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Planning, Zoning & Agriculture Committee Meeting 8/18/2021 9:00 AM
B
A
All
right,
thank
you,
kelly.
Thank
you.
Everyone
for
being
here
we've
got
kind
of
a
light
agenda
in
front
of
us.
Hopefully,
it'll
go
through
quickly.
We
do
have
a
deviation
on
the
agenda.
We
will
be
moving
transportation
up
a
little
bit,
so
mr
wilson
can
scoot
along
with
his
next
engagements.
Any
public
comment.
A
C
C
C
So
that's
a
good
number
of
job
riders
going
back
and
forth
between
the
city
of
kentucky
and
moments.
We
always
like
to
see
that,
but
we
do
like
that
that
number
that
20
or
2
700
riders,
if
they
want
to
you,
know
just
go
anywhere
within
the
county.
Doctor's
appointments
go
shopping
whatever.
It
is,
we're
glad
to
see
those
riders
are
riding
our
system
and
and
getting
that
service.
C
Total
expenses
for
the
quarter
were
about
186
000
and
that's
split
between
sorry
for
for
programming
and
that's
split
between
admin
and
operating,
and
we
hover
between
right,
around
eight
percent
admin
cost
and
then
92
operating
so
92
two
cents
on
every
dollar
goes
directly
to
to
the
the
operation
side
of
the
service
and
then
total
expenses
for
the
the
program
grant
year
was
about
700
000.
So
we've
worked
system
up
over
over
the
time.
C
We're
spending
nearly
three
quarters
of
a
million
dollars
on
rural
transit,
and
that's
that's
always
a
good
thing.
We'd
always
like
to
spend
more
and
it's
a
nice
little
segue.
For
me.
The
second
item
that
we
have
on
the
agenda
today
is
the
social
service
contracts
update,
and
I
will
say
that
one
of
our
greatest
limiting
factors
for
rural
transportation
has
always
been.
How
do
we
grant
match
enough
dollars?
So
we
have
federal
funds
that
come
through
in
the
5311
program,
and
then
we
have
the
downstate
operating
assistance
program
from
idot.
C
The
federal
funds
have
to
be
matched
with
the
state
funds
and
we
always
have
kind
of
an
abundance
of
dollars
that
we
can't
quite
get
the
leverage
right
on
and
right
now.
What
I
just
want
to
talk
to
this
committee
about
a
little
bit
is
we've
been
contacted
by
laura
at
show
bus
about
an
opportunity
to
apply
for
some
funds
to
do
a
service
contract
from
the
airy
agency
on
aging.
C
We
obviously
want
this
committee
to
know
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
for
that
part
of
that
application
is
us
we're
going
to
issue
a
letter
to
for,
on
behalf
of
the
county.
Saying
showbus
is
our
current
operator.
Here's
you
know
the
amount
of
time
they've
operated.
Here's
you
know
how
the
program's
worked
for
those
years.
Just
you
know
as
a
letter
of
some
kind
of
a
support
for
their
their
application
and
being
a
service
provider,
and
then
those
funds
can
be
used
by
our
program,
which
would
be
fantastic
for
us.
C
A
All
right
I'll
entertain
a
motion
for
allowing
the
chairman
to
sign
that
contract
when
it
arrives.
Mr
swanson,
mr
donnell
letter,
okay,
great
all
those
in
favor,
say
aye
opposed
same
sign.
Great.
Thank
you
for
that.
Thank
you
again.
Ben
we'll
move
on
to
number
four
building
building
report
july
2020,
mr
chairman,.
A
A
D
D
A
D
D
First
of
all,
we
are
calling
them
unoccupied
and
dilapidated
structures
to
make
this
list.
Both
items
must
the
property
must
qualify
under
both
of
those
and
the
reason
why
is
abandoned
structures
seems
to
indicate
that
taxes
have
not
been
paid
and
no
owner
can
be
found,
which
is
very
rarely
the
the
case.
There's
almost
always
a
responsible
party.
D
Very,
very
rarely
do
we
find
that
there
is
not
a
an
owner,
so
we
we
are
reluctant
to
call
them
abandoned
structures
and
generally
call
them
unoccupied,
dilapidated
structures.
