So
we
have
a
fight
to
Sherry
responsibility
to
be
good
stewards
over
it.
Thank
You,
mr.
chairman,
I,.
J
Just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
under
the
correct
impression
of
well
I'll,
go
ahead
and
state
our
policy.
Our
policy
states
that
you
have
to
have
a
receipt
for
any
of
those
expenses.
You
know
a
proper
receipt
with
the
amounts
on
it,
and
also
you
have
to
have
the
itinerary
for
whatever
event
you're
going
to
okay.
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear,
because
that's
also
part
of
the
policy,
unless
there's
an
objection,
I
will
assume
that
the
auditor
agrees
with
that
for
all
no
matter
who
you
are.
You
have
to
have
that.
A
P
Would
certainly
agree
with
that
that
you
have
to
produce
those
agendas.
We
have
had
situations
where
people
did
not
produce
agendas
and
we
do
send
that
information
out
in
an
effort
to
collaborate
with
folks
and,
generally
speaking,
we
always
get
the
agenda
and
we
get
the
receipts.
So
most
people
are
compliant.
P
B
J
L
A
K
So
good
morning,
as
far
as
the
first
item
on
the
agenda,
the
update
a
couple
things
too
just
for
your
information
ice
is
still
going
very
well.
But
again,
as
I
said,
to
the
criminal
justice
committee,
it's
it's
not
just
ice.
Our
numbers
of
US
Marshal
inmates
have
have
has
risen
significantly,
which
has
obviously
helped
us.
So
we
we
continue
and
I
I
do
the
same
thing.
K
We
continue
to
refer
to
ice
and
I'm,
trying
to
get
myself
to
just
refer
to
out
of
county
revenue
as
opposed
to
just
ice
or
US
Marshall
or
Cook
County.
So
that
is
going
very
well.
We
are,
as
you
saw
in
Steve's
report
back
in
May
I,
believe
we
were
at
nine
hundred
and
fifty
nine
thousand
in
June,
which
is
a
day
less
than
July.
K
For
those
of
you,
thirty
days
has
September
June
a
November,
so
30
days
in
June
we
were
at
914
thousand
and
we're
averaging
about
thirty
thousand
thirty
one
thousand
dollars
a
day.
So
if
you
take
the
nine
fourteen,
the
30
years,
you're
up
to
around
9:45,
so
that's
where
that
number
is
off
right
now
as
of
today,
if
our
numbers
stay
anywhere
relatively
close
to
where
they're
at
July
will
be
around
980
thousand,
so
our
numbers
are
significantly
improving
and
I.
Think
that's
reflected
in
Steve's
report.
K
One
side
note
our
locals
are
increasing.
So
obviously
that's
our
first
responsibility
is
to
our
locals
and,
and
whatever
happens
locally,
we
are
certainly
responsible
for
them.
So
I
just
want
to
remind
the
committee
that
you
know,
as
I've
told
both
committees
before
we
are
turning
out
of
County
inmates
and
detainees
away,
because
we're
not
gonna
put
the
inmates
and
detainees
and
our
staff
in
a
situation
where
it
could
be
bad
for
either
our
staff
or
the
inmates
or
detainees.
K
We
do
have
a
responsibility
to
keep
everybody
safe
so,
but
you
should
know
that
we
have
turned
people
away
our
deputies
for
those
of
you
that
have
seen
any
advertisement
out
there.
There
hasn't
been
much,
but
they
are
out
today
today
is
Illinois
speed,
Awareness
Day.
So
if
you're
speeding
just
be
aware
of
it
and.
K
Today,
you
might
be
more
apt
to
get
a
ticket
than
tomorrow,
but
just
so
you
know,
and
one
of
the
notes
that
we
talked
about
earlier
just
just
to
clarify
before
we
get
to
the
second
item-
the
insurance,
the
increase
in
insurance
cost
on
the
correction
side,
because
we
have
added
significant
number
of
employees
which
is
accurate.
It
is
amazing
to
me,
though,
that
a
lot
of
these
I
call
them
kids.
Now
I,
never
thought
I'd
get
to
that
point,
but
I
do
:.
Kids
are
still
on
their
parent's
insurance.
