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Planning, Zoning & Agriculture Committee Meeting 03/16/2022 9:00am
A
B
B
A
All
right,
we
have
a
quorum
okay
proceed
as
normal
here.
Okay,
do
we
have
any
public
comment?
I
wasn't
notified
of
any.
Does
anyone
have
any
public
comment?
I
don't
see
anyone
here
for
that.
Okay,
so
I
like
to
ask
for
approval
of
the
minutes.
Is
everybody
had
a
chance
to
look
through
them
and
anybody
want
to
make
any
deletions
or
changes
otherwise
I'll
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
them?
A
D
You
should
have
this
in
your
packet
for
february
2022,
we
issued
34
permits
with
a
valuation
of
743
000
and
brought
in
revenue
of
ten
thousand
eight
hundred
and
sixty
one
dollars.
That's
a
little
lower
than
the
february
of
2021,
where
we
brought
in
revenue
of
twelve
thousand
seven
hundred
okay.
A
Okay,
we
haven't,
we
need
a
motion
to
approve
that
and
go
ahead
and
approve
the
billing
report.
Okay,
mr
ekkoff,
back
there,
mr
kirkster
second,
all
in
favor,
say
aye.
Okay,
thank
you.
Next
up
zoning
zoning
process,
dell's
gonna
update
everybody.
We
have
some
zoning
things
coming
in.
He
wants
to
upshirt,
make
sure
everybody
has
the
process
understands
the
process,
pretty
good.
D
We
have
some
complicated
zoning
cases
coming
up
on
the
near
horizon
and
chairman
wheeler
thought
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
go
over
the
process
once
again
to
make
sure
everyone's
on
the
same
page.
D
So
the
zoning
request
process
is
a
five-part
process.
This
is
initiated
when
a
change
in
zoning
or
change
to
the
ordinance
is
warranted.
Five
part
process.
Part
one
is
application
for
zoning
action.
That's
where
the
property
owner
or
project
owner
applies
for
the
zoning
action
and
tells
us
what
they
would
like
to
do.
Second
part
is
notice,
notice
of
surrounding
property.
D
We're
gonna
go
into
more
detail
on
each
of
these
and
then
there's
a
three
meeting
process
and
each
one
of
these
boards
or
committees
has
its
has
a
specific
role
in
this
process.
So
it's
the
zoning
board,
the
planning
and
zoning
and
agriculture
committee,
this
committee
and
the
county
board,
and
we're
going
to
go
over
those
here
in
in
a
moment.
D
If
you
don't
mind,
mr
chairman,
we
could
take
questions
as
we
go.
That's
is.
A
D
Okay,
the
application,
when
we
receive
an
application
in
our
office,
we're
looking
for
certain
things
to
make
sure
that
they
are
there
that
is
required
by
law.
One
is
the
pr
property
owner
and
the
applicant
if
different
than
the
property
owner
must
sign,
the
application
must
contain
a
legal
description
of
the
property
must
include
a
description
of
the
needed.
D
Action
must
include
answers
to
the
findings
of
fact,
those
change,
depending
on
the
action
requested
and
other
information
that
may
be
required,
depending
on
the
action
they
apply
for
the
zoning
action
staff
has
five
days
to
review
the
application
for
completeness
and
that's
what
we're
looking
for
is
by
completeness
is:
are
those
items
we're
not
looking
for
what
actual
answers
are
given
or
the
content
just
that
the
application
is
complete
once
we've
declared
it
to
be
complete?
D
We
schedule
a
case
for
the
next
zoning
board
of
appeals
to
host
a
public
hearing
at
that
time.
We
also
generate
a
staff
report,
and
this
is
this
report
gives
the
pertinent
pertinent
aspects
of
the
case,
as
well
as
the
staff's
opinion
is
as
to
how
it
how
it
complies
or
meets
with
the
various
ordinances
in
the
comprehensive
plan
of
the
county
and
or
municipalities.
D
If
it's
close
to
a
municipality,
and
it
will
also
include
suggested
information,
the
zba
should
be
requesting
that
may
not
have
been
included
in
the
application
in
the
case
of
a
special
use.
Permit
staff
would
also
usually
recommend
conditions
that
they
feel
would
be
helpful
to
mitigate
any
any
detrimental
effects.
All
right
types.
A
D
Always
been
there,
we
have
five
days
before
to
review
an
application
before
we
declare
it.
