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Planning, Zoning & Agriculture Committee Meeting 6/21/2023 9:00 AM
A
Good
morning,
everyone
welcome
to
the
pza
meeting
for
Wednesday
June
21st.
We
did
a
roll
call,
Michelle
Mr.
B
A
Okay,
thank
you,
I,
don't
believe
we
have
any
public
comment.
I
haven't
been
notified
of
any
so
we'll
move
on
to
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
May
17th
get
a
motion:
okay,
Mr
Swanson!
Second,
by
Mr
long,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
oppose
same
sign.
Motion
carries
okay.
Next
up
we
have
the
building
report
from
May
2023.
You
get
a
motion
to
approve
it:
okay,
that's
Mr,
Miller,
okay,
that's
direct
off!
Okay,
okay,
go
ahead;
download,
oh
yeah!
They
have
a
mic.
C
Yes,
as
loud
as
my
voice
is
they
need
the
microphone
for
the
recording
in
your
packet.
You
should
have
the
building
report
for
May
2023.
We
issued
three
new
home
permits.
C
D
Do
we
do
we
usually
do
that
for
like
real
estate
transactions?
Do
we
have
an
ordinance
for
that
in
the
county?
It's
actually
a
state
law,
okay
right,
but
so
we
pay
the
because
this
is
the
first
time
I
think
I've
actually
seen
on
your
report.
So
like
fire
districts,
they
go
ahead
and
get
smoke,
detection
or
smoke
inspections.
The
county
does
as
well.
No,
we
do
it
when.
C
A
Okay,
no
don't
work
with
any
more
questions
for
Dell.
Oh
probably,
none
Let's
get
a
Voice
vote,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
opposed
same
sign.
Okay,
thank
you.
Okay.
Next
up
is
storm
water
ms4
program
discussion,
though.
C
Yeah,
just
like
every
month,
our
ms4
program
I'm
required
to
ask
the
committee
if
they
have
any
storm
water
issues
that
they'd
like
to
discuss.
C
That's
it.
We
did
get
our
I
think
I
mentioned.
Last
month
we
went
through
our
review
on
that
and
passed.
A
Okay:
next
up,
we
got
the
commissioning
plan
bond
for
bourbon
Bourbonnais.
C
Yeah
Urban
a
number
one:
it's
a
Community
solar
garden
up
in
at
6000
North
Road,
Bourbonnais
Illinois,
which
is
right
corner
of
like
6000
Career
Center
in
that
general
area.
There.
The
decommissioning
bond
is
in
the
amount
of
184
150.93.
A
C
Same
well,
the
decommissioning
plans
themselves,
they're
itemized,
to
be
the
same
items.
The
numbers
do
change.
Okay,
we
will
likely
keep
bringing
the
bonds
to
this
committee
unless
I
hear
differently
from
the
State's
Attorney's
Office.
Okay,.
A
No
Mr
Wheeler.
F
Yes,
Mr
chairman
and
while
you
were
gone
and
I'm
not
sure
if,
if
this
has
impact
on
that,
but
the
trailer
bill
address
decommissioning
plans
as
well,
so
we
probably
they're
not
all
going
to
be
cut
and
dried
okay,
because
we
don't
have
to
guess
on
what
scrap
value
is
going
to
be
any
okay,
so
I
think
that
may
be
what
kind
of
what
you're
referring
to
the
other
stuff.
We
still
don't
see
because
we
don't
permit
it
this
way.
It
does.
Does.
E
C
Make
sense
yeah,
okay,
thank
you,
I
know
under
the
new
legislation,
even
with
the
but
they're
they're,
adding
the
scrap
value
back
into
it,
but
that's
really
at
the
discrepancy
of
a
determination
of
the
state.
C
A
A
All
right:
okay,
whatever
get
a
motion
to
approve
the
decommissioning
plan
and
everybody
read
through
it,
I'm
sure
they're,
all
the
same:
okay,
Mr
long,
okay,
Mr
Swanson.
Second,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye,
aye
opposed
same
sign,
carries
okay;
okay,
we're
gonna
talk
about
presentation
on
abandoned,
dilapidated
rural
properties.
That
Mr
skimmerhorn
has
something
for
us
on.
That
he's
got
a
PowerPoint.
C
Yeah
it's
fairly
short,
but
last
month
chairman
wheeler
asked
that
I
do
a
presentation
on
abandoned
structures
as
part
of
our
ongoing
training
course.
So
we'll
get
started
with
that.
First,
let's
start
with
definitions.
C
Most
people
call
them
abandoned
structures,
but
we
rarely
classify
one
as
an
abandoned
structure,
because
for
that
to
happen,
there
can
be
no
apparent
owner
to
be
located
and
taxes
have
to
be
unpaid
for
two
years
and
we
have
vacant
structures.
That's
any
structure
that
is
unoccupied
or
unused
a
vacant
structure
is
not
a
violation,
provided
it's
secure
and
maintained.
C
Majority
of
our
abandoned
structure
calls
do
fall
into
that
category.
Then
there's
dilapidated
structure,
which
is
any
structure
through
neglect
or
injury,
lacks
necessary
repairs
or
otherwise
in
a
state
of
decay
or
partial
ruin,
to
an
extent
that
the
structure
is
a
hazard
to
the
health
safety
and
Welfare
of
the
General
Public
I,
always
reiterate,
ugly
is
not
a
violation.
A
C
That's
over
on
Laurel
Lane.
We
actually
just
got
court-ordered
demo
demolish
that
one
nice.
Okay,
this
is
a
vacant
structure.
