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Redistricting Committee Meeting 04/19/2021 9:00 AM
A
A
A
Just
to
start
with,
this
is
an
informational
meeting.
Today
there
will
be
no
votes,
no
motions
or
anything
like
that
today.
So.
C
Mr
chairman,
might
we
interrupt
not
necessarily
interrupt
but
interject
questions
during
the
presentations,
or
do
we
have
to
wait
till
okay,
yeah?
Okay,
thank
you.
A
Okay,
all
the
legal
parameters
will
be
done
by
mr
rowe,
our
state's
attorney.
We
want
to
become
proficient
in
legal
requirements
of
your
task
and
the
timelines
we
want
to
have
a
robust
discussion
and
debate
and
the
passage
of
foundational
apportionment.
Well,
I
didn't
think
I
was
going
to
get
that
one
right
recommendations
by
this
committee
to
send
to
the
full
board
for
a
final
vote
and
after
foundational
information
has
been
ratified
by
the
full
board,
choose
a
final
map
to
be
sent
to
the
june
full
board
meeting
for
final
approval.
D
D
That
was
the
record
prior
to
this
in
2010,
whereas
the
public
voted
54
in
favor
of
a
28
single
member
district,
there
was
an
additional
advisory
in
2017,
where
the
majority
of
the
public
input
was
in
favor
of
21
county
board
members.
But
the
question
was
solid
on
the
makeup
of
the
district
singer
or
a
multiple
district.
E
So
the
board's
legal
responsibilities,
the
board's
legal
responsibilities
through
this
process
is
to
determine
the
size
of
the
county
board.
How
members
shall
be
elected
their
compensation,
the
terms
of
those
board
members
and
then
there's
a
few
other
matters
I
want
to
touch
on,
but
let's
we'll
go
through
each
of
these
individually
when
you
determine
the
size
of
the
county
board.
E
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
thanks
it's
you
know
it's
somewhat
simple
to
for
anyone
to
sit
down
and
draw
some
lines
on
a
map
and
say
this
is
how
many
districts-
and
this
is
the
where
the
districts
will
be
but
they've
got
to
be
of
equal
size.
There's
they've
got
to
be
contiguous.
C
Know
for,
for
example,
how
can
you
say
they
must
be
comparable
in
terms
of
size,
for
example,
sam
commissioner
payton
has
pembroke
township
52
square
miles
compared
to
what
I
have
in
this
population
population.
E
So
one
of
the
first
things
the
board's
going
to
want
to
determine
is
ultimately
the
size
of
the
county
board
and
that
comes
down
to
how
many
county
board
members
are
you
going
to
have
and
if
you're
going
to
stick
with
single
member
districts,
then
it'd
be
one
district,
one
member
per
district.
If
you're
going
to
go
to
multi-member
districts,
you
determine
how
many
districts
and
then
that'll
determine
how
many
members
you'll
have.
If
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide,.
E
E
That's
later
in
the
presentation
with
chairman
wheeler,
so
I'll
verify
I'll
verify
to
see
which
of
these
are
are
accurate
and
if
these
are
inaccurate,
I'll
update
this
chart,
but
it
just
kind
of
gives
you
an
idea
where
you're
looking
at
counties
with
similar
to
ours
or
populations,
at
least
over
a
hundred
thousand.
It
gives
you
an
idea
of
how
many
board
members
how
many
districts
in
some
you'll
see
few
districts,
but
those
are
clearly
multi-member
districts,
so
you
have
almost
an
equivalent
number
of
county
board
members.
I
think
on
that
list.
E
The
smallest
is
what
18
and
it
does
go
all
the
way
up
to
29
in
a
few
instances.
So
you
know,
I
wouldn't
say:
kankakee
county
is
an
outlier,
but
again
it's
up
to
the
board
to
decide
if
they
want
to
remain
at
28
districts
if
they
want
to
go
to
29
or
fewer
than
28..
E
This
is
your
one
opportunity
really
to
decide
that
it's
because
there's
a
decennial
sent
census
every
10
years
and
during
that
reapportionment
process
you
can
decide.
If
you
want
to
move
that
number
up
to
29
or
down,
you
will
not
have
another
opportunity
to
change
the
number
of
county
board
districts
until
2031.
E
Next
slide,
when
you
make
those
considerations
when
you're
looking
at
how
many
county
board
districts
you're
going
to
decide
on
these
are
some
of
the
things
you
need
to
make
sure
you
keep
in
mind.
Each
district
shall
be
substantially
equal
in
population
to
each
other
district.