K
So
the
the
the
impact
that
these
new
hires
have
from
an
insurance
standpoint
aren't
as
they're
significant,
but
not
as
significant
as
we
thought
they
might
be.
It's
amazing
the
number
of
these
new
employees
that
are
still
on
their
parent's
insurance.
So
that's
certainly
a
plus
for
us
too,
it
does
have
a
it
does,
have
an
impact,
but
it's
not
quite
as
severe
as
what
we
thought
it
was
going
to
be
so.
K
Nothing
has
really
changed
between
the
last
finance
meeting
the
criminal
justice
meeting
and
then
this
finance
meeting
so
I
don't
know
if
you
want
me
to
continue
to
talk
about
similar
things
that
we
talked
about
last
month.
I
can
certainly
remind
this
committee
and
those
here
in
attendance
about
it,
but
you
know
we
have.
K
We
have
indicated
through
all
of
our
financial
information
that
we
have
that
you
know
with
this
program
and
the
way
it's
going
now
and
it's
probably
a
bigger
number
now,
but
you
know
we
are
saving
our
taxpayers
for
point
at
least
4.4
million
dollars
a
year
in
what
it
would
cost
to
run
our
own
Jail.
Without
these
inmates
and
detainees
and
what
I'm
asking
for
and
I
you
know
again,
I
didn't
ask
for
12
to
start
tomorrow.
I've
asked
for
12
over
over
a
three-year
period
that
will
get
us
to
a
more
workable
number.
K
So
you
know
again
the
cost
the
total
cost
for
those
twelve
over
the
course
of
the
next
three
years
would
be
about
$800,000,
even
if
you
deduct
that
800,000
from
the
4.4
million
you're
still
at
3.6
million
that
you're
saving
taxpayers
I
know
that
our
goal
and
it's
all
of
our
goals,
believe
me
our
goal
is
to
get
our
budget
numbers
back
to
where
we
want
a
surplus.
There
I,
don't
think,
there's
anybody
in
this
room
that
has
any
other
goals
besides.
K
That
me
included,
however,
in
in
something
that
took
upwards
of
12
years
to
get
to
as
far
as
the
deficit
to
try
to
get
it
back
in
three
years,
which
is
very
Admiral
and
admirable,
and
in
this
board
and
the
department,
heads
and
elected
officials
are
done,
a
great
job
in
saving
money,
but
I
think
it's
difficult
and
I
think
it's
it's
a
nun,
it's
unfair
to
ask
our
department
or
any
other
department
to
say:
hey.
We
want
to
get
back
to
zero
in
three
years.
Q
We
got
four
months
left
in
this
year
and
we're
almost
to
the
point
where
we
are
having
a
balanced
budget.
My
suggestion
is
that
and
I
understand
we
need
them.
There's
no
doubt
about
that.
I
suggest
you
know,
and
we're
gonna
need
to
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
we're
gonna
need
to
at
the
have
to
hire
two
people
for
the
machine
at
the
probation
department
and.
Q
Q
K
At
the
machine
but
understand
and
and
since
you
brought
them
the
deputies
at
that
facility
up
hiring
too
I
mean,
even
if
you
were
to
say
right
now,
we're
not
gonna
give
you
the
12
we're
just
gonna
hire
two
that
would
still
hurt
us,
because
what
would
happen
is
on
you
know
everybody
as
we've
talked
about
county
benefits
and
everything
else,
everybody
has
days
off.
Everybody
has
sick
time.
Everybody
has
comp
time,
everybody
has
vacation.
K
Q
N
N
K
N
N
K
N
K
N
N
K
And
you're,
right
and
timing
is
obviously
everything
but
understand
that
we
have
hired
the
last
few
replacements
that
we've
made
have
been
replaced
with
lat.
What
are
called
lateral
officers,
in
other
words,
they
they
have
been
police
officers
somewhere
else
and
they
come
over.
So
we
didn't
have
to
train
them.
To
find
12
is
gonna,
be
virtually
impossible.
So
we
will,
you
know
we
are
planning
to
test
for
those.
So
you
know
even
to
hire
new
ones.
You're
not
gonna,
get
a
new
and
hired.
