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Highways & Waterways Committee Meeting 6/22/2023 9:00 AM
B
B
A
You
before
going
forward
I
would
like
to
welcome
everyone
for
being
here
today
and
also
my
special
thank
you
to
our
guests
here
today,
president
state
senator
Patrick
Joyce
I
believe
that
we
have
someone
representing
the
state,
senator
Elijah
Sims
office
and
also
state
representative
Jackie
Haas
for
being
here
today.
Also
I
do
have
one
public
comment
here,
but
before
we
go
forward
with
that,
what
I
like
to
say
is
that
some
of
our
guests,
may
you
know
they
may
have
a
lot
of
commitment
to
attend.
A
C
Good
morning
my
name
is
Ryan
Bell
I'm,
the
fire
chief
for
Limestone
Township.
Recently
we
had
an
incident
where
we
lost
a
motor
on
our
1987
fan
boat,
pretty
Priceless
for
trying
to
run
this
part
of
the
Kankakee
River,
our
representative
for
our
district
Craig
Wong,
along
with
Andrew
Wheeler
They.
Both
took
some
interest
in
this
realizing
the
the
importance
of
this
piece
of
equipment
along
with
Senator
Joyce,
and
they
were
helpful.
They
were
able
to
help
us
secure
some
arpa
money
to
do
the
right
thing.
With
this
piece
of
equipment.
C
The
boat
is
running.
We
actually
had
it
out
on
the
river
yesterday,
I
can
tell
you.
The
river
is
extremely
low
in
most
places,
and
this
is
about
the
only
thing
this
and
a
hovercraft
are
about
the
only
things
that
can
navigate
the
west
side
of
the
County
Down
that
River
in
between
the
deeper
holes
that
come
up
around
like
the
Indian
caves
things
of
that
nature.
Because
of
this
money,
we're
able
to
have
something
to
be
able
to
get
out
there
to
help
somebody
in
need
I
can't
thank
everybody
enough
for
that.
C
Didn't
think
that
the
1987
fan
boat,
that
we
have
would
draw
some
attention
the
way
it
did,
but
it's
it's
a
strong
running
piece
of
equipment
again
and
it
couldn't
have
been
done
without
the
leadership
that
these
guys
showed
to
help
us
get
that
done
so
I
I
from
the
bottom
of
our
hearts
in
Limestone
Township.
We
appreciate
everybody's
help
with
that.
A
A
A
D
Sir,
thank
you
Mr
chairman,
the
the
for
the
benefit
of
our
legislators,
who
may
not
know
every
wrench.
That's
been
turned
here
over
the
years
to
get
to
this
point.
I
thought
it
may
be
a
good
term
brief
as
much
as
possible
lead
up
to
why
this
committee
was
created,
or
we
adapted
the
highways
committee
more
appropriately
to
include
waterways.
So,
if
I
could
we
can
share
the
the
screen
there
of
the
presentation?
There's
a
paper
copy
out.
I
have
other
paper
copies.
They
were
back
here.
I
hope
everybody
got
one.
D
D
Three,
not
in
your
packet,
because
we
just
Metadate
this
morning
to
finalize
that
and
before
somebody
asked
the
question,
the
muscle
study
will
be
done
on
just
the
area
that
will
be
dredged.
It
won't
have
to
be
done
as
it
stands
now
it
doesn't
look
like
it
have
to
be
done
anywhere
else,
which
it
will
reduce
the
cost
of
that
that
part
of
the
process
so
Beyond
this
I'll
just
start
running
through
it.
If
you
have
a
question,
please
stop
and
ask
it
or
stop
me
and
ask
it
otherwise.
D
I'll
try
to
fly
through
this
as
quick
as
possible.
Being
respectful
of
everybody
else's
time,
so
when
I
first
got
involved
in
the
the
river
stuff,
it
was
in
2017
early
I
believe
it
was
the
they
have
Commissioners
in
Indiana.
There's
three
Commissioners
over
Lake
County,
one
of
them
reached
out
to
me
talking
about
the
state
line
Bridge,
which
is
a
disaster.
D
It's
it's
I
won't
go
into
too
much
detail,
but
this
is
what
you
would
see
most
of
the
Year
trees
stacked
up
pushing
against
the
bridge.
