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From YouTube: Kankakee County Law Enforcement/NAACP Meeting 7/23/2020
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Kankakee County Law Enforcement/NAACP Meeting 7/23/2020 12:00 PM
A
M
A
And
we
have
lieutenant
robert
mason
just
entered
the
meeting
from
the
village
of
bradley
I'd
like
to
thank
everyone
again
for
taking
their
time.
It's
been
some
trying
times
within
the
last
month
and
a
half,
particularly
with
law
enforcement,
everyone
talking
about
reform,
police
reform
and
all
of
the
different
aspects
of
policies
and
procedures.
A
However,
for
those
individuals
that
if
this
is
your
first
meeting
this
most
of
the
individuals
in
this
group,
we've
been
meeting
since
ferguson
since
2014,
and
the
reason
why
this
group
and
law
enforcement
in
the
nacp
in
kankakee
county
has
been
meeting
to
ensure
the
citizens
in
our
respective
communities
in
particularly
communities
of
color,
that
incidents
that
happen
in
minneapolis
or
ferguson
or
cleveland
louisville
kentucky
does
not
happen
here
in
kankakee.
So
we
are
up
for
the
fight.
A
So
lieutenant
mason
just
arrived
and
what
we're
gonna
do
we're
gonna
forego
with
the
minutes
and
until
we
can
come
back
to
that
and
go
down
to
item
four
on
the
agenda,
and
I
pretty
much
stated
that
the
purpose
of
this
meeting
and
we
met
in
june
on
june
2nd.
We
met
again
on
june
4th
the
meeting
on
june
23rd
and
later
we'll
decide
if
there's
a
need.
A
I
think
that
was
a
conversation
about
we're
meeting
again
in
august,
but
again
this
this
body,
the
members
of
law
enforcement
in
kankakee
county
we've,
been
addressing
the
ten
shared
principles
which
each
municipality
in
kankakee
county
have
signed
up
on
the
10
shared
principles.
However,
in
our
executive
committee
meeting
and
in
concert
and
conversation
with
chief
swinford
out
of
mantina
and
sheriff
downing
and
with
chief
cosman
deputy
chief
hunt
and
commander
austin,
we
have
to
focus
on
again
as
we
look
at
at
this
body.
A
Everybody
here
is
considered
on
the
administrative
level,
those
meetings
again
with
the
chief
of
mantino
sheriff
for
kankakee
county
and
the
three
people
I
just
named
from
the
city
of
kankakee
our
task
now
and
along
with
our
state's
attorney.
How
can
we
we
have
these
initiatives,
ken
kee
county
response,
team?
Eight
can't
wait
to
ten
share
principles.
A
How
are
we
going
to
ensure
our
communities,
the
chief
on
the
administrative
level?
How
are
we
going
to
ensure
the
community
that
our
initiative
are
being
disseminated
down
to
the
patrolmen
who's
there
every
day,
24
7?
Who
is
the
face
of
our
respective
communities
or
or
our
respective
police
department?
So
we
we're
gonna.
We
need
to
take
about
five
or
ten
minutes.
I
know
vice
president
hunter
and
I
talked
maybe
a
week
or
two
ago
a
sheriff-
and
I
talked.
A
How
are
we
gonna
come
up
with
maybe
a
metric?
I
know
deputy
chief
anderson,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
in
chief,
barbara
and
mantino-
I
mean
bradley-
talked
about
that
once
our
officer
go
through
training
or
they're
signing
off
on
a
document,
a
testing
that
I've,
I
reviewed,
the
10
share
principle
link
from
the
illinois
association
of
police
chief.
A
They
really
sold
into
the
reforms
that
we're
trying
to
do
here
in
kankakee
county
you
got
officer,
a
who's
been
around
25
years
is
that
particular
officer
is
going
to
be
able
to
gravitate
to
the
changing
climates
of
policing,
so
chief
pace
already
know.
I
got
two
or
three
guys
I
might
be
hesitant,
knowing
that
they
might
not
buy
in
to
the
new
changes,
how
we're
going
to
address
those
officers
who
might
not
be
ready
for
change
so
that
I
think
that's
our
next
story
and
I'm
gonna.
A
B
We
thought
that
this
was
a
good
start
in
addition
to
what
fiota
said
about
how
do
we?
How
do
we
know
that
our
staff
is
buying
into
those
10
shared
principles,
and
I
think
the
short
answer
is
we
don't,
but
it's
something
that
we
have
to
do
as
administrators,
from
a
standpoint
of
training,
standpoint
of
observing,
from
the
standpoint
of
having
your
eyes
open
your
ears
open
and
finding
out
who's
not
buying
in
and
deal
with
those
individuals.
B
I
think
the
otis
is
right,
the
25-year
veteran
and
not
to
pick
on
25-year
vets,
because
they
could
be
the
ones
who
who
do
buy
in,
because
they've
been
around
long
enough
to
know
that
change
is
inevitable,
but
there's
something
that
we
as
administrators
have
to
identify
with.
