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Highways & Waterways Committee Meeting 7/20/2023 9:00 AM
A
A
B
A
C
For
the
public,
okay
I'm
trying
to
to
run
through
this
repetitively
some
of
this
just
because
people
learn
that
this
stuff
is
on
YouTube
we're
getting
new
viewers,
so
I
apologize
for
some
of
the
redundancy.
If
you
heard
some
of
this
before
so,
we
did
have
Burke
here
last
month
on
and
and
we're
talking
about
the
The
Dredge
plan.
We
have
a
more
detailed
mapping
of
the
time
in
the
months
that
these
certain
things
should
occur.
The
mo
the
survey
is
going
on
as
we
speak.
C
If
you
will
these
these
days
here
from
the
17th
and
this
this
time
period,
the
muscle
survey
I
was
informed
that
part
of
the
benefits
of
the
design
that
we'll
we'll
show
here
in
a
minute
again
that
it'll
it
makes
us
have
a
more
limited
survey,
so
less
costly
and
less
of
a
chance
of
obviously
finding
that
endangered
muscle
in
that
area,
even
though
that
was
I
would
say
not
something
we
expected,
we
expected
to
find
it
in
a
different
type
of
terrain.
If
you
will
with
more
Rocky.
C
This
is
all
sand
and
they
don't
like
that.
So
we'll
we'll
just
give
you
an
update
as
soon
as
we
know,
our
timelines
are
all
impacted
by
if
the
muscles
are
there.
If
those
these,
when
I
say
muscles
they're,
like
clams,
basically
good
bait
from
what
I
hear
so
the
the
the
the
we'll
know
the
timeline,
if
it
ends
up
having
muscles
that
are
endangered
species,
we're
gonna
have
to
dredge
and
then
put
them
back
in
which
adds
things
puts
things
into
the
end
of
next
year.
C
As
far
as
the
actual
completion
of
the
project.
If
we're
able
to
get
past
that
muscle
study
now,
we
could
probably
have
things
ready,
looking
like
in
April
to
to
get
that
project
done.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
everybody
was
aware
of
that
timeline.
It
really
would
be
nice
to
have
for
the
Boating
season,
people
able
to
use
that
launch
and
obviously
for
our
rescue
boats
that
need
to
get
in
over
there.
So
is
there
any
questions
about
that?
If
not
I
can
move
on.
C
C
If
is
there
going
to
be
when's
the
ice
brace
break
loose
if
we
do
have
ice
because
we've
had
warmer
Winters,
you
know
so
so
much
is
depending
on
where
we're
at
how
high
the
river
is,
after
the
winter,
those
types
of
things
so
I
can
move
on
from
that.
If
you
so
are
inclined
this,
these
are
just
I
gave
you
the
whole
report
of
the
the
project
report
as
it
has
been
updated.
We
can
flip
past
this
as
the
cover
page
this
next
one.
We
talk
about
bathymetrics.
C
These
are
the
elevations
for
lack
of
a
better
word
that
I
I
think
it's
it's
the
basically
the
elevation
of
the
floor
or
the
base
the
base
of
the
river
and
that's
how
they
would
determine
what
the
next
slide
is
on.
What
the
proposal
is
in
order
to
deal
with
the
situation
that
you've
got
a
lot
of
sand.
Upstream
of
this
sediment
is
still
there,
but
you
still
got
a
lot
more
sand
at
this
point.
C
If
you
will
clear
it
out,
it
also
leaves
those
spaces
just
to
the
upstream
and
downstream
side
of
the
boat
launch
as
a
place
for
us
to
come
out
with
our
excavators.
When
the
time
comes
to
clean
all
of
this
out
again,
we
would
also
potentially
have
something
that
either
could
have
a
a
permit
according
to
Burke.
Obviously,
this
needs
to
be
permitted
from
Army
Corps.
We
were
going
to
get
try
to
get
some
type
of
the
permit
that
allows
us
to
maintain
this
as
well,
so
we
just
probably
have
to
file
paperwork.
C
We're
going
to
go
down
that
road
once
we're
done,
because
we
know
we're
gonna
have
to
do
this
for
another
20
30
years,
all
over
the
river.
The
question
is:
is
how
do
we
do
it
inexpensively
efficiently
and
then
part
of
a
an
overall
plan
instead
of
a
series
of
one-offs
down
the
river,
so
I
don't
know,
Jeremiah
has
his
comment.
He
can
get
on
the
mic
back
there
and
talk
about
any
of
that
stuff.