Okay,
it's
actually
filed
okay,
yes,
types
of
zoning
actions:
these
are
the
types
of
requests
that
you
might
see
a
map
amendment
commonly
referred
to
as
rezoning.
This
is
when
a
a
property
owner
would
like
to
change
the
zoning,
the
physical
zoning
of
their
property
say
from
residential
to
commercial
or
industrial
or
agricultural
to
rural
estate.
D
That
is
a
legislative
action
we'll
get
to
those
much
later,
because
that
doesn't
make
a
difference
when
it
comes
to
communications
text
amendment,
when
someone
would
like
to
change
our
ordinance,
that
is
another
action
that
you
would.
You
would
look
at.
D
Typically,
those
are
sponsored
by
a
county
board
member
and
we
usually
bring
them
before
this
committee
before
we
start
the
process
special
use
permit
that
doesn't
change
the
zoning
of
a
pro
of
a
property,
but
because
of
the
project's
nature,
it
may
require
special
permission
due
to
mitigating
factors,
variance
that's
when
a
project
doesn't
meet
the
bulk
requirements
of
our
ordinance,
such
as
setbacks
lot
with
building
height.
D
D
Appeals
from
administrative
decisions
occur
when
a
when
a
does
not
agree
with
the
decision
that
my
department
has
made
and
would
like
it
to
be
reviewed
by
a
committee.
That
only
happens.
It's
only
happened
about
twice
while
I've
been
here,
but
it
does
happen.
They
all
follow
a
similar
process,
but
there
are
some
differences.
D
Next,
one
notice
when
it's
time
to
do
the
notices
15
days
prior
to
the
public
hearing,
both
a
notice
in
the
newspaper
and
a
notice
to
all
adjoining
property
owners
and
any
municipalities
within
a
mile
and
a
half
of
the
site
must
be
notified.
The
notices
to
the
adjoining
property
owners
and
the
municipalities
must
be
certified
mail
and
we
must
have
proof
that
they
were
distributed.
E
You
clarify
for
me
on
the
different
between
permissive
use
and
versus
the
permissive
building
use
in
the
respective
zoning
district.
E
If
there
is
what
will
be
the
day
between,
if
one
has
a
permissive
use
versus
a
permissive
building
use-
and
I
saw
read
that
through
your
allow-
you
all
adopt
these
codes
and
it
says
permissive
use,
then
it
says
permissive
building
use
in
a
zoning
district.
D
E
D
D
D
D
E
D
E
It
was
looking
like
they
put
a
gazebo
on
their
property.
You
know
versus
a
shed
versus
a
dog
house,
they're
saying
if
that's
permitted,
use.
D
D
Get
it
clear,
yeah
all
right,
I
think
I've
covered
notices,
zoning
board
of
appeals.
This
is
the
first
stop
for
any
zoning
case.
To
be
heard,
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
hold
a
public
hearing
to
consider
the
zoning
action.
This
is
the
time
where
all
information,
all
testimony
all
debate.
All
discussion
occurs.
D
D
Just
a
little
side
note
on
that,
a
concurring
vote
of
four
members
is
required
to
make
a
recommendation,
so
there
must
be
four
concurring
votes
to
send
a
recommendation
on
to
the
planning
and
zoning
committee.
If
that
fails,
then
it
goes
before
the
planning
and
zoning
committee
without
recommendation.
So
there
must
be
four
votes
either
positive
or
negative
in
order
for
them
to
make
a
recommendation,
and
if
we
have
all
seven
members
and
they're
all
seated-
that's
usually
not
a
problem.
It
usually
becomes
a
problem
when
we
have
less
than
the
whole.
D
D
D
The
board
may
ask
questions
during
this
time.
Sometimes
they
wait
till
the
end
next
one.
Once
the
applicants
complete
their
plea,
then
the
chairman
opens
it
up
for
the
public
to
present
any
evidence,
comments
or
information
that
they
have.
The
board
may
also
ask
questions
of
the
public
upon
completion
of
the
public
comment
period.
D
The
applicant
is
given
time
to
respond
to
those
to
any
issues
that
came
up
during
that
they
are
not
obligated
to
respond
to
the
public,
but
they
are
obligated
to
respond
to
the
board
so
generally,
if
they
don't
want
to
respond
to
a
particular
question,
the
board
will
ask
the
same
question
once
that
is
completed,
and
sometimes
that
does
go
back
and
forth
for
a
while
and
debated
once
that's
done,
the
board
will
close
the
deliberations
or
we'll
close
the
public
hearing,
and
then
they
will
go
into
deliberations
where
they
discuss
the
aspects
of
the
case,
the
findings
of
fact
and
determine
what
their
recommendation
would
be.