So
we
have
the
cards.
Timothy
in
the
back.
Has
the
cards
he's
got
his
hand
up
so
sometime
before
you
leave
get
with
him
and
get
him
a
number
of
how
many
cards
you
think
you
need.
B
If
you
need
more
after
you
get
out
of
here,
we
can
get
you
more.
I
know
bradley
already
has
theirs,
so
I
think
those
will
be
beneficial
too,
at
least
as
a
reminder
to
not
only
us,
but
as
a
reminder
to
your
officers
that
these
are
things
that
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
at
all
times,
while
we're
working.
A
Thank
you
sheriff.
Additionally,
I
I'd
like
to
point
something
out
with
the
individuals
that
are
currently
in
attendance.
Here.
We
got
mr
timothy
harris
and
we
have
trent
wheels
and
the
reason
I
want
to
point
those
two
individuals
out
tim
harris
was
a
conversation
of
our
meeting
on
june,
2nd
and
thursday
june
4th
mr
harris
led
a
protest
on
may
sunday
may
30th,
maybe
quite
impressed.
A
A
Dwayne
dean
heard
a
number
of
these
individuals
for
the
summer
brought
them
in
and,
and
it
was
a
thing
of
how
can
we
utilize
all
this
young
energy
individuals?
That's
in
college
and
one
of
the
things
that
we're
finding
out
we
got
a
number
of
our
youth
leave,
go
off
to
college
and
they
don't
return
here.
A
We
don't
have
bridget
who
teaches
law
enforcement
at
kcc,
but
it
was
also
another
thought
of
how
can
we
get
our
young
people,
particularly
other
minorities,
minorities
and
other
individuals
back
into
law
enforcement?
It's
it's
a
changing
climate
where
individuals
want
to
be
in
law
enforcement
today.
A
How
can
we
make
that
job
again
acceptable
where
a
person
would
want
to
be
in
law
enforcement?
So
how
you
do
that
you
got
to
bring
these
the
young
people
in.
We
have
to
listen
to
them
and
at
the
same
time,
we
also
have
give
them
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
understand
the
ins
and
outs
of
the
system,
knowing
the
various
policies
and
procedures
that
law
enforcement
endure
every
day.
H
We
kind
of
hit
on
the
the
10
share
principles
a
little
bit.
I
think
the
cards
are
an
excellent
idea.
I
think
it's
nice
to
have
that
physical
reminder
floating
around
your
police
cars
and
your
police
departments
of
what
you're
committed
to
but
geodes
you're
right.
It
starts
with
the
chief.
Can
you
hear
me
and
the.
H
O
It's
not
necessarily
a
concern
per
se
regarding
the
oversight
and
the
assessment
of
the
implementation,
I
know
commander
austin
used
to
be
the
kalia
person
for
the
city
of
kankakee,
but
how
do
we
assess
the
implementation
we
may
have
the
cards
etc?
The
county
board
president
just
indicated.
Maybe
we
need
billboards.
O
Maybe
we
need
to
also
pass
out
those
cards
to
the
consumers.
You
know
regarding
community-based
organizations,
those
individuals
who
are
stopped,
you
know
by
the
officers.
Maybe
those
things
could
be
promulgated
as
well
too,
so
those
are
kind
of
things
that
I
think
we
need
to
provide
as
well
too.
We
we
have
this
particular
forum,
which
is
unique,
which
will
be
seen
by
thousands
of
people
in
the
county.
O
O
Regarding
the
rally
we
had
on
on
june,
2nd
and-
and
I
I'd
like
to
offer
some
kudos
lieutenant
mason
president
pace
and
myself
were
on
a
teleconference
june
1st
around
noon,
we
got
a
text
saying
that
the
rally
we
had
planned
for
the
mall
was
off
and
we
had
to
find
an
another
venue,
another
location,
so
this
is
almost
like
24
hours
before
the
rally
anyway
make
a
long
story
short.
We
had
some
venues
and
that
we
were
discussing.
O
We
made
a
phone
call
to
the
sheriff
and
within
a
couple
hours
we
had
everything
set
up,
not
only
the
venue,
flatbed,
security,
ambulances
and
everything
else,
and
let
me
say
further.
The
keynote
speaker
of
course
was
our
state's
attorney.
In
addition
to
those
individuals
who
are
listening
and
watching
this
particular
meeting,
there
are
in
excess
of
700
people
who
came
out
to
the
fairgrounds
to
attend
that
rally.
O
We
had
the
hispanic
partnership
president,
who
was
a
speaker
as
well
too
so
we're
pleased
that
you
know
that
we
were
ahead
of
the
game
in
terms
of
what
has
been
transpiring
in
the
last
couple
months,
so
kudos
to
all
the
people
here
who
participated
and
and
played
a
role,
our
recorder
of
deeds.
Was
there
too
running
around
in
the
hot
weather.
O
P
Yeah,
I
was
filming
filled
up
my
mouth
still,
so
the
other
thing
was
what
what
the
chief
winford
was
talking
about
is
and
and
sheriff
downey
was
that
you
know
just
hanging
that
poster
on
the
wall
doesn't
really
do
anything
even
internally.