This
goes
to
just
that
core
right
of
one
person,
one
vote
in
an
ideal
world.
If
you
had
28
districts
and
just
for
a
number,
you
had
a
thousand
people
or
twenty
eight
thousand
people
in
the
county.
E
You'd
have
a
thousand
people
per
district,
so
each
one
thousand
people
would
get
one
county
board
vote,
that's
probably
impossible
to
do
to
make
sure
that
you
have
an
exactly
equal
number
of
people
who
reside
in
each
district
and,
of
course,
people
move
during
those
10
years
that
10-year
period,
so
you're
never
probably
going
to
have
a
perfect
situation
where
it
is
one
person
one
vote,
but
ultimately
that's
the
goal.
E
Even
the
law
recognizes
that
they
want
it
to
be
as
equal
as
practicable,
and
the
key
here
is,
if
you
do
deviate
and
there's
going
to
be
deviation
again,
we're
never
going
to
have
a
map
where
every
district
has
the
exact
number
of
people
residing
in
it.
When
you
do
deviate,
we
have
to
be
able
to
justify
that.
E
And
that-
and
it
says
you
know-
I
guess
the
one
law
out
of
madison
county
is
greater.
Equality
cannot
be
practicable,
given
the
current
state
of
technology.
That's
why
it's
great
that
you
have
the
program
you
have,
because
we're
going
to
be
able
to
show
based
on
how
you
can
move
those
lines
in
the
program
or
change
the
map,
we're
going
to
be
able
to
show
why
it's
not
practicable,
and
so
the
ability
to
document
that's
going
to
be
a
lot
easier
with
the
use
of
that
software.
E
Let
me
go
to
the
next
one.
E
So
again,
deviation
has
to
be
as
minimal
minimal
as
possible,
demonstrated
and
documented
that
it
more
quality
of
population.
E
One
other
number:
when
we
look
at
deviation,
we
want
to
keep
the
deviation
as
small
as
possible.
So
if
it's
around
one
percent,
two
percent-
three
percent-
that's
really
good.
There
are
some
cases
out
there.
Chairman
wheeler,
sent
me
something.
Was
it
from
where'd
that
come
from.
G
E
F
H
H
E
I
talked
with
chairman
wheeler
about
this,
we're
hoping
that
something
comes
out
of
springfield
that
delays
the
time
within
which
the
board
has
to
pass
these
maps,
because
you'd
really
like
to
make
sure
you
have
that
new
data,
and
I
think
the
data
is
delayed
until
at
least
are
they
saying
october
november
september
yeah.
The
challenge,
of
course,
is
that
if
they
delay
that,
then
your
electoral
cycle
probably
has
to
change,
because
you
have
to
vote
within
your
district
and
that's
going
to
push.
E
Maybe
the
primary
march's
primary
into
next
fall
and
you
can't
change
the
november
election
right.
So
I
don't
know
what
what
they're
going
to
do
we're
going
to
do
the
best
we
can
to
to
get
a
good
map
and
if
we
have
to
base
it
on
the
last
census
data,
that's
what
we're
going
to
have
to
do
because
we're
not
going
to
blow
a
deadline.
Okay!
Now,
if
the
state
extends
it,
it
gives
us
a
reprieve
and
we
can
wait
and
if
they
don't
we're
going
to
have
to
pass
them
out.
G
That
that
was
what
the
the
lawyers
at
ucci
had
had
said
in
their
analysis
and
steve
was
there
and
I
believe,
asa
cognitive
was
there
as
well
that,
unlike
the
state
legislature
and
senate
and
even
congressional
districts,
they
don't
use
the
word
census
for
county
boards.
They
use
the
word
census,
but
they
don't
say
the
one
from
this
year
they
just
say
the
last
census,
so
the
last
one
would
be
ten
years
ago.
G
E
Okay,
next
slide:
when
we
talk
about
compactness,
I
think
we
all
probably
have
a
different
idea
of
what
that
word
means.
Unfortunately,
the
supreme
court
hasn't
given
us
much
input
or
clarity
on
what
that
means
within
the
context
of
redistricting.
They
have
an
eyeball
test.
You
know
it
when
you
see
it,
that's
that's
great
for
lawyers,
it's
terrible
for
everybody
else.
So
what?
But,
I
think
we
all
kind
of
understand
when
you
talk
about
a
district
being
compact.
E
You
know
you
don't
want
to
have
that
one
alley.
It
goes
down
and
then
another
circle
with
a
doughnut
hole.
That's
not
what
we're
looking
for
here.