I
do
have
some
definitions
on
the
on
the
screen
up
there.
I
don't
know
that
I
need
to
go
through
every
one
of
them.
I
think
everybody
knows
what
an
occupied
structure
is.
An
unoccupied,
dilapidated
structure
would
be
one
that
has
it's
been
neglected.
There's
structural
issues
could
be
broken
windows,
the
junk
and
debris
in
the
yard.
D
So
I
think
I
think
we
all
know
what
what
a
dilapidated
structure
would
look
like.
Moving
on,
I
put
together
a
based
on
our
current
survey,
which,
like
I
said,
is
probably
about
60
percent,
maybe
70
percent
of
the
unincorporated
kaneki
county.
So
far,
and
I
put
together
this
spreadsheet
of
totals
for
each
township.
D
There
are
some
townships.
We
have
completed
rockville's,
one
of
them
bourbonnais,
one
of
them
and
norton
township,
and
we're
just
about
done
with
salina
township,
as
you
can
see,
the
totals
for
the
county.
So
far,
we've
got
95
residential
properties,
16
of
those
are
mobile
homes,
eight
commercial
properties,
one
agricultural
property
and
two
other
properties.
Those
are
institutional
ones,
a
church
and
one
is
a
school
totaling.
D
I'm
sorry,
I'm
looking
at
the
wrong.
I
actually
updated
this
since
then,
so
those
numbers
are
a
little
higher.
I
think
it's
98
on
the
residential
totaling
109
properties
so
far,
and
you
can
see
where
they're
spread
out
there's
at
least
one
in
every
township,
so
they
are
spread
out
throughout
the
county.
If
you
want
to
go
on
to
the
next
slide,
please
there's
a
map.
Every
star
is
one
of
those
properties.
You
can
see
that
they
are
everywhere,
but
there
are
some
clusters
as
well.
D
D
D
The
third
photo
is
a
burned-out
house
in
moments
just
outside
the
moment's
city
limits
on
parish
street,
the
other
one
in
the
lower
corner
in
moments
is
out
in
indiana
heights,
and
the
next
two
are
in
otto
just
off
of
otto
road.
Next,
please,
here's
some
more
residential
first
two
are
in
pembroke
township.
There's
a
mobile
home
in
saint
and
the
roof
is
falling
in
on
it.
There's
a
very
old
structure
in
limestone
it's
a
actually
a
limestone
structure
has
no
roof
on
it.
The
interior
is
pretty
much
not
there
anymore.
D
It's
probably
been
there.
The
house
is
probably
like
1880s
1890s
as
far
as
when
it
was
built,
and
then
there's
two
in
yellowhead.
The
first
one
is
on
route,
one
just
south
of
grant
park
and
the
other
one
is
on
route
route.
One
just
east
of
grant
park.
First
road
past
the
towers
out
there
next
place,
and
we
also
have
some
commercial
properties.
We
have
the
old,
jj
ruffles
down
on
route
45
coming
into
town.
D
We
have
the
gas
station.
I
think
that
one
is
fairly
recently
abandoned
but
and
it
it
may
be
for
sale.
I
did
not
see
any
for
sale
signs
on
it,
but
the
weeds
are
starting
to
grow
up
on
it,
so
it
appears
to
be
unoccupied
and
a
lot.
It's
starting
to
dilapidate
limestone
township.
We
have
the
old
davidson's
west
restaurant
in
moments.
Township
we
have
the
pleasant
it's
known
as
pleasant
corners.
D
Was
a
gas
station
convenience
store
at
one
time,
probably
dates
back
to
about
the
1930s
1920s
in
pembroke
township.
We
have
two
more
commercial
structures.
I
believe
they
used
to
be
gas
stations
as
well.
Next,
then,
for
the
other,
I
wanted
to
show
a
few
others.
We
do
have
a
church
and
a
former
grade
school
in
pembroke
township.
D
So
the
committee
asked
me
to
put
together
a
top
10
list
last
month
and
I
got
to
tell
you
that's
very
difficult
to
do,
because
you
got
to
try
to
figure
out
what
the
criteria
is
and
each
one
of
these
I
can
tell
you-
is
fairly
important
to
the
people
that
live
around
it.
