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Planning, Zoning & Agriculture Committee Meeting 01/19/2022 9:00am
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B
A
You,
okay,
it
wasn't
notified
of
any
public
comment
and
we'll
go
past
that
okay
get
approval
of
minutes.
We
get
a
motion
and
a
second
to
to
approve
mr
kirkstra
could
get
a
second,
mr
swanson,
home
favorites.
First
in
a
second
say,
aye
all
in
favor,
say:
aye,
sorry
hi!
Oh,
she
carried
right.
Okay,
okay!
Next
up
is
the
building
report.
C
Yeah,
I
believe
the
last
building
report
was
the
october
report.
Today
I
have
the
november
and
december
reports
for
2021.
I
think
they're
on
a
separate
tab
on
your
ipad.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
november
2021
we
had
no
new
homes,
total
permits
were
76
and
revenue
generated
was
77
104
on
a
side.
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A
We
get
a
motion
to
combine
and
approve
miss
peters.
Second,
mr
ekkoff,
okay,
I
need
to
cut
any
discussion
about
building
report.
Any
questions.
A
A
Okay,
next
up
will
be
planning.
We
get
a
motion
and
a
second
for
planning
report
from
dell.
Okay,
miss
hudson
second
by
colton
for
mr
sponsor
or
mr
peter,
nine,
okay,.
C
Okay,
this
is
the
selection
of
the
kanke
county
natural
hazard
mitigation
plan,
update
for
a
consultant.
Back
in
september,
we
received
a
grant
from
aima
and
the
federal
government
for
59
000
dollars
to
update
our
his
our
hazard
mitigation
plan,
which
was
last
updated
in
2013..
C
This
plan
identifies
and
makes
recommendations
for
the
various
hazards.
Natural
hazards
that
kanke
county
is
susceptible
to
having
a
plan
in
place
that
has
been
adopted
opens
up
our
eligibility
for
a
lot
of
different
grant
opportunities
through
fema
and
aima.
So
having
a
an
adopted
plan
is
a
good
thing
to
have.
C
We
received
the
grant
back
in
december,
we
we
issued
an
rfq
for
proposals
to
hire
a
consultant
to
develop
this
plan
for
us
american
environmental
out
of
springfield,
responded
to
that
rfq
and
last
thursday,
at
the
regional
planning
commission,
the
american
environmental
did
give
a
presentation
to
them,
and
the
regional
planning
commission
recommends
that
we
select
them
as
our
consultants,
andrea
boswick,
from
american
environmental
is
with
us
today.
C
A
D
A
D
Okay,
so
good
morning
my
name
is
andrea
bostwick,
I'm
the
emergency
management
services
manager
for
american
environmental.
We
talked
to
the
planning
commission
on
thursday,
like
delbert,
said
about
what
a
hazard
mitigation
plan
is,
why
it
needs
to
be
updated
and
how
we
can
help
update
county's
2013
plan.
D
So
a
natural
hazard
mitigation
plan
details
the
national
and
man-made
hazards
that
have
previously
impacted
the
county
and
identifies
activities
and
projects
that
each
of
the
participating
jurisdictions
would
like
to
see
implemented
to
reduce
the
risk
to
people
and
property
from
these
hazards
before
they
occur.
So
the
hazard
mitigation
plan
is
different
from
the
county's
emergency
operations
plan.
Hazard
mitigation
plan
identifies
actions
that
can
be
taken
before
a
natural
disaster
strikes.
D
This
plan
needs
to
include
hazards
such
as
severe
summer
storms,
we're
talking
thunderstorms
with
damaging
winds,
hail,
lightning,
heavy
rain
flooding,
both
flash
flood
and
river
and
flooding
severe
winter
storms,
both
snow
ice
and
combination
events,
tornadoes
excessive
heat,
extreme
cold
drought
and
earthquakes.
Those
are
the
general
natural
hazards
that
are
included
in
the
plan.
D
So
why
should
the
county
update
their
plan?
Well,
the
biggest
benefit
or
reason
to
update
the
plan?
Is
access
to
those
federal
mitigation
assistance
funds.
So,
in
order
to
access
certain
types
of
non-emergency
disaster,
assistance
jurisdictions
must
be
a
participant
in
a
current
fema
approved
hazard
mitigation
plan,
and
these
plans
are
good
for
a
five-year
period.
After
that,
then,
the
jurisdictions
aren't
eligible
anymore
for
those
federal
mitigation
funds
unless
they
have
that
updated
plan.
D
So
the
jurisdictions
who
participate
in
the
plan
update
will
become
eligible
for
those
federal
funds
to
implement
the
mitigation
actions
that
are
identified
in
the
plan.
So
fema
encourages
counties
throughout
the
united
states
to
prepare
and
update
their
hazard
mitigation
plans,
because
what
they
found
is
that
for
every
dollar
spent
on
mitigation
they
can
reap
six
dollars
in
savings.
D
D
So
participants
can
include
municipalities,
townships
public
authorities,
school
districts,
special
districts
generally,
any
public
entity
we've
seen
not
only
municipalities
and
townships
participate.
We've
also
had
schools,
fire
protection,
districts,
hospitals,
unincorporated,
unincorporated,
recreational
communities,
water
districts,
those
are
some
of
the
entities
we've
seen
participate
and
would
invite
to
be
part
of
the
planning
process.
D
So,
what's
included
in
the
plan,
there's
a
couple
big
items
that
we
have
to
include,
and
they
include
a
risk
assessment
and
a
vulnerability
analysis.
There
has
to
be
a
mitigation
strategy
and
then
public
involvement
or
an
outreach
strategy,
and
then
a
capability
assessment,
so
the
risk
assessment
generally
just
goes
through
identifies
those
hazards
that
are
the
big
ones.
D
For
the
county,
we
look
at
past
occurrences,
severity
and
then
the
likelihood
of
future
occurrences
and
then
the
vulnerability
analysis
takes
that
information
from
the
risk
assessment,
and
then
we
identify
the
impacts
to
public
health
and
property,
and
then
we
estimate
future
potential
dollar
losses.
The
mitigation
strategy,
that's
the
really
the
heart
of
the
program.
D
After
we
look
at
the
risk
assessment,
we
look
at
those
projects
and
activities
to
reduce
the
damages
from
the
natural
hazards
that
are
in
that
risk
assessment,
and
what
we
need
to
do
is
we
need
to
identify
those
projects
in
the
plan.
Previously,
we
need
to
go
back
and
identify
the
status.
Have
they
been
completed?
Are
they
in
progress?
No
progress
met
and
there's
no
penalty.
D
If
you
haven't
done
anything
with
those
projects,
we
just
have
to
report
on
that
and
then,
of
course,
the
the
big
thing
is
that
we
create
jurisdiction-specific
mitigation
action
tables
for
each
of
the
participating
jurisdictions
that
include
those
projects
and
activities
for
each
of
those
participants.
D
So
what
kind
of
projects
are
eligible
for
funding?
This
is
a
hazard
mitigation
plan,
so
the
projects
and
activities
included
must
be
hazard.
Mitigation
related
we're
not
talking
emergency
response,
recovery
or
maintenance
projects;
it
have
to
be
related
to
one
of
the
hazards.
So
some
of
the
examples
of
sustained
mitigation
actions
that
we
see
are
acquiring
and
removing
flood
prone
properties
or
elevating
structures
out
of
the
floodplain
constructing
community,
safe
rooms.
That's
fema's
new
word
for
a
tornado,
shelter.
