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Planning, Zoning & Agriculture Committee Meeting 7/21/2021 9:00 AM
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C
A
D
Thanks
good
morning,
everyone,
my
name
is
dave
barron,
I'm
an
attorney
and
I'm
representing
duncan
holmes,
who
is
an
applicant
on
a
zoning
case
that
you
have
before
you.
This
is
the
residential
conversion
of
the
former
state
hospital
administration
building
on
the
diversitech
campus.
I
was
here
last
month
on
behalf
of
the
company
as
well
to
present
our
proposal
and
to
speak
about
it
a
bit
since
we
last
spoke.
We
did
regroup,
we
modified
our
plans
in
order
to
address
some
of
the
issues
that
were
brought
up.
D
It
also
has
the
floor
plan
showing
the
three
floors
an
assembly
of
one
in
loft
units.
It
shows
also
features
of
a
fitness
center,
as
well
as
laundry
and
the
layout
of
the
individual
units
themselves.
We've
also
provided
a
number
of
photographs
that
are
included
as
exhibits,
really
to
depict
the
type
of
housing
that
we're
seeking
to
do
here.
D
D
That
means,
if
we're
going
to
have
25
units,
there
will
need
to
be
38
spaces
that
is
met
currently
with
the
number
of
existing
spaces
on
the
property
and
the
south.
Lot
that
we'd
be
purchasing
as
part
of
this
project
that
we
believe
is
going
to
alleviate
any
concerns
as
to
the
parking
issues
or
use
of
public
parking,
as
we
stated
before,
we'd
be
making
also
additional
amenities
so
that
the
dedicated
parking
assigned
parking
is
more
attractive
would
be
covered
so
that
it
would
be
used
as
opposed
to
any
sort
of
public
parking
being
used.
D
As
was
requested
at
the
last
committee
meeting,
the
development
team
did
reach
out
to
the
sheriff's
department
and
you'll
see
there
is
an
email
and
then
in
there
that
indicates
that
the
sheriff
has
no
issue
with
the
proposed
development.
Also,
we
had
testified
previously
at
the
zba
hearing.
Then
in
the
last
week
and
a
half
there
was
actually
a
break-in
at
this
location
at
diversitech.
It's
our
view
that
by
having
an
occupied
building
you're
much
less
likely
to
see
any
continued
break-ins
in
this
location.
D
D
Also
before
it
was
a
bank
headquarters.
It
was
the
state
hospital
headquarters
when
the
hospital
was
being
used
in
its
prime.
At
that
point,
across
the
entire
diversitech
campus,
there
were
8
300
patients
and
2
700
employees,
and
at
that
point
there
were
no
back
roads.
So
this
is
an
area
that
is
has
previously
accommodated
a
considerable
number
of
people,
and
we
think
that
the
proposed
residential
reconversion
will
be
able
to
accommodate
that
very
easily.
D
A
A
Okay,
everyone
received
the
minutes
in
your
packets
and
online.
Does
anyone
have
any
additions,
deletions
or
corrections
that
need
to
be
made?
If
not,
I
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
mr
miller,
mr
ekkoff
second
by
mr
ekkoff,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye.
Thank
you,
okay
building
report.
Mr
skimmerhorn
is
here
to
give
us
our
building
report
pretty
busy
month.
E
Good
morning,
the
monthly
building
report
for
june
2021,
we
had
zero
new
houses,
107
total
permits,
with
a
valuation
of
7
million
195
000
brought
in
total
revenue
of
45
906
dollars.
That
is
up
from
last
year.
In
june
last
year,
in
june,
we
brought
in
37
438
dollars
with
a
total
of
105
permits,
so
both
permits
and
revenue
were
up
this
year.
E
A
All
any
questions
on
that
any
questions
from
anybody
on
the
building
report
pretty
busy
month,
though
yes
do
we
have
to.
We
don't
have
to
approve
that.
Do
we
kelly?
Yes,
we
have
to
vote
on
it.
Okay,
video
motion
to
prove
it:
okay,
mr
swanson,
miss
peters.
Second,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye.
Thank
you.
A
Okay.
Next
up
is
zoning
case
zba
case
2103
requests
for
rezoning
from
i2
general
industrial
district
to
r2,
high
density,
residential
district,
special
use,
permit
number,
six
and
five
variances
lot:
size
density,
maximum
floor
area,
front
setback
and
building
height
on
a
parcel
generally
situated
in
section
26
of
mantino
township.
The
petitioners
are
midland
state
bank,
property
owner
and
duncan
homes
incorporated
is
the
app
applicant.