A
J
J
So
what
I
plan
on
doing
was
was
putting
these
two
positions
for
probation,
because
there
is
an
obligation
to
protect
and
secure
that
building
and
then
also
have
another
two
people
from
the
road,
but
have
that
happen
as
soon
as
we
turn
our
first
black
dollar
and
we're
out
of
the
hole?
And
that
would
be
in
the
February
March
area,
okay
and
then
hire
two
more
patrolmen
and
build
it
into
the
budget,
because
you
can't
go
spending
money
before
you
have
the
money,
that's
how
we
got
into
this
situation.
J
Okay
and
that's
what
I
was
gonna
propose
to
this
committee,
that
we
say
yes,
we're
gonna,
do
this,
you
have
our
psychological
commitment,
I
guess
to
do
that
over
the
course
of
the
next
few
years
to
get
back
to
that
number,
but
to
come
in
and
first,
you
can't
buy
in
the
future
boards.
The
second
thing
is,
you
can't
spend
money
before
you
have
it.
That
would
be
irresponsible.
Now.
J
The
conversations
that
I've
had
with
probation
and
probation
has
had,
with
the
chief
judge
and
also
the
probation,
has
been
keeping
the
sheriff
in
tune
with
what
they
expect
as
far
as
security
in
that
building
okay.
So
we
know
that
we
need
people
there,
whether
it's
we'd
approach,
retired
deputies,
who
may
want
to
keep
their
toe
in
the
water
or
you
know,
have
part-timers
over
there.
That
solution
can
present
itself
and
can
be
talked
about
next
month.
J
We're
bringing
budgets
back
to
this
committee
for
everybody,
but
I
think
it
would
be
irresponsible
just
to
throw
everything
on
the
table
and
say
well.
It
looks
like
we're.
Gonna
have
money,
so
let's
just
start
spending
it
now,
because
it's
not
just
the
deputies
we're
talking
about,
they
know
and
I've
talked
to
them.
They
have
my
commitment
to
do
everything.
I
can
to
keep
them
safe
and
to
keep
more
people
on
the
road.
J
So
that's
just
my
word
means
something
so
we're
gonna
go
down
that
road,
but
then
we
also
have
requests
in
front
of
us
for
another
person
for
second
shift
maintenance
out
at
the
jail,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
overtime
and
that
employees
being
worked
to
death.
That
is
gonna
happen
in
a
budget.
There's
we're
also
gonna
have
two
people
for
the
circuit
clerk's
office,
because
they're
way
behind
on
caseload,
I'm
gonna
present
that
to
you
in
a
budget.
J
But
it's
we
can't
just
go
hiring
people,
because
we
think
we're
gonna
have
money
next
year
when
we
do
it'll
be
in
the
budget
and
we
can
pull
the
trigger.
That
was
gonna,
be
my
motion
and
recommendation.
So
if
you
agree
with
that,
that's
what
I
would
would
prefer
we
do
and
then
it's
being
fair
to
everybody
concerned
and
the
taxpayers
who
would
sit
here
and
watch
us
spend
and
one
of
you
I.
A
K
J
H
A
B
H
J
N
N
M
N
N
A
Q
Q
Q
It
happened
to
us
before
and
then
we're
back
where
we
were,
but
we
cross
that
when
we
get
to
it,
but
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
sentiment
against
ice
in
in
the
election
in
November,
it's
scary,
because
the
Democrats
you
know
if
they
get
in
charge,
they're
gonna
be
more
liberal
than
what
we
got
now,
but
I
still
think.
If
we,
if
we
get
out
of
the
hole,
live
within
our
budget
and
higher,
then
I
think
it's
the
prudent
thing
to
do,
but
I'm
not
against
hiring
I'm
just
against
when
it
takes
place.
Q
J
You,
mr.
chairman
I,
just
two
things
I
like
to
remind
and
I
actually
completely
and
totally
agree
with
mr.
legette
on
this.
We
we
owe
that
support
to
both
our
the
people
that
are
on
the
road
and
also
the
citizens
that
depend
on
them
and
if
we
plan
for
it
and
commit
to
it
and
follow
through
on
it,
that's
the
best
thing
we
can
possibly
do
I'd
like
to
draw
attention
to
two
things.