So
the
cards
is
another
helpful
thing.
I
know
one
thing
we've
done
and
I
think
I'm
not
speaking
out
of
turn
for
sure,
but
I
think,
as
I
made
contact,
is
that
10
shared
principles,
video
that
was
out
there.
We
had
each
of
the
officers
watch
it
and
sign
off.
P
They
watched
it
just
to
kind
of
keep
this
filtering
down
the
ranks
and
then
there's
there's
other
training
out
there.
That
we've
been
pushing
out
like
duty
to
intervene
and
duty
intercede
which
falls
along
with
this
whole
reform
movement,
so
trying
to
stay
on
top
of
all.
That
is
what
we're
trying
to
push
out
to
everybody
within
our
department
and
throughout
the
county.
As.
P
H
H
We're
actually
way
ahead
of
the
game
on
most
of
these
we're
already
doing
almost
all
of
them
banning
chokeholds
and
strangleholds
illinois
outlawed
chokeholds
five
years
ago,
there's
a
little
semantics
there
with
what's
a
chokehold
and
what's
a
stranglehold,
but
for
the
most
part,
illinois
outlawed
those
five
years
ago,
and
almost
every
department
policies
probably
already
outlawed
anything
else
required.
De-Escalation
again,
illinois
started
this
years
ago.
I'm
guessing
every
police
department's
officers
in
this
room
already
have
gone
through
de-escalation
training.
H
H
H
That
is
also
in
our
policy.
However,
that
is
being
ratcheted
up
a
little
bit
what's
lacking
there.
A
little
bit
is
the
training
and
exactly
how
officers
are
doing
going
to
implement
that,
but
I
think
we'll
see
a
lot
more
training
in
that
here
coming
soon
van
shooting
moving
vehicles,
that's
been
a
policy,
I
think,
since
I've
been
a
police
officer
require
the
use
of
force
continuum,
that's
taught
right
in
the
academy
and
require
comprehensive
reporting.
That's
the
one
that
probably
needs
a
little
bit
of
work.
There's
no
nationwide
reporting
procedure,
there's
no
national
database.
H
General
database
that
we
submit
these
things
to
each
department
might
keep
track
of
them.
Each
county
might
keep
track
of
them,
but
there's
not
like
a
national
database,
but
I'm
guessing
that
will
be
fixed
shortly.
So
the
eighth.
I
can't
wait
we're
really
running
with
seven
of
those
already
and
we're
just
waiting
for
a
national
database
for
the
eighth.
So
I
think
we're
in
pretty
good
shape
on
that.
A
A
Doug,
where
are
you
I
know
doug
and
myron?
Okay,
good,
so
we
want
to.
Can
your
committee
talk
about
the
upcoming
training,
the
process
that
we
went
through
the
letters
that
that
went
out
two
weeks
ago?
The
response
have
we
got
with
bridget
and
lieutenant
mason
on
how
we're
going
to
plan
to
do
that?
For
our.
A
Q
Q
Q
A
A
G
K
A
There
was
an
outgrowth
of
our
rally
on
june,
the
2nd-
and
it
was
just
indicated
by
vice
president
hunter
of
the
naacp
of
our
keynote
speaker
of
the
evening
and
with
some
of
the
reforms
that
we're
talking
about
other
than
the
ten
share
principles.
Other
reforms
eight
can't
wait.
However,
it's
been
something
that
the
naacp
criminal
justice
committee
have
been
talking
about
and
trying
to
put
in
place,
I
would
say
100
last,
maybe
six
eight
years.
Probably
but
timing
is
everything
and
let
me
tell
you
about
timing.
A
You
you
can
have
some
things
in
the
works
in
your
planning,
your
goals
and
objectives,
and
it's
just
not
going
to
work
either
because
of
the
political
leadership.
That's
that
are
in
at
the
current
time
or
it's
just
not
well.
Kankakee
is
also
unique.
We're
unique
that
of
the
42
branches
in
the
illinois
of
the
nacp.
A
C
C
They
would
form
this
board,
they
would
have
power
of
appointment
to
the
board
and
they
could
pull
people
from
their
own
community.
Some
boards
find
it
to
be
more
effective
if
they
pull
people
from
outside
of
the
community,
but
they
basically
sit
in
the
role
of
an
independent
watchdog
just
to
put
an
independent
set
of
eyes
on
citizen
complaints.
C
So
if
a
citizen
makes
a
complaint
about
police
activity,
that
board
would
receive
the
complaint,
they
would
review
it,
they
would
conduct
any
investigation
or
maybe
conduct
interviews
of
witnesses
or
the
complainant
they
could.
Potentially
if
the
municipality
allows
and-
and
I
would
suggest
it-
it
can
strongly-
considers
subpoena
power
for
that
board.
That
doesn't
mean
that
they
can
access
documents
and
make
them
public.
C
C
C
So
we've
talked
before.
