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Planning, Zoning & Agriculture Committee Meeting 4/17/2019 9:00 AM
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You
I
don't
have
any
requests
for
public
comment.
It's
there.
Any
public
comment:
okay,
going
to
the
approval,
the
minutes
for
the
March
29th
2019
meeting
any
additions
or
Corrections
motion
to
approve
would
be
an
order.
Mr.
Washington
MS
Polk,
you
got
to
give
me
a
break
here.
I
haven't
been
here
for
a
while
all
in
favor,
say,
aye
opposed
motion
carried
going
on
to
our
building
report.
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E
Total
residential
permits
was
48
totaling,
eleven
thousand
three
hundred
forty
two
dollars
in
fees,
commercial
permits.
We
issued
three
totaling
one
hundred
and
seventy
thousand
four
hundred
thirty-five
dollars
in
fees
total
permits
for
the
month
was
52
and
total
fees
collected
for
permits
was
one
hundred
eighty
one
thousand
seven
hundred
and
seventy
seven
dollars
and
total
fees
collected
for
the
entire
month
was
184
thousand
five
hundred
ninety
seven
dollars.
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B
G
A
F
F
F
B
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H
So
the
first
thing
I
wanted
to
do
is
just
to
give
you
a
little
background
about
storm
water
detention
and
how
it
functions
from
my
perspective
and
how
the
ordinance
is
designed
to
address
increased
rates
of
runoff
when
you
develop
property.
So
I
gave
you
a
cover
sheet.
That's
got
a
couple
items
and
I'm
going
to
cover
the
last
one.
Is
the
proposed
changes
to
the
ordinance
and
the
first
one
is
a
discussion
about
how
the
current
ordinance
works.
So
let
me
run
through
that
real
quick
I'll
try
to
go
fast.
H
H
H
H
When
we
have
development
of
property,
we
decrease
the
amount
of
water,
that's
absorbed
into
the
ground,
and
that
does
two
things.
It
increases
the
volume
of
the
runoff
and
it
also
increases
the
peak
rate
at
which
it
runs
off
and
that's
represented
by
the
blue
and
the
red
curve.
So
the
blue
curve
would
be
before
development
or
the
existing
condition
added
development
and
the
red
curve
would
represent
that
increase,
and
it
can
be
very
dramatic.
It
can
be
a
very
dramatic
increase
going
from
agriculture
or
grass
or
a
meadow
to
a
parking
lot.
H
That's
great.
It
does
cause
a
little
bit
of
extra
judgment
by
the
design
engineer
and
sometimes
discussions
between
the
design,
engineer
and
whoever's
reviewing
it,
because
they
might
not
agree
on
what
the
rate
of
runoff
is
and
it's
a
big
deal.
It's
a
big
deal
because
that's
gonna
determine
how
big
the
detention
is,
how
much
of
their
client's
property
it's
going
to
take
up
on
the
site.
So
it's
a
it's
a
financial
as
a
financial
impact
on
the
project,
and
so
that's
just
kind
of
a
point
of
contention.
H
Sometimes,
when
the
county
passed
a
new
ordinance
in
2006,
they
just
kind
of
tried
to
make
it
simple
to
come
up
with
that
allowable
release
rate
and
what
they
said
is
you
can
discharge
this
much
per
acre
doesn't
matter
about
what's
going
on
on
the
site
today.
This
is
the
rate
that
you
get
to
discharge
per
acre
and
they
chose
a
very
low
value
and
that
value
was
set
by
Northern
Illinois
at
the
collar
counties.
H
There's
an
organization
called
C
map
and
they
did
a
little
research
and
they
came
up
with
some
values
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
those
in
just
a
second.
Those
are
probably
the
lowest
allowable
release
rates
in
the
state
of
Illinois
and
and
we're
part
of
that,
the
maya
ordinance
that
we
actually
modeled
the
county's
ordinance
off
of
came
out
of
peoria
and
their
rates
were
about
double
what
we
have
in
our
ordinance.
So
the
selection
of
that
value
is
somewhat
arbitrary,
but
you
have
to
you,
do
have
to
make
a
choice.
H
The
key
takeaway
that
I
want
you
to
to
get
from
those
curves
is
that
although
detention
addresses
the
rate
at
which
water
runs
off
the
site,
it
it
controls
that
and
it
does
provide
protection
for
downstream
people,
but
it
doesn't
decrease.
It
doesn't
address
the
increase
in
volume.
Okay,
so
at
detention
pond
holds
that
water
temporarily,
but
it
still
lets
it
all
out.