The
history
on
that
one
was
that
the
owner
had
passed
away
and
had
no
errors,
I
believe
I
think
we
actually
did
find
a
a
son
who
is
probably
cleaning
it
up
now,
but
there
was
no
apparent
errors
to
take
over
the
property
at
the
time.
C
C
C
Our
basic
process
the
office
finds
out
about
it,
we're
notified
somehow
usually
by
complaint
from
a
neighbor.
We
verify
that
violations
exist.
Then
we
only
we
cut
we're
required
to
contact
the
owner
in
writing
about
the
violation,
providing
them
with
a
deadline.
What
the
violation
is
State
any
potential
fees
and
fines
and
telling
them
what
must
be
done
to
correct
the
situation.
C
If
they're
cooperative
list
of
actions
is
created
and
a
schedule
is
developed
to
bring
the
property
into
compliance
if
they're
uncooperative,
we
turn
it
over
to
the
state's
attorney
for
legal
action.
That's
very
basic
of
the
process,
but
that's
the
process
that
one
I
told
you
about
over
on
Laurel
Lane
for
an
emergency
demolition
order.
We
asked
for
in
October.
We
finally
got
it
last
week.
That
was
an
emergency
order,
so
this
process
takes
time
limitations,
funding
to
board
up
a
building,
takes
about
three
thousand
dollars
per
building.
C
These
are
average
costs
to
demolish
around
eighteen
thousand
per
building,
and
our
budget
for
any
of
this
stuff
is
zero.
Now,
when
we
find
an
owner,
we
can
try
to
get
them
to
do
both
of
these.
Sometimes
we
do
sometimes
we
don't
time
takes
time
to
do
this.
There's
a
lot
of
man,
hours
involved
with
the
phone
calls
and
Reporting
and
keeping
track
of
everything
we
say
and
do
for
the
court
cases
that,
because
we
have
to
assume
every
one
of
them,
is
going
to
a
court,
so
we
build
our
file
accordingly.
C
I
have
one
code
enforcement
officer
for
680
square
miles
and
106
abandoned
structures
and
of
course
the
state's
attorney
has
two
attorneys
that
support
us
and
they
also
have
very
many
other
things
to
do
the
courts.
As
I
said,
the
courts
can
be
slow,
tedious
to
navigate
and
a
lot
of
times
we
fall
short
of
any
of
imposing
any
substantial
fines.
C
I
remember
one
that
had
fines
into
the
probably
nearing
ten
thousand
dollars
and
we
ended
up
with
1500
of
it
is
all
we
ended
up
with
okay.
So,
of
course,
if
we
were
to
do
all
of
these,
if
we
just
secured,
all
of
them
would
be
318
000
and
to
tear
them
all
down
would
be
probably
about
1.6
million.
So
you
can
see
there
there's
a
huge
and
that
doesn't
include
you,
know
legal
fee
staff
time
any
buying
out
of
the
property
any
environmental
issues.
If
you
find
asbestos
in
it,
that
number
can
double.
C
C
C
C
No
courts
are
slow
in
general,
we
try
to
get
the
property
secured.
That's
that's
our
number
one
goal
secured
so
that
children
don't
get
in
there
and
that
they
don't
become
a
Haven
for
rodents
and
animals
most
of
the
time
they
become
vacant
and
run
down
because
the
owner
died
and
there
is
no
owner.
C
If
you
wait
long
enough,
usually
a
couple
of
years,
it
either
gets
sold
for
taxes,
and
somebody
gets
it
that
way.
If
there's
a
bank
involved,
sometimes
they'll
do
something
usually
once
it
changes
hands
the
new
owners
do
something
with
it,
but
that
can
take
a
couple
of
years
process
to
do
that.
C
E
C
It's
not
all
in
one
place:
there's
information
in
the
adopted
IRC
building
codes
about
how
to
handle
dilapidated,
abandoned
structures
and
Terry
Gowdy
State's
Attorney's
office
is
far
more
schooled
at
this,
but
there
is
a
state
statute
under
housing
that
also
covers
it,
which
is
the
statute
we
used
for
the
one
on
Laurel,
because
there's
a
whole
process
about
notifications
and
posting
and
all
that
stuff
that
you
have
to
do.
Thank
you.
Okay,
I
can
get
you
that
probably
Mr
Wheeler.
Okay,
thank.
F
C
Say
at
least
50
are
salvageable
they're
just
run
down
and
unoccupied
structurally
they're
they're
sound
and
you
know
just
need
new
siding.
You
know
remodeling,
it's
possible
now,
are
they
in
a
location
that
would
benefit
the
land
bank
I
I?
Don't
a
lot
of
them
are
not
necessarily
you
know
if
it's
out
in
the
back
woods,
can
the
land
bank
work
with
it?
I
don't
know.
I
have
turned
that
list
over
to
Montel
at
the
land
bank
he's
going
through
it.
I,
don't
know
where
he's
at
on
it.
C
F
To
me,
that's
the
low
hanging
fruit,
because
if
you've
got
fines
and
fees,
you
can
wipe
those
off
with
a
land
bank
even
back
taxes
as
long
as
it's
less
than
20
grand
more
money
ahead.
As
far
as
two
governmental
entities,
you
see
my
point,
yeah.
C
C
A
Okay,
we
had
that
one
time
we
everybody
brought
a
list
in
and
I
brought
in
two
and
some
guys
had.
Somebody
had
20
20
of
them
right,
25
in
their
District.
So
but
the
one
in
my
district
kind
of
lean
on
the
owner
a
little
bit.
They've
boarded
it
up,
but
the
problem
is
the
neighbor
keeps
mowing
the
grass,
so
you
can't
ticket
them
for
the
grass
being
too
high
I
keep
telling
them
don't
mow
the
grass
you
know,
but
anyway
somebody
did
buy
it
now
to
fix
it
up
to
rehab
it.