E
Okay,
mr
baron
gave
a
fairly
good
overview
a
few
moments
ago,
so
I
won't
repeat
a
lot
of
that.
I
will
draw
your
attention
to
a
few
things.
First
of
all,
everyone's
familiar
with
the
property,
it's
in
diversitech
campus
with
the
red
box
around
it
there
it's
the
first
building,
you
see
as
you
come
up
the
entrance
from
the
east.
E
They
also
have
the
box
in
blue,
which
is
a
partially
vacant
lot,
with
a
parking
lot
on,
and
that
would
provide
the
parking
area
for
this
facility.
I
believe
there's
26
parking
spaces
there
and
12
of
them
on
the
actual
red
lot,
equaling
about
36
parking
spaces
and,
as
mr
barron
did
allude
to
earlier,
that
meets
the
requirements
of
our
ordinance
for
the
number
of
parking
spaces
required
for
a
25-unit
building,
with
a
square
footage
of
each
apartment
less
than
800
square
feet.
E
First
of
all,
there
is
a
email
from
the
sheriff
mike
downey
stating
the
kanke
county
sheriff's
office
has
no
issues
with
this
case.
At
the
previous
meeting,
we
did
discuss
the
mantino
township
letter
and
the
economic
alliance
letter.
Those
are
also
in
your
packet
if
you'd
like
to
read
those,
but
if
you
go
to
exhibit
e,
that
is
the
floor
plan
done
by,
I
believe,
cole,
jarvis,
architect,
architecture
that
shows
the
generalized
layout.
E
E
E
A
G
E
E
E
One
thing
one
thing
probably
to
note,
since
you
brought
that
up,
if
you
look
at
the
aerial
photo
up
there,
this
is
kind
of
in
the
center
of
the
residential
area
of
the
diversitech
campus.
You
can
see
that
there's
houses
to
the
north
south,
those
are
all
res
all
those
buildings
for
the
most
part,
except
for
that
one
directly.
North
are
residential
buildings.
Those
are
all
residential
homes.
E
Okay,
so
it's
not
really
in
the
industrial
part
of
that.
If
you
recall,
diverse
tech
campus
is
a
pud
that
allows
commercial,
residential
and
industrial.
So
there
is
a
mixed
use.
Development,
and
this
this
portion
here
near
the
entrance,
is,
has
mainly
developed
into
the
residential
portion.
Okay,
okay,.
H
E
To
take
you
to
exhibit
f,
the
applicants
gave
this
to
the
zoning
board
monday
night,
and
these
are
conceptual
photos
of
what
the
interiors
of
the
apartments
could
look
like.
There's
two
or
three
pages
here.
These
are
not
the
actual
ones
of
this
particular
structure.
This
is
the
type
of
look
that
they
are
going
for
that,
like
I
said,
this
is
conceptual.
E
E
A
E
I
E
I
E
I
E
I
E
E
There
was
some
comments
that
about
traffic,
I
nobody
has
presented
a
traffic
study
or
traffic
counts
to
show
whether
that
would
be
needed
or
not
needed.
Okay,
okay,
I
can
tell
you
as
far
from
a
traffic
standpoint,
it
was
testified
that
when
it
was
a
bank
there
was
about
85
employees
per
day
working
at
the
bank
and
we're
looking
at
now
about
with
two
people
living
in
each
apartment,
50
residents,
so
it
should
be
less
traffic
than
the
bank
was
now
of
course
different
times
a
day,
possibly
but
going
the
other
way.
F
Yeah,
could
you
give
me,
or
do
you
have
any
clear
that
I
I'm
going
to
probably
figure
that
these
are
not
going
to
be
sectioning
apartments
based
upon
the
cost,
but
on
the
rent,
but
the
the
tax
base
of
going
from
a
I
two
to
a
hour
to
is
there
any
was?
Is
there
an
increased
decrease
in
in
the
tax
base
that
we
know
of.
E
E
If
you
improve
a
building,
then
the
val
that
value
of
that
improvement
does
affect
your
tax
bill,
because
your
tax
bill
is
based
on
the
value
of
the
building.
That's
about
all,
I
could
say
on
that
what
their
actual
tax
bill
would
be,
whether
it
be
higher
or
lower.
I
couldn't
tell
you,
okay,
mrs
peters,.