That
is
only
about
six
inches
in
Illinois,
but
when
it
Falls
and
I
say
when,
because
Scrappers
are
taking
metal
off
of
it,
it's
a
hundred
years
old-
it's
not
historic,
but
it's
eligible
for
historic
preservation
and
it's
just
it's
beyond
its
useful
life.
So
if
it
falls
it's
coming
in
Illinois,
and
so
we
had
a
very.
D
It's
just.
This
conversation
went
around
and
around
for
years,
so
I'm
just
I
just
want
people
to
know.
It
may
seem
simple.
This
has
been
a
real
problem
because
it
acts
as
a
cow
catcher
for
all
those
trees
and
and
again
it's
our
problem
alone.
If
it
comes
into
Illinois.
So
this
was
a
result
of
the
beginning.
We
all
were
sending
letters
to
Federal
Highway,
saying:
look
come
on.
D
Let's
get
out
of
this
situation,
let's
store
this
bridge
somewhere,
let's
not
destroy
it,
but
it
can't
it's
passage,
useful
life
and
it
can't
be
rehabbed
for
the
purpose
it
was
built
so
moving
towards
this
is
Fast
Forward
here
till
last
year.
Really
we
formed
this
committee
because
you
can't
do
anything
without
money.
D
So
that's
where
this
all
started
with
that
project
way
back
when
this
has
been
quite
a
while
Senator
helped
deliver
on
that
the
seven
million
dollar
appropriation
was.
The
next
thing
was
was
because
these
situations
come
up
instead
of
chasing
money
for
each
project
and
have
the
sand
fill
in.
Why
not
get
the
equipment
to
maintain
the
river
until
the
Indiana
group
is
able
to
stop
the
sand
from
coming
our
direction?
That
is
the
key,
and
it's
going
to
be.
It's
been
100
years.
It's
going
to
be
20
or
30
or
40.
D
And
it's
it's
important
to
note
that
it's
not
an
overall
fix
to
the
sediment
situation,
but
it's
a
long-term
effort
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
utilize
this
River
and
and
keep
it
healthy
until
the
the
Big
Fix
can
happen
down
the
road
and
that's
a
very
expensive
proposition,
but
you
can
maintain
this
and
clean
it
out
for
the
benefit
and
reduce
flooding
and
all
of
those
other
things.
But
in
order
to
go
from
the
state
line,
all
the
way
to
the
other
side
of
the
county
is
an
expensive
proposition.
D
All
in
one
throw
and
plus
it
would
fill
back
in
right
now
it
doesn't
make
sense.
Let's
get
to
that
point
because
I
think
what
we're
saying
now
this
is
also
important.
There's
a
40-year
work
plan.
I
heard
a
lot
in
the
past
that
there
is
no
plan.
If
we
could
click
on
that
link,
really
quick,
it
says:
kankine,
yellow,
rivers.org
I
encourage
the
public
everybody
in
this
commission.
Our
elected
officials
go
over
there
and
check
this
out.
D
This
is
the
Commission
in
Indiana
that
I'm
a
representative
of
Illinois
on,
if
you
will
Us
in
Iroquois
County
and
it's
all
the
counties
along
the
Kankakee
and
yellow
rivers
in
Indiana,
but
the
important
part
you
can
skim
through.
All
of
this
there's
a
lot
of
great
information
here.
But
if
you
go
all
the
way
down
to
the
bottom,
it'll
say
work
plan
and
it's
different
places
on
there.
It
says
Kanki,
River
work
plan
that
is
a
280
page
document
of
highly
engineered
solutions
that
are
both
for
the
Indiana
side
and
then
I.
D
The
mayor,
Watseka
and
the
chairman
of
Iroquois
County
had
Kankakee
and
Iroquois
counties
added
to
this,
because
we
wanted
an
idea.
Where
do
we
start
with
the
funds
that
we
would
be
able
to
keep
to
potentially
have
and
at
the
time
having
no
funds,
so
that
was
created
and
they
created
a
commission
in
Indiana
by
an
act
of
their
legislature
and
that
document
and
that
work
plan
is
bound
in
the
mission
of
that
commission?
D
If
you
will,
they
have
to
follow
that
work
plan
per
the
legislation
in
Indiana
so
and
again,
there's
things
that
we
can
do
in
Illinois
and
those
are
recommended
we'll
get
into
those
so
and
then
we
also
have
to
a
plan
for
the
2024
Appropriations
if
the
equipment
is
going
to
be
here,
we're
going
to
do
some
work
because
there's
things
that
have
to
be
done.