D
We've
also
seen
constructing
of
retention
and
detention
basins
for
storm
water
management,
bearing
utility
lines
to
critical
facilities
installing
hardening
materials
things
like
shadow
resistant
window,
films,
fuel
resistant,
shingles
things
like
that.
Those
are
some
of
the
projects
that
are
eligible
for
funding
through
this
program.
D
Some
of
the
projects
that
aren't
eligible
for
funding
include
things
like
snow
pals
and
dump
trucks,
radio
and
video
equipment.
Those
are
things
that
fema
doesn't
necessarily
consider
mitigation,
there's
a
scale
from
emergency
response
to
mitigation,
but
those
are
things
that
they're
not
willing
to
fund
right
now.
D
So,
as
we
said,
has
a
plan
funded
well,
it
was
funded
through
a
planning
grant
from
fema,
which
you
guys
have
already
received.
The
grant
is
administered
through
the
illinois,
emergency
management
agency
and
pays
for
75
of
the
planning
costs.
The
remaining
25
is
provided
through
local
match.
In
this
case
it's
going
to
be
in-kind
services.
D
So
how
can
we
help
you?
So?
We've
developed
and
updated
hazard
mitigation
plans
for
over
30
counties
and
several
stand-alone
municipalities
within
illinois
we're
familiar
with
the
natural
hazards
that
impact
the
various
regions
of
illinois
and
we'll
make
sure
the
plan
is
tailored
to
your
specific
needs.
We
have
three
trained
risk,
assessors
on
staff
here
in
illinois,
we're
based
out
of
springfield,
but
our
staff
has
extensive
experience,
risk
assessment,
risk
assessment,
experience
across
illinois,
especially
northern
illinois,
for
hazard
mitigation
plans.
D
We
developed
a
vulnerability
analysis
and
mitigation
strategies
that
have
been
featured
as
examples
in
both
the
2013
and
the
2018
state
hazard
mitigation
plan.
All
of
the
plans
we've
completed
have
been
approved
and
received
final
approval
through
I.e,
men
fema
and
they
were
completed
on
or
ahead
of
schedule.
None
of
the
counties
we've
worked
with
have
had
to
pay
cash
to
meet
their
local
match.
We're
able
to
meet
all
that
local
match
through
in-kind
services,
participation
at
meetings
filling
out
forms
that
are
needed
for
the
prop
the
program.
D
We
also
work
very
closely
with
all
of
the
participating
jurisdictions
to
make
that
process
as
simple
as
possible.
We
run
the
gamut
between
very
small
communities,
all
the
way
up
to
very
large
ones,
and
we
kind
of
understand
what
their
needs
are
and
we're
here
to
help
them
through
the
process.
We
don't
want
to
make
this
harder
on
them
than
it
has
to
be.
D
We
also
have
a
strong
working
relationship
with
the
mitigation
section
of
diema.
We've
worked
extensively
with
the
state,
housing
hazard
mitigation
officer
and
his
staff,
and
we're
able
to
get
quick
responses
to
questions
so
that's
kind
of
it
in
a
nutshell,
is
there
any
questions
for
me.
E
Was
taking
notes?
Thank
you
thank
you
chair,
mr
chairman
yeah.
You
mentioned
risk
and
vulnerability,
vulnerability,
projects
and
funding
community
safe
rooms.
So
we
have
many
manufactured
homes
that
don't
have
basements
and
recently
there's
been
a
lot
of
damage
from
straight-line
winds.
Normally
it
would
be
tornadoes,
but
it
seems
like
the
risk
is
getting
higher
just
due
to
changes
in
the
weather
pattern.
So
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
like
community
safe
rooms?
E
Like
an
example?
That's
all
I'm
looking
for,
like
I
said
we
have
manufactured
housing
that
you
know
it's
pretty
dense
and
there's
you
know
our
church
basement
for
example,
says
you
know
come
you
know
we're
opening,
there's
a
tornado
warning.
You
can
come
up,
but
some
people
have
to
travel
a
few
miles
to
get
there,
which
could
be
more
dangerous.
So
I'm
interested
in
that.
D
D
When
you're
talking
about
the
community
safe
rooms,
there
are
specific
criteria,
there's
an
entire
guidance
book
that
that
fema
puts
out
on
this
for
community
which
are
for
multiple
residents
and
then
there's
ones
for
private
businesses
and
residential
homes.
But
the
community,
safe
rooms
are
specific
criteria,
and
one
of
them,
like
you
talked
about,
is
how
far
people
have
to
travel.
G
D
Use
it
so
you're
not
in
certain
areas
you're
talking
about
having
excuse
me,
multiple
community,
safe
rooms,
because
of
that
distance
for
travel.
Like
I
said,
they're
built
to
high
wind
standards,
they
generally
have
generators
associated
with
them.
Ac
heating
and
cooling
units
essentially
they're
just
a
place
for
people
to
temporarily
be
for
that
period
of
time.
When
that
warning
is
going
on,
we've
seen
them
in
communities
that
do
not
have
a
lot
of
basements
so
manufactured
homes.
We've
they've
been
put
in
as
projects
for
mobile
home
parks
at
campground
facilities.
D
H
Good
morning,
could
you
just
give
me
a
brief
narrative
on
what
you
do
in
the
in
in
the
area
of
aquatics
and
drinking
water
and
wastewater
treatment,
and
how,
because
kenya
kid
is
blessed
to
have
a
river?
What
would
you
be
looking
at?
You
know
to
enhance,
or
at
least
sustain,
the
quality
of
life
for
the
residents
here
in
the
in
kentucky
county.
D
So
first
thing
we
would
do
is
definitely
talk
to
the
public
works
section
in
the
city
and
then
identify.
Are
there
any
concerns
or
needs
that
we
can
address
through
mitigation
in
terms
of
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
for
hardening?
If
and
I'm
not,
unfortunately,
I'm
not
exactly
aware
of
where
it's
at
in
kankakee
as
to
whether
it
would
need
to
we
could
put
in
a
project
for
flood
proofing
of
either
the
drinking
water
or
the
wastewater
treatment
facilities.
D
We've
seen
that
as
part
of
hazard
mitigation
plans
before
some
areas
have
a
chance
to
build
their
wastewater
treatment
plants
right
next
to
rivers
and
sometimes
that
doesn't
go
real
well,
we've
also
seen
communities
put
in
for
essentially
levees
berms
around
those
facilities
to
keep
them
from
flooding,
because
you
have
a
lot
of
advanced
technical
electrical
systems
that
you
just
don't
want
to
get
wet.
So
that's
another
way
that
we
do
that
in
terms
of
wastewater
and
drinking
water.
D
Now
one
of
the
things
is:
if
it's,
if
you
have
a
facility
and
you're,
unfortunately
blessed
with
an
older
one
and
there's
maintenance
issues
that
are
associated
with
that,
that
is
not
something
that
the
mitigation
plan
will
fund
all
right,
so
it
has
to
be
hazard
related.
It
hasn't
been
one
of
the
things
that
we've
seen
individuals
put
in
is
for
lightning
surge
protection
equipment.
D
Other
projects
that
we've
seen
for
our
drinking
water
and
wastewater
are
back
up
generators
so
that
they
that
we're
making
sure
that
they
run
and
we're
protecting
that
community
lifeline
of
water
all
right
so
that
we
have
clean
water
and
we
have
a
sewer
system
that
works
as
it's
supposed
to
during
an
event.
We
don't
need
backups,
and
things
like
that.
So
is
that.
Does
that
kind
of
address
your
question.
H
I
D
Those
are,
those
are
all
projects
that
are
definitely
something
that
can
be
put
in
for
the
kinky
this
this
city
of
kankakee.
