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Redistricting Committee Meeting 04/26/2021 9:00 AM
C
A
D
D
D
D
There
are
over
three
hundred
and
twelve
thousand
acres
of
farmland
in
kansas
city
county,
we're
the
people
that
produce
the
corn,
the
soybeans,
the
wheat,
the
eggs,
the
chives
the
vegetables,
you
name
it
agriculture
in
kansas
city
county.
Does
it
we're
terribly
concerned
when
you're
talking
about
reducing
the
size
of
the
key
county
board,
because
of
all
the
things
that
we
bring
to
the
county?
One
thing
we
do
not
bring
is
a
lot
of
voters,
we're
pretty
sparse
out
of
some
of
these
country
areas.
D
We
rely
on
representation
of
people
that
live
in
our
community
that
we
know
their
biggest
fear
is
by
limiting
the
number
of
county
seats
that
the
representatives
will
be
concentrated
in
the
populated
areas
of
our
districts.
We'll
still
have
representatives
in
our
districts,
but
they'll
be
farther
away
from
the
actual
agriculture
that
they
are
protecting.
D
We
have
I'm
assuming
it's
thousands
of
miles
of
county
roads
that
have
to
be
taken
care
of
in
this
county.
That
goes
through
the
rural
areas.
We
have
place
patrols
that
have
to
come
to
the
remote
areas
that
the
towns
cannot
provide.
It's
critical
for
us
to
have
representation
on
the
county
board,
and
for
that
we
would
like
to
stay
and
remain
at
the
number
of
seats
that
there
are.
Thank
you.
A
A
A
F
F
G
G
I
know
it's
a
little
bit
different
from
what
these
other
folks
are
saying,
but
it's
it's
the
idea
that
we
need
everybody
to
be
on
the
line
representing
their
individual
districts,
so
so
that,
because
you're
going
to
have
forces
that
come
from
up
north,
like
I've
seen
come
here
and
try
to
influence
the
board
a
certain
way
and
we
that
live
in
the
county
want
to
have
representation
on
the
board.
We
don't
want
the
board
actually
listening
to
it's,
not
it's.
G
Okay,
it
gets
to
listen
to
I'm
a
little
bit
biased
because
of
my
career
right,
I'm
biased,
but
I
like
there
to
be
representation,
and
I
don't
want
it
to
be
changed
because
I
think
the
representation,
the
the
whole
of
the
unit
is
better
equipped
than
if
you
reduce
it
and
then
just
the
heavily,
I
shouldn't
say
democratic,
but
the
heavily
populated
areas
get
more
representation
anyway.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
appreciate.
D
D
A
D
The
agricultural
community
and
the
rural
representation
is
going
to
be.
It
is
makes
up
about
72
percent
of
that
area,
and
that
72
percent,
though,
makes
up
about
17
of
the
economic
output
of
the
county,
which
translates
to
about
one
and
a
half
billion
dollars
of
economic
impact
that
this
area
will
provide
for
the
county
and.
D
D
If
you
want
to
call
it
that
businesses
that
the
county
has
you
know
going
for
it
so,
and
why
is
that
important?
I
guess
to
the
county
board:
it's
because
the
county
board
truly
their
their
overall
jurisdiction
is
the
unincorporated
area,
which
is
the
area
that
I'm
talking
about
now.
You
know
when
we
have
planning
issues
or
zoning
issues.
That's
the
county
board
that
these
issues
go
to.
You
know
the
board
doesn't
get
to
choose
any
planning
issues
for
any
municipalities
or
anything
else.
D
It
is
this
unincorporated
unincorporated
area
that
they're
dealing
with,
and
I'm
sure
everybody
there
understands
that
with
all
of
the
solar
farms
and
wind
farms
and
everything
that
has
come
before
you
in
the
last
couple
of
years.
Besides
that,
you
know
the
township
roads,
the
tarn
ship
and
overlay
programs.
They
come
before
the
highway
department,
which
is
voted
on
by
the
county
board.
D
D
C
D
For
the
fire
districts
and
everybody
else
who
have,
of
course,
the
larger
fire
trucks,
the
heavier
fire
trucks,
you
know
more
water
being
carried
and
everything
else.
So
so
it's
not
just
for
the
ag
community.
It
is,
for
you
know,
all
of
our
small
communities
and
everything
else
that
are
out
here
that
we
all
rely
on
in
order
to
provide
us
with
a
safe
environment
included
in
that,
of
course,
too,
is
our
law
enforcement,
which
is
the
sheriff
so
so.