D
This
is
also
the
time
where
they
would
build
the
findings
of
fact,
generally
a
well
not
generally
at
all
times,
there's
a
list
of
findings
of
fact
for
each
one
of
these
actions
and
the
applicant
must
give
their
answers
as
to
how
their
project
meets
those
findings
of
fact,
the
and
then
the
zoning
board
will
discuss
whether
they
agree
or
do
not
agree
and
how
they
should
be
changed
when
it
comes
to
the
findings.
D
At
that
time
they
will
make
a
recommendation
to
either
approve
or
deny
the
action
and
a
vote
is
taken,
and
then
the
hearing
is
adjourned.
After
that
staff
will
create
the
finding
of
fact
report,
which
is
based
on
the
findings
that
were
discussed
by
the
zoning
board.
D
Findings
of
fact
is
the
basis
that
determines
the
justification
for
why
the
board
made
the
decision
that
it
made
each
each
action
does
have
its
own
set
of
findings
that
that
must
be
considered.
They
are
different
for
a
special
use
permit
than
a
rezoning
or
a
variance.
Variances
only
have
four
special
use
permits
have
six
map
amendments,
rezonings
text
amendments
have
anywhere
from
9
to
11,
depending
on
which
kind
of
action
you're
taking.
D
D
You
have
to
think
of
yourself
as
think
of
this
as
a
court
case,
and
the
board
is
the
judge
and
jury
the
courts
don't
allow
the
judges
and
jury
to
run
around
the
county
asking
for
more
information.
They
base
their
decision
on
the
information
presented.
This
is
very
similar
and
the
public
hearing
is
the
only
time
new
evidence
can
be
presented,
not
at
the
planning
and
zoning
committee,
not
at
the
county
board
meetings.
D
They
must
be
developed
for
each
case
and
they
must
be
supported.
The
finance
effect
must
be
supported
by
the
facts
of
the
case
and
it's
based
on
a
preponderance
of
the
evidence,
which
is
the
facts
not
on
opinions,
speculation,
personalities,
emotions
or
feelings.
Those
have
no
place
in
this
process.
F
D
We
have
two
things
at
odds
here:
one
the.
D
The
need
to
limit
the
decision
to
the
to
the
record
of
the
case,
which
is
the
public
hearing
and
the
requirement
for
planning
and
zoning
and
county
board
to
have
public
comment
right
that
that
is
at
odds
with
each
other.
We've
never
came
up
with
a
good
solution
to
that.
My
recommendation
to
the
board
members
is
to
take
that
into
consideration
that
public
comment
at
those
subsequent
meetings
is
just
that.
D
It's
not
substantiated,
it's
not
supported
by
evidence,
and
you
should
not
use
that
information
in
your
decision-making
process,
but
each
person
is
different
and
they'll
handle
it
their
own
way.
I
can't
control
that
right.
I
know
some
counties.
Some
municipalities
hold
public
comment
to
the
end
of
the
meeting
so
that
it
doesn't
affect
the
case.
D
F
D
D
I
have
seen
that
happen.
I've
seen
it
happen
in
this
room
where
the
zoning
board
recommended
approval,
the
evidence
and
the
facts
warranted
an
approval,
but
because
of
objectors
speaking
at
public
comment,
the
last
thing
the
board
heard
was
that
they
went
against
the
zoning
board
in
the
recommendation.
I
have
seen
that.
A
It's
like,
if
somebody
comes
into
pca,
they're
limited
we're
limited
to
15
minutes
right
at
the
pga
level,
too
yeah
yeah.
That's
that's
so
somebody
couldn't
come
in
and
start
rabbling
off
a
bunch
of
facts
and
new
stuff
towards
the
case.
And
if
you
do,
you
can't
consider
it
at
all.
We
really
should
just
let
them
say
it
and
then
that's
it.
D
And
we've
typically
extended
that
15
minutes
yeah
many
many
times
so
so
you
should
not
consider
anything
but
the
record
itself.
You
are
giving
a
staff
report,
the
findings
of
fact
report
and
any
other
pertinent
information
in
your
packets
and
that's
what
you
should
be
reviewing
to
base
your
decision
on.
A
D
We'll
get
to
that
in
a
few
slides,
okay,
but
okay,
just
checking
depends
on
how
you
use
that
information.
