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Planning, Zoning & Agriculture Committee Meeting 5/17/2023 9:00 AM
A
B
A
Great
thank
you
and
Mr
featherlene
is
joining
us
via
zoom
and
I.
Believe
we've
already
approved
his
virtual
participation
in
a
previous
meeting.
Is
there
any
public
comment.
C
A
Seeing
none
will
move
to
item
number
three
in
the
agenda:
approval
of
minutes
from
April
19
2023
motion
to
approve
Mr,
long,
Mr
Fairfield,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye,
all
those
opposed,
say,
nay
great
minutes
are
approved.
Thank
you
item
number.
Four
building
report
I
will
pass
it
along
to
Mr
skinhorn.
Thank.
C
You
Mr
chairman
and
your
package
should
be
the
monthly
building
division
report
for
April
2023..
That
month
we
had
three
new
houses
issued,
89
or
excuse
me.
86
permits
totaling
revenue
of
43
411
dollars.
C
C
Great
I
should
be
noted
too,
that,
besides
the
three
new
homes,
there
were
five
new
mobile
homes
as
well.
A
C
Yeah
the
ms-4
program,
because
of
that
program
we
are
required
to
ask
every
month
at
this
meeting.
If
any
of
the
committee
has
any
storm
water
related
issues
that
they
would
like
to
bring
forward.
Of
course,
you
can
always
bring
them
to
me
anytime,
as
well
a
little
bit
of
an
update.
Our
report
for
this
year
has
been
sent
off
to
the
EPA
and
is
available
for
review
on
our
website
that
was
posted
about
two
weeks
ago.
C
C
Decommissioning
plan
in
my
Kelly:
can
you
put
it
up?
There
I'll
be
the
first
slide
before
you
as
the
decommissioning
plan
and
bond
for
Peterman
solar.
First
one
down
there,
we
go
can't
read
the
amounts
there.
C
You
go
in
Aroma,
Township,
I,
think
it's
just
off
a
vendor
car
Road
and
that's
a
bond
amount
of
278
390
and
the
McGee
solar
farm,
which
is
in
Rockville
Township
near
the
large
substation
up
there,
almost
on
the
corner
of
6,
000
and
Career
Center
Road,
and
that
bond
amount
is
293
thousand
seven
hundred
and
seventy
seven
dollars.
These
are
two
at
the
Legacy
solar
Farms
that
were
approved
back
in
2018,
so
they
still
follow
the
old
path.
A
A
Presentation
on
drainage
districts,
Sarah
Smith
I
had
the
pleasure
of
catching
a
presentation
by
her
on
March
23rd
here
in
town,
Dell,
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
to
do
any
more
introductions.
C
Again,
last
month,
I
think
it
was
Mr.
Fairfield
asked
that
we
present
information
about
drainage
districts
and
how
they
work
and
what
they're?
All
about
so
I
asked
Miss
Smith
she's
the
executive
director
of
the
Illinois
Association
of
drainage
districts.
If
she
could
put
on
a
presentation
about
15
to
20
minutes,
roughly
and
she's
graciously
accepted
so
we'll
give
her
the
floor.
E
Okay,
give
me
just
a
second
to
get
my
screen
here.
I,
don't
do
a
lot
of
Zoom
calls.
Hopefully
it
will
work
there.
We
go
okay,
today,
I'm
going
to
talk
very
briefly
about
the
history
of
drainage
in
Illinois
how
drainage
districts
were
formed,
how
they
operate
and
then
how
they
will
be
affected
by
4412..
E
Drainage
is
vital
to
all
of
Illinois,
not
only
the
agricultural
areas,
but
also
the
urban
areas.
Back
in
the
1800s.
The
farmers
dug
man-made
ditches
because
most
of
Illinois
was
unproductive
swamp
land
and
by
draining
this
land
they
were
able
to
make
it
into
the
Lush
fertile
Farm
ground
that
we
have
today
back
in
the
1800s.
Illinois
was
actually
called
the
graveyard
of
the
nation,
because
we
had
so
many
cases
of
malaria
back
then,
with
all
the
mosquitoes
breeding
in
these
swamp
grounds.
E
So
these
are
just
some
pictures
of
the
tile
that
they
laid
throughout
the
ground,
so
the
tile
would
go
underground
drain
the
Farmland
into
these
drainage
ditches
and
you
can
see
they
dug
pretty
deep
I'm
sure
it
was
a
pretty
big
task
to
get
the
tile
in
that.
Deep
with
that
that
large
of
pipe
that
they
were
putting
in.
E
So
after
the
Civil
War,
farmers
were
laying
mile
after
mile
of
this
tile,
and
it
allowed
them
to
raise
crops
on
areas
that
were
previously
too
wet,
and
we've
seen
tiling
increased
recently
due
to
the
increase
in
crop
and
land
prices
and
also
with
our
climate.
We
seem
to
have
less
frequent
rain
events,
but
when
we
do
have
a
rain
event,
it's
more
severe,
so
these
tiles
help
the
land
drain.
E
So
that
way
we
can
raise
crops,
our
ancestors
understood
that
drainage
is
an
essential
utility,
and
so
the
Illinois
drainage
laws
were
established
to
cover
the
inadequacies
of
the
natural
drainage
rules
and
to
give
landowners
a
way
to
secure
proper
drainage,
so
Illinois
drainage
law.
It's
based
upon
the
natural
drainage
principle,
with
good
husbandry
of
the
land
and
they
originally
had
two
drainage
acts,
the
Levee
drainage,
Act
of
1879
and
the
farm
drainage,
Act
of
1885,
and
these
laws
gave
landowners
the
right
to
be
able
to
drain
their
land
it
also.
E
These
laws
also
gave
people
the
authority
to
create
drainage,
districts
and
Levee
districts,
and
these
laws
were
very
detailed.
Our
forefathers
really
thought
about
and
considered
everything,
because
these
laws
included
financing,
operation,
rules,
they're,
very,
very
detailed,
and
once
we
had
these
laws,
it
started
a
period
of
significant
drainage
in
agricultural
areas
and
the
number
of
drainage
districts
and
the
number
of
Acres
that
they
served
grew
very
rapidly.
E
The
Illinois
drainage
code
in
1956
it
merged
the
two
acts
to
form
the
current
code
that
we
have
today
and
it
gives
us
the
rights
of
drainage.
It
talks
about
the
construction,
maintenance,
repairs
of
drains
ditches
and
levees
for
agricultural,
sanitary
or
mining
purposes,
and
it
talks
about
organizing
drainage
districts
how
to
organize
them
who's
responsible
for
what
how
Commissioners
get
elected,
very
detailed.
E
E
So,
where
are
all
the
drainage
districts
I
have
this
book
in
my
office?
It's
about
a
thousand
page
book
that
was
done
back
in
1971,
and
this
book
shows
all
1654
drainage
districts
in
Illinois
that
were
created
at
one
point
now.
There
aren't
that
many
that
were
active.
They
classified
those
that
were
inactive
as
districts
that
had
no
court
entries
between
1959
and
1971.,
and
so
they
found
that
there
were
only
800
that
were
active.
So
we
lost
a
lot
of
drainage
districts
from
the
total
that
was
first
created.
E
Here's
just
a
little
idea.
There
are
many
counties
in
Illinois
that
actually
don't
even
have
drainage
districts,
so
these
are
counties
that
have
reported
to
us
that
they
have
no
drainage
districts
and
then
there
are
a
lot
of
counties
that
have
five
or
less
active
drainage
districts.
So
when
I
call
these
counties
to
get
an
update
on
the
drainage
Commissioners
a
lot
of
times,
they're
really
not
familiar
with
what
a
drainage
district
is
because
they
deal
with
them
very
infrequently.
E
And
then
these
are
our
favorite
counties
here
at
the
iadd,
because
these
are
the
counties
that
have
30
or
more
active
drainage
districts
and,
of
course,
Kankakee
County
is
one
of
those
counties.
That's
our
favorite.
The
drainage
districts
vary
from
County
to
County
and
throughout
the
state.
Some
drainage
districts
are
very
large
and
actually
have
some
people
working
for
them
other
than
just
the
Commissioners,
and
some
are
very,
very
small.
Here's
an
example.
E
The
Claypool
drainage
and
Levy
district
is
one
of
the
few
districts
that
actually
has
a
website
and
then
here's
the
Lincoln
Lansing
district,
one
of
the
few
drainage
districts
in
Cook
County.
They
actually
have
a
Facebook
page
where
one
of
their
Commissioners
gives
live.
Video
on
there,
showing
the
acts,
the
activities
of
the
district
so
who
runs
these
drainage
districts?
Well,
that
would
be
your
drainage,
District
Commissioners.
There
are
three
Commissioners
on
each
district
and
they
serve
staggered
three-year
terms.
So
every
year
a
drainage
commissioner,
is
getting
elected.
E
E
District,
commissioner
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
in
a
couple
minutes
about
why
people
don't
want
to
be
drainage,
commissioners,
so
these
Commissioners
are
either
elected
or
appointed,
and
whether
they're
elected
or
appointed,
that
was
decided
back
when
the
district
was
formed,
but
it
can
be
changed
elected
Commissioners.
They
have
a
special
election.
The
first
Tuesday
in
September,
that's
held
within
the
district,
and
only
landowners
can
vote
in
that
if
they
are
appointed,
they
have
to
be
approved
by
the
County
board
or
the
Circuit
Judge.
E
They
have
the
authority
to
go
upon
land
within
the
district
or
outside
if
they
need
to
examine
the
work
of
the
district
or
to
do
a
survey,
and
they
have
the
authority
to
use
funds
of
the
district
for
any
lawful
purpose
and
they
can
employ
Engineers,
attorneys
and
other
employees
in
the
corporate
name
of
the
district.
They
can
make
contracts,
they
can
soon
be
sued,
plead
and
be
impleaded
and
do
and
perform
all
acts
and
things
whether
expressed
or
implied,
that
may
be
reasonably
required
in
order
to
accomplish
the
purposes
of
the
Illinois
drainage
code.
E
In
addition
to
all
those
things,
Commissioners
have
to
complete
open
meetings,
act.
Training
one,
commissioner,
has
to
complete
the
Freedom
of
Information
Act
training.
They
have
to
register
with
the
State
Comptroller.
They
have
to
handle
landowner.
Complaints,
make
sure
that
the
ditches,
tiles
and
levees
are
all
maintained,
and
they
have
to
make
sure
that
they
are
complying
with
the
Regulatory
Agencies,
such
as
the
EPA,
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
and
the
idnr.
E
So
where
do
they
get
the
money
to
operate
these
districts?
Well,
if
land
in
the
district
benefits
from
the
operation
of
the
district,
then
the
landowner
has
to
pay
an
assessment,
so
only
those
who
benefit
are
paying
into
the
district,
because
lands
cannot
be
included
in
the
district.
If
that
land
is
not
going
to
benefit
from
the
district,
so
only
those
who
pay
are
benefiting,
and
if
you
benefit
you
should
be
paying.
E
How
do
you
pay?
There
are
original
assessments.
Sorry,
my
watch
was
talking.
There
are
original
assessments
that
were
done
when
the
district
was
formed
there.
There
are
annual
maintenance
assessments
that
the
district
collects
every
year,
and
then
there
are
additional
assessments
that
can
be
collected.