H
If
you
go
down
to
the
southwest
they'll,
say:
hey,
you
have
to
infiltrate
all
the
extra
water
you're
not
allowed
to
discharge
any
extra
volume,
but
with
our
clay
soils
that
just
doesn't
happen,
so
you
can
hold
it
but
you're
holding
it
forever
unless
it
evaporates.
So
it's
just
something
that
we
deal
with
and
that
that
has
its
own
causes
its
own
problems.
H
The
fact
that
we
increase
the
volume-
if
you
look
at
the
next
team,
it's
our
code,
there's
some
markings
in
it
and
I
just
wanted
to
show
you
what
those
allowable
release
rates
are.
So
the
allowable
release
rate
for
a
two
year
event
and
I'll
talk
about
that
in
just
a
minute
is
0.04
cubic
feet
per
second
per
acre.
That's
pretty
small!
Okay!
H
So
when
you
think
about
a
detention
area,
something
has
to
hold
back
the
water
and
if
you're,
trying
to
hold
back
the
water
and
say
that
it
can't
discharge
more
than
let's
say
on
a
10
acre
site,
you
would
still
only
be
able
to
allow
to
discharge
like
0.4
cubic
feet
per.
Second,
that's
like
an
8-inch
diameter
pipe
coming
off
of
a
10
acre
site.
H
Okay,
it
can
get
pretty
hard
to
restrict
smaller
and
smaller
sites
because
you
have
to
end
up
with
a
you
know,
a
smaller,
smaller
hole
that
you're
holding
the
water
back
and
it
just
gets
plugged
up
so
that
that's.
That
number
is
mainly
about
water
quality.
It's
it's!
The
goal
is
to
hold
those
small
rainfalls
for
a
while
to
let
the
oil
and
grit
and
all
those
things
settle
out
of
the
water
in
the
detention
area
before
it
runs
off
into
the
streams
and
rivers.
H
So
that's
that's
the
primary
impact
of
that
two-year
100-year
event:
that's
a
0.15,
a
cubic
feet
per
second
per
acre
and
again,
that's
very
restrictive.
So
if
you
were
to
take
a
farm
field-
and
you
were
to
look
at
a
hundred
year
event-
it
probably
discharged
is
somewhere
between
0.4
and
0.6
cubic
feet
per
second.
So.
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J
H
H
If
the
detention
pond,
with
with
the
restricted
outlet
from
the
detention
pond,
the
rate
of
flow
decreases
significantly
so
it
should
reduce
it
should
reduce
the
amount
of
erosion
downstream,
sometimes
particularly
with
kind
of
mid-sized
sites.
The
fact
that
we've
concentrated
all
of
that
water
into
one
spot
and
we're
discharging
it
at
one
location.
Sometimes
at
that
location,
it
will
cause
erosion
because,
instead
of
sheeting
off
over,
like
a
200-foot
wide
spread
out
flow
kind
of
just
kind
of
running
off
the
property.
Now
it's
coming
out
of
that
restrictor
that
we've
had
in
there.
H
B
H
The
the
outlet
structure
from
a
storm
water
detention
once
we
adopted
this
ordinance
is
usually
kind
of
sophisticated
because
it
has
to
address
both.
So
usually
what
it
looks
like
is
a
large
manhole,
say
six
feet
in
diameter
and
then
down
inside
there,
there's
a
concrete
wall
and
the
concrete
wall
will
have
holes
drilled
into
it
and
there'll
be
different
diameters
at
different
elevations
trying
to
make
it
so
you
know
you
get
the
very
low
flows
for
the
two-year
events
and
you
get
the
higher
flows
for
the
more
significant
events.
F
F
Okay
and
then
you
know
you
were
talking
about
the
manholes
and
things
like
that.
Well,
I've
actually
seen
up
in
Orland
Park
they
had
and
it
didn't
seem
like
it
was
that
big
of
a
rain
event,
but
the
water
was
pushing
up
out
of
the
manhole
up
there.
So.
H
H
You
can
base
it
on
a
calculation
by
the
engineer
and
then
that's
arbitrary,
because
it's
based
on
his
opinion
and
experience
or
engineers
will
come
up
with
two
different
answers:
everybody
and
you
or
you-
can
base
it
on
0.15
CFS
and
that
that's
somewhat
arbitrary
because,
like
I
said
from
community
to
community
you'll,
see
a
different
value
and
the
communities
are
very
similar.
So
it's
not
totally
arbitrary,
but
it's
somewhat
it's
a
somewhat
arbitrary
value.