So
we
can
probably
you
know
flip
the
page.
D
We
don't
know
what
lead
times
are
on
an
amphibian
is
excavator
yet
and
Ben
we'll
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
because
he's
handling
the
Grant
Management
side,
if
you
will,
with
DNR
who's,
they're
handling
it
like
a
grant,
but
it
is
an
appropriation.
So
again,
it's
important
to
say
there
is
a
work
plan.
If
you
click
the
button,
there's
also
one
for
Illinois
as
well.
If
you
keep
moving
on
that
now,
these
numbers
on
the
side
where
it
says,
like
section
5.1.3,
that's
actually
in
the
work
plan.
D
If
you
want
to
refer
to
these
things,
but
are
things
that
we
should
be
doing,
is
reduce
the
sediment,
Supply
Zone,
specific
access
and
log
Jam
management,
conduct,
storage
areas
or
construct
storage
areas
along
the
laterals
and
I'll.
Show
you
what
we've
done
in
Indiana,
which
is
what
we
need
to
do
here.
You'd
rather
have
the
river
flood
Farmland
than
a
Wastewater
Plant
or
a
hospital,
and
so
those
types
of
things
matter
when
you're
planning
for
the
future.
On
how
you're
going
to
deal
with
a
river,
that's
always
going
to
be
a
river.
D
You
can't
stop
flooding
because
it's
a
river,
it's
going
to
happen.
Just
the
frequency
and
the
impact
is
what
we're
working
on
and
then
strategic
flood
protection
measures
is
the
last
item
on
there.
We
can
there's
other
policy.
You
know
things
that
we
need
to
work
on,
like
hey,
don't
build
a
house
on
the
river
and
then
complain
that
you're
flooding.
D
D
We
have
2.1
miles
in
Illinois
that
have
been
identified
as
severe
erosion
there's
more
obviously,
but
this
is
just
to
the
Confluence
of
the
Iroquois
in
Kankakee.
River.
Keep
moving
on
that
and
you
see
some
of
those
areas
marked
off
over
there
on
South
River
Road,
there
South
Shore,
Golf
Course
areas
a
few.
The
next
slide,
there's
a
few
more
by
Shamrock
over
there
by
that
Golf
Course
I.
D
Incidentally,
just
south
of
the
bridge
there
on
Laura
Lane,
we
have
a
bunch
of
FEMA
buyout
properties
where
we're
going
to
drop
a
as
part
of
the
I'll
call
it
the
Joyce
7
million
we're
going
to
drop
boat
ramps
in
there.
So
we
can
get
our
equipment
in
the
water
on
that
side
of
the
bridge.
So
if
we
have
log
jams
and
and
things
that
are
building
up
on
that
side,
we
need
to
build
these
ramps,
and
that
was
one
of
the
recommendations.
D
Those
are
all
included
in
the
list
of
things
that
we
are
going
to
do
with
that
7
million.
This
is
a
Singleton.
Ditch
we've
talked
about
that
the
important
I'll,
let
you
read
it
on
your
own,
but
on
the
bottom
there.
If
we
were
to
do
what
Indiana
has
done,
as
evidenced
by
the
the
photo
in
the
next
slide,
which
has
carve
back
all
of
these
the
banks,
so
they
don't
just
cab
into
the
river
like
icebergs.
D
The
sediment
would
be
four
point:
what
five
one
three
by
the
way
2019
or
20
20.
We
don't
know
what
that
is
today,
but
it's
a
lot,
that's
and
that's
what
we've
done
in
Indiana
we're
driving
trees
and
using
them
almost
like
pins
to
drive
them
into
the
ground
to
hold
this
all
stable
and
then
carving
back.
This
was
straight
almost
a
90
degree
straight
up
and
down
saying
Cliff
all
the
way
through
the
stretch.
D
What's
ironic
about
all
of
this,
is
you
can
actually
see
the
bottom
now
in
this
part
of
the
river
in
Indiana?
You
can
see
the
the
bottom
it's
it's.
When
was
the
last
time
you
can
see
that
in
Illinois-
and
that
was
after
like
a
year
and
a
half,
so
we
can
keep
moving
I'll
try
to
fly
through
this
as
quick
as
I
can
there's
some
of
the
Zone
specific
access
things
that
we
have
you'll
see
a
piece
of
equipment
and
attachments
that
address
these
things
for
us
to
do
them
ourselves.
