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Planning, Zoning & Agriculture Committee Meeting 2/19/2020 9:00 AM
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If
you
remember
last
month,
I
brought
in
this
huge
poster
that
shows
the
permitting
process
and
I
think
that
is
very
indicative
of
just
how
complicated
that
process
can
be,
and
every
day
every
inspector
when
they're
reviewing
in
issuing
permits,
has
to
follow
that
that
entire
process,
some
of
it
gets
eliminated
very
quickly
depending
on
the
type
of
project.
But
those
questions
still
have
to
be
asked
for
every
project.
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We
average
about
700
to
800
permits
a
year
for
building
permits,
on
top
of
that
around
60
or
so
floodplain
permits,
20
erosion,
control
permits,
and
all
of
that
equates
to
about
1,100
inspections
a
year,
and
you
can
see
the
numbers
on
the
board
there
of
all
the
other
permits
and
referrals
that
we
do,
and
all
of
that
is
done
with
three
full-time
inspectors
and
two
part-time
clerical
people.
So
they
are
very
busy
people
most
months.
Apparently
January.
We
were
not
some
of
the
benefits
of
automating
the
system,
improved
customer
service.
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We
would
be
able
to
deliver
permits
to
the
customers
in
a
much
more,
faster
and
efficient
manner
through
the
use
of
a
computer
actually
at
full
rollout.
A
customer
could
actually
go
through
the
entire
process
of
applying
for
the
permit
paying
for
the
permit,
scheduling
their
inspections
and
getting
all
of
their
necessary
paperwork
and
never
stepped
foot
in
our
office.
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We
have
a
storage
bin
down
in
the
building
next
door,
the
cage
over
there
that
we
keep
actual
building
plans
in,
and
we
have
a
couple
of
different
building
plans
for
the
more
current
stuff
that
is
actually
in
our
office,
and
these
things
have
to
be
stored
and
they
have
to
be
retrieved,
sometimes
often
on
a
daily
basis.
One
of
the
items
up
there
is
before
you
show
permits
see
if
there's
any
violations
on
the
property
see.
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What's
happened
on
the
property
before
to
make
sure
we're
not
we're
not
making
a
mistake
in
issuing
a
permit,
so
that
has
to
be
checking
that's
one
of
the
boxes
that
are
in
that
process
up
there
document
management,
record-keeping
and
reporting
the
system
eases
that
entire
that
entire
process.
It
actually
can
kick
out
monthly
reports.
Like
the
building
report,
you
seen
and
a
lot
more
detail
with
charts
and
graphs,
and
things
like
that.
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So
there's
a
dashboard
to
it
so
on
any
given
day
any
daily
on
a
daily
basis,
myself
and
any
county
board
member
or
that
we
have
that
has
password
access
to
it
could
see
where
we're
at
at
any
time,
how
much
money
we
brought
in.
How
many
permits
we've
issued
efficiency
and
speed
faster
trip
fast
track,
permitting
one
of
the
big
things,
especially
for
commercial.
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It
would
help
with
accuracy.
The
computer
itself
would
calculate
the
fees
once
the
fee
tables
are
all
put
in
so
human
error,
and
that
would
be
would
be
lessened
if
not
eliminated,
and
it
would
also
help
with
our
scheduling.
Currently,
our
scheduling
is
done
manually
based
on
the
request
for
inspections
and
we
determine
who's
available
and
where
they're
going,
and
we
do
try
to
make
that
efficient
so
that
we're
not
sending
somebody
from
Grant
Park
and
then
all
the
way
to
the
Redick
area
on
the
same
trip.
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But
this
would
help
streamline
our
scheduling
process
and
ensure
that
that
type
of
stuff
doesn't
happen.
Convenience
for
customers,
as
I
said
before
they
don't
have
to
come
into
the
office,
to
participate
in
the
process
and
it
would
be
available
24/7.
They
could
be
sitting
at
their
home
applying
for
their
permit
on
a
Saturday.
We
would
receive
the
paperwork
on
Monday
when
we
walked
in
and
act
accordingly
for
contractors,
they'd
be
able
to
manage
multiple
permits
and
registrations
from
a
single
interface.
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If
they've
got
ten
permits
out
and
wondering
where
they
should
send
their
crew
that
day
because
of
inspection
schedules
or
things
like
that,
they
would
be
able
to
pull
up
the
part
of
the
interface
and
being
able
to
determine
the
best
way
to
to
manage
their
people
in
their
projects.
They
would
also
have
notifications.
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That
is
something
communications.
The
next
one
the
process
are,
the
the
software
allows
you
to
notify
anybody.
You
would
like
to
notify,
which
actually
goes
to
mr.
Smith's
question
from
last
month,
that
you
could
actually,
you
could
put
in
the
email
addresses
of
all
of
the
township
Road
commissioners,
and
every
time
we
issue
a
permit,
they'd
automatically
get
a
copy
of
it
set
to
their
emails,
providing
they
keep
their
emails
up
to
date
with
us
in
our
system,
which
is
I,
did
check
on
that
and
half
of
them
that
we
have
are
not
current.
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So
if
they
don't
tell
us,
how
do
we
know.