I
believe,
but
it
could
be.
Okay,
okay,.
D
Yeah
we're
up
there.
Okay,
this
just
talks
about.
I
think
I've
already
covered
this.
The
findings
have
been
generated
by
case
law.
These
are
not
questions
that
we
just
randomly
came
up
with
over
the
years
since
zoning
was
enacted
in
1925.
D
There's
been
various
court
cases
and
one
of
the
big
ones
that
started
the
findings
effect
was
the
lasalle
that
used
to
be
called
the
south
actuators,
which
was
the
state
bank
of
lasalle
versus,
I
think,
cook
county,
which
the
judge
in
that
particular
case
said
that
the
zoning
board
could
not
had
to
base
their
recommendation
on
facts
of
the
case
and
that's
where,
and
the
judge
gave
six,
I
think,
was
six
at
that
time.
D
Specific
questions
that
should
be
answered
for
a
case
they've
been
expanded
over
the
years,
but
that's
where
findings
come
from
and
they
are
different
for,
depending
on
the
action
now
when
it
comes
to
findings,
those
are
the
standards
the
county
has
set.
The
case
must
meet
all
of
those
standards.
If
there's
four
findings,
you
must
be
able
to
say
yes
to
all
four
findings.
If
you
can
only
say
yes
to
three
of
them,
you
should
deny
the
case.
C
D
And
the
board,
or
its
members
should
never
attempt
to
prove
or
disprove
a
case
or
testify
on
behalf
of
either
side.
So
this
kind
of
comes
to
your
your
point
and
I'll
get
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
that.
In
a
minute
of
doing
your
own
research
depends
on
how
you
how
you
do
that
the
planning
and
zoning
committee
that
would
be
this
committee,
your
your
role
in
this
process,
is
not
to
gather
facts.
D
F
D
It
should
be
specific,
like
that
it
doesn't
always
happen.
It
seems
to
me
I
I
get
the
feeling
many
times
the
board
wants
to,
because
it's
a
contentious
case.
They
want
to
send
it
back
just
to
delay
it
or
to
avoid
making
a
decision,
but
you
never
avoid
it.
It
always
comes
back
so,
but
you
should,
if,
let's
say
you
think
that
this
particular
project
is
going
to
create
too
much
traffic
on
the
road.
You
would
send
it
back
to
the
zoning
board
so
that
the
applicant
would
maybe
have
to
produce
a
traffic
study.
D
D
You
are
the
decision
maker,
so
you
should
not
be
testifying
for
the
applicant
or
the
objectors
so
presenting
that
information
and
how
you
present
it.
You
could
be
testifying.
A
Okay,
the
one
question
I
had
one
time
dell
is
we
talk
about
information
and
questions
and
right
information
pertinent
to
the
questions,
and
we
don't
think
we
had
enough
of
it
or
whatever
we
really
don't
get
transcripts
of
we
get.
You
give
us
kind
of
like
a
highlight.
Does
that
count
as
our
findings
or
do
we
need
to
write
our
own.
D
Generally,
by
the
between
the
time
it
gets
from
the
zoning
board
to
the
pza.
The
transcripts
are
not
available
yeah.
Now
you
can
delay
a
case
if
you
think
you
need
to
read
the
transcripts
okay,
you
can
certainly
believe
the
terminology
would
be
table
a
case
table
it.
Would
that
mean?
Can.
D
The
paper
there
would
be
no
reason
to
send
it
back
to
just
because
you
don't
have
the
no,
I
mean
the
transcripts
because
they
will
be
available,
so
there's
you're
not
adding
anything
to
the
transcripts
you're
just
waiting
for
them
to
appear
to
expedite
things.
We
generally
don't
wait
for
the
transcripts
we
can,
but
that's
probably
going
to
delay
every
case
by
a
month
or
maybe
two.
D
Sometimes,
though,
you
do
need
to
read
the
transcripts.
I
try
to
part
of
my
presentation
is
to
try
to
tell
you
what
happened
at
the
meeting.
But
if
you
want
specific
information-
and
you
want
to
read
the
transcripts,
then
you
would
have
to
delay
the
case
until
you.
Those
are
available.
Okay,.
E
Somewhat
I'm
drawing
a
conclusion,
because
you
cited
a
case-
that's
68
years
old
and
it's
a
supreme
court
case.
So
there's
no
current
case
after
that.