H
Okay,
so
the
next
thing
I
wanted
to
cover
is,
is
probably
the
most
interesting
part
to
me
and
that's
this
chart
right
here
and
I
think
that
you'll,
like
this
chart
and
kind
of
file
it
away
because
that
table
on
the
top.
Has
the
rainfall
intensities
that
engineers
use
in
our
area
when
they
do
designs
and
I
wanted
to
quickly
explain
that
chart.
So
when
it
rains
anywhere,
as
the
duration
of
the
event
goes
down,
a
shorter
rainfall
is
more
likely
to
have
an
extremely
high
intensity.
H
So
you
can
have
a
one-hour
rainfall
that
has
two
and
a
half
inches
or
you
can
have
a
24
hour.
Rainfall
that
has
seven
and
a
half
inches,
so
two
and
a
half
inches
over
one
hour
can
actually
make
a
much
more
dramatic
impact
than
seven
and
a
half
inches
over
24
hours.
So
when
we're
designing
sites
and
designing
storm
sewers,
looking
at
ditches,
the
duration
of
the
event
has
a
big
impact
and
there's
a
formula
that
I've
written
at
the
bottom
of
the
page.
H
It's
called
the
rational
formula,
there's
a
lot
of
more
sophisticated
ways
of
calculating
runoff,
but
they
all
are
kind
of
like
this.
They
address
the
same
issues
in
different
ways
and
I
wanted
to
run
through
those
things
real
quick.
So
the
intensity
is
the
I
in
there
and
the
intensity
comes
from
right
out
of
this
chart.
So
if
you
look
at
that
chart,
as
you
go
from
left
to
right,
those
intensities
are
increasing
and,
as
you
go
from
top
to
bottom,
the
intensities
are
decreasing
and
all
I
really
want
to
remember
about.
H
H
Probably
what
it
means
is
that
this
year
we
have
a
50%
chance
of
having
that
storm
and
the
hundred
year
event
what
that
means
is
this
year
we
have
a
1%
chance
of
having
that
storm
and
that
probability
stays
the
same
every
year.
Okay,
so
when
the
next
year
hits,
we
again
have
a
1%
chance
of
having
that
storm
and
again
so
on
total.
You
would
say:
oh
well,
we'll
have
that
storm
about
once
every
100
years.
That's
what
that
number
means
now.
The
other
thing
is
you
hear
a
lot
of
people
say
man.
K
H
Have
a
hundred
year
storm
every
year,
it
seems
like
we
have
a
hundred
year
storm
every
year.
That's
because
there's
an
infinite
number
of
possible
storms,
so
you
one
year
you
might
have
the
hundred
year
to
our
storm
and
then
the
next
year
you
might
have
the
hundred
year
48-hour
storm
and
then
the
next
year
you
might
have
the
hundred
years
six
hour
storm.
So
one
year
you
might
have
a
lot
of
flash
flooding
and
you
might
see
everybody's
detention
ponds
full
at
medium
to
big
size
facilities.
H
That
would
be,
if
we're
getting
like
a
four
inch
rain
in
four
hours.
Okay
or
you
might
see
just
tons
of
water
flowing
down
your
back
yard
and
that's
usually
like
a
one
hour-
rain
two
and
a
half
inches
per
hour,
something
like
that
when
the
Kankakee
River
floods,
it's
usually
like
rain-
that
happens
over
three
to
five
days.
So
it's
what's
the
average
rainfall
over
the
entire
watershed
of
the
Kankakee
River?
Doesn't
matter
kinky
River!
Doesn't
you
know
you
could
have?
H
You
could
have
a
four
hour
rain
four
inches
per
hour
right
here
in
town
and
would
do
almost
nothing
to
the
river,
so
the
area
over
which
that
waters
falling
that's
what
is
related
to
the
duration.
So
a
smaller
site
is
impacted
by
shorter
duration,
storms.
You
know
the
larger
and
larger
and
larger
the
ground
that
is
draining
to
a
certain
spot,
the
duration
that
matters
gets
longer
and
longer
and
longer
on
that
chart.
H
A
H
So
that's
a
tricky
one
and
the
takeaway
I
want
you
to
have
for
intensity.
Is
it's
not
real
it'll,
never
happen.
You
will
never
have
a
two
hour
four
and
a
half
inches
per
hour
storm.
It
will
always
be
different.