That's
like
the
number
one
for
them,
so
it's
it's
the
number
one
on
their
top
ten
list,
even
though
it
may
or
may
not
be
on
ours.
D
Some,
but
some
of
the
factors
that
we
do
consider
is
you
know
structural
condition
of
the
building
that
puts
it
very
high
on
our
list.
If
roofs
are
caving
in
or
walls
are
falling
over
proximity
to
neighborhoods
and
other
properties,
if
it's
sitting
out
on
five
acres
by
itself,
it's
not
as
high
a
priority
for
us
if
it's
in
a
residential
neighborhood,
where
there's
children
and
and
people
around
visibility
within
the
community,
is
it
on
a
major
route?
That
is
it's
one
of
the
things
we
look
at.
D
D
So
those
are
some
of
the
items
that
we
look
at
so
from
all
of
that
we
put
together.
This
is
our
top
10
list
currently,
and
I
said
we
only
got
about
60
or
70
percent
of
the
county
completed
in
our
survey,
and
these
are
in
no
particular
it's
not
one
through
10
and
this
one
being
the
most
highest,
but
this
one
is
on
route
45
right
at
the
county
line
in
mantino
township.
D
Next,
this
one
is
in
the
flood
plain
on
in
avon
beach,
which
is
just
over
the
bridge
on
route
17
on
the
south
side
of
route,
17.,
it's
starting
to
collapse,
and
it's
about
20
feet
from
the
cankee
river.
Next,
this
one
is
back
on
spruce
lane
in
aroma.
Township
there
is
an
owner.
We
are
in
talks
with
them
he's
supposed
to
be
coming
in
to
get
a
permit
to
finish
it.
It's
been
sitting
like
this
for
quite
a
while.
D
D
D
Next,
this
one's
in
pembroke
township
that
photo
is
not
probably
not
the
best
photo
either.
It's
got
some
structural
issues
on
the
other
side
and
this
one
here.
We've
actually
got
this
one,
because
this
one
was
full
of
conex
containers.
The
property
was
some
junk
cars.
They
actually
cleaned
that
up,
but
have
done
nothing
with
the
house
so
far
it's
so
it
has
some
issues
as
well
and
that's
all
of
them.
So
I
would
like
to
I
know
if
you
want
to
open
it
up
for
discussion
now.
D
E
I
mean,
I
think
the
first
thing
that
the
county
needs
to
be
aware
of
is
that
private
property
owners
have
the
right
to
control
their
own
property
subject
to
appropriate
restrictions.
Zoning
ordinances-
it's
not
illegal
for
private
property
owners
to
allow
their
properties
to
sit
vacant
so
long
as
they
are
following
the
zoning,
the
ordinance
restrictions
that
are
put
in
place
when
you're
talking
about
eminent
domain
you're
talking
about
the
government
coming
in
and
taking
people's
property.
So
it
is
a
big
deal
and
probably
something
that
should
be
used
sparingly.
E
E
The
problem
comes,
is
the
we
can't
just
go
in
and
take
their
property?
We
have
to
pay
them
for
their
property.
If
we
don't
have
an
agreement
with
the
owner,
then
it
becomes
an
issue.
That's
going
to
be
decided
by
a
trial
court
after
a
jury
trial.
If
they
demand
one.
Usually
property
is
worth
what
a
willing
buyer
is
willing
to
pay
a
willing
seller.
E
However,
if
there
is
no
agreement,
you're
looking
at
fair
market
value-
and
that
is
not
going
to
be
decided
by
the
condemning
authority-
and
it's
not
going
to
be
decided
by
the
person
who
owns
the
property,
it
will
go
to
a
jury
trial
and
then
the
judge,
the
court
is
going
to
tell
us
what
we
have
to
pay
for
it.
And
now
we
are
the
owners
of
that
property.
Once
we
do
that
so
now
we
have
to
ensure
that
the
property
is
safe.
We
have
to
ensure
that
the
property
is
insured.
E
We
have
to
ensure
that
all
of
the
correct
corrections
are
made.
We
are,
we
are
taking
on
that
cost
that
responsibility
that
liability
of
that
property.