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Obviously,
the
staff
would
need
to
be
trained,
there's
a
learning
curve
to
it,
and
so
there
would
be
a
period
of
time
in
fact,
I
envision,
it's
possible
that
we
would
be
keep
for
some
period
of
time.
We
would,
we
would
do
everything
twice
the
old
system
and
the
new
system
for
at
least
a
month
or
two
just
to
make
sure
we
don't
lose
information
and
things
are
properly
moving
along
and,
of
course,
the
cost.
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There
is
a
cost
involved
with
this
now,
there's
the
full
rollout
that
allows
the
use
of
tablets
in
the
field
for
inspections
and
stuff,
like
that
and
there's
the
ability
for
the
end
customer
to
actually
log
into
the
system
from
from
anywhere.
But
we
can
roll
this
out
in
various
parts
and
I
think
the
the
most
beneficial
to
us
would
be
to
use
it
in
house
first
for
a
little
while
make
sure
every
all
the
bugs
are
worked
out
of
it
works
right.
This
is
designed
custom
designed
to
meet.
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It
will
mirror
our
process,
so
we
don't
really
have
to
change
any
of
our
processes
to
use
it,
although
I'm
quite
sure
that
there
will
be
a
few
tweaks
that
we'll
have
to
do
to
our
processes,
but
the
core
processes
would
stay
the
same.
So
I
do
have
a
video
demonstration
that
a
vendor
sent
me
I'd
like
to
play
for
you
to
give
you
an
idea
of
what
we're
looking
at
and
what
the
software
is
capable
of.
So
I
think
eight
minutes
or
so.
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Overview
of
smart
goods
this
afternoon
and
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
share
my
screen
out
with
you
guys
and
we're
gonna
start
more
high-level.
Last
time
when
we
had
the
team
on
the
call
we
had
talked
about
creating
more
efficiencies.
We
also
talked
about
moving
into
more
digital,
more
technology
and
engaging
customers
online
for
the
future.
So.
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Guys
you
should
see
a
bunch
of
different
colored
pens
out
there
and
what
this
does
is
it
basically
gives
you
guys
an
idea
of
what
what
types
of
projects
are
going
on
around
the
county.
It
helps
the
team
prioritize
projects,
so
you
can
see
the
status
of
projects
you
can
drill
down
into
this
data
a
bit
further.
If
you
want
to
plug
in
some
date,
ranges
if
you
want
to
plug
in
certain
permit
types
right.
Those
are
all
things
that
you
can
do
from
here.
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One
of
the
other
things
that
we're
gonna
be
building
out
when
we
put
records
in
the
system
like
permit
applications,
clean
ins,
any
applications
raised
a
history
for
your
properties,
they're
in
the
county.
So
if
I
have
someone
in
asking
questions
about
a
particular
property,
maybe
they
want
the
past
five
years.
Permit
history,
information
like
that's
Freight
I
can
go
in
I
can
easily
plug
in
an
address
or
a
parcel
and
it'll
find
that
for
me,
so
it.
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Else
out
and
I
can
quickly
go
to
that
property
if
I
want
to
see
where
it's
located
on
the
map.
Click
on
the
pin
that
you
see
there
I
can
see.
There
are
67
records
on
that
property,
and
this
is
just
kind
of
a
quick
snapshot
of
one
of
the
records
on
that
property.
I
can
go
right
to
the
parcel
itself,
though.
If
I
want
to
see
you
kind
of
across
the
board,
all
the
things
that
are
tied
to
it
and
you'll
see
here.
I've
got
a
list
of
everything.
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One
of
our
existing
clients
database
that
you
guys
are
looking
at
here
on
the
screens
of
some
of
their
permit
types
and
different
projects,
may
be
a
bit
different
than
what
you
guys
are
experiencing
there
in
your
county.
So
those
are
all
things
that'll
be
customized
configured
to
meet
your
needs
right.
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So,
in
addition
to
having
access
to
the
property
data
right,
it's
also
providing
a
way
for
you
guys
to
communicate
across
departments.
So
a
lot
of
times
with
county.
You
sometimes
there's
somebody
different
that
goes
out.
That's
good
enforcement
versus
folks
who
are
doing
permitting,
not
always,
but
sometimes,
but
what
this
does
is.
It
brings
together
all
that
information
and
what
we're
also
able
to
see
all
the
code
enforcement
violations
that
may
be
tied
to
that
particular
property
plus
any
licenses
that
may
be
issued
for
that
property
as
well.
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So
it's
combining
all
those
different
areas
into
one
place
for
for
the
team
to
manage
so
I'm
gonna
pop
over
real
quick
to
a
permit
that
I
was
working
on
earlier
and
when
I
get
rid
of
the
permit.
This
is
for
a
building
permit
again.
This
is
for
that
client
I
was
telling
you
guys
about
a
second
ago.
They
have
different
a
couple
of
different
things
that
they
look
for
and
again
this
is
where
I'm
gonna.
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It
creates
some
accountability
around
that
I
can
see
that
Sam
shape
and
approve
that
today,
On
February
10th
the
other
areas
that
we're
going
to
talk
through
just
briefly
today,
any
submittals
that
are
required,
if
you
guys
want
to
take
in
site
plans
electrical
drawings.