Now
there
are
other
municipalities
where
that
that
might
not
be
their
thing,
so
these
lists
need
to
be
specifically
tailored
because
you
all
have
different
needs
and
and
wants
in
terms
of
mitigation.
J
Thank
you
first
time.
Excuse
me.
This
is
somewhat
timely
because
we
have
a
work
plan
on
the
river.
All
the
way
from
here
through
indiana,
the
kankakee
river,
and
one
of
the
big
things
we're
focused
on
is
building
retention
for
places
for
the
river
to
be
a
river.
J
Instead
of
you
know,
building
wastewater
facilities
on
the
river,
you
know
have
retention,
spillways
things
like
that
throughout,
so
I
guess
you
know
with
laterals
and
drainage
districts
and
the
coordination
with
all
of
them-
and
you
know
silt
and
sand
mitigation
in
the
in
the
river
now
versus
the
engineer,
construction
to
keep
it
out
of
the
river
and
really
the
the
zonian
land
use
recommendations
that
we
use
within
our
code
in
a
planning
department
to
make
sure
that
people
aren't
building
right
along
a
river
and
expecting
it
not
to
flood.
J
So
it's
amazing
how
that
happens,
but
you
know
it's
I'm
just
wondering
how
do
you
integrate
and
use
those
resources
and
what
you
do
for
the
hazard
mitigation?
Because,
again,
I
think
we've
touched
on
it
and
I've
heard
it
straight
from
fema
in
dc.
They
don't
want
to
pay
for
emergency
response,
but
they'd
rather
pay
for
mitigation
now,
and
I
think
we're
sitting
in
a
good
spot
by
combining
all
of
these
factors
to
go
after
larger
sums
of
money
to
build
on
success.
Would
you
agree
with
that
or.
D
I
would
one
of
the
things
that,
especially
when
you're
talking
about
building
areas
for
the
river
to
be
river,
those
are
natural
system
protection
projects.
This
is
their
new
word
for
those
and
that
that's
something
that
they're
very
interested
in
is
returning
it
back,
so
that
you
have
places
for
that
water
to
go,
that
aren't
taking
out
houses
and
you're
you're
zoning
for
it
correctly.
D
Those
are
big
things
for
fema
right
now,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
will
do
is
when
we
we
will
form
a
committee
for
this
plan
that
includes
all
the
participating
municipalities
that
want
to
participate.
Townships.
We'll
also
invite
that
group
that
we
were
talking
about.
I
think
we
touched
on
it
thursday,
that
for
that
river
project,
they
will
be
invited
to
be
a
participant
in
this
plan.
We
will
look
at
those
plans
and
we
can
incorporate
those
in.
D
We
have
to
look
at
what's
been
done
in
terms
of
planning
for
the
county.
We
have
to
report
on
that
in
the
plan
and
that's
one
of
those
things
that
can
be
incorporated
into
the
plan
and
then
what
planning
mechanisms
are
available
to
incorporate
that
into
the
county's
plan
and
everything.
So
so
that's
something
that
fema's
very
interested
in
okay.
A
How
about
it?
Oh
I'm
sorry!
I
have
one
andrea,
miss
peters,
to
have
another
one.
First
go
ahead:
okay,
first
time
for
me,
would
that
include
purchasing
property
only
doing
work
to
property,
I
mean:
are
they
involved
in
purchasing
in
spillway
areas,
flood
lands,
wetlands
areas
marsh
areas
to
hold
back
water
or
they
just
building
dams
and
berms
and
bridges,
and
things
like
that.
D
A
D
Great,
it
always
helps
to
know
what
you're
looking
at
google
earth
is
only
good
for
so
many
things,
but
to
get
a
bird's-eye
view
of
that
is
great.
You
guys
are
also
my
biggest
resource
for
all
of
this.
You
have
an
infinite
amount
of
knowledge
that
we
try
to
tap
into
when
we
do
this,
because
I
can
write
a
plan
for
you,
but
you
guys
are
the
ones
that
are
going
to
make
it.
A
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
my
question.
You
talk
about
the
river,
but
we
have
a
creek
that
runs
from
the
northeast
to
the
southwest
corner
of
rock
right
two
creeks,
and
they
have
flooded
in
the
last
10
years,
much
more
than
they
ever
have
in
the
past,
and
is
that
something
that
could
be
in
the
plan
too?
Do
you
work
with
the
army
corps
of
engineers
to
figure
out
why
they're
flooding
more
than
they
were?
I'm
just
we're
having
like
a
100
year
flood
every
year?
D
So
one
of
the
things
for
this
is
we're
planning
we
are
not
actually
going
out
and
conducting
the
projects.
All
we're
doing
right
now
is
we're
trying
to
gather
what
needs
to
be
done,
and
one
of
those
projects
can
be.
This
is
what's
happening,
we're
seeing
flooding.
We
need
to
coordinate
with
army
corps
idot
if
they're
state
or
u.s
routes.
D
Unfortunately,
as
you
all
know,
you
can't
do
anything
with
them.
That's
something
that
idot
has
to
do
so.
It's
it's
coordinating
with
them
to
see
what
kind
of
drainage
or
hydraulic
studies
need
to
be
done,
and
then
what
those
improvements
might
be
to
reduce
that
flooding
along
those
roadways
or
those
creeks.
It
may
just
be
that
this
is
this
is
the
new
normal
and
we
have
to
figure
out.
How
do
you
take
care
of
that
flooding
for
those
who
live
along
those
creeks.
I
D
It
is
not
just
rivers,
it's
creeps
to
its
streams
when
we're
talking
about
projects
it
isn't
just
associated
with
river,
it's
all
of
those
water
bodies
that
can
potentially
cause
you
to
have
issues
when
you
get
humans
against
water.
Sometimes
that
doesn't
go
so
well.
C
J
Was
going
to
say
is,
is
the
it
may
seem
like
there's
more
water,
because
there
is
we're
getting
with
we're
at
historic
highs
in,
I
guess,
115
years
of
recorded
rainfall
amounts
from
south
bend
all
the
way
through.
Here
it's
raining
more
now
I
mean
it's.
It's
like
this.
The
chart
is,
it's
pronounced
so.
C
J
Okay,
by
the
way,
can
I
ask
you
a
question:
can
the
the
identified
projects
that
we
already
have
for
the
river?
Is
that
easily
just
inserted
into
this
plan,
or
is
it
an
addendum
or
how
does
that
work,
because,
right
now,
I've
actually
had
this
firm?
It's
burke
engineering,
I
don't
mind
saying
that,
because
they've
selected
them
long
time
ago
to
do
this,
they're
they're,
putting
numbers
behind
it,
what
it
would
cost
so
to
do
this
bank
stabilization
and
potential
filtration
projects,
and
things
like
that.
J
A
D
Those
were
projects
that
were
in
that
original
plan,
like
I
said,
we'll
talk
about
the
status
of
them
and
then
we
can
look
at
them
and
say:
are
they
still
practical
for
now
or
do
we
need
to
roll
them
into
the
new
plan?
We
can
give
them
new
descriptions.
D
We
can
enhance
them
right
on
them,
because
what
we're
doing
with
this
is
we're
just
writing
those
projects
and
we
we
don't
actually
have
to
have
dollar
amounts
in
the
plan
for
this
now,
if
we
know
how
much
it's
going
to
cost
that's
great
and
we
can
include
those
numbers,
but
it's
not
necessary.
This
is.
This
is
a
wish
list
of
what
you'd
all
like
to
see
accomplished.