I.
E
A
My
question
would
be
according
to
What,
chairman
wheeler
was
referring
to
to
the
prevent
the
sentiments
to
after
we
do
all
the
dredging
and
everything
to
go
back
into
the
river
again.
So
what
would
be
your
idea
or
suggestion
when
it
comes
to
secure
the
riverbank,
instructor-wise
and
design
things
like
that?
Can.
F
You
hear
me
yeah,
okay,
yeah,
so
the
the
cross-section
design
itself,
the
the
shape
and
and
the
con
the
controlled
width
will
help.
You
know
maintain
the
velocities
necessary
to
keep
keep
pushing
the
sand
through
until
we
can
prevent
or
work
with
Indiana
in
the
Upstream
areas
to
help
reduce
that
sand
from
from
silting
back
in
and
and
some
areas
like
that
might
be
Bank
stabilization.
A
A
F
Certainly
and
one
other
idea
other
than
you
know,
just
the
cross-section
itself,
like
I,
said
maintaining
those
velocities
to
to
push
the
sand
through
reduce
you
know,
future
dredging
is
what
what
Christopher
Burke
is
calling
a
log
vein
also
referred
to
as
a
jetty
groin
depending
on
the
situation
and
what
we're
trying
to
do,
but
in
this
case
immediately
off
the
concrete
ramp.
We
have
a
large.
You
know
access
area
to
the
navigable
channel,
so
the
idea
is
to
dredge
and
open
up
a
lane
to
get
to
the
the
main
Channel.
F
But
you
know
as
as
water
flows
and
sand
continues
to,
we
call
it
dynamic
equilibrium,
fine
find
its
place.
It
eventually
will
work
work
itself
back
into
those
areas
into
the
channel
and
into
that
access.
So
we've
proposed
a
type
of
structure.
Currently,
we've
suggested
law
logs,
using
maybe
some
of
the
trees
that
are
already
leaning
in
the
area,
cleaning
them
up
stacking
them,
wrapping
them
together
with
cable
but
to
to
help
stabilize
the
Upstream
side
and
hopefully
reduce
some
of
that
future
maintenance
in
the
area.
Okay.
C
C
C
That's
part
of
the
40-year
work
plan
and
it
is
my
intent
to
have
our
presence
in
the
highway
department,
slash
waterways,
on
the
technical
advisory
committee
in
a
in
a
non-voting
but
more
educational
role
in
Indiana,
and
so
his
first
mission
was
is
to
get
his
feet
on
the
ground
with
the
roadside
of
his
job.
Now
we're
transition
transitioning
into
this,
and
so
we're
trying
to
get
our
our
speed
together.
If
you
will
on
these
projects.
So
there's
a
few
things
that
Jeremiah
is
not
aware
of
that.
A
C
Okay,
and
this
speaks
directly
to
your
your
question.
They
have
like
a
50-foot
easement
on
each
side
of
the
river
where
they
can
go
in
and
just
if
the
tree's
going
to
fall
or
it
has
fallen,
they
can
grab
it
before
it
gets
in
the
water.
We
don't
have
that.
We've
got
to
talk
to
every
property
owner
along
the
river
that
wants
to
let
us
once
we
get
the
equipment,
get
it
the
heck
out
of
there.
So
it
doesn't
end
up
in
the
river,
and
we
have
to
work
with
Jeremiah.
C
To
determine
is
that
the
height
of
the
tree
away
from
the
river
you
know,
because
all
they
got
to
do
is
call
us
and
do
a
hold
harmless,
and
you
know
we'll
we'll
come
and
get
the
thing,
but
that's
how
you'll
stabilize
the
banks
right
by
leaving
that
root
ball.
So
again,
this
is
his
area
I'm.
Just
getting
you
up
to
what
we've
done
so
far,
the
Indiana
everything
over
there
is
not
going
to
work
like
it
is,
would
work.
C
You
know
it
won't
work
here
like
it
did
over
there,
but
it's
really
important
that
we
get
the
ideas
and
the
new
way
that
they're
addressing
these
things
to
still
let
the
river
be
a
river
but
try
to
keep
it
away
from.
As
I
said,
Wastewater
plants
you
know
flood
in
the
places
we
want
it
to
flood
because
it's
always
Hazard
it
always
will.
Does
that
make
sense.
Manage
expectations,
you
know
anybody.
C
C
Keep
going
I
think
it's
right
after
these
graphs.