Things
like
that
that
are
gonna
be
important
part
of
that
review
process.
We
briefly
touched
on
these
validating
contractor
licenses
through
this
process,
as
well
as
inspections
that
are
required
for
for
each
of
your
permits
and
application
types.
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So
one
of
the
things
that
stands
out
here
and
I'm
just
going
to
pop
over
to
inspections,
really
quick.
You
can
see
that
we're
setting
the
tone
here
for
what's
gonna
have
to
happen
once
we
issue
the
permit.
So
once
we've
gone
through
all
those
checklist
items
of
things
that
we
need
and
check
off
some
approvals,
we
get
from
other
people
or
our
to
permit
inspections
can
be
scheduled
directly
through
the
system.
Typically,
an
inspector
would
have
like
a
tablet
or
smartphone
in
the
field
with
them.
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So
whenever
these
get
scheduled
right,
it
sends
them
an
alert.
Saying,
hey,
you've
got
something
new
in
your
work
list
and
then
they
can
easily
pull
that
up
out
in
the
field.
So
when
they
go
to
their
smartphone
app
in
the
morning,
right
and
I
was
working
on
the
inspection
earlier
here.
Let
me
go
back
to
my
home.
Page
I've
got
a
list
of
everything
that
I
need
to
do
that
day.
Right,
I
can
scroll
through
that
list.
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I
can
see,
I
need
to
go
to
the
footing,
trich
rebar
rate,
I
click
and
do
it,
and
this
is
where
I
can
collect
results.
So
there's
a
section
down
here
at
the
bottom
that
I
can
go
in
and
record
Corrections
that
have
to
happen,
or
it
could
even
document
a
code
reference
if
I
wanted
to
make
that
when
I
was
out
in
the
field
once
I
final,
this
rate,
it
can
go
right
back
to
the
contractor
or
the
Builder,
the
customer
right.
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F
If
you
guys
want
them
to
be
able
to
apply
online
and
take
some
of
the
work
off
the
staff
putting
applications
in
and
also
creating
that
24/7
stealth
service
option,
that's
gonna
be
available
to
you
guys
as
well,
so
just
to
give
you
a
quick,
quick
view
of
that.
I'm
gonna
pop
over
here
to
the
public
portal
you'll
see
I've
branded
it
for
the
county
got
the
county
logo
there
on
the
top
left.
Underneath
there
you'll
see
four
boxes
depending
on
how
we
want
to
roll
out
the
portal
right.
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We've
got
the
online
applications,
everything
that
starts
there
right
put
the
application
there
and
it
goes
to
our
staff.
It
goes
to
the
appropriate.
We're
close,
we're
channels
gets
approved
right
inspections,
happen,
that's
what
we've
talked
about
so
far,
all
the
way
to
tracking
the
status
of
my
applications.
So
if
I
want
to
go
see
if
my
permits
been
approved
or
if
I
want
to
look
up,
my
inspection,
history
or
maybe
I'm
a
contractor
and
I
want
to
get
my
registration
set
up
here
or
I
want
to
go
online
and
renewal.
F
I
can
do
that
all
for
one
spot
here
at
the
top
you'll
see
I've
got
a
list
of
all
my
active
permits,
so
I
can
see
exactly
what
status
they're,
all
in
and
I'm
kind
of
wearing
it
out
here
of
one
of
your
contractors,
one
of
your
builders,
a
lot
of
new
buildings
coming
in
and
see
the
status
of
each
of
those
projects
and
if
I
want
to
drill
down
further
I
can
click
into
them.
So
if
I
want
to
look
up,
inspection
history
right,
I
can
go
right
to
the
permit.
F
I
can
pull
that
up
and
I
can
see
any
results
that
were
collected
by
the
inspector
and
all
that's
relate
back
to
me
in
real
time
right.
So
this
floor
mat
you
see
here.
This
is
just
a
template
that
comes
out
of
our
demonstration
account.
These
are
all
things
that
we're
going
to
configure
with
you
guys
to
make
sure
that
it
meets
your
needs
and
it
communicates
the
information
that
you
need.
Your
customer
to
see.
F
All
right
so
real,
quick,
I'm,
just
gonna
pop
back
to
the
main
screen
that
we
looked
at
initially
with
those
four
boxes.
This
is
where
we
want
to
take
things.
We
want
to
go
online
at
some
point
and
we
can
definitely
help.
You
know
create
some
efficiencies,
at
least
from
putting
applications
in
for
allowing
our
staff
to
do
that
or
her
loan
or
applicants.
To
do
that
right.
We
can
make
it
really
simple
for
them
online.
It's
also
opening
up
the
doors
24/7
for
to
be
able
to
submit
applications.
F
Ofyou
know
our
folks
out
of
state
or
folks
that
have
this
is
maybe
a
side
job
that
they
do
or
a
homeowner
who
works
full-time.
They
can
go
to
your
website
and
they
can
go
ahead
in
and
they
can
apply
for
an
application
notice.
Tijeras
skipped
through
kind
of
quick
different
applications
can
be
apply
for
online.