D
These
are
all
reasons
that
I
feel
that
you
know
reducing
the
size
of
the
county
board
is
going
to
be
a
really
bad
decision,
especially
when
the
cost
that
might
be
saved
is
going
to
be
minimal,
because
when
you,
you
know,
the
the
overwhelming
number
of
voices
that
will
be
lost
with
a
representation
will
far
outweigh
any
costly.
You
know
savings
that
may
be
realized,
and
I
think
maybe,
because
future
boards
may
sit
there
and
go
no
we're
not
making
enough
so
so
that
cost
savings
may
disappear
anyway.
D
So
I
just
feel
that
that
the
28
has
given
the
county,
a
true
representation
for
all
of
the
areas,
and
I
would
certainly
hate
to
see
the
rural
area
and
and
of
course,
with
the
economic
you
know
benefits
that
the
rural
area
provides.
I
would
hate
to
see
that
their
voices
would
be
lost.
So
again,
I
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
and
I
certainly
am
in
favor
of
keeping
28
board
districts.
J
That's
better,
thank
you,
kinky
key,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you.
I
think
it's
pretty
clear
that
per
diem
you
get
paid
when
you
show
up,
you
should
only
get
paid
when
you
show
up
when
you
represent
people,
if
you
don't
show
up
you're,
not
representing
them,
so
I
vote
that
per
diem
is
the
way
to
go
here.
It
seems
pretty
common
sense.
Just
comment.
J
K
L
Most
of
us
take
this
very
seriously.
They
get
people
on
the
board
here.
I'd
say
all
of
us
do
and
we're
here
as
often
as
absolutely
positive-
and
I
think
I
missed
one
meeting
in
three
years,
because
that
was
something
else
had
to
happen,
but
you
really
need
to
be
here
in
order
to
hear
what's
going
on
and
know
what's
going
on,
because
watching
it
on
youtube,
doesn't
give
you
the
same
feeling
as
being
actually
in
the
meeting
itself.
L
H
I
Okay,
so
each
one
of
these
would
individually
be
voted,
each
would
be
individually
voted
on
coleman,
culminating
the
final
one
is
how
many
districts
and
then
that's
sent
to
the
full
board
for
in
in
may.
If
we
get
done
before
then,
which
I
would
assume
we
probably
are,
but
then
then
they
come
back
and-
and
this
committee
will
start
meeting
with
different
versions
of
that
map.
I
H
Okay,
then
then
it
probably
would
be
appropriate
to
have
a
motion
and
then
discussion.
I
thought
that
these
were
just
discussion
matters,
but
if
they're
gonna
make
so
I
guess
you
know
it's
it's
okay,
to
explain
kind
of
what
the
issues
are
and
then,
if
someone
has
a
motion
they
make
the
motion,
then
there'll
be
discussion
and
then
a
vote.
M
A
question
on
the
motion,
mr
mr
chairman,
thank
you
so
much
for
allowing
me
to
mention
a
matter
which
I
had
brought
forward
to
several
of
the
board
members.
All
of
us-
and
I
I
think
I
speak
for
the
vast
majority
of
the
the
county
board.
Members
are
public
servants
and-
and
I
hadn't
even
realized,
or
even
known
in
terms
of
what
the
compensation
was
for
the
county
board.
M
M
M
However,
what
I
want
for
your
consideration
and
for
the
chairman
and
and
the
executive
committee
to
even
consider
even
now,
that
that
we
should
consider
excuse,
absences,
I'm
I'm
not
trying
to
give
you
a
number
or
whatever,
but
sometimes
you
know,
people
can't
be
here
by
virtue
of
extenuating
circumstances,
deaths
special
occasions
for
the
grandchildren,
family
members
etc,
other
kinds
of
things.
So
I
want
you
to
think
in
terms
of
that
as
well
too.
M
I'm
not
proposing
that
that
people
not
come
to
the
meetings,
sometimes
there's
physiological
conditions,
there's
illnesses
etc,
which
provide
that
they
not
be
physically
here
and
in
that
particular
instance.
Maybe
zoom
may
be
the
accommodation
which
may
be
able
to
be
utilized,
but
I
just
want
you
to
think
in
terms
of
that
in
the
future
when
we're
considering
this
per
diem
thing.