D
D
There's
the
general
area
over
there
by
Thayer
in
the
right
corner
land
is
owned
by
the
Kankakee
and
Yellow
River
Basin
development,
commission
and
what
they
did
is
they
constructed
on
two
separate
200
acre
sites
that
are
connected
the
spillway,
and
it's
already
worked
one
time
this
year.
After
they
constructed
it,
it's
up
and
running,
and
it
did
exactly
what
it
was
supposed
to
do.
It
takes
high
water
and
reduces
high
water
pressure
on
the
system.
D
We
need
these
all
over,
because
you're
not
going
to
restore
the
grand
Kankakee
Marsh,
no
matter
how
much
somebody
wants
to
do
that.
Reality
is
such
that
you're
going
to
need
places
for
water
to
be
that
somewhat
acts
as
a
retention
area
like
a
Marshland
did
before
we,
we
meaning
as
a
people,
decided
to
Drudge
or
cut
a
ditch
in
Indiana
and
turn
it
into
a
ditch
instead
of
a
functioning
ecosystem.
D
This
is
the
dredge
site,
if
you
will
originally
for
the
Aroma
Park
area
and
you'll,
see
what
we
have
kind
of
come
down
to
when
Charles
does
his
presentation
in
a
minute,
but
you
can't
even
get
rescue
boats
into
that
part
of
the
river
and
that's
just
north
of
that
spot.
There
is
where
the
Aroma
Fires
at,
and
they
have
to
bring
it
all
the
way
somewhere
else
to
get
it
basically
to
save
a
boat
that
is,
could
be
capsized
right
outside
the
back
door,
so
we
can
keep
moving
there.
D
These
are
some
other
things
we
put
in
the
request
from
DNR.
These
are
active
sediment
collector
systems,
whether
they
go
on
a
Singleton
ditch
or
we
decide
to
put
them
at
the
state
line.
They're
not
cheap,
but
the
ancillary
equipment
allows
sand
just
to
be
pumped
out
of
there
and
cleaned
out.
You
still
have
to
have
places
to
put
it,
and
it's
still
going
to
be
filling
up,
probably
weekly
monthly,
to
be
cleaned
out.
Those
are
things
we'll
have
to
talk
to
potentially
drainage
districts
about.
Maybe
they
help
us
out
with
that.
D
D
It's
better
to
truck
out
of
their
chips
of
wood
than
it
is
all
all
trees,
so
our
whole
trees.
This
is
the
list.
One
half
of
the
list,
I
should
say
the
next
page
is:
if
you
look
you'll,
see
Conservancy
on
there.
We
got
a
bunch
of
stuff
for
the
Conservancy
District,
which
has
purview
over
the
river
from
moments
to
the
state
line,
so
they're
a
partner
in
doing
a
lot
of
things.
They
they
need
some
equipment.
D
They
don't
have
much
of
a
budget
I
believe
their
levees
around
10
grand
a
year,
which
is
not
much
basically
pays
for
the
gas
for
the
chainsaws
and
the
boat
to
go
out,
grab
logs
and
get
them
out
of
the
way,
but
that's
how
they
would
use
this
equipment,
not
anything
that
we
would
dictate
they're
their
own
entity.
This
is
a
just
as
a
sample.
D
A
letter
request,
one
of
the
things
we're
going
to
do
we're
going
to
help
the
park
district
with
their
Harbor
wall,
because
we've
got
to
get
in
the
river
on
that
side
of
the
I-57
Bridge
down
in
Beckman
park.
That's
the
only
place
that
the
boat
ramp
is
out
of
the
current,
so
that's
essential
if
we're
going
to
be
floating
barges
and
things
like
that
out
into
the
river.
So
this
is
this:
is
an
agreement.
That's
over
with
the
park.
District
I
was
told
that
they
agree
with
this.
D
In
principle,
they
just
got
to
go
through
the
motions
to
approve
it,
they're
going
to
allow
us
to
de-water
on
site,
so
we
don't
have
to
truck
all
of
the
sand
somewhere
unload
it.
Let
it
de-water
and
then
load
it
back
up.
The
real
cost
on
these
projects
is
the
trucking,
the
transport
and
the
disposal.