Yeah.
C
E
No,
no,
so
you
just
you
want
it
to
be
compact.
If
it
can
be
all
squares,
that
would
be
fantastic.
E
I
don't
know
that
it
that
it
can
be
or
will
be,
but
as
compact
as
possible
and
again,
if
something
if
it
appears
to
deviate
a
little
bit
if
there's
a
border
that
maybe
makes
it
appear
in
the
eyeball
test
that
it's
not
compact,
we've
got
to
make
sure
that
our
ultimate
plan
explains
that,
whether
it's
a
footnote
or
not,
it
needs
to
be
documented.
E
Again,
unfortunately,
they
go
back
to
the
eyeball
test.
They
say
it's
relatively
easy
to
verify
by
a
visual
inspection
of
the
districting
plan.
This
this
is
that
you
know
the
doughnut
hole
scenario
which
used
to
exist
when
they
would
draw,
especially
like
state
legislative
maps.
Sometimes
you'd
see
that
and
they
and
they
did
that.
Obviously,
the
gerrymanderer
district
to
create
a
certain
result,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
we
avoid
that.
I
cannot
imagine
well,
they
say
contiguous
as
possible.
G
Only
thing
outside
of
that
is
the
river
that
bisects
throughout
there
may
be
in,
because
if
you
have
to
grab
population,
you
may
have
to
cross
the
river
yeah.
But
that's
only
when
you
make
a
determination
on
the
final
map.
Yep
yeah.
E
And
then
you're
on
the
next
slide,
yep
so,
and
we
always
have
to
keep
in
mind
that
these
maps
cannot
have
a
discriminatory
result.
That's
that's
different
than
what
it
used
to
be
in
the
past
for
a
very
long
time.
They
would
look
at
the
intent
of
the
map
and
someone
that
wanted
to
come
in
and
challenge
the
map.
It
didn't
matter
what
the
outcome
was.
E
E
So
that's
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that
that's
not
what
the
final
map
does.
I
don't
believe
it
will.
E
Are
there
any
questions
on
determining
the
size
of
the
county
board?
The
reason
all
that's
under
there
is
because
it
all
comes
into
how
many
districts
you're
going
to
have.
You
can
pick
a
number
out
of
the
blue.
You
can
say
we're
going
to
go
with
14
we're
going
to
go
with
21..
You've
got
to
be
able
to
draw
a
map
that
has
a
quality
of
population
contiguous
and
compact
districts.
E
So
you
know
one
doesn't
that
one
doesn't
necessarily
drive
the
other.
I
think
before
you
can
figure
out,
a
number
you've
got
to
see
what's
feasible
within
the
bounds
of
the
law
with
the
requirements
you
need
to
meet
for
each
district.
So
it's
it's
challenging
it's
not
as
simple
as
just
picking
a
number
and
then
trying
to
draw
squares
on
a
map.
So
any
questions
about
that
miss.
A
I
E
Sure,
yeah,
that
that
creates
a
challenge.
The
precincts,
though
that's
as
much
as
practicable.
You
can't
cross
the
precinct
line,
but
again
you've
got
to
be
able
to
document
why
you
had
to
do
that
and
really
the
reason
for
needing
to
do
that
should
probably
come
back
to
that
quality
of
population
trying
to
get
the
minimum.
E
Determining
how
board
members
are
elected,
that's
by
district
or
at
large,
obviously
right
now
you
elect
them
by
district.
If
everyone
ran
at
large
that'd
be
a
heck
of
a
lot
of
campaigns
to
have
28
county
board
members
running
at
large,
so,
but
that
is
something
you'll
need
to
decide
in
the
final
plan.
If
you're
going
to
change
from
that.
A
E
You
know
maybe
an
example
of
that,
not
that
it's
bad
or
good,
but
just
an
example
is
that
district
111,
the
their
member
school
board,
members,
are
elected
at
large
and
I
believe,
a
part
of
that
district
encompasses
aroma
park.
So
you
what's
that
bradley,
so
you
have
areas
within
the
district,
so
the
majority
of
your
votes
are
obviously
in
the
city
of
kankakee.
I
B
J
Thanks,
I
think
they
living
in
kankakee,
county
or
in
illinois.
In
general,
we
deal
with
the
we
were
talking
about
townships
and
not
splitting
up
townships
when
we
redistrict
here,
but
there's
only
20
states
in
our
entire
country
that
still
have
things
like
townships.