J
First
of
all,
in
your
packet
there's
a
resolution
of
the
county
board
from
2013
that
established
our
guidelines
on
fund
balance,
and
we
had
a
certain
amount
of
time
to
get
to
that
fund
balance
as
part
of
our
fiscal
policy.
Part
of
that
is
is,
and
that's
our
general
fund
balance.
That's
not
all
of
our
funds
together.
Okay,
so
we
establish
that
in
2013
and
we're
still
bound
by
that
Ellucian,
that's
in
your
packet.
This
action
goes
against
that
very
principle
of
establishing
a
fund
balance.
J
You
know
we
have
done
our
part
as
a
board
on
the
Wolfe
County
deal,
but
that's
a
pales
in
comparison
to
what
the
hard
work
of
the
people
in
Corrections
are
doing,
and
so
without
that
revenue
things
look
a
whole
lot
different
here.
So
it's
not
like
it's
not
appreciated,
but
the
fact
is,
is
you
can't
spend
money
before
you
have
it
and
we
still
have
a
million
dollar
deficit?
We
borrow
every
dollar
we
spend
still.
We
have
a
possibility
of
next
year
getting
out
of
interfund
borrowing.
J
A
H
Responsible
community,
every
responsible
committee
and
board
follows
policies
and
this
particular
policy
was
written
in
2013
five
years
ago.
It's
a
good
policy.
It
is
the
goal
of
that
committee
in
2013,
but
there
are
times
when
you
have
to
make
decisions
based
on
current
conditions,
not
on
policies
adopted
five
years
ago.
When
the
policy
itself
says
it
is
a
goal,
not
a
mandatory
requirement,
a
goal.
A
A
H
B
J
A
L
B
P
Well,
good
morning,
everyone,
let
me
just
start
by
saying:
I-
did
change
a
few
things
with
the
report.
I
send
a
cover
letter
with
some
of
our
recommendations,
some
of
our
findings,
some
statistical
data
that
we
come
up
with
just
to
make
things
to
summarize
things
and
hopefully
continue
to
enhance
the
quality
and
professionalism
of
the
report.
I
will
say
that
for
the
record,
the
recent
vote
for
the
travel
piece
with
the
34
dollars
and
13
cents
that
went
over
the
GSA
allowable
amount.
P
Just
for
the
record.
That
vote
does
go
counter
to
what
the
county
board
policy
is
and
therefore
those
who
have
followed
the
policy
and
those
who
follow
it
without
fail
and
without
question
are
basically
being
told
that
just
do
what
you
want
and
we'll
vote
to
approve
it
anyway.
So
I'd
strongly
disagree
with
that
and
I
I
am
okay
with
other
people,
not
agreeing
with
my
position.
The
board
has
the
prerogative
to
violate
their
own
policy
and
to
override
my
recommendation,
but
just
know
that
that
is.
P
J
J
When
we
look
at
the
documentation
required
for
a
claim,
I
started
seeing
you
know
we
look
at
you,
know:
auditing
standards
and
Accounting
Standards
I
went
ahead
and
I
pulled
the
claims
for
conferences
for
the
auditor,
because
I
wanted
to
see
if
he
was
actually
following
his
own
guidelines
and
what
I
found
is
he's
not
so
I
want
at
least
bring
it
to
this
committees.
Attention
on
the
first
one
from
5,
1,
17,
there's
a
reimbursement.
J
I
would
like
to
note
that
there's
one
employee
in
the
office
that
is
approving
our
auditing,
the
claims
of
the
auditor,
which,
according
to
accounting
standards,
is
highly
improper.
We've
heard
that
from
actual
accountants
and
there's
also
a
letter
at
the
end.
Where
there's
an
opinion
you
asked
for
the
letter
there,
it
is
for
you
from
an
accounting
firm
that
are
bound
and
licensed
by
ethics
and
standards.
J
So
if
you
look
at
the
pizza
receipt,
there
are
no
amounts
on
the
receipt,
so
that
is
an
improper
receipt,
and
so
I
would
say
that
if
an
employee
submitted
this,
they
would
have
had
a
turn
right
back
to
him
and
said:
I
need
the
receipt.
That
has
the
amounts.