D
We
think
we
might
have
a
way
to
mitigate
a
lot
of
that,
which
means
you
get
more
project
out
of
it,
and
then
this
is
just
in
writing
some
of
the
stuff
that
Charles
would
talk
about
and
I
just
went
ahead
and
put
it
in
there.
So
you'd
have
it
in
your
printed
packet.
So
I
think
that
was
it
maybe
one
more
slide,
yeah
Charles
and
then
I
think
that's!
Is
there
any
questions
about
any
of
that
from
our
legislators
from
the
committee?
You
know.
E
E
E
I
think
it's
a
good
program.
I
think
we've
got
a
lot
of
work
to
do
with
with
you
know:
Iroquois
County
and
Kankakee
County
and
even
Will
County
on
on
what
we
have
to
do
to
come
together
as
Community,
locally
Statewide
and
federally.
We
need
to
dip
into
all
those
buckets
and
and
get
this
resource
that
that
drains
hundreds
of
thousands
of
Acres
from
Indiana
all
the
way
through
here.
So
what
has
been
a
problem?
I
mean
I've
heard
about
issues
with
the
Kankakee
River.
My
whole
life
I
looked
at
a
study.
E
guess
what
they're
right.
So
we
should
have
been
doing
this
30
years
ago,
20
years
ago,
40
years
ago,
Indiana
shouldn't
have
straightened
out
their
parts
of
the
river.
We
I
think
we
all
agree
with
that
now,
but
we
have
work
to
do
and
this
is
a
drop
in
the
bucket.
This
is
that
40-year
study
we
need
to
use
that
and
the
dollars
that
come
with
it.
That's
why
myself
and
Jackie
Haas
are
in
Springfield.
We
need
to
fight
for
funding
to
get
this
resource.
E
It
floods
out
people,
it
floods,
Farmland,
it's
not
utilized
recreationally
as
much
as
it
could
and
should.
This
should
be
a
resource
that
attracts
people
to
our
County
to
our
city,
and
if
we
do
this
right
and
then
you
look
at
all
the
the
boardwalk
in
the
river
walk,
we
have
to
have
a
healthy
River
to
have
all
that
too,
and
that's
where
my
focus
has
been.
So
you
know
I
want
to
thank
everyone
locally.
That
is
taking
the
initiative
to
to
make
this
not
only
a
highway
department
but
a
water
department
too.
E
A
A
G
Thank
you,
chairman
I,
do
think
it's
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
As
long
as
I've
been
around,
we've
always
heard
about
the
river
I.
My
family
owns
along
the
river
in
Momence
the
used
to
be
60,
Acre
Farm
and
now
the
state
has
bought
the
conservative
project
because
we're
right
on
the
river
and
Indiana
we're
only
six
miles
from
in
the
Indiana
line.
G
So
it's
a
it
definitely
affects
us
or
whatever,
as
well
as
another
I,
think
14
acres
along
the
river
coming
through
moments,
so
it'll
be
a
great
once.
This
is
all
completed,
it's
probably
not
in
my
lifetime,
but
in
a
lifetime
of
the
prosperity
that
they'll
be
able
to
enjoy
the
river
as
it
should
be
enjoyed
in
the
on
the
farm.
That's
on
114,
as
well
as
going
through
moments
along
the
Street
of
Franklin's,
so
I
think
it's
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
The
start.
G
Will
the
I'll
do
a
agree
that
once
this
once
the
public
can
see
the
shovels
going
in
then
they'll
know
that
something
is
now
being
done
versus
all
of
the
preliminary
talks
as
far
as
getting
it.
To
that
particular
point,
I
do
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
state
legislators
for
getting
that
dollar
amount
secured
so
that
we
can
get
the
necessary
equipment
would
love
to
hear
some
some
point
from
some
of
the
workers.
That's
right!
That's
going
to
be
doing
this
work
from
the
highway
department.
G
H
Are
you
able
to
see
what's
on
the
screen?
Yep,
okay,
so
I'll?
Just
briefly
reintroduce
myself,
my
name
is
Charlie
I'm,
a
civil
engineer,
I
work
at
Christopher
Burke
and
we've
been
working
with
Andrew
wheeler
chairman
wheeler,
to
work
on
a
dredge
plan
for
freeing
up
the
sediment
around
the
Aroma
Park
boat
launch.