It'll
be
two
hours
and
ten
minutes
or
it'll
be
one
hour
and
45
minutes
and
it'll
be
three
inches
per
hour
or
only
five
it'll,
it's
just
a
hypothetical
storm
that
we
use
for
design
and
it
does
a
pretty
good
job.
This
equation
comes
from
when
they
built
the
railroad
across
the
United
States
of
America.
H
That's
how
old
of
this
that
that's
why
it
was
invented
by
an
engineer
to
design
culverts
to
go
under
railroads
more
than
a
hundred
years
ago.
Okay,
so
the
next
number
on
there
is
the
C
value
and
that's
called
in
this
equation.
That's
cost
a
rational,
C
and
all
it
is,
is
a
coefficient
that
represents
the
crowd.
Okay,
we
kind
of
have
a
reasonable
handle
on
that.
A
lot
of
people
do
a
lot
of
engineers.
H
Do
research
on
well,
what's
that
value
like
for
a
subdivision
with
quarter
acre
lots,
what's
it
like
for
a
subdivision
with
half
acre
lots?
What's
that
light
for
a
typical
commercial
strip
center,
there's,
there's
lots
an
engineer
can
go
to
all
these
tables
and
look
those
things
up
and
if
there's
nothing,
that's
representative
of
what
they're
doing
they
can
they
can
kind
of
get
into
the
site
itself
and
say:
well,
there's
this
much
pavement
this
much
roof,
this
much
grass!
That's
how
they're
coming
up
with
that!
H
H
Are
the
inlets
plugged
by
leaves
so
that
the
water
has
skipped
that
Inlet
and
it's
come
on
down
to
your
house
so
that
that
value
we
have
a
better
handle,
but
again
it's
just
a
snapshot
in
time,
so
it
really
changes
throughout
the
year
and
with
the
maintenance
of
the
property.
But
we
have
a
pretty
good
model.
The
only
thing
we
really
know
in
that
equation
is
a
area
okay.
So
that's
where
that
comes
from
in
our
ordinance
and
the
reason
I
went
through.
This
is
what
we're
doing
is
we're
setting
C
times
I.
H
So,
instead
of
having
the
engineer
calculate
C
and
instead
of
trying
to
figure
out
which
one
of
these
intensities
to
use
we're
saying
we're
gonna,
give
you
this
value
and
that
value
is
0.15.
Cfs
I
mean
it's
just
0.15.
So
if
you
look
again
at
our
ordinance,
you'll
see
you
take
that
number
and
you
multiply
it
by
area
so
when
they
came
up
with
this
number
in
this
method,
this
rational
this
rational
method
in
this
chart
that
was
the
basis
of
it.
H
Okay,
what
it's
based
on
is
the
C
value
of
0.15
and
an
intensity
of
one
inch
per
hour.
That's
what
it's
based
on!
Okay!
So
that's
where
that
comes
from
so
the
problem
with
our
ordinance.
Is
that
tell
me
when
I'm
reviewing
a
plan
or
when
I'm
designing
a
plan,
how
to
deal
with
sites
that
already
have
impervious
area
and
I'll?
Tell
you
why?
H
That's
a
problem:
CSL
is
the
best
example,
because
that's
the
biggest
thing
going
right
now,
so
most
of
CS
ELLs
existing
site
is
I
shouldn't,
say
most
about
65%
of
site
is
already
impervious
area
and
the
the
Bunge
facility
that
site
was
about
50%,
impervious
area
right
so
and
it
was
designed
before
we
had
a
stormwater
ordinance
at
all.
Then
it
was
some
areas
were
added
onto
it.
When
we
had
the
first
stormwater
ordinance.
That
said,
you
can't
release
more
than
you're
releasing
today.
H
The
problem
with
that
is
that
when
you
do
in
addition
to
a
existing
facility,
you
can't
separate
the
runoff
from
that
expansion
from
everything
else.
That's
already
going
on,
so
in
Bunge
or
the
I
call
it
CSL
south
now
or
the
old
Bunge
facility
basically
goes
two
directions.
It
goes
down
towards
that
Park
and
Bradley
industrial
drive,
or
it
goes
out
to
route
50.
H
So
when
they
do
that,
addition
to
that
warehouse,
it's
going
to
go
out
to
route
50
along
with
all
the
other
water
coming
off
the
site
and
our
ordinance
doesn't
give
us
an
easy
way
to
calculate
the
allowable
release
rate
where
it
leaves
the
property.
If
you
try
to
use
point
one
five
CFS
per
acre,
you
just
won't
do
the
addition,
because
that
will
take
up
the
whole
property.
So
I
don't
know.
