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Planning, Zoning & Agriculture Committee Meeting 12/20/2017 9:00 AM
B
B
A
You
we'll
go
now
to
public
comment
and
and
just
for
your
information,
we
have
no
application
for
zoning
on
a
solar
farm,
and
when
that
takes
place
there
will
be
public
hearings
and
where
information
can
be
gathered
and
people
can
make
comment
at
that
time
we
will
have
public
comment
and
I
have
seven
of
them.
We
allow
15
minutes
so
about
two
minutes
and
I'll
hit
the
gavel
and
to
keep
it
moving.
If
that's
understood,
okay
and
I
I
will
go
through
them
in
the
order
they've
been
received,
so
judge
ones
Minh.
C
We're
here
myself
and
many
of
my
neighbors,
and
this
is
just
a
small
contingent
of
the
people
that
have
joined
together
to
start
to
discuss
this
issue.
We've
had
sent
to
us
a
proposal
it
hasn't
been
filed
in
your
offices.
I
realize
that,
but
it
is
massive
430
acres
we
live
out
in
a
rural
community
to
have
something
like
that.
Be
plopped
in
the
middle
of
us
is
going
to
completely
change
the
character
of
the
community
in
which
we
live.
C
We
have
concerns
that,
even
though
I
know
you
have
an
ordinance
in
place,
the
fact
that
they
propose
something
that
they
feel
emboldened
enough
to
include
placement
of
solar
panels
that
would
almost
circle
over
half
of
the
residents
right
outside
their
residence.
There's
something
wrong
with
the
ordinance
something
needs
to
be
looked
at
I
mean
we
are
residents
that
have
been
out
here
for
years,
basically
providing
a
tax
base
to
the
county.
We
feel
that
we
need
your
protection
to
look
after
our
interests.
We
realized
you
have
an
ordinance
there's
a
process.
C
We
have
some
concerns
about
the
fact
that
it's
going
to
have
an
impact
on
the
valuation
of
our
property
when
all
of
a
sudden
you've
got
430
acres,
that
changes
from
open
area
to
basically
fence
and
glass
panels
and
structures,
you're,
basically
taking
our
rural
setting
and
converting
it
over
into
a
commercial
industrial
type
of
setting,
and
that
causes
us
great
concern.
I.
Thank
you
for
the
time.
Thank.
D
D
D
I
think,
there's
a
lot
better
places
that
we
can
put
these
solar
farms
I'm,
not
against
solar-powered,
renewable
energy,
but
we've
got
all
kinds
of
brownfield
areas
around
the
county,
I'll
point
out
the
old
Grover
plant
I'll
point
out
the
old
Gould
battery
plant.
We've
got
commercial
properties.
You
know
Walmart
Northfield,
Square
Mall.
Why
don't
we
look
at
putting
these
solar
farms
on
those
ropes?
Maybe
even
over
the
parking
lots
they
do
that
a
lot
in
Europe
they
put
solar
farms
over
partial
odds.
D
If
people
who
park
there
gets
Park
in
the
shade
or
out
of
the
rain
and
bad
weather
instead
of
converting
valuable
farmland
over
to
these
solar
panels,
and
it's
a
40-year
lease,
it's
gonna
completely
destroy
the
the
soil
quality
underneath
these
solar
farms,
because
all
they're
spraying
herbicides
on
them
to
keep
the
weeds
down
in
40
years.
If
they
rip
the
panels
out
and
I
have
concerns
that
they'll
actually
rip
the
panels
out
in
40
years
that
soils
not
going
to
be
worth
anything
can't
farm
on
it
again
now
destroyed
it.
D
E
F
Hello,
I'm,
Jerry,
gray
and
I'm,
one
of
the
owners
of
precision,
piping
and
I
live
in
this
area,
where
the
solar
panels
are
gonna,
be
adjacent
to
our
property
and
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
moved
out
there
was
to
get
away
from
being
in
the
city
and
hustle,
and
bustle
and
I
sent
a
letter
to
all
the
board
members
and
I
emailed
them
to
you.
That's
on
a
personal
level
and
I
realized
that
the
personal
level
normally
isn't
what's
in
play
here.
F
You
know
and
I
understand
about
the
county
needing
a
revenue
stream,
but
you
have
to
take
the
personal
side
of
it
into
account
because
from
going
from
what
Ken
said
very
eloquently
from
what
we
have
now
to
what's,
gonna
be
its
just
scaring
all
of
us
to
death
that
we
wouldn't
be
here.
That's
for
sure
so,
I'll
cut
it
short.
But
that's
basically,
this
side
of
it
is
the
personal
side.
F
That's
why
I
wanted
to
get
it
to
you,
and
hopefully
you
take
the
time
to
read
the
letter
that
I
sent
you
to
understand
that
it's
a
it's
a
total
package.
It's
not
just
about
you
know
getting
a
revenue
stream
for
the
county
or
all
the
things
that
Ken
mentioned,
and
mr.
Lemke
pensions.
So
thank
you
for
your
time.
I
appreciate
it.
Thank.
G
Hi
I'm,
Kim,
Bascom
and
I
have
a
lot
of
concerns.
Myself.
I
have
children
out
there
I'm
worried
about
well
water
drinking,
it
I
mean
I,
don't
know
all
the
harmful
side
effects
yet
I.
Don't
really
think
all
of
us
do.
You
know
there's
always
talk
that
everything
is
always
safe,
but
then
something
happens
and
next
thing
you
know
we
have
a
problem
I'm
thinking.
Maybe
if
we're
gonna
do
this,
maybe
we
should
get
city
water.
G
This
is
an
only
going
on
out
in
Salina
Township.
This
is
a
bigger
big
deal.
This
is
going
on
out
in
Mazon
right
now,
Grundy
County
and
they're
fighting
it
right
out
there
too,
and
they're
dealing
with
the
same
solar
panel
company
that
we're
gonna
be
dealing
with
Cypress,
Creek
and
they're
already
talking
about
broken
promises
that
they're
not
fulfilling.
So
definitely
don't
want
a
company.
That's
not
gonna
stand
by
their
word
and
do
what
they're
going
to
promise
they're
gonna
do
so
that's
my
comment.
Thank.
H
Hello,
I'm
Christine
Brinkman,
pretty
much
an
agreement
with
everything,
they're
saying
I
really
don't
have
much
to
add
to
it,
because
they've
said
everything
for
me
so
and
I.
Also
speaking
on
behalf
of
my
parents,
who
couldn't
be
here
today,
Charles
and
Carol
endure
Eggman
that
I
am
in
agreement
with
everybody.
Okay,.
I
I
Next
to
our
property
that
go
through,
we
have
a
nuclear
plant,
that's
not
too
far
as
the
crow
flies
away
from
us
in
bond
field.
We
don't
really
need
or
do
we
need
solar
energy
also
out
there
we're
in
urg'd
enough-
and
we
just
don't
think
this
area
is
we
just
don't
need
one
more
thing.
Let's
put
it
that
way.
Thank.
A
J
J
Rating,
thank
you.
What
is
the
ripple
wind
rating?
What
how
many
miles
an
hour
of
wind
kennis
with
Stan?
We
get
high
winds
out
there
and
once
it
comes
to
raising
resonant
frequency.
Well,
these
panels
dislodge
and
become
missiles.
The
other
thing
is
tornadoes.
Tornadoes
would
come
very
close
through
there.