H
So
we've
been
working
on
that
plan
for
several
months
now,
and
we
now
are
to
the
point
where
we've
had
discussions
with
chairman,
wheeler
and
Jeremiah
and
others
from
the
County
Highway
to
finalize
that
plan
and
we're
getting
ready
to
submit
our
permit.
So
I
brought
up
on
here
the
bathymetry,
which
is
basically
just
the
elevations
that
were
shot
along
the
bottom
of
the
river
way
back
at
the
end
of
last
year.
H
H
H
The
low
flow
condition
is
around
596
and
a
half,
and
we've
seen
that
last
fall
was
one
of
the
lowest
water
conditions
that
the
river
experienced.
It
was
around
596
and
a
half.
So
if
we
can
get
down
to
593
with
our
dredge
and
cut
through
those
596
and
597
598
elevations
we're
going
to
keep
a
path
open.
That's
wide
enough
for
a
boat
to
traffic,
about
15,
to
20
feet
wide
and
that
will
be
maintained,
hopefully
in
perpetuity
with
an
ongoing
maintenance
plan.
So
I'm
going
to
show
you
a
little
more
detail.
H
H
So
there's
some
a
path
that
kind
of
stays
on
the
north
side
of
the
river
and
there's
one
that
goes
to
the
South
that'll
cut
across
the
middle
of
the
river
and
we're
gonna
end
it
at
Bridge
Street,
and
then
we
will
have
it
wrapped
going
to
the
west
it'll
connect
through
a
a
deep
pool
and
then
it'll
end
just
south
of
where
this
island
is,
and
that
is
approximately
where
you
return
to
a
depth
of
water.
That's
navigable!
So
that's
the
scope
or
limit
of
our
project.
H
Here's
a
close-up
of
what
that
cut
is
to
get
through
this
sandbar
to
get
out
to
the
middle
of
the
river,
the
cross
section
that
we're
looking
at
may
or
may
not
be
of
interest
to
folks,
but
essentially
we're
trying
to
restore
about
three
feet
of
of
depth
within
a
15
to
20
foot
path,
and
we
have
proposed
to
use
access
through
the
park
during
construction.
So
they'll
be
a
temporary
staging
area
where
we
can
mobilize
the
amphibious
excavator
equipment.
H
They'll,
then
use
likely
they'll
use
part
of
that
sandbar
to
mobilize
to
start
their
cut
pass
and
then
we'll
leave
some
of
the
means
and
methods
up
to
the
contractor.
Right
now,
I've
got
just
a
brief
timeline
that
follows
what
I've
discussed
with
chairman
wheeler
and
Jeremiah.
At
this
point
in
time
we
are
conducting
a
muscle
survey.
H
This
area
of
the
Kankakee
River
had
a
couple
of
scientific
reports
that
were
done
more
than
a
decade
ago
that
detected
a
a
muscle
called
the
Sheep
nose
muscle,
unfortunately,
for
us
that
muscle
is
federally
protected.
So
we
have
to
go
to
the
river
and
comb
the
area
around
our
Channel,
which
is
what
I
was
showing
previously.
We
had
basically
left
to
comb
that
area
along
that
red
path
to
see.
H
If
there's
any
of
these
sheep
nose
muscles,
if
there's
not
we're
in
the
clear-
and
we
just
submit
that
report
with
our
dredge
permit-
and
we
anticipate
that
schedule
wise.
If
we
submit
our
judge
permit
in
this
next
month
in
July,
then
we
would
have
the
core.
The
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
typically
takes
three
to
five
months
for
review,
at
least
a
90-day
period
on
the
low
and
sometimes
120
days
up
on
the
high
end.
So
we've
anticipated
by
the
end
of
the
year.
H
And
if
you
have
any
questions,
just
let
me
know
or
chairman
wheeler
know,
but
that's
our
plan
for
now,
and
we
have
discussed
this
path
for
dredging
back
and
forth
with
the
county
to
make
sure
that
this
works
for
for
the
stakeholders
that
are
involved.
So
we'll
continue
to
follow
this
plan
and
and
get
it
permitted.
D
D
H
It's
our
it's
my
belief
from
talking
to
to
well
one
having
performed
a
recent
dredge
project
and
two
talking
to
another
engineer
in
my
office
that
they
will
likely
do
wet
bucket
removal
or
an
amphibious
removal,
rather
than
using
a
hydraulic
dredge,
which
is
a
pumping
operation.
