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Planning, Zoning & Agriculture Committee Meeting 2/17/2021 9:00 AM
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Okay,
thank
you.
We
don't
have
any
public
comment
this
morning
that
I'm
aware
of
nothing
we're
up.
I'm
going
to
combine
the
approval
of
minutes
for
january
20th
in
the
building
report
for
january
2021,
you
get
a
motion
to
approve
the
motion.
Second,
on
eckoff.
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Thank
you,
okay,
mr
skimmerhorn,
you
want
to
give
us
our
building
report.
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Certainly,
building
report
for
january
2021,
we
had
a
total
of
24
permits,
no
new
homes,
one
of
those
was
for
a
mobile
home,
though
a
new
mobile
home
three
agricultural
permits
and
five
commercial
permits,
total
revenue
brought
in
was
nine
thousand
seven
hundred
and
forty
one
dollars
that's
a
little
lower
than
last
year.
Last
year,
in
january
of
2019,
we
brought
in
10
736
dollars
in
revenue
not
too
far
off,
but
now
it
is
a
little
lower.
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Any
questions
on
that
any
questions
on
the
building
report.
We
all
had
it
in
your
packet
on
email,
okay,
tell
you
go
right
to
your
building
report.
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We
put
out
a
request
for
bids
for
the
demolition
of
203
south
laurel
lane.
This
is
part
of
our
fema.
That's
part
of
our
fema
buyout
grant.
Well.
Aima.
Excuse
me
it
is
funneled
through
aima
from
fema
a
little
bit
different
roles,
but
we
have
seven
bids
that
were
received
by
four
o'clock
yesterday,
so
I
will
start
opening
them.
Okay,
create.
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Mr
kirkstra
hi
miss
brian
aye,
mr
collins,
miss
hudson
hi,
mr
wheeler
marcia
carey's.
Thank.
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Actually,
that's
weird,
it
says
nautilus,
earth
management
on
the
envelope,
but
the
the
front
of
the
paperwork
here
says
ford,
excavating
and
wrecking
company
incorporated.
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Next
is
patrick
ryan.
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Okay,
we
did
have
a
motion
to
accept
the
lowest
responsible
bid
by
mr
kirkster.
I
don't
remember
who
the
second
one
was
the
second
one,
hudson,
okay,
thank
you
second,
by
hudson,
get
a
roll
call
on
that,
too
sure.
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Make
sure
the
committee
knows
that
this
is
reimbursed
money?
I
don't
know
if
everybody
knows
that.
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To
do
something
to
take
them
down,
but
you
can
never
build
on
the
land
they
become,
like
parks
next
to
the
river
that
we
now
have
to
maintain
in
the
long
run,
but
it's
better
than
having
houses
flood
out
all
the
time.
So
it's
a
federal
program.
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A
statement
in
there
that
they
will
pay
prevailing
wage
okay,
thank
you
until
we
go
through
it.
I
don't
know
that
right.
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Switch
that
over
up
there
and
go
down
to
the
first
slot
our
second
slide,
actually
all
right.
Every
year
in
march,
we
asked
the
county
board
to
oops
something
happened
page
down
again.
There
you
go.
We
asked
the
county
board
to
re-adopt
the
zoning
map
that
reflects
the
changes
from
the
previous
year
and
it
is
that
time
of
year
again,
we
had
a
only
had
eight
zoning
cases.
Last
year
it
was
a
pretty
light
year
for.
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Cases
on
the
zone
now.
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You
add
up
all
of
those
actions
there
we
had
six
variances,
two
special
use
permits
and
two
map
amendments.
You
can
see
that
that
does
not
equal
eight,
because
some
of
them
were
multiple
actions
on
one
case,
but
I
can
answer
any
questions
about
those.
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If
you
paint
page
down
to
the
next
one,
that
is
an
actual
copy
of
the
map.
I
know
it's
a
little
hard
to
read
there
once
approved
by
the
county
board.
It
will
be
on
our
gis
system
for
all
to
see.
If
you
need
a
copy
of
it.
Let
me
know
we
certainly
could
get
you
one.
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It's
hard
to
see
the
annexation
agreements.
We
we
black
them
out
on
our
map.
Okay,
so
that
it's
very
clear,
but
when
you're
talking
about
a
little,
you
know
200
by
200,
parcel
you're
not
going
to
see
it
at
that
scale
and
what
are
the
annexation
agreements,
for?
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Is
there
a
time
limit
on
those
usually
there's
a
20-year
sunset
clause?
So
after
20
years,
if
they
haven't
been
annexed,
they
come
back
to
us.
Okay,
do
it
again?
Okay,.
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Had
a
question
from
colton
eckoff,
I'm
not
sure
if
it
was
about
the
the
bids
or
the
zoning
map.
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Yeah,
it
was
about
the
bid
bell.
What
was
the
max
of
the
grant
that
we'd
received
for
each
demolition
for
house.
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We
had
no
max
for
each
individual,
we
did
have
a
maximum
amount
on
the
grant,
but
that
included
all
five
properties.
I
think
at
that
time
was
just
under
four
hundred
thousand
dollars.
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The
annexations
have
not
occurred
they.
This
is
just
they
choose
agreements
too.
It's
just
an
agreement
to
next
at
some
point.
So
while
they
are
have
not
annexed,
are
they
up
in
the
county
jurisdiction
or
they
are
they
in
limbo,
between
the
two.
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Basically
say
the
state
law
states
that
a
property
that
is
subject
to
an
annexation
agreement
with
a
municipality
is
is
subject
to
all
laws,
ordinances
and
rules,
as
if
that
property
was
in
the
municipality.
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Miss
peters
hi,
mr
fairfield,
mr
snipes,
all
right,
mr
smith,
all.
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Well,
I
don't
the
first
and
the
second
were
to
combine
them.
So,
okay,
okay,
yeah.
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Please,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
The
also
are
there
any
other
outstanding
decommissioning
agreements
for
any
of
the
solar
or
wind
farms
that
we
have
currently
in
in
the
county.
That
was
my
other
question.
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There
was
an
agreement
with
the
county
where
funds
were
exchanged
for
a
10-year
extension
on
the
requirement
of
that
decommissioning
plan,
so
in
10
years,
which
will
be
coming
up
in
the
next
couple
of
years.
Okay,
thank
you.
That
was
a
good
question.
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Okay,
so
we'll
run
through
that,
because
the
a
lot
of
these
are
hanging
out
there
too
they're,
not
the.
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Scrap
market
is
very
volatile.
It's
hard
very
difficult
to
estimate
out
what
scrap
value
and
what
prevailing
wage
and
things
like
that
will
be
20
years
from
now,
so,
every
three
years
they
get
looked
at
and
that
amount
may
be
raised
or
lowered
accordingly.
Okay,
so
you
could
get
your
two
and
a
half
percent,
so
really
you're.
Only
approving
these
for
the
next
three
years,
which
the
likelihood
of
them
being
decommissioned
in
that
period
of
time
is
very
low.