A
A
Okay,
thank
you.
All
right,
going
on,
you've
received
the
minutes
of
May
June
August,
September,
October
and
November
of
2016
and
October
of
1918
George
you
or
did
I,
say
1918
2008,
2017
George.
You
have
a
comment
to
make.
Were
you
making
a
motion
motion
to
approve?
Second,
mr.
Stromberg
on
all
in
favor,
say,
aye
opposed
motion
carries
going
on
to
the
building
report.
Go
all.
K
K
In
your
packet,
you
have
the
building
reports
for
both
October
2017
and
November
2017.
In
October,
we
had
two
new
homes,
valued
at
just
over
1
million
dollars.
Total
permits
479
with
a
total
value,
just
over
three
million
dollars,
and
we
collected
twenty
six
thousand
four
hundred
and
fourteen
dollars
in
building
permit
fees
for
November.
We
had
three
new
homes
with
a
value
of
798
thousand
dollars.
We
issued
43
permits
total
with
a
value
of
1.4
million,
and
we
collected
a
total
of
the
total
fees
of
14,000
$45.
L
K
K
Mr.
Haas
owns
a
26
acre
parcel
in
yellow
head
Township,
just
between
miniman
s,
golf
course,
and
Sherbourne
Ville
the
he
would
like
to
divide
that
property
and
rezone
the
western
250
feet
to
a
to
agricultural
estate
for
a
home
site.
It's
currently
zoned
a1
agriculture,
the
eastern
portion
of
the
property,
would
remain
in
row,
crops
and
agriculture
and
would
not
be
eligible
for
a
building
permit,
since
it
would
be
less
than
20
acres.
The
wooded
area
acreage
is
on
that
nine
point.
K
A
K
A
L
A
Other
questions
came
up
in
motion
dinner
and
seconded
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
opposed
motion
carried
Z
bak
1708
request
for
special
use,
permit
to
section
121,
9,
new
name,
cc3,
automobile,
wrecking
yard
and
junkyard;
a
variance
to
section
121,
99
c3
fence
in
the
a1
agriculture
district,
on
a
partial
generally
situated
in
Section
4
of
limestone
township.
The
petitioner
is
vsf
Properties,
LLC
property
owner
and
applicant.
K
Bsf
LLC
is
requesting
a
special
use
permit
to
operate
an
automobile,
wrecking
yard,
slash
junkyard
on
a
10.72
acre
parcel
on
1,000,
South,
Road
and
limestone
Township.
The
site
has
been
used
as
an
automobile
salvage
yard
for
at
least
40
years.
There
were
some
testimony
that
it
could
have
been
as
long
as
50
or
60
years.
Nobody
really
knows
for
sure,
but
it
predates
our
zoning.
K
They
are
requesting
a
special
use
permit,
which
will
make
it
compliant
with
our
zoning
ordinance.
They
are
also
requesting
a
variance
on
fencing.
Our
ordinance
requires
a
12
foot
tall,
solid
fence
around
the
entire
perimeter
of
any
scrapyard
or
salvage
yard,
and
the
arguments
here
is
are
that
it
is.
The
site
is
surrounded
by
heavy
woods
on
three
sides
and
it
really
does
not
make
sense
to
have
to
require
a
fence
on
all
three
of
those
sides.
K
K
Just
on
a
side
note:
the
BSF
owns
the
property
to
the
west,
so
they
do
have
control
over
over
that
the
trees
on
that
site
and
they
own
about
70
feet
worth
of
the
trees
on
the
north
side.
So
they
do
have
control
over
those.
They
do
not
have
control
over
the
trees.
On
the
east
side,
Zoning
Board
did
put
a
condition
on
the
recommended
approval
that,
in
the
event
that
those
trees
were
no
longer
there,
that
BSF
would
put
a
fence
along
the
eastern
side
of
the
property.
L
K
A
There
a
second
to
that
amendment
by
mr.
Ritter
any
discussion
on
the
amendment
all
in
favor
to
the
amendment
say.
Aye
opposed
motion
carried
now
to
the
original
amendment
for
approval
motion
for
approval
on
favor,
say:
aye
opposed
motion
carried
Z
bak
17-9
request
for
a
variance
to
section
1,
121,
281,
b,
accessory
structure
setback
in
the
a1
agriculture
district
on
a
parcel
generally
situated
in
section
12
of
Yellowhead
Township,
the
petitioner,
our
Ambrose
and
Shirley
Marcotte
property
owners
and
applicant.
K
Okay,
this
case
is
fairly
straightforward
at
issue.
Here
is
a
farmstead
that
was,
they
testified,
was
created
about
80
years
ago,
and
since
that
time,
various
buildings
have
been
constructed
on
the
site,
some
of
them
before
zoning
even
existed
in
this
county
and
therefore
no
requirements
of
where
you
can
put
your
buildings.
K
The
owners
wish
to
sell
off
the
farmstead
and
have
applied
for
and
received
a
farmstead
exemption
on.
The
area
you
see
outlined
in
red
on
the
map
up
there.
Part
of
the
requirements
of
the
farmstead
exemption
is
that
the
property
must
meet
all
requirements
of
the
same
zoning
ordinance,
including
setbacks
when
they
did
their
site
survey
for
the
farmstead
exemption.
A
Their
motion
to
approve
mr.
maleeni
is
there
a
second
mr.
Peyton
any
discussion,
seeing
none
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
opposed
motion
carries
ZB
a
case:
17-10
request
for
rezoning
from
a
run
agriculture
district
to
a
to
agriculture
estates
district
and
a
partially
general
generally
situated
in
section
8
of
Solano
Township.
The
petitioners
are
Ryan
and
Ashley
Romero
Brian
Stevenson
and
Clyde
W
Davis
property
owners
and
applicants.
Yes,.
K
The
Romero's
own,
the
parcel
on
the
left,
the
one
in
the
middle,
is
owned
by
mr.
Stevenson
and
mr.
Davis
owns
the
one
on
the
corner
over
on
the
right.
These
three
properties
were
created
at
various
stages
around
the
year
2000,
and
they
did
put
together
a
map
which
is
very
complicated
to
read
that
showed
the
progression
of
divisions
within
the
area.
All
three
homes,
through
some
very
creative
dividing
of
property,
were
permitted
and
built
on
large
acreage
which
allowed
them
to
be
permitted
and
some
time
around
in
around
the
year,
2000
1999.
K
K
Zoning
board
of
appeals
heard
this
case
Monday
night
and
voted
to
recommend
approval
for
two
one.
The
outs,
the
nay
vote
did
not
offer
a
reason
for
their
vote.
I
do
believe
there
was
some
confusion
because
he
kept
asking
if
we've
heard
this
case
before
and
I
told
him
that
no,
this
was
we've
heard
similar
cases,
but
not
on
these
properties,
and
he,
for
whatever
reason,
still
voted.
No.
A
A
N
K
All
divisions
of
property
are
now
reviewed
by
our
planet
officer,
which
is
me
before
they
can
be
recorded
and
must
be
approved.
So
that
helps
so.
They
wouldn't
necessarily
get
away
with
that.
I
know
on
not
on
this
property
but
but
on.
Some
properties
fact
was
the
deed
for
the
five
acres
and
the
deed
for
the
15
acres
being
sold
back
were
all
signed
on
the
same
day
by
the
same
people,
one
with
the
five
ARLA
and
they
weren't
recorded
till
after
the
house
was
built.