E
So
that's
like
the
rule
of
law
before
I
go
further
because
there's
one
sentence
in
here
that
I
would
like
clarify-
because
basically
it's
telling
me
from
reading
this
case
that
every
case
is
subjective
because
it
has
its
own
set
of
variables,
and
so
with
that
being
the
case,
if
you
are
sitting
in
our
seats
as
the
trial
facts
or
whatever
you
say
in
the
hearing,
then
that
means
that
it
will
be
incumbent
upon
us
to
have
had
some
type
of
constructive
research
in
the
respective
area
of
the
of
what
we
have
done
in
the
past,
maybe
looking
at
the
different
variables
that
might
exist
along
with
taking
information
from
you
as
well
as
I
guess
how
the
board
has
has
ruled
in
the
past,
taking
all
that
into
consideration
given
that
pacific
area,
because
that
area
in
maybe
pembroke
is
different
in
hersche.
D
D
What's
going
on
in
pembroke
may
be
entirely
different
than
hershey.
Each
property
is
unique:
each
has
its
own
set
of
issues
size,
there's,
yes,
each
one's
unique
and
each
case
needs
to
be
considered
on
its
own
merits.
Now
determining
what
the
county
may
have
done
in
the
past
in
a
similar
case
is
good.
D
Okay,
if
you
typically
have
been
approving
a
case
similar
to
that,
then
you
probably
should
approve
this
one.
Unless
there
are,
there
are
situations
regarding
this
case
that
makes
it
unique.
Yes,
you
should
okay.
So
I
think
the
answer
to
your
question
is
yes
and
yes,
there
have
been
additional
court
cases.
That
was
the
one
that
started.
The
findings
effect
was
the
lasalle
after
that,
like
I
said,
they've
been
refined.
That's
why
we
have
nine
for
some
of
our
cases,
not
just
six
anymore.
A
D
There
you
go
okay,
so
everyone's
understanding
that
pga
is
a
review
committee
in
this
regard.
Not
a
fact-finding
committee
then
presuming
they
forward
it
to
the
county
board
and
did
not
send
it
back
to
the
zoning
board.
The
county
board
reviews
the
findings
of
facts,
so
they
review
and
the
recommendation
of
both
the
zoning
board
and
the
planning
and
zoning
committee
and
the
county
board's
job
is
to
make
a
final
decision.
Okay,
county
board
is
the
decision
makers.
Mr
wheeler
had
a
question.
Oh
I'm
sorry.
F
D
D
D
D
D
If
they
disagree
with
both
with
the
zoning
board
or
pca
or
both
just
like
the
planning
and
zoning
committee,
they
must
make
their
own
findings
a
fact.
They
can
still
do
that
at
the
county
board
level
or
they
can
send
it
back
to
zoning
board
again
if
they,
if
the
county
board
as
a
whole,
does
not
feel
they
did
enough
gathered
enough
information-
okay,
not
necessarily
just
because
you
didn't
agree
with
their
decision.
D
E
Okay,
then
it
goes
into
the
into
the
courts
for
under
the
kind
of
administrative.
D
Reviews
is
that
the
correct
term,
for
it
generally,
when
it
gets
to
the
courts,
the
courts
are
only
reviewing
it
based
on
the
evidence
and
the
record,
just
like
the
county
board
in
planning
and
zoning
should
be
so,
there's
no
opportunity
to
introduce
new
evidence
or
new
information.
So.
D
Okay,
how
can
I
make
good
decisions?
You
can
certainly
visit
a
site,
you
can
drive
by
it
and
I
would
recommend
you
do
so
so
you
can
see
just
how
it
fits
into
the
context
of
everything
around
it
and
kind
of
visualize.
What
they're
trying
to
do
there,
however,
while
you're
doing
that
and
I've
had
it
happen
when
I
go
out
and
visit
sites,
either
the
property
owner
or
a
neighbor
will
come
out
and
start
talking
to
you.
Wanna
know
why
you're
there
you
should
not
talk
to
them,
it's
their
property.
D
You
can
tell
them
what
you're
doing,
but
you
should
not
be
answering
questions.
You
should
not
be
asking
questions
of
them
because
that
comes
into
ex
parte
communications,
so
just
tell
them
what
you're
doing
and
if
they
have
a
problem
with
that,
you
can
always
leave
and
come
back
later,
but
you
should
not
talk
to
them
while
you're
out
there,
because
you
may
hear
information
that
was
not
presented
at
the
hearing.
Okay,
you
should
review
the
application.
D
We
create
a
staff
report,
we
fi,
we
recruit.