Yes,
so
we
talked
about
dewatering
on
site.
That's
the
plan.
Right
now
we
have
I
believe
the
IGA
is
either
passed
by
both
boards
or
in
process
of
what
the
Kankakee
Park
District.
We
had
to
get
something
formalized
if
we
damaged
a
lot.
Obviously
we
got
to
repair
it.
C
You
know
that
kind
of
stuff,
but
the
thought
is
since
it's
already
sitting
right
there,
let's
don't
pay
to
truck
it
twice.
That
means
we
can
get
more
sand
out
and
do
more
of
these
things
that
we
want
to
do
because
we're
only
limited
by
the
the
grant
they
were
given
by
DNR
all
right.
So
that
kind
of
shows
you
a
little
bit.
This
will
change
you'll,
see
more
on
this
upcoming
in
the
future,
and
then
the
trucks
would
obviously
pull
in
it's
part
of
the
bidding
process.
C
G
Have
did
a
little
research
on
I
was
told
by
I
think
it
was
Burke
Engineering
that
we
can't
we
have
to
haul
the
sand
out
of
the
state
of
Illinois.
Is
that
a
fact
has
anyone
known
it
never
heard
that
okay,
yeah
all
right
I
heard
yeah
I
was
told
that
by
somebody
I
didn't
know
how
credible
it
was,
but
didn't
seem
like
it
made
any
sense.
G
E
C
We're
doing
is
we
have
someone
who
wants
a
bunch
of
it
we're
trying
to
connect.
If
you
will
hey,
we've
got
a
place
for
it.
They
want
as
much
as
we
can
give
them
and
they're
vested
and
it's
a
shooting
range.
It
wants
to
burn
the
whole
range,
so
I
mean
that's,
you
could
do
the
math
and
that's
where
you
know
I
run
out
of
fingers
of
those
and
Jeremiah
comes
in,
but
we
could
figure
out
how
many
cubic
yards
of
sand
are
going
to
come
and
what
that
would
look
like
on
a
field.
You.
G
E
G
So
once
they
pump
it
out
and
it
becomes
a
pile
it
becomes,
the
contractor
stuff
he's
got
to
take
care
of
it
right.
He
makes
it
disappear
yeah.
He
dumps
it
in
your
yard
or
something
yeah,
because
there's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
it.
You
know
that
stands.
I,
don't
know
six
seven
feet
high
right
by
the
boat
ramp
there.
If
you
go
walking
to
the
water
I
think
it's
got
to
be
a
good
five
six
feet
high.
So
there's
a
lot
of
sand
there.
G
There
could
be
four
or
500
truckloads
of
sand
out
of
there.
So,
but
as
far
as
the
stabilization
goes,
you
were
talking
about
the
bank
with
the
rip
rap
battle.
That's
not
a
good
idea
around
bolt
ramps,
but
people
do
it,
but
they
wreck
boats
too,
but
when
they
put
the
sand
at
an
angle,
it
Ledges
out
a
lot
of
times
with
different
heights
of
the
water
it'll
form
a
ledge
and
it'll
actually
hold
itself
in
place
and
that
you
can
see
that
sand
and
then
going
right
through
the
water.
G
It
doesn't
even
slow
down
just
keeps
right
on
going,
but
it's
going
to
slow
down
somewhere
Downstream.
So
this
is
going
to
end
up.
You
know
washing
some
more
of
the
way
there.
So
I
was
wondering
if
there's
any
chance.
We
should
be
working
on
step
two
here
where
we're
going
to
go
with
the
second
part
of
this,
because
we
have
time
obviously
to
do
this
and
I.
Don't
know
if
the
engineering,
how
much
it
is
Andy
if
it's
I,
think
we
allowed
60
000
or
something
for
engineering
right
away.
G
G
Yeah
but
I
mean
it
was
roughly
sixty
thousand
dollars.
I
think
it
was
so
is
that
the
kind
of
money
that
it
would
take
to
you
know
and
take
another
half
a
mile
or
quarter
mile
of
River
to
open
it
up
the
rest
of
the
way
too
so
I
don't
know
if
we
should
be
working
on
an
a
b
or
one
two
or
phase
this
or
phase
that,
but
if
it
takes
so
long
to
get
it
going,
it
takes
a
year
or
two
to
get
it
going.
G
D
G
Now
they're
not
accessible
by
the
river
and
what
happens
is
if
it
becomes
River
accessible,
then
their
property
becomes
valuable
again
like
it
was
when
they
bought
it.