Okay,
these
two
solar
farms.
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These
were
the
two
that
were
added
to
the
approval.
If
you
recall
originally,
the
state
approved
a
set
number
of
solar
farms
in
the
lottery,
and
then
they
amended
that
a
while
later
to
include
a
few
more,
we
got
two
more
of
them.
That
would
be
these
two,
the
they
are
two
separate
solar
farms,
though,
even
though
they're
on
the
same
property.
So
that's
why
there
are
two
separate
decommissioning
plans,
because
one
could
be
decommissioned
without
the
other.
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The
eastern
facility,
the
total
on,
is
194
593
dollars
and
the
west
one
is
206
349
dollars
for
which
is
what
we
will
be
asking
for
a
bond
for.
You
do
have
a
copy
of
the
bond
in
your
paperwork
that
is
currently
in
the
state's
attorney's
office
for
review.
Okay,.
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Okay,
next
up
under
transportation,
we
have
fy
2022
fta
section,
5311
application.
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I
will
turn
this
over
to
ben
and
his
staff
to
discuss
the
mr
wilson
up
there
on
18..
Thank
you,
mr.
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Chairman,
so
this
is
a
relatively
straightforward:
we've
got
two
pieces
to
this,
so
we've
got
53,
section,
5311
under
fta
and
then
we've
got
downstate
operating
assistance
program,
so
doa
peter
dope.
K
These
are
the
two
funds
that
we
utilize
to
manage
the
and
operate
the
county,
rural
transportation
system
and
then
a
secondary.
I
guess
kind
of
the
third.
The
third
item
here
is
an
operational
agreement.
Part
of
this
application
process
is
us
soliciting,
while
either
in
a
operating
in-house
a
transportation
system,
transit
system
or
soliciting
a
vendor,
and
so
we
go
through
a
public
hearing
process.
K
We
held
a
public
hearing,
we
took
feedback
from
potential
vendors
and
we
received
like
we
always
do
one
vendor
that
was
interested
in
providing
our
system
currently,
and
that
was
showbus.
So
we
have
now
we're
requesting
the
ability
for
chairman
wheeler
to
apply
for
these
funds
and
then
execute
and
amend
the
the
the
subsequent
contracts
that
come
through
from
idot.
K
So
staff
reviews
all
of
them
we
do,
and
so
we
do
monthly
requisitions.
We
do
monthly
reporting
with
the
state
through
a
program
called
bob's.
It's
the
system
is
kind
of
ever
evolving
and
in
the
last
year
it's
changed
a
little
bit
now:
a
combination
of
kovid
and
access
to
state
funds
and
we're
trying
to
get
to
where
transit
providers
can
access
the
funds
a
little
more
frequently.
So
our
vendors
aren't
necessarily
expending
those
funds
and
then
waiting
for
the
getting
the
funds
back
from
the
state.
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K
So
what
we've
done
internally
is
we've
taken
all
the
paperwork
made
sure
that
chairman
wheeler
signs
it
made
sure
that
he
we
get
a
signature
from
him
on
it,
because
when
we
click
send
it's
technically
the
submittal,
but
we
don't
feel
comfortable
at
the
staff
level,
obviously
making
those
decisions
so
we're
we're
requesting
the
board's
ability
to
execute
an
annual
program
to
apply
for
the
funds
and
then
receive
those
funds.
Obviously,
there's
no
expenditure
outside
of
you
know.
What's
what's
programmed
for
it,
we
typically
in
an
annual
basis.
K
We
budget
about
fifteen
thousand
dollars
of
county
money
into
this.
So
I
think
it's
important
for
all
of
you
to
know
that
there
is
a
fifteen
thousand
dollar
line
item
within
our
budget,
that
we
use
for
our
one
of
our
local
match
components,
but
that
is
the
extent
of
our
our
participation
monetarily.
We
obviously
commit
a
lot
of
staff
time
to
this,
but
that
that
15
000
is
what's
committed
on
an
annual
basis
from
the
county
coffers
to
offer
public
transportation.
We
then
match
that
with
state
and
federal
dollars,
since.
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I
Thank
you
is
there
a
reason
why
the
name
of
the
applicant
legal
council
attorney
is
not
a
part
of
this
data
input
sheet
is
council
been
salt
to
make
sure
this
is
in
order,
which
I
don't
know
if
we're
seeking
anything
other
than
the
state's
attorney's
office,
but
is
there
a
reason
why
that's
blank.
K
We
we
have
sent
we've
sent
these
documents
up
the
state's
attorney's
office
for
review,
but
I
don't
think
we
assigned
separate
corporate
counsel
for
them,
but
I
mean
we
can
certainly
we'll
make
note
of
that
question
to
make
sure
if
we
need
to
make
sure
that
mr
rose's
name
is
listed
in
there.
If
that's
the
appropriate
thing
to
do,
but
we
haven't
an
assigned
corporate
counsel
for
the
for
the
activity.
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Thanks,
that's
it
thanks
for
talking
anybody
else.
Have
anything
any
questions,
if
not
I'll,
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
that
ben's
presentation.
I
guess-
and
it
goes
to
andy
and
then
goes
back
to
the
county
board
again,
so
get
a
motion
in
a
second
to
approve
that
question.
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I
don't
have
two
items
for
there.
I
only
have
the
report
application
motion.
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Cover
that
so
that
is
the
purchase
of
a
service
agreement,
is
actually
a
companion
document
to
the
50
year
old,
adult
applications,
so
in
the
in
the
application
process.
In
order
for
us
to
submit
for
the
for
the
funds
for
the
state,
we
have
to
prove
up
on
the
on
the
essentially
on
the
tran,
the
transit
system.
So
we
included
in
the
in
the
back
probably
back
15
or
20
pages
of
the
application
is
the
purchase
of
services
document.
K
So
we
held
a
public
hearing
submitted
published
in
the
paper
soliciting
a
vendor.
We
received
that
information
back
from
from
shelby,
so
we
put
project
parameters
together
on
an
annual
basis
of
what
our
transportation
system
should
look
like
what
hours,
they're
operating
kind
of,
where
they're
traveling,
how
the
demand
response
works,
how
the
deviated
fixed
route
works,
and
then
we
we
received
back
then
vendors
responses
to
that.
So
we
have
show
bus
in
front
of
you.
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It's
just
a
question
is
the
under
the
application
cover
letter.
It
says
for
costs
incurred
during
the
period
july
1st
through
june
30,
that
is,
that
of
2021
going
into
2022.
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K
So
this
is
we're
a
little
bit
in
the
rears
on
on
presenting
these,
so
these
are
numbers.
From
october
1st
of
2021
to
december
31st
of
2021.
K
we've
got
about
6
500
trips,
that's
down
about
37
percent
from
from
look
last
quarter
last
calendar
quarter
of
2019
to
2020.,
so
we
end
up
with
cove.
It's
still
impacting
us
our
ridership.