E
If
a
special
project
needs
to
be
done,
we
had
a
gentleman
who
is
a
drainage,
commissioner,
do
his
master's
degree
thesis
about
drainage
assessments
and
he
found
that
most
districts
in
Illinois
are
not
collecting
enough
money
to
do
the
work
that
they
need
to
do
to
keep
the
drainage
districts
operating
properly,
and
that
is
because
the
Commissioners
are
essentially
taxing
themselves
and
their
neighbors.
You
know
when
they
decide
to
do
a
drainage
assessment.
They
have
to
pay
that
assessment
themselves
as
well.
E
So
these
are
operated
usually
on
a
very
tight
and
low
budget,
and
so
I've
told
you
all
the
things
that
the
Commissioners
are
responsible
for
now.
I'll
tell
you
about
how
much
they
get
paid
and
you'll
see
why
it's
so
hard
to
find
a
drainage
District.
E
Commissioner,
this
is
something
that
probably
needs
to
be
updated
in
the
code,
because
again
the
code
was
last
done
in
1956,
so
the
amount
of
money
that
a
commissioner
can
receive
for
their
services
cannot
exceed
thirty
dollars
per
day
and
most
Commissioners
actually
don't
even
charge
that
thirty
dollars
to
the
district,
because
again
they
would
be
just
charging
it
to
themselves
and
their
neighbors.
E
The
assessments
can
be
done
in
different
ways:
there's
a
flat
rate
method,
which
is
pretty
common.
It's
where
everyone
pays
the
same
rate
on
a
per
acre
basis.
There's
a
true
Outlet,
cost
method,
classification
methods,
segmental,
cost
method,
Factor
percentage
method,
which
factor
percentage
method
is
each
parcel,
is
assigned
a
percentage
weight
of
total
benefits.
So
how
much
you
pay
is
based
on
how
much
you
benefit,
and
so
that's
another
common
way
that
assessments
are
done,
but
most
are
done
on
the
flat
rate
method,
so
HB
4412.
E
That
came
as
a
little
bit
of
a
surprise
to
us,
because
we
monitor
I,
Monitor
and
sodas
our
legislative
lobbyist.
We
monitor
the
bills
that
are
going
through
the
legislature
and
when
we
saw
4412
we
get
like
the
title
of
the
bill
and
then
a
brief
description.
The
title
of
4412
was
actually
Telehealth
for
athletic
trainers.
So
seeing
a
title
like
that,
I
wouldn't
even
generally
read
the
description,
but
we
had
some
people
calling
us
and
telling
us
that
this
was
going
on.
E
So
on,
January
8th,
an
amendment
to
the
Telehealth
for
athletic
trainers,
bill
passed
the
Senate
on
January
10th,
just
two
days
later
it
passed
the
house
and
then
on
the
24th.
It
was
sent
to
the
governor
and
even
though
he
had
said
that
he
wasn't
going
to
sign
something
like
this.
He
did
on
January
27th
and
it
was
affected
immediately.
E
What
4412
does
is
it
gives
these
solar
energy
facilities,
the
authorization
to
Cross
or
impact
a
drainage
system
without
obtaining
prior
agreement
or
approval
from
the
drainage
District,
and
they
have
to
repair
or
pay
for
the
repair
of
any
damage
that
they
do
within
a
reasonable
time
after
construction
or
when
the
facility
is
complete.
The
energy
facility
is
complete,
and
that
is
a
little
bit
frustrating
to
us
because,
as
I'll
talk
about,
sometimes
it
takes
quite
a
long
time
for
these
facilities
to
become
completed.
E
E
What
drainage
District
Commissioners
do
have
is
they
have
the
responsibility
to
create
requirements
that
the
developers
have
to
follow
so
that
way
they
can
protect
the
drainage
facilities,
because
protecting
drainage
facilities
is
in
the
Illinois
drainage
code
as
one
of
the
Commissioners
responsibilities,
and
so
they
have
easements,
they
don't
usually
own
land
and
they
have
a
responsibility
to
protect
their
infrastructure
and
I've
pulled
out
some
parts
of
the
Illinois
drainage
code
and
I've
abbreviated
them.
E
Because
the
code
is
very
detailed,
as
I
mentioned
before
so
70
ilcs
605
4-14
says
they
have
to
do
all
acts
necessary
for
the
purpose
of
protecting,
repairing
and
maintaining
any
drain
and
perform
all
acts.
That
may
be
reasonably
required
to
accomplish
the
purposes
of
this
act.
E
When
you
are
leasing
a
right
away,
Commissioners
can
determine
to
be
in
the
best.
If
the
determinants
in
the
best
interest
of
the
district,
they
have
to
make
sure
that
the
users
shall
not
impair,
hinder,
prevent
or
obstruct
the
use
of
such
property
for
drainage,
and,
as
you
can
see,
4412
takes
this
away.
E
The
drainage
code
requires
a
signed
agreement
with
an
approved
court
order
between
developments
such
as
renewable
energy
facilities
and
affected
drainage
districts.
This
is
another
thing
that
4412
takes
away.
It
says
they
don't
have
to
get
the
permission
of
the
drainage
District.
E
Another
section
of
the
code
says
that
the
owner
of
any
land
over
which
a
district
has
acquired
a
right-of-way
which
they
require
they
acquire
these
right-of-ways
many
many
years
ago
for
the
construction
and
maintenance
may
not
use
it
in
a
manner
inconsistent
with
the
Paramount
easement
of
the
district.
This
is
another
example
of
how
they're
violating
the
code
with
4412
or
how
they
can
be
again.
The
use
of
any
right-of-way
which
will
interfere
with
the
operation
of
the
drain
or
will
increase
the
cost
to
drainage
district
is
prohibited.
E
They
can't
put
any
permanent
structures
on
the
right
away
without
first
obtaining
the
express
consent
of
the
commissioners
so
again
things
that
4412
violates
with
the
Illinois
drainage
code.
So
one
example
I
wanted
to
talk
about
is
the
Alta
wind
farm
in
DeWitt
County,
and
this
wind
farm
happened
pre-4412.
So
this
is
back
in
the
day
when
the
wind
farms
and
solar
Farms
did
have
to
deal
with
drainage
districts
first,
so
in
December
2020
the
districts
were
first
contacted.
E
Then
they
received
their
foia
requests.
Finally,
in
April,
the
drainage
District's
Authority
was
recognized
because
the
developers
at
first
didn't
even
recognize
that
the
districts
had
any
Authority.
Then
in
June
a
surface
drain
was
blocked.
They
hadn't
had
an
agreement
with
the
drainage
District,
yet
a
signed
agreement,
and
they
were
already
blocking
a
surface
drain
and
again.
This
is
back
in
the
day
when
the
drainage
code
requires
an
agreement
with
the
district.
E
So
one
of
the
big
problems
is
that
renewable
energy
developers
don't
really
understand
Illinois
drainage
law,
because
a
lot
of
the
windmills
that
have
been
put
up
so
far
have
been
put
up
in
areas
that
don't
have
subsurface
drainage.
The
way
that
Illinois
has
so
they
don't
know
what
they're
dealing
with,
but
Commissioners
need
to
make
sure
that
they
are
following
the
Illinois
drainage
code
when
it
pertains
to
District
responsibilities
and
protecting
the
infrastructure.
E
And
then
here
are
some
pictures
from
that.
Alta
wind
farm
in
DeWitt,
County,
some
other
things
they
did
so,
even
though
they
had
an
agreement
with
the
drainage
District.
They
built
an
illegal
cross
to
go
to
Tower
46.
Across
the
surface
drain,
there
was
a
lateral
D
where
they
trenched
through
a
tile.
They
board
through
a
tile,
not
sure
what
happened
to
the
picture
there.
E
They
had
a
lot
of
water
draining
through
a
broken
tile
main,
so
they
damaged
a
lot
of
things,
even
though
the
Commissioners
were
working
with
them
and
they
had
an
agreement
with
that
district
and
then
here's
a
picture.
There's
a
district
surface
drain
underneath
the
pile
of
loose
topsoil
that
they
just
covered
over,
so
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
how
much
it
costs
for
that
District
to
deal
with
the
Wind
Farm
they
which
the
wind
farm
paid
these,
but
there
were
137
thousand
dollars
over
137
thousand
dollars
in
attorney
fees.
E
There
were
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
engineer
and
inspection
fees
in
2022.
They
continue
to
have
ongoing
inspections
and
those
were
just
in
2021
those
fees,
ongoing
violations,
ongoing
fixes
of
things
that
they
had
broken
when
they
were
going
through
the
district
and
the
district
had
a
penalty
of
five
thousand
dollars.
For
every
time
the
wind
farm
violated
the
agreement,
and
they
said
five
thousand
dollars
was
pennies
to
the
wind
farm.
They
would
violate
the
agreement.
You
know
for
no
reason
and
the
fee
did
not
seem
to
bother
them
at
all.
C
Have
one
Miss
Smith
the
4412
also
applies
to
wind,
not
just
solar
right,
yes,
okay,
do
you
see
any
changes
coming
soon
in
the
laws
that
might
help
the
drainage
districts.
E
Well,
when
4412
was
rushing
through
the
house
and
the
Senate,
our
lobbyist
was
told
that
we
should
come
up
with
a
trailer
bill
to
try
to
fix
these
things
to
make
them
follow
the
Illinois
drainage
code,
and
we
have
done
that.
We've
been
working
on
that
with
a
couple
different
legislators,
but
the
problem
is:
is
that
now
that
these,
the
solar
and
wind
farm
proponents
they've
already
got
what
they
wanted?
E
So
it's
made
it
a
little
bit
harder
to
work
with
them
because
they
don't
have
to
agree
with
us
because
they
already
have
what
they
wanted.
So
it's
nothing.
That's
going
to
happen
this
legislative
session,
but
we're
hoping
for
something
next
to
legislative
session.
A
F
G
Sarah,
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
Is
there
anything
we
can
do
to
help
you
with
your
lobbyists
like
send
letters
or
email
letters
to
people,
representatives
of
our
districts
or
how
How
would?
How
can
we
help
you
out
with
that.
E
Well
right
now
there
really
isn't
anything
that
can
be
done,
because
the
legislators
are
finishing
up
this
session,
but
we
have
worked
really
hard
so
far
this
year
on
getting
good
contact
information
from
the
drainage
District.
So
that
way
a
lot
of
email
addresses.
So
that
way,
when
something
does
happen,
we
can
email
them
and
and
get
them
involved
contacting
their
legislators.
But
I
can
definitely
add
my
Delbert
to
our
list
about
when
we
do
need
something
asking
people
to
contact
their
legislators.
G
Okay,
because
it
you
need
something
we
can
come
up
with
some
people
to
send
in
some
information,
for
you,
I
appreciate
it
very
good
presentation
today.
Thank
you.
D
I
Sarah
I,
thank
you
for
your
presentation
is
very
informative
and
I.
Think
I've
learned
a
lot
about
during
this
districts
that
I
never
knew
before,
and
it's
very
important.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Delbert
also
you're.
H
A
Anything
else,
I
know,
from
my
perspective,
effective
drainage
and
maintaining
those
those
drainage,
conveyances
is
extremely
important
to
our
community
and
to
our
local
economy
and
again,
thank
you,
Sarah.