K
K
So,
yes,
there
are
I
said
this
happened
several
times.
It
does
not
happen
anymore.
I
don't
want
to
get
into
the
details
of
it
from
as
to
who
did
it
and
where
they're
at
at
this
point
in
time.
But
if
you
want
the
property
history,
it
is
on
page
2
of
the
staff
report.
It's
fairly
thorough.
It
has
this
map
on
here.
K
K
K
K
Of
graduations,
all
of
them
have
been
approved
because,
frankly,
there's
not
much
else
you
can
do,
and
in
this
instance
each
one
of
them
would
have
to
make
them
legal,
as
of
right
now
would
have
to
buy
enough
land
around
them
to
make
them
20
acres
again
and
that's
just
not
possible.
So
your
choice
is
to
leave
these
homes
out
there
ineligible
for
permits
until
they
deteriorate
and
fall
down,
and
then
you'll
have
a
vacant
lot
sitting
there
or
approve
the
rezoning
that.
A
A
O
Good
morning,
everyone
I'll
keep
this
real
short.
One
of
the
things
we
wanted
to
start
doing
was
provide
at
least
quarterly
updates
on
our
rural
transit
operations,
and
so
I
wanted
to
give
you
an
update
for
first
quarter
of
the
fiscal
year.
So
from
July
1st
through
September
30th,
we
had
a
total
number
of
trips
of
nine
thousand
six
hundred
seventy-two
and
four
thousand
eight
hundred
forty-seven
of
those
were
on
our
lomez
commuter
route.
O
So
it's
just
a
right
around
half
we
have
seven
trip
denials
which
those
can
come
from
various
places
such
as
we
weren't
able
to
accommodate
a
trip
necessarily
and
the
timeframe
that
a
rider
has
requested,
or
in
some
instances
our
buses
are
just
too
full
and
we
can't
necessarily
accommodate
those
of
those
writers.
So
compared
to
last
year's
first
quarter,
we
were
up
about
23%
same
thing,
with
the
deviated
big
stroke.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions.
P
O
A
K
In
your
packet
is
a
as
a
report
written
by
mr.
Blair
from
the
supervisor
assessments
office
and
myself.
We
were
asked
by
Chairman
wheeler
to
put
together
a
report
of
what
we
know
about
solar
farms
and
I
have
boiled
this
down
into
a
PowerPoint
that
we're
going
to
go
through,
but
you
do
have
the
torch
that
you
can
take
with
you
and
read
at
your
leisure.
It's
exciting
stuff.
E
K
Those
do
sound
like
some
big
numbers,
but
if
you
really
break
it
down
statewide,
that's
about
between
8,000
and
15,000
acres,
12
to
23
square
miles,
and
if
you
break
it
down
by
the
hundred
and
two
counties,
it's
really
only
about
200
acres
per
County.
Now,
obviously,
there's
gonna
be
some
counties
that
don't
get
yet
isn't
something
they
get
more.
But
if
you
broke
it
down
by
the
numbers,
that's
what
it
is.
So
we're
not
really
talking
about
huge
impacts.
K
Statewide
and
they're
gonna
do
this.
By
what
they
call
is
s
tracks
or
solar
energy
tax
credits
and
those
credits
are
divided
into
four
different
types:
the
utility
scale
solar
farms-
those
are
the
big
ones
about.
40
percent
of
those
credits
are
going
to
go
to
those
50
percent
of
the
credits
are
going
to
go
to
community
solar
farms.
Those
are
smaller,
20
30,
acre
sized
farms
2%
to
brownfields.
That
would
be
landfills,
old
industrial
sites
and
8%
is
light
renewable
program
which
would
be
private
individual
installations,
such
as
rooftop
installations.
B
A
K
When
we
realized
it's
not
in
our
ordinance,
so
we
did
write
an
ordinance
to
allow
them
and
it
was
adopted
by
the
County
Board
in
May
of
2017.
At
that
time,
as
we
were
doing
our
research,
we
learned
that
there
was
only
one
operating
solar
farm
in
Illinois,
it's
located
in
LaSalle,
County,
northeast
of
Street,
or
it's
160
acre
facility,
20
megawatts,
and
it's
a
photo
of
a
photovoltaic
style
system.
There's
some
pictures
of
it
right
there
of
what
it
looks
like.
K
So
we
didn't
have
a
lot
to
go
on.
In
fact,
the
LaSalle
County
zoning
ordinance
didn't
have
much
in
it
either.
There
is
really
no
regulations.
Just
simply
one
line
that
says:
solar
farms
are
permitted
in
our
agricultural
district.
Nothing
to
go
along
with
that.
No
fencing
requirements
set
back
requirements
like.
Q
K
It's
been
my
understanding
that
other
counties
are
are
getting
probably
just
as
many
as
we
are
well.
There
are
some
that
are
not
one
thing
that
the
solar
farms
do
need
is
the
proper
electrical
grid
infrastructure
in
place.
If
property
is
near
a
major
transmission
line,
especially
a
PJM
line
or
a
an
existing
substation,
it
saves
the
solar
farm
company
a
lot
of
money,
and
so
those
are
very
attractive
to
them.
Okay,
the
farther
they
are
away,
the
more
money
it
costs
for
them
to
get
their
power
to
the
grid
and
therefore
less
competitive.
K
R
R
Just
a
second
talking
with
the
far
Illinois
farm
Bureau,
they
informed
me
that
about
70
counties
in
the
state
have
been
contacted
about
solar
energy.
So
we're
not
alone
in
this,
as
Delbert
stated,
I
think
it's
close
to
three-quarters
of
the
counties
in
the
state
have
at
least
been
approached
in
some
way
about
solar
energy.
K
That
I
am
aware
of
Eric
has
actually
talked
to
the
Assessor
over
there
on
a
regular
basis,
so
he
might
be
able
to
touch
on
that
more
than
I
could
I
I
do
have
to
say
that
it
is
not
necessarily
I've
been
over
there
to
see
it.
It's
not
necessarily
a
model
of
how
they
should
be
maintained.
The
grass
is
a
little
taller
than
it
should
be.
There's
weeds
growing
up
through
to
the
fence
zone,
and
so
it
may
not
necessarily
be
a
model
for
that,
but
I'm
not
aware
of
any
issues.
K
R
I've
broached
that
subject
with
the
commercial
appraiser
there
in
LaSalle
County
and
basically
asked
them
if
they
had
any
issues
that
was
that
was
constructed
in
2012.
It's
been
it's
been
operational
for
five
years
now.
He
reported
nothing
to
me
as
far
as
any
concerns
from
any
impact,
including
taxation,
but
not
limited
to
taxation.
I
either
know
no
objection
to
the
the
assessed
value
either
at
at
this
time,
but
as
far
as
what
we're
speaking
about
now,
I'm,
not
aware
of
any
issues
there
in
the
South
County.
R
A
K
Right
so
I
would
encourage
you
if
you
get
a
chance,
go
over
there
and
take
a
look
at
it.
The
map
on
the
Left
shows
you
where
it's
located
just
take
one
we're
out
17
to
18
and
turn
north
on
21st
Road.
It's
about
two
miles
up
on
the
right.
I
would
encourage
you
to
do
that.
Give
you
a
really
good
idea
of
the
uses
in
the
area,
noises
types
of
effects
that
it
has
there's
also
another
one
on
the
right
there,
it's
not
in
our
state,
but
it's
in
close
proximity.