J
H
Is
there
been
any
studies
on
the
effects
of
that,
and
I
understand
that
the
that
actually,
in
that
area,
the
township
is
the
one
that
is
responsible
for
maintaining,
that
or
or
whatever,
and
that
they
had
an
objection
over
it
because
of
the
simple
fact
that
the
roadways
were
not
actually
wide
enough
for
residential
use
so
putting
this
in,
even
though
it's
less
traffic
that
you
claim
you're
going
to
originally
have
from
the
original
diagram.
It's
still.
This
is
changing
to
a
residential
area.
H
E
E
K
E
C
E
E
There
was
two
hearings,
one
the
first
one
on
june
14th,
mr
ron
meyer
who's,
the
mantino
township
commissioner.
He
spoke
about
issues
that
he
perceives
with
residents
crossing
the
street
to
access
parking.
The
zoning
board
listened
to
him
and
that's
how
the
crosswalk
condition
was
placed
onto
the
approval
mark
stevenson.
E
E
E
He
felt
that
when
the
diversity
campus
was
first
put
together
that
residential
uses
were
not
supposed
to
be
allowed
there.
I
could
find
no
evidence
of
that.
In
fact,
the
the
plan
for
diverse
tech
campus
does
call
for
residential
users.
So
then,
the
public
hearing
on
june
19th
last
monday
ron
meyer
spoke
again.
E
E
E
There
was
some
discussion
on
fire
and
ambulance
access,
and
the
zoning
board
did
not
believe
that
that
was
an
issue
since
there
is
the
drive,
the
building
is
surrounded
by
roads
and
the
driveway
for
the
parking
area
that
they
believe.
There
was
plenty
of
access
for
fire
and
ambulance,
liz
stevenson,
she's
a
nearby
business
owner,
and
she
stated
that
diversetech
has
industrial
and
commercial
uses,
section,
8,
housing,
drug
rehabilitation
clinic
and
indian
oaks
academy,
and
she
questioned
whether
the
high-end
apartments
would
be
success.
E
She
also
stated
she
believed
that
the
rent
per
month
would
not
be
viable
in
the
market
and
she
is
concerned.
The
project
will
become
section.
8
housing
mike
hazman,
a
nearby
property
owner,
supports
the
concept
and
believes
the
building
should
be
residential
and
not
commercial
as
a
landlord
of
over
83
units.
E
E
In
addition
to
that,
as
I
said,
we
have
exhibit
a
is
the
is
a
letter
from
mantino
township.
That's
in
your
packet,
exhibit
b
is
a
letter
from
the
act
of
tim
nugent
at
the
economic
alliance
of
kankakee
county
in
support
of
the
project,
and
we
have
a
email
from
a
donald
and
kim
christensen
which
also
lived
in
the
neighborhood
near
it,
stating
that
they
are
in
favor
of
the
project.
E
E
K
E
K
E
E
There
are,
I
believe,
it's
either
25
or
26
parking
spaces
there,
according
to
our
ordinance
for
par
apartments
that
are
less
than
800
square
feet.
You
need
one
and
a
half
parking
spaces
per
apartment,
so
that
would
require,
I
think,
35
parking
spaces,
so
they
already
have
adequate
parking
spaces
to
meet
the
needs
that
parcel
on
the
south
is
has
a
lot
of
vacant
area,
so
there
is
room
to
expand
parking
area
there
too,
as
well.
E
E
Our
standards,
it
yes,
it
meets
our
standards
correct.
I
believe
the
part
of
the
concerns
with
the
township
is,
if
you
look
to
the
west
across
the
street
there
there
are
public
parking
spaces
there
and
I
think
there's
some
concern
that
the
residents
of
this
would
be
taking
up
those
park.
Those
public
parking
spaces,
instead
of
using
the
parking
lots,
there's
on-road
parking
space,
public
parking
spaces
in
the
area.
H
E
Presumably
it's
up
to
code,
that
is,
that
is
an
issue
for
karma
and
aqua
illinois
right.
They
maintain
their
own
systems,
so
the
applicant
will
have
to
be
in
discussions
with
them
as
to
whether
they
have
the
proper
capacity
there
and
if
not,
what
needs
to
be
done
to
improve
that
capacity.
So
that
is
a
separate
negotiation
between
those
entities
in
the
developer.
E
It
is
quite
conceivable
that
zoning
and
that's
what
we're
talking
about
today
is
just
zoning.
Is
this
building
suitable
for
this
use
that
they
could
get
zoning
and
maybe
still
not
be
able
to
do
the
project
because
of
some
other
issue,
such
as
sewer
capacity
or
something
of
that
nature,
that
that's
certainly
a
possibility?
L
E
Actually,
our
ordinance
requires
when
you
have
remote
parking.