H
If
you
can
imagine
that,
but
now
you're
gonna
go
back
in
time
and
you're
gonna
take
sixty
acres
and
you're
gonna
say
you
can
release
at
60
times
0.15.
It
gets
nine
cubic
feet
per.
Second,
it's
not
very
much.
The
site
already
discharges
30
CFS.
So
if
you
do
nothing,
it's
already
just
discharging
30.
If
you
add
a
warehouse
now
you
have
to
decrease
it
down
to
nine
for
the
whole
site
and
that
just
doesn't
work.
H
The
basis
of
my
recommendation
is
that
the
rationale
see
value
for
impervious
area
is
0.95,
so
for
a
really
good,
thick
stand
of
grass,
its
0.15
and
that's
what
this
release
rate
is
based
off
of
and
I
wanted
to
try
to
keep
it
as
simple
as
possible.
I
came
up
with
a
bunch
of
different
ideas,
but
this
is
really
simple.
It
just
says:
you're
allowed
to
release
0.15
CFS
for
all
the
existing
impervia
existing
permeable
areas.
H
So
if
there's
any
grass
or
turf
or
landscaping
or
anything
that
your
lab
will
Reese
release
rate
for
all
of
that
area
is
0.15
CFS,
but
you're
allowed
to
get
credit
for
the
existing
hard
surfaces
that
you
have
on
the
site
and
you
can
discharge
a
little
bit
more
from
that.
And
so
that's
where
the
0.95
CFS
comes
from.
H
The
way
that
works
out
is,
if
you're,
on
a
if
you're
on
a
site
that
has
hardly
any
hard
surface
on
it.
It's
really
just
like
being
at
a
green
field.
If
you're
at
a
site
is
about
50/50,
it
gives
you
a
little
relief
for
the
hard
surface
that
you
have
on
the
site.
It's
still
much
more
restrictive
than
the
existing
condition.
It
will
decrease
the
flows
off
the
site,
so,
for
example,
at.
H
With
all
of
their
expansion,
if
they
do
it
all
they're
allowed
to
discharge,
for
that
two-year
event,
four
cubic
feet
per
second
off
of
the
site,
and
you
can
imagine
how
much
more
than
that
discharges
from
the
site
today,
a
lot
more
okay
and
for
a
hundred
year
event
we're
talking
or
so
a
hundred
year
event
is
an
extreme
event
for
their
site.
But
in
any
case,
it's
like
20
cubic
feet
per
second
from
the
from
the
entire
site
to
route
50.
It
probably
discharges
on
the
order
of
70
to
75
CFS
right
now,
yeah.
F
E
H
I
H
Will
change
it
will
actually
what
it
does
is
it
establishes
a
policy
for
the
word
I
used
as
redevelopment
modifications
or
expansions
to
facilities,
so
the
existing,
the
existing
ordinance
just
doesn't
address
it.
So
this
addresses
that
so
what
we've
been
doing
and
we've
only
had,
we
hadn't
really
had
that
much
expansion
of
existing
facilities.
H
So
what
we've
been
doing
is
we've
and
there's
some
provisions
in
the
ordinance
for
just
using
judgment
so
for
these
small
things,
we've
been
using
judgment
so
like
when
they
did
that
small
warehouse
addition
at
Bunge
the
design
engineer
designed
a
small
detention
to
compensate
for
that.
But
there
was
no
as
the
as
the
I
didn't
have
a
real
hard
and
fast
rule
for
how
we're
gonna
do
it
and
as
a
reviewer,
it's
much
more
comfortable
to
have
rules
that
are
relatively
simple,
that
everybody
can
understand
and
that
we
can
make
sure
are
being
followed.
H
I
H
Won't
have
any
impact
until
somebody
comes
in
and
wants
to
do,
an
expansion,
and
what
it
will
do
is
the
fact
that
they
already
have
hard
surface
they'll
have
to
Dobie
compensating
for
that
as
well.
It's
just
not
as
much
as
if
we
tried
to.
If
you
try
to
take
a
site,
that's
50
percent
developed
and
then
you
want
that
didn't
have
any
detention,
and
then
you
want
to
implement
0.15
cubic
feet
per
second
for
the
entire
site,
you're,
just
basically
telling
them.
H
That's
gonna
just
stay
vacant
because
they
just
you
know
they
can
do
like
a
little
tiny
addition
and
then
the
rest
of
it
will
be
detention
because
they'll
be
going
backwards
and
compensate.
So
we're
not
going
we're
going
backwards,
a
little
bit
we're
asking
for
a
little
bit
more
than
what
they
have.