J
So
I
think
that
when
we
look
at
electing
from
a
different
way
with
as
opposed
to
at
large
or
by
district,
if
you
were
in
a
situation
where
we
had
five
county
board
members
for
the
entire
county,
it
would
make
a
little
bit
more
sense
to
let
people
run
at
large,
whereas
you
have
areas
where
it's
trouble
finding
somebody
to
run
when
you
only
have
four
people
making
the
decisions
instead
of
28,
it's
a
thing
where
a
county
can
look
at
itself
as
one
unit
rather
than
28
microcosms
or
the
17
different
districts
that
we
have
for
our
townships.
J
I
see
a
lot
in
our
county.
One
of
the
biggest
hurdles
I
see
is
all
the
different
townships
create
almost
like
a
excuse
me
catch
my
breath
here.
J
They
create
like
they're
little
packs
of
people
all
over
its
tribalism
through
our
county
growing
up
in
this
county.
I've
noticed
like
people
that
have
such
huge
pride
in
their
township,
that
it
ultimately
creates
more
government
and
overlap
and
waste.
J
J
J
People
that
make
three
thousand
dollars
a
year
if
they
show
up
to
every
meeting,
are
more
valuable
to
me
than
four
people
that
make
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
and
don't
have
to
have
any
sort
of
you
know
recourse
to
their
constituents.
You
know
yeah,
absolutely
absolutely.
When
the
bigger
the
district,
you
get,
the
less
accountability
you
have
to
your
people,
so
I
think
that
a
larger
board
is
more
representative
of
our
community.
J
E
Thank
you
one.
One
thing
also,
you
know
there's
some
characteristics
of
kankakee
county
that
make
us
very
unique.
E
Of
course
you
have
the
mix
of
rural
and
urban,
but
then,
as
chairman
wheeler
often
points
out,
you
also
have
a
majority
minority
rural
area
which,
in
drawing
a
map,
to
ensure
that
you
you
do
not
have
that
disparate
impact
on
pembroke,
township,
so
to
say,
or
sun
river
terrace
that
that
poses
a
challenge.
So
you
wouldn't
want
a
situation
where
suddenly
it
was
at
large
and
then
there's
zero
representation
from
maybe
the
rural
community,
so
yeah
districts.
I
think
you
know
districts
certainly
make
sense
for
kankakee
county
the
number,
but.
E
But
again,
that's
the
only
opportunity
you
have
to
accomplish
that
if
you
were
to
change
it
to
electing
them
at
large
next
determination
of
compensation.
E
This
is
where
you
have
to
determine
the
compensation
for
members
of
the
county
board,
how
you're
going
to
pay
that
salary
per
diem,
annual
or
combined
basis,
and
then
you
fix
that
salary
for
county
board
members
and
then
the
additional
compensation
to
be
paid
to
the
county
board.
Chairman.
D
E
E
E
But
this
is
where
you
put
them
in
lots,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
draw
straws,
but
normally
I
think
it's
probably
even
or
odd,
and
you
pick
the
even
one
and
then
the
evens
get
two
years
odds
get
four
years.
I
think
that's
how
it's
been
done
in
the
past
ping.
Pong
balls,
ping,
pong
balls,
okay,
ping,
pong
balls
all
right
yeah,
but
it
has
been
even
odd.
I
think,
is
the
split,
and
that
makes
the
most
sense
because
you
want
it
to
be
proportionate
on
both
sides.
E
Now,
of
course,
if
you
went
to
multi-member
districts
that
process
changes
and
last
when
we
talk
about
other
considerations,.
E
Openness,
open
meetings,
act,
court,
scrutiny
of
the
process,
so
I
can
tell
you
that
in
many
instances
there
have
been
cases
when
there
have
been
challenges.
Rubicky
one
was
one
of
them
ketchum.
I
think
it
was
morgan,
county
or
madison
county.
E
E
How
long
did
that
process
take
place?
You
know.
Did
the
board
come
in
in
june
and
present
one
option
to
the
board
and
say
we
have
to
pass
it.
The
deadline
is
coming
and
force
that
map
through,
so
that
that's
what
the
courts
look
at.
I
I
think
that
what
you're
doing
here
by
having
this
committee
by
having
a
number
of
representatives
from
the
committee
and
the
representatives
of
this
committee
really
do
represent
some
of
the
urban
community,
the
rural
community
majority
minority
rural
community.
E
E
H
C
royce,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
just
to
piggyback
on
what
you're
saying
mr
rowe.
Our
next
meeting
is
april
26th,
our
next
meeting
after
that
is
may
3rd
next
meeting
is,
may
10th
then
may
17th
then
may
24th.