Not
only
do
they
have
to
own
both
lots.
The
parking
lot
must
have
a
deed
restriction
put
on
it,
that
it
cannot
be
sold
without
being
sold
with
the
other
lot,
so
they
must
always
be
tied
together.
Okay,
thank
you
thanks
and
in
your
in
the
application.
That
paperwork
is
provided.
F
Okay,
so
it
looks
like
this
is
a
I
guess,
a
tri-residential
area,
because
it
deals
with
the
industrial
and
a
little
commercial
and
and
the
residential
I'm
looking
at.
What's
around
it,
that's
for
the
purpose
of
safety.
We
have
section
8
housing,
a
drug
rehabilitation
clinic,
and
then
we
have
indian
oaks.
F
Is
this
justified
in
this
particular
area?
Is
it
suitable
for
this?
You
know
because
he's
saying
high-end,
it
looks
like
you're
saying
this
individual
and
is
it
the
mayoral
or
I
think
mike
hayes
man
said,
there's
a
lot
of
requests
for
it,
but
is
it?
Is
this
I
guess
suitable
given?
What's
around
it
section,
8
is
not
a
problem
because
that's
just
simply
saying
they're
providing
it
for
the
marginal
low
income,
but
the
with
indian
oaks
and
some
other
I
mean
in
the
rehab
there.
A
A
E
F
E
E
E
A
A
A
Yes,
yes,
the
value
of
the
building
is
obviously
going
to
increase.
I
believe,
because
individual
units
that
are
going
to
be
inside
so
that's
was
one
of
my
main
concerns
was
the
the
the
impact
of
the
cost
to
the
county
of
us.
Getting
this
building
permit
fees
or
would
be
very
high,
though
you
got
to
guess
on
what
the
fees.
E
A
So
but
I
mean
guessing
with
all
the
buildings
that
have
been
around:
we
really
don't
have,
but
one
or
two
buildings
in
the
county
that
are
even
like
that.
Do
we,
I
don't
believe
so
that
I
can
think
of.
There's
there's
one
over
here
by
57.
It's
probably
got.
I
don't
know
how
many
units
in
there
and
then
usually
we
got
six
flats
four
flats.
E
By
size
there
are
a
few,
there
are
one
by
meta
view
and
there's
definitely
the
one
out
here
by
the
interstate,
but
there's
a
lot
of
unique
aspects
to
this.
We
do
not
have
another
building
like
this
in
the
county,
with
the
historic
architecture
that
this
one
has
with
the
unique
location.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
unique
aspects
to
this
project.
A
K
I
I
will
just
say
that
that
was
my
big
concern
is
that
you
almost
can't
give
away
office
space
these
days.
I
know
and
that's
going
to
continue
as
more
people
work
from
home
yeah.
We
talk
about
highest
and
best
use.
This
is
the
highest
and
best
use
of
a
property
that
will
probably
just
sit
there.
Yeah
and
there'll
be
no
taxes
because
it
will
go
to
tax
sale
and
all
that
other
stuff
down
the
road.
K
So
I
just
want
everybody
to
consider
that,
but
we
don't
necessarily
can't
direct
people,
the
type
of
investment
to
make
you
can
decide
whether
it's
appropriate
but
they're,
risking
their
own
money
on
this
development,
we're
not
risking
ours,
and
if
not
this,
and
what's
the
other
idea
that
you
might
have
and
then
who's
going
to
invest
in
it
yeah.
So
that's
my
only
question.
A
And
the
other
thing
that
dell
and
I
had
talked
about
was
I
I
had
concerns
about
them.
You
know
building
one
unit
wait
until
they
ran
it
out
and
then
build
another
one.
You
know,
but
he
he
was
saying
that
the
building
department
would
control
all
that
type
of
thing.
It
would
be
safety
aspects
involved
in
it,
and
things
like
that,
so
it
has
to
go
from
our
department
over
to
building
department
and
then
they
can
handle
it
from
there
after
it
goes
to
county
board
next
month.
Right
right,
though,.
F
Not
a
question
but
because
society
is
going
towards
this
work
at
home
more
so,
especially
at
the
pandemic.
I'm
looking
at
chicken
and
some
other
places
that
are
decreasing
now,
individuals
work
at
home.
I
believe
the
applicants
are
being
proactive
in
a
pilot
project,
and
so
I
have
no
objections
as
long
as
the
community
doesn't
and
the
county
board
member
that
represents
that
area.
Doesn't
you
know
that's
again,
that's
their
money
and
if
they
believe
that
they
can
make
it
work,
then
I'm
kind
of
like
you,
I
don't.