That's
it
for
that
one.
At
the
one
from
for
eighteen
of
18,
there
is
no
itinerary
from
the
conference
submitted.
J
There
is
just
the
cover
page,
so
there
is
no
any
itinerary
in
there
against
audited
by
the
one
employee
in
the
auditor's
office
and
which
is
against
all
standards
of
auditing.
You
can
have
a
direct
report:
audit,
their
boss,
there's
not
enough
people
in
the
office
and
I'll
get
into
where
that
is
dictated
by
an
accounting,
firm
and
the
same
thing
under
five
fourteen
eighteen.
There
is
no
itinerary,
that's
included
of
what
the
conference
is,
and
this
would
have
been
kicked
back
to
any
other
employee
in
the
county.
J
So
I
just
wanted
to
draw
attention
that
nobody's
perfect.
I
didn't
spend
thousands
of
dollars
of
taxpayer
money
researching
this
and
having
forms
and
opinions
and
occupying
everybody's
time.
With
this
and
the
reason,
I
will
just
read
the
conclusion
of
why
I
asked
for
not
one
but
many
outside
opinions
from
accountants
around
the
area
I
have
to
in
I
expect
more.
It
says
in
the
conclusion:
the
duties
of
the
elected
auditors
defined
by
state
statutes
refer
to
in
this
first
paragraph.
J
It's
on
the
back
page
create
an
inherent
risk
within
the
elected
auditor's
office
to
related
to
segregation
of
duties.
Basically,
this
whole
thing
is:
there's
not
enough.
People
in
that
office
to
clearly
have
a
separation
of
duties
to
have
one
person.
Audit,
the
other,
is
highly
improper
and
so
I
would
I
would
ask
that
the
same
standard
that
the
auditor
holds
all
of
our
employees
to
would
hold
to
his
own
office.
Thank.
P
You
very
much
mr.
chairman,
and
if
I
may
comment
first,
these
claims
are
or
approved
by
the
Finance
Committee.
So
that
is
the
thing
to
remember
is
that
the
county
board
actually
approves
them
now.
The
fact
that
the
these
are
all
copies
and
I
would
I
would
be
very
surprised
if,
in
the
original
documents,
the
receipts
and
so
forth
are
not
clearly
shown
that
particular
pizza
place.
P
As
far
as
the
other
conferences
go,
you
know,
do
professional
care
does
not
insinuate
in
any
way
infallibility
our
office
is
never
asserted
that
we're
perfect
and
we
don't
intend
to
display
that
as
our
position,
however,
we
do
take,
do
professional
care
and
everything
that
we
do
and
we
own
up
to
mistakes
when
they're
made
and
I
see
that
there
were
at
least
three
errors
here
and
generally
that
does
not
happen.
All
of
my
other
claims
that
are
submitted
I
would
propose
that
we
do.
P
We
do
submit
all
of
those
documents
it's
necessary
as
far
as
not
being
enough
people
in
the
office.
Obviously
that's
not
the
fault
of
me.
As
the
elected
official
there
were
changes
made
and
the
office
was
gutted
budgetarily
years
ago.
The
structural
inferences
and
the
opinion
of
the
auditors
is
just
that
an
opinion.
P
That
interpretation
has
to
come
from
a
court
or
from
the
Attorney
General,
even
though
the
ones
already
on
the
books
interpreting
the
current
law
have
been
dismissed
as
well.
So
I
am
very
appreciative
of
this
information
and
I
do
accept
responsibility
for
any
oversights
that
we
and
our
office
have
created
in
terms
of
my
specific
claims,
but
I
will
say
that
this
body
is
responsible
for
overseeing
that,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
I
want
checks
to
stop
being
cut
prior
to
you
approving
the
disbursement,
and
that
is
my
recommendation
today.
P
It
has
been
my
recommendation
and
the
pass,
and
that
will
help
this
body
assert
its
authority
of
oversight
and
accountability.
Also,
I
would
recommend
that
we
create
an
audit
committee
of
the
board
unless
you
want
the
Audit.
Committee
really
should
be
separate
from
the
Finance
Committee
and
take
a
deep
dive
with
us
in
examining
this
stuff
and
make
sure
that
we
can
enhance
what
it
is
that
we're
doing
to
the
best
of
our
ability.