K
Although
steady
we're,
we
were
like
within
a
percentage
point
from
the
previous
quarter,
which
is
good.
You
know,
obviously,
there's
still
people
riding
there's
still
people
going
to
work
of
that
for
the
6
500
4700
of
those
riders
are
on
that
moment
moments
to
kankakee
commuter
trip,
so
this
is
the
starts
at
5.
30
in
the
morning
goes
to
6
o'clock
at
night
kind
of
thing,
everybody
riding
back
and
forth
to
get
to
work.
K
So
that's
kind
of
the
majority
of
our
trips,
but
we
do
have
nearly
two
2000
trips
that
are
alternate.
So
these
are
doctor's
appointments
shopping.
All
of
those
things.
Anybody
who
wants
to
ride
can
can
ride
for
whatever
reason
for
the
for
the
quarter.
The
program
expenses
were
about
175,
000
and
that
broke
down
to
about
9,
700
of
admin,
expenses
and
165
000
of
operating
giving
a
year
in
total.
We
ran
right
about
350
000,
so
operating
costs
on
that
were
317
000.
So
that's
a
pretty
fair
number.
K
Quite
a
bit
goes
into
the
operation
of
the
systems.
This
is
you
know,
buses
and
drivers
and
things
along
those
lines,
and
then
our
admin
cost
was
29
000..
So
for
for
the
year
it's
good
and
just
to
for
the
edification
of
the
committee,
you'll
notice
that
the
funds
that
are
available
to
us
or
is
about
2.1
million
dollars
of
the
funds
that
are
available
to
us
now
they
require
an
appropriate
rate,
a
local
match.
So
we
have
to
make
sure
we
have
enough
local
match
to
offset
the
cost.
K
So
we're
constantly
out
there
looking
for
local
partners
and
match,
but
as
the
system
improves,
as
the
system
gets
better
as
more
people
utilize
it.
Certainly
the
system
could
become
more
robust.
That's
that's!
Our
end
goal
is
to
have
more
buses
on
the
road
hauling
more
people
in
kankakee
county,
and
we
do
for
very.
K
Fortunately,
have
the
federal
dollars
available
to
us
for
for
that,
we're
currently
operating
on
an
extension
of
the
the
highway
bills,
so
we're
we're
we're
hopeful
for
a
federal
transportation
bill,
but
we
do
have
extension
through
essentially
september
of
this
year.
Last
year,
again
amidst
kovid,
the
congress
wasn't
able
to
get
us
a
new
bill,
but
they
were
able
to
take
the
fast
act,
which
is
a
five-year
plan
and
make
it
a
six-year
plan.
So
we
did
get
that
one-year
extension.
K
So
we're
thankful
for
that,
and-
and
there
are
the
funds
available-
we'd
certainly
like
to
see
a
new,
a
new
bill
with
some
transportation
dollars
in
it.
So,
okay.
A
F
Is
jeff
there
I'll
introduce
them?
Okay,
as
part
of
our
ongoing
information
sessions,
I've
asked
our
transportation
staff
to
do
a
little
presentation
on
the
mpo
process
and
how
we're
involved
in
that
so
I'll
turn
it
over
to
ben
jeffrey
and
mike
to,
I
think,
they're,
going
to
share
the
presentation.
A
K
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Dell.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
I
think
it's
we've
got
a
couple
new
members
to
the
committee
and
kind
of
as
we
go
through
this.
I
think
it's
important
for
everybody
to
know
a
little
bit
about
what
cats
is
so
kitty
area
transportation
study
is,
is
the
organization
that
is
our
mpo
so
and
you
kind
of
see
through
as
we
go
through
the
websites
listed,
but
that's
everything
for
us.
It's
we
are.
We
are
cats.
You
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
we've
got.
K
We
got
a
couple:
full-time
staffers
and
a
couple
part-time
staffers
and
when
I
say
part-time,
we
have
one
part-time
staffer,
but
we
have
several
of
us
that
take
a
portion
of
our
salary
out
of
the
transportation
grant
to
offer
the
services
so
portion
of
dell's
time,
portion
of
my
time,
all
of
jeffrey
and
michael's
time
and
then
a
portion
of
michelle
daniel
and
our
our
new
office
assistant,
mary
george,
so
we're
we're
the
staff
that
man's
you
know
the
the
program
we're
the
ones
that
put
that
forward,
but
just
keep
in
mind
when
you're
looking
at
those
staff
numbers
we're.
K
Not
it's
not
seven
people
working
full-time
every
day
for
cats
mpo
the
way
mpos
are
structured
in
the
us
is
as
soon
as
you
hit
a
popular
urbanized
population
of
50
000.
You
become
an
mpo
that
came
out
of
the
federal
highway
act
of
1962,
and
so
our
mpo
based
on
202
sorry
20,
1980
census,
allowed
us
to
be
the
the
metropolitan
planning
organization
being
an
mpo
we're
responsible
for
transportation
planning
and
we
typically
work
off
that
3c
process.
K
This
idea,
being
it
has
to
be
a
continuing
planning
process,
it
has
to
be
comprehensive
and
it
needs
to
be
cooperative.
That
consensus
building
component
is
a
priority
and
as
we
go
through
the
next
slides
you'll
see
you
can
kick
to
the
next
one.
This
is
just
so
everybody
knows:
there's
there's
19
or
sorry
16
mpos
in
the
state
of
illinois,
of
which
we
are
one,
that's
just
kind
of
a
little
fact.
You
can
go
to
the
next
one.
K
So
again,
1983
we
officially
became
an
mpo,
and
that
was
when
our
population
was
eclipsed
that
that
50
000
mark
in
the
urbanized
area
and
we're
housed
within
the
kanke
county
planning
department
have
been
this
entire
time.
Our
current
urbanized
population
is
about
80
000
in
the
next
slide,
you'll
see
the
member
jurisdictions
and
also
what
is
our
mpa.
K
So
the
the
metropolitan
planning
area
is
the
the
area
in
which
we
operate
as
an
mpo,
so
we're
talking
from
from
the
north
to
mantino
all
the
way
through
kankakee
bradley
bourbonnais
to
aroma
park.
We
touch
up
against
sun
river
terrorists,
but
there
are
no
system
roads
that
are
owned
or
managed
by
that
jurisdiction,
so
they're
not
included
in
our
as
a
member.
So
just
if
you
see
the
map
we
do,
we
do
touch
them
so
any
of
the
member
jurisdictions.
K
So
that
would
be
the
cities,
the
villages
that
are
within
our
mpa
and
then
under
the
fast
act
we
were
required
to
add
our
transportation
partner,
so
river
valley,
metro,
we
added
the
airport
and
then
obviously
we
have
fta
federal,
highway
administration
and
idot.
So
these
are
the
members
that
make
up
our
are
not
only
our
mpo
but
also
sit
on
our
technical
advisory
committee
and
our
policy
committee
that'll
help
us
help
the
elected
officials
make
decisions
about
priorities
or
where
to
fund
dollars
or
things
along
those
lines.