F
G
A
Okay,
okay,
we're
gonna!
Do
that!
Okay!
Right
now,
I
guess
I'll
entertain
a
motion
to
prove
or
deny
this
request.
Miss
bryant
and
first
colton
eckhart
with
the
second
yeah
approved
yeah
to
approve
yeah.
Sorry,
I
thought
I
said
that:
okay,
okay,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
opposed
same
sign.
Okay
motion
carries.
A
E
Do
not
have
a
picture
for
this.
The
decommissioning
plan
is
is
in
your
packet.
It
is
very
similar
to
all
the
decommissioning
plans
you've
seen
before
you.
This
is
for
the
kanke2
solar
farm,
which
is
it
says,
bourbon
a
illinois
which
is
the
address,
but
it's
actually
in
rockville
township
over
near
the
substation
out
on
career
center
road.
It
would
be
just
west
of
that.
E
A
Okay,
when
you
have
any
questions
for
mr
skimmerhorn
on
that,
no
okay,
so
barry-
and
I
guess
we'll-
have
a
motion
to
approve
that.
Okay,
mr
let's
see
here
number
ten
way,
I
was
looking
for
number
ten,
mr
swanson.
First
yeah!
Oh,
you
have
a
question:
no
okay,
first,
we'll
get
a
second,
please!
Okay,
mr
collins,
all
in
favor
say
aye
aye,
post
same
sign.
A
E
Okay,
mr
eckhoff
last
meeting
asked
that
I
give
a
presentation
on
the
minimum
lot
size
for
residences
in
the
a1
district.
I'm
gonna
back
up
and
do
a
little
history
pre-1967.
There
was
no
minimum
lot
sizes
anywhere
in
the
county
because
we
did
not
have
a
zoning
ordinance
that
dictated
that
our
zoning
ordinance
was
approved.
First
one
was
march
21st
1967.
E
Then,
in
september,
on
september,
8th
you
can
go
to
the
next
one.
Please
1981.
There
was
a
large
comprehensive
amendment
to
the
zoning
ordinance.
At
that
time
there
was
no
changes
to
the
a1
district
lot
size
in
1996.
We
had
another
comprehensive
amendment
to
the
zoning
ordinance,
and
that
is
when
the
minimum
lot
size
was
changed
was
raised
to
20
acres
with
330
feet
of
width,
which
is
what
we
currently
have
today.
E
There
was
a
lot
go
to
the
next
one.
Please
there's
a
lot
of
factors
that
went
into
that
decision
to
increase
the
lots,
the
size
of
lots
for
homes
in
the
a1
district,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
research
and
a
lot
of
studies
that
were
gone
through
that
so
they
did,
it
was
not
just
arbitrarily
raised.
It
was
about
a
two
year
review
period
that
that
amendment
to
the
ordinance
went
through.
Some
of
the
reasons
for
the
increase
was
encroachment
of
non-farm
residents
into
the
agricultural
areas.
E
There
was
a
a
large
problem
actually
throughout
the
entire
state
at
that
time,
which
we
still
have
some
of
it,
where
non-farm
residences
would
complain
about
farming
practices,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
conflicts
going
on
between
residential
use
versus
farm
use
and
the
the
board
at
the
time
realized
that
we
needed
to
do
something
to
help
protect
our
farmland
and
to
allow
our
farmers
to
do
their
jobs
without
without
complaint,
and
that's
one
reason
that
the
lot
size
raised.
I
see,
conflicts
between
farmers
and
non-farmers
were
happening
fairly
frequently
next
well.
E
Another
one
was
the
rapid
conversion
of
farmland.
There
were
large
areas
that
were
being
divided
into
five
acre
tracts
for
housing.
The
plaid
act,
the
illinois
plateau,
which
governs
subdivision
of
land
in
illinois,
has
the
minimum
requirement
of
five
acre
a
five
acre
minimum.
So
if
you
want
to
divide
your
property
into
five
acre
tracts
and
you're,
not
creating
any
roads
or
easement
of
access,
you
do
not
have
to
have
any
governmental
review
on
it.
There
is
no
permission
that
needs
to
be
needs
to
happen.
You
can
just
do
it.
E
E
E
E
So
you
can
see
how
schools
just
strip
off
five
acres
along
the
township
road
didn't
have
to
make
any
improvements
to
the
road,
because
it's
just
a
land
division,
not
a
subdivision
where
we
can
require
that
they
improve
the
road,
widen
the
road
and
and
do
things
like
that
divisions
like
this,
the
you
know
our
subdivision
process
when
we
have
a
subdivision
it
get.