A
G
Yeah
good
morning
Delbert,
you
know
I
had
mentioned
to
you
about
a
property
out
on
114..
Did
we
get
that?
Did
the
owner
ever
do
anything
to
correct
that.
C
Issue
we
contacted
the
owner,
he
was
talking
about
getting
a
demolition
permit
to
take
it
down
to
the
foundation.
I,
don't
know
if
we've
issued
that
yet
or
not,
okay,
and
then
he's
going
to
put
a
fence
around
it
to
keep
people
out
yeah.
G
Because
it
was
dangerous.
C
C
G
E
A
C
C
C
Generally,
if
there's
only
one
applicant,
we
do
not
interview
I
interview,
but
we
don't
bring
them
before
the
PCA.
Okay,
except
two,
a
point:
it's
the
appointments
are
on
the
recommendation
of
the
chairman,
so
I'm
sure
that
Andy
also
talks
to
them
and
interviews
them.
I.
A
A
Sorry
David,
as
move
him
to
chairman
I,
don't
believe
he
had
a
vice
chairman.
Yet,
though,.
C
Dave
DeYoung
is
currently
the
vice
chair
and
we'd
like
to
move
him
up
to
the
chairman.
I
have
contacted
the
other
members
about
being
Vice
chairman
and
I.
Haven't
gotten
back
to
me
yet,
okay,
so
we'll.
A
Been
there
quite
a
while
he's
very
well
versed
in
what's
going
on
so
and
he's
got
a
really
real
nice.
He
comes
and
gets
involved.
So
he's
a
good
guy
to
have
there
as
the
chairman.
So
we
gotta
get
a
motion
in
a
second
Mr
eckoff
Mrs
Webber,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
oppose
same
sign.
Okay,
all
right!
Now,
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
one.
F
I
just
want
to
mention
in
this
process
we
found
that
the
board
appoints
the
chair
and
vice
chair
for
the
zba.
Typically,
it's
we
always
talk
to
the
people
Dell,
as
you
know,
who
have
been
there,
the
longest
But.
Ultimately,
the
Board
needs
to
know
they
choose
the
vice
chair
and
the
chairman,
and
that's
it's
not
appointed
by
the
board
itself.
It's
Eva!
It's
something
here.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
was
clear
because
we,
as
we
were
going
through.
We
didn't
know
that
yeah.
A
F
A
A
A
C
Not
true
at
all,
okay
yeah,
all
right!
Well,
I,
don't
know
they
are
vetted
by
me
and
Mr
or
chairman
wheeler,
yeah,
and
the
name
become
comes
forward
to
here
then
we're
we
vetted
it
and
we're
okay
with
them.
Otherwise
you
won't
see
it
if
there's
only
one
just
want
to
make
sure
that.
A
F
E
A
Okay,
historic
preservation
and
planning
Dallas
is
that
Michelle
gonna.
C
A
B
So
we
usually
back
in
2019
I
think
was
the
last
time
we
filed
an
application
for
CLG
Grant
because
of
covid
the
state's
been
behind.
This
is
a
first
year
since
then
that
they've
done
it.
We
went
ahead
and
applied
because
of
the
time
frame.
There
is
no
money
from
the
county,
it's
a
70
30
match,
but
it's
all
in-kind
services,
so
I
just
wanted
to.
Let
you
know
that
we
did
apply.
We
won't
hear
for
probably
a
couple
months
yet
on
whether
we
get
it.
B
We
will
obviously
bring
it
back
here
when
we
do
get
that
Grant,
because
we
would
need
you
to
approve
the
agreements.
So
it's
more
or
less
just
an
informational
thing.
We
will
be
doing.
If
we
we
receive
this
grant.
We
will
be
doing
a
survey
of
Junior
Township
for
historic
sites.
We've
already
done
moments
and
pilot.
So
our
goal
is
to
eventually
get
all
of
the
townships,
but
it
is
a
tedious,
slow
going
project.
E
B
F
Being
that
the
it's
a
a
governing
body,
you
know
this
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
how
they
interact
with
it
like
it's
for
approvals
of
sites
and
things
like
that,
and
it
may
be
something
you
got
to
research.
I
was
just
it's
something:
that's
come
up
in.
B
The
last
week,
so
we
do
have
some
properties
in
Bourbonnais
and
in
the
city
of
Kankakee
that
are
landmarked.
We
have
an
intergovernmental
agreement
with
them.
So
anytime
someone
comes
from
municipality
that
wants
to
Landmark
a
property.
They
we
have
to
have
an
intergovernmental
agreement
with
that
jurisdiction.
B
The
city
of
Kankakee
is
a
blanket
one.
We
don't
have
to
keep
going
back
to
the
board.
It's
it's
a
blanket
one.
B
F
So
they,
if
you
know
Saint
Anne,
wants
to
do
this
as
well.
They
have
to
do
an
IGA
with
the
county
in
order
to
be
able
to
Landmark
at
all
correct.
A
Okay,
Dell:
we
have
an
update
from
you
on
the
multi-jurisdictional
National
Hazard
mitigation
plan,
yeah.
C
We've
been
working
on
this
for
several
months:
I
can
tell
you
it's
complete
nice
and
thick
almost
like
you
like
to
see,
got
our
money's
worth
out
of
it.
This
thing
is
huge
great
late.
Our
nighttime
reading
is
that
mine,
yeah,
we'll
put
you
to
sleep.
Would
you
like
a
copy,
but
it's
also
available
on
our
website.
C
C
Complete
we
had
the
public
hearing
back
about
three
weeks
ago
and
the
plan
was
in
public
comment
period
up
until
last
Wednesday.