I've
talked
with
some
of
the
chiefs
that
indicated
an
interest
in
exploring
this
further
within
their
village
or
city.
We're
not
trying
to
take
the
place
of
your
village
or
city
attorney,
but
we
would
be
happy
to
work
with
them.
We
have
some
of
the
resolutions
drafted
already.
We
can
work
with
you
on
what
the
models
look
like.
C
We
have
some
individuals
in
our
civil
division
of
the
state's
attorney's
office
that
may
have
a
better
insight
on
what
can
be
disclosed
outside
of
law
enforcement,
while
there's
an
ongoing
investigation.
What
can't
be
disclosed
make
sure,
there's
compliance,
of
course,
with
foia
and
any
open
meeting
act
issues.
So
we're
happy
to
assist
with
that.
We're
happy
to
finalize
the
resolution
and
we
can
craft
it
to
whatever
model
you
think
would
fit
your
community
best.
C
I
think
the
key
takeaway
is
when
you're
looking
at
what
makes
for
an
effective
civilian
review
board.
It's
usually
an
outside
set
of
eyes.
People
that
don't
reside
in
the
community
and
subpoena
power
is
absolutely
necessary
for
it
to
be
an
effective
board,
because
otherwise
they're
making
decisions
with
less
than
all
the
facts.
A
B
B
C
A
P
L
Everybody
knows
most
of
the
towns,
probably
in
here
have
most
of
the
towns
here
already
have
a
board
of
police
and
fire
commissioners.
So
if
there's
any
suspension
over
five
days,
so
if
we're
talking
about
some,
you
know
use
of
force
the
lethal
force
or
anything
like
that.
That's
improper,
that's
probably
going
to
be
reviewed
by
the
board
of
police
and
fire
commissioners
that
we
already
have
the
one
thing
that
I
under
didn't-
maybe
I
didn't
I
heard
it
wrong.
Did
you
say
would
be
an
outside?
L
C
You
think
each
municipality
can
adopt
its
own
model
so
if
they
wanted
to
have
residents
from
within
their
community,
but
some
civilian
review
boards
have
found
it
more
effective.
When
you
have
individuals
that
you
know
not
we're
not
looking
at
people
that
reside
in
another
state,
but
maybe
outside
of
that
immediate
sorry
outside
of
that
immediate
community,
because
if
you
have
people
that
are
reside
within
bradley
and
just
using
bradley
as
an
example,
if
you
had
people
that
reside
within
bradley,
they
may
look
at
it
differently
than
someone
who
maybe
resides
in
bourbon.
C
I
think
what
this
civilian
review
board
does
where,
where
without
a
civilian
review
board,
the
officer
is
being
investigated
by
fellow
members
of
the
department,
usually
command
staff.
Chief
deputy
chief,
whoever
lieutenant
the
civilian
review
board,
would
be
civilians
that
conduct
that
investigation,
and
there
may
be
a
case
that
perhaps
a
chief
of
a
police
department
doesn't
believe,
warrants
discipline
or
makes
a
finding
that
the
officer's
actions
were
justified,
where
the
civilian
review
board
may
make
a
different
finding.
So
the
police
and
fire
commission
would
then
be
provided
with
both
reports.
L
Right,
it
might
be
an
improvement,
but
the
only
civilian
review
board
that
I
am
aware
of
over
here
from
the
news
or
everything
is
the
one
in
chicago
and
there's
always
different
different.
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
I'm
not
saying
it's
a
bad
idea,
but
it's
something
I
don't
know.
If
it's
you
know
that's
going
to
solve
all
of
the
issues.
Yeah.
C
I
think
in
chicago,
for
instance,
I
believe
that
civilian
review
board
can
met
out
discipline
and
can
make
some
final
decisions
where
that,
wouldn't
that's
normally
not
the
case.
Normally
that
does
go
by
contract,
especially
under
union
contracts.
It
goes
through
the
police
and
fire
commission
if
it's
excessive
punishment
or
if
it's
maybe
just
a
couple
days
or
some
sort
of
suspension,
it
would
go
through
command
staff.
A
A
Q
A
National
office,
our
region
office
and
the
kanken
key
county
branch
of
the
nacp,
one
of
the
main
focus
of
the
mission
of
the
ten
shared
principles.
When
you
really
start
looking
at
that
document,
the
key
one
of
the
key
words
is
trust
that
that's
what
we're
dealing
with
in
this
new
climate,
everything
that
we
do,
captain
harcy
everything
that
we
do
today
is
magnified.
Q
P
P
A
The
thank
you,
however.
This
is
something
that
the
kangaki
county
branch
is
going
to
stand
firm
on
now,
if
we
can
get
mostly
the
majority
of
all
our
municipalities
to
sign
in
on
the
10
share
principles,
why
not
be
looking
at
the
citizen
review
board?
Let
me
tell
you
what
it
brings
it
brings
about
trust.