The
plat
goes
out
to
the
school
district
fire
district
police
district,
any
municipalities,
the
township.
E
All
of
them
get
to
comment
on
it
when
development
like
this
occurs,
none
of
that
gets
to
happen
next
now.
At
that
time,
the
county
board
did
recognize
that
there
is
still
a
need
and
a
desire
for
people
to
want
to
live
on
small
lots
in
the
rural
areas.
So
what
they
did
to
counteract
as
kind
of
a
relief
valve
to
the
20
acre
is
that
they
created
the
a2
district
and
the
rural
estate
districts.
A2
district
is
the
agricultural
estate
district
and
the
real
estate
district.
E
The
real
difference
between
the
two,
the
a2
district,
allows
two
to
15
acres
with
250
feet
of
frontage.
That's
only
available
outside
the
extraterre
extra
territorial
jurisdiction
of
a
municipality
which
means
outside
the
mile
and
a
half
the
rural
estate
district.
I
believe,
based
on
what
I
was
able
to
research,
was
meant
to
only
occur
inside
the
mile
and
a
half
which
allowed
smaller
lot
size
of
one
acre
with
150
feet
of
frontage,
but
that
language
never
made
it
into
the
ordinance.
E
So
technically
the
way
our
ordinance
reads,
you
could
get
that
anywhere
in
the
county.
So
if
you
want
to
live
on
smaller
acreage
than
20
acres
in
the
rural
area,
you
can
apply
for
one
of
these
categories.
If
you
would
like
to
do
so,
and
by
doing
so,
the
zoning
board
this
board,
the
county
board,
gets
to
review
the
proposal
and
take
into
consideration
the
impacts
of
it
in
that
particular
area.
E
A
G
A
I
really
don't.
I
I'd
have
to
really
look
back
and
think,
but
in
my
head
I
don't
really
remember
any
of
them
being
turned
down,
but
what
they
would
do
was
they
would
come
in
with
their
daughter
sitting
there
and
go.
She
wants
to
build
a
house
there,
but
what
and
they
would
change
the
zoning
zoning
will
all
get
voted
for
it,
but
that
lock
could
have
been
sold
the
next
day
to
somebody
else.
After
the
zoning
was
approved
to
residential
or
a1,
the
farmer
could
have
sold
it
to
somebody
else.
A
The
next
day-
and
they
don't-
I
don't-
know
the
value
of
the
property-
probably
doubles
or
triples
when
it
goes
from
farm
ground
to
a
rural
state.
I
don't
know
andy,
do
you
know
the
numbers
off
the
top
of
your
head?
No,
okay,
and
my
only
concern
with
this-
is
that
the
theory
when
you
read
this
thing
is
that
the
theory
is
to
say
farm
ground
and
preserve
agriculture
in
the
county.
A
A
A
I
think
that
there
would
be
a
demand
for
a
state
type
housing
out
there
and
out
in
the
county,
and
if
you
make
a
guy,
buy
20
acres
of
ground.
They
look
at
that
in
the
ordinance
they
go.
Oh
no!
We
don't
want
to
do
that.
Oh
no!
We
don't
want
to
go
through
the
zoning
process.
Oh
no!
We
don't
want
to
do
this,
and
people
don't
come
here
and
build
that
way.
A
The
rumors
out
that
you
can't
build
unless
you
buy
20
acres
and
then
you
got
to
get
somebody
to
farm
the
rest
of
it
and
you
mow
the
rest
of
it.
What's
the
purpose
of
that,
then
you
know
so
I
mean
if
you
buy
a
five-acre
track,
you
can
have
something
get
the
neighbor
or
the
next-door
neighbor
to
farm
some
of
it
for
you,
because
nobody
wants
to
mow
five
acres.
I
don't
think
I
see
places
out
there
that
do
so.
A
A
Time
somebody
comes
in
to
change
one
of
these
that
cost
us
money
time,
dells
time
here
at
night
until
8
o'clock
at
night
you
know
6
8,
6,
30,
7
o'clock,
8
o'clock.
Some
of
the
meetings
were
short
and
quick,
but
it
seems
like
there
was
a
lot
of
people
out
there
that
had
bought
property,
that
realtors
didn't
tell
them
what
the
property
was
zone
and
they
went
ahead
and
bought
it
and
they
didn't
even
know
so.
We
got
properties
around
that
are
like
that.