We
create
a
findings
of
fact
report
most
of
the
info
and
the
application
between
those
three
documents
should
give
you
just
about
all
the
information
you
need.
The
only
fourth
one
would
be
the
actual
transcripts
and
or
exhibits
that
would
be
included.
Most
of
the
exhibits
do
come
in
the
staff
report
or
the
findings
of
fat
case,
so
you
should
review
those
those.
Those
will
give
you
all
the
information
about
that
you
should
should
need
to
make
a
decision
on
that
case.
D
D
F
Okay,
mr
wheeler,
real
quick.
If
somebody
submits
one
of
those
big
poster
boards,
you
know
you
see
those
for
the
larger
projects
and
it's
discussed
in
pz.
You
know
zba
comes
here
and
then
we
ask
for
some
clarification
about
one
part
of
that
piece
of
evidence
that
wasn't
discussed
in
zba
so,
like
they
just
say
hey
over
here.
You
know
what's
this
going
on
over
here
and
if
they
didn't
ask
that
in
in
zba,
because
it's
already
evidence
at
that
point.
It's
been
introduced
and
we're
looking
for
clarification.
D
I
think
you're
okay,
there,
because
that
entire
poster
board,
yeah
in
a
hole
as
a
whole,
was
presented
as
evidence.
Okay,
just
because
a
particular
part
of
it
was
not
discussed,
it's
still
evidence
and
I
think
it
opens
the
door
for
all
of
it
to
be
discussed.
Okay
thanks
does
it
have
to
be
marked,
as
in
the
exhibit,
though,
depending
on
the
question
I
may
not
be
able,
because
if
they
did
not
give
me
an
answer
to
that
question
in
zoning
board,
I
cannot
give
you
an
answer
at
pza.
D
D
D
It
has
been
filed,
but
before
a
decision
has
been
made,
it's
an
active
case,
a
board
member
that
has
to
make
a
decision
any
on
any
three
of
these
boards
should
not
be
discussing
the
any
aspect
of
that
case
with
anyone
outside
of
the
public
hearing
or
the
public
meeting.
Okay
should
not
do
it.
So
if
you
visit
the
site,
you
should
not
talk
to
anybody.
D
D
D
That
gets
very
close
to
being
considered
evidence
or
testimony,
and
if
you
need,
you
feel
the
need
to
do
that,
it
should
be
at
the
public
hearing.
If
you
find
out
that
you
have
that
need
when
it
gets
to
planning
and
zone
or
county
board,
you
should
send
it
back
to
zoning
board
so
that
you
can
state
your
case.
There.
D
E
Walking
that
same
fine
line,
because
I
do
know
that
if
you,
if
judges
are
sitting,
if
they
have
history
kind
of
thing
like
what
you
basically
force
stated
if
the
county
has
in
the
past,
approved
these
findings,
they
can
use
existing
findings
in
order
to
make
their
decision
so
that
information
would
be
okay
in
that
regard,
because
they're
basing
it
off
of
historical
facts
of
the
past.
Without
it
you're
saying
coming
from
the
outside
outside
information,
it
would
be
hearing
other
individuals
and
things
of
this
nature.
D
C
D
C
D
D
I
have
seen
it
before
where
the
number
of
people
in
attendance,
picket
signs
and
protests
have
had
a
bearing
on
the
decision,
and
they
never
should
50
people
not
liking
a
case
doesn't
make
it
a
wrong,
doesn't
make
it
wrong,
should
be
based
on
the
use
of
the
land
and
how
it
fits
into
the
context
of
its
surroundings
so
but
yeah
chance,
I've
seen
them
chanting.
I've
seen
signs
I've,
seen
protests,
I've,
seen
people
crying
and
emotions.
None
of
that
should
be
part
of
your
decision,
but
we're
also
all
human
okay.
D
Ex
parte
communications
literally
means
one-sided.
This
occurs
when
information
is
communicated
between
parties
in
a
legal
proceeding.
That
is
not
heard
by
or
available
to
all
parties
kind
of
goes
back
to
your
statement
earlier,
mr
snipes,
the
record
of
a
previous
record
of
cases
is
available
to
all
parties.
D
So
you
could
use
that
and
there
is
ways
to
make
ex
parte
communications
actually
normal
communications.
So
if
you
have
some
knowledge,
that's
not
testimony
or
evidence.