If
funding
became
available,
if
you
don't
put
it
in
the
plan,
you
don't
have
the
option
to
ask
for
funding
for
it.
D
Need
as
a
product,
or
what's
already
been
done,
that
we
can
say
hey,
this
has
been
already
done
in
the
last
five
to
ten
years.
This
is
where
we
need
to
go
next,
so
that
they
can
see
that
there's
been
some
implicit
implementation
of
that.
That's
something
they
also
like
to
see
in
these
plans.
F
Go
ahead,
no,
I
was
just
going
to
say
I
was
I.
I
was
at
the
original
presentation
with
the
planning
commission
and
and
heard
what
we
heard.
What
was
said,
and
I
think
the
way
we
need
to
work
to
when
we
need
to
look
at
this
is
this.
Is
this
service
is
going
to
provide
us
with
a
tool
that
we
may
not
have
within
our
own
ranks
to
to
get
planning
for
the
future?
For
for
the
present
and
for
the
future
to
to
mitigate
the
various
problems?
F
We
have
not
just
our
flooding
problems
or
our
issues,
but
also
the
safe,
the
safety
and
the
mitigation
of
the
of
the
hazards
that
we
have
within
within
all
of
our
communities,
as
well
as
not
just
certain
municipalities,
but
I
I
myself
went
over
the
the
program
after
the
presentation,
and
I
see
where
this
is
a
very
strong
benefit.
I
don't
think
I'm
not
going
to
say
that
this
is
something
we're
going
to
see
right
away,
but
down
the
road.
F
A
I
also
do
too
anyone
else
have
any
comments
right.
Nothing,
okay,
andy,
none!
Okay!
So
we
have
a
person
in
the
second
well
andrea.
I
had
a
couple
quick
questions
for
you.
How
long
is
it
going
to
take
you
to
to
process
this?
I
think
I
read
it
in
here,
but
I
don't
remember
what
it
was
real
quick,
so
everybody
can
hear
it
so.
D
And
I'm
sorry,
I
didn't
go
through
that,
so
the
squat,
the
schedule
for
this
is
probably
12
to
18
months.
Just
generally,
because
we
do
a
five
meeting
process,
we
want
to
go
back.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
everybody
has
the
chance
to
participate
if
they
want
to.
We
have
to
lead
them
through
and
there's
some
information
that
we
need
to
try
to
put
this
whole
document
together.
The
meetings
themselves
that,
after
we
organize
the
committee
we
can,
we
can
do
them
fairly
quickly.
D
D
That
time
frame
can
go
anywhere
from
two
months
to
six
to
nine
months
and
that's
not
because
they
have
major
issues
with
the
plan.
It's
just
when
it
falls
within
their
cycle
of
activities
and
if
there's
a
natural
disaster,
it
pulls
them
away
from
doing
things.
Average
we've
seen
for
a
review
is
three
to
six
months.
So
during
that
time
frame
we
just
kind
of
sit
back.
They
give
us
any
comments.
They're
generally
very
minor,
we
make
those
changes
and
then
we
come
back
now.
D
One
of
the
things
about
the
plan
is
to
be
eligible
for
these
funds.
You
not
only
have
to
participate,
but
at
the
end
you're
going
to
have
to
adopt
the
plan
by
resolution
each
of
the
participating
jurisdictions
and
it's
easy
to
do.
We
have
a
model
resolution,
we
give
everybody,
but
they
need
to
do
that.
D
We
provide
us
for
copies
of
those
adoption
resolutions
back,
we
submit
those
back
to
fema
and
then
they
give
us
a
final
approval
letter
and
that's
when
the
clock
starts
for
that
five-year
plan
maintenance
period
and
then
at
the
five-year
mark.
The
plan
has
to
be
updated
again
in
order
to
remain
eligible
for
those
mitigation
funds.
A
A
C
C
The
planning
department
has
two
different
divisions:
there's
a
third
one
that
we'll
talk
about
in
a
little
bit,
but
the
planning
division,
the
building
division
and
the
former
solid
waste
division,
and
we
also
have
the
kenky
area
transportation
study,
which
sometimes
is
referred
to
as
our
transportation
division,
and
we
also
have
the
gis
department.
I've
listed
all
the
employees
and
staff
that
are
under
each
one
of
those
categories.
C
Next,
so
what
do
we
have
coming
up
for
20,
20,
20,
20
22,
under
planning?
We
have
the
hazard
mitigation
plan,
which
we
just
previously
discussed
at
length
historic
preservation
plan.
The
the
commission
will
be
applying
for
a
clg
grant
to
develop
a
junior
township
survey
of
historic
sites
and
structures.
C
The
river
grant
we've
received
a
about
8
million
grant
to
remove
silt
and
sedimentation
from
the
the
river
and
some
other
projects.
That's
still
being
worked
out.
The
details
on
that
under
solid
waste
we'll
be
looking
into
possibility
of
reinstating
or
actually
doing
some
of
the
solid
waste
division
activities
that
we
formerly
were
not
doing,
such
as
recycling
programs
at
the
e-waste
and
that
type
of
thing.
C
C
County-Wide
broadband,
the
accelerate
illinois
program,
we'll
be
looking
for
the
need
and
deployment
of
broadband
communications.
County-Wide
we've
applied
for
a
grant
to
be
to
look
into
that.
We
have
not
received
notification
that
we
are
part
of
that
yet,
but
that's
one
of
the
things
we'll
be
looking
at
the
natural
gas
pipeline,
we'll
continue
working
on
that
project
for
pembroke,
township
heritage,
prairie,
solar
farm,
probably
within
the
next
few
weeks
to
a
month,
will
be.
We
should
be
expecting
a
special
use
application
for
that
project
out
in
essex
township.
C
It's
a
fairly
large,
I
think,
about
2
000,
acre
solar
farm
project
to
be
followed
by
the
heritage,
prairie
wind
farm,
which
covers
two
or
three
townships
out
in
that
area,
and
I
can
show
you
that
in
a
minute
here
on
the
next
slide,
but
that's
a
I
forget
how
large
that
is,
but
a
couple
of
hundred
megawatts
of
wind
power,
and
we
should
be
looking
at
other
possible
renewables
that
will
be
coming
our
way
this
year
grant
park.
C
Wind
farm
is
still
still
being
discussed,
but
they
haven't
came
to
us
in
a
while
on
anything
on
that
project.
Duke
energy
is
looking
for
a
solar
farm
project.
West
of
the
city
of
kankakee
boralex
renewables
are
looking
for
a
project
somewhere
in
kankakee
county
next
slide.
I
put
together
a
map
of
the
west
end
of
the
county
to
show
you
all
the
various
renewable
project
sites
that
are
out
there.
The
green
up
in
the
upper
left
corner
is
the
heritage.
Prairie
solar,
the
kind
of
peach
color
in
the
middle
is
the
heritage.
C
Prairie,
wind
farm,
yellow
and
blue
down
at
the
bottom
are
the
our
existing
solar
farms.
The
duke
energy
area
is
the
blue
off
to
the
right
there
that
blue
circle
there.
We
don't
have
any
specific
land
that
they've
identified
to
us.
That's
just
their
search
area
for
establishing
a
utility
grade
solar
farm
in
that
area,
and
I
it's
a
little
hard
to
see
on
the
map,
but
all
the
other,
smaller
ones
that
were
approved
in
2018
are
also
on
there.
C
We
did
have
one
two
three,
four,
seven
community,
solar
gardens
that
were
approved.
Five
of
them
are
up
and
running
and
producing
electricity.
C
C
Next,
please,
under
zoning,
the
agritourism
ordinance,
as
you
are
all
aware,
was
excuse.