Those
are
all
things
that
we
customize.
F
It
can
configure
directly
for
the
jurisdiction
that
we're
working
with
and,
of
course,
based
on
what
the
applicant
selects
it's
gonna
walk
them
through
step
by
step,
what
they
need
to
enter
in
order
for
them
to
submit
their
application,
so
I
go
too
did
too
much
detail
there
wanted
to
give
you
guys
just
kind
of
a
high-level
today
if
there
are
additional
questions,
feel
free
to
reach
out
be
happy
to
answer
those
for
you
thanks.
So
much
for
your
time
today.
F
D
Was
a
very
quick
short
overview
of
the
program
itself,
we'll
County
actually
uses
the
same
software
and
we
went
up
there
and
spent
a
whole
day
with
their
planning
director
who
walked
us
through
the
entire
thing,
and
it
was
pretty
amazing
how
they
actually
use
it
and
how
much
it
helps
them
slide.
Show
from
current
slide.
So
you're
probably
wondering
what
does
this
cost
initial
cost
is
$42,000
to
set
everything
up
and
to
make
it
work
that
actually
breaks
down
to
I?
D
Think
it's
$33,000
for
the
set
up,
and
the
remainder
of
that
42,000
is
the
remainder
of
the
2020.
If
we
were
do
purchases
today
for
the
annual
subscription
fee,
then
after
that
it
is
a
annual
subscription
fee
of
about
$21,000
a
year,
I
am
sure
over
time
that
does
go
up
5%
a
year
or
so
like
that,
but
it's
going
to
be
around
that
range.
So
that's
that's
the
type
of
money
we
are
looking
at
to
initiate
this
system.
D
How
would
we
pay
for
it?
I
know,
there's
there's
a
few
ways:
one
we
could
raise
building
permit
fees
to,
we
could
pay
for
it
out
of
the
money
we
currently
already
collect
or
three.
We
could
probably
raise
contraire
and
registration
fees
as
they
will
see
a
pretty
substantial
benefit
from
the
use
of
this
software.
D
We
leave
that
up
to
the
committee
and
the
board
to
decide
on
that.
I
can
tell
you
when
it
comes
to
registration
fees
that
are
currently
$100
a
year,
which
is
the
lowest
around
most
people.
Most
agencies
are
charging
one
hundred
and
fifty
minimum
for
a
year
for
registration
fees
for
contractors
and
that
extra
fifty
dollars
would
bring
in
about
thirty
five
forty
thousand
dollars
a
year.
If
we
were
to
raise
it
to
that
to
that
level.
H
H
H
D
D
D
D
D
H
D
D
H
H
D
I
D
D
I
think
it'll
make
us
far
more
efficient.
It
will
improve
our
communications.
I
gave
a
list
of
what
I
felt
the
benefits
are:
it'll
reduce
storage
while
I
don't
believe
it
would
save
us
any
current
employees.
It
could
keep
us
from
having
to
hire
more
in
the
future.
It
could
cut
down
on
our
our
other
costs
for
travel
if
we
can
more
efficiently
schedule
our
inspections
and.
I
C
D
Either
exempt
from
permits
or
they're
permitted
by
the
state,
so
we're
not
involved
with
that.
If
I
say
that
there's
we
do
get
involved
occasionally,
if
there's
an
electrical
connection
for
a
building
or
a
pump
or
something
like
that,
then
we're
only
inspecting
and
permitting
the
electrical
cannot
be
access
to
the
excess
or
any
of
that.
No,
so
typically.
C
D
C
We
understand,
we
would
say
the
easement
doesn't
include
their
destruction
of
the
roads
and
that's
where
the
road
commissioners
at
least
six
of
them,
that
I
talked
to
out
of
the
eleven
you
know
they
all
brought
this
up.
They
wanted
to
have
some
notification
that
things
were
happening
until
they
found
the
middle
of
you
know
a
pipeline
X,
Y
or
Z.
You
know
it
destroyed
the
roads,
hauling
pipe
in
and
everything
else.
So,
but
that's
why
why
I
was
asking
if
it
actually
goes
through
our
office
or
not?
No,.
D
H
You
just
my
personal
suggestion
is
this:
has
to
be
an
opt-in
system
instead
of
us
determining
arbitrarily
who
should
be
notified
and
who
should
not
be
notified.
I
think
that's
it's
a
lot
to
put
on
your
office
and
I
think
there
are
legal
things
that
start
to
enter
into
it
when
somebody's
not
notified,
and
they
think
they
should
be
I
chose.
D
D
Believe
so
too
I
mean
we
notify
those
that
we
are
required
by
either
ordinance
or
statute
to
notify,
as
in
the
and
the
example
of
Road
commissioners,
if
a
new
entrance
permit
is
being
is
required
or
being
asked
for
they
get
notified.
That's
there's
a
referral
form
that
go
that
they
have
to
bring
back
to
us
that
the
Road
Commissioner
has
to
sign
off
on
if
they
are
modifying
a
a
driveway
that
with
the
modification
would
be
within
the
right-of-way,
we
notify
they
have
to
notify.
The
road
commissioner,
is.