Thank
you,
Dell
for
lining
up
this
presentation.
C
Chairman,
while
we're
still
on
the
subject
of
training,
I,
don't
have
something
lined
up
for
next
month.
So
if
there's
some
other
topic,
you'd
like
us
to
address
or
in
the
coming
months,
let
me
know
okay
got
it.
Thank
you.
I
Chairman
I,
don't
know
if
you
would
agree
or
other
board
members
would
agree,
but
maybe
the
oh
geez,
the
limitations,
the
problems
with
the
county
and
our
ability
to
impact
abandoned
properties
and
things
out
in
the
rural
areas
might
because
we
get
a
lot
of
those
questions.
Why
aren't
you
taking
this
house
down
it
burned
up
six
years
ago?
You
know
that
kind
of
there's
boards
on
these
windows
in
the
rural
area
it'd
be
nice.
If
they
all
knew
what
our
rights
and
responsibilities
are.
I
D
A
Next
month,
thank
you
all
right,
we'll
move
into
number
five
zoning
zba
case
number
23-7,
Dell,
yeah,.
C
Next
slide
down,
this
is
a
request
for
a
variance
to
allow
an
accessory
structure
in
the
side
yard
at
property
located
at
1805
West
Tower
Drive,
Kankakee
Illinois.
It's
highlighted
there
in
red.
It's
a
corner
lot
with
a
ranch
style
house
facing
south
and
petitioners,
which
is
Michael
Brown
and
Christina.
Spennard
I
would
like
to
put
a
above
ground
swimming
pool
to
the
west
of
the
house.
There.
The
county
code
says
that
swimming
pools
can
only
be
in
your
backyard
and
they
don't
have
a
backyard.
C
Zoning
board
heard
this
Monday
night
and
recommends
approval
6-0.
There
were
no
objectors.
Questions
were
asked
about
the
leech
field
for
the
septic.
It
does
avoid
that
they
do
intend
to
put
up
a
privacy
fence
in
the
future
to
block
The,
View
and
they're
on
City
water.
So
there's
no
issue
with
the
well.
C
No,
we
can't
that
would
be
a
condition.
You
cannot
put
conditions
on
a
variance
it
will
be
secured,
though
it's
52
inch
tall
swimming
pool
with
stairs
going
up
to
it
and
as
long
as
you
have
a
locking
gate
and
the
stairs
are
secure,
so
that
people
cannot
access
it
without
permission,
that
is
up
to
code.
A
First
time,
Mr
Wheeler.
I
Thank
you,
staff
recommendation
and,
what's
your
feeling
on,
does
this
meet
the
definition
of
hardship
that
they
can't
put
something
out
back
I.
C
Believe
it
does
for
a
couple
of
reasons:
one
there
is
no
backyard,
so
there's
definitely
a
hardship
there.
It's
required
to
be
in
the
backyard.
You
cannot
put
it
in
the
backyard,
so
anything
that
would
be
required
to
be
in
the
backyard
they
could
not
have
because
of
the
way
the
two
houses
face.
Those
side
yards
on
both
of
them
as
you
can
see,
function
as
a
backyard.
That
is
their
only
yard
that
they
have.
Staff
has
has
no
issues
with
this.
In
this
particular
case,.
J
K
So
is
it
in
the
their
application
that
they're
going
to
lock
the
gates
and
everything
it.
C
E
C
This
is
a
request
from
Miss
Haley
Mars,
who
owns
property,
highlighted
in
red
on
the
screen
up.
There
was
gifted
to
her
by
her
grandfather
somewhere
back
around
1995
1996.
These
two
lots
were
created.
How
they
were
created.
I
do
not
know
and
how
we
got
here,
because
two
lots
of
that
size
is
a
plaid
act.
Violation
should
have
never
been
created,
the
home
there
was
a
home
sitting
on
it.
C
If
you
see
on
the
parcel
to
the
left,
there
was
an
old,
dilapidated
home
there
that
has
since
been
removed,
I
believe
it
was
there
when
this
was
a
large
farm.
Before
those
lots
were
created.
She
she
testified
that
it
had
been
there
for
50
60
years.
C
They
removed
the
old
house
in
anticipation
of
building
a
new
home
when
they
came
into
the
office.
We
realized
these.
This
is
not
right.
You
can't
it's
not
properly
zoned,
it's
still
zoned
A1
agriculture.
Those
two
lots
are
plaid
act
violation
because
you're
allowed
one
division
less
than
five
acres,
and
this
is
two
okay.
So
to
correct
that
situation,
they
want
to
combine
the
two
lots
together.
C
So
now
we
have
one
lot
less
than
five
acres,
so
we're
back
to
we've
eliminated
the
Plaid
act,
violation
and
because
of
the
size
of
the
lot
they
are
asking
for
it
to
be
rezoned
to
rural
estate,
which
is
the
appropriate
zoning
district
for
lots
of
that
size
out
in
the
rural
area,
but
because
it's
not
quite
one
acre,
it's
0.72
or
0.75
Acres
they're,
also
asking
for
a
lot
size
variance
because
the
minimum
acreage
in
the
real
estate
district
is
one
acre.
C
This
also
went
before
the
zoning
board
Monday
night.
There
were
no
objectors,
no
public
comment
and
the
zoning
board
recommends
approval
six
to
zero.
C
A
I
Mr
chairman,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman,
the
as
this
is
the
appointment
of
the
chairman
of
the
board,
with
the
advising
consent
of
the
County
board.
I
would
make
the
nomination
for
Elizabeth
Scanlon.
A
A
I
You
Mr
chairman
with
under
the
same
auspice,
in
order
to
get
to
discussion
I'd
like
to
recommend
Brian
Porter
as
the
appointment
from
the
County
Board.
A
Matter
it's
the
chairs.
All
right.
We've
got
two
people
that
were
going
to
interview.
One
will
need
to
step
into
the
hallway.
Let's
interview,
Mr
Porter,
first,
so
Mr
automaker.
If
you
would
step
in
the
hallway
and
then
we'll
call
you
back
in
once,
Mr
Porter's
interview
is
completed,
then
you'll
switch
places.
I
Foreign,
thank
you
Mr
chairman
the
question
I.
Have
we
have
some
new
members
on
this
committee?
Could
I
thought
it
might
be
helpful
before
we
get
to
the
questions
to
describe
what
zba
does
okay
and
because
it
helped
me
frame
some
questions
for
board
members
who
who
may
not
understand
what
they're
asked
to
vote
on
sure.
C
The
zoning
board
of
appeals
is
a
seven-member
board
that
is
appointed
by
the
County
Board,
to
hear
zoning
cases
and
to
make
recommendations
on
everything
related
to
zoning.
So
that
can
be
a
text
amendment
to
our
code.
That
can
be
a
map
Amendment
commonly
known
as
a
rezoning.
It
could
be
a
special
use
permit
or
could
be
a
variance.
C
The
zoning
board
of
appeals
is
charged
with
holding
the
public
hearing,
taking
all
of
the
testimony
from
anyone
who
would
like
to
speak
and
rendering
all
of
that
information
down
to
a
recommendation
for
the
County
Board
to
consider
I,
don't
know
how
in
depth
you
want
me
to
go.
We
have
discussed
this
at
previous
meetings.
I
C
That's
that's
the
main
focus
there
I
mean
it
gets
I
mean
it
can
goes
back
and
forth.
During
these
public
hearings,
each
member
is
allowed
to
ask
questions
and
satisfy
any
any
issues
that
they
might
have
and
gather
information
after
the
public
hearing
is
completed.
Then
they
have
a
discussion
about,
what's
called
the
findings
of
fact
and
that's
where
they
boil
all
of
that
information
down
into
their
recommendation
as
to
whether
it's
an
appropriate
use,
an
appropriate
map
change
or
not.
I
C
C
That
does
happen,
and
that
generally
happens
when
the
planning
and
zoning
committee
doesn't
feel
that
the
zoning
board
heard
everything
they
needed
to
hear,
because
information
cannot
be
presented
at
planning
and
zoning
that
wasn't
part
of
the
hearing.
So
if
you're,
if
your
concerns
are,
are
related
to
new
information
that
you
heard
or
you
want
to
see
something
studied
further,
then
it
would
go
back
to
the
zoning
board
for
further
discussion
with
a
new
recommendation
and
new
findings.
A
Well,
we'll
be
moving
into
the
interview
portion.
Anyone
have
any
questions
on
Mr,
Porter's
application.
I
I
have
a
question
then
Mr
chairman:
yes,
how
Mr
Porter
thank
you
for
coming
the.
How
would
you
see
your
experience
in
fire
service
as
something
that
would
benefit
and
impact
the
board
in
that
manner,
sure.
L
L
When
it
comes
to
doing
the
stuff
that
they
do
on,
that
board
is
a
lot
of
research
and
and
making
sure
that
what
what
you
know
the
Public's
asking
is
is
right
by
the
law
and
right
by
the
codes
and
within
the
buyer
service
I
do
a
lot
with
prevention
inspections.
What
not
and
researching
different
codes
different
laws
is
what
we
do
on
a
regular
basis
when
it
comes
to
that.
So
I
do
have
a
lot
of
background
when
it
comes
to
doing
the
research
in
order
to
find
the
right
resolution.
I
So,
as
a
follow-up,
how
would
you
balance
I
guess?
Let
me
back
up
an
example.
What
zba
may
hear
is
a
variance
that
may
allow
for
something
to
happen,
but
it
may
be
somewhat
limiting
as
far
as
emerge,
ems's
access
to
the
property
good
thing:
we've
had
these
come
up
in
the
past,
where
we've
had
to
say
you
know,
the
fire
districts
are
not
happy
with
this
because
they
can't
turn
around
their
fire
engine
in
there.
L
That
makes
complete
sense.
You
know
we
get
that
a
lot,
especially
in
the
fire
service.
You
know
we
get
business
owners
that
feel
like
they
could
do
or
want
to
do
whatever
they
feel
they
should
be
able
to
do.
Unfortunately,
there's
a
lot
of
safety
aspects
that
go
into
everything
that
we
do
there
and
it
kind
of
falls
into
here.
L
G
Hey
Mr
Porter,
thanks
for
coming
in
today.
Do
you
have
any
other
experience
with
the
zoning
law
and
things
like
that
or
any
chairman
experience
or
any
people
any
experience
dealing
with
design.
L
I,
don't
I,
don't
personally
have
experience
with
the
zoning.
I
have
been
on
several
other
boards
pension
boards,
other
boards
regulated
the
fire
service,
but
I
I
don't
have
experience
specifically
in
zoning.
G
So
you
definitely
wouldn't
have
any
problems
following
them
like
Dell
can
make
you
out
of
sheep
for
going
through
meetings
and
stuff
that
you
would
be
able
to
follow
the
directions,
find
and
everything
absolutely
okay,
and
then
we
have
a
it's
a
small
board
and
it's
very
important
meetings.
A
lot
of
people
don't
realize
how
important
they
are.
I
was
there
for
many
years
and
we
don't
have
a
quorum
there.
The
meaning
can't
happen.
It's
a
real
setback
for
the
com.
G
You
know
the
committee
to
have
to
postpone
a
meeting
and
a
lot
of
problems
for
Dell
and
staff.