C
We
received
no
comments
on
the
plan,
so,
as
of
yesterday,
it
was
sent
off
to
Illinois
Emergency
Management
agency
and
the
Federal
Emergency
Management
Agency
for
their
review
and
approval
once
they
are
done
with
it.
Any
changes
that
they
suggest
or
recommend
will
be
completed,
and
then
it
will
become
before
the
County
board
for
final
approval.
C
C
Yes,
as
they
there
there's
each
different
there's
three
or
four
different
grants
that
some
of
these
things
that
are
listed
in
this
plan,
maybe
five
or
six
and
each
one
has
different
schedules.
Some
of
them.
You
have
to
have
your
Grant
application
by
March,
others,
it's
open,
you
can
do
it
anytime.
So
once
the
plan's
approved
and
adopted,
then
the
County
Board
can
start
looking
at
which
grants
they
want
to
apply
for
and
get
on
those
schedules
for
that.
Okay,
so
each
municipality
involved
also
must
adopt
it.
Otherwise
they
can't
apply
for
the
grants
either.
C
C
Will
bring
his
recommendations?
I
just
wanted
to
give
everybody
an
update
on
it,
the
I'm
not
anticipating
any
changes
from
Aima
or
FEMA,
but
if
they
do,
then
those
will
have
to
be
incorporated
in
there
and
once
that
is
completed
and
we've
gone
back
and
forth
with
that,
then
it
comes
to
the
county
board.
So
we're
probably
looking
at
September.
Okay,
like
I,
said
it
could
be
three
to
six
months.
C
One
thing
that
is
interesting
with
this
is
that
the
rules
changed
about
halfway
through
US
writing
this
plan
and
our
Consultants
had
a
good
grasp
on
what
FEMA
and
Naima
will
be
looking
for,
but
not
100
percent.
So
there
may
be.
We
are
kind
of
the
guinea
pigs
on
this
and
we
are
the
first
ones,
I
think
to
be
turning
ours
in
under
the
new
rules.
So
because
of
that,
we
may
see
a
few
changes
that
are
going
to
get
recommended.
A
H
Like
to
open
with
I'm
very
disappointed
that
all
of
you
missed
the
purple
Memo
from
the
planning
department,
it
went
around,
I
saw
it
in
the
building.
So
oh
so
this
is
so
we've
got,
we've
got
I
guess
one
thing:
first,
there's
gonna
be
a
webinar
series
for
hmgp,
which
is
the
hazard
medication
grant
program
that
will
drop
in
the
fall,
so
hopefully
ours
will
be
approved
and
then
we'll
see
the
webinar
for
the
fall
series
there's
in
20.
H
So
in
2023
they
announced
kind
of
two
tranches,
so
hopefully
we'll
get
ours
approved
and
then
be
able
to
look
for
funds
immediately
after
that.
So
that
could
be
really
good,
so
kind
of
dovetailing
with
abandoned
vacant
properties.
We
have
an
initiative
that
is
going
through
the
Enterprise
Zone
to
look
at
Housing,
Development
and
housing
rehabilitation
in
an
effort
to
satisfy
some
of
the
needs.
The
business
Community
is
telling
us
about
bringing
people
to
Kankakee
County
and
a
distinct
lack
of
available
housing
stock.
So
out
of
some
work
with
the
economic
Alliance.
H
So
when
you
talk
about
an
Enterprise
Zone,
we've
historically
added
commercial
industrial
areas
to
the
Enterprise
Zone,
and
in
order
to
make
this
effective,
we
kind
of
have
to
do
three
things.
So
we
have
to
add
property
that
would
make
sense
to
develop
for
residential,
because
we
want
to
add
about
2
000
Acres
that
takes
us
above
our
statutory
cap.
So
then
we
have
to
delete
some
territory,
and
then
we
have
to
do
a
technical
correction
of
the
zone
to
amend
the
benefits.
H
Currently,
the
way
the
ordinance
and
intergovernmental
agreements
read,
it
would
be
that
we
offer
this
benefit
to
Industrial
and
Commercial
Property.
So
one
of
the
added
pieces
in
the
current
ordinance
is
to
create
a
condition
where
Residential
Properties,
where
they're
investing
more
than
50
percent
of
the
fair
market
value
of
the
current
condition
of
the
property
could
qualify
and
what
that
does
for
us
is
a
couple
things.
It
allows
us
to
use
a
standard,
that's
pretty
congruent
with
other
activities.
We
do
in
housing.
H
So
if
you
have
a
substantial
rehab
above
50,
you
have
to
bring
everything
up
to
code.
If
your
property
is
flooded
and
it's
north
of
50,
you
have
to
do
certain
mitigation
efforts,
so
we
thought
it
was
a
way
to
not
use
some
sort
of
you
know
kind
of
arbitrary
percentage
or
dollar
figure.
It
does,
however,
create
a
condition
where,
if
you
bought
a
property
for
say
let's
say
twenty
thousand
dollars,
you
know
the
fair
market
value
of
twenty
thousand
dollars.
H
You
wouldn't
have
to
invest
a
ton
of
money,
but
our
goal
would
be
somebody
who's,
not
paying
taxes
and
get
a
piece
of
property.
Well,
sorry,
that
property
is
not
paying
taxes,
a
potential
taxpayer
buys
it
invests
enough
money
to
meet
that
standard
and
then
get
somebody
in
there
to
pay
taxes.
So
all
of
this
kind
of
crams
together
in
what
is
an
amendment
to
our
Enterprise
Zone.
H
So
what
we're
requesting
approval
on
today
is
we
need
to
amend
the
the
IGA
between
the
county
and
the
in
the
cities,
the
city
and
Villages,
and
also
to
pass
an
ordinance.