If
you
tell
the
rest
of
the
board
that
knowledge
now
everyone
knows
it,
okay,
so
so
so
you
can
use
that
as
long
as
everyone
knows
it
a
lot
of
times,
you
might
get
something
in
the
mail
or
you
might
get
a
phone
call
and
they've
all
before
you
realize
that
hey
this
might
be
x-parte
communications.
D
D
C
D
And
I
tell
you
looking
at
some
at
case
law
ex
parte
communications
can
certainly
get
a
case
overturned
in
the
courts,
so
it's
very
very
important
that
we
not
participate
in
that
type
of
activity
and
I
already
covered
it.
Sometimes
it
inadvertently
happens
like
I
said
you
can't
unhear
something
you
heard,
because
even
when
you're
doing
a
site
visit,
if
they're
shouting
at
you
as
you
drive
away,
you
still
heard
it
okay.
D
C
D
Oh,
so
I
can't
talk
to
my
constituents
that
depends
so
zoning
actions
actually
fall
into
two
different
categories:
legislative
and
quasi-judicial
legislative
actions.
You
can
actually
gather
information
on
it.
You
are
taking
a
legislative
action
which
is
a
change
to
the
law
map.
Amendments
and
text
amendments
are
a
change
to
the
law.
D
So
when
it's
a
map,
amendment
rezoning
or
a
text-
amendment
yeah,
you
can
talk
to
people.
How
do
they
feel
about
it
that
you
can
quasi
judicial
actions
such
as
a
variance
or
special
use,
permit
or
appeal
for
administrative
decisions?
Those
are
special
and
those
those
are
like
court
actions.
You
cannot
talk
to
anybody
and
only
only
use
the
information
at
hand.
It's
honestly
best
if
you
just
follow
the
same
protocol
for
all.
But
if
it's
a
map
amendment
or
a
text
amendment
you
can
actually
talk
to
people.
Okay,
mr.
A
F
When
I
need
to
touch
that
so
when
something
becomes
ex
parte
is
after
an
application
is
submitted,
you
can
talk
about
something
that
has
not
been
officially
applied
for.
Is
that
correct.
D
D
It's
during
that
official
time
when
the
application
has
been
filed
at
the
county
clerk's
office
till
the
final
decision
is
made
that
window
of
time,
and
it
varies
depending
on
the
case.
At
that
point,
you
should
not.
These
rules
should
be
in
effect.
Okay.
Now
keeping
in
mind
too,
though,
that
after
a
decision
is
made,
you
still
may
want
to
be
careful
because
you
don't
know
if
it's
going
to
go
to
the
courts
and
anything
you
say
after
that
could
be
used,
possibly
in
the
court,
so
to
protect
yourselves.
D
G
So
when
you're
talking
about
from
the
time
that
it
has
started
the
application's
been
filed
going
forward,
you
can't
have
these
individual
conversations
even
beforehand,
if
you're
having
discussions
and
you
learn
information
you're
still
putting
yourself
in
a
position
of
having
information
that,
if
you
can't
separate,
you
may
need
to
recuse
yourself
going
forward
if
you've
developed
an
opinion
that
you
don't
think
is
going
to
be
swayed
after
listening
to
the
actual
evidence,
then
you
might
have
to
kind
of
think
about
it
and
recuse
yourself
at
the
hearing.
D
G
G
Also,
though,
has
to
be
aware
that,
if
the
only
thing
they
consider
is
the
evidence,
that's
in
record
from
that
meeting
so
that
if
they
come
back
to
the
full
board,
they
can't
argue
public
comment.
That's
not
part
of
the
official
record,
even
though
they
had
an
opportunity
to
hear
it
at
the
meeting.
So
again,
they
have
to
be
very
careful
with
the
information
they're
considering.
D
G
D
Well,
that's
where
the
zoning
board
has
to
ask
them
questions
what
makes
them
an
expert
on
this
subject
when
were
those
photos
taken
who
took
them?
I
know
in
previous
solar,
solar
cases.
People
would
print
out
reports
off
the
internet
and
bring
them
in
as
evidence
and
we'd
start
asking
them
questions.
Well,
how
do
you
know
this?
Did
you
write
this
report?
Is
the
person
who
wrote
this
report
here?
No,
no!
So
because.
G
D
The
validity
of
it,
that's
why
you
need
to
base
it
on
what
was
presented
at
the
case,
and
hopefully
the
zoning
board
has
asked
those
questions
to
make
it
valid
evidence.
Hopefully,
okay,
yes,.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,.