So
are
you
aware
that
the
attendance
is
really
critical?
This
position
that
you're
being
appointed
for
yeah.
L
When
we
talked
about
it
a
few
weeks
ago,
you
know
I,
I
told
them
I'd
make
every
attempt
to
make
every
single
meeting
to
the
best
of
my
ability.
I
do
feel
it's
important
and
just
along
just
like
I
try
to
make
every
single
meeting
of
all
the
other
boards
and
entities
I've
been
part
of
in
in
the
past,
and
currently,
okay.
A
M
Boss,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman
John
stole
some
of
my
thunder
but
I'm
sure.
G
M
Thank
you
Mr
chairman,
so
Mr
Porter.
So
you
understand
that
you
have
to
go
ahead
and
go
off
of
fax
a
finding.
Do
you
think
that
your
personal
belief
on
something
can
go
ahead
and
alter
the
facts
of
finding
that
you
see
before
you
buy
the
by
staff?
Absolutely.
L
Not
facts
are
finding
you
know
you
gotta
I,
I,
don't
I
don't
put
the
personal
into
it
at
my
own
personal
belief.
You
know
I,
especially
being
like
part
of
the
pension
board
that
I'm
on
we
deal
with
a
lot
of
It's
gotta,
be
facts
of
finding.
We
do
a
lot.
I
know
the
people
that
I'm
sitting
in
front
of
and
I
can't
put
my
feelings.
M
Second
question:
Mr
chairman:
so
there
was
a
a
vote
by
the
zba
about
a
month
or
two
months
ago,
and
one
of
the
Nays
didn't
go
ahead
and
give
a
reason
why
they
went
ahead
and
voted
no.
But
it
was
a.
It
was
a
a
change
of
our
zoning
because
of
state
law.
Would
you
go
ahead
and
put
your
personal
dissatisfication
of
the
state
law
of
changing
that
law
over
what
we
need
to
go
ahead
and
do
as
a
county
to
go
ahead
and
comply
with
that.
L
No
that
wouldn't
makes
sense
if
we're
adopting
the
updated
laws.
Unfortunately,
you
thought
the
law
as
a
whole.
I
mean
it's
the
same
thing
as
us.
Adopting
the
you
know
updated
codes
for
fire
yeah.
Maybe
someone
will
become
real
stringent
and
you
have
to
really
work
through
them,
but
you
gotta
you
don't
just
you
don't
have
to
like
them
all,
but
if
they
we
are
adopting
a
movie
about
them
all.
So.
K
You
good
morning,
Mr
Porter,
are
you
a
rural
resident
or
do
you
live
in
a
subdivision,
I.
L
Live
in
bourbon
in
municipality,
okay,.
K
Because
a
lot
of
our
issues,
as
you
saw
today,
deal
with
a
lot
of
areas
in
the
rural
part
of
the
county.
So
you
know
people
are
passionate
who
live
out
in
the
rural
communities,
so
I
just
wanted
to
know
what?
What
is
your
view.
L
I
believe
I
I,
since
I
don't
live
rural
I
mean
I,
know
many.
Many
people
that
do
liberal,
I
I
believe
no
matter
what
the
situation
is.
I'm
gonna
remain
neutral,
look
at
the
facts
and
and
make
the
best
decision
based
off
of
what's
presented.
G
Hi
sorry
I
picked
that
back
up
again.
Do
you
have?
We
are
on
the
zoning
board
of
appeals,
there's
a
lot
of
times.
In
fact,
most
times
we
would
do
like
what
we
call
site
visits
where
I
don't
know
it
could
take
an
hour
hour
and
a
half
or
whatever
do
you
have
time
and
they
reimburse
your
mileage.
But
do
you
have
time
to
be
doing
site
visits
and
things
like
that
and
you're
in
your
off
time?
Actually,
I
do.
L
G
Okay
and
on
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
there
there's
quite
a
bit
of
things
that
go
up
and
down
and
change
quite
a
bit
and
requiring
just
to
show
up
at
a
meeting
on.
Monday
is
not
really
what's
there's
a
lot
of
other
things
required
of
the
chairman.
Besides
the
site
business
is
that
you
know
keeping
in
contact
with,
though
Mr
skimmerhorn
there
to
have
them.
G
Keep
you
up
the
step
on
how
things
are
going
and
what's
coming
up
and
what
he's
working
on
so
that
you're,
always
in
the
loop
and
I
feel
you
know
if
you
have
any
problem
with
the
issue
with
working
with
the
planning
department
or
having
time
to
make
a
couple
phone
calls
here
and
there
that
was
all
you
know,
extra
things
that
had
to
be
done
too.
Besides,
just
being
on
the
board
itself,.
L
C
G
A
All
right,
if
not
thank
you
Mr
Porter,
thank
you.
You
and
Mr
rodermaker
can
switch
places.
A
Next,
we
have
Mr
rodemaker,
and
his
application
is
also
in
your
packet.
If
you
had
a
chance
to
review
that
this,
this
portion
of
the
agenda
would
be
your
opportunity
to
interview
and
ask
questions
of
Mr
rodemaker.
G
Morning,
Gene,
how
are
you
today
good
you
good,
well
kinda
or
it
would
be
there?
Yes,
let
everybody
on
the
committee
here
know
on
your
application,
I'm
sure
I
know
you
put
down
everything
but
you've
been
on
the
zoning
board
of
appeals.
For
quite
some
time
haven't
you?
Yes,
I
have
okay,
even
you
took
over
for
Mr
M
when
he
resigned
his
chairman,
correct,
correct
yeah,
and
how
many
meetings
would
you
I
mean?
G
J
G
Yeah,
so
you
get
maybe
10
12
meetings
a
month
or
a
year,
so
yeah,
that's
quite
a
few.
So
yes,
okay
and
then
you're
experience
in
the
in
the
field
in
in
the
drainage
area
and
with
the
zoning
law
and
all
that
stuff
is
pretty
much
up
the
snow
as
far
as
changes
or
anything
that
changes
that
have
been
made.
Yes,
I
would
say
so
you
understand
how
the
states
kind
of
put
a
a
crunch
on
everything.
G
A
J
Feel
your
attendance
is
attending
the
meetings
for
the
most
part,
I'd
say
I've
Dover
can
confirm
this
to
a
certain
degree,
but
I'd
say
I've
probably
made
probably
90
of
the
meetings,
and
just
you
know
this
past,
since
January
1st
I
was
on
a
cruise
and
but
other
than
that
that
was
about
it.
Okay,.
A
When
it
comes
to
a
zoning
board
of
appeals
case
where
a
decision
would
have
to
be
made
between
Public,
Safety
and
property
rights,
where
would
your
opinion
fall
more
in
favor
of
Public,
Safety
or
property
rights?.
J
You
know
and
that's
a
very
difficult
question,
because
each
case
will
present
different
and
I
know.
You've
stated
two
different
things,
but
we
and
the
board
have
a
if
we
do
I
I
feel
we
have
a
very
good
board.
J
We
ask
a
number
of
questions
and,
at
that
point,
by
the
end
of
asking
all
the
questions,
I
think
we
usually
make
a
a
very
Sound
Decision
on
either
way
go
got
it.
G
I
J
Excuse
me
I'd
just
like
to
point
out
that.
Well,
it
was
eight
eight
or
ten
years
ago,
one
of
your
County
board
members,
who
is
still
a
County
Board
member,
had
come
to
me
and
asked
me
to
apply,
and
his
reasoning
was
at
that
time
that
I
I
had
been
a
farmer
there
weren't
any
Farmers
on
the
board.
J
He
thought
it'd
be
good
to
have
a
perspective
of
people
out
in
the
country
and
farmers
also,
if
you
consider
Kankakee
Bradley
Bourbonnais
halfway
through
the
county
there
were
there,
wasn't
anybody
at
that
time,
east
of
those
that
that
area,
so
on
the
Eastern
side
of
the
county
there
there
wasn't
any
representation
now
and
obviously
he
thought
rural
rep.
J
Not
people
that
knew
the
rural
areas
he
thought
would
be
very
important.
Now
I
will
say
at
this
point
in
time.
We
do
have
one
other
person
that
is
Dave
DeYoung
down
near
Richard,
so
he
is
on
the
board.
So
he
is
on
this,
but
I
will
say
from
I'd
say
just
north
of
Saint
Anne,
all
the
way,
through
up
north
past
moments
in
Grand,
Park
all
the
way
up
to
the
county
line,
obviously
All
the
Way
East
to
the
state
line
and
halfway
to
West
to
Manteno.
J
There
isn't
any
other
representation
and
I
said
your
County
Board
member
at
that
time,
and
he
said
he
still
is
felt
as
if
there
should
be
some
representation
from
this
side
of
the
County
so
I
just
wanted
to,
and
that's
it
not
that
you,
but
people
would
be
aware
of
of
where
all
the
board
members
are
from.
So
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out.
So
right.
J
A
You
for
sharing
that
Gene.
Okay,
if
there
are
no
other
questions
or
comments,
then
that'll
conclude
the
interview
portion
and
Mr
Porter
can
return
to
the
room
and
you're
welcome
to
return
to
yourself.
Okay,
I'll
go
get
them.
Thank
you.
Gene.
A
A
G
Like
to
discuss
the
fact
that
I've
known
Gene
for
a
long
time,
somebody's
got
to
give
him
a
little
character
boost
here.
He's
comes
to
the
meetings
and,
unless
he's
actually
actually
having
to
actually
farm
that
week
or
something
which
usually
comes
and
makes
it
there,
when
even
when
he's
farming
I
was
on
the
board
with
him
I
would
say
or
I
don't
know
got
to
be
six
years
right,
though,
with
with
G,
then
on
the
board.
Yeah
Gene
and
I
were
on
the
board
together
for
quite
a
while.
G
G
I
would
like
to
have
a
roll
call
vote
for
the
vote
for
Mr,
Rademacher
or
Mr
Porter.
Is
that
possible.
A
A
B
A
A
H
Can
it
would
be
appropriate
if
the
board
chose
that,
since
you
had
two
two
two
candidates,
that
if
somebody
if
a
board
member
was
inclined
to
nominate
Mr
radamaker
as
well,
they
could
do
that
as
well.
I
think
there
was
some
confusion
on
this
election
as
to
what
was
going
on
and
and
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there.
Obviously
that's
up
up
to
to
the
committee.
I
G
Mr
chairman,
do
you
know
what
the
confusion
was
Mr
Coughlin
John?
Can
you
let
us
know
what
you
think
the
confusion
was
because
I
seem
to
think
it
was
pretty
straightforward
myself.
G
H
My
God,
just
when
everybody
was
there
was
well
I,
was
personally
confused,
so
I
I
don't
want
to
tell
the
board
that
they're
confused,
but
I
was
confused
and
that
there
was
with
the
discussion
that
there
were
two
candidates
presented.
There
was
one
candidate
nominated
that
then,
in
the
course
of
that
discussion
there
was
a
discussion
about
one
of
the
candidates
that
that
his
nomination
was
not
was
not
appropriately
before
this
committee,
and
just
so
the
record
was
correct.