K
So
what
do
we
do?
Fundamentally?
We
manage
a
lot
of
documents,
and
so
some
of
these
are
annual
documents.
Some
of
these
are
required
every
five
years
and
we're
going
to
go
into
these
a
little
bit
more
of
kind
of
what
what
these
documents
mean
for
the
group.
So
we
have
a
unified
work
program.
We
have
a
transportation
improvement
program.
Then
we
have
out
of
the
transportation
improvement
program,
becomes
the
obligated
project
list.
We'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
Obviously
we
do
long-range
transportation
plan.
K
I
know
that
this
came
before
the
committee
very
recently.
We
just
updated
for
our
five
year
plan
and
then
one
of
the
critical
components
for
all
of
the
things
we
do
is
maintaining
performance
measures.
Out
of
the
fast
act,
we
are
required
to
have
certain
performance
measures
as
to
where
we
focus
our
efforts
and
where
we
spend
our
dollars.
We
have
to
have
critical
impacts
in
certain
categories
when
we're
putting
project
lists
together.
K
L
L
K
To
the
next
one,
so
the
tip
and
you'll
hear
a
lot
of
talked
about.
This
we've
got
a
couple
projects
going
on
that
involve
the
tip.
I
know
chairman
wheeler
is
very
versed
in
them,
but
we
wanted
to
kind
of
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
this
works
and
I
feel
like
when
our
documents
get
published-
and
you
know
it's
a
full
color
document.
It's
you
know,
100
pages,
anybody
can
read
it.
I
think
it's
important
to
remember
and
take
away
from
these
when
we're
talking
about
a
tip.
K
This
is
not
a
schedule
of
projects.
This
is
not
the
the
list
in
order
in
which
we're
funding
our
projects.
This
is
when
a
project
comes
to
us
from
our
local
jurisdictions.
We
vet
it
and
we
get
it
worked
into
our
tip.
This
allows
us
to
work
on
projects.
This
allows
us
to
move
things
forward,
but
it's
not
necessarily
how
they're
going
to
be
funded,
and
I
think
that
that's
pivotal
for
this
committee
to
understand
when
we
bring
forward
to
you,
you
know
projects
to
to
the
full
county
board.
K
I
K
I
suppose
it's
possible,
you
could
use
your
tax
increment
financing
dollars
to
match
a
a
tip,
transportation
improvement
program
project
but
yeah.
These
are
very
different
things
and
this.
This
will
give
you
an
idea.
K
So
this
is
this
is
all
the
projects
that
the
the
cats
mpo
has
completed
since
the
beginning
in
about
1978
and
it's
80
million
dollars
worth
of
work
and
for
for
a
relatively
small
mpo
in
the
state
of
illinois
for
us
to
be
able
to
do
quite
a
few
projects
in
quite
a
few
jurisdictions,
and
I
know
that
you
know:
we've
been
involved
on
lao
road.
Obviously,
there's
there's
a
couple
projects
that
we
were
solely
responsible
for.
K
Some
of
them
are
inter-jurisdictional
projects,
but
we
have
a
quick
map
for
you,
and
I
mean
the
80
million.
Is
a
pretty
nice
number?
It's
it's
not
as
much
as
we
would
want
it
to
be.
K
I
mean
the
funds
are
always
scarce
and
we
have
to
wait
quite
a
bit
of
time
in
the
in
the
beginning,
we
were
getting
about
350
000
a
year
in
in
tip
dollars
in
allocation
for
us
we're
up
to
nearly
900
000
a
year
based
on
inflationary
inflation,
but
still
the
projects
are
very
expensive
to
build
a
mile.
The
road
costs
you
four
million
bucks,
so
it
does
take
us
a
while
to
save
the
saving
up
enough
funds.
K
This
is
where,
when
we
start
talking
about
working
on
our
program,
what
the
staff
does,
as
it
relates
to
the
tip,
we
make
sure
that
the
all
of
the
projects
are
scored
and
ranked
everything's
brought
forward
to
the
committee
that
we
can
make
sure
that
any
of
the
projects
that
are
put
in
front
of
the
committee
meet
our
standards
are
ranked
appropriately
and
then
our
committee
can
make
decisions
on
how
to
fund
them.
K
So
currently,
in
the
tip
we've
got,
we
got
two
pieces,
we
have
safe
routes
to
schools
and
we
have
hobby
avenue
for
kankakee,
starting
at
fair
and
going
to
court
street
we've
been
working
through
that.
K
I
know
the
city
of
kankakee
just
did
a
presentation
on
on
their
program
and
we've
got
some
questions
at
the
at
the
mpo
level
and
I
believe
in
the
them
we're
having
a
special
meeting
this
month
for
one
tip
amendment
for
idot,
but
in
the
march
meeting
we'll
be
discussing
that
project
in
much
further
detail
to
really
get
down,
because
there's
still-
and
this
is
important
for
this
group
to
know
armor
and
50-
is
a
priority
for
us.
K
The
state
is-
is
telling
us,
you
know
here's
kind
of
the
list,
we're
meeting
actually
with
the
jurisdictions
as
we
speak
this
it's
important
for
us
to
make
sure
that
the
dollars
are
available
to
do
all
the
projects.
We
need
to
do
right
now
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
informing
the
chairman,
mr
nugent
of
the
policy
committee,
mr
wheeler's,
the
vice
chairman
and
then
the
remainder
of
the
group
of
exactly
where
the
priorities
are
for
that.
D
A
I
I
just
want
to
get
some
clarification
on
the
I
saw
that
there
was.
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
little
negative,
sound
just
a
little
tilde
on
that
4
million
5
million
on
that
from
court
street
to
fair
street.
Do
they
in
fact
have
the
money
for
that
project,
or
is
it
still
a
number.
K
So
we
have
in
front
of
us
right
now,
there's
a
couple
things
to
remember
when
we
talk
about
putting
these
tip
projects
together,
so
there's
the
local
share
and
then
there's
the
the
federal
share.
So
there's
like
the
mpo
dollars
and
then
the
local
jurisdiction
is
responsible
for
that
20.
So
in
it
in
a
traditional
tip
sheet.
What
would
happen
is
the
local
jurisdiction
would
say.
K
You
know,
as
as
it
relates
to
that,
so
we,
when
we
put
that
tip
together,
that's
how
they
identify
those
funds,
so
we
are,
depending
on
those
jurisdictions
to
you,
know
to
accurately
represent
that
that
information-
and
that's
where,
when
we
talk
about
what
our
our
commitment
is
to
hobby
avenue
as
we
work
through
this,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
they
they
have
the
available
funds
for
the
project
and
and
that's
part
of
our
our
scoring
system
you
have
to
you-
have
to
be
able
to
fund
your
your
end
of
the
project.
K
Otherwise
we
would,
you
know,
wait
wait,
two
years
for
you
or
three
years
for
you
to
get
your
money
collected,
we'll
move
on
we'll
move
a
different
project
in
for
us.