C
Yeah,
the
etj,
which
is
very
important
when
it
comes
to
the
wind
farm,
because
the
county
does
not
have
sighting
authority
within
those
circles.
So
you
can
see
that
part
of
the
heritage,
prairie
wind
farm,
the
county
board-
will
not
be
approving.
Those
municipalities
will
have
to
approve
anything
within
those
circles.
C
A
C
C
So
it's
my
understanding
and
that's
a
question
for
the
attorneys,
but
I
believe
they
could
defer
their
authority
to
us
if
they
could
not
if
they
did
not
have
the
capabilities
of
reviewing
and
processing
it,
but
that
would
be
a
discussion
to
have,
but
without
that
discussion
the
county
has
no
authority
within
those
circles
for
wind
farms,
okay,
okay,.
C
Under
zoning
as
you're
aware,
the
agritourism
ordinance
was
repealed
last
month,
due
to
the
agricultural
experience
act,
we
are
still
working
on
a
let's
say,
called
a
writer
bill,
trailer
trailer
bill
to
make
some
changes
to
that,
to
make
it
a
little
more
palatable.
I
have
had
I've
heard
no
word
on
that
as
of
right
now,
but
that's
something
we'll
be
working
on
this
year,
we're
looking
at
the
possibility
of
adding
accessory
dwelling
units
to
our
ordinance.
C
We
have
not
begun
that
process
yet
so
I
can't
really
say
where
that's
going
to
go,
but
an
accessory
dwelling
unit,
I
think
granny
suite
it
would
basically
be
a
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
for
a
family
member
needs
care
we're
getting
a
lot
of
phone
calls
from
residents.
C
Next,
building
division
currently
right
now
the
we're
being
reviewed
by
the
iso,
which
is
the
insurance
service
office,
to
look
at
our
building
code
effectiveness,
grading
scale,
which
is
a
which
will
produce
a
number
that
tells
us
how
we're
doing
as
far
as
our
codes
and
our
enforcement
of
our
regulations
that
and
that
that
number
can
affect
it,
goes
into
a
huge
matrix
because
fire
departments
and
distance
from
fire
departments
all
playing
to
it.
But
that
number
can
affect
the
cost
of
homeowners
insurance
in
our
county.
C
So
we
want
the
best
number
possible
for
that,
and
that
is
done
every
five
years
and
we
are
currently
in
the
process
of
working
on
that,
coinciding
with
that
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
makes
that
number
the
best
possible
is
having
the
latest
codes
adopted.
So
we
will
be
looking.
Our
current
code
for
building
is
2015
and
we'll
be
looking
at
adopting
the
2020
codes
this
year,
which
is
the
latest
codes.
A
J
C
C
I
can
tell
you
we
will
never
be
able
to
afford
enough
inspectors
for
their
recommendations
and
that's
usually
what
hurts
us
the
most
on
our
scoring,
because
they
they
have
a
so
many
per
10
000
houses
or
such,
and
we
are
always
well
under
that
number.
But
from
our
standpoint,
those
things
play
into
it.
Do
we
use
outside
services
like
engineers
and
for
reviews
and
that
type
of
thing
yeah,
so
yes,
certifications,
education
that
all
plays
into
it.
C
No,
it's
a
10
point
scale,
10
being
the
worst
one
being
the
best.
It's
my
understanding
that
there's
nobody
has
ever
gotten
higher
than
a
three
you'd
have
to
be
pretty
much
perfect
to
get
higher
than
that,
and
so
three
is
really
good.
I
think
we're
at
a
four
currently
so
we'd
like
to
keep
that
four.
C
C
Joe
there's
also
other
outside
forces
that
play
into
it
to
into
the
overall
insurance
rates
like
you're.
Probably
if
you
have
a
volunteer
fire
department
versus
a
paid
full-time
fire
department,
that
gets
you
different
points.
Do
you
have
fire
hydrants
and
a
water
system
in
your
community
distance
to
the
fire
department,
ambulances,
hospitals,
it
all
plays
into
the
whole
huge
matrix?
C
C
We
were
given
the
opportunity
to
purchase
automation
software
for
our
issuing
building
permits
and
our
contractor
registration.
We
have
been
using
it
for
a
year
now,
it's
going
well,
all
of
the
staff
uses
it.
In
fact,
we
have
not
issued
a
a
paper
building
permit
in
probably
nine
months,
so
it's
all
been
done
through
this
automation,
software.
The
public
is
starting
to
use
it.
C
C
Last
year
we
did
an
abandoned
structure
survey,
not
sure
where
that's
going,
but
there
was
over
200,
abandoned
or
dilapidated
structures
that
we
found
county-wide
in
the
unincorporated
area
and
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
ways
that
we
can
use
our
codes
and
our
enforcement
process
to
start
rectifying
that
situation.
C
One
of
them
was
purchased
and
torn
down
we're
waiting
for
reimbursement
on
that
one
so
that
we
can
demolish
purchase
and
demolish
the
other
two
homes
we
have
until
december
31st
of
this
year
to
complete
that
project.
J
Had
that
under
old
business
is
there
any
any
way
we
can
revisit
that
at
the
next
pza
meeting,
because
that
was
a
recommendation
that
came
out
of
the
committee.
People
were
afraid
we
weren't
going
to
get
our
money
from
the
state,
so
they
said,
let's
do
two
houses
tear
those
down,
get
repaid
and
then
we'll
feel
comfortable
to
move
forward.
J
I
would
ask
that
maybe
we
put
that
on
the
agenda
to
revisit
that,
because
you
don't
get
stiffed
on
that
kind
of
money,
because
it's
fema
through
the
state
all
right,
but
we're
going
to
run
into
a
problem
with
some
of
these
other
river
access
projects
that
we're
going
to
be
starting
to
work
on.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
land
is
clear,
so
I
just
want
to
throw
that
out
there
if
that's
acceptable.
Maybe
we
can
do
that
next
month.
C
Yeah
and
we
are
ready
to
move
forward,
we
just
we
were
given
the
order,
not
to
start
the
next
one
until
we
reimbursed
from
the
previous
one.
Until
we
get
that
reimbursement,
we
can't
we
can't
do
anything.
So
I.
J
C
For
transportation,
obviously
they'll
still
be
doing
all
of
the
things
they
do
every
year
to
update
plans
and
keep
the
process
moving,
but
this
year
we'll
also
be
starting
the
greenways
and
trails
plan.
Again
we
had
start
that
started
that
project
last
year,
then
we
lost
the
staff
member
that
was
working
on
it.
We
finally
have
that
staff
member
replaced
so
we'll
be
moving
forward
with
the
greenways
and
trails
plan.
Anything
else
you'd
like
to
add
ben
for
transportation.
Okay,
next
gis
department
we're
going
to
continue
updating
the
system.
C
We
are
consolidating
some
servers.
We
are
trying
to
eliminate
the
cloud-based
servers
that
we
have.
Currently
we
have
three
cloud-based
servers
as
we
migrate
that
data
to
our
our
own
servers
that
are
in-house.
Here
we
will
be
eliminating
those
servers
which
will
help
us
reduce
costs
and
give
us
better
control
over
where
our
data
is
actually
sitting.
C
C
C
We
know
the
new
census
was
done,
not
everything
is
out
yet
for,
but
as
it
becomes
as
it
comes
out,
the
gis
department
will
be
putting
it
out
for
for
use,
probably
building
a
few
applications
that
the
public
can
use
to
better
navigate
that
data
as
it
becomes
available
and
next
and
last
and
generally
for
the
office.