H
I
want
to
make
sure
everybody
understood
that
that
this
was
not
an
election
where
an
election
that
you
would
normally
unders
understand
to
be
an
election
in
which
you
had
two
candidates
that
you
were
seeking
for
votes,
and
that
was
my
confusion.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
somewhere
down
the
line
that,
if
somebody
comes
back
and
and
points
to
anything
that
that
was
out
there
for
you
to
understand,
that's
all
if
I.
I
Get
a
point
of
clarification:
okay,
Mr
chairman!
Thank
you.
I
just
need
a
point
of
clarification,
because
this
is
the
whole
time
I
was
on
the
board.
This
is
the
first
time
that
we've
had
two
people
in
the
room
that
goes
back
to
2012.,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
we
do
this
right.
The
appointments
by
the
chairman,
when
the
advising
consent
of
the
board.
So
when
there's
a
motion
on
the
floor
for
a
specific
individual,
that's
what
we're
voting
on.
H
That's
correct:
okay,
that's
what
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that's
correct
I,
but
I
also
wanted
to
make
sure,
since
there
was
a
discussion
and
since
the
board,
since
there
was
a
discussion
where
it
appeared
that
people
were
Mr,
rodermaker's
name
was
was
it
was
it
was
an.
It
was
appropriate
as
well
that
if
somebody
else
wanted
to
make
a
another
nomination
in
this
committee
right
after
that,
if
somebody
wanted
to
make
another
nomination
after
the
after
you
had
the
vote
on
this
on
Mr
Porter
that
doesn't
necessarily
close
the
discussion.
H
That
was
something
that
was
open
for
the
for
this
committee
to
do
where
that
that
you
could
have
another
nomination
for
somebody
and
that
could
then
be
voted
on
as
well.
That's
just
so
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
record
was
correct.
Sure,
gotcha,
Mr.
G
Chairman
Mr
featherling
yeah
I'd
like
to
make
the
motion
to
recommend
that
Gene
Rademacher
be
reappointed
to
the
zoning
order
of
appeals.
After
his
many
years
of
his
service
that
he's
been
there.
A
Okay:
we've
got
emotion
in
second
to
recommend
reappointment
of
Gene
rodemaker
to
the
zba.
A
A
I
Have
a
discussion
before
any
of
this
in
the
previous,
so
I'll,
just
let
the
rest
of
the
board
know.
One
of
the
reasons
that
this
is
specifically
brought
forward
is
ZB
zba
case
22-21,
which
a
variance
was
not
granted
and
then
overridden
by
six
to
Zero
by
the
zba
on
a
legal
non-conforming
porch
that
was
removed
by
an
applicant
and
then
replaced
with
a
large
addition
on
the
front
of
the
house
in
the
right-of-way,
which
is
a
very
dangerous
ill-advised
situation.
When
there
was
no
hardship.
I
There
was
another
entrance
in
the
house
that
the
steps
could
be
replaced.
They
could
replace
the
steps
at
the
beginning.
It
was
advised
by
the
chairman
of
that
board.
Mr
Rademacher
and
it
was
approved,
I
believe
six
to
nothing
to
approve
overriding
the
County
Board
and
allowing
this
to
be
built.
Putting
us
in
legal
Jeopardy.
I
It
was
a
leadership
issue
with
the
zba.
That's
why
I
brought
this
to
here
to
change
the
the
situation,
because
there's
no
longer
any,
in
my
opinion,
a
guiding
hand
to
listen
to
the
staff
they're,
ignoring
staff's
recommendation
and
voting
unanimously
and
by
the
way
we've
had
since
20.
Almost
98
unanimous
votes
out
of
zba
under
this
leadership,
that's
dangerous.
There
should
be
more
discussion.
There
should
be
more
findings
of
fact.
I
K
G
Another
quick
question
here
is:
over
the
years
in
my
stopping
local
government
city
government
I,
don't
know
about
County
government.
That's
why
I
asked
from
Chicago
on
here
there's
a
table:
doesn't
the
chairman
go
back
and
break
the
tire
he's
already
voted
in?
Is
that
so
it
counts
as
a
vote
already.
Is
that
how
it
works
Andy
if.
A
A
B
A
A
I'm
not
aware
of
any
additional
information
that
could
or
would
be
shared
unless
anyone
else
has
any
further
information.
That
would
help
make
a
more
informed
vote
share
it
now
or
hold
your
peace.
M
A
question
Mr
chairman,
so
this
goes
to
full
board.
Would
it
be
appropriate
to
go
ahead
and
hold
it
here
at
pza?
Sends
six
members
of
this
committee
was
not
here
or
that
does
not
matter.
A
N
So
I
can
attack
this
as
one
PowerPoint
presentation
for
for
the
two
agenda
items
I
have
coming
up,
but
the
first
one
we're
going
to
talk
about
is
the
natural
gas
conversion
and
and
I
guess,
just
as
a
little
bit
of
background
for
the
room
and
and
I
don't
want
to
assume
anything
as
part
of
nikor
extending
natural
gas
to
Hopkins
Park
in
Pembroke,
Township
Senator,
Patrick
Joyce
secured
a
million
dollars
to
assist
the
homeowners
with
converting
their
homes
to
natural
gas
and
I
would
say
the
big
thing
here.
As
we
look
at
this.
N
Is
it's
legal
to
pipe
a
house
with
flexible,
fluted,
copper
for
propane
and
in
order
to
do
a
house
with
natural
gas,
you
have
to
have
a
hard
piped
black
pipe.
So
there's
a
lot
just
a
large
conversion
there
generally
and
then
we're
talking
about
the
difference
between
a
propane
orifice,
which
is
the
size
of
the
jet,
the
gas
jet
or
or
a
natural
gas
orifice.
So
we
kind
of
have
this
this
piece
of.
How
are
you
currently
heating,
your
house
and
and
then
how
do
you
get
to
the
Future?
N
And
then,
what
part
of
that
we
would
be
involved
in?
So
when
the
senator
secured
the
funds
we
talked
with,
with
obviously
leadership
of
the
county
and
Chairman's
been
very
involved
in
this
talking
about
what
are
we
going
to
use
the
money
for
and
the
way
we
looked
at
in
the
planning
department
was.
This
is
for
Home
Improvements.
This
is
not
for
appliance
purchasing.
This
is,
for
you
know,
piping,
your
home.
N
You
know
re-changing
your
orifices
on
your
House's
infrastructure,
so
your
your
propane
or
natural
gas,
hot
water
heater,
which
is
part
of
the
the
water
system
of
your
home.
So
we
need
to
in
talking
with
the
state
of
Illinois.
We
need
to
enroll
the
next
slide.
I've
got
kind
of
five
or
six
things
we
need
to
cover,
but
we
need
to
talk
about
exactly
how
this
works
so
and
first
off
is
we
have
an
intergovernmental
agreement
with
Hopkins
Park
Kelly?
Can
you
slide
me
one
forward?
N
N
For
for
this,
so
we've
submitted
the
information
and
paperwork,
the
state
of
Illinois
we're
working
with
the
state
on
getting
that
we
will
be
permitting
the
any
of
the
work
that's
done
outside
of
the
Village
and
we're
still
working
with
the
village
to
see
how
permitting
work
within
the
village
trying
to
figure
out
kind
of
this
activity
here
is
really
to
get
the
board
up
to
speed
on
future
activities
coming
out
of
the
planning
department
to
make
sure
you
know
when
we
start
talking
about
putting
an
RFP
together
and
selecting
a
contract.
N
We
did
not
want
that
to
be
this.
We
we
hadn't
heard
about
it
previously,
so
and,
and
so
then
we
start
getting
into
what
do
costs
look
like.
So
we
have
a
cap
on
the
Grant
from
the
senator.
We
worked
with
nikor
on
what
we
thought.
A
conversion
cost
an
appropriate
conversion,
cost
would
be,
and
so
it's
capped
at
4,
500
per
user,
so
we're
talking
about
about
225
or
230
homes
could
potentially
qualify
for
this
and
and
then
so
now,
230
homes
get
done.
N
What
type
of
contract
would
have
this
capacity
capacity
and
and
really
the
one?
The
bottom
one
is
the
most
scary,
at
least
at
the
staff
level.
Right
now
is
I,
don't
have
an
executed,
Grant
agreement
for
the
chairman
to
sign
yet
I,
don't
even
know
what
all
of
the
compliance
topics
will
be,
but
we
do
know
that
we
will
have
minority-owned
business
women-owned
business,
which
is
called
a
BEP
in
the
state
of
Illinois,
and
so
we'll
have
to
make
sure
to
meet
all
of
these.
N
So
how
do
we
put
together,
something
that
allows
us
to
select
a
contractor
with
the
capacity
that
we
need
who's
able
to
do
the
work
who's
able
to
ensure
it's
done
right
was
able
to
coordinate
with
our
our
building
team
to
make
sure
this
gets
done,
and
and
do
this
in
a
timely
manner
that
works
for
Nightcore,
so
we're
kind
of
working
through
phases
on
the
grant
right
now.
But
what
we're
drafting
right
now
is
a
document
that
has
a
lot
of
the
language
in
the
existing
Grant
language
use
for
these
these
Appropriations.
N
But
we
want
to
move
forward
on
putting
out
an
RFP
to
select
a
contractor
and-
and
this
was
the
state's
recommendation
single
contractor,
so
we
can
say
if
the
percentages
are
20
and
10
or
whatever
they
are
that
we
can
have
them.
Then
Source
out
some
contractors,
because
the
last
thing
we
need
to
be
doing
in
the
planning
department
was
tracking
down
230
individual
contractors,
and
so
we
want
a
single
contract
group
to
be
our
our
point,
we
would
be
able
to
mobilize
and
do
this
work
and
again
it's.
N
This
is
Plumbing
work
to
improve
the
homes,
so
that
way
they
can
collect
hook
on
the
natural
gas
system.
I
guess
maybe
to
step
back
and
I
feel
like
Andy's
going
to
ask
me
this
question.
These
are
only
for
customers
of
nikor,
so,
like
kind
of
the
first
step
of
this
is
nikor
sends
me
a
list
and
I
already
have
the
list.
N
It
says
these
are
the
people
who
agreed
to
hook
up,
and
that
starts
our
universe,
so
there
won't
be
homes
being
converted
that
aren't
being
long-term
natural
gas
customers,
so
that
was
kind
of
making
sure
we
meet
all
the
the
metrics
we
need
to
meet.
If
you
could
switch
to
the
next
one
I
did
put
just
kind
of
a
quick
timeline.
I
talked
to
Andy
a
little
bit
about
this
this
morning.
N
I
probably
should
have
done
a
day
one
day,
20
day,
30
day
50,
because
you
know,
if
we
miss
any
of
these
dates,
certainly
they
could.
They
can
change
we're
I,
a
big
plug
to
to
Nick
Allen
in
the
Senator's
office.
He's
been
very
helpful.
The
team
at
dco
has
been
really
great
to
work
with,
and
just
things
move
relatively
slowly,
but
we're
we're
working
through
this,
but
we're
waiting
for
them
to
give
us
a
final
document
for
The
Surety
of
this
board
and
this
committee.
We
won't
do
anything
without
a
grant
agreement.
N
We
will
not
expend
any
funds
of
the
counties
to
do
work
on
behalf
of
this
project
without
first
requesting
it
from
the
state
of
Illinois.