We
are
not
opposed
to
recommendations
and
changes
to
our
current
practices.
We
invite
them.
P
N
N
While
I
understand
that
politics
are
inherently
full
of
confrontation,
I
think
that
this
is
not
the
place
for
this
as
we
move
toward
a
balanced
budget
at
which
mr.
wheeler
has
led
us
through
that
process
and
I
think
we're
on
a
very
good
path.
But
I
do
want
to
support
mr.
Lee's
suggestion
that
we
approve
bills
prior
to
them
being
paid.
N
I,
know
that
there's
a
timeline
factor
and
I
see
mr.
wheeler
flinching
at
that,
because
I
understand
the
timing
of
that
is
difficult
because
we
only
meet
once
a
month.
I
understand
that
that's
a
problem,
the
city,
the
city
of
Kankakee,
approves
every
bill
before
it's
paid
and
they
meet
every
two
weeks.
So
I
do
understand
that.
There's
there's
a
timing
issue
there,
but
I
think
it's
something
that
we
need
to
look
at.
N
A
J
J
So
but
those
always
come
back
and
I
believe
you
know
like
the
sheriff
situation,
which
was
a
in
the
newspaper
recently,
which
seems
like
the
regular
thing
about
these
issues
for
minor
among
amounts,
but
any
amounts.
Important
I
would
say
that
we
can't
hold
a
payroll.
We
can't
hold
insurance
paid
payments,
we
can't
hold
up
911.
We
can't
hold
up
things
like
that,
but
for
the
most
part,
I
think
we're
only
talking
about
employee
reimbursements
and
expenses.
I
think
that's
about
it.
J
So
I,
don't
necessarily
think
that's
a
bad
thing
as
long
as
we
get
those
two
on
the
Friday
before
Finance,
so
we
can
put
them
on
the
agenda
and
it
would
help
if
those
questions
are
separated
out
of
the
general
staff,
because
we
just
get
a
big
stack
of
paper.
It
was
sometimes
notes
we
can't
read
on
it.
We
don't
know
what
the
objection
is.
So
that's
we
can
get
to
that
point
for
expenses,
out-of-pocket
and
other
things
like
that,
but
most
of
the
other
stuff
is
within
3060
days,
yeah
yeah!
P
A
O
Chairman
wheeler
touched
on
the
fund
balance
policy.
As
far
as
the
other
miscellaneous
reports
there's
any
questions
or
the
cash
flow
analysis.
You
know
the
summer
report.
The
very
first
report
is
something
we
add
in
there
every
few
months.
It
gives
a
good
indication
of
total
in
total
out
of
all
the
departments
for
total
revenue,
total
expense.
It's
an
interesting
report
compares
to
a
year
ago,
at
the
same
time,
last
June
of
2017
what
took
place
versus
June
30th
of
2018.
O
You
know
a
lot
of
significant
changes,
but
the
the
one
item
that
really
relates
to
me,
even
though
it's
much
better,
it's
not
taking
anything
away
from
the
progress
is
that,
through
with
all
the
advances,
the
total
in
and
total
out,
there's
still
over
two
million
dollars
more.
That
goes
out
and
comes
in,
and
that
leads
to
our
or
continuous
cashflow
discussion.
O
And
you
know,
as
we
hear
you
know,
things
are
better.
You
know
the
future
budgets
future
progress,
keep
in
mind
that
we
will
still
have
to
have
a
discussion
about
cash
flow
and
potential
borrowing
between
the
months
of
December
and
June.
So,
but
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
good
information
that
you
can
see.
The
trends
see
how
much
you
know
the
positive
trends
at
one
time.
This
report
the
same
report.
We
were
dealing
in
five
and
a
half
six
billion
dollar
deficit
numbers
in
in
more
expense
than
revenue
come.
O
You
know
coming
in
during
that
period
of
time,
so
the
only
be
a
two
million
is
a
huge
huge,
huge
advantage
and
and
in
progress,
but
it
still
relays
to
our
cash
flow
situation
between
December
and
June.
So
it's
good
information.
You
know
all
the
updates.
The
cash
flows
been
updated
as
and
we're
continuing
to
work
on
future.