A
It
builds
the
relationship
and
you
also
and
and
even
though
chief
swinford
just
mentioned
about
our
response
team
you're
talking
about
a
rainbow
a
rainbow
of
citizens
of
kankakee
county.
That's
going
to
make
up
the
response
team.
Each
municipality
will
bring
about
trust,
and
but
let
me
just
say
this:
the
county
seat
in
the
city
of
kankakee.
A
A
A
And
I'm
just
thinking
about
look
at
I
mean
I
can
go.
I've
been
here
47
years
and
I
can
remember
the
days
and
chief
barbara
anderson
and
lieutenant
mason.
We
spent
what
just
three
hours
matter
of
fact
two
weeks
ago
today
and
let
me
tell
you
how
we
spent
three
hours
two
weeks
ago
today,
because
of
the
climate,
mr
yates,
the
village
of
of
bradley
received
a
call
through
the
dispatch,
mr
williams.
They
received
a
call
through
the
dispatch,
and
that
call
was
you
need
to
hurry
up
come
here,
this
guy's
getting
beat
up.
A
A
P
A
His
pocket
the
phone
in
his
pocket,
so
now
he
they
released
him
he's
going
home
the
officers
who
stated,
I
think
I
know
this
young
man,
I
know
where
he
lives,
so
the
guy
young
man
is
walking.
He
walks
past
his
house
officers
stop
because
I
know
where
you
live.
Mr
hunt,
the
young
man
comes
back,
tried
to
beat
the
officer
to
coming
into
his
house
to
talk
to
his
grandma.
A
Was
a
young
man
provoking
you
can
ask
lieutenant
mason,
so
you
have
to
look
at
the
audio
of
the
calls,
the
young
man's
action
and,
if
you're,
watching
the
video
his
action
is
and
if
you're
looking
at
it
deputy
chief
hunt,
we
we're
going
to
have
another
george
floyd,
that's
the
climate
that
we're
in
and
we
have
to
have
trust
trust
is
going
to
be
the
key
when
we
don't
know
how
long
it's
going
to
be.
The
same
thing
is
this
corona
virus.
A
A
The
face
of
that
department,
so
we're
gonna,
have
it's
gonna
have
to
take
some
give
and
take,
but
it's
some
things
and
I've.
I've
had
a
conversation
with
with
a
couple
of
police
chief
here,
and
I
do
a
lot
of
things
by
working
in
the
back
room.
I
I
know
how
to
mitigate
things.
Vice
president
hunter,
we
got
another
executive
committee,
member
of
laurie,
gad
boys.
We
got
our
vice
president.
I
mean
the
president
of
our
youth
council.
A
It's
I
mean
some
things
we're
just
not
going
to
give
because
from
2014
we've
been
maintaining
that
we're
not
going
to
have
a
minneapolis
here
and
we're
not
going
to
have
a
ferguson
here.
So
whatever
we
did
yesterday
we're
going
to
try
to
change
it
today
our
offices
are
going
to
be
professional,
they're
going
to
be
citizen
friendly.
That's
what
our
citizens
want.
They
want
our
officers,
they
want
the
employee
of
our
respective
municipality
just
to
be
friendly
and.
Q
O
If
you
can
believe
that-
and
it
fell
on
deaf
ears
and
goes
back
to
durkheim's,
eight
stages
of
man
and
the
first
stage
as
the
president
indicated
is
trust
versus
mistrust.
So
if
you
take
a
look
at
what
transpired
back
in
the
70s
and
80s,
we
did
not
have
a
person
to
even
second
the
issue
or
the
motion
regarding
this
particular
review
panel.
O
So
this
is
where
we
are
right
now,
when
you
take
a
look
at
what
the
conditions
were
back
in
the
city
of
kankakee
back
in
the
70s
and
80s,
we've
come
a
hell
of
a
long
way.
If
you
look
at
this
group
here
the
diversity
here
and
you
guys
sitting
down
working
working
together
back
then
this
would
never
happen.
A
A
You
know
ten
shared
principles,
I
mean
how
people
view
bradley
going
up
and
we
talked
about
it:
deputy
chief
anderson,
going
north
and
south
on
kennedy
and
round
50.
nikki,
I'm
not
from
here
you
are
and
and
how,
how
people
used
to
feel
if
they're
going
south
and
north
on
on
route,
50
and
and
kennedy
drive.
When
I
got
here,
man,
I'm
miss
daisy,
you
know,
because
you
don't
you
know,
that's
that's
the
climate
state's
attorney.
C
C
C
So
if
an
officer
continues
to
get
multiple
complaints,
they
can
track
that
and
bring
that
to
the
attention
of
command
staff
and
further
just
really
further
build
the
relationship
between
the
community
and
law
enforcement
and
they're,
not
you're,
not
looking
for
them
to
chief's
question
earlier
about
whether
you
would
get
rid
of
the
city
inspector
you're,
not
looking
for
the
civilian
review
board
to
do
to
make
a
review
of
the
police
department's
review
right.
So
they're
not
they're,
not
grading.