M
A
J
J
So
if
you
have
a
bunch
of
representatives
that
are
making
a
per
diem
wage
and
we're
not
making
thousands
and
thousands
of
dollars
a
year
and
we're
showing
up
to
meetings,
the
idea
would
ultimately
be
to
make
it
not
about
money
to
be
in
this
position
at
all.
I
didn't
run
for
this
position
to
get
my
check
every
month.
J
So
when
you
look
at
how
much
we
make
compared
to
what
we
accomplish,
the
per
diem,
though
especially
with
options,
should
be
on
zoom
you
can.
You
can
still
participate
from
far
away,
so
I
would
say:
stick
with
per
diem
and
you
show
up
you
get
it
if
you're
on
zoom,
you
get
it.
If
you
don't,
you
shouldn't
be
that
concerned
with
it,
because
it
shouldn't
be
about
the
money
anyways.
H
A
B
N
N
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
agree
by
district
because
of
representation.
Many
of
the
people
in
our
districts
know
us
and
are
able
to
get
in
contact
with
us
they're
familiar
with
us.
We
can
represent
them.
We
know
what
the
issues
are
in
that
area.
So
I
totally
agree.
District
representation
is
the
best.
O
O
A
M
A
A
I
Yes,
the
technically
you
know
the
the
county
board.
Members
have
traditionally
had
a
guaranteed
issue:
10
000
life
insurance
policy,
the
cost
is
minimal,
but
it
is
compensation,
so
it
has
to
be
voted
on.
I've
noticed
that
that
the
last
time
it
wasn't
voted
on
at
the
redistricting
of
reapportionment
time,
and
it
wasn't
the
time
before
that,
so
we
have
to
vote
on
it
because
I
consider
it
compensation.
I
think
state's
attorney
would
agree.
C
N
J
If
you
guys
can't
make
it
to
a
meeting
over
five
more
dollars,
I
don't
think
it's
worth
the
way
it's
gonna
look
to
the
public.
It
sends
a
wrong
message.
If
anything,
I
would
vote
to
lower
our
pay,
just
as
a
show
of
good
faith
to
a
public
that
has
been
shaken
by
local
by
politics
in
general
in
the
last
year
to
come
out
of
cove,
especially
with
the
money
that
we're
about
to
get
for
this
county.
N
N
A
N
H
G
A
J
Well,
I
agree
that
connie
I
mean
the
five
dollar
raise
would
be
very,
very
minimal.
On
paper,
like
I
said
it's
the
optics
of
it
and
the
public
is
never
ever
ever
going
to
see
a
200
a
year
raise
they're
just
going
to
see
a
raise.
That's
it!
That's
all
they
see
is
a
raise
public
servants
getting
more
of
my
tax
dollars,
especially
living
in
illinois,
especially
living
in
kankakee
county.
The
last
thing
that
anybody
wants
to
see
is
one
more
penny
on
their
taxes.
J
L
Fatherling
I'd
like
to
think
it's
how
we
don't
get
mileage
that
we
used
to
get
years
ago.
You
know
I
some
people
like
me.
I
drive
15
miles
each
way
to
come
here
to
each
meeting
and
you
know
it's
fine
and
I
don't
get
compensated
for
the
gas
and,
but
I
can
understand
where
sam's
coming
mr
peyton's
coming
from,
is
that
that
f5
dollars
would
contribute
at
least
half
a
half
towards
my
increased
gas
costs
at
three
dollars,
a
gallon
compared
to
it.
L
You
know
what
it
was:
a
dollar
fifty
gallon
a
year
and
a
half
two
years
ago.
So
I
I
don't.
I
don't,
but
I'm
also
with
mr
collins
that
you
know
this
is
going
to
be
front
page
of
the
paper
that
we
voted
ourselves
to
raise.
So
you
know
for
five
bucks.
I
don't
want
to
get
an
argument
with
anybody,
so
if
it
goes
either
way,
it's
it's
fine
with
me.
L
A
A
N
M
L
L
M
A
Okay,
a
motion
to
make
the
chairman
by
mr
featherling
80
a
meeting
second
by
mr
hunter
discussion
and
I'll
be
the
first
one
I
am
as
a
board
member.
I
was
appointed
to
be
a
chairman
of
committee.
I
don't
think
personally
that
I
should
get
any
more
money
than
any
other
board
member.
It's
just
one
vote
and
whether
you're
the
chairman
or
if
you're,
not
the
chairman,
I
just
personally
don't
see
where
the
chairman
should
get
anything
else
other
than
a
regular
meeting.