So
right
now
you
can't
have
those
people
on
the
river.
There
can't
get
a
boat,
they
Park
in
the
middle
of
the
river
and
they
walk
to
their
house
and
through
six
inches
of
water.
Well,.
A
Let
me
let
me
say
something
about
the
boat
launcher
you're
talking
about
I'm,
assuming
that
they
had
in
other
areas
or
other
places
other
rivers
they
they
had
projects
that
came
across
with
similar
situations,
you're
talking
about
it,
I'm.
Assuming
that
the
engineer
will
know
what
kind
of
a
ways
to
secure
the
Bank
around
the
area
for
the
boat
launch
that
will
prevent
the
scent
from
coming
in
back
in
but
will
not
interfere
with
the
Boating
activities
so
like.
A
C
And
and
I
just
so
we're
clear
phase:
two
is
us
getting
seven
million
dollars
of
equipment
to
do
this
stuff
ourselves
right
to
pull
the
log
jams
out,
so
we
don't
have
Islands
building
up
behind
them
that
which
blocks
off
a
house
from
being
able
to
access
the
river.
But
you
talk
to
a
fisherman,
that's
habitat!
You
talk
to
someone
who's
on
a
jet
ski,
that's
an
island!
That's
fun
time!
So
everybody's
got
a
different
Viewpoint,
so
I
I
would
say.
C
The
other
thing
is:
is
we're
never
going
to
have
engineering
discussions
about
deciding
Engineering
in
this
committee?
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
know
that
we're
going
to
have
those
discussions
with
Engineers
offline
and
come
back
to
the
committee
with
Solutions
yeah,
because
I'm
not
and
don't
take
this
wrong
way.
I'm
not
going
to
sit
here
for
three
hours
and
talk
about
things
that
we
don't
have
degrees
in
right.
I'm,
going
to
let
people
who
actually
know
this
meet
with
us
go
through
the
problem
vet.
G
D
C
D
E
A
D
E
E
E
E
A
Okay,
thank
you,
sir.
What
I
would
like
to
do
is
to
have
a
motion
on
a
second
and
then
we
go
into
questions
and
before
we
do,
the
roll
call
can
I
have
a
motion
in
a
second
or
two
pay
for
the
County
engineer.
Pay
estimates
please.
Okay,
so
did
we
miss
our
armor
herbs?
Second,
by
Miss,
fed
All
In
all
right
any
questions
comments.
H
I
think
it
was
here,
don't
know
what
happened,
but
the
county
doors
were
locked
downstairs.
Individuals
could
not
get
in
I
didn't
get
in
and
I
know.
Dan
told
me:
he
opened
up
the
doors
at
7
15..
He
had
met
me,
and
so
he
said
they
couldn't
be
locked,
but
they
were
all
locked,
and
even
these
didn't
work
so
hopefully
they'll
check
into
that.
But
we
couldn't
get
into
the
building
because
all
the
doors
were
locked
and
so
Dan
is
reopening
them
and
I.
H
Don't
know
how
they
got
locked
on
both
sides,
but
they
were
all
locked.
So
if
they
can
check
into
that
idea,
call
the
sales
and
I
forgot.
You
know,
I
got
the
office
meeting
was
canceled,
so
what's
happened
to
the
county
building,
but
just
for
FYI
he's,
because
we
having
a
meeting.
So
it's
important
that
we
have
the
doors
open
so
that
we're
not
in
violation,
but
we
did
not
know
I
guess
they
didn't
know
because
he
said
he
opened
them.
A
Well,
to
address
your
your
concern,
I
believe
that
they
already
aware
of
that,
because
when
I
came
in
the
gentleman
that
works
for
the
maintenance,
he
was
actually
working
on
that
door.
He
would
he
had
the
door
open
already
at
that
time,
so
I'm,
assuming
that
they
are
taking
care
of
that,
because
he
was
aware
because
he
was
there
with
the
door
open
and
allowed
me
to
come
in
at
the
time
and
he
was
checking
something
on
the.
H
E
Go
ahead
just
an
FYI,
we
have
four
County
Bridges
posted
with
load
limits,
and
we
just
got
letter
from
idot
approving
starting
design
work
on
the
last
two.
So
as
of
right
now,
our
four
bridges
that
have
load
limits
on
them
are
all
in
the
process
of
being
designed
construction
on
them.
Some
of
them
will
start
next
year
and
there
may
be
one
that
goes
into
2025,
but
look
we're
on
the
path
now.