C
The
internal
investigation
they're
conducting
an
independent
investigation,
because,
if
they're,
just
looking
at
what
another
officer
has
prepared
as
their
investigation,
it
gives
the
illusion
of
oversight.
But
it
really
isn't
there.
So
this
allows
them
to
conduct
a
separate
and
independent
eyes
on
investigation.
C
Well,
usually,
the
way
that
that
investigation
is
conducted
they
could
conduct
the
interviews.
They
could
ask
that
interviews
be
conducted
by
either
an
outside
agency
or
the
majority
of
it
they're.
Looking
at
video
they're
looking
at
reports,
witness
statements
so
they're
basing
their
investigation
and
their
review
off
things
that
already
exist
and
if
further
questioning
is
done,
they
can
get
someone
to
do
that.
C
A
Q
K
10
shared
principle
and
eight
can't
wait.
Now
I
don't
know
it's
been
a
while,
since
I've
been
in
this
meeting,
that's
probably
not
a
good
thing
I
should
have
been
here,
but
the
fact
of
that
is,
I
know,
crowd
river
used
to
provide
a
lot
of
training
to
police
officers.
I
don't
know
if
that's
still
true
today
or
not,
I
guess
my
question
would
be
is
cry
is
cry
river
into
their
training
adopting
into
their
training
the
ten
shared
principles
in
eight
eight
can't
wait
principal.
H
Short
answer
is
no
eight,
they
can't
wait,
that's
brand
new
and
that
literally
just
came
out
ten
shared
principles.
They
don't
have
a
specific
training
on
that.
They
offer
training
in
a
lot
of
those
factors,
but
they
don't
have
a
specific
training
on
the
ten
shared
principles.
Now,
that
being
said,
their
training
is
almost
nil
right
now,
because
of
covid
and
budget
cuts,
but
they'll
get
back
into
training
pretty
quickly,
but
they
don't
have
specific
training
on
those
well.
K
The
only
reason
I
asked
that
question:
it's
been
my
experience,
police
officers,
kind
of
gravitate
towards
training
they
receive
and
train
the
day
rely
on,
and
I
know
if
it's
from
tri
river,
they
is
more
reliable,
so
sometimes
departments
that
is
not.
They
don't
have
the
manpower
or
the
budget
to
to
train
adequately.
So
when
you,
when
try
river,
do
it,
it
mean
more
to
the
officers
to
me
and
I
might
be
out
of
turn
like.
K
K
A
P
A
L
O
O
O
O
I
I
I
was
very
fortunate.
They
took
some
of
their
valuable
time
and
independently
came
to
my
police
department
and
were
provided
with
the
video,
so
they
could
make
their
own
determination
and
after
seeing
all
the
video
footage,
they
concurred
that
there
was
no
wrongdoing
on
the
part
of
our
officer
and
therefore
we
were
able
to
administratively
close
that
complaint
as
unfounded
and
have
the
and
their
to
know
that
we're
going
above
and
beyond
to
make
sure
that
we're
policing
our
own.
A
D
We've
been
fortunate
that
our
doors
have
been
open
for
quite
a
while
as
far
as
transparency,
it's
in
our
policy
and
it's
not
it's
not
something
that
is
is,
I
guess,
would
be
alien
to
us
when
we
have
a
complaint.
That's
made
and
we've
had
complaints
by
citizens
and
we've
also
had
complaints
brought
to
us
by
your
agency.
D
D
So
we've
had
a
couple
instances,
three
or
four
instances
where
we
have
used
the
transparency,
which
is
part
of
the
shared
principles
and
trust
to
invite
to
invite
you
in
also
to
invite
the
complainant
in
sometimes
again
they
talk
about
wanting
to
have
a
voice
in
those
shared
principles
having
a
voice
for
us
just
because
they,
the
officer,
didn't,
do
anything
outside
of
the
policy
we
always
try
to
take
in
consideration.
We
rely
on
your
expert
analysis
and
outside
view
yeah.
D
The
officer
didn't
do
anything
outside
the
policy,
but
they
do
something
that
could
be
considered
rude
or
aggressive,
because
what
I
may
think
is
rude
and
aggressive
as
a
police
officer.
My
threshold,
for
you
to
be
rude
aggressive
to
me,
is
very
high.
You
got
to
be
really
rude
and
aggressive.
Someone
else's
version
of
that
might
be
less.
A
Yeah
and
if
I
may,
I
could
probably
say
the
the
speeding
incident
the
one
two
weeks
ago
and
the
one
about
the
cell
phone,
so
actually
we've
had
three
incidents
in
maybe
the
last
two
months,
five
five
months,
five
months
and
each
one
of
those
where
steve.
In
this
case
it
was
paul
and
some
other
went
in
and
watched
the
video
and
other
than
the
young
lady
actually
filed
a
complaint
with
us
and
the
committee
lori,
deemed
it
necessary
for
investigation
chairman
went
took.
A
You
know
the
various
steps,
because,
first
of
all
we
don't
take.