D
D
So
if,
but
if
the
driveway
modification
is
on
their
private
property,
the
the
Road
Commissioner
does
not
get
notified
because
it
doesn't
affect
him
it's
on
their
private
property.
So
that's
that's
when
they
get
notified.
What
mr.
Smith
is
talking
about
is
notification
above
and
beyond
that
and
who
wants
to
be
notified
and
how
often
do
every
permit
or
only
certain
types
of
permits-
and
we
800
permits
last
year
across
17
Township,
that
17
people
to
notify
800
times
I
right
now
manually
that
that
would
be
a
burden
to
the
staff.
D
G
I'm
in
favor
of
this,
this
upgrade
because
number
of
reasons
we
have
downsized
in
the
number
of
employees
in
Planning
and
Zoning
and,
as
things
grow,
an
increase
the
demand
for
more
personnel.
It's
going
to
be
there.
This
will
help
to
hold
that
in
check
by
having
this
automated
system,
rather
than
having
an
individual
or
individuals
to
do
the
work.
H
D
Could
be
you
could
raise
building
permit
fees
for
all
building
permits?
That's
a
possibility
too.
Those
were
last
updated,
I
think
around
2007-2008
somewhere
in
that
range
about
two
thousand
I'm
show
you
maybe
only
2012.
Rather
than
raise
the
fee,
we
added
a
$25.00
administration
fee,
which
was
based
on
the
bellhop
bellwether
study.
At
that
time
they
stay
at.
That
study
showed
that
we
should
raise
our
fees
to
cover
our
cost
and
rather
than
change
the
table,
we
just
added
a
$25
administration
fee
to
each
permit.
A
D
I
guess
I'm
not
sure
on
your
question,
I
mean
it
is
the
planning
department.
We
are
the
planning
department.
So
this
is
what
we
you
could
expand
the
system
out
to
also
cover
other
things:
zoning
cases
you
could
put
those
applications
on
there
as
well
and
be
part
of
the
process
or
any
of
our
other
numerous
applications,
such
as
for
subdivisions
or
farmstead
exemptions.
D
You
could
also
expand
it
out
to
other
other
parts
of
the
county.
It
does
allow
you
to
do
licensing
so
liquor
licenses
or
any
other
licenses
that
the
county
might
use.
It
doesn't
have
to
necessarily
be
our
office
that
could
use
I,
don't
know
what
that
chain
that
may
or
may
not
change
on
the
cost,
but
you
certainly
could
do
some
of
that
in.
D
A
A
A
A
A
A
D
Every
every
year
in
March,
the
county
board
readapt
their
zoning
map
that
reflects
all
of
the
changes
that
occurred
throughout
the
the
previous
year.
So
for
2019
we
had
15
zoning
cases,
which
is
for
rezoning,
's
1
from
a1
to
a2
1
from
R
1
C
2
to
a
1
&
2,
a
1
to
her
estate
re.
We
had
three
special
use
permits,
one
for
a
slaughterhouse
one
for
a
kennel
and
one
for
residents
on
greater
than
two
acres.
D
D
D
Since
we
have
the
power
of
the
GIS
and
digital
technology.
Now
we
actually
deliver
the
map.
On
the
GIS-
and
we
have
very
little
requests
for
paper
hardcopy
maps
these
days,
but
we
do
print
a
few
just
in
case,
so
that
is
the
2020
map
on
the
screen
there.
If
anybody
would
like
a
copy
of
it,
we
could
certainly
get
it
for
you,
it'll,
be
on
the
GIS
once
it's
adopted
by
the
full
County
Board
in
March.
So
this
will
require
a
motion
to
approve
the
new
2020
zoning
map.
A
H
At
times,
we've
run
into
the
extra
jurisdictional
area,
the
mile
and
a
half
for
municipalities
when
we
originally
or
with
this,
was
done
in
67.
There's
a
lot
of
land
that
was
thought
to
be.
It
was
going
to
be
residential,
but
it
never
happened.
Is
that
part
of
the
revisions
that
you
guys
do
on
a
yearly
basis?
As
you
look
at
those
areas
and
kind
of
you
know,
suggests
rezoning
and
things
like
that:
I
don't
yeah,
but
no
that's
a
lot
of
work
and
I
just.
D
Know
it's
something
that
is
a
lot
of
work
and
requires
in
order
to
change
the
zoning
map
you
have
to
go
through
the
same
rezoning
process.
Remember
is
one
of
those
parcels
would
be
a
zoning
case.
Now
you
can
lump
them
together.
They
tried
that
in
1996
to
reduce
some
of
that
because
of
the
pushback
on
it,
they
dropped
that
that
idea.
Our
comprehensive
plan
still
says
that
those
areas
should
be
reduced
and
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
chip.
What
happened
there
was
a
bit
of
a
change
in
planning
philosophy.
Back
in
67.
D
You
drew
up
your
plan
of
where
you
thought
you
would
grow
to
and
then
so
that
to
allow
for
that
growth,
you
would
change
your
zoning
ordinance
accordingly
and
they
should
match
somewhere
in
about
the
19
late
1980s
1990s.
It
was
determined,
that's
a
real
bad
idea,
because
if
they
have
zoning,
then
it
is
by
right.