C
I've
been
charged
with
coming
up
with
a
customer
service
improvement
program
for
our
office,
which
is
just
about
complete
and
once
that
is,
is
finalized,
then
we'll
be
starting
to
implement
that,
and
that
is
going
to
be.
One
of
our
big
focuses
this
year
is
improving
our
customer
service
and
part
of
that
as
I've
as
I've
gone
through,
it
is
image
and
branding.
We
definitely
need
to
improve
our
image
and
let
the
community
know
who
we
are
where
we
are
and
what
we
do.
C
J
C
The
planning
part
of
that
will
be
completely
updated
and
then,
as
far
as
fees
go,
this
is
something
that's
been
on
our
radar
for
a
while
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
our
fee
structures
for
rural-based
service
providers,
storm
water
permits
and
flood
plain
permits.
Currently
we
charge
no
fee
for
any
of
those.
Three
we're
not
exactly
sure
why.
A
C
A
A
C
As
far
as
storm
water
permits
go,
I
think
the
intent
was
to
charge
a
fee
for
those
our
ordinance
says.
Talks
about
a
fee
are
on
munico,
you
go
there.
It
says
for
stormwater,
permit
fees
go
to
section
18.1,
but
when
you
go
to
section
18.1,
there's
no
fee
listed,
somebody
back
in
2006
didn't
follow
through.
C
I
don't
think
on
that
one
and
again,
when
you're
building
a
new
home,
you
know
you're
getting
your
fees
out
of
the
building
permit,
but
if
you're
building
just
a
pond
or
reworking
your
lot
building
a
berm
there's
no
building
permit
for
that,
so
it
would
just
be
a
storm
water
permit
and,
like
I
said,
we're
not
recapturing
any
of
our
our
cost
for
those
type
of
permits
and
rural
base
service
providers.
Again,
I
don't
know
why
they
did
not
charge
a
fee.
H
G
I
was
that
curious
when
the
state
legislature
is
talking
about
doing
some
changes
for
the
pembroke
pipeline
natural
gas
pipeline.
Do
you
have
any
information
on
that?
What
they're
wanting
to
change
and
why
I.
K
I
don't
have
an
acronym
for
this
one
though
so
so
there's
a
there's.
A
subsequent
bill.
That's
been
been
introduced
in
the
house
by
a
chicago-based
representative
and
when
we're
on
our
last
call
with
with
nicor
and
the
team,
a
lot
of
what
the
bill
says
makes
sense
to
us
right.
K
I
mean
you
know
in
in
running
a
a
natural
gas
main,
and
I
feel
like
this
is
where,
but
just
a
little
bit
up
on
the
soapbox
people
start
saying
pipeline
and
they
think
like
keystone
and
we're
talking
about
the
natural
gas
line
that
runs
to
every
person
in
in
this
room,
and
this
we're
just
trying
to
offer
natural
gas
to
residents
just
like
we
all
have
in
our
own
homes.
K
But
there's
there
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
like
objection
to
this
because
it's
a
pipeline,
and
so
so
there
is
there's
a
little
traction.
The
the
the
way
the
bill
is
written
on.
K
It's
it's
just
to
make
sure
that
if
you're
a
landowner-
and
you
don't
want-
you
know
kind
of
the
way-
it
reads
is:
if
you
don't
want
the
the
pipeline,
the
line
running
through
your
property,
that
you
would
not
be
able
to
be
forced
into
that,
and
so
in
talking
with
the
nicore
team,
you
know
we
want
people
who
want
to
be
involved
in
this
to
be
involved
in
this,
and
I
mean,
but
from
a
public
utility
standpoint
there's
you
know
sometimes
it's
easier
to
go
across.
K
Sometimes
you
have
to
go
around
it's
this.
This
will
be
designed
to
where
our
partners
know
where
the
line's
going
we're
on
land.
You
know
that
we
have
appropriate
access
to
and
we'll
provide
it
to
home
owners
that
want
the
the
natural
gas.
If
people
don't
want
to
become
participants
to
this
they
don't
have
to.
But
that
seems
to
kind
of
be
how
this
this
bill
has
introduced.
It's
in
it
was
introduced
on
the
29th
of
december.
I
think
it
got
dumped
into
rules
like
fifth
of
january.
K
There's
no
cosponsors,
it's
just
a
single
sponsor,
but
it's
something
we'll
continue
to
monitor.
I
can
just
tell
you
kind
of
from
the
team's
perspective
it
seemed
to
to
not
like
the
reaction
I
got
from
the
nikora
team
was
that
it
was
was
not
a
you
know,
some
sort
of
deal
breaker
or
anything
along
those
lines.
K
So
the
project's
moving
forward,
we're
doing
what
we
need
to
do
on
our
end
and
there
can
be
subsequent
bills
introduced
and
with
the
big
hurdle,
was
getting
that
that
that
house
bill
passed
the
representative
haas
introduced
and
that
that
that
was
the
big
step
for
us.
So
thanks,
mr
wheeler.
A
J
You
thank
you.
The
I've
already
I've
spoken
to
our
lobbyist
on
this
twice,
there's
various
guesses.
Why
this
representative
is
so
interested
in
this
out
there
again
they're
playing
it
up
like
it's
an
eight
foot
diameter
pipe
going
across
the
top
of
people's
lands
instead
of
a
eight
inch
pipe
going
under
the
ground.
J
There's
a
lot
of
misinformation
out
there,
I'm
heard
from
almost
everybody.
I've
heard
of
no
person
say
that
they
think
the
bill
will
see
the
light
of
day.
Stranger
things
have
happened
just
because
that
they've
already
taken
action
on
this
in
the
very
last
legislative
session,
all
right,
and
so
why
go
back
and
undo
everything
that
the
governor
and
both
houses
of
the
legislature
have
approved
last
year.
There's
also
a
part
of
this
that
says
all
the
land
out.
J
There
is
going
to
be
given
to
nature
conservancy
or
fish
and
wildlife,
or
somebody
so
there's
out
it's
concerning
because
they're
not
stopping
and
they're
they're
starting
misinformation
campaigns
and
massive
protests
which
equal
three
people
from
the
area
going
up
to
chicago
with
300
from
chicago
saying.
They
don't
want
to
deliver
really
an
economic
fuel
solution
to
an
area
that
desperately
needs
it.
So
I
I
would
say
it's
a
good
question
why
she
keeps
doing
this
representative
harper.
We
can't
really
figure
out.
J
It
doesn't
make
much
sense,
especially
when
it's
against
the
wishes
of
people
that
actually
live
there
right.
That's
what's
so
amazing
about
this.
Is
that
the
people
there
want
it
and
the
people
that
have
natural
gas
in
their
homes
wherever
they
live,
don't
want
these
folks
in
rural
hopkins
park
in
pembroke
township
to
have
natural
gas.
It
makes
no
sense
propane
lobby.
J
I
I
A
A
K
Chairman,
so
this
is
gonna,
be
kind
of
an
anecdotal
update.
I
just
wanna
there's
something
that
came
out
of.
We
have
a.
We
have
a
bi-monthly
transit
call
with
idot
there's
staff
here,
staff
from
showbus
staff
from
other
throughout
the
state.
I
dot
sit
on
this
call
and
one
of
the
things
that
came
out
of
it
and
I've
spoken
with
with
with
miss
dick
about
it,
and
I
wanted
to
kind
of
share
with
this
committee.
K
K
So
I
just
kind
of
want
to
like,
as
we
every
every
system
needs
vehicles
regularly.
We
typically
get
you
know
every
couple
of
years.