It's
making
sure
that
they
have
the
sufficient
funds
on
their
end
to
to
match
up
against
our
projected
funds
that
are
going
to
be
available
for
them.
Okay,
mr
wheeler,.
H
K
Mft
was
their
primary
funding
source
for
for
hobby
avenue.
Now
I
don't
know
if
all
of
their,
I
don't
know
exactly
what
their
allocation
is,
mr
wheeler,
and
so
it
I
think,
that's
why
the
backstop
on
the
on
the
general
fund
is.
They
say
they
have
a
million
in
mft
dollars
and
they
need
a
million
four.
Then
four
hundred
thousand
would
come
from
the
the
general
fund.
K
That
would
be
how
we
would
interpret
that,
but
they
they
didn't
break
down
in
that
in
that
line
item
exactly
where
all
the
funds
would
be
coming
from,
but
yeah
it's
a
it's.
A
relatively
large
motor
fuel
spend
based
on
you
know
an
initial
estimate
of
mpo
dollars
being
four
million
dollars
on
what
is
now
a
6.8
million
dollar
project.
K
I
I
don't
want
to,
I
don't
want
to
think
of
it
like
double
barrel,
but
this
idea
that
any
if
you
look
at
anyone's
general
fund
right,
you
had
a
35
million
45
million
dollar
general
fund.
Well,
you
can
obviously
put
general
fund
down
and
that's
less
than
400
thousand
dollars
or
more
than
400
000.
So
you
should
be
able
to
afford
it.
The
obligations
within
the
general
fund
could
have
you
deficit
spending,
and
you
could
have
been
deficit
spending
for
50
million
yeah.
We're
not
we're
not
doing
a
formalized
audit
of
that.
K
That
is
something
though,
when
the
project
gets
underway-
and
I
guess
maybe
just
to
back
up
just
a
tiny
bit-
you
can
fund
preliminary
engineering
design
work
line,
work.
You
know
drainage,
you
can
find
plans
and
specifications
and
expenses,
which
is
that
second
phase,
you
can
fund
construction,
engineering
and
construction
out
of
these
these
mpo
dollars,
and
so
some
of
the
some
of
the
funds
are
available
on
the
front
end
to
fund,
maybe
say
the
engineering's
for
a
six
million
dollar
project
is
nine
hundred
thousand
or
eight
hundred
thousand.
K
You
could
fund
two
hundred
thousand
local
funds
and
six
hundred
thousand
of
you
know
you
know
federal
funds
that
would
be
sufficient
and
I
don't
wanna
say
easy
to
get.
It's
still,
200
000
still
a
lot
of
money,
but
the
rubber
will
meet
the
road
when
it
comes
time
to
signing
contracts
and
executing
for
the
jurisdictions
to
make
sure
that
they
have
their
share
assigned.
K
So
that
way
you
know
because
these
are-
and
maybe
even
to
I
don't
know
if
chairman
was
going
here,
but
I
think
this
is
important
for
this
committee
to
know
the
mpo
is
not
responsible
for
these.
These
funds,
so
they're
not
going
to
call
me
personally
saying
ben,
you
have
to
pay
back,
you
know
60
000
or
something
the
the
jurisdictions
that
enter
into
these
agreements
are
responsible
for
those
funds.
K
So
that's
where,
when
idot's
making
that
expenditure
to
make
the
program
happen,
if
they're
saying
you're
responsible
for
your
20,
the
city
is
responsible
for
that
20
percent.
If
they
utilize
funds
for
engineering
and
this,
because
this
could
happen
to
anybody-
you
could
start,
you
could
request
engineering
dollars
and
we're
trying
to
get
very
much
so
away
from
this
and
then
engineer
project
in
10
years
later
have
not
done
it.
You
owe
that
money
back,
but
we
as
an
mpo
do
not,
and
so
that's
I
think,
that's
important
for
everybody.
K
So
when
you
know
when
the
chairman's
making
a
vote
you
know
with
with
the
backing
you
know
of
this,
his
his
authority
is
as
his
office
we're
not
ever
committing
county
dollars
to
this.
This
is
all
of
the
local
jurisdictions
obligation
on
that.
I
think
that's
a
important
distinction
to
make
so
yeah
they're
committing
their
dollars
on
hobby
avenue
and
they're
responsible
for
that
project
and
idot.
A
combination
of
idot
and
and
the
local
team
will
make
sure
that
they're
they're
committing
the
appropriate
dollars.
Yeah.
A
Okay,
I
had
a
quick
question
for
you
ben.
Is
there
some
kind
of
letter
of
commitment
or
a
promissory
sworn
statement,
or
something
from
somebody
that
says
you're
going
to
get
that
money?
What
if
we
get
all
done
and
you
don't
get,
they
don't
have
the
funds.
We
don't
know,
nobody
knows
what
kind
of
money
they're
going
to
have
later
than
they
have
right
now.
K
K
That's
that's
set
aside,
so
they
would
take.
Typically,
they
break
your
project
into
multiple
components,
so
they
would
obligate
the
design
engineering
for
a
project
or
they
would
obligate
the
construction
over.
So
it
might
be
fiscal
22,
then
construction
in
fiscal
24
and
that's
how
they
would
obligate
those
dollars.
I
think.
K
There's
there's
trust
here
and
that
that
just
it
is
what
it
is,
the
the
local
jurisdictions
are
obligated
to
make
their
20
percent.
What
happens
if
the
federal
government
starts
a
project
along
and
the
city
says
they're
going
to
pay
their
20
percent
and
and
they
never
pay
their
20,
and
you
know
it's
so
it's
kind
of
the
same
way
where
and
that's
why
they're
typically
broken
into
phases
where,
when
you're
under,
when
the
bids
have
been
let
and
you're
under
construction,
those
funds
are
obligated
in
there.
K
For
you,
there's
not
not
typically
an
instance
where
the
I'm
going
to
say
this
now
and
of
course,
it's
going
to
come
up
and
you're
going
to
haunt
me
forever,
but
it's
not
typically
a
scenario
where
we're
turning
dirt
and
then
the
federal
government
says,
oh
by
the
way
that
five
million
bucks
we
were
talking
about.
Sorry,
we
kind
of
lost
it
or
whatever
coping,
and
then
they
that
that
doesn't
that's
not
common.
If,
if
it
ever
happens
at
all
frankly,.
D
G
Yes,
when
ben
began
his
presentation,
he
explained
why
some
river
terrace
was
not
part
of
the
board
and
I
didn't
get
up.
Could
you
re-explain
that.
K
K
It
doesn't
make
sense
for
them
to
be
part
of
this
organization
because
they
they
would
be
coming
to
meetings
six
times
a
year
and
seeing
frankly
and
seeing
the
dollars
that
we're
spending
and
they
would
raise
their
hand
and
we'd,
say
you're
not
eligible
for
funds
because
you're,
not
you're,
you
don't
have
any
system
roads.