We're
going
to
do
what
they
call
a
a
capital,
A
working
capital
Advance
on
this
grant,
where
we
will
actually
request
several
months
of
funding
on
the
front
end
and
then
we'll
use
that
money
to
to
do
the
work
to
pay
the
contract.
Well,
to
pay
the
contractors
who've
done
the
work.
N
So
as
we're
looking
at
this
and
as
we're
asking
Andy
to
sign
the
documents,
it
will
be
money
in
hand.
Then
money
goes
out
not
not
the
other
way
around.
So
we're
not
asking
this
board
to
be
on
the
hook
for
work
being
done
in
in
people's
homes,
because,
frankly,
it's
just
not
fair,
because
I'm
sure
everybody
would
love
the
government
to
to
do
something
in
their
house.
N
We
just
think
it's
prudent
to
make
sure
we
we
receive
that
that
Capital
advance
and
then
we'll
ask
for
it
so,
and
there
might
be
one
more
slightest
questions
on
it.
So.
N
So
yeah,
so
there
I've
been
working
with
nikor
pretty
heavily
and
we're
working
on
kind
of
doing
it.
It
will
really
step
in
once
we
received
a
contractor,
but
we're
doing
it
in
essentially
buckets
this
idea
that
the
only
way
we
can
really
extend
ourselves
out
into
permitting
and
going
out
is,
if
we're
doing
several
homes
at
once,
they're
talking
about
releasing
20
to
30
Homes
at
a
time,
so
the
continent,
their
contractor,
would
make
ready,
20
or
30
homes
to
our
contractor
for
the
their
process.
N
We
would
have
that
kind
of
as
our
our
bucket.
So
for
this
two
weeks
we
got
20
homes
and
then
we
would
be
able
to
go
out
well.
Let
me
step
back
we'll
receive
an
initial
estimate,
all
right,
so
we'll
permit
application
from
the
the
contractor,
we'll
make
sure
it's
makes
sense
in
the
world
that
it's
not
a
forty
five
hundred
dollar
application
to
run
three
feet
of
pipe.
N
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
we're
doing
the
right
amount
of
work
to
get
this
done
for
the
homeowner,
so
that
they're
getting
value
out
of
this
grant.
So
we
we
use
kind
of
our
standard
methods
and
practices
as
it
relates
to
construction.
To
look
at
that
then
we'll
know
in
our
timeline:
okay,
we'll
have
an
inspection
and
then
it'll
go
live
so
that
way,
there's
we're
making
sure
there's
no
leaks
and
it's
safe
and
because
that's
really
what
this
is
all
about:
safe,
affordable.
N
You
know
heating
for
the
for
the
home,
so
yeah
we'll
be
able
to
do
that
kind
of
that
bucket
process.
So
to
hopefully
limit
our
time
driving
you
get
out
there,
you
do
four
or
five.
You
do
six
or
eight
that's
great.
You
drive
eight
different
times.
It
gets
cumbersome
some
and.
I
N
So
we'll
be
charging
standard
permitting
fees
as
it
is
based
on
the
amount
of
work,
that's
being
done.
So
if
and
I,
don't
have
the
table
in
front
of
me
but
say
you're
doing
a
four
thousand
dollar
amount
of
work.
That
would
probably
be
a
hundred
and
twenty
five
dollars
worth
of
permit
or
something
like
so
we'll
charge
that
commensurate
to
how
we
would
charge
that
that
cost
of
work
and
and
so
really
that
way,
we're
not
overextending
ourselves
or
just
kind
of
charging
it
in
in
a
group.
N
As
far
as
managing
the
grant
is
concerned,
they're
not
allowing
us
to
utilize
funds
for,
like
my
staff
time
for
Grant,
Management
and
and
that's
where
maybe
there'll
be
some
pushback
on
the
end
of
this
and
I'm,
not
quite
sure
exactly
how
that's
going
to
work
just
to
be.
You
know,
Frank
when
we're
doing
the
courthouse
basement
and
we're
managing
at
the
staff
level.
Wes
and
I
are
working
on
it
and
Anita's
working
on
that.
That
makes
great
sense
right.
It's
our
grant
for
our
building.
N
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
doing
too
much
at
the
staff
level.
So
we're
really
trying
to
kind
of
limit
the
amount
of
time
we're
putting
into
this,
but
we
we
also
still
have
to
meet
those
compliance
metrics
so
trying
to
kind
of
tow
that
line
without
being
able
to
say
a
grant
administration
fee
of
35.
000
and
I'll.
Tell
you
this
as
a
former
consultant
I
used
to
do
these
all
of
the
time.
N
I
would
probably
have
I,
don't
know
four
percent
as
a
starting
point,
so
I
would
probably
do
four
percent
of
the
Grant
and
two
percent
from
the
local
entity.
So
I
probably
get
sixty
thousand
dollars
to
do
this.
If
I
was
offering
to
do
this
as
a
grant
administrator
and
on
the
right
in
the
private
sector-
and
we
were-
we
were
not-for-profit,
so
we
didn't
add
costs.
So
you
think
take
that
two-fold.
N
It's
probably
a
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
dollars
worth
of
work,
but
then
I
don't
see
a
good
way
to
go
back
to
the
center
and
say
hey
you're,
giving
us
a
million
bucks,
that's
great,
but
you
had
to
pay
12
percent
of
it
to
Ben.
You
know
we
we're
just
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
that,
so
we're
really
going
to
try
and
figure
out
a
way
to
to
make
sure
we're
doing
everything
we
need
to
do,
but
not
be
too
out
there
and
I.
Think
that's.
N
I
What
I
want
you
guys
to
understand?
This
is
really
important.
So
when
Senator
Joyce
said
because
we
were
sitting
talking
about
the
pipeline,
how
we're
going
to
get
this
in
the
house
sure
we
got
a
pipeline.
How
are
you
going
to
get
it
out
of
the
pipe
and
into
the
houses?
That's
where
the
million
bucks
came
from?
If
not
us
stepping
up
and
saying
we'll
manage
this,
because
we've
got
the
infrastructure
to
both.
You
have
the
permitting
and
also
the
grant
experience,
but
guess
what
this
is
a
cost
to
the
county.
I
If
we
didn't
do
this,
I
don't
know
who
would
and
who
could
so
I.
This
is
how
we're
helping
the
project
I
just
want
people
to
know
that
we're
absorbing
a
lot
of
cost
to
do
this,
because
it's
the
right
thing
to
do,
but
it's
not
free
per
se,
and
thank
you
by
the
way.
It's
a
lot
of
work.
It's
a
lot
of
coordination,
because
I'm
sure
what
you've
arrived
at
today
is
not
where
it
started.
Eight
months
ago,.
N
No
and
that's
the
one
thing
that's
been
helpful,
though,
being
in
the
planning
department,
I
mean
we
through
Dell
I
can
immediately
tap
the
building
department
and
telling
Stephen
I
can
sit
down,
and
we
can
already
have
a
conversation
about
this.
It's
not
as
difficult
as
trying
to
reach
out
to
different
I
mean
I'm
already
in
the
department,
so
it
made
it
a
lot
easier
because
afforded
me
the
time
to
work
on
it.
So
yeah
we're
coming
along.
N
It's
a
process
like
all
all
things,
I,
just
I
want
this
committee
and
we
might
be
in
front
of
you
know
Finance
at
some
point
as
we
talk
about
how
the
money
flows
or
maybe
executive
from
an
IGA
standpoint,
we're
going
to
be
talking
to
the
board
as
much
as
we
can
and
then
at
some
point
we're
going
live
with
an
RFP.
Obviously,
the
board
will
do
the
final
approval
on
any
selected
vendor.
N
The
RFP
document,
just
for
the
identification
of
the
board
or
the
committee
will
be,
will
build
cost
in
where
we'll
probably
look
at
orifice
replacement,
new
water,
main
or
new
water,
heater
installation
and
gas
pipeline
per
linear
foot
costs.
So
we'll
get
three
cost
buckets
from
the
potential
vendors
we'll
review
those
and
then
we'll
do
the
overarching.
As
we
talk
about
that
lowest
responsible
bidder,
can
you
meet
wbmb?
Can
you
meet
the
compliance
things
that
the
state
of
Illinois
is
telling?
N
Do
you
have
the
capacity
to
do
to
do
230
homes
over
maybe
50,
to
15
month
periods
or
something
like
that?
N
Because
that's
not,
it
doesn't
seem
like
a
lot,
but
it's
a
lot
of
coordination
in
in
our
service
with
nikor
and
our
vendor
and
nikars
nikors
already
committed
that
their
vendor
will
sit
down
with
the
planning
department
and
our
our
selected
contractor
and
we'll
do
the
first,
probably
two
dozen
together,
just
like
everyone's
gonna,
be
a
lot
of
like
that
hand,
holding
everybody
learn
how
it
gets
done
and
then
it'll
really
kind
of
ramp.
Up
from
there,
so
I
think
we're
I'm
meeting
weekly
now
with
nikor
on
this
project.
N
A
You
for
that
explanation
in
the
the
follow-up
information,
the
county
certainly
is
providing
a
lot
of
valuable
professional
expertise
for
this
program.
I
guess
you
can
call
it
in
kind
almost,
but
it's
extremely
valuable
in
order
to
provide
this
service.
So
thank
you
very
much
any
other
questions
or
comments
about
that
agenda.
Item
on
the
natural
gas
conversion
contractor
solicitations.
N
You
know
two
two
slides
forward,
maybe
Kelly
on
that
same
deck.
We
kind
of
got
away
from
this,
and
so
I
want
to
get
back
into
just
giving
probably
more
regular
updates.
Idot
gives
us
pretty
regular
updates
on
on
road
projects,
but
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
we
do
on
the
planning
side
and
and
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
funds
that
are
available
at
you,
I
I'm
sure.
All
of
you
know
this.
N
N
N
We
have
what
we
call
each
sip,
so
that's
local,
highway
safety,
Improvement
program
in
June,
and
actually
we've
used
age
sip
before
within
our
mpo.
So
we're
looking
at
that
and
then
there's
this,
this
other
kind
of
Safe
Streets
for
all
so
ss4a
and
that's
due
in
July
and
that's
got
a
planning
component
and
a
an
implementation
component
and
we're
working
with
the
state
of
Illinois
about
doing
a
Statewide
plan.
N
At
some
point,
I
will
say:
I'm
probably
going
to
have
to
ask
the
chairman
to
make
an
announcement
in
a
meeting
that
we
are
committed
to
Goal
Zero
in
the
state
of
Illinois.
That's
like
one
of
the
key
requirements
of
ss4a
is
that
we
want
to.
We
want
to
commit
to
a
a
lofty,
but
if
we
never
commit
to
the
goal,
we'll
never
get
there
a
goal
of
Zero
fatalities
of
Road,
Road
users
and
and
non-motorized
users.
N
Again,
it's
one
of
the
requirements
so
at
some
point,
I'm
going
to
ask
that
and
Andy's
gonna
have
to
say
that,
while
the
cameras
are
rolling
but
and
I
think
that
I
can
tell
you
based
on
our
performance
measures,
we
are
committed
to
reducing
those
deaths.
It's
a
very
tall
order,
but
it's
the
programs
that
have
made
available
to
us
people
say
ijia.
We
say
bye,
partisan
infrastructure
law,
so
we're
on
Bill
Bill.