So
we
have
an
ordinance
to
to
an
ordinance
amending
a
previous
ordinance
and
then
a
resolution
allowing
the
chairman
to
execute
the
amended
intergovernmental
agreement.
H
You
can
see
in
the
map
we've
added
territories
in
the
towns
and
and
outside
of
the
towns.
Most
of
these
are
driven
by
two
two
things,
so
we
use
Dell's
assessment
of
our
rural
properties
to
to
create
the
rural
areas
we
looked
at
what
is
available
property?
It
could
be
easily
developed
so
not
necessarily
vacant
or
derelict
or
dilapidated,
but
also
just
somebody
who
might
have
built
a
road
and
opened
up
eight
or
ten
lots
that
didn't
finish
a
lot.
H
So
we
added
the
remainder,
the
lots
and
then
we
met
with
the
towns
and
did
a
similar
activity.
Where
do
you
see
your
your
growth
happening?
I
will
say
we're
adding
quite
a
bit
of
territory.
We're
added
we're
adding
territory
that
probably
eclipses
our
Zone
life.
I
I
would
love
to
see.
You
know,
Manteno,
add
an
extra.
H
You
know
Thousand
Acres
of
residential
development
over
the
next
15
years,
but
that
would
be
an
aggressive
amount
of
development,
but
it
allows
us
to
kind
of
do
this
in
one
shot
and
then
not
be
back,
adding
50
acres
and
50
acres
and
50
acres.
So
this
process
we
go
through
a
hearing.
All
of
the
jurisdictions
are
passing
the
the
ordinance
in
IGA
manteno's.
H
Past
moments
has
passed
I'm
relatively
certain
that
mayor
Hodge
was
able
to
pass
and
we're
working
with
legal
counsel
in
in
Grand,
Park
and
I
think
they
were
able
to
go
go
forward.
So
we
kind
of
wanted
everything.
Let's
hide
with
the
ball
around
it
we'll
submit
the
application
to
the
state
of
Illinois.
They
have
45
days
to
review
that
application
and
give
comment,
and
then
they
have
45
days
from
that
day
to
approve
it
so
essentially
90
days
for
us
to
get
up
and
running
with
this
new
territory.
H
The
one
thing
I
do
want
to
point
out,
and
this
was
discussed
at
the
city
of
Momence,
any
of
the
jurisdictions
that
have
passed
a
resolution
to
agree
to
Abate
property
taxes.
Previously
we'll
we'll
be
reapproached.
If
the
jurisdiction
sees
they
want
to
so
we're
not
binding
a
school
district
who
said
in
2014
yeah,
we
we
agree,
we
want
to
do
commercial,
industrial
that
they
would
then
have
to
do
Residential.
H
We
would
have
to
go
back
to
that
that
school
district
and
ask
them
for
that
benefit
so
that
way,
they're
not
potentially
losing
taxes.
I
I
do
want
to
point
out
the
one
thing:
if
a
property
is
paying
a
hundred
dollars
in
taxes
right
now,
because
it's
vacant-
and
we
add
a
six
thousand
dollar
tax
bill-
the
first
year
would
be
a
hundred.
The
second
year
would
be
20
of
that
six
thousand
dollar
tax
bill
and
and
then
40
and
in
60
and
80
and
back
to
100.
H
So
there's
never
really
any
lost
value
there.
But
it
was
a
conversation
that
came
up
and
I
based
on
the
way
that
we
approach
the
taxing
districts
previously
I,
don't
think
it
would
be
fair
to
bind
and
I,
don't
know
again,
I'm,
not
obviously
not
our
attorney,
but
we
would
have
to
reapproach
them.
So
I
know
that
mayor
Nugent
has
talked
with
his
taxing
districts
in
Manteno,
because
he
wants
that
to
offer
the
large
debatement
possible
if
the
other
jurisdictions
don't
feel
they
want
to
do
that.
H
That
is
their
prerogative,
but
I
feel
like
this
is
a
community-based
decision.
If,
if
Hopkins
Park
wants
to
approach
their
their
Township
and
their
Library
District
and
their
you
know
and
get
additional
taxes
abated
they're
more
than
welcome
to
do
that,
but
it's
not
necessarily
a
guarantee
and
really
in
our
Zone
currently
moment,
School
junior
Township
and
then
the
Manteno
suite
are
the
only
ones
that
offer
property
tax
abatement
outside
of
the
five
communities
that
make
the
the
Enterprise
Zone.
H
So
so,
in
in
the
middle
of
this
process,
the
general
assembly
during
veto
passed
an
additional
five
square
miles
to
each
Enterprise
Zone.
So
we
wouldn't
have
met
our
15-mile
cap
because
we,
we
don't
have
a
20
mile
cap,
the
what
we've
over
proposing
because
of
the
way
the
hearing
was
structured,
is
we've
already
asked
to
reduce
that
size
within
the
hearing.
The
ordinances
are
drafted
that
way,
so
we're
just
proceeding
with
that.
H
If
there
were
instances
that
came
up
where
we
needed
to
add
territory,
we
could
do
that
with
the
state.
You
know
just
to
go
back
to
application
the
territory
we're
removing.
We
removed
no
territory
from
any
town,
but
North
Manteno.
H
That
was
the
only
area
where
we
reduced
property
and
we
reduced
it
by
about
two
and
a
half
square
miles.
So
that's
how
we
kind
of
got
that
back
to
balance,
so
we
will
be
at
just
under
15
square
miles
total,
but
we'll
have
another
five
square
miles
now
to
work
with.
F
A
H
But
the
so
the
existing
ordinance
falls
off
because
it's
replaced
by
this.