We
do
represent
that
area
and
that
idot
does
improvements
along
route.
K
17
or
county
highways
could
do
improvements
along
the
boundary
of
sun
river
terrace
and
they
could
see
benefits
of
mpo
dollars,
but
they're,
not
a
sitting
board.
Member
okay.
A
L
L
The
plan
provides
an
overall
picture
of
highways,
transit
and
non-motorized
transportation
for
the
metropolitan
planning
area,
and
it
also
identifies
transportation
needs
and
goals.
We
have
a
list
of
projects
in
there
that
have
been
identified.
L
C
There
is
an
expectation
to
have
similar
performance
measures
in
the
next
federal
transportation
bill,
and
these
performance
measures
pertain
to
safety,
infrastructure,
condition,
congestion
reduction
system,
reliability,
freight
movement
and
economic
vitality,
environmental
sustainability
and
reduced
project
delivery.
Delays.
C
D
H
K
So
when
we,
when
we
put
our
scoring
system
together
to
rank
projects,
we
looked
at
pavement,
condition,
k's
and
a's,
so
fatalities
and
incapacitating
accidents.
We
looked
at
total
traffic
count.
You
know
whether
it's
on
an
economic
drive
or
what's
the
pedestrian
account,
look
like.
What's
the
access
for
pedestrians
to
be
safe,
you
know
how
do
kind
of
all
of
these
things:
roll
in
and
who's
this
guy
high
scoring
project,
50
and
armor
there.
There
is
a.
K
There
is
a
case
just
one
one
case
I
want
to
make
for
the
the
three
way
the
three
segment
intersection
at
102
and
45
52
is
also
a
very
busy
intersection
and
likely
if
it
was
a
four
segment
intersection,
it
wasn't
a
y,
it
was
an
x,
it
potentially
could
have
more
traffic
at
it.
The
idea
being
that,
because
there's
just
one
there's
one
leg
that
doesn't
go
out
of
that
intersection,
but
armor,
armor
and
50
is
it
was
our
priority
intersection
in
all
of
the
major
categories
there
are.
K
There
are
roads
that
are
in
worse
shape,
but
there
are
not
roads
that
have
more
more
issues,
more
congestion,
more
traffic,
and
that
was
why,
when
we
put
and
there's
been
a
motion
made
by
the
the
policy
committee
to
to
make
sure
that
as
we're
talking
about
this
armor
and
50
project,
which
has
been
moved
into
funding,
which
wasn't
even
talked
about
well
two
or
three
years
ago,
where
the
funds
aren't
necessarily
set
aside,
our
tip
doesn't
reflect
some
of
this
information
because
we
didn't
think
armor
50
was
gonna
get
funded,
but
as
soon
as
they
moved
into
funding
it-
and
thanks
to
you,
know,
mr
mr
wheeler,
thanks
to
mr
ronan
thanks,
mr
rogers,
thanks
to
a
lot
of
people
working
very
hard
on
it,
we
were
able
to
get
it
moved
up
and
now
we're
talking
about
putting
us
out
aside
some
of
these
funds
to
make
sure
that
that
priority
intersection
has
safe
lighting
has
pedestrian
access.
K
A
K
I
just
have
two
slides:
if
I
can
kind
of
fly
through
them
and
the
one
the
only
takeaway
from
the
the
next
slide
is
we
actually
have
our
performance
review
with
federal
highway
administration.
In
march
this
year,
they're
going
to
be
reviewing
our
documents,
tele
review
and
then
they're
going
to
be
at
our
mpo
meeting,
which
is
very
cool,
and
I
guess
maybe
I
misspoke
there's
two
things.
K
Greenways
and
trails
plan
is
underway
mike
and
jeff
and
myself
are
working
on
the
project
we've
pulled
in
daniel
to
do
some
mapping
work
for
us
we're
trying
to
update
a
pedestrian
plan
with
the
probably
a
10-year
window
on
it
for
a
realistic
window,
but
identify
those
trails,
see
where
there's
segment
gaps
and
see
where
we
could
potentially
be
spending
our
dollars
and
where
we
can
encourage
our
partners
to
spend
their
dollars
and
then
the
last
one,
I
believe,
is
public
transportation.
K
So
we
got
what
is
three
components
of
public
transportation:
urban
you're,
aware
of
river
valley,
metro,
rural.
You
just
worked
on
the
the
rural
component
and
then
human
service
transportation
plan,
our
hstp,
we're
in
region
six,
which
is
us
ford,
iroquois,
mclean
and
livingston.
This
is
a
group.
That's
made
up
of
service
providers,
users
that
utilize
public
transportation
to
see
and
make
sure
that
we
have
appropriate
access
in
the
rural
areas.
K
All
of
the
information
we
talked
about
today
is
on
there
all
of
our
core
documents,
all
of
our
subsequent
documents.
We,
as
part
of
our
last
federal
highway
review.
They
said
you
need
your
website
needs
to
be
updated.
We
have
everything
on
our
website.
Minutes
agendas,
notes
anything
you
could
think
of
the
transportation
related,
and
I
know
that
we
get
very
far
into
the
nerdum
of
transportation
planning.
K
I
Question
the
one
of
the
great
concerns
outside
of-
I
guess
the
flood
area
in
on
hobby
and
fair
is
the
312
exit.
Many
individuals
heard
that
that
was
going
to
be
done.
If
you
are,
do
you
interface
with
the
state
or
that
just
a
state
project,
and
is
there
any
update
as
to
when
that
project
may
go
to
fruition.
K
So
we
we
interface
with
the
state
on
on
312.
We
had
a
meeting
with,
we
call
it
a
local
participation
meeting
and
at
that
meeting
they
assign
a
a
lead
agency
so
like
we're
the
lead
agency
and
for
armor
and
50,
although
there's
multiple
jurisdictions,
the
city
can't
he's
the
lead
agency.
For
that
one
I
would
say,
just
as
it
relates
to
312
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
needs
to
be
got
done
at
grinnell
at
waldron
road
there's,
some
realignment
actually
of
I-57.
K
That
has
to
be
done
to
get
enough
room
to
fit
the
diverging
diamond
or
converging
diamond,
and
so
a
lot
of
projects
will
need
to
be
constructed
prior
to
and
you've
seen
the
median
crossovers
going
in
on
I-57
getting
prepared
to
do
the
overpass
there.
So
there's
waldron
road
obviously
is
very
we're
very
involved
in
that
at
the
county
level.
But
we
have
to
do
those
things
prior
to
312
going
off
now.
K
312
has
been
engineered,
but
no
funds
have
been
assigned
for
for
construction,
and
I
don't
want
to
look
at
6000
as
our
clock
on
that.
But
6
000
was
25
years
in
the
making,
and
so
it
there's
some
there's
some
land
acquisition,
there's
probably
some
homes
that'll
need
to
be.
You
know
people
need
to
be
relocated.
That's
a
very
tough
thing
for
the
for
the
government
to
do.
We
don't
typically
like
to
relocate
people.