They
can
do
that
there.
D
It
is
better
to
not
change
your
zoning
map,
regardless
of
what
your
plan
says
and
still
make
the
property
owner
come
in
and
ask
so
that
you
get
to
review
their
project
and
make
sure
that
everything
fits
accordingly.
So
since
then
that
is
the
that
is
the
way
we've
been.
We've
been
operating
just
like
many
other
places.
However,
we
are
still
stuck
with
these
legacy
areas
that
are
zone,
especially
residential.
That
should
should
not
be,
and
probably
never
should
have
been.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
C
D
If
an
objection
within
that
mile
and
a
half
can
trigger
a
three-quarter
majority
vote
by
the
county
board
to
approve
anything,
I
think
that's
also
carries
through
especially
use
permits.
They
do
have
some
pre
annexation
authority
within
that
mile
and
a
half
and
the
village
of
Pembroke.
Our
village
of
Hopkins
Park
in
Pembroke
just
recently
use
that,
whereas,
if
they
have
a
pre-annexation
agreement
with
a
piece
of
property,
they
can
enforce
all
of
their
ordinances
and
laws
on
that
piece
of
property
as
if
it
was
in
the
village.
D
So,
therefore
we
lose
our
zoning
authority
over
that
piece
of
property
within
the
mile
and
a
half
if
they
chose
to
do
that.
It's
been
done
twice
alright.
Well,
this
would
be
the
third
time
in
the
county.
Bradley
did
it
once
and
the
village
of
Grant
Park
also
did
it
once
and
those
are
reflected
on
the
map
that
little
black
square
down
there
in
the
bottom.
It's
called
public
act,
I
think
195
any
of
them
that
are
black.
D
B
C
A
D
I'll
back
around
November
mr.
wheeler
asked
me
to
look
into
grants
for
electronic
recycling
for
the
county,
because
currently
karma
operates
two
electronic
recycling
facilities
within
the
county,
one
at
the
Public
Works
yard,
at
city
of
Kent
Key
and
one
at
the
Public
Works
in
Bradley,
and
they
started
those
because
they
were
receiving
grant
money
from
the
IE
EPA
to
operate
those
facilities
that
money
they
have
lost.
They
lost
those
grants
and
mr.
wheeler
wanted
to
know
why
and
of
what
was
available
out
there.
D
Well,
the
reason
they
lost
the
grants
because
they
don't
longer
exist,
they've
been
replaced
with
the
consumer
electronics
recycling
Act,
which
is
known
as
Sarah
the
Sarah
act,
which
went
into
effect
in
2017.
It
is
scheduled
to
be
repealed
in
2026
I'm,
not
sure
where
that's
going
to
go
with
the
legislation
seems
to
be
a
fairly
successful
program,
so
I
imagine
the
Legislature
will
continue
it
and
that
Act
requires
manufacturers
and
sellers
of
electronic
devices
to
pay
for
their
recycling
and
they
have
to
pay
into
a
fund
to
pay
for
their
recycling.
D
So
we
looked
into
it.
How
does
this
affect
us
because
karma
no
longer
wants
they've
been
paying
the
full
freight
for
the
electronic
recycling
and
they
no
longer
want
to
be
in
the
electronic
recycling
business?
So
we
looked
into
how
the
sera
program
could
work
for
us
the
program
you
have
to
opt
in
March
1st
of
each
year
and
once
you
opt
in
on
March
1st,
then
they
are,
the
iepa
will
assign
you
a
recycler,
and
then
you
work
with
that
recycler
to
set
up
your
program.
D
D
The
only
thing
on
the
left
the
recyclers
will
also
pay
for
is
they
will
supply
all
packaging
materials
and
supplies
for
packaging,
the
electronics,
so
the
county
or
the
local
municipalities
are
responsible
for
the
cost
of
collecting
the
electronics,
storing
them
till
they're
picked
up
packaging
them
in
a
manner
specified
by
the
recycler
for
pickup
and
actually
loading
the
trucks.
The
manufacturers
/
recyclers
are
responsible
for
picking
them,
picking
up
the
electronics
transporting
them
to
the
recycling,
location
and
actually
recycling
them
so,
and
so,
once
we've
opted
in
March.
First
we're
assigned
a
recycler.
D
D
So
if
we
do
not
opt
in
this
March
1st,
we
will
have
to
wait
till
next
March
1st
opt
in
which
makes
it
2022
before
the
program
would
start,
and
since
you
cannot
toss
them
in
your
trash
and
presumably
not
on
the
roadside,
the
citizens
of
this
County,
if
karma
decides
not
to
do
it,
wouldn't
have
no
place
to
take
their
electronics
or
recycling
it.
Mr.
J
D
H
So,
just
to
to
let
people
know,
there's
been
I've
met
with
all
the
mayor's
on
this
a
couple
of
times
and
there's
been
township
officials
there
as
well.
Modèle
I
asked
him
to
come
in
and
he's
been
there
on
two
occasions
explaining
this.
So
there
is,
there
is
the
the
knowledge
that
you
know.
The
county
right
now
doesn't
pay
anything
for
this
service
that
goes
on
in
Kankakee
and
and
Bradley
Karma's
footing.