This.
H
H
So
if
the
outlet
goes
through
a
farm,
the
surface
of
a
farm,
that
farmer
would
probably
rather
have
a
high
rate
of
discharge
for
a
short
period
of
time,
as
long
as
it
doesn't
do
damage
to
his
crops,
because
if
he
has
a
little
low
spot,
that's
not
a
grass
swell
or
anything
like
that.
It's
just
a
low
spot
going
through
his
field.
It's
basically
that
detention
pond
leaks
for
three
or
four
days
so
that
it
just
stays
wet
and
with
corn
I.
J
It
seems
to
me
like,
but
a
lot
of
towns
have
eliminated
the
amount
of
taxable
buildings
in
the
ground,
to
think
that
they
could
make
by
having
ponds
everywhere.
If
we,
if
we
hold
more,
make
them
hold
back
more
water,
are
we
losing
more
taxable
area
or
we
I
mean
I,
don't
want
to
sound
like
the
tax
assessor.
But
if
you
say
that
we
can't
now,
we
can
only
cover
half
the
ground,
it's
the
three-quarters
of
ground.
H
Usually,
if
the
storm
water
is
stored,
underground
or
under
a
building
or
under
parking-
and
still
you
still
usually
don't-
have
to
have
a
pump,
because
it's
usually
not
any
deeper
than
the
detention
pond
would
have
been.
So
you
can
usually
do
that
without
a
pump.
It
all
comes
that
usually
comes
down
to
the
cost
of
land,
and
that's.
H
We're
talking
about
now,
yes,
the
higher
the
higher
the
value
of
the
land,
the
more
the
owners
gonna
be
willing
to
spend
to
minimize
the
impact
of
the
detention
and
that
can
be
under
pavement
and
things
like
that.
Some
communities
don't
allow
it
I,
don't
think
our
ordinance
speaks
to
it.
So
I
would
say,
allows
it
in
terms
of
there
is
a
cost-benefit
ratio
for
all
flood
control
issues,
because
you're
100%
correct
all
land
you
set
aside
for
flood
control
where
there's
detention
or
flood
plain
or
whatever
that's
land.
H
B
L
Thank
You,
mr.
chairman,
you
know,
we've
talked
about
this
a
couple
times
and
in
certain
context,
but
just
when
I
try
to
boil
this
down
to
a
couple
of
sentences,
that
I
mean
is
it's
pretty
heady
stuff?
You
know
you've,
blinded
us
with
science
here
to
a
degree,
but
we
have.
We
have
an
ordinance
with
a
coefficient
that
ci
coefficient.
That
makes
it
more
restrictive
if
you
are
building
on
rather
than
building
Greenfield.
L
Yes,
it
lowers
a
already
just
because
we
want
to
make
it
easy
and
come
up
with
a
number
that
was
easily
computable
in
adaptable
to
different
situations.
It
actually
puts
us
in
a
really
bad
situation
for
expansions
and
so
on.
All
that
you
are
bringing
to
our
attention
is:
is
the
need
to
address
that
and
make
it
so
these
expansions
can
happen
and
it
doesn't
seem
unreasonable
because
you're
not
going
the
other
direction
like
full-on,
as
Peter
said
with
water
coming
out
of
the
the
sewer
drains,
it
said
still
below
really
what
could
be
considered.
L
H
It's
both
the
new
core
site.
We
reviewed
that
the
new
course
site
discharges
in
four
different
directions.
So
three
out
of
the
four
directions
it
discharges
there.
There
was
no
hard
previous
hard
surface
discharging
in
those
directions,
so
that
was
easy.
We
just
treated
it
like
a
greenfield
site.
We
said
you
can
discharge
0.15
CFS
per
acre
from
that
the
South
East
quadrant
of
what
they're
doing
is
immense.
It's
intermixed
with
all
the
other
business
they
got
going
there
so.
L
H
Did
that
marked
it
on
there,
because
I
wanted
to
bring
it
up
a
ten
year.
Storm
sewers
are
designed
for
a
ten
year
event
and
people
don't
feel
this
way,
but
engineers
we
call
it
convenience.
It's
called
the
minor
system,
it's
totally
for
convenience,
whereas
when
we
talk
about
storm
water,
detention,
design
and
ultimate
design
for
facilities
we're
using
that
hundred
year
of
that,
so
what
happens
is
when
you
get
a
rain.
Even
you
get
a
rain
that
exceeds
the
tenure
event.