So
it's
not
something
that
we
should
kind
of
go
into
lightly.
There
are
other
ways
that
we
can
handle
the
properties,
and
we
do
do
that
with
the
zoning
department.
E
There
are
several
cases
right
now
that
are
in
court.
Typically,
what
happens
is
if
they
issue
a
citation,
and
we
are
enforcing
that.
Our
first
goal
is
to
get
compliance
with
the
property
owner
and
honestly,
I've
been
handling
them
since
about
march,
and
I
do
see
that
we
are
getting
compliance.
It
may
be
slow,
but
it
is,
it
is
happening
a
lot
of
times.
E
What
I
have
seen
happen
is
that
we're
talking
about
property
owners
who
are
experiencing
a
financial
hardship
or
the
owner
is
ill
and
unable
to
make
the
repairs
and
we're
waiting
for
family
members
to
help
them.
So
there's
many
reasons
why
these
properties
kind
of
turn
into
the
state
that
they
are
in
many
situations.
It
might
be
best
that
we
work
with
the
planning
department,
maybe
come
up
with
a
list
and
see
if
we
can't
handle
them
by
by
taking
them
to
court
and
kind
of
getting
their
compliance
going.
E
F
E
I
think
so
I
think
we
would
still
I
mean
if
you're
going
to
move
forward
on
an
eminent
domain,
you
have
to
find
the
owner.
You
have
to
serve
them
with
a
petition
to
get
them
into
court
if
the
owner
can't
be
found,
there's
other
ways
to
get
proper
service
under
the
statute.
But
ultimately
your
first
obligation
is
to
do
a
diligent
search
to
find
that
owner
and
then
make
all
reasonable
attempts
to
get
proper
notice
to
that
owner
before.
F
The
partnership
when
they
take
the
tax
sales
when
they're
going
to
set
it
up
for
the
tax
and
we
that
means
something
has
already
been
done,
I'm
thinking
that
has
removed
that,
because
in
a
tax
sale,
if
they
purchase
that
property,
then
I
think
the
county
goes
according
to
that
point.
They
can
before
they
change
title.
The
person
can
come
and
claim
the
property,
but
if
they
don't,
then
it
goes
to
a
new
owner.
So
that's
not
something
like
eminent
domain.
It
would
be.
E
F
That
and
then
the
next
question
is
because
I
one
of
the
properties-
and
I
wish
that
is
down,
but
I
do
know
the
individual
or
whatever,
that
owner
that
wanted
moments,
but
that
individu,
the
one
owner
is
dead
and
the
other
one
is
kind
of
alzheimer's.
So
that's
why
it's
not
there
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
a
letter,
something
that
could
be
sent.
I
don't
know
if
somebody's
taking
care
of
the
individual
or
what,
but
I'm
thinking
some
that
could
be
rectified.
D
F
G
You,
mr
chairman,
it
seems
like
there's
a
lot
of
different
things
that
could
be
going
on
with
each
of
these.
Almost
you
definitely
have
to
look
at
each
one
individually,
but
if
we're
trying
to
help
them,
maybe
looking
forward
to
possible
grants
that
we
actually
would
pay
someone
to
do
the
work
to
help
them
get
it
safe.
I
know
that
there's
other
situations
where
the
people
have
the
money
they're
just
not
doing
it.
G
A
H
H
D
D
F
D
It
appeared
to
be
a
a
yes,
it
was
a
barn
on
its
own
property.
It
was
in
pretty
bad
shape.
One
thing
we
did
not
include
on
this
list
was
accessory
structures,
so
if
it
there
there
are
several
barns
and
other
garages
and
accessory
structures
that
are
also
in
bad
shape,
but
they
have
a
house
associated
with
them,
and
so
we
did
not
look
at
accessory
structures
in
that
instance.
This
one
is
on
a
property
by
itself
and
it's
it's
it's
not
in
great
shape.
I
You
just
to
mention
that
that
if
things
are,
if,
if
the
board
wants
to
go
forward
with
things
like
this,
then
it
becomes
a
question
of
where
do
you
find
the
money
to
acquire
the
properties?
That's
really
knowing.
All
of
this
is
good
and
it's
important
and
understand
the
process.