K
So
all
those
things
have
to
go
in
to
see
what
the
design
looks
like
and
then
by
having
to
have
several
million
dollars
of
construction
immediately,
north
and
south
of
it
just
to
make
it
work.
It
just
adds
to
the
cost
of
the
project
and
makes
it
that
much
harder
to
do.
A
Okay
ben
would
have
the
crossovers
on
the
57
there,
where
they
put
the
concrete
medians
in
to
make
the
cuts
through.
Are
they
planning
on
taking
it
down
in
one
lane
over
312
each
direction.
K
K
Is
it
might
go
down
to
like
11
feet
or
something
and
that
that
gets
sometimes
a
little
tough
for
10
and
a
half
feet
it
without
seeing
the
design
on
it,
and
I
mean
I
can
ask
mark,
I
certainly
I
can
send
you
an
email
on
it
or
I'll.
Just
come
to
the
next
committee.
If
I've
got
some
answers
and
kind
of
these,
if
they
go
down.
A
H
You
some
was
mentioned
when
we're
talking
about
hobby
was
the
the
flooding,
as
it
was
explained
to
me,
that
is
not
a
criteria
that
the
mdo
can
fund
a
project
for
was
that
correct
ben
dell?
That.
I
E
K
There
are,
there
are
pertinences
and
ancillary
benefits
to
some
of
these
projects.
Right
I
mean
you,
wouldn't
remove
and
reconstruct
a
roadway
without
replacing
the
curb
and
gutter
or
appropriately
supplying
or
appropriately
sizing
the
storm
sewer,
but
certainly
we
wouldn't
look
for
somebody
to
tear
up
a
road
just
to
get
the
right
size
storm
sewer
put
in.
I
think
that
that
being
a
benefit
of
the
project
is
is
fine,
but
that's
not
the
goal
of
the
projects.
For
us
I
mean
we're
we're
in
the.
K
Of
appropriating,
I
don't
want
to
say
this
because
I'm
not
really
a
big
fan
of
building
new
roads,
but
we're
in
the
business
of
replacing
critical
transportation
infrastructure
and
that
through
sdpu,
so
that's
our
surface
transportation
dollars
that
should
be
utilized
for
the
roadway
now,
occasionally
it's
pedestrian
access,
occasionally
it's
some
subsequent
lighting
for
a
project,
but
the
the
crux
of
it
and
that's
where
the
mpo
policy
committee
really
starts.
Looking
at
these
projects,
we
need
to
be
funding
the
roadway
the
jurisdictions
can
fund
the
engineering
the
jurisdictions
can
fund
other
things.
K
We
need
to
make
sure
that
the
surface
that
people
are
traveling
on
is
what's
being
fixed
for
us
and
then
just
this
is
another
topic
for
the
edification
of
this
group.
We
also
don't
resurface.
E
K
Our
funds
are
to
to
reconstruct
and
repair
to
give
us
a
bondable
life
on
a
project.
We
want
a
road
that
we
can
fix
and
in
20
years
it's
still
on
the
road
there.
So
we
do
not
skip
patch
or
mill
an
overlay
with
our
stpu
dollars,
so
that
you'll
see
projects
that
sometimes
you
know,
maybe
it's
in
front
of
your
house
you'd
say:
well,
I
wonder
if
they
could
use
it
there.
If
it's
not
a
reconstruction
project,
we
likely
wouldn't
be
looking
at
it.
A
Is
there
any
weird
on
the
tier
two
projects
that
they
had
two
years
ago
when
they're
gonna
be
starting
like
exit
322,
et
cetera,.
K
Been
all
being
done
at
the
same
time,
I've
only
seen
the
the
first
cycle,
the
first
fiscal
cycle,
so
you're,
one
in
that
nyp
I
haven't
seen
what
your
year
two
is
still
lump
with
year
five,
so
it's
just
two
through
five
okay,
we
haven't
been
given
an
updated
here's.
What
year
two
looks
like
from
a
construction
standpoint,
we
do
get
a
little
bit
of
you
know,
kind
of
just
through
local
roads
from
idot
and
mark
has
a
great
relationship
with
him.
K
Mr
rogers,
where
he'll
say
hey,
I
was
on
the
phone
with
local
rhodes
and
they
said
that
they're
shooting
for
this,
letting
for
this
project
or
jeff
or
I'll
get
a
call
from
ryan
lindemeyer
over
at
an
iodine
and
they'll,
say:
hey
we're
looking
for
this
on
a
certain
project
and
we
do
as
we
talk
about
mpo
projects.
I
think
it's
important
to
remember.
There
are
a
bunch
of
state
and
federal
projects
that
we
don't
manage,
but
they
are
within
our
our
our
program
parameter
parameters.
K
So
this
month,
end
of
this
month
for
the
special
meeting
idot's
doing
a
project
on
50
here
in
kankakee
river
street.
We
have
to
approve
that
this.
This
is
how
this
this
is
set
up,
where
our
local
policy
committee
has
to
approve
all
federal
expenditures
within
the
county,
and
so
it's
going
to
be
funny
during
covet.
It
was
like
we
have
to
have
a
special
meeting.
K
K
Obviously,
if
they
tell
us
they're
going
to
spend
15
million
dollars
in
our
town,
improving
our
road,
we're
not
likely
to
say
no,
but
we
do
want
to
know
what's
happening
and
where
the
dollars
are
being
spent,
and
we
do
want
to
be
able
to
give
feedback
to
say:
hey,
that's
a
priority
area
for
our
town.
Have
you
considered
maybe
adding
these
and
then,
as
part
of
that
project,
we
can
kind
of
work.
Those
things
in
yeah.
A
H
And
this
goes
back
to
the
demolition
and
the
ima
slash
fema
program,
one
of
the
problems
that
the
board
had
back
when
we
okayed
just
doing
one
house
at
a
time
was
we
were
unsure
that
the
federal
government
would
would
fulfill
our
obligations
to
pay
us,
and
we
looked
at
that
four
hundred
thousand
dollar
number
as
something
like.
Well,
we
can't
be
out
four
hundred
grand
and
they
never
pay
us
back.
H
F
F
Yes
and
all
of
the
paperwork
for
the
for
the
closings
are
ready
to
go
on
the
other
two
homes.
We
just
got
to
pull
the
trigger
to
spend,
spend
the
money,
but
it
is
more
than
just
the
demolition
when
I
got
approval
to
move
forward
with
this,
the
county
board
limited
me
to
not
having
more
than
250
000
expended
at
any
given
time.
F
We
get
the
money
back
from
this.
I
should
be
able
to
do
the
other
two
under
that
scenario.
So
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
discrepancy
when
we,
when
we
estimate
the
cost,
we
go
with
the
assessors
fair
market
value.
In
this
case,
it
came
out
to
be
six.
I
think
sixty
thousand
dollars
on
this
house
turns
out
after
appraisal
it's
ninety
seven
thousand
dollars
so
based
on
the
fair
market
value
of
the
other
two.