K
C
K
There
are
some
other
ones
in
the
state
that
are
under
there
under
construction
at
this
time,
it's
possible
they
could
be
built
by
now.
It's
been
a
2
or
3
months.
Since
I've
made
these
slides,
there's
one
in
Shelby
County's
about
a
it's
about
a
10
acre,
15
acres
or
20
here
site,
there's
another
one
in
Mason
County.
Those
are
both
being
constructed
by
the
same
company.
I
think
it's
Prairie
power
yeah!
This.
K
E
K
I
know
the
Grand
Ridge
farm
is
grass
and
that's
why
I
said
it's
grasses,
a
little
taller
than
probably
like,
not
much
more
than
any
any
prairie
or
or
pasture
budgets,
it's
a
little
when
I
was
over
there,
it
looked
like
they
had
just
mowed
it
and
they
didn't
necessarily
mow
under
the
solar
panels.
So
he
had
these
rows
of
nicely
mowed
grass,
and
then
you
know
the
taller
grass
might
not
be
as
well
maintained
as
you
might
like.
A
K
K
And
since
then,
there
have
been
a
few
additional.
These
are,
these
are
more
private.
U
of
I
is
building
one
in
Champaign
I
believe
it
may
be
constructed
to
somebody
that
told
me
you
can
drive
by
and
see
it
now.
West
pullman
farm
up
in
Chicago
is
being
built.
These
are
not
commercial
farms,
though
they're
for
a
specific
purpose
types
of
solar
technology.
K
It
really
breaks
down
to
two
different
types:
photovoltaic,
which
are
the
panels
that
you've
seen
in
these
pictures
and
solar
thermal,
which
uses
a
parabolic
mirror
that
directs
rays
of
the
Sun
to
a
central
location
that
heats
a
fluid
which
is
converted
to
energy
I've,
been
told
by
many
people
that
that
is
only
used
in
a
desert
environment
and
would
not
be
used
under
any
circumstances
in
Illinois.
So
we're
really
talking
about
the
photovoltaic
pipe.
K
Components
of
a
solar
farm
there's
a
little
magic
up
here.
That
kind
of
explains.
What's
involved,
the
blue
boxes
are
the
solar
arrays.
Those
are
the
those
are
the
rows
of
panels
depending
on
the
size.
It
depends
on
the
number
of
panels,
but
there
are
solar
panels.
Number
two
is
an
inverter
that
collects
all
the
electricity
and
converts
it
from
AC
to
DC
or
DC.
M
K
K
Electrical
wiring
and
data
cabling,
usually
underground,
and
in
fact
our
ordinance
requires
it
to
be
underground
unless
conditions
do
not
allow
it
to
be
underground,
and
then
it's
up
to
the
planning
director
to
determine
that
a
power
plant
controller.
That's
what
controls
everything
monitors,
how
much
electricity
is
being
produced
and
what's
happening
with
it
generally,
there
may
be
a
control
center,
but
because
of
communications
does
not
necessarily
have
to
be
on-site
and
I
have
not
heard
of
anybody
proposing
one.
K
Yet
it
could
be
very
well
anywhere
because
they
just
have
to
some
human
somewhere
has
to
monitor
the
whole
system,
and
then,
of
course,
there
are
transmission
lines
depending
on
what
size
scale
one
you're
looking
at
and
that
gets
it
back
to
the
grid
or
a
substation.
The
utility
grade
ones
have
to
be
hooked
up
to
a
substation
either
an
existing
one
or
they
have
to
build
their
own.
The
community
residential
ones
just
need
a
three-phase
line,
so
there
are
a
little
more
Fleck
along
where
they
can
be
and,
generally
speaking,
there's
a
security
fence.
K
There
are
some
pictures
of
what
that
sort
of
thing
looks
like
the
solar
arrays
are
on
the
left,
the
cabling
underneath
the
solar
arrays,
which
is
the,
but
what
would
be
about
the
only
above-ground
cabling,
but
it
would
be
attached
to
the
back
side,
is
on
the
right
there's
a
picture
of
a
typical
inverter
and
a
transformer.
Generally
speaking,
the
only
concrete
used
on
site
is
under
those
transformers
and
inverters.
So
it's
about
an
eight
foot
by
10
foot
pad
or
something
of
that
size
in
a
few
locations
on
site.
K
K
Like
part
of
the
design,
okay
and,
of
course,
would
be
part
of
the
plans
that
are
will
be
submitted.
Okay,
okay,
so
I
can't
say
that
we
won't
get
an
application
that
has
ones
that
move
but
I've
been
told
by
people
in
the
industry
that
that
is
not
what
they
be
using
in
Illinois.
We
have
a
fairly
constant
sunlight
from
a
from
the
right
angles
and
that's
what
it
is
that
it
moves
with
the
angle
of
the
Sun,
and
they
do
not
need
that
here.
So,
okay,
how.
K
We're
gonna
get
to
that.
Okay,
next,
actually!
Well,
let's
finish
this
out.
There's
what
a
power
plant
controller
looks
like
typical
control
center,
like
I
said
that
could
very
well
be
in
New,
York
or
LA.
For
you
know,
you
just
have
to
have
a
internet
cable
to
monitor
that
controls,
our
power
plant
controller
and
transmission
lines
in
the
substation
foundations,
from
what
I
can
gather.
There's
three
basic
types:
one
on
the
left
that
picture
down
there
is
with
concrete
for
the
post
generally,
these
are
tubular
steel
type
of
construction.
K
Sometimes
they
do
use
some
wood
at
the
top
for
attaching
the
panels
middle
one
is
without
concrete
and
over
on
the
right,
and
this
is
only
used
when
they
can't
get
into
the
ground.
I,
don't
believe
anybody's
going
to
be
using
that
in
Illinois
it
is
a
possibility.
They
just
use
really
large
weights
at
the
bottom
of
them.
I
have
seen
something
with
like
a
concrete
block
that
it's
attached
to
again
it's
going
to
be
on
a
project-by-project
basis.
We
don't
know
generally
the
one
that
the
people
I've
talked
to.
K
K
They
don't
anticipate
using
concrete,
then
is
it
anchored
with
I
mean
what
keeps
them
it's
driven
into
the
ground.
Those
pipes
are
driven
into
the
ground,
think
about
six
feet
or
something:
okay,
maybe
eight,
but
some
I'm
wondering
proof
again.
All
of
that
engineering
and
design
is
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
a
site-by-site
basis
and
will
be
reviewed
by
my
office
as
well
as
the
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals
and
this
committee.
Well,
if
it's
driven
into
the
ground,
it's.
K
Disassemble
the
site
disturbance
is,
is
pretty
minimal.
Yes,
in
most
cases
and
I
always
have
to
qualify
it
with
that
in
most
cases.
Okay,
now,
if
you
get
some
soils
that
can't
support
those
posts,
they
may
use
concrete.
If
the
rock
is
high,
the
rock
is
high,
then
they
might
propose
those
weighted
systems.
K
F
K
K
A
K
K
Okay.
Zoning,
as
I
said
before,
are
the
County
Board
approved
the
ordinance
back
in
May
of
this
year
for
zoning.
Prior
to
that,
we
did
not
have
an
ordinance
that
addressed
addressed
solar
farms.
In
fact
pretty
much.
Nobody
in
the
state
did
either
cuz.