But
then,
where
do
you
have
that
kind
of
money
to
acquire
these
properties
at
fair
market
value?
I
What
you're
talking
about
the
other
thing
is
is
don't
forget
about
the
land
bank,
so
that
could
be
a
and
it
should
be
a
law,
a
big
lever
in
this
whole
process,
because
if
it
is
in
tax
sale,
the
land
bank
can
acquire
those
and
then,
as
if
they're
part
of
a
rehab
deal
so
but
then
you
have
to
have
buyers
and
sellers
and
markets
and
all
of
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
it's
it's
it's
a
tool.
It's
a
valuable
tool,
but
fair
market
value
becomes
difficult.
D
F
Let's
probably
bring
me
up
to
another
question:
do
do
the
county
have
cdsbg
grants,
have
we
ever
applied
for
them?
For
those
slim
and
well,
I
won't
say
slimming
black
but
blighted
areas
to
basically
be
able
to
afford
hormones,
opportunity
to
restructure
or
re
invent
or
even
just
rebuild
their
particular
properties.
Do
we
have
any
see
the
spg
grant
money
in
that
particular
area.
D
I
The
we
do
have
some
ida
grants
that
have
been
put
into
the
land
bank,
those
are
for
residential
rehabs
and
those,
I
think,
was
160
000,
roughly
that's
just
sitting
there
waiting
for
the
that
to
to
happen,
but
I
do
not
and-
and
I
may
be
incorrect
and
if
then,
while
he's
gone,
but
I
don't
think
we're
eligible
for
community
development
block
grants.
I
think
those
are
only
municipalities.
I
I
may
be
wrong,
but
I
don't
the
reason.
I
think
that
is
because
of
the
way
that
the
arpa
funding
was
put
out.
Kankakees
was
due.
They
gave
their
allocation
via
the
cdbg
formula
and
not
us,
and
so
I'm
I'm
I'd
have
to
look
into
it,
but
I
don't
think
we're
eligible
because
we
don't
have
that.
Would
they
say
disparate
economic
situations
that
create
cdbg
eligibility
in
the
whole
county,
whereas
in
kankakee
they
definitely
qualify.
I
A
F
A
D
Kelly,
if
you
could
keep
going,
I've
got
another
one
right
behind
that.
Thank
you.
We've
had
recently
a
few
requests
for
roadside
stands.
Farm
stands
on
properties
in
our
r1
district.
I
know
of
at
least
three
here
in
the
last
few
months
and
all
three
of
them
we've
had
to
tell
them
that
that's
not
a
permitted
use
in
the
r1
district.
D
D
However,
you
know
our
one
district
is
for
single
single-family
residential,
but
back
in
1967,
when
the
our
first
zoning
ordinance
and
map
went
into
effect,
the
large
areas
of
kaneki
county
were
zoned,
r1,
single-family,
okay,
go
to
the
next
slide.
You
can
see
it
there.
The
yellow
is
the
r1
district.
D
These
are
large
areas.
Probably
three
quarters
of
pembroke
township
was
zoned
r1,
a
large
portion
of
aroma
well
over
half
of
limestone,
as
you
can
see,
there's
quite
a
bit
of
r1
zoning
out
there,
and
many
of
these
properties
are
still
used
for
rural
or
agricultural
purposes,
even
though
they
do
have
residential
zoning.
D
So
what
we
are
proposing
today-
and
I'm
asking
permission
to
take
this
through
the
public
hearing
process
through
the
zoning
board
of
appeals,
it
will
come
back
to
this
committee.
After
that
public
hearing,
I
have
a
proposed
ordinance,
which
I
believe
we
hand
it
out
to
everyone
it
pretty
much
mimics
the
ordinance
that
we
have
for
roadside
stands
in
the
a1
district.
D
D
A
F
Okay,
I
need
to
just
ask
the
question
so
that
we're
clear
we're
saying
for
many
use:
does
that
mean
that
they
need
to
permit?
Don't
need
to
permit?
I
know
it's,
they
don't
need
a
variance
at
that
point.
So
what
is
what
is
the
brief
narrative
or
the
definition
of
permitted
use
as
it
is
in
this
particular
in
the
context.