H
The
storm
sewer
is
full
and
then
water
will
start
coming
out
of
the
downstream
end
le'ts
and
won't
be
able
to
get
into
the
upstream
unless
that's
planned
and
what
we
say.
What's
flooding
we
hit
it's
two
extremes:
we
we
say
that's
for
your
convenience
and
then
for
flooding.
We
don't
call
it
flooding
unless
there's
actual
damage,
so
people
talk
about
flooding
and
engineers
always
get
a
little
confused
in
that
conversation,
because
an
engineer
doesn't
consider
it
flooding
unless
there's
actual
damage.
H
So
we're
more
likely
to
say
that
that
that
little
water
leaking
through
a
farm
field
is
flooding.
Then
we
are
to
say
water
going
up
over
a
road,
but
it's
not
going
into
anybody's
house
is
flooding.
So
that's
why
those
in
let's
pop
open
with
water,
the
storm
sewers
too
small-
it
happens
more
often
than
it
should
any.
A
F
To
compliment
you
in
looking
at
the
big
picture
and
trying
to
balance
the
ability
to
improve
your
property
versus
you
know
the
flooding
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
that,
and
thank
you
for
explaining
about
this
storm,
sir.
That
was
interesting
and
the
definition
the
engineer
does
not
see
flooding
unless
there's
actual
damage
done
right
so
and
now
have
you
considered
at
all
how
the
water
from
the
possible
Peotone
airport
would
affect
this
area
that
ever
considered
in
any
I.
H
Haven't
had
the
operative
part
of
those
calculations,
I'm
sure
there
was
a
lot
of
work
for
a
long
time,
and
but
the
answer
is
going
back
to
my
those
little
graphs
that
I
gave
you
it's
easy
for
the
engineer
to
control
that
rate
that
the
water
comes
off
the
site.
So
you
would
think
that
Rock,
Creek
and
some
of
those
other
tributaries
and
the
river
wouldn't
increase
the
flood
elevation
in
the
river,
because
that
peak.
But
we
have
a
really
hard
time
controlling
that
volume
of
runoff.
H
So,
even
though
that
it
doesn't
increase
the
peak
flows
or
the
high
water
levels
in
the
creeks
in
the
river,
it
stays
there
a
lot
longer.
So
that's
the
problem
with
big
facilities,
all
facilities
really
and
the
weakness
of
the
tools
that
we
work
with
right
now
for
those
kinds
of
things,
because
the
volume
increases
and
like
I
said
in
Illinois,
it's
just
there's
nowhere
to
put
its
I'm,
not
saying,
there's
no,
where
there's
no
no
cost
effective
solutions
for
getting
rid
of
water
so
that
it
doesn't
end
up
in
the
crease.
K
H
We
have
fairly
good
ordinances
now,
both
state
and
local,
that
do
a
decent
job
of
stopping
sediment
and
contaminants
that
weigh
more
than
water
from
going
downstream.
So
that's
what
that
two
year,
events
about!
Sometimes
we
have
the
bottom
of
the
pond
a
little
bit
lower
than
the
outlet
so
that
when
you
get,
we
called
the
first
flush.
It's
like
that,
first
15
minutes
of
rain.
H
That's
why
the
pavements
so
slick,
because
there's
oil
and
all
kinds
of
other
garbage
on
the
street
it
rains
and
for
that
first
10
minutes
or
so
it's
slick,
that's
because
that
oil
is
washing
off
and
the
goal
is
to
actually
let
that
stop
somewhere
and
settle
out.
All
of
it
doesn't
happen,
but
we
do
a
much
better
job
of
that
now
in
the
last
10
to
20
years
than
we
did
before
that
career.
A
L
A
lot
of
those
questions
about
the
airport-
it's
good
to
could
talk
about
it
because
we're
being
as
a
board,
we're
being
asked
to
show
support
for
that
that
airport
people
are
coming
to
us.
So
we're
going
to
put
it
in
front
of
the
executive
committee
at
some
point
to
to
weigh
in
on
that
and
see
what
the
board
feels
like.
But
all
of
those
questions,
retention,
detention,
you
know
mitigation,
you
know
waste
runoff,
that's
part
of
the
tier
two
he
is
that
goes
to
the
federal
government.
H
They'll,
do
they'll
go
through
a
lot
of
inspection
and
review
on
the
site
to
assure
that
their
design
meets
that
meets
a
certain
standard
and,
and,
like
I
said
it's
it's
there,
it'll
never
be
perfect,
but
it's
it's
very
good
and
it's
the
it's
much
better
than
what
we've
had
before.