So
I
you
know
for
the
public
that
might
pick
up
on
what
you're
saying
and
wonder
how
come
they
weren't
informed
on
this
meeting.
There
was
their
information,
so
thank
you.
E
Those
maps
are
created
in
in
back
rooms
and
no
one
has
much
input
into
it
and
if
the
board
decided,
we
were
only
going
to
have
four
or
five
people,
so
you
have
less
than
a
major
majority
of
a
quorum.
You
wouldn't
even
be
subject
to
the
open
meetings
act.
You
could
sit
in
a
room
and
draw
that
map
and
then
present
it
to
the
board.
E
So
this
is
a
very
open
process
and
I
think
that
that's
a
best
practice,
the
other
thing
that
advisory
referendum
so
there's
a
case
ketchum
and
probably
rubicki
one
as
well
that
if
someone
were
to
come
and
they
were
to
challenge
a
map,
I
would
rather
be
able
to
go
into
court
and
say
the
count.
The
county
board
considered
the
referendum
results.
What
year
was
that
2017
2018.
E
I
have
it
right
up
there
2017
advisory
referendum.
I
I
would
rather
be
able
to
go
into
court
and
say
it
was
discussed.
It
was
considered
and
here's
why
they
followed
it
or
it
was
discussed
and
it
was
considered
and
here's
why
they
weren't
able
to
go
to
21
21
county
board
members,
or
this
is
why
they
went
to
24
why
they
had
to
stay
at
28.
E
But
I
do
think
that
that
should
at
least
form
part
of
your
discussions
to
recognize
that
that
was
the
vote
of
the
people
in
in
2017
and
and
their
input
is
important
to
this
process.
Now
I
don't
know
if
21
is
even
a
feasible
map
right.
That
was
the
number
that
was
floated
in
the
referendum.
Maybe
it
would
never
be
possible
to
have
a
county
board
with
21
county
board
districts,
but
regardless
of
what
you
decide,
I
do
think
that
that
should
at
least
be
part
of
your
conversations
and
considerations.
G
Mr
wheeler
question
in
in
2010
the
public
voted
for
a
28
member
28
single
district
member
board,
and
so
the
the
the
one
in
2017
said
21.
It
was
silent
on
the
other
part
of
it.
So
there's
a
consideration
where
they
can
flick.
Do
you
go
with
which
one
do
you
go
with?
Which
one
does
the
courts
go
with?
I
mean
it's
just
advisory
at
that
point.
It's
not
a
referendum.
To
do
that,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out.
Do
you
recall?
Should
they
weigh
that.
E
I
can't
was
it
reduced
the
size
of
the
county
board
from
28
to
21.
21.
we'd
probably
have
to
look
back
at
the
exact
language
of
that,
but
I
think
it
should
be
considered
both
should
be
considered
well
yeah
I
mean
I
would
imagine
the
2010
was
considered
in
the
reapportionment
in
2011,
but
I
think
that
should
be
part
of
the
discussion
too.
E
If
you
decide,
I'm
not
saying
that
you
can't
consider
the
2010
referendum,
but
I
I'm
just
saying
that
I
do
think
the
board
should
at
least
discuss
the
2017
referendum
it's
most
recent
and
and
it
actually,
it
supported
a
reduction
of
the
board
size.
E
Again,
it's
advisory
right.
It's
not
mandatory
the
board's
hand
isn't
being
forced
here,
but
just
to
make
sure
that
that
final
plan
at
least
considers
that
and
allows
us
down
the
road.
If
we
had
to
to
go
into
court
and
say
the
board
considered
it,
here's
why
it
wasn't
feasible
or
here's
why,
in
light
of
the
consideration
of
that
referendum,
this
is
why
this
map
that
the
board
decided
upon
is
the
best
map.
C
L
A
A
G
from
what
I
remember
people
talking
about
back
when
I
first
got
on
the
board,
it
had
something
to
do
with
also
having
a
representative
that
was
truly
representative
of
the
area
that
they
were
in
it
was.
You
know
you
could
have
four
people
that
were
from
one
area
and
then
so
like
we
were
talking
before
then
there's
nobody
from
hopkins
park.
You
know
that
that
scenario
could
play
out
if
it
could
be
one
whole
neighborhood
block
of
four
people
that
got
elected
then
the
whole
rest
of
the
district
had
nobody
around.
G
L
B
E
Thank
you
one
last
thing:
I
should
advise
the
board
of
a
failure
to
complete
reapportionment.