So
this
is
an
ordinance
amending
the
previous
ordinance.
This
will
become
the
ordinance
I
just
said
ordinance
like
nine
times,
but
so
yeah
that
you,
but
what
we
have
is
that
gives
us
one
governing
document.
We
have
an
ordinance
and
a
companion,
companion,
IGA,
and
we
that
way
we
don't
have
a
series
of
documents
we
just
every
time
the
new
one
becomes,
the
one
and
the
other
one's
just
kind
of
fall
off
as
a
defense.
You
know
kind
of
a
process,
yeah.
F
Also
could
could
I
read
the
list
here
because
obviously
there's
people
asking
about
their
municipalities
who's
in
it
moments,
Manteno
Grant,
Park,
Hopkins
Park
in
Kankakee
County.
This
is
the
County's
Enterprise
Zone
one
of
the
municipalities
in
these
cities.
If
you
will
the
Metro,
the
Metro
Enterprise
Zone
said
that
they
were
not
going
to
do
it,
they
want
the
sales
tax.
So
This
only
affects
the
I
want
to
say
the
rural
Zone,
not
the
one
in
yeah.
H
Metro
area,
and,
and
so
in
the
way
the
zones
are
structured,
Kankakee,
County,
Enterprise
Zone
offers
commercial
and
industrial
property,
so
commercial
added
for
abatement.
H
The
river
valley
Zone
only
offers
that
abatement
on
industrial
property,
so
it
seemed
to
make
sense
to
utilize
this
one
I
can
tell
you
if
this
is
successful,
we're
going
to
have
a
part
partner
right
here,
that's
going
to
be
very
interested
in
how
this
works
and
so
they're
going
to
likely
have
to
work
that
through
their
process,
but
yeah
we've
got
some
reluctance
from
one
of
the
Zone
members
in
the
river
valley
Zone
to
to
offer
this.
They
see
it
as
a
loss.
H
We
we
truly
see
it
as
as
a
benefit
in
in
every
other,
Avenue
and
and
frankly,
if
we
entice
a
regional
or
National
Builder,
they're
not
going
to
be
buying
their
building
materials
locally
they're
going
to
use
a
larger
company
and
they'll
bring
because
they
buy
it's.
It's
it's
like
bulk
wholesale.
You
know
if
you're
building,
50
homes
you're
not
buying
200
2x4s,
so
they'll
work
that
contract
to
get
the
past
best
possible
contract
and
then
they'll
probably
be
sourcing
them
and
out
out
of
an
area
with
the
lowest.
H
You
know
the
6.25
tax
rate
as
well,
so
we
won't
lose
any
real
benefit
from
that,
and
so
we're
we're
interested
to
see
how
this
works
but
I.
If
it's
successful
as
we
hope
it
will
be,
I
can
see
the
other
Zone
asking
for
a
similar
thing.
D
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
so
Ben
was
your
goal
to
go
ahead
and
try
to
get
like
empty
subdivisions
to
be
filled
up
by
the
end
of
you
know,
whatever
time
frame
or
what
was
the
goal
with
the
the
changes
to
the
Enterprise
Zone,
it's
a.
H
Kind
of
twofold,
so
we've
got
existing
subdivided
locations
that
are
already
lotted
out.
We've
got
I,
guess
threefold:
we've
got
a
you
know,
an
effort
in
Manteno,
where
there's
probably
larger
swaths
of
land.
That
mayor
Nugent
has
to
be
added.
That
haven't
been
subdivided
yet
and
then
there's
also
areas
what
would
be
I'm
going
to
call
them
abandoned
and
I'm
going
to
use
the
definition
that
Aida
uses
in
that.
H
So,
like
broken
windows,
you
know
missing
doors
like
not,
you
know,
so
what
we
would
call
vacant
or
dilapidated,
and
so
that
way
you
know
so
not
non-tax
Revenue,
generating
properties
all
the
way
through
virgin
land
adjacent
to
communities.
That's
within
their
Development
Area
I
mean
we
don't
want
to
add.
H
H
D
H
We
wouldn't
be
again
converting
virgin
land
to
do
this
correct,
but
there
is
a
there
is
some
proposed
territory
like
that
in
both
Hopkins
Park
and
Manteno,
but
they're
directly
adjacent
to
the
town
limits
or
within
the
town
limits.
D
No
hearing
news
so
so
I
guess
I'm
just
going
to
go
ahead
and
say
like
in
the
northern
portion
of
my
district
Prairie
subdivision,
just
north
northwest
of
Grand
Park
and
like
many
subdivision
as
well,
I
would
have
thought
would
be
a
part
of
this.
We.
H
D
H
D
H
I
think
it's
one
of
those
things
we
at
some
point
took
a
picture
and
tried
to
make
a
relatively
informed
decision
on
it
and
and
again
if
this
works,
and
we
need
to
make
a
boundary
amendments
to
that
for
other
areas.
We're
certainly
willing
to
I
think
that's
the
problem
with
adding
the
you
know,
territory
to
the
zone,
you
add
it
and
then
you
go
man
I
wish
we
had
added
another
20
acres
to
the
west
of
it
or
whatever,
but
that
we
have
the
ability
to
then
go
through
this
process.
H
It
isn't
it's
cumbersome,
but
it's
fortunately
not
terribly
expensive
for
us
to
do
it.
We
don't
have
a
bunch
of
direct
costs.
We
don't
use
a
third
party
consultant,
we
don't
spend
50
80
000
to
do
it.
We
just
do
it
in-house
with
the
planning
department
staff.
So
thank.