You
get
a
couple
vehicles,
you
roll,
the
oldest
ones
off
you,
roll,
the
newest
ones
in
and
just
kind
of
like
this,
this
kind
of
shifting
rolling
vehicle
stock
that
that's
not
going
to
happen,
so
we're
we're
being
tasked
by
idot
to
kind
of
just
keep
an
extra
eye
on
our
vehicles.
We've
got
some
very
qualified
staff
that
they
know
what
the
buses
are
doing.
K
They
know
if
they
make
a
funny
noise.
What
needs
to
be
looked
at
and
they've
kind
of-
I
don't
think,
necessarily
authorize
this
yet,
but
the
dialogue
sounds
like
they're
they're
likely
going
to
be
able
to
we're
gonna
be
able
to
do
some
work
where,
typically,
you
might
have
said,
hey,
that's
a
broken
whatever
you
know
just
put
that
one
on
the
replacement
list,
because
it
costs
a
certain
portion
of
the
total
value
of
the
vehicle.
That
might
be
something
we
end
up,
fixing
under
the
grant.
K
As
a
because
of
this,
this
access-
and
there
are
there-
are
vehicles
in
fleets.
I
was
just
in
a
visit
at
the
airport.
There's
there's
you
know,
planes
that
fly
for
50
60
70
years.
It's
just
you
maintain
them,
and
so
it's
not
that
the
vehicles
cannot
be
fixed
or
cannot
be.
You
know
kept
at
a
a
safe
standard
and
that's
it
so.
K
The
takeaway
from
this
is
we'll
make
sure
our
vehicles
are
safe,
we'll
work
with
our
partners
to
make
sure
that
the
people
riding
our
system
if
you're
riding,
if
you're
running
on
a
bus,
if
you're
you're
being
offered
can't
key
real
transit
you're
getting
you're
getting
the
product,
you
need
so
we'll
make
sure
of
that.
But
it's
just
interesting
that
the
state
really
hasn't.
K
Given
us
a
good
answer
on
when
we're
going
to
get
new
vehicles
and
there's
this
kind
of
nebulous
like
coved
things
cost
money,
we
don't
know-
and
I
feel
like
we're-
we're
all
living
in
that
world,
but
we
still
have
to
buy
things
and
still
have
to
to
offer
this
service.
K
So
the
that's
just
kind
of
a
an
odd
anecdotal
thing,
but
I
wanted
you
to
hear
that
the
system
itself
we're
trending
up,
but
I
will
say
that
a
lot
of
what
happens
in
rural
transit,
so
the
majority
of
our
rides
are
still
on
that
commuter
route
between
the
city
of
kankakee
and
the
city
of
moments.
We're
getting
people
back
and
forth
to
work.
K
K
So
when
we're
at
I
could
I
don't
know
what
the
current
positivity
rate
is,
but
let's
say
18
or
whatever
was
the
last
rolling
positivity
rate
for
kanke
county
when
the
numbers
start
to
you
know,
get
up
that
high
and
we're
only
testing
sub
2
000
tests
a
day
and
we're
seeing
200
cases
or
whatever,
whatever
the
specific
math
was
they're
starting
to
make
decisions
about,
maybe
we
won't
be
doing
as
many
rides,
so
that
has
an
effect
on
our
system.
K
So
we're
pleased
in
the
the
we're
trending
upward
you
know,
even
in
in
still
kind
of
this
is,
is
the
covid
part
you
know
year
three?
I
guess
I
don't
know
how
we
want
to
look
at
that,
but
so
so
things
are
good,
we're
still
well
below
what
ridership
was
previous
to
that
and
then
we're
still
we're
experiencing
higher
costs.
If,
if
we
need
to
give
rides
we're
making
other
buses
available,
people
need
rides
within
our
county,
we're
making
sure.
K
But
then,
if
you
only
have
three
or
four
people
because
of
the
way
the
family
units
are
set
up
for
them
to
get
their
appropriate
space
with
on
the
within
the
vehicle,
then
we
might
have
to
send
a
second
bus
to
it.
So
that's
a
second
bus
second
driver
second
bit
of
cost.
Where
previously
you
could
put
12
people
on
a
bus,
and
that
was
you
know
something
we
could
do
with
with
frequency.
So
there's
we're
still
kind
of
in
this
fallout,
this
endemic
fallout,
but
it's
trending
up
and
it's
it's
looking
good.
K
It's
just
that
that
vehicle
procurement,
thing's
kind
of
odd
and
so
we'll
stay
monitoring
it
and
again,
we'll
make
sure
our
vehicles
are
safe
for
the
for
the
riders.
But
it's
just
it's
something.
That's
concerning
that.
We
could
be
five
or
six
years
in
between
a
procurement
and-
and
I
know
that-
maybe
not
this
committee,
but
the
county
as
a
whole
has
looked
at
this
when
we
replace
any
of
our
rolling
stock.
K
If
you
wait
too
long
in
the
you
know
the
sheriff's
department,
you
get
kind
of
this
backlog
of
vehicles
that
are
now
tooled,
and
so
we
just
don't
want
to
get
there
because
you
know
medium
duty.
Super
medium
duty
vehicles
aren't
rolled
off,
maybe
like
some
of
the
other
vehicles
that
are
produced.
So
it's
something
we'll
be
mindful
of
it
and
we'll
report
back
as
info
becomes
available
yeah.
So.
A
J
Mr
wheeler,
thank
you
ben
ben.
It
seems
like
that
that
that
I
won't
call
it
door
to
door.
You
know
they
call
for
the
demand
response.
That's
that's
the
word.
That's
that's
the
true
unknown
variable.
Isn't
it
we
don't
really
know
where
or
do
we
know
where
people
are
coming
from
and
where
they're
going,
because
you
could
measure
year
to
year
what
the
system
is
doing.
Yeah.
K
We
we
we
have
logs
of
we
have
rider
logs
right,
so
we
have
individual
rider
logs
and
we
can
tell
you
kind
of
you
know
from
what
address
to
what
address
and
that
becomes
like
a
lot
of
healthcare
based
right,
I
mean
you
live
out
in
a
rural
area.
We
show
up
at
this
address
and
you
know,
especially
if
you
have
regular
things
like
dialysis
or
regular
medical
treatments.
K
We
track
those
but
the
I
think
fundamentally
in
rural
transit,
it
becomes
who's,
rural
transit
for
and
you
ask
the
average
resident
and
they
say:
oh
that's,
for
people
that
maybe
need
to
go
the
doctor
or
that's
for
the
elderly,
and
the
answer
is
real.
Trans
is
for
anybody
who
wants
to
use
it.
So
it's
about
making
me
making
a
resident
aware
that
they
can.
They
can
get
that.
K
You
know
that
that
ride
for
for
whomever
in
their
family,
I
will
say,
though
the
kind
of
default
answer
typically
is
when
you
say
you
have
a
rural
transit
system,
and
I
tell
somebody
in
this
room.
They
say:
oh
well,
that'd
be
great.
If
my
mom
needs
a
doctor's
appointment,
I'll
make
sure
she
gets
on
on
the
bus
or
whatever
it
could
be
anybody
and
so
trying
to
market
that.
So
it's
not
just
individual
rides
for
for
certain
activities.
It
can
be
for
whatever
that
that
rider
needs
and
having
those
buses.
K
I
I
will
say
rural
transit.
Is
we
work
in
the
kind
of
deadhead
term
right
the
idea?