We
don't
take
verbal
complaints,
it
has
to
be
in
a
written
complaint
that
some
steps
are
followed
and,
and
so
we
went
investigate,
and
so
those
are
just
the
three
in
the
last
five
months
and
and
again
what
is
rude
and
what
is
not
rude.
So
I
can
just
simply
say
what
I
saw
a
video
yesterday
was
rude.
I
don't
know
if
everybody
know
what
I'm
talking
about,
but
I
saw.
D
A
N
C
Again,
those
are
just
guidelines
that
you
can
set
out
in
the
resolution
or
the
ordinance.
The
most
effective
civilian
review
boards
have
an
investigator
available
to
them,
former
law
enforcement,
but
maybe
not
from
the
same
department
ideally,
and
they
can
tap
on
that
individual's
expertise
to
conduct
investigations
interviews,
but
it
really
whatever
parameters
the
local
municipality
says.
C
O
Additionally,
you
know
those
individuals
locations
where
they
do
have
the
review
boards.
Those
individuals
could
come
in
and
provide
the
training
as
well
too.
So
there
are
some
experts
that
provide
that.
I
would
assume
some
of
the
insurance
carriers
for
the
various
municipalities
probably
have
that
component
built
in
as
well
too,
that
they
contract
with
investigators
to
do
that,
so
their
ways
and
means
and
availability
of
staff
to
do
that.
F
I
I
have
a
comment,
how
we
started
the
meeting
out.
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
answers
to
this,
but
I'm
going
to
throw
it
out
there
for
whatever
it's
worth
but
theodis.
You
started
the
meeting
talking
about
what
we
all
have
seen
over
the
last
five
weeks
on
the
news:
innocent
business
owners
having
their
shops,
looted
and
their
livelihoods
destroyed.
F
They
didn't
know
they
didn't
know
how
to
prepare
to.
If
there
was
anything
they
could
have
done
to
avoid
that
or
what
they
do
after
the
fact
or
what
they
do
if
they're
caught
in
in
that
situation,
if,
if
each,
if
each
department
here,
there's
quite
a
few
of
you
here,
if
you
only
came
up
with
one
suggestion
combined,
that's
a
lot
of
suggestions
and
I'm
wondering
if
we
could
get
ahead
of
it
and
at
least
prepare
business
owners
with
some
ideas
of
what
they
might
be
able
to
do
to
protect
themselves.
F
R
R
R
Okay,
because
my
bottom
line
is,
it
could
pretty
much
have
been
a
not
a
futile
effort,
but
I
wanted
to
know
something
can
potentially
come
out
of
it
and
if
it's
going
to
inform
the
public
that
serves
their
purpose,
I'd
be
conscious.
I'd
be
curious,
I'd
be
cautious
about
placing
too
many
parameters
on
who
can
in
fact
be
on
some
civilian
review
board,
because
if
you
place
too
many
caveats
on
requirements
and
as
been
the
case
and
can't
get
key
loans,
I've
been
around
here.
R
You'll
end
up
with
the
same
10
people
literally
on
every
boarding
commission.
Here
and
that's
that's
always
been
a
problem
here,
because
it's
always
been
the
same
group
of
people
almost
to
the
point
of
selective
group
of
people
and
they've
been
part
of
all
the
boards
and
commission.
So
nothing
changes
is
my
point
and-
and
I
will
I
have
no
issue
with
re
civilian
review
board
at
all.
R
I
love
to
see
how
something
like
there's
something
new,
something
different,
because
no
matter
how
you
slice,
it
something's
got
to
change
and
I
think
we're
all
aware
of
a
simple
fact:
we're
in
a
transformational
period,
whether
we
like
it
or
not,
the
old
normal
is
gone.
Something
new
is
going
to
come
up
regardless
it
and
we
all
need
to
keep
in
mind
this
simple
fact.
R
Once
you
press
people
too
far
and
beyond
some
point,
whatever
that
point
is
and,
however
far
it
goes
to
get
to
that
point,
their
response
isn't
guaranteed
to
be
what
you
thought.
It
was
going
to
be
all
these
riots
we're
seeing
all
over
the
country
who
would
have
expected
that
snatching
down
statues?
Who
would
have
thought
of
that?
R
What
I
sent
that
individual
back
on
facebook
was
a
video
kind
of
length,
11
minutes,
but
it
lays
it
out
real,
quick.
What
we're
really
seeing
is
400
years
of
bad
policy,
400
years
101
to
be
exact
years
of
bad
policy
and
the
result
of
that
400
years,
244
years
of
slavery,
followed
by
us
getting
us
free,
followed
by
jim
crow,
followed
by
vagrancy
laws,
followed
by
policy
after
policy
that
put
something
in
place
to
where
people
are
now
responding
to
that
and
whether
we
like
it
or
not.
R
Q
M
M
K
M
Don't
know
about
the
use
of
that's
the
issue.
Training
is
one
of
the
most
essential
things.