So
chairman
wheeler
noted
that
july
13th
is
the
county's
board
meeting
for
the
month
of
july,
the
by
statute.
The
plan
has
to
be
completed
and
on
file
with
the
county
clerk
by
the
day
after
that
meeting,
so
that
puts
us
to
july
14
2021
as
a
final
final
final
deadline.
E
Ideally,
it
would
be
approved
at
the
board's
june
meeting
if
that
were
to
fail
to
be
completed
by
july
14.
The
county
clerk
would
then
convene
a
three-member
county
apportionment
commission
that
commission
will
have
until
october
to
submit
its
apportionment
plan.
If
that
wasn't
filed
by
that
date
in
october,
then
all
the
county
board
members
would
be
elected
at
large
and
you'd
have
29..
L
Lehrer
does
that
statue
indicate
that
the
makeup
of
the
what
the
clerical
points.
E
For
that
county
apportionment,
commission,
I
didn't
notice
it
in
there.
I'd
have
to
check
to
see.
C
Hunter
yeah.
My
final
comments
is
that
I
really
appreciate
the
effort
that
was
you
know,
put
forth
in
in
this
document.
Here,
it's
clear
to
me:
it's
concise
and
it's
not
a
lot
of
hyperbole
and
legalese
stuff
at
all.
Anybody
with
some
brain
cells
could
probably
understand
this
stuff.
I
mean
this
doesn't
speak
over
our
heads.
I
like
also
the
presentations
by
all
of
you
at
the
beginning,
and
especially
state
attorney
rowe.
C
Also
the
chairman
called
us
in
and
discuss
this
as
well
too
before
this
meeting,
which
makes
sense
in
terms
what
to
expect
he
wanted
feedback
in
terms
of
this
document
and
what
you
guys
are
going
to
present,
and
I
think
what
has
happened.
C
My
estimation
is,
is
durkheim's,
eight
stages
of
man,
trust
versus
mistrust,
and
you
know
I.
I
trust
this
document
and
the
statements,
the
presentations
that
you
guys
have
presented
additionally
being
really
open
to
questioning
of
the
documents
and
the
information
that's
here
and
contains
a
good
job
guys.
G
A
G
Wheeler,
as
as
mr
road
said,
that's
that's
one
of
the
you
know
the
main
things
that
we
have
to
to
do
out
of
this
process.
It's
really
you
know
the
it's
the
payoff
at
the
end.
It's
probably
the
last
thing
we'll
vote
on.
To
be
honest,
we
can
get
everything
ready
to
go
and
I
think
that's
the
way
the
agendas
will
go
in
the
future
is
to
get
some
of
the.
G
I
want
to
say,
light
reading
out
of
the
way,
if
you
will
and
then
focus
on
the
number
and-
and
things
like
that,
of
how
many
and
we
still
haven't
put
together
that
presentation
completely,
but
that's
the
way
we're
leaning
now
just
want
to
to
let
this
group
know
and
the
public
know
that
we're
trying
to
bring
resources
to
bear
on.
Why
or
why
not.
Why
to
more
representation
is
better
when
it's
better,
when
less
representation
is
better.
You
know
the
whys
and
the.
G
Why
nots
and
be
able
to
put
some
things
behind
it,
but
there
is
no
definitive
source.
That
says
you
know
if
you
have
this
many
residents,
it
needs
to
be
this.
Many
people
there's
reasons
to
go
either
way
and
that's
what
I
think
the
group
should
talk
about
much
to
jim's
point
of
of
you
know
you
guys
have
that
debate
in
this
committee
on
on
the
pros
and
the
cons
and
then
if
the
numbers
are
18
or
10,
the
smallest
in
illinois
is
10
for
a
county
board
that
operates
under
township
former
government
government.
G
They
voted
to
do
that.
Oh
I
want
to
say
20
years
ago,
kendall
county
has
10.
each
board
representative.
They
have
two
five-member
districts
and
everybody's
got
about.
I
thought
it
was
51
000.
You
know,
I
believe
yeah
51
000
residents.
G
I
want
to
make
sure
I
find
that
it's
not
on
it's
on
my
list
here
hold
on
just
a
second
here:
yeah
57
368
residents,
but
they
all
get
paid
17
and
a
half
thousand
dollars
a
year.
So
do
the
math
that's
twice
what
we
pay
for
our
county
board
here,
so
it
may
sound
good,
but
then
you're
gonna
have
to
have
full-time
people.
So
there's
gonna
be
reasons
why
and
why
not?
And
we
should
have
that
conversation.