A
E
A
We
also
know
that
in
our
county
we
have
areas
of
extreme
beauty,
I
mean
there's
places
you
can
go
and
walk
out
and
there's
woods
all
along
creeks
and
streams,
and
you
know
there's
people
that
love
to
you
know.
10
people
get
together
and
build
three
acre
lots
or
whatever
to
put
farm
ground
on.
But
you
know
that's
a
that's.
A
F
I
think,
as
we're
going
as
we
begin
to
grow
in
our
proximity
to
chicago
becomes
more
of
a
attractive
site
because
of
the
openness
versus
the
condicity
and
given
the
the
the
cost
of
living
in
places
like
chicago
or
other
areas
up
north.
When
you
can
look
at
owning
your
own
home
and
when
you
calculate
the
cost
of
what
you
paid
there
versus.
What
you
could
get
here
is
more
of
a
cost
savings
to
them
and
there's
also
the
opportunity
as
they're,
moving
from
being
a
single
to
moving
more
family
oriented.
F
You
have
open
air
open
land
for
the
kids
to
kind
of
grow
versus
all
the
conditioning
of
being
in
the
city.
It
just
makes
the
area
more
attractive
because
chicago
doesn't
have
that
to
offer
you're
not
going
to
just
go
in
and
say.
I
want
two
acres
in
chicago
and
I
think
you're
going
to
pick
what
you're
going
to
get
in
kankakee
for.
A
But
there's
real
quick
on
that.
There's
a
couple
areas
that
are
done
that
way
in
will
county
where
there's
you
know
several
homes
and
they
have
little
park
areas
and
things
like
that
too,
even
though
they
have
all
the
space,
so
it
could
go
a
long
way.
So
I
I
just
think
it's
something
to
talk
about.
We
got
mr
miller
sitting
here.
They
can
answer
any
questions.
Anybody
has
about
anything
to
do
with
farming
and
most
you
guys
can
too
a
few
other
guys
can
too
so.
Okay,
no
barring
no
more
questions.
A
N
Hi
we're
just
asking
for
authority
for
the
chairman
county
board
chairman
to
sign
an
intergradual
agreement
with
the
village
of
aroma
park,
so
that
the
key
county,
historic
preservation
commission,
is
able
to
landmark
properties
within
their
jurisdiction,
and
you
have
in
your
packets
that
the
village
has
agreed
and
they
have
signed
their
part.
So
now,
I'm
just
bringing
it
to
you
guys
for
approval.
G
N
It
would
allow
the
kinky
county
historic
preservation,
commission
that
if
they
get
an
application
for
a
property
structure
within
the
village
limits
to
be
able
to
hear
the
case,
recommend
whether
they
land
market
or
not,
and
then
they
would
go
to
the
village
of
roman
park
first
for
their
approval
before
they
would
bring
it
to
county
board
for
their
approval
to
nominate
it
as
a
landmark
status.
Okay,.
A
A
New
business,
I
had
a
couple
questions
about
a
couple
properties
in
my
district.
Again
I
keep
you
know
we
keep
coming
up
and
keep
spinning
our
wheels.
So
I
don't
know:
doug
can
get
some
kind
of
update
on
county
line
road
and
the
house
that's
sitting
there.
That's
been
half
burned
down
for
three
four
years,
four
or
five
years
miss
peter
I'm,
probably
about
five.
E
E
A
E
I'm
talking
about
this
one
or
in
general,
in
general,
in
general,
when
we
find
a
property,
the
you
know,
our
code
enforcement
people
send
out
the
certified
letters
giving
them
30
days
to
correct
the
problem.
That
is
standard.
It
almost
never
happens
in
that
time
frame
because
there's
extensions,
giving
given
and
generally
speaking
the
letter
gets
the
negotiations
and
the
discussions
occurring.
So
it
usually
does
not
get
done
in
the
30
days,
but
as
long
as
they
are
working
with
us,
we
would
be
happy
to
give
them
an
extension.
Okay,.
A
A
Someone
is
living
in
the
residence
there
now
in
the
house,
so
that
helps
out
and
it's
not
sitting
out
there
abandoned.
So
that's
actually
a
separate
piece
of
property,
separate
piece
of
property.
It's
like
three
properties
right
is
that
it's
there,
three
okay
and
the
other
thing
I
had
is
the
one
on
ten
thousand,
the
yellow
house
there.
They
keep
knocking
the
back
door
down
and
kicking
that
in,
and
I
keep
running
into
people
and
they
keep
telling
me
about
it
and
we
keep
telling
them.