Training
is
also
how
to
be
teach
them
that
they
are
a
a
public
servant,
not
a
gustavo
type
army,
but
training
training
is
the
issue
for
the
use
for
the
review
board,
because
the
average
citizen
does
not
know
policies
and
procedures,
they
don't
know
use
of
force,
they
don't
know
what
probable
cause
you
know.
They
don't
know
about
the
the
section
1983
when
one
is
liable
under
under
the
constitution.
C
C
The
problem
is
that
or
not
the
problem,
but
the
reality
is
police,
and
fire.
Commission,
though,
is
depending
upon
a
review
and
an
investigation
conducted
by
law
enforcement
of
law
enforcement,
as
opposed
to
an
investigation
conducted
by
civilians
who
are
in
that
community
being
policed
by
that
department.
A
R
This
virus
situation
is
nullified
both
of
those
for
this
particular
year
and
there's
a
number
of
different
training
seminars
that
you
attend
up
to
seven,
none
of
which
are
required
or
they're
all
required
per
se,
but
none
of
which
will
prevent
a
person
from
getting
on
the
police
fire
commission
throughout
the
state
of
illinois
and
beyond
that.
No
there
are
no
specific
requirements
other
than
the
fact
that
you
have.
You
accept
the
selection
and
certainly
can't
get
key
approved
by
the
city
council.
C
Something
that
is
written
into
the
resolution
or
the
ordinance
that
the
municipality
passes.
It
could
be
mayoral
appointment.
It
could
be
by
appointment
of
the
mayor
with
advice
and
consent
of
the
council,
so
their
aldermen
or
trustees
have
to
approve
the
appointment.
It
could
be
a
selection
process
by
the
police
and
fire
commission
that
exists.
It
all
depends
on
how
the
municipality
wants
it
to
be,
because,
ultimately,
any
ordinance
has
to
have
the
majority
vote
of
the
council
or
the
board
so
they're
going
to
have
to
approve
it.
G
C
J
J
J
It
builds
a
closer
relationship.
Then
people
tend
to
start
trusting
you
because
they
see
your
face.
They
don't
just
see
you
driving
by
in
a
car.
You
don't
know
them,
you
don't
see
them
so
get
out
on
a
bike.
Walk,
stop
talk
to
people.
Let
them
see
you,
let
them
know
your
name,
you
get
to
know
their
name.
Let's
build
a
relationship,
that's
where
that
trust
comes
in.
A
G
O
L
Q
E
E
I'm
a
college
police
chief.
So
I
get
to
deal
with
a
lot
of
young
individuals
on
a
on
a
on
a
professional
level.
On
a
college
level,
I
instituted
a
program
to
where
myself
and
bridget
bertrand
came
up
with
a
program
to
where
our
law
enforcement
students
kind
of
like
of
internship
and
within
that
I've
had
maybe
one
or
two
individuals
that
went
on
to
be
police
officers,
actually
sheriff
downey
here
hired
one
of
my
interns
here
to
work
in
the
guard
house,
and
I
just
encourage
them
all
to
build
relationships
with
officers.
E
You
know
if
you're
out
and
about
I
tell
them
you're
on
about
this-
is
your
career,
where
you
want
to
go,
introduce
yourself.
Let
that
officer
know
what
you're
doing
what
you're
trying
to
do
and
start
to
build
on
relationships,
and
they
don't
have
an
idea
how
far
that
will
take
them.
You
know
just
that
putting
their
name
out
there
introducing
yourself
to
individuals,
but
I
do
appreciate
all
the
support
that
this
community
has
given
me
in
the
past
17
years.
Thank
you.
A
A
So
basically
we
have
all
our
major
municipalities
that
are
that's
in
this
meeting
to
ensure
that
we're
on
one
accord
are
we
going
to
always
agree?
No,
but
it's
about
communicating,
that's
that
that's
all
it
is,
and
I'm
just
saying
five
six
eight
ten
years
ago,
because
we've
been
able
to
communicate.
G
G
M
A
Even
the
lord
jesus
christ
had
to
do
miracles
at
home,
some
we're
more
revered
away
from
home,
and
I'm
saying
we
have
to
be
humble
and
look
at
the
work
that
we
do
are
we
are
we
going
to
agree?
No,
but
we
can
pick
up
the
phone
and
call.
I
don't
think
it's
been
a
time
that
I've
called
anybody
in
this
room.
They
did
not
answer
respond
to
a
text
or
email,
and
so
we're
just
going
to
have
to
continue
to
do
the
miracles
at
home.
A
That
I
mean
that's,
that's
what
it's
home
we
can
go.
People
are
going
to
look
at
this
youtube
and
gonna,
say
wow,
but
we're
gonna
get
some
comments
and
and
some
other
individuals
not
gonna,
see
this
as
fruitful.
So
we
just
have
to
keep
doing
what
we're
doing
and
we
just
have
to
keep
doing
those
miracles.
So
it's
normally.
We
don't
even
go
past
hour,
so
we
had
an
hour
and
21
minutes.
So
can
we
get
a
motion
to
to
our
meeting
at
august
19th
at
12
noon?