It's
an
empty
bus
going
out,
picking
up
one
person
dropping
them
off,
and
then
I've
got
a
driver
either
waiting
around
for
an
hour
trying
to
because
if
they
can't
make
it
to
another
ride,
they're
just
you
know
wait
that
kind
of
down
time
is
what
makes
it
a
less
efficient
system.
K
A
system
like
metro
is
constantly
rolling
the
buses
and
people
are
on,
and
it's
we'd
like
to
get
it
to
where
you're
going
out
to
a
town
and
you're.
Taking
someone
out
and
you're
bringing
somebody
back
and
that's.
Our
commuter
system
is
great
for
between
hearing
moments,
we're
driving
people
in
and
out
every
day,
large
volumes
of
people
getting
back
and
forth
to
work.
You
can
you
can
come
back
midday
if
you
have
a
you
know:
child
care,
appointment
or
something
for
your
family.
You
can
make
it
back
on
one
of
those
trips.
K
Those
are
the
really
great
system
needs
it's
this.
The
demand
response
is
it's
kind
of
like
one
vehicle
out
one
vehicle
and
one
rider
out
one
rider
in
and
so
trying
to
see
what
efficiencies
could
be
made
in
that
market
would
be
optimal,
but
I
can
tell
you
rural
transit,
just
it's
hard
to
optimize,
so.
A
Bennett,
a
quick
one
for
you.
So
if
you
live
three
blocks
in
my
house,
you
can
do
you
can
ride
the
bus.
But
if
you
live
in
municipality
you
can't
use
the
bus
so.
K
K
We
can
take
you
from
the
non-urbanized
area
to
the
non-urbanized
area.
That's
that's,
okay,
but
we
cannot
do
trips
wholly
within
the
urbanized
area.
There
are
conditions
that
can
be
met
where
you
know
whether
it
be
this.
The
current
system
provider
in
the
urban
area
cannot
provide
the
trip
there.
There
are
some
some
caveats
to
that
and
the
way
that
with
fta
manages
this
but
yeah
for
the
most
part,
if
you're
in
town
to
in
town,
that's
metro,
if
you're
out
of
town
in
town
or
out
of
town
out
of
town,
that's
us:
okay,.
H
That's
the
there's,
a
question
is:
has
there
been
any
talk
about
utilizing
the
bus,
the
the
utilization
of
buses
as
one
incentives
for
the
homeless.
K
I
mean
we,
we
haven't
really
had
that
discussion.
I
don't
know
what
the
logistics
of
that
would
be,
and
I
guess
is
it
I
mean
probably
a
cursory
look
of
so
if
somebody
else
is
doing
that
to
see
kind
of
how
that
was
done,
I
mean
if
there
was,
I
mean
conceivably.
If
you've
got
a
bus
sitting,
that's
warm
and
it's
gonna
be
sitting
there
for
a
couple
hours.
You
know
I
you
know
it
seems
doable.
I
just
I
don't
know
what
that
all.
What
that
all
would
look
like.
I
was.
H
Probably
looking
at
kevin
just
instead
of
riding
to
destination
being
able
to
ride
just
to
if,
for
those
extreme
cold
times
that
they're
able
just
to
get
on
and
get
some
type
of
you
without
just
a
destination
to
destination.
H
Right
going
or
if
they
do
just
take
it
from
one
place
to
a
place,
that's
probably
warm,
certainly
not
the
mall,
but
whatever
places
that
maybe
get
there
at.
K
Yeah,
I
suppose
I
mean
I
was
just
trying
to
think
like.
If
yeah
you
mean
it
right
right
now,
so,
due
to
covid,
we
don't
have
the
app
so
we're
just
doing
a
a
fairless
ride.
You
could
get
on
the
commuter
route
from
here
to
moments
and
just
maybe
never
get
off,
and
just
you
know
the
last
bus
of
the
day
hop
off
and
you
could
ride
conceivably.
I
guess
that
could
happen.
K
I
have
ridden
the
the
metro
system
to
go
up
like
if
I
get
my
car
worked
on
at
a
dealership,
I'll
just
hop
up
here
and
go
up,
I
mean
conceivably,
you
could
just
not
hop
off.
I
just
don't
know
if
you're
in
a
rural
area,
you
have
to
call
us
for
the
ride
and
we
would
say
okay,
where
you
going
when
you
need
to
be
there,
and
I
will
say
it's
a
lot
about
you
know
I
want
to
be
here
at
this
time
and
this
you
know
it
becomes
okay.
K
Well,
if
you
have
to
be
there
by
10
in
order
for
us
to
make
sense,
we
have
to
pick
you
up
by
maybe
like
nine
and
they
say.
Okay,
I
want
to
be
at
the
store
for
an
hour
and
a
half
and
we
say:
okay,
we
can
pick
you
up
kind
of
in
this
window.
It
might
not
be
it's
not
it's
not
cab
service.
So
I
don't
know
how
that
would
work
on
the
the
rural
area
where
you're
like
hey,
you
know,
hey,
you
know.
H
Was
looking
at,
they
said
that
dr
pembroke
has
a
I'm
calling
nursing,
but
they
have
a
senior
citizen,
that's
out
there
as
and
they
allow
them
as
a
warming
place.
So
I'm
wondering
if
we
can,
just
if
we
were
able
to
buy
the
transportation
get
them
there.
Kcci
is
also
a
warming
center,
so
I
guess
that
they
can
identify
and
work
with
those
warming
centers
so
that
these
individuals
will
have
like
a
ride.
Versus
freezing
to
death
in
in
the
cold
is
what
I
was
telling
you.
K
Yeah
I
mean
I
would
certainly
say
if
somebody
called
our
system
and
said:
hey
we,
you
know
we
have
a
warming
center,
that's
a
couple
miles
from
my
house
and
I
prefer
not
to
walk
on
a
you
know,
a
one.
You
know
one
digit
degree
day
can
I
get
a
ride
and
that
would
be
a
scenario
we
can't
do
add
eight,
but
we
can
do
it
8,
45
or
something
and
we
can
drop
you
off.
K
Now,
if
the
maybe
you
know
that
the
pembroke
township
example,
if
the
senior
facility,
or
just
it's
just
a
housing,
it's
a
it's
a
apartment,
complex
right,
but
just
for
seniors,
though,
if
they
were
to
call
us
and
say
hey,
we
have
three
or
four
people
a
day
that
come
and
and
don't
have
rides,
but
they
come
here
for
warming.
You
know
that
would
be
something
we
could.
K
You
know
look
into,
but
I
would
say
if
any
of
those
users,
if
anybody's
watching
this,
wanted
to
call
and
said
hey,
I
need
a
ride
day
again
anywhere
it
doesn't.
You
don't
have
to
be
a
senior,
you
know
you
don't
have
to
have
some
sort
of.
You
know:
physical
disability,
you
just
it's
just
a
bus
for
people
to
ride,
and
I
mean
we
say
it
a
lot,
yeah
yeah
this
is
this
and
so
yeah
we
can.
A
Okay,
dell:
anybody
else
have
any
questions
for
transportation.
Okay,
thanks
ben
okay,
dale!
Do
you
have
anything
else?
No
you're,
okay,
okay,
we're
gonna
go
to
old
business!
Now
I
didn't
know
if
you
had
anything
more,
I'm
planning
to
go.
Okay
under
old
business.
We
have
anything.
Andy
wanted
us
to
talk
about
something
in
old
business.
Didn't
you?
No!
It
was
just
the
the
buy
out,
it'll
be
on
the
next
stage.
Okay,
so
we'll
put
it
on
the
next
plan:
okay,
anyone
anyone
else
have
any
old
business;
okay,
no
old
business.
E
No
new
business
just
move
to
adjourn
if.