That's
the
first
thing
when
you're
drafting
in
the
ordinance
is
to
look
and
see
who's
already
done
it
before
no
sense
putting
yourself
through
all
that,
if
you
can
borrow
it
from
somebody
else.
K
K
K
What
does
our
ordinance
say
about
these?
They
are
only
permitted
in
the
a-1
agricultural
district
and
only
through
the
issuance
of
a
special
use
permit
approved
by
the
county
board.
That
means
the
county
board
gets
to
look
at
every
one
of
them
and
determine
whether
it's
appropriate
in
that
location
and
if
there
are
any
issues,
because
it's
especially
used
permit,
the
board
can
put
conditions
on
each
one
to
mitigate
whatever
concerns
or
issues
that
might
come
up
and
that's
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
K
K
K
K
And
we
do
require
an
ox
box
on
the
entrances,
so
emergency
personnel
can
get
there
at
any
time
and
go
into
the
facility
if
needed.
Lighting
solar
farms
don't
operate
at
night,
so
there
is
very
little
lighting
required
for
these
and
noise,
just
like
all
uses
is
limited
to
in
our
ordinance
is
limited
to
50
decibels
as
measured
at
the
property
line
and
signage
they're
limited
to
only
signage
for
safety
and
contact
purposes.
S
Back
to
this
previous
slide,
so
the
first
one
you
say,
solar
farms
are
only
permitted
enable
in
agricultural
districts
that
mean
they're
only
allowed
in
those
districts
are
only
in
those
districts
with
the
special
permit.
So
the
question
is
first,
we're
like
you.
Somebody
want
to
put
them
on
top
of
build
on
roofs
or
over
parking.
Lots.
I
wouldn't
expect
those
to
be
a1.
K
K
So
if
you
have
a
parking
lot,
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
parking
lots,
yeah,
a
county's
jurisdiction,
that's
more
of
an
urban
thing,
but
I
would
believe,
depending
on
the
plans
and
what
they're
wanting
to
do
would
probably
fall
under
the
private.
We
do
that
we
do
and
that
could
fall
under
the
solar
farm
portion
of
the
ordinance.
We
do
have
a
farmer
out
in
Pembroke
on
shift
that,
within
his
own
mini
solar,
some
solar
panels
to
power
his
farm
that
is
allowable
now
without
the
special
use
birthday
its
lightening
an
issue.
A
K
K
Okay
and
the
process
is
the
same
just
for
like
it
is
for
any
other
special
use
permit.
It
goes
as
EBA
for
a
hearing,
that's
where
the
public
and
anyone
who
wants
to
speak
for
it
or
against
it
present
testimony
information.
That's
where
that
occurs,
yeah
and
it
goes
to
this
committee.
Then
it
goes
to
the
county
board
for
final
approval
at
any
point,
during
their
any
one
of
those
groups
can
put
conditions
on
it.
K
Taxation
and
additional
financial
benefits
we
were
asked
to
talk
about
this
I
have
to
commend
Eric
for
the
work
he's
done
here.
I
went
to
Emma
almost
a
year
ago
when
I
started
getting
these
calls
and
questions
started
coming
up.
How
are
these
things
going
to
be
assessed?
What
type
of
taxes
might
we
see
off
of
them?
I
didn't
have
an
answer.
So
I
went
to
the
resident
expert
to
find
that
answer.
K
He
also
didn't
have
an
answer,
but
he
worked
very
hard
to
try
to
find
an
answer
and
realized
that
he
he
may
not
have
won
and
formed
a
a
committee
with
Assessors
throughout
the
state
and
they've
been
working
very
hard
to
create
new
legislation
that
would
address
that
and
I'm
gonna.
Let
him
take
care
of
that.
R
Didn't
hear
me
now,
I
did
recognize
that
there
was
no
statute
in
the
property
tax
code
that
would
directly
affect
or
guide
how
we
would
value
a
solar
project
for
taxation.
You
know
for
assessment
purposes,
given
that
fact
and
how,
how
specialized
this
type
of
project
is
I
felt
it
was
appropriate
to
go
to
my
association
and
find
out
if
there
was
any
interest
in
forming
a
subcommittee
so
that
we
could
address
the
issue
of
assessing
these
projects
uniformly
throughout
the
state.
R
R
That
particular
statute
lays
out
an
actual
formula
which
really
makes
it
the
process
pretty
easy
to
place.
That
value
on
the
tax
rolls
without
really
jeopardizing
any
of
that
abstract
value.
So
it's
it's
advantageous
for
us
to
try
to
pursue
that
and
that's
what
we're
we're
trying
to
do
we're
still
in
the
process
of
crafting.
R
All
of
that
language,
although
we
do
have
a
draft
in
place-
and
we
actually
have
a
formula
that
we
have
ground,
grounded
in
the
reality
of
what
it
actually
costs
to
build
these
types
of
projects
and
the
cost
of
what
is
really
should
be
considered
the
real
estate
component,
because
there
are
some
things
that
are
personal
property
to
these
projects
as
well.
So
we
need
to
recognize
that,
along
with
that,
I
did
prepare
in
that
report.
Page
six.
R
R
That's
why
we
put
it
on
the
page,
so
I'll
go
through
that
a
little
bit,
but
before
I
really
get
started
on
that
I
want
to
disclaim
it
a
little
bit,
because
it
is
speculative
for
me
to
sit
up
here
and
try
to
tell
you
what
the
assessment
will
be
if
we're
trying
to
get
legislation
passed,
and
we
all
know
that,
as
it
makes
its
way
through
the
House
and
Senate,
those
value
components
could
likely
change.
So
what
I'm,
giving
you
now
is
an
estimate
based
on
the
the
formula
as
it
sits
today.
R
But
you
know
if
we're
successful
and
the
governor
does
sign
it
in
August.
Let's
say
of
2018
those
value
components
may
be
very
different
from
what
I'm
discussing
today.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
abundantly
clear
what
I
did
for
this
example
was
I
tried
to
give
an
idea
of
what
the
taxation
would
look
like
for
a
10
megawatt
project,
each
megawatt,
as
I'm
told
by
industry,
takes
about
at
least
five
to
six
acres
per
megawatt
to
construct.
R
So
in
this
example,
what
I
did
was
I
randomly
selected
in
the
unincorporated
area
of
the
county,
a
parcel
that
is
80
acres
in
total
for
the
10
megawatt
project,
I
allotted
60
acres
for
the
project
and
and
left
20
acres
left
over
probably
left
as
farmland.
That's
what
happened
really
in
the
LaSalle
project
as
well.
They
have
a
20
megawatt
project.
It's
a
hundred
and
sixty
acres,
total
140
is
taken
up
for
the
solar
project
and
20
acres
is
left
over
for
the
farm.
R
So
it's
it's
somewhat
similar
in
in
the
way
that
it's
laid
out
there
in
LaSalle
County
get
to
that
part
of
what
I
did
there.
So
I
can
talk
to
you
about
example.
So,
when
I
came
up
with
was
the
idea
that
if
I
were
to
assess
a
10
megawatt
project
on
60
acres
of
commercial
ground
at
that
point,
because
it
would
no
longer
likely
qualify
for
the
preferential
farmland
assessment,
I
came
to
an
estimate
of
tax
I'm.
Sorry
excuse
me
an
estimate
of
assessed
value.
R
You
had
almost
2.6
million
dollars
for
the
10
megawatt
project.
That
would
mean
that
would
include
the
land
value.