The
bill
and
they're
very
municipal
employees
are
the
ones
that
are
doing
the
work.
H
You
know
the
one
in
Bradley
does
it
has
three
sides
in
it,
so
people
just
come
in
and
dump
stuff
all
over
the
place
and
we
don't
know
whether
they're
from
Cal
City
or
if
they're
from
Clifton,
you
know.
So
it's
it's
it's
one
of
those
things
where
it's
it's
really
unmanaged
right
now
and
we
don't
know
that
could
be
coming
from
manteno
so
or
they
could
be
coming
from
rural
area.
So
we
don't
know
who's
putting
electronics
in
these
places.
So
it's
hard
to
pack
down.
H
You
know
how
much
each
municipality
and
the
county
and
everybody
if
we
were
to
get
to
get
together.
How
much
should
everybody
pay?
The
other
thing
is:
is
they're
not
manned?
There's
nobody
working
at
these
sites,
so
you
know
it's
just
all
hours
of
the
day,
all
hours
of
the
night,
you
know
if
they
I,
don't
think
Kankakee
has
a
fence
around
it.
Yes,.
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D
Yes,
we
have
to
tell
somewhere
near
January
to
opt
out
I.
Think
I
could
get
you
a
better
date
on
that
I'm
sure
you
can't
wait
till
December
31st
to
opt
out,
but,
yes,
you
can
opt
out.
We
can't
negotiate
intergovernmental
agreement
with
the
municipalities
or
get
the
system
to
our
liking.
We
can
opt
out
okay,.
H
And
so
that
was
my
comment
to
the
mayor's
on
our
last
meeting
was
is,
maybe
we
should
opt
in.
You
obviously
bring
it
to
the
committee
for
the
decision,
but
maybe
the
smart
move
is
to
opt
in
and
figure
out
what
the
lay
of
the
land
is
over
the
next
few
months
and
see.
If
we
can
get
this
together
and
if
we
can't,
then
we
opt
out,
but
we've
missed
a
whole
year.
D
And
the
county
can
opt
in.
In
fact,
if
we're
even
considering
this,
we
should
opt
in
because
the
time
four
weeks
before
we
get
there
can
always
opt
out
the
week
after,
if
you
want
to,
but
we
should
opt
in
the
second
page
in
your
packet
kind
of
explains
what
Karma's
currently
been
doing
and
what
I
think
the
new
system
would
look
like
right
now,
they're
bringing
in
about
three
hundred
twenty-nine
thousand
pounds
of
electronics
a
year
had
a
total
cost
of
one
hundred
and
fifty
three
thousand
dollars.
D
Eighty
six
for
the
pickup
cost
the
manpower
to
operate
the
site
load,
the
trucks
cetera
67,000
under
the
Sira
program
that
column
for
yearly
cost
a
pick
up
would
be
eliminated
and,
assuming
you
kept
your
hours
of
operation,
the
same
days
of
operation
and
we
had
similar
amounts
of
tonnage
being
picked
up.
The
program
would
cost
around
$70,000
a
year
and
that
comes
out
to
about
every
person
in
Kankakee
County
paid
their
fair
share
about
61
cents,
a
person
per
year.
Yes,.
H
That
just
reminded
me
of
something
that
I
mentioned
this
to
the
mayor's
to
and
was
going
about.
This
committee
feels
about
it,
but
why
not
have
it
open
all
day
on
Saturday
and
that
that's
your
that's
your
collection
day,
because
you
want
somebody
there
to
know
where
the
stuff
is
coming
from.
So
it
is.
You
have
to
pay
for
somebody
if
you
want
to
actually
document
that
we
don't
have
people
from
Indiana
coming
over
here
and
just
dumping,
their
electronics
here
or
worse.
H
D
Right
that
all
needs
to
be
negotiated,
obviously,
the
more
days
you're
open,
the
more
cost
you're
gonna
have
specially.
If
it's
a
man's
site,
if
it's
not
a
man's
site,
then
you
really
can't
control
who's,
dropping
off
and
I
looked
at
various
other
counties,
there's
68
counties
that
are
already
in
the
Sarah
program
from
last
year
and
they're
all
over
the
place.
Some
of
them
are
open
one
day
a
week.
Some
of
them
are
open
seven
days
a
week.
Some
of
them
have
big
recycling
centers
that
takes
all
kinds
of
recycling,
not
just
electronics,
others.
D
Others
are
actually
there's
a
few
that
are
only
open
a
couple
times
a
month.
It
just
depends
on
how
you
want
to
fit
the
program
to
meet
our
own
needs.
Some
of
them
do
charge
for
televisions
and
computer
monitors
up
to
a
somewhere
between
eighty
fifteen
and
thirty
five
dollar
charge,
depending
on
the
county.
Those.
D
At
this
point,
as
I
said,
we'd
have
to
pick
up
that
or
put
together
that
that
part
of
the
program-
I,
don't
know
how
many
days
a
week,
the
municipalities
in
the
county
would
like
to
have
it
open
if
they're
done.