Thank
you,
elastic,
okay,.
L
B
B
D
D
B
G
L
D
B
G
E
Like
to
introduce
mr.
Ben
Wilson
he's
the
newest
addition
to
the
County
Planning
Department.
He
is
the
economic
development
and
transportation
project
coordinator.
It
wouldn't
fit
on
his
business
card,
so
we're
gonna
have
to
do
some
little
change
that
title,
but
it's
a
he
works
part-time
at
the
Planning
Department
and
the
other
part
of
the
time
at
the
economic
Alliance.
It's
a
joint
position
and
mr.
Wilson.
M
Eight
one
five,
two,
two,
eight
six,
nine
nine
five
I
do
not
have
my
cards
yet,
but
it's
a
good
number
to
reach
me
at
so
yeah
there's
as
we
kind
of
postulated
the
the
job
and
talked
a
little
bit
about
on
loan
to
the
Alliance.
Let's
say
slightly
more
than
50%
MPO
a
little
bit
less
than
that
on
economic
development,
so
there's
several
tiers
of
what
I'm
working
on
with
the
assistance
of
Dowell
and
Tim
over
at
the
Alliance.
M
Obviously
it's
it's
business
development,
its
focus
on
on
route
50.
You
know
whether
it
be
the
armored
Road
intersection
or
just
a
remainder
of
the
corridor
working
with
Rick
Hitchcock
and
his
group
trying
to
find
funding
trying
to
make
projects
happen,
working
through
contacts
statewide
to
make
sure
that
we're
representative
the
table,
obviously
the
Chairman's
doing
a
fantastic
job
of
that
I'm
just
here
to
to
be
an
additional
asset
for
that
same
with
the
MPO
work,
that's
being
done
any
any!
M
You
know
thing:
I
can
bring
the
table
for
Jeff
and
his
team
to
make
sure
that
we're
receiving
the
funding
we
need
to
receive.
If
there's
more
funding
available.
We'll
be
undertaking
a
large
economic
development
strategy
rewrite
that
the
Alliance
our
current
sets
is
up
at
the
end
of
nineteen.
The
SEDs
is
the
document
we
utilize
for
federal
dollars
in
under
the
Department
of
Commerce,
so
we're
trying
to
secure
funding
right
now
to
update
them.
M
If
we
can't
secure
the
funding
to
do
that,
we'll
just
end
up
doing
it
in
a
house
just
for
guess
this
committee,
as
we
go
forward,
part
of
the
process
probably
involves
taking
on
another
partner,
so
we'll
be
looking
potentially
to
Iroquois
County.
The
big
thing
right
now
with
EDA
is,
if
it's
a
multi-county
says
they'll
potentially
give
us
the
the
funds
to
do
the
update,
so
say:
I
think
it
was
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
adding
another
County.
Then
Iroquois
County
gets
assets
out
of
it.
M
There
they'll
be
happy
as
they'll
be
able
to
use
it
and
we'll
be
happy,
as
we
won't
have
to
to
shell
out
the
cash
anything
you
have
we're
doing
outreach
within
the
municipalities
right
now.
Obviously,
because
half
of
my
time
is
out,
you
know
not
not
MPO
focused
on
the
entire
county
meeting
with
mayor's
village
administrators
chief
staff
at
the
villages
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
their
their
needs.
Their
wants
I,
keep
saying
it
we're
the
government
we're
here
to
help.
M
You
all
know
how
important
it
is
for
us
to
staff
to
be
out
in
the
county
and
representing
the
entire
county.
So
I'll
be
doing
a
lot
of
those
initial
outreach
meetings
in
this
first
month.
This
is
big
13,
maybe
on
the
job,
but
trying
to
get
this
first
month
out
of
the
way
where
I
get
formal
introductions
down
and
get
a
project,
let's
put
together
with
everybody
out,
then
bring
that
back
to
the
Chairman
will
kind
of
work
through
them.
Prioritize
the
items
and
work
on
it.
M
I
think
the
goal
will
be
for
my
position
is
to
get
this
committee,
a
staff
report
monthly,
where
you
have
an
update
on
a
kind
of
a
combination
of
what
Tim
and
Lisa
are
doing
at
the
Alliance.
So
you
know
a
little
bit
about
the
economic
development
projects
that
have
been
released
and
then
on
kind
of
the
other
side
of
just
activities,
we're
doing
a
tetanus,
County
staff
level,
so
I'll
work
with
Talentum
to
make
sure
that
gets
done.