O
You
know
it
gets
a
lot
easier,
this
time
with
all
the
the
property
tax,
getting
things
paid
back,
we're
more
caught
up
in
AP
right
now
that
we
have
in
six
years
or
more
so
a
lot
of
good
things.
Now
you
know
we
are
now
preparing
and
discussing
next
December
through
next
June
as
far
as
cash
you
know,
and
how
and
the
impact
of
that
the
borrowing
and
the
flow
of
all
that
so
just
some
some
oversight
on
the
reports
there.
N
N
I
noticed
that
everything
I
appreciate
it
being
broken
out
by
village
and
city
on
that
report
and
Bradley
is
about
even
about
2%
increase
bourbon
a
little
higher
about
an
8%
and
I
noticed
that
Kankakee
is
about
a
15%
decrease
over
last
year
in
July.
In
your
opinion,
does
that
have
to
do
with
Kankakee
raising
their
sails
to
have
text
by
two
percent.
N
B
A
J
O
Q
A
Anything
else,
I
would
have
a
comment
that,
based
on
events
today,
that
I
can
recall,
when
several
of
us
would
have
to
meet,
to
see
what
bills
to
pay.
Okay,
we
would
meet
in
Steve's
office
and
he
would
have
the
bills
that's
high
and
we
would
decide
what
bills
we
pay
that
week
or
that
month
I
mean
we
met
several
times
a
month.
To
do
that.
A
And
another
thing
you
can
do
is
take
a
look
at
last
year's
audit,
which
is
a
hundred
and
fifty
five
pages.
I
believe
it
is
but
I
think
on
page
23
you'll
find
out
who
is
over
budget
and
under
budget,
and
you
can
look
at
the
general
fund
balance
and
another
interesting
thing
in
the
audit
was
the
fact
that
the
increase
in
our
I
am
of
our
I.
Am
our
F
contribution
went
from
29
to
32
percent
for
slept?
Okay,
these?
These
are
factors
that
we
need
to
take
and
I
wish.
A
The
sheriff
was
here:
I,
don't
want
to
speak
when
the
sheriff
isn't
here.
I'm,
not
trying
to
you
know
not
give
him
the
same
information,
but
he
can
see
it.
The
fact
is
that
we
need
to
be
very
careful
because
those
positions
are
very
expensive
and
we've
been
through
this
before
and
if
they're
very
expensive,
and
so,
when
you
add
up
health
insurance,
we've
been
down
that
road
and
I
asked
about
health
insurance,
and
we
we
think
we
have
some
good
news
coming.
Okay,
we
think
indications
are
yeah.
Mr.
mr.
Lujan,
yes,
you.
Q
Know
since
you
brought
up
insurance,
I
want
to
get
back
to
something
I
meant
to
ask.
The
sheriff
stated
that
some
of
these
young
people
are
still
on
their
parent's
insurance.
Does
that
mean
that
if
we
hire
someone
that's
under
26
years,
we
don't
have
to
give
them
insurance,
they
get
it
through
their
parent.
J
J
A
O
O
Just
so
the
committee
knows
and
is
aware
of
why,
in
the
past
the
outside
auditors,
their
procedure
was
to
have
various
elected
and
appointed
officials
sign-off
at
various
it
toward
the
end
that
changed.
They
made
the
change
this
year
after
review
of
our
procedures
and
when
they
believe
the
main
one
was
when
they
found
out
that
all
the
department,
heads
elected
and
appointed,
get
their
numbers
and
I
have
a
chance
to
review
it
before
the
final
numbers
are
sent
to
the
outside
auditors
once
they
reviewed
the
entire
process
they
made.
O
They
made
the
decision
to
change
how
they
finished
up
the
audit,
and
so
it
was
because
of
our
procedures,
which
we
had
been
doing
every
year.
They
just
took
this
year
and
reviewed
multiple
a
take
time
to
review
different
things
every
year,
and
that
was
one
of
them.
That
was
one
of
the
items
and,
and
so
they
made
it,
they
made
it
kind
of
a
decision
on
their
own
and
how
they
finished
up.
The
audit,
so
if
there
was
any
questions,
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
with
the
committee.