It's
all
the
same
thing.
It's
all
the
big
buckets
of
money
protect
is
840
million.
N
H
sip
is
a
couple
hundred
million
Safe
Streets
for
all
is
1.1
billion
B
right,
it's
good!
So
we're
looking
into
that
to
see.
Even
if
it's
not
us
as
an
applicant,
is
it
one
of
our
Community
Partners?
Is
it
Kankakee
and
Bradley
get
together
with
the
county
as
a
another
partner?
And
we
do
a
you
know
three
applic
we're
looking
into
kind
of
all
of
those
things
to
make
sure
we're
we're
getting
as
much
money
as
possible.
N
Obviously,
local
match
is
always
the
concern,
but
there
have
been
Partners
involved
in
some
of
our
previous
projects
where
they've
put
up
the
local
match
and
know
that
you
all
know
CSL
bearing
put
up
a
good
bit
of
money
to
do
a
stoplight
in
front
of
there.
If
the
timing
would
have
been
better,
maybe
we
could
have
got
a
grant
for
some
of
that
and
they
could
have
been
the
match.
So
there's
there's
always
a
little
bit
of
that
and
then
on
the
back
side.
Recently,
we've
done
some
training
Roberts.
N
Actually
he
was
not
yesterday
and
I
think
he
might
be
out
today.
So
Illinois
has
released
what
they're
calling
a
special
programs
conference
and
that's
to
cover
Illinois
trans
transmission
enhancement
program
safe
around
schools,
so
this
is
more
pad
focused
and
the
state
is
very
focused
on
what
they're
calling
VRU
and
that's
a
vulnerable
roadway
users.
N
This
idea
that,
if
you're
a
walker
on
a
road
you
don't
have
a
two
thousand
pound
cage
around
you
you're
much
more
vulnerable
as
a
user,
so
they
want
to
make
sure
that
those
safety
numbers
are
up
and
then
I
was
at
a
national
highway
institution
training
in
a
lot
just
two
weeks
ago,
now
doing
planning
and
environmental
linkages,
and
so
what
we're
really
trying
to
focus
on?
Is
we
look
at
projects
as
a
whole?
We
kind
of
step
back
and
make
sure
that
there's
not
adverse
environmental
impacts.
N
We're
trying
to
streamline
some
of
the
planning
make
sure
that
we're
taking
into
advisement
justice
40
as
we
look
forward
for
our
for
our
projects,
so
we're
we're
shifting
a
lot
and
planning
we're
doing
a
lot
more
things.
It
probably
doesn't
seem
like
a
lot
from
the
outside,
but
there's
a
lot
of
new
initiatives
and
I
just
want
to
keep
the
board
up
to
speed
on
kind
of
the
things
we're
looking
at
as
we
move
forward.
N
I
The
question
chairman
I'm
sorry,
there's
that
way
into
roads
these
days,
there's
a
lot
of
this
stuff
on
our
plate.
The
safe
roads
I've
looked
at
that
as
something
that
could
really
help.
Career
Center,
at
least
the
total
funding
package
for
doing
up
to
five
or
even
six
thousand
road,
but
there's
a
big
section
of
it.
There's
a
lot
of
school
traffic
is
that
what
safe
roads
is
for
is
addressing
the
because
we
have
a
lot
of
accidents
we're
on
the
caves.
I
We've
got
a
lot
of
A's
and
I'm
wondering
how
do
they
determine
on
safe
roads
and
things,
or
is
the
Matrix
too
large
to
even
get
into
so.
N
I
I
guess
the
the
way
the
state
now
looks
at
crashes.
It's
the
they
kind
of
minimize
crashes
as
it
when
we
talk
about
safety
right
so
from
a
density
standpoint,
the
way
they
used
to
look
at
it
versus
the
way
look
at
it
now,
they're,
not
as
impactful
in
The
Matrix.
So
it's
like
a
bigger,
you
know
thing
a
list
of
items
they
look
at.
They
do
still
look
at
that
and
a
and
BX
A
and
B
crashes
do
build
up
a
little
bit.
N
N
If
you
have
a
k,
it's
like
an
immediate
entry
and
and
that's
not
the
way
we
should
be
looking
at
things
as
a
state.
If
by
chance
you
have
a
k.
Yes,
we
should
address
the
problem,
but
we
shouldn't
be
waiting
around
for
a
k
to
make
make
a
change
right
and
so,
like
my
drive
home,
we
had
another
three
three
injury
yesterday,
around
52
just
north
of
Manhattan,
the
same
Baker.
N
N
You
know
kids
leaving
school
kids,
leaving
three
schools
and
and
then
we
were
doing
travel
time
this
two
weeks
ago
now
and
Robert
was
driving
the
segments,
and
he
said
you
know:
parents
are
turning
right
to
drop
off
and
they're
running
out
of
turn
lane
to
get
into
to
Liberty.
So
they
just
sit
in
the
right
lane
it's
in
lane
and
because
it's
not
a
triple
there's
no
way
to
go
around
them.
And
then
sometimes
people
are
racing
around
them.
Trying
to
get
around
and
looking.
Oh,
it's
only
four
or
five
or
six
cars.
N
I
can
go
around
them
and
somebody's
coming
southbound
and
we
don't
need
that.
We
need
some
improvements
in
those
segments
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
just
waiting
around
for
well
when
we
have
enough
A's,
add
up
or
we
get
a
couple
K's
and
we'll
make
some
changes
to
the
road,
so
yeah
I
would
I
would
agree
between
improved
pedestrian
access
for
the
kids
that
want
to
walk
and
Bike
to
School
we're
on
separate
paths,
not
crossing
streets.
N
G
Good
morning,
Ben
thanks
for
coming
out,
I
got
a
lot
of
areas
in
my
district
I
think
I
actually
wrote
you
and
you
and
I
wrote
through
Senator,
Sims
and
I.
Think
representative
Smith
was
with
me
one
time
and
we
went
through
all
the
over
40
over
90
degree
intersections.
We
have
around
just
in
my
district
alone
and
right
next
to
my
District
Two
I.
Think
Ray's
got
some
in
his
district
too.
G
So
are
those
going
to
be
like
circles
on
the
map
or
do
we
have
to
request
to
be
looked
at,
or
are
you
just
going
to
go
with
the
new
driver
on
and
see
what
you
think
is
bad
or
how
you
can
do
that.
N
Well,
there's
there's
kind
of
a
couple
pieces
to
that.
We
in
doing
our
regular
performance
measures
for
transportation.
We
look
at
crashes
and
it's
our
crash
map
and
we
talk
about
it
at
the
mpo
meeting
and
you
know
Tom
Caldwell
from
the
state
of
Illinois
from
State
planning.
Is
there
and
he
says
yours
looks
like
everybody
else's.
It's
a
smattering
of
crashes.
There's
no,
like
Smoking
Gun
of
look
at
this
intersection.
This
is
where
it's
like.
Just
kind
of
we
have
a
half
of
them
are
rural
half
of
our
Urban.
N
Half
our
fatalities
are
rural.
Half
our
fatalities
are
Urban.
It's
all
sorts
of
areas.
I
will
say
that
when
we
see
these
targeted
areas
and
we
work
through
the
Safety,
Committee
and
John,
you
know
we
bring
these
forward.
N
We
work
very
closely
with
with
the
gentleman
at
the
Fire
Protection
District
I'm
blanking,
on
his
name
now,
Scott
O'brien
he's
got
some
concern
areas
there
and
he's
actually
brought
forward
to
us
some
of
the
fire
reports
that
give
additional
information
that
we
might
not
have
on
our
crash
reports,
because
when
you're
at
a
county
line
it
might
go
to
Will,
County
I
know
the
sheriff
deals
with
this
regularly
at
8,
000,
South
and
45,
where
we've
had
two
or
three
fatalities
in
the
last
few
years,
but
they
get
coded
South
Health
into
Iroquois.
N
So
we're
not
even
seeing
the
crash
numbers
they're,
not
even
in
our
crash
system.
Now,
obviously,
the
sheriff
knows
because
he's
being
dispatched
so
we're
working
with
our
partners
and
that's
really
and
Dell
can
speak
more
on
this.
But
at
the
safety
committee
meeting
for
the
the
mpo,
which
was
two
weeks
ago
now
about
two
weeks,
there
was
a
request
to
do
more
than
just
look
at
the
dots
on
the
map
to
say
what
inferences
could
we
make?
N
What
may
be
actionable
items
could
come
out
of
this,
so
we
we've
got
handed
some
homework
downstairs
in
in
the
planning
department
to
look
at.
N
How
can
we
make
some
reasonable
assumptions
or
or
have
some
further
discussions
about
some
of
these
traffic
issues
that
are
happening
within
our
community,
so
yeah
and
John
and
I
know
when
I
was
on
the
drive
with
you
when
we're
on
with
secretary
Osmond
was
in
town,
we've
got
some
areas
up
there,
there's
a
there's,
a
ton
of
like
micro,
to
macro
conversations
to
have
about
this.
It's
East-West
truck
traffic
through
the
entire
County.
So
is
there
improvements
just
generally
to
have
about?
Do
we
improve
a
road
to
four
lanes?
N
Do
we
do
a
big
project?
Do
we
do
a
bunch
of
smaller
scale
price
and
so
we're
trying
to
kind
of
look
at
all
of
them
and
then
figure
out
which
ones
we
can
apply
for
funds
for
which
ones
we
can
match
for
and
which
projects
we
can
get
moving
and
and
then
to
the
earlier
point
about
time,
commitment
you
know,
which
ones
are
most
impactful,
which
ones
we
focus
on
now,
which
ones
do
we
do
in
in
in
coming
years,
because
at
some
point
it
becomes
a
human
capital
conversation.
N
We
can't
apply
for
50
grants
you
get
12
of
them
yay
and
then
who
implements
them.
I,
I,
frankly,
don't
know
and
so
trying
to
make
sure
that
we're
making
the
making
the
biggest
leaps
we
can
when
there's
Bill
a
billion
dollars
in
these
categories.
We
don't
want
to
wait
around
for
a
few
years
and
then
miss
out
and
because
Bill
Bill,
although
fantastic,
is
one
of
these
10-year
cycle
things
we're
not
seeing
you
know
the
last
infrastructure
bill
under
was
that
fast?
We
did
Fast
act,
it's
like
you.
N
You
see
one
of
these
every
eight
or
ten
years,
we're
not
seeing
them
every
four.
Four
year
cycle,
Illinois
is
not
going
to
pass
another
massive
Capital
Bill,
like
we
did
in
the
last
cycle
or
800
million
short
on
revenues.
I
saw
was
was
in
the
paper,
so
there's
been
some
massive
massive
budget
reductions,
one
thing's
nice
just
my
moment,
personal
plug.
It
looks
like
we're.
N
Gonna,
see
a
budget
way
faster
than
we've
ever
seen,
a
budget
in
the
state
of
Illinois,
because
they're
planning
an
ending
session
this
week,
and
so
like
maybe
like
two
weeks
before
they're
required
to
have
a
budget
put
together.
We'll
have
one.
So
maybe
someone
will
be
able
to
read.
It
would
be
cool,
not
just
good
at
Handy
to
them
in
the
last
moment,
but
that
likely
will
not
include
a
bunch
of
Transportation
money
from
the
state
of
Illinois,
not
with
his
budget
shortfall.