So
if
you
took
me,
you
know
two
million
$599,000
assessed
value
that
I
came
up
with
times
the
rent.
He
represented
a
tax
rate
of
seven
point:
eight,
nine,
nine,
seven
percent
in
that
unincorporated.
For
that
unincorporated
parcel
I
came
up
with
an
estimate
of
tax
at
roughly
two
hundred
five
thousand
five
hundred
dollars.
R
R
T
R
Q
Q
R
R
R
Yeah
I
wish
I
knew
I
I
think
the
best
the
best-case
scenario
would
be
summer
of
2018.
If
we're,
if
we're
really
lucky
like
I,
said
the
governor,
as
I'm
told,
typically,
would
sign
a
legislation
in
about
August,
we
will
have
something
ready
for
for
the
upcoming
2018
congressional
session,
which
I
think
probably
kicks
off.
R
There
are
others
in
the
room
here
that
know
this
better
than
I
do,
but
sometime
in
the
early
part
of
2018,
that
would
start
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
something
ready
at
that
time
and,
like
I
said,
if
it
were
to
go
smoothly,
we
could
see
something
by
summer
of
2018.
The
other
point
that
I
want
to
make
real
quick
to
as
I've
talked
with
some
industry.
R
Many
of
these
companies
are
looking
at
the
future
2019
and
2020
to
go
online
because
they
may
save
some
money
by
doing
that
instead
of
moving
forward
now,
but
but
it
should
be
recognized
that
we
should
be
ready
as
soon
as
possible
because
obviously
in
the
LaSalle
County
incidents,
they
put
it
up
until
2012
without
any
renewable
energy
credits.
So
it
could
happen
sooner
than
later.
Q
I
have
lied.
Sorry
I
keep
coming
up
with
things.
Typically,
you
know
as
you're
researching
other
projects,
and
this
might
be
more
hotel.
Have
they
in
EIS
been
performed
some
type
of
environmental
impact
study
is
there
data
to
rely
on?
Maybe
mr.
Reder
be
an
engineer
he's
seen
some
of
that
stuff
in
the
past.
I
don't
know,
but
I'm
just
wondering
what
some
of
the
concerns
about
you
know
we
say
runoff
and
pesticides
and
other
things
is
that
any
more
than
what
are
being
sprayed
right
now,
eye
drops
I.
Guess
that
I'm
wondering
work.
Q
K
Of
both
okay,
there
are
reports
out
there.
I
did
just
a
few
days
ago.
I
found
a
report
from
the
EPA
on
a
site.
I
want
to
say
it
was
either
New
Jersey
or
North
Carolina
that
came
out
favorable
and
showed
that
there
were
no
hazardous
effects
from
the
solar
farm
and,
of
course,
a
lot
of
that
will
come
out
at
the
hearings
they
do
have
to
do.
K
Q
K
R
R
R
It
refers
back
to
nine
145
of
the
property
tax
code,
which
you
would
then
likely
use
an
itemized
cost
list
to
figure
out
what
cost
is
attributable
to
the
real
estate
and
assess
it
that
way
in
absence
of
a
formula
or
something
like
that
so
either
way,
I
would
like
to
say
that
I
believe
that
we
are
well
positioned
once
if
something
does
get
through
the
zoning
phase
and
is
approved
for
for
construction.
I
believe
that
we
are
well
positioned
to
be
able
to
put
it
on
the
tax
roll.
T
You,
chairman,
typically,
you
know
because
I'm
from
the
AG
community
and
the
AG
background,
I'm
kind
of
against
these
things
and
I
was
against
XE
when
Sears
wanted
to
build
their
warehouse,
but
to
take
that
land
out
of
production.
But
there
was
probably
a
thousand
jobs
created
from
it
other
any
jobs
created
from
something
like
this
once
it's
done
does
look
like
once.
K
T
K
U
K
K
K
And
this
is
impacts,
as
we
know
them
and
I
did
not
go
into
detail
on
this
slide.
It
is
in
your
report
in
a
little
more
detail,
noise,
my
understanding
and,
of
course,
I'm-
usually
talking
about
after
construction
during
construction.
You
have
your
typical
noises
and
things
like
that
that
you
would
have
during
the
construction
process,
but
after
construction
there
is
virtually
no
noise,
the
only
noise
generated
by
a
solar
farm.
K
My
understanding
is
a
very
low
hum
from
the
inverters
and
that's
why
they
put
them
towards
the
center
of
the
site
so
that
what
I've
been
told
is
50
feet
away
from
that
inverter.
You
would
not
hear
anything
between
our
setbacks
and
their
location
on
the
site.
It
should
not
impact
any
more
interference
and
electromagnetic
fields
and
trust
me
I
am
and
no
expert
on
any
of
this,
but
the
reports
I've
read
is
they're
similar
to
household
appliances
and
they
pose
no
health
risk
to
neighboring
residents.
K
K
Yes,
they
are
not
designed
to
reflect
light
and
therefore
can't
say
that
there
wouldn't
be
some
glare
of
some
sort
from
the
backing
systems
or
something
like
that,
but
I
have
seen
whether
it
looks
like
they
may
be,
painting
them
with
some
type
of
black
paint
or
something
now
that
would
reduce
even
that
aesthetics.
That
comes
down
to
a
personal
opinion
for
every
person
you
find
that
thinks
they're
ugly
and
doesn't
like
them.
You
can
probably
find
somebody
that
says:
oh
that's,
cool
and
modern.
K
That's
really
a
personal
opinion,
property
values.
There
are
no
studies
available
for
solar
farms
that
we
could
find,
but
we
did
find
plenty
of
them
for
wind
farms,
and
so,
if
you
consider
that
they're
both
power
facilities,
there
are
several
differences,
but
those
reports
show
that
there
was
no
change
or
in
most
cases,
a
positive
change
to
property
values
from
before
construction
and
after
construction
and
I
know.
Eric
did
look
into
that
a
little
bit.
So
if
you
have
anything
to
comment
on
that,
yeah.
R
I
mean
at
this
point
the
the
longest
standing
solar
project
in
the
state
is
a
gala
south
county
from
2012.
It's
too
new
to
really
know
for
sure
the
impact
that
a
solar
project
may
have
on
on
surrounding
real
estate
values.
But,
as
bill
pointed
out,
we
did
find
some
Studies
on
on
wind
energy
projects
throughout
the
country,
which
would
tell
you
that
any
effect
on
the
property
values
surrounding
property
values
is
negative
negligible.
R
At
most,
it
really
doesn't
provide
any
substantial
impact
to
the
value
of
the
surrounding
real
estate,
so
at
this
time
I
would
I
would
expect
you
know
they
are.
They
are
similar
in
terms
of
use,
so
I
would
assume
it
has
a
similar,
not
impact
of
value,
but
only
time
will
tell
and
we
probably
need
at
least
a
decade
to
know
there.
K
Is
a
link
to
one
of
those
reports
in
your
packet
drainage
because
there's
very
little
site
disturbance?
There
should
be
little
or
no
impact
of
drainage.
Our
ordinance
does
require
the
developer
to
give
us
a
location
map
of
drain
tiles,
and
they
would
have
to
repair
any
of
them
that
they
did
damage
roadways.
K
Unlike
the
wind
farms,
they
do
not
have
to
make
major
modification
to
the
roadways
they're,
not
bringing
in
120
foot,
long,
post
and
fins.