E
H
So
as
far
as
I
guess,
maybe
similar
to
the
previous
one,
we'd
have
a
20
mile
connecting
strip
to
add
two
or
three
lots
where,
because
that
zone
is
on
that
side
of
the
of
the
county,
the
other
Zone
includes
Herscher.
So
if
they're
going
to
amend
their
Zone,
we
would
expect
that
to
pick
up
the
the
west
side.
B
H
H
So
we
can't
even
get
to
some
areas
where
you
like
you'd
have
to
go
all
the
way
to
the
county
line
to
go
because
you
can't
you
can't
cross
a
body
of
water,
and
so
it's
like
do
you
have
to
use
the
roadways
or
Railways
or
things
like
that?
You
can't
just
draw
a
line
and
you
can't
cross
an
existing
zone
so
to
go
from
that
zone
to
get
over
to
Western
Kankakee
County.
We
would
be
using
20
30
miles
of
connecting
strip
to
potentially
add
one
or
two
parcels
and.
E
H
H
Under
the
statue,
The
Zone
must
be
contiguous.
So
one
of
the
ways
that
we
have
creatively
made
that
happen
is
we
use
a
line
and
one
and
a
half
feet
on
either
side
of
the
line.
So
they
say
the
minimum
width
would
be
three
feet
and
so
we'll
draw
a
line
down
the
center
line
of
a
road
or
the
center
line
of
a
railway,
or
sometimes
we
use
like
section
lines
because
they're
easier
to
write.
H
H
It
looks
very,
very
much
kind
of
spaghetti,
but
that's
a
kind
of
a
common
practice,
but
when
you
start
adding
acres
and
acres
and
Acres
via
connecting
strips,
we
try
and
kind
of
limit
that
now
rural
zones
are
that's
just
the
nature
of
it
and
we
went
when
we
added
her
shirt
to
the
river
river
valley.
Zone.
You
have
10
12
miles
of
connecting
strip.
H
That's
the
only
way
to
do
it,
but
then
that
the
other
side
of
that
is,
you
can't
run
any
Zone
through
any
territory
without
having
them
be
a
partner
and
it's
a
cautionary
tale
where,
if
you
run
through
a
town
and
you're
not
offering
Zone,
they
still
get
a
vote
on
your
board
and
so
and
the
way
this
the
zones
work,
and
this
is
very
important
for
the
members
involved.
Any
one
member
says
no
to
this.
This
doesn't
move
forward,
that's
it.
It
has
to
be
unanimous.
H
We
don't
have
those
types
of
problems.
I
can
tell
you.
There
are
zones
in
the
south
suburbs,
where
the
city
of
Harvey
didn't
vote
at
a
meeting
at
all
for
like
two
straight
years.
They
did
no
Zone.
Actually
they
couldn't
Amendment,
they
couldn't
amend
their
Zone.
They
couldn't
because
the
council
at
that
time
was
fighting
with
the
mayor,
but
they
just
wouldn't
they
weren't
on
board,
and
so
it's
it's
nice
to
add
Partners,
but
previously
they
can't
the
Kankakee
County
Zone
was
Manteno
in
Kankakee.
H
You
know
Genki
County,
sir,
and
so
we
with
two
you
know
Andy
talks
to
Tim
and,
and
we
have
an
agreement
now
we
have
to
bring
everybody
together
and
make
sure
everybody.
So
the
more
you
add
the
more
you
have
to
bring
to
the
table
and
then,
as
an
instance
in
the
river
valley
Zone.
If
one
member
is
saying
this
isn't
going
to
happen,
it's
not
passing
my
board,
that's
it's
dead
and
that
really
limits
your
ability
to
do
that.
So
it's
it's
good
to
add,
but
it
can
bring
some
complexity
to
the
zones.
E
G
I've
done,
it
looks
like
for
Pembroke
there's
four
areas
that
are
going
to
be
zoned
into
the
Enterprise
Zone,
the
yellow
areas
and
I
know
we
had
some
areas
already
designated
so
which
ones
are
brand
new.
H
It
red
Red's,
existing
and
so
yeah,
so
we
met
with
met
with
mayor
Hodge
and
and
asked
him
kind
of
what
what
areas
had
adjacent
water
sewer,
because
the
other
thing
is,
you
don't
want
to
add
territory
that
creates
a
burden
upon
the
taxing
district
to
add
water
and
sewer
to
to
connect
right.
You
know
the
ideal
scenario
would
be
Water
and
Sewer
is
already
in
place.
H
Roads
are
already
in
place
close
to
town
for
police,
servicing
things
along
those
lines,
and
so
we've
been
so
and
then
we're
trying
to
be
accommodating,
that
is,
that
is
50
years
worth
of
development
land
for
for
Pembroke,
Township,
Hopkins
Park
I
mean
there's
a
there's,
a
lot
of
territory
added
same
thing
for
Manteno,
you
had,
you
know
thousands
of
Acres.
H
It
would
take
a
long
time
to
fill
that,
but
yeah
we,
the
red,
is
your
existing,
and
so
we
added
the
the
territory
in
in
yellow
talked
with
the
mayor
to
make
sure
we
were
including
areas
that
made
sense
that
were
already
subdivided
and
and
so
that
way
those
were
the
ones
he
proposed
in.
In
that
effort.
A
Okay,
anyone
else
I
didn't
see
anything
I
have
a
couple
questions
for
you,
the
answer
in
front
of
everybody.
Any
time
just
doesn't
work
out.
You
can
pull
a
plug
on
it
right,
yeah.
You
think
you
told
me
that
in
public
hearing,
but
there
wasn't
any
public
there,
so
you
said
that
you
made
it
sound
to
me
like
that.
If
it
doesn't
work
out
and
it's
not
going
to
go,
then
you
could
stop
it
at
any
time.
H
Well,
it'll
it'll
expire.