N
You
know
our
counties
big
enough
at
where
are
we
800
square
miles
or
something
we're
16.,
so
yeah
so
700
square
miles?
We're
big
enough
to
take
that?
We
just
don't
necessarily
have
that
asset,
so
yeah,
I,
I,
would
say
the
problem
is,
it
seems
to
be
with
enforcement
is
typically
what
ends
up
happening.
Is
they
pay
for
two
years
of
a
new
officer
or
a
new
patrolman?
And
then
we
come
back
to
you
and
say:
hey.
N
We
got
a
grant,
can,
can
you
continue
year,
three
through
Twenty
Eight,
it's
like,
and
so
that's,
usually
the
tough
one
on
the
enforcement
side,
but
yeah
being
able
to
enforce
some
of
these
issues.
Maybe
could
be
a
Band-Aid
where
we
know
we
need
to
do
work,
physical
infrastructure
improvements.
We
can't
get
to
them
yet,
but
if
we
could
maybe
do
some
extra
enforcement
to
slow
some
people
down
until
we
could
get
the
fix
done.
F
N
Very
bad
yeah
and
there's
I
mean
just
like
again:
I
I,
don't
want
to
keep
all
of
you,
because
if
I'm
going
to
Road
nerdum
four
lanes
is
much
better
than
three
lanes
in
that
instance,
or
you
know
the
idea
that,
when
somebody's
turning
right
in
the
right
lane,
you
just
get
in
the
left
lane
and
go
around
them,
but
you're
trapped
in
that
segment
and
you're,
essentially
in
a
two-lane
road,
because
you're
not
supposed
to
be
using
what
we
call
the
suicide
Lane.
N
These
are
higher
instances
for
head
on
collisions
and
people
just
still
pass
in
them,
and
so
somebody's
headed,
you
know,
eastbound
just
trying
to
turn
left
and
I'm
mad
because
I'm
behind
somebody
who's
going
too
slow
and
I
just
jump
in
the
center
lane.
That
can
get
very
dicey,
so
yeah
it.
But
if
you
know
that,
if
you
do
things
like
that,
you're
going
to
to
see
a
patrolman,
you
know
you're
going
to
get
a
ticket,
then,
as
we
work
at
for
the
10
or
15
or
18
million
dollar
fix
long-term.
You
know.
F
The
the
other
two
intersections
that
are
out
there
that
they
just
need
to
fix,
is
Warner
bridge
and
113.
and
115
and
Lehigh
Road.
You
know
the
semis
are
coming
up
from
the
south
on
Lehigh
from
all
the
way
from
guildman
on
roads
that
they
shouldn't
be
on
and
we've
had
many
accidents
there
very
serious
injury
accidents
there
and
the
trucks
coming
off
of
the
Intermodal
at
113
and
Warner
Bridge
are
amazing,
yeah
and.
N
Then
there's
and
we
do
and
again
for
users
that
you
do
not
know
we
have
what
they
call
them:
blue
sky,
blue,
star
counters,
so
they're
magnetic
counters.
We
place
them
all
over
the
road
system
all
over
the
summer.
How
we?
You
know
it's
time,
sweating
we
glue
them
down,
we
take
the
couch,
we
get
speeds
off
of
those,
so
we
get
speeds
in
vehicle
bins.
So
we
know
what
size
Vehicles
we
have
out
there
and
we
know
how
fast
they're
going
and
we
work
off
something
called
the
85th
percentile
for
Speed.
N
It's
like
so
15
of
people
are
above
that
and
you're
like
what
are
they
doing
like
that's,
that's,
very
dicey,
and
so,
especially
when
it's
in
areas
where
we've
seen
repetitive
crashes,
you
know,
potentially
enforcement
could
be
a
good
way
to
to
kind
of
call
that
on
the
front
end,
while
we
work
for
you
know
what
might
be
the
right
fix
from
a
infrastructure
standpoint.
G
Yeah
I
had
I
had
one
more
for
you
Ben.
Is
there
any
way
as
a
county?
Here
we
could
take
a
look
at
instead
of
just
you
know,
kills
and
accidents.
We
could
look
at
like
transports.
Maybe-
or
you
know
you
know,
people
beat
their
forehead
to
get
a
Band-Aid
put
on
her
forehead
and
they
get
back
in
their
car
and
they
go
on
their
way
by
the
ambulance.
G
That
really
isn't
very,
you,
know
a
significant
item,
but
if
they
get
transported
to
the
hospital
is
there
can
we
put
like
a
T
and
A
K
and.
N
You
know:
well,
that's
that's
set
already,
so
we
have,
we
have
K's
and
we
have
A's
B's
and
C's.
So
we
have
the
tiers
of
crashes
that
already
exist
and
and
locally
we
could
prioritize
based
on
transports
the
more
cars
you
have
on
the
road,
the
more
likely
you're
going
to
have
numbers
and
it
kind
of
all
works
out
in
a
similar
percentage
unless
there's
some
anomaly
to
the
traffic
system.
N
So
if
there's
3
500
average
daily
cars,
then
there's
likely
to
be
400
average
daily
trucks
and
there's
likely
to
be
X
number
of
crashes
per
year.
N
It's
just
kind
of
the
way
math
works
out,
so
it
would
be
the
question
of
whether
or
not
we're
seeing
a
vast
number
of
crashes
that
require
large
numbers
of
resources
from
the
government
that
we
would
want
to
then
look
at
right,
so
that
I
would
say
if
there
was
an
area
where
the
government
felt
that
we
were
expending
large
numbers
of
resources
for
a
low
number
of
crashes
or
a
low
number
of
traffic
volume.
That
would
be
one
of
the
things
you
you
would
want
to
fix
right.
N
You
you,
if
you
have
a
lot
of
crashes
and
you
spend
a
lot
of
resources.
Okay,
that
kind
of
makes
sense,
but
yeah
I,
I,
just
I,
don't
know
of
any
areas
where
you're
like
point
to
that
spot
and
go
man
that
that
one's,
if
I,
could
just
erase
that
one
spot
our
traffic
system
would
be
great
again.
It's
it's
everywhere
throughout
the
county.
G
N
I,
don't
I
don't
believe
Delbert
will.
Let
me
do
that.
That's
my
a
number
one
safety
measure
for
for
traffic.
If
we,
you
know,
if
we
close
it,
no.
N
N
We
had
this
discussion
and
and
again
I'm,
so
we
have
an
intersection
in
Will
County
by
Manhattan.
There
was
another
crash
last
night
shut
the
road
down.
It's
the
same
things
with
the
same
geometry
that
we
have,
and
so,
of
course,
the
court
of
public
opinion
is.
They
should
do
this
this
and
this
they
should
put
a
traffic
light.
We're
talking
about
a
road
that
has
ten
to
one.
N
That's
the
trouble
with
twelve
thousand
North.
Twelve
thousand
North
is
getting
busier,
but
50
is
markedly
busier
and
so
trying
to
put
a
traffic
light.
There
typically
I
not
follows
the
rules.
If
it
meets
the
metric,
they
do
it.
If
it
doesn't
they
don't
so
when
they
went
out
for
their
safety
visit,
they
elevated
the
height
of
the
stop
signs.
N
So
when
you're
traveling,
eastbound
and
12
000
North,
because
you're
kind
of
going
up
over
the
railroad
tracks,
there's
now
an
elevated
stop
sign
with
a
flasher
there's
a
left
side
stop
sign
right,
so
there
previously
wasn't
those
things.
But
frankly,
our
fatality
up,
there
was
a
guy
who
ran
the
gates
and
got
hit
by
a
train,
had
nothing
to
do
with
roadway.
That
was
our
that
was
our
recent
fatality
at
12
000
North.
N
We
have
had
some
some
A's
up
there,
but
they're
the
one
instance
that
we
brought
to
our
attention
and
again
kick
me
off
the
mic.
I,
don't
car,
turning
left
truck,
saying
come
on
out.
You
need
to
get
out
of
here,
so
I
can
get
on
12
000.,
it's
a
four
lane.
So
there
was
a
car
in
the
left
lane
that
hit
them.
N
That
driver
of
the
vehicle
is
saying
come
on
out
is
not
a
traffic
control
device.
He
he
cannot
tell
you
to
come.
I
mean
the
whole
like
yeah
go
ahead
and
go
like
no,
it's
a
four-way.
Stop
it's
a
two-way
stop.
I
have
to
follow
the
stopping
I,
get
that
you're
trying
to
turn
right
and
I'm
in
your
way,
because
you
can't
make
the
sweep
so
there
potentially
could
be
a
geometry
train
change
there
to
fix
that
one
instance.
You
know
if
there
was
a
wider
sweep.
That
truck
could
turn
right.
N
He
wouldn't
be
doing
that
and
then
you
wouldn't
have
maybe
a
sight
line
issue
that
could
potentially
create
other
issues
within
the
intersection.
Jersey
barriers
on
12,
000,
North,
just
shut.
The
road
off
would
be
a
really
good
way
to
limit
the
crashes,
but
I
think
we
talked
about
this.
Yeah
we'd
have
busier.
Route,
17
and
we'd
have
busier.
You
know:
5000
North
we'd
have
a
busy
or
something
else
that
the
traffic
needs
to
flow
so
working
with
idot
on
their
team.
They
do
what
they
need
to
do.
N
We
have
to
stay
on
them
because
these
locals
highway
safety
visits
or
how
these
things
get
changed.
One
Route
One,
Thousand,
sorry
route,
one,
seven,
twelve
thousand
north
of
Route
One
got
changed
because
of
a
highway
safety
visit
with
iodine.
That's
how
you
have
those
wider
turns
there,
because
again,
that's
an
intersection
where
it's
kind
of
a
NorthEast
Southwest
to
to
East,
West
and
so
they've
made
it
easier
for
the
trucks
to
turn
and
see
by
making
the
intersection
larger.
N
So
they
do
things
like
that
to
make
it
easier
some
fit,
and
that
works
well,
some
do
not.
So
we
have
to
work
for
alternative
methods.
John
I,
just
I
feel
like
there's,
not
a
there's,
there's
not
a
Magic
Bullet.
Here
it's
about
looking
at
the
system
as
a
whole
and
seeing
what
what
projects
we
can
take
on.
L
C
Oh
yes,
we
do
have
that
through
our
scanning
and
digitizing
of
all
of
our
records.
We
have
about
seven
I,
think
the
count
today
was
17
filing
cabinets
that
we
need
to
be
need
to
declare
Surplus
currently
they're
the
four
drawer
style
legal
size.
We
have
gotten
rid
of
some
of
them.
Animal
control
took
six
or
seven
of
them,
I
think
it
was,
but
so
we're
we've
asked
and
we've
asked
nobody
else
wants
any
of
the
rest
of
them.
A
Has
been
made
and
seconded
all
those
approved,
say,
aye
aye,
all
those
suppose
say:
nay,
okay,
great
before
we
adjourn
I
want
to
thank
staff
for
the
preparation
of
this
meeting
and
open
it
runs
smoothly.
We
did
have
a
difficult
discussion
there
for
a
bit.
Thank
you
for
keeping
it
professional
other
than
that.
I
would
entertain
a
motion
to
adjourn
Mr.