The
my
understanding.
Everything
for
a
solar
farm
would
come
in
on
a
normal
semi
truck
and
not
nearly
as
many
truck
loads
as
when
the
farm
would
have
keep
in
mind.
A
wind
farm
had
50
truck
loads
of
concrete
for
each
foundation,
so
the
impact
is
very
low
to
the
roadways,
but
because
we
did
not
know
when
we
were
right
in
the
ordinance
exactly
how
it
might
affect
the
roadways.
K
We
did
require
the
developer
to
have
a
road
use
agreement
with
the
appropriate
Road
Authority
prior
to
approval,
so
they
will
need
to
talk
to
their
Road
commissioners
and
work
out
some
type
of
an
agreement
with
them
and
if
that
route,
you
know
it's
really
up
to
the
road
commissioner
on
what
he
thinks
his
rooms
are
going
to
need
and
what
kind
of
repairs
it
may
need
after
the
fact
did
that
answer
your
question,
mr.
Washington,
since
we
don't
know
exactly
where
they
might
be,
some
of
them
could
be
on
a
gravel
road
for
all.
K
What's
next
currently,
and
as
of
yesterday,
we
can
add
another
one
to
this.
There
are
15
proposed
solar
farm
projects
in
Kankakee,
County
from
nine
different
companies
in
the
various
areas
of
the
county.
Now,
by
proposed
I
mean
they've
talked
to
us
about
it,
and
we've
gotten
far
enough
for
them
to
give
me
some
type
of
location,
I,
don't
necessarily
know
how
many
megawatts
or
how
much
of
a
site
might
be
used
or
exactly
the
number
of
acres,
but
I
have
at
least
a
general
location
on
it.
Three
of
those
fifteen
five.
K
They
range
from
about
two
megawatts
to
70
megawatts
and
from
about
20
acres
to
we
can
change
that
to
600
acres.
There
are
also
three
new
possible
wind
farms
as
well.
I
just
wanted
to
throw
that
in
there,
because
that
seemed
important
to
you.
What
has
nothing
to
do
with
solar,
the
Grant
Park
one
is
you
know,
and
there
are
two
companies
looking
to
the
western
part
of
the
county
for
wind
farms.
A
N
N
A
N
K
Can
still
get
some
kind
of
use
out
of
the
ground
with
the
solar
farm
who
knows,
but
generally
they
are
grass
the
companies
I
have
talked
to.
They
don't
even
want
to
build
access
roads
throughout
the
site
more
than
they
have
to
they'll
drive
their
trucks
right
on
the
grass
they
just
how
they
improve
the
entrance,
so
they
don't
get
hung
up
there,
but
so
I
said:
there's
there's
very
little:
they're
not
going
to
pave
the
entire
site.
I
can't
say
that
they
won't.
There
may
be
some
company
that
wants
to
do
that.
K
Q
K
It's
no
that's
I
mean
I
can,
but
that's
not
typically
how
we
do
it.
Applications
are
received
by
the
County
Clerk's
office,
two
copies
of
them.
One
of
them
stays
with
the
County.
Clerk
is
the
official
copy.
The
other
one
comes
up
to
my
office.
I
have
five
days
to
review
it
to
make
sure
it's
complete,
not
looking
at
one
hour
any
specific
content
just
to
make
sure
that
all
the
requirements
are
there
once
that
occurs.
A
public
hearing
date
is
set,
and
at
that
point
that
that
sets
into
motion
all
of
the
notifications.
K
That's
when
the
letters
all
joining
property
owners
have
to
be
notified
by
certified
mail
within
seven
days
of
the
hearing.
A
notice
goes
in
the
newspaper
fifteen
days
before
the
hearing
and
I
believe
there
are
some
mailings
to
the
units
of
government
that
also
occur
during
that
time,
such
as
fire
departments,
townships
municipalities
within
a
mile
and
a
half,
and
generally
this
committee
doesn't
see
it
tell
or
hear
about
it
till
after
the
Zoning
Board
hearing.
K
And
that
may
play
into
some
of
what
Graham
has
to
talk
about,
because
we
have
to
be
careful
with
what
I
tell
you
so,
but
if
we
have
an
application,
you
know
stating
we
have
one
where
it's
at
I
don't
see
a
problem
with
that
and
of
course,
then
we
have
the
public
hearing
or
hearings
depending
on
how
many
it
takes
to
get
through
the
information
and,
as
you
know,
zoning
board
will
make
a
recommendation
and
send
it
to
this
committee.
It
goes
up
the
ladder
from
there.
N
L
A
A
T
Thank
You
Jeremy
just
a
note
of
Eric's
example
of
two
hundred
and
some
thousand
dollars
and
if,
if
the
county
of
Utes
15%,
it's
like
30
grand
for
that
particular
scenario,
so
you
know
just
so.
People
know
that
we're
not
the
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
looks
pretty
inviting,
but
for
the
county
it's
30
grand
approximately
okay.
K
Any
others
well
while
it
may
look
good
for
the
school
districts
and
I'm
no
expert
on
that,
all
I
did
hear
that
the
school
districts
were
somewhat
disappointed
with
the
money
from
the
wind
farms,
because
it
didn't
really
work
out
the
same
way.
Apparently,
the
state
aid
funding
that
they
receive
gets
lowered
as
their
local
tax
base
goes
up.
A
M
Am
now
good
morning,
everybody
so
I
was
asked
to
become
this
committee
and
explain
what
ex
parte
communications
is
and
why
it's
relevant
to
what
you
guys
do,
obviously,
in
the
context
of
what
Delbert
and
Eric
just
mentioning.
But
it
applies
in
every
case
that
comes
before
you
when
it
comes
to
Zoning
special
permits,
variances.
Anything
like
that.
You
guys
here
and
vote
on
so
I
provided
some
guidelines
for
you
to
look
over
and
just
a
hold
on
to.
So
you
can
know
for
future.
M
But
the
first
part
is
what
is
the
next
part
of
communication.
So,
when
you're
going
through
a
case,
a
zoning
case,
you
take
on
a
role,
that's
quasi-judicial,
and
what
that
means
is.
You
can
only
consider
things
that
are
being
publicly
discussed
so
evidence
and
testimony
that
a
part
of
that
public
meeting
anything
outside
of
that
public
meeting.
You
can't
consider
unless
it's
been
rebutted.
So,
for
example,
we
had
some
public
comments
about
the
solar
farms
this
morning.
M
The
letters
that
the
chair
received
about
the
solar
farm
can
be
discussed
in
a
public
meeting,
but
they
have
to
be
able
to
be
rebutted
by
the
applicant
who's
who's
come
forward
and
requested
the
variance
going
to
the
sites
talking
with
the
the
applicants
or
the
neighbors
or
anything
like
that
would
probably
be
inappropriate
unless
those
neighbors
came
to
the
meeting
and
discuss
their
thoughts
and
feelings
publicly
as
well.
So
that's
kind
of
the
nutshell
of
what
ex
parte
that
communications
is.
That
also
includes
talking
with
Delbert
and
his
staff.
M
Obviously,
a
lot
of
these
applicants
are
applications
are
public
and
very
contentious.
You're,
probably
gonna,
hear
about
it
anyway.