We
get
25
years
of
Zone
we
applied
for
in
16,
so
it'll
expire
in
41.
I.
Don't
have
to
worry
about
that
then,
but
again
it's
similar
to
commercial
or
industrial.
We
have
territory
all
over
the
county,
that's
in
the
zone
that
either
is
vacant
and
is
not
being
built
on
right
now
or
maybe
has
a
building
that's
already
at
its
highest
and
best
use
and
they're,
not
investing
which
great.
H
If
statute
of
business
changes
hands
and
somebody
Bungie
as
an
example,
business
changes,
hands
and
CSL
all
sudden
is
doing
more
on
their
property
they're
using
the
Zone
again.
If
they
decide
not
to
do
any
development
on
that
parcel
for
the
next
30
Years,
then
it's
still
going
to
stay
within
the
Zone.
It's
just
not
going
to
be
utilized
very
similar
to
this.
If
we
add
40
acres
in
Manteno
with
the
expectation,
maybe
somebody
will
put
some
Road
water
and
sewer
and
subdivide
it
and
that
never
happens
then
no
real
harm.
H
But
potentially,
if
the
farmer
says
hey,
I've
got
a
a
new
thing:
I
need
to
build
and
I
want
to
offer.
Some
value
add
to
my
customers
and
do
some
sort
of
seed
sorting
or
I'm,
not
an
agriculture
guy
but
like
whatever
that
might
be,
and
he
needs
to
build
a
big
building
for
it.
He
could
apply
for
and
receive
the
benefit,
and
that
would
be
again
more
tax
revenue
within
our
community.
H
I
think
ideally
we'd
like
to
see
the
areas
developed
with
houses,
because
you
get
potentially
more
tax
value
than
just
a
single
building
on
40
or
80
or
100
acres,
but
it
that
that
benefit
would
still
be
available
to
them.
And
then,
if
we
get
to
where
to
Chairman
Wheeler's
point,
if
we
get
to
where
we're
developing
all
the
land
we've
gotten,
we
need
to
add
area
somewhere
else.
We've
got
an
additional
3
000
Acres,
now
to
to
use
to
develop
yeah.
A
I
have
one
more
one.
More
question
seems
like
that.
We
got
a
pretty
lot
in
my
district
how'd
that
happen.
H
Of
this
of
the
The
Villages
and
cities
you
know
for,
for
us,
I
mean
I,
guess
as
I
look
at
it,
we
looked
at
it
from
a
perspective
of
what
exists
in
the
county
that
we
could
use
to
to.
You
know
satisfy
some
of
our
other
needs,
not
necessarily
you
know
all
new
home
construction
and
so
for
us
that
kind
of
we
targeted
vacant
but
yeah
I
mean
if
the
town
said,
hey
and
maybe
mayor
Hodge,
a
similar
way.
Hey
I
want
to
add
this.
H
You
know
a
500
feet
deep,
all
along
this
road.
Okay,
you
know,
if
that's
you
know
the
third
and
third
and
seventh
subdivision
of
somebody's
subdivision.
You
want
to
add
those
two
to
finish
off
subdivision.
You
know
we
we
look
for
that
guidance
from
our
Community
Partners
and,
and
we
were
willing
to
add
that
a
big
thing
for
us
was
just
trying
to
do
the
math
to
make
sure
the
acreage
is
all
fit.
Yeah,
okay,
mom.
A
G
H
Township
is
not
an
entity
as
it
as
the
state
identifies
jurisdictions
in
in
our
hierarchy,
so
counties
so
state
county,
Villages
yeah.
These
were
Village
cities.
It's
all
yeah
I
I
mean
without
looking
directly
at
the
two
boundaries.
I
would
say:
there's
area,
that's
not
within
the
village
added
there's
currently
area,
not
within
the
village.
That's
in
the
Enterprise
Zone
in
in
Pembroke
Township,
okay,.
F
H
Yeah,
so
it's
it's
water
sewer
now
gas,
electric,
the
the
idea
that
you
have
to
add
150
000
worth
of
infrastructure
to
add
an
area
doesn't
make
a
lot
of
sense
to
add
so
directly
adjacent
to
roadway,
directly
adjacent
to
Natural,
Gas
electricity,
water
sewer,
because
again-
and
even
with
that,
we
we
likely
added
more
than
than
is
reasonable
from
a
development
Horizon
standpoint.
But
I
I
think
that
that
is
is
an
okay
effort
to
to
kind
of
get
it
all
included
and
knowing
that
we
never
I
mean
my
Christian
always
says.
H
My
crystal
ball
is
not
that
clear.
We
do
our
best,
but
there
are
still
things
we're
going
to
end
up
missing
and
so
again,
if
they,
if
they
pop
up
and
and
I,
do
feel
like
this
effort.
A
A
C
You
gonna
do
it
yeah
I
will
do
it.
Jeffrey
had
us
another
appointment
to
get
to
give
you
an
update.
The
consultant
has
not
got
the
boats
in
the
water,
yet
they're
waiting
for
the
river
to
Rise
they've
been
monitoring
it
regularly.
C
It's
been
averaging
about
1.9
to
two
feet
in
depth
at
the
river
gauges
and
they'd
really
want
to
wait
till
it's
three
to
three
and
a
half
feet
in
depth
to
get
out
there.
So
we
could
use
some.
A
C
So
they
assure
us
that
when
it
gets
to
that
level,
they
can
get
the
boats
in
the
water
right
away.
It
has
to
do
with
the
quality
of
the
data.
Is
why
they're
waiting
we'll
get
much
better
data?
If
we
can
wait
till
it's
around
three
to
three
and
a
half
feet
deep,
okay,.