If
they
want
to
put
restrictions
that
you
must
be
a
resident,
you
know
I
thought
that
all
affects
the
cost,
because,
if
you're
going
to
have
IDs,
you
obviously
have
to
have
somebody
there
standing
at
the
gate.
Checking
those
IDs.
Is
that
worth
it
I?
D
D
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H
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A
D
E
Okay
good
morning,
if
you
recall
back
in
March
of
2019
I
brought
to
you,
the
Courthouse
Square
landscaping
plan
to
go
forward
for
CLG
grant.
At
that
time,
you
approved
it
to
move
forward.
We
were
not
quite
prepared
to
move
forward
at
a
time.
So
now
we
are
coming
back
because
now
we're
better
prepared
we're
ready
to
apply
for
the
2020
CLG
grant,
which
should
happen
in
the
next
couple
months.
Where
we
get
the
application
we
did
send
out
rfqs
at
that
time.
In
2019
we
had
four
architectural
firms
apply.
E
We
interviewed
and
the
Historic
Preservation
discussed
it
at
length
and
recommends
site
design
group.
They
we
felt
they
were
the
best
qualified
had
the
best
they
were
working
with
us
because,
with
the
CLG
grant,
we
have
to
work
on
the
the
cost
now
to
apply
for
the
grant
and
they're
willing
to
work
with
us
to
do
this
in
phases,
because
we're
never
going
to
be
able
to
get
it
done
through
the
whole
thing
on
one
shot
most
likely
because
there's
no
guarantee
what
the
state
the
Fed.
E
It's
federal
grant
money
that
runs
through
the
state
and
there's
no
guarantee
on
how
much
they
will
approve
us
for
so
we're.
Looking
for
recommended
we're
recommending
the
site
group
site,
Design
Group,
just
looking
for
your
approval
to
go
ahead
and
accept
them
so
that
we
can
move
forward
with
negotiating
on
the
price
and
applying
for
the
CLG
grant
for
2020.
Okay,.
A
I
A
E
H
E
H
A
K
Just
had
a
couple
today,
so
our
second
quarter
for
the
world
transit
fiscal
year
ended
December,
31st
and
so
the
second
quarter,
October
1st
through
December
31st.
We
had
ten
thousand
four
hundred
and
thirty
five
trips,
so
this
quarter
was
a
little
bit
below
the
same
time
last
year,
but
in
comparing
the
first
half
of
this
fiscal
year
in
the
first
half
of
last
fiscal
year
it
was
about
even
the
program
expenses
for
second
quarter.
K
One
hundred
eighty
thousand
five
hundred
eighty
eight
dollars
and
eighty
eight
eighty
seven
cents
now
is
about
on
par
with
last
quarter
was
some
other
things
with
transit.
I
dot
is
working
on
unrolling
a
new
application
process
for
the
upcoming
fiscal
year.
So,
as
we
get
started
on
applications,
they've
got
some
trainings
for
us
and
webinars
that
are
scheduled
for
that.
K
In
January,
like
every
year,
we
send
out
letters
of
interest
to
transportation
providers
from
the
area
of
who's
interested
in
providing
transit
service
show
bus
was
the
only
one
that
responded.
That's
been
typical
for
pretty
much
some
time,
they've
been
providing
real
transit
service
in
the
county
since
nineteen.
Ninety
nine.
The
last
item
I
had
was
that
I
dot
recently
released
a
new
capital
manual,
and
so
we're
working
with
show
bus
were
reviewing
the
requirements
of
that
for
our
bus.
K
Shelter
grants
so
hopefully
coming
up
shortly
will
be
able
to
do
our
RFP
for
for
the
bus,
shelters.
I
K
It's
I
guess
it's
the
same,
but
if
you
were
to
usually
what
I
like
to
do
is
divide
it
in
half,
if
it
was
someone
going
from
their
house
to
whether
it
be
a
doctor's
office,
grocery
shopping
and
back,
that
would
be
two
trips,
so
maybe
5,000
individuals
ish.
But
again
you
can
also
get
into
the
complexities
of
trip
chaining.
So
if
someone
goes
from
their
house
to
a
doctor's
office
to
grocery
store
to
another
grocery
store
back
home,
that
would
be
four
or
four
or
five
trips.
K
I
can't
say.
I
do
have
that
on
the
demand
response
service,
we
did
have
4050
five
trips.
So
that's
our
dial-a-ride
service
that
most
individuals
use
for
things
like
doctor's
appointments,
and
then
we
did
have
six
thousand
three
hundred
and
eighty
trips
on
the
moments
can
get
around.
So
those
are
more
work
based
trips.
A
Any
questions
on
the
update,
okay,
ba
renown,
that's
it
for
you
jack!
Thank
you!
Thank
you.
Mr.
Holsten
I
mean
okay,
anything
anything
under
ole
business
here
today,
anything
under
new
business,
three
openings
on
a
Kankakee
County,
Regional,
Planning
Commission.
They
have
to
be
a
board
member
or
anybody
Daubert,
mr.
Skidmore,
okay,
those
are
being
advertised
for
no
okay,
okay
motion
to
adjourn
okay,
misspoke,
mr.
Paulk,
there's
Peters,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
motion
carries
have
a
good
day
thanks
for
coming.