Hydraulic
dredging
is
requires
a
large
dewatering
pit
and
also
it's
not
very
it's
it's
not
as
efficient
as
scooping.
H
So
we
we
believe
that
the
contractor
will
use
they
will
mobilize
using
platforms
or
amphibious
equipment
and
that
they
will
move
that
staging
platform
as
they
move
they're
they're
digging
operation,
but
we
believe
it's
going
to
be
wet
buckets.
So,
basically
they're
going
to
be
scooping
out
that
that
path,
I
do
not
believe
it's
going
to
be
wet
hydraulic,
dredge,
okay
and.
D
Then
the
other
part
was
the
oh
geez.
There's
there's
one
other
aspect
to
this
that
we
talked
about
this
morning.
Oh
it's,
the
the
update
of
the
plan.
If
we're
gonna
maintain
it
is
that
the
same
kind
of
permit
or
do
we
have
to
get
a
different
permit
for
that
or
how
does
that
work?
Because
I
could
see
a
time
after
this
that
in
a
couple
years
we
may
have
to
go
out
and
clean
out
with
our
amphibious
excavator
one
of
those
legs.
H
Yes
and
I'm,
we
we
believe
you're
your
permit's
gonna,
your
dredge
permit's
gonna
stay
effective
for
at
least
a
few
years,
and
then
we'll
go
through
a
renewal
process
which
is
essentially
just
paperwork
to.
You
just
request
an
extension
of
renewing
that
permit
and
that
should
allow
you
to
continue
as
needed
to
keep
this
gray
path
shown
free
and
open
at
the
at
the
the
depth
that
we
need.
So.
D
H
Yes,
I
I
believe
so
because
we
based
on
the
flood
events
that
you
receive
if
we
stay
in
a
lower
water
condition
for
a
couple
of
years,
The
Dredge
path
may
stay
open
and
free
and
which
would
be
good
for
us.
But
if
we
do
receive
a
major
flood
event
that
could
move
sediment,
it
may
fill
back
in
within
one
to
two
or
three
years
and
there
will
be
need
to
maintain
it
in
some
areas.
H
What
is
the
depth
needed
so
that
they
don't
bottom
out,
and
there
are
some
navigation
guidelines
that
that
indicate
okay
for
certain
size
vessel.
You
need
this
depth
of
water
in
general.
Most
smaller
vessels
are
not
going
to
require
more
than
one
to
two
feet
of
depth,
but
we
targeted
three
feet
of
depth
during
a
low
water
condition
to
make
sure
that
the
boats
are
able
to
navigate
without
bottoming
in
in
any
areas
along
this
path.
I
Okay,
most
fishing
boats
today
guys
are
using
the
bigger
ones,
are
they're
up,
they're
nine
and
a
half
feet
wide,
just
the
boat
itself
just
sitting
there,
it's
not
even
moving,
so
you
have
two
of
them
passing
each
other,
going
one
going
each
way,
you're
not
going
to
make
it
so
just
thought.
I'd
say
that
my
driveway
one
of
my
garage
doors
is
18
feet.
I
can't
fit
the
car
in
the
boat
through
it,
without
getting
close.
I
H
No
I
I
think
that's
a
a
good
point.
One
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is
there
still
is
the
south
side
of
the
river,
so
the
south
side
of
the
river
has
no
obstruction.
As
far
as
we
know,
that
area
is
deep
enough
already
that
boats
can
get
through
it.
So
if
you
have
somebody,
for
example,
going
upstream
and
they're
gonna
go
from
the
west
side
all
the
way
back,
East
going
Upstream,
they
would
likely
take
the
south
side
of
the
river,
but
we
can
also
discuss
with
the
County
Highway
and
others.
H
H
H
If
you
will-
and
so
we
felt
if
we
removed
the
entire
Sandbar
and
gave
you
a
huge
wide
all
the
way
from
bank
to
bank
open
area,
essentially
that
will
make
the
velocities
even
lower,
and
that
will
make
that
would
make
the
sediment
comeback
quicker
if
that
makes
sense.
So
by
refining
it
to
just
this
pinched
area,
that's
wide
enough
for
boat
traffic,
but
it's
not
taking
the
whole
river,
we'll
keep
the
velocities
faster
in
there
and
that
should
clean
it
better.
I
Okay
and
then
originally
you,
you
had
said
a
couple
of
our
meetings.