A
I
keep
telling
them
we're
doing
what
we
can,
but
there's
got
to
be
something
more
that
we
can
do
to
make
something
happen
there.
I
know
there's
people
around
that
are
interested
in
buying
it
because
of
its
location,
so
it
doesn't
have
to
sit
there
like
that.
It's
I
don't
know
is
that
something
else
we
have
to
file
paperwork
on
or
do
something
about,
and
I
know
nancy
was
here
our
state's
attorney
and
she
had
got
on
it
a
little
bit
a
couple
years
ago.
A
A
F
But
it
is
I
I
was
in
another
county
like
markham
and
some
of
the
ones
up
north
and
I'm
saying
that
they
have
like
a
traffic
court
where
individuals
are
able
to
come
in,
say
what
they
want
to
do
whatever,
and
I
was
looking.
I
know
we
need
we're.
Looking
for
space,
I
know
as
other
stuff
was
turned
down,
but
what
would
be
the
feasibility
of
looking
at
maybe
purging
that
since
that
went
for
577
or
where
or
could
the
county
ever
just
use
that
additional
space?
J
A
It
does
help,
but
I'm
on
the
committee
with
the
funds
from
the
covet
funds
for
the
courts
and
we're
looking
at
that
type
of
stuff
there
right
andy,
that's
kind
of
that's
the
direction,
we're
heading
to
try
to
we
gotta
we
gotta
dislodge
the
somehow.
We
gotta
help
the
courts
get
out
of
the
jam
they're
in
with
the
traffic
with
the
amount
of
people
they
have
in
the
building
over
there.
So
we're
definitely
working
on
that
one.
K
K
Planning
and
zoning
so,
but
you
know
that
really
falls
under
the
courts.
Okay,
that's
their
their
call,
and
I
would
say
that
looking
to
move
a
courthouse
courtroom
out
of
the
city
of
kankakee
in
the
proximity,
the
courthouse
is
not
something
that
that's
going
to
be
received
very
well,
because
then
you
have
to
have
duplication
of
jobs
and
services
and
travel
times,
and
where
do
they
go
to
pay
the
bill?
K
It
actually
costs
you
a
lot
more
money.
If
you
were
to
do
it
closer
to
the
the
current
situation
that
you
have
at
the
courthouse,
you're
still
taking
advantage
of
the
shared
services,
so
the
idea
is
not
it's
actually
spot
on,
but
it's
just
the
location
and
really
the
overpriced
nature
of
those
properties,
because
that's
still
way
too
much
money
to
pay
for
those
properties.
In
my
opinion,
it's
just
a
box.
K
And
yeah
well
yeah,
but
what
I'm
getting
at
yeah?
That's
because
actually
our
employee
was
the
one
who
was
in
charge
of
that
project
to
sell
them
off
up
in
matson.
So
I
I
will
say
that
that's
a
very,
very
good
idea
and
it's
very
applicable
and
it
would
save
us
money
in
the
long
run,
to
have
those
operations
and
there's
other
reasons
beyond
just
traffic
court
to
do
something
like
that.
So
just
throwing
it
out
there.
A
K
K
So
if
we
do
want
to
prioritize
if
we
can
get
that
for
the
next
meeting
or
the
following
one,
because
obviously
it's
not,
as
I
say,
burning
a
hole,
but
you
know
it's:
we
should
get
our
arms
around
what
we've
got
around
the
county,
because
you
know
then
the
del
can
explain,
but
we
have
to.
We
would
have
to
buy
that
property
for
market
price
and
then
pay
to
have
a
tour
down.
K
Okay.
So
that's
not
just
as
easy
as
saying
go,
knock
the
building
down
yeah.
So
if
it's
you
know
or
not,
market
price,
it's
really
what
what
the
owner
says.
It
is,
you
know
so,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
legal
stuff
involved
and
we
went
through
that
with
nancy.
Excuse.
Me
judge
nicholson
in
the
past,
so
I
just
want
to
mention
that
and
we
can
go
through
this
when
the
time
comes.
I.
E
A
If
you
want
people
to
come
down
here
and
buy
a
nice
house
or
build
a
nice
house
or
move
their
communities
here
to
increase
the
tax
base
and
revenue
for
the
area,
which
is
I
mean,
I
don't
like
to
think
of
things
that
way,
but
it's
nice
to
have
people
move
and
build
nice
things,
and
if
they
see
that
house-
or
they
see
other
things
when
they
come
through
here,
they're
not
going
to
they're
not
going
to
want
to
do
it.
So
I'd
like
to
see
us
take
care
of
that.