C
H
H
So
you
can't
go
to
the
meetings
because
they
are
informational
meetings,
so
you
want
to
be,
you
know
knowledgeable
so
anyway,
then
the
next
question
you
mentioned
that
there's
some
complicated
cases
coming
up.
Are
they
more
solar
farms?
I
know
a
lot
of
letters
have
been.
E
Just
one
because
I'm
reading
a
supreme
court
case
here
where
they
were
talking
about
the
principal
uzolatan,
this
is
what
happens
in
the
in
in
certain
cases,
and
in
this
specific,
an
individual,
a
house
was
torn
down
and
the
garage
was
left
up
and
then
the
individual,
I
guess
the
garage
burned
down,
but
they
left
it
got
it
cleaned
up
and
five
years
later
they
came
to
put
it
on
there
and
they
was
arguing
something
by
the
principal
use
and
the
supreme
court
says
the
principal
use,
I
guess,
is
the
zoning
for
that
particular
area
and
then
what's
allowed
in
the
prison
for
the
principal
use
in
that
area
or
the
assessed
accessory
use
in
those
areas
will
comply
to
that
property.
E
That's
why
I
was
asking
when
I'm
looking
when
I
was
talking
about
principal
use
versus
principal
building
use
what
was
there
a
distinction
in
that
principal
building
use
that
there
had
to
be
a
building
there
or
was
it
zoned
r1
and
they
can
have
an
accessory,
because
some
people
do
get
lots
and
put
accessories
on
them
whatever,
and
you
know
so
they're
not
having
to
buy
another
house.
So
I'm
just
saying
what
does
that,
how
it
looks
like
it
can
get
into
a
hot
mess?
E
If
it's
you
know,
if
it's
not
defined
well,
it
is
defined,
so
it's
defined,
but
I'm
trying
to
find
as
to
that
it
has
to
have.
Does
it
have
to
have?
Does
the
accessory
have
to
have
a
building
versus
a
or
if
they
can
already
own
the
building
if
they
have
their
particular
line,
they
put
up
something.
Would
that
be
a
you
know.
D
It's
an
accessory,
I'm
not
going
to
speak
to
that
case
because
I
do
not
know
that
case.
I
have
not
heard
that
case,
but
based
on
what
you
stated
there,
you
had
a
house
and
a
say:
a
garage.
The
house
burned
down
the
garage
stayed
as
soon
as
the
house
burnt
down
and
was
not
rebuilt.
That
garage
became
a
legal
non-conforming
garage.
That
garage
is
allowed
to
stay
because
it's
already
existing,
but
it's
not
allowed
to
be
replaced.
D
D
So
those
rules
are
in
place.
That's
very
specific
situation
there,
but
that's
how
that
would
be
handled
okay.
So
we
then
we
have
the
control
to
say
you
can't
put
it's
a
vacant
lot.
You
cannot
build
an
accessory
structure
without
a
principal
structure,
but
if
one
already
exists,
we
have
some
out
there
that
exist
before
we
had
zoning
they're
legal
non-conforming
uses
they're
allowed
to
stay,
but
you
cannot
replace
them.
D
D
D
If
they
don't
want
to
do
that,
and
they
only
let's
say
they
have
the
house
next
door,
and
they
just
got
this
lot
because
the
house
burned
down
and
has
garage
on
it
and
they
want
to
use
it.
They
can
merge
the
two
properties
together
it
becomes
one
property,
and
now
the
house
on
the
other
property
becomes
the
principal
structure
for
the
entire
property.
C
D
D
A
D
D
At
this
pca,
one
thing
they
they
do
find
helpful-
that
the
illinois
association
of
county
zoning
officials
does
on
occasion
is
mock
hearings
where
all
the
members
play
play
a
role
from
attorney
to
applicant,
to
board
members
and
the
audience
just
watches
and
sees,
and
they
can
stop
it
at
any
time
and
ask
questions
about
the
process.
That's
that's
always
nice.
D
A
F
A
C
D
A
D
A
Though,
okay,
I'm
gonna,
move
on
to
old
business.
I
see
mr
anybody
have
any
old
business
to
go
today.
If
not
we'll
go
to
new
business.
Mr
wilson,
you're
back
there,
you
have
something
for
us
today,
just
hanging
around
okay,
thanks
for
coming.
A
Anyone
like
to
make
a
motion,
mr
kirkster,
oh
I'll,
give
it
kimberly
hudson
over
here.
It's
got
the
second
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
opposed
same
sign.