You
had
said
that
you
wanted
to
use
the
water
to
catch
the
sand
and
all
that
type
of
stuff,
but
along
that
stretch
there
to
the
West
every
time,
there's
a
storm
or
a
high
water
event.
We
lose
trees.
All
on
that
Shoreline.
There
I
mean
I
I
fish
there,
all
the
time
so
every
year
in
Spring,
there's
another
tree
laying
down
the
river
across
right
there
right
where
you're
right
there.
D
That's
why
we're
getting
the
attachments
for
our
amphibious
excavator,
so
we
can
go
in
there
and
pull
them
out
and
cut
them
before
they
even
fall.
Now.
The
one
thing
they
have
in
Indiana,
that's
important
to
realize
is
the
legislation
gave
them
an
easement
I.
Believe
it's
about
50
foot
on
each
side
of
the
river
here
we'd
have
to
get
permission
from
the
property
owner.
D
If
the
tree
looks
like
it's
going
to
fall,
but
if
they
sign
off
on
it,
we
can
go
grab
the
tree
before
it
goes
in
the
water
to
your
point,
and
so
they'll
have
to
be
more.
That's
part
of
those
active
management
strategies,
I
want
to
say,
we've
taken
out,
10
000
trees
in
Indiana,
just
the
ones
that
are
leaning
and
getting
ready
to
fall
or
that
have
already
fallen
in
the
water.
That's
a
lot
of
trees.
It's
I
mean
it's
substantial.
What
has
happened
because,
frankly,
it's
it's
a
lot
of
Shoreline.
J
A
J
J
H
Yeah,
so
we
we
right
now
on
paper
we
have
15
to
20
foot
at
the
bottom
and
it
will
go
back
up
so
at
the
top
it'll
be
more
like
25
or
30
feet,
but
yeah
I
mean
we
can
make
this
a
little
bit
wider.
If
there's
a
concern
of
you
know,
let's
say
10
foot,
two
ten
foot
wide
boats
passing
each
other
using
this
path.
We
can
make
it
a
little
wider
at
the
bottom.
H
Let's
say:
30
feet
wide
and
I
I
think
our
team
would
be
fine
with
that
and
we
can
just
circle
back
with
the
the
county
and
chairman
wheeler
just
make
sure
everybody's
fine
with
that
right.
I
have
no
issues
with
it.
We
just
didn't
want
to
go
and
cut
bank
to
bank.
Essentially
we
wanted
to
keep
what
we
need
for
a
couple
of
vessels
and
no
more
than.
I
I
A
I
The
other
thing
along
that
area
there,
where
those
trees
are
there
is
those
are
pretty
low
to
the
water.
Also
right
now,
today,
I
mean
you
couldn't
get
a
bottle
on
there
without
kneeling
down
on
your
knees
and
going
underneath
them
so
there's
tree
removal
has
to
go
on
there
right
now
to
put
that
channel
where
you
got
it
marked
at
right
now,.
H
H
J
D
D
D
The
reason
we
were
dredging
this
side
of
the
river
was
to
get
emergency
boats
into
the
water,
because
the
other
side
of
the
island
is
where
everybody
goes
and
so
I
I
get
widening,
and
we
should
look
at
that,
but
not
to
where
it
takes
us
over
the
amount
of
money
we
have
because
it
won't
get
dark
man.
We
just
don't
have
a
budget
for
anything
over
that.
Well,
it's
less
than
a
million,
because
engineering's
in
in
that
involved
as
well
Charles
has
got
to
get
paid.
You
know
he
likes
that.
A
Thank
you.
I
do
not
want
to
ignore
the
fact
that
we
had
someone
from
the
public
that
had
their
their
hands
up
and
I
believe
had
a
question.
However,
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
like
to
answer
all
the
questions
that
anybody
may
have,
but
is
not
the
proper
procedure
to
allow
the
public
to
directly
ask
questions
to
the
board
outside
of
the
board
members
and
the
guests
that
are
here
present.
G
If
that's
something
that
the
committee
would
entertain,
but
there
is
always
a
way
for
the
public
and
I'm
a
proponent
of
letting
the
people
speak
so
that
we
can
hear
their
concerns.
And
then
you
don't
have
to
ask
for
them,
but
we
can
definitely
hear
them
and
that
can
be
placed
on
the
table
at
some
time.
If
it's
apropos
to
this,
to
the
issue
at
hand.