G
Just
you
know
of
these
county
boards
and
by
the
way,
the
number's
the
same
they're
just
ordered
differently
jim.
I
was
looking
at
some
of
the
population
numbers
they're
just.
G
I
could
divide
into
yeah,
so
nine
feature:
multi-member
districts
11
can
consist
of
single
member
districts.
19
of
the
20
county
boards
have
between
17
and
29
county
board
members.
The
average
board
composition
in
these
20
counties
is
24
members
rounded
up
from
2311.
23.11,
because
it
can't
be
a
prime
number.
If,
if
half
the
board's
up
for
a
re-election
every
two
years,
you
can't
have
a
prime
number,
because
it
just
doesn't
divide
evenly
so
21
is
can
be
done
because
you
can
have
three
groups.
G
You
know
it
could
be
two
four
and
four
four
four
and
two
and
then
four
two
four
as
far
as
the
years,
so
you
could
do
it
if
you
went
to
21
if
the
map
is
viable,
obviously,
and
population
can
be
equalized
with
all
the
other
voting
rights
act
stuff
to
be
considered
as
well.
So
that's
all
I
want
to
point
out
that
resource
is
there
it's
on
the
record.
G
People
can
take
a
look
at
it.
Compensate
you
know.
Price
is
not
cost,
so
I
think
people
should
take
a
look
at
that
as
well.
When
you
start
adding
up
the
total
cost
of
the
kankakee
county
board,
I
think
people
will
see
compared
to
the
other
counties
we're
towards
the
bottom.
As
far
as
what
it
costs
taxpayers
it's
about
75
cents
per
resident
per
year
is
the
map
that
we
worked
out
for
the
county
board.
A
And,
as
mr
collins
says,
the
lower
number
that
you
have
you
don't
have
the
diversity
there
and
there's
going
to
be
multi,
not
multi.
You
would
be
on
more
committees
and
you're
not
going
to
have
the
choice
you
know
to
bring
to
the
board.
I
mean
you're
going
to
have
say
21
members,
if
14
of
them,
no,
you
wouldn't
be
that
21
be
like
13,
be
26
12..
A
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
also
think
there's
a
huge
public
breakdown
in
understanding
how
the
county
level
government
works
and
separate
from
I
mean
until
I
was
elected
to
this
position,
I
had
no
idea
how
different
other
states
run
their
local
governments
on
the
county
level
to
find
out
that
there's
only
20
states
that
have
any
form
of
township
government
whatsoever
in
the
entire
country
townships
are,
quite
frankly,
archaic,
they're,
outdated
and
they
cost
lots
of
money
and
they
lead
to
districting
issues
when
it
comes
to
redistricting
our
county
board.
J
Here,
like
we
said
earlier,
we
try
not
to
cross
township
lines
and,
like
I
said
to
you
that
the
tribalism
that
breaks
down
in
a
county
level,
rather
than
everybody's
saying
we
live
in
kankakee
county
and
we
want
to
do
what's
best
for
kanki
tanki
county.
We
have
people
that
are.
I
live
in
rockville
township
and
I
want
to
do
what's
best
for
rockville
township
right.
J
I
live
in
ottawa
township
and
all
these
breakdowns
that
when
it
comes
to
the
county
board,
like
we
said
the
the
low
pay
that
we
have
and
the
representation
that
we
give,
people,
I
think,
is
the
most
bang
for
the
buck,
and
it's
something
that
I'm
learning
more
and
more
every
day.
J
Now
that
I've
been
on
the
board,
how
much
more
functional
it
is
in
comparison
to
the
other
forms
of
government,
the
overlapping
forms
of
government
that
we
have
in
this
county
that
are
much
more
expensive
to
our
taxpayers
and
arguably
much
much
less
representative
to
them.
J
So
I
think
that
going
forward,
we
need
to
work
on
the
public
understanding
really
where
their
tax
money
goes
on
the
county
level
and
where
their
tax,
the
things
that
eat
their
tax
money
the
most
and
by
far
it's
not
28
3
000
a
year
county
board
members,
with
the
exception
of
I
mean
that's
based
on
your
per
diem.
You
really
want
to
look
at
the
things
that
are
killing
your
your
tax
base
here
in
the
county.
J
Why
do
you
need
28
people
to
represent
110
000
people
and
what
they're
missing,
like
I
said,
is
as
the
low
pay
that
it
costs
you
can
cut
our
county
board
in
half
and
you're
saving.