We
should
be
able
to
do
both
of
them.
The.
F
A
H
Guess
my
I
I
wanted
to
bring
it
up,
because
I
think
we
conflated
a
situation
where
we
had
a
change
in
the
governor's
office
and
we
had
done
some
courthouse
work.
We
had
a
grant
awarded
to
us
and
then
the
next
governor
didn't
pay
us
for
it,
so
that
money
came
out
of
our
pocket
and
we
still
had
a
bad
taste
in
our
mouth
about
what
the
state
did.
But
this
is
federal
pass
through
the
state
and
it's
a
whole
different
set
of
requirements,
obligations
and
the
the
fed's
stiffing
us
as
a
slim
and
none.
H
So
it
always
was.
But
I
guess
the
question
is:
is
you
know
cash
flow,
wise.
A
F
A
I
All
right,
so
my
understanding
is
that
we
kind
of
put
an
arbitrary
number
out
there
of
400
000,
but
we
limited
to
no
more
than
200
000
each
time.
If
we
looked
at
the
three
houses,
all
other
things
being
equal,
that
every
house
was
at
97
I'd
say
it's
going
to
be.
There
then
we're
looking
at
about
112
with
the
demolition
hope
giving
what
we
have
here.
We
go
with
the
lowest
responsible
bidder.
I
So
that
means
that
if
we
look,
we
will
still
be
up
under
that
400
000,
all
the
things
being
equal,
because
that
would
be
like
336
000.
If
for
three
houses
or
whatever,
which
then,
if
we
find
two
other
houses
outside
of
the
two
that
don't
want
to
sell,
they
say
we
would
sell
to
complete
that
five.
It
will
be
over
the
400
000.
I
But
at
this
particular
point
in
time
the
three-
I
would
probably
agree
if,
once
we
get
the
rabbit
thing
from
the
state
to
go
and
look
at
probably
starting
at
least
the
bidding
process,
to
see
what
those
other
two
properties
are
going
to
cost
this,
because
it
doesn't
cost
us
nothing
to
to
to
kind
of
get
a
determination
of
on
estimates
as
to
what
that's
going
to
cost
us
along
with
probably
the
demolition
cost.
F
F
The
400
000
number
was,
I
think,
closer
to
480
000..
It
was
not
an
arbitrary
number
that
was
a
calculated
number
based
on
estimates
and
the
information
at
hand
of
what
it
would
cost
to
purchase
these
houses
and
demolish
them.
That
was
all
five
of
them.
The
arbitrary
number
was
the
250
000
that
the
county
board
limited
me
to
oh.
G
F
What
could
be
afforded
in
the
budget?
I'm
not
sure
on
that.
That
was
a
long
time
ago
too.
So
we
have
up
to
480
000
to
spend
from
this
grant
to
demolish
these
houses,
to
buy
them
and
demolish
them.
So
we
would
have
currently
this
one
here
is
going
to
be
around
looks
like
around
112
000
total
package
price
on
this.
I
So
the
limitations
from
causing
you
to
go
further
would
be
to
move
that
250
to
what
we
already
know
is
there,
which
is
the
480
so
that
there
you
can
somewhat.
F
Yeah-
and
I
don't
know
that
it
needs
to
be
moved,
this
one
is
basically
done.
It's
going
to
be
a
matter
of
knocking
it
down
and
getting
our
reimbursement,
so
we're
really
talking
about.
Can
I
do
the
other
two
for
250
000
at
the
same
time?
Okay,
so
that
would
be.
That
would
be.
That
would
be
the
question
at
hand.
Do
you
want
to
raise
that
amount
to
allow
me
to
do
both
houses
regardless,
if
it's
300
000
to
do
the
other
two
houses?
F
F
A
I
have
a
quick
question,
though,
with
dove,
you
found
that
when
the
rumor
gets
out
that
we're
buying
a
house
to
knock
it
down
at
the
county
level
and
you're
going
to
buy
the
next
one,
the
next
one
do
the
prices
go
up
on
the
properties.
Next
to
them,
I
mean:
did
the
appraiser
come
in
and
go
wow?
I
had
a
county
bought
that
one
for
that
many
dollars,
maybe
they'll,
buy
this
one
for
a
little
more.
Is
that
how
that
works?.
F
I
don't
believe
so.
I
don't
know
how
it
really
could.
First
of
all,
the
appraisal
is
based
on
pre-damaged
value,
so
they're
not
doing
an
appraisal
on
what
it's
worth
today,
they're
doing
an
appraisal
and
what
it
was
worth
before.
The
flood
damage
occurred,
and
then
it's
extrapolated
out
to
what
it
would
be
worth
today
in
in
good.
F
Yeah,
so
I
do
not
know,
I
don't
even
pretend
to
know
exactly
how
appraiser
appraisers
do
their
jobs,
but
that
is
my
understanding
of
how
this
process
works.
They
go
home
and
get
on
zul,
because,
obviously,
if
we
paid
for
the
condition
those
houses
are
in
now,
we'd
be
paying
about
twenty
thousand
dollars
a
piece
for
them.
Yeah.
A
H
It
seems
like
some
direction
for
dell
would
be
in
order.
Is
this
committee,
okay,
with
buttoning
this
up,
going
out,
get
some
appraisals
on
the
next
two
coming
back
with
a
total
purchase
price,
you
kind
of
know
what
the
demolition
would
be
and
if
it's
around
that
250
bringing
that
back
to
finance,
if
it's
255
get
the
get
the
okay
to
go
to
255
or
if
it's
under
250,
then
he
can
start
moving
forward.
F
H
J
F
Well,
the
last
the
last
flood
damage
on
these
homes
might
even
be
2006.
It
was
like
2017
or
2018,
which
is
when
the
18th
yes,
so
when
the
damage
occurred,
that
put
them
over
the
limit
for
eligibility
for,
say
the
way.
The
way
the
flood
insurance
works
is
flood
insurance,
your
fl,
your
home
floods,
your
your
flood
insurance
will
pay
off,
but
if
those
payoffs
exceed
50
percent
of
the
value
of
the
home
during
any
rolling
10-year
period,
then
mitigation
is
required.
F
F
F
F
F
F
I
F
J
A
Okay,
I'm
gonna
move
on
to
old
business.
Now,
hopefully
I
get
out
of
this
one
without
getting
in
trouble.
We
don't
have
any
old
business
that
I
know
of
I'm
aware
of.
F
I
just
like
to
hope
you
guys
have
been
enjoying
the
presentations,
the
informational
presentations,
if
you
have
any
ideas
for
next
month
or
coming
months.
Let
me
know
if
there's
something
you'd
like
more
information
on
we've
handled
zoning
we've
done
a
planning
department
overview
and
now
we've
done
transportation,
there's
many
other
segments
of
our
office,
gis,
economic
development,
historic
preservation,
any
of
those
interest
you,
let
me
know
we'll
put
something
together.
I'd
like
to
see
you.