So
if
you
do
come
across
someone
who
has
an
interest
in
a
zone
encase
and-
and
they
start
talking
to
you
about
why
they
don't
like
it
or
why
they
do
like
it
or
what
the
benefits
are
with
the
cut,
but
the
cost
might
be
I
would
point
them
in
the
direction
of
coming
to
the
meeting
and
discussing
their
thoughts
openly
and
publicly
in
a
point
where
they
can
be
addressed
by
the
other
side.
M
A
good
way
to
think
about
is
in
criminal
cases
in
our
in
our
office.
Right
I
can't
go
after
a
defendant
unless
that
defendant
is
in
court
as
well
same
kind
of
thought,
process
right,
so
I've
laid
out
some
best
practices,
I
pulled
them
from
other
counties.
You
know
bylaws
rules,
kind
of
pulled
it
from
a
little
bit
of
everywhere,
but
just
to
go
through
my
mind,
it's
discussed
them
a
little
bit
already.
You
should
try
to
avoid
participating
in
ex
parte
communications
as
much
as
you
can.
M
Obviously
that's
the
ideal
people
are
gonna
have
their
concerns.
Obviously
they
want
to
talk
to
their
elected
officials.
That's
gonna
happen,
so
if
it
does
happen,
make
sure
you
announce
it.
So
when
you
come
to
these
meetings
and
have
a
conversation
about
it,
just
you
know
get
the
chairs
attention
and
bring
it
to
the
board's
attention
that
you
know
this
person
came
to
me
about
this
concern:
here's
how
it
happened.
M
U
M
That
point
it's
no
case,
so
they
can
I
mean
this
was
entirely
appropriate
today,
in
that
they,
the
people
who
have
public
comment,
can't
have
public
comment
about
a
solo
phone
and
what
it
has
an
impact
in
community.
Once
the
case
is
filed,
some
of
the
comments
today,
not
saying
all
of
them
may
or
may
not
have
been
inappropriate-
that's
obviously
a
case-by-case,
but
when
a
case
is
not
pending,
there's
nothing
for
you
to
consider.
There's
nothing
before
this
board.
Q
Q
M
Clarified
that
thank
you
for
asking
the
question:
yes,
because
it's
being
addressed
publicly
in
terms
of
the
solar
farm
project
in
bond
field,
that
would
be
ex
parte
communication
because
it's
part
of
a
public
process.
At
this
point
we
now
know
it's
likely
going
to
come
before
this
community.
We
know
it's
becoming
before
the
CBA
likely,
so
that
would
qualify
sorry
to
muddle
the
waters
there.
No.
C
P
Thank
you.
Many
of
us
went
through
this
in
the
waste
management
hearing.
Yes,
and
so
we
understand
to
a
degree
ex
parte
and
unfortunately
judge
Wenzel,
Minh,
I
I,
think
you're
in
time
for
okay,
because
we
were
told
by
the
state's
attorney
microphone
microphone
by
the
state's
attorney
that
we
could
not
communicate
with
our
constituents
that
when
constituents
called
us
apart
from
a
hearing.
A
C
C
M
The
distinction
I
believe
in
this
case
is
you're
coming
towards
this
committee
and
voicing
your
concerns
about
a
specific
project
that
is
very
likely
to
be
part
of
this
process
regarding
getting
a
special
use
permit
and
be
part
of
the
community.
So
my
opinion,
based
on
what
I
understand,
is
that,
yes,
it's
not
a
pending
case,
but
it
is
likely
to
be
a
pending
case,
and
your
concerns
are
specifically
about
one
individual
case
if
you
have
to.
M
If
you
want
concerns,
if
you
have
concerns
regarding
solar
farms
generally
speaking
in
the
county,
or
what
the
pros
and
cons
about
solar
panels
are,
I
don't
see
any
problem
with
approaching
your
elected
officials
and
having
that
conversation
generally
speaking,
but
my
understanding
is
the
public
comments
today
we're
regarding
a
specific
application
likely
coming
before
this
board.
That
would
be
my.
S
M
M
V
Seems
to
me
when
I
agree
with
mr.
Vickery,
when
the
landfill
came
up,
walking
my
district
I,
knocked
on
over
300
doors
and
or
3000
doors,
and
probably
got
2999
comments
about
the
landfill
so
I'm
supposed
to
order
them.
Instead,
can't
talk
to
you
about
that,
and
that
application
was
coming
up
makes
no
sense.
How
are
we
going
to
respond
to
our
people
if
we
don't
communicate
with
them.
M
A
M
Just
to
address
that
pet,
the
reason
is
once
you're
hearing
cases
you
wear
a
different
hat:
yes,
you're,
an
elected
official,
yes
you're
part
of
a
community
but
you're
in
a
quasi-judicial
role.
So
all
the
evidence
and
all
the
testimony
presented
to
you,
you
have
to
assess
based
on
what
is
presented
to
in
that
public
meeting.
Anything
outside
of
that
is
what
we're
talking
about,
but
it
has
to
be
presented
publicly
and
that's
just
how
that
works.
V
M
M
V
U
It
correct
well,
we
almost
have
to
think
would
we
want
a
judge
discussing
a
case
that
he's
hearing
with
his
friends
are
with
interested
parties,
people
that
would
be
affected
by
the
verdict?
That
appears
in
the
case,
and
obviously
we
want
a
judge
to
be
impartial,
I
guess
we're
expected
at
the
PCA
and
then
ultimately,
full
County,
Court
members,
where
I
would
have
a
vote
to
be
impartial
and
make
their
decision
not
based
on.
What's
in
the
newspaper
about
the
case,
hate
to
pick
a
meeting
of
it.
U
V
With
all
due
respect
to
what
mr.
Larssen
said,
I
really
have
to
vote
with
my
content.
Constituents
say
you
know:
I,
look
at
all
the
facts.
I
may
agree
with
them,
but
they
elected
me.
I
have
to
listen
to
them
and
pay
attention
what
they
have
to
say
and
I'll
wait
and
way.
Then
that's
more
waiting
for
me
or
the
decision
I'm
going
to
make
on
what
they
have
decided
to
do
all
right.
Q
You
and
I
very
much
appreciate
that,
but
if
you
do
that
on
this
committee,
in
these
cases
you
have
violated
the
law,
that's
the
problem,
that's
why
I
asked
Graham
to
come
here
and
talk
to
everybody,
because
these
are
different
situations
than
voting
on
a
finance
meant
matter
or
a
highway
approval,
for
you
know
paying
a
bill.
This
is
way
different
and
it
goes
both
ways.
Let's
just
say
that
for
some
reason
something
is
denied
and
you
have
had
ex
parte
communications
and
you
wanted
it
to
be
denied.
P
Thank
you
again,
miss
German.
Yes,
they
said
it
was
explained
to
us
in
the
landfill
hearings.
It
was
a
very
narrow
interpretation.
You
were
to
become
a
judge.
You
were
to
become
okay,
so
you
could
not
be
a
representative
in
that
issue.
You
had
to
be
a
judge,
and
that
was
a
very
narrow
explanation
and
we
went
through
Appeals.
Yes,.
M
P
A
I'm
glad
you
folks
remained
while
we
went
through
this
discussion,
so
you
understand
better
our
position
as
committee
members
and
what
we
have
to
deal
with
and
make
decisions
that
are
in
accordance
with
the
law.
So
I
appreciate
your
staying,
judge
I'd
like
to
call
on
you,
but
I'm
not
allowed
to
it's.
It's
only
committee
members
that
can
take
place
after
the
public
comment.
So
all
right
is
there
any
further
discussion.