You
know
one
salary
a
year
roughly
when
you,
if
you
cut
14
members
out
at
roughly
three
grand
a
year,
you
know
it's
you're,
losing
a
lot
of
representation
to
not
save
a
lot
of
money.
So
I
think
we
could
work
on
educating
the
public
more
too.
J
A
E
Can
I
think
one
thing
that
is
key
to
this
process
is
it's
very
easy
for
someone
to
come
forward
and
scream?
No
when
they
see
a
map
or
any
map
and
to
be
against
everything
we
see
that
often,
but
it's
a
challenge
for
them
to
bring
their
own
map
to
the
table.
So
I
think
you
know.
I
know
when,
when
people
talk
to
me
about
this
issue,
I
always
punt
and
say
it's
up
to
the
county
board
to
do
it,
but
I'm
going
to
encourage
them
through
in
those
discussions.
E
E
So
it's
easy
to
say
no,
it's
a
whole
lot
harder
to
bring
ideas
to
the
table
so
whether
it's
fellow
board,
members
or
community
members,
I
hope
you
encourage
them.
If
they
don't
like
what
they're
hearing
they
can
come
to
the
meetings
but
bring
something
to
the
table.
G
G
So
for
the
next
meeting,
I
will
put
another
public
comment
actually
for
the
first
item
on
the
agenda
and
then
right
before
the
final
vote,
so
they'll
be
able
to
respond
to
what
they
heard
today
via
public
comment,
we'll
go
through
and
hopefully
get
some
of
the
I'm
gonna
say
lightweight
stuff
out
of
the
way,
and
then
you
can
have
that
robust
debate
about
those
issues
that
may
be
contentious
and
before
you
vote,
get
public
comment
at
that
point
as
well
then
come
back
for
for
the
vote.
G
I
thought
that's
probably
the
best
way
to
go
about
it,
because
once
this
process
is
done,
then
and
say,
we've
chosen
or
the
board.
This
committee
has
chosen
you'll
send
what
you've
chosen
to
the
full
board,
they'll
approve
it
or
disapprove
it
amend
it
whatever.
Then
it
will
be
now.
We
need
to
draw
different
versions
of
that
map
for
this
committee
to
reconvene
and
decide
which
map
they're
going
to
recommend
to
the
full
board.
Does
that
make
sense,
so
it's
kind
of
a
broken.
G
You
know
we're
disjoining
things
at
one
point:
we're
going
to
kind
of
stop
once
you've
made
your
decision
full
board
will
vote
then
we'll
come
back
and
look
at
different
versions
of
what
was
approved
and
then
approve
that
send
it
to
the
full
board
for
june
makes
sense.
Yes,
okay,
if.
E
Legislation
is
going
to
have
to
determine
that
because
it's
pretty
clear
you've
got
to
have
it
by
that
date
in
july.
Any
extension,
beyond
that,
the
state's
going
to
have
to
grant
that
authority.
G
But
the
good
thing
is:
if
we
do
this
now
and
they
do
something
right
up
the
last
minute
and
say
you
have
until
september.
Well,
all
we
have
to
do
is
a
quick
adjustment
to
rebalance
the
numbers.
We've
already
got,
essentially
a
map
that
can
we
rebalance
this
committee,
get
back
together,
again,
say
yeah.
This
is
okay,
send
it
to
the
full
board,
but
at
least
we
have
something
done
and
ready
to
start
with.
E
If
it
happens,
maybe
at
the
next
meeting
too,
I
think
it
would
be
good
if
not
only
the
board,
but
the
public
could
understand
that
maptitude
software.
So
I
didn't,
I
didn't
understand
it
until
I
saw
it
play
out.
You
can
put
all
the
data
in
and
it
kicks
out
a
map
and
those
are
roughly
equally
populated
districts,
but
it
doesn't
take
into
effect
or
into
consideration
compactness
contiguity.
It
doesn't
take
into
consideration.
E
You
can't
cross
certain
boundaries
precincts
so
that
map
that
it
spits
out
is
not
it's
not
possible.
It
wouldn't
be
legal
for
that
to
be
a
final
map,
so
adjustments
have
to
be
made
to
it,
and
I
think
you
know
you
would
like
to
think
that
the
software
is
could
just
pump
out
a
fair
map,
and
it's
it
does
it's
just
not
built
to
do
that.
K
A
Okay,
as
mr
sirois
said
earlier,
the
future
meeting
schedule
is
going
to
be
every
monday,
starting
today,
then
april,
26
may
3rd,
10,
17,
24
and
june
7th.
If
we
have
to
to
have
it
ready
before
the
board
meeting.