L
Being
the
chairman
of
a
pga,
which
I
am
right
now,
I
I'm
I
go
to
many
other
meetings
besides
these
and
I
don't
get
compensated
for
any
of
them.
You
know
so
when
you
say
raise
the
chair
to
80,
it's
not
covering
anywhere
near
all
the
phone
calls
you
take
all
the
things
you
have
to
do
with
the
planning
department
and
all
the
extra
meetings
you
have
to
go
to.
So
I
don't
think
it's
a
big
deal
to
raise
it
to
80.
Thank
you.
M
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman
candidly.
You
know,
and
I've
been
here
since
july,
having
been
in
another
life
chairman
of
public
safety
committee.
It
requires
a
lot
more
interfacing
with
the
respective
department
heads
in
that
particular
committee
that
you
oversee
bones
you
and
other
folks
who
are
chairs
leaders
incumbent
upon
those
particular
positions.
M
O
I
M
I
I
M
M
J
And
what
do
they
get
paid
for
those
meetings?
If
we
want
to
make
the
argument
like,
let's
see
who
makes
the
most
and
let's
just
keep
raising
it?
Why
not
if
we
can
justify
paying
ourselves
more
because
somebody
else
makes
more
like
I'm?
I
was
under
the
impression
I
was
here
to
represent
my
community
and
invest
in
my
community,
not
my
personal
finances,
even
if
it's
five
dollars
we're
still
paying
five
dollars
to
destroy
our
optics
to
the
public.
A
P
Weber,
if
I'm
not
there,
I
wouldn't
get
paid
the
80.
If
the
vice
chairman
is
there.
I
assume
the
vice
chairman
of
the
committee
would
get
80
that
we
didn't
discuss
that
at
all.
If
neither
one
of
us
are
there,
would
the
chairman
of
the
board
get
the
80?
We
haven't
discussed
that,
but
I
I
have
the
opinion
that
I
was
invited
to
be
chairman
of
that
committee.
I
could
have
said
no,
so
if
it
makes
a
difference
to
a
person,
80
or
75,
whether
to
be
chairman,
that
would
be
a
decision.
O
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
would
throw
one
more
perspective
in
here
in
terms
of
compensation
for
public
servants,
and
that
is,
I
think
there
are
many
of
us
who
do
believe,
there's
a
degree
to
which
some
recognition
for
the
work
that
is
done
does
influence
the
quality
of
people
that
would
be
willing
to
serve
while
none
of
us,
I,
on
the
board,
I
believe,
are
there
for
the
finances.
I
I
think
that
it
should
also
be
known
by
this
committee
that
there
is
many
many
that
I
think
still
do,
refuse
to
take
compensation,
so
any
board
member
can
refuse
to
any
compensation
whatsoever.
That's
a
personal
choice
that
they
can
make
as
well
they're,
not
being
forced
the
only
one
that's
being
forced
is
the
chairman.
J
A
A
N
Weekends
emergency
calls
things
of
that
nature
and
I
think
48
000
for
a
full-time
position
to
get
a
qualified
person
in
that
seat,
and
that's
not
saying
anything
this.
This
isn't
voting
on.
Mr
wheeler,
it's
voting
on
the
position
of
chairman,
it's
it's
tac,
taxful
to
say
the
least,
and
if
you
are
employed,
it's
even
harder
to
do
that
position.
N
M
M
M
Not
only
do
you
have
to
interface
with
federal
officials,
state
officials,
even
people
out
of
out
of
state
I've,
seen
his
actions.
I've
seen
his
the
benefits
of
him
interfacing
with
organizations
like
the
hispanic
partnership,
the
naacp
et
cetera.
It
goes
on
he's
even
interfaced,
with
the
democratic
party
regarding
certain
initiatives
that
impact
the
109
000
people
in
the
in
this
particular
county.
M
A
R
I
think
the
the
question
here
is
not
necessarily
about
the
individual,
as
it
is
about
the
position
and
going
forward.
This
won't
take
place
again
until
there's
another
election.
Is
that
correct,
correct?
So
I'm
saying
sixty
thousand
dollars
today
for
the
level
of
responsibility
of
that
job
is
probably
not
enough.
O
O
We
went
ahead
and
hired
a
full-time
administrator,
who's
done
a
fabulous
job,
and
I
can't
complement
that
hired
enough,
but
I
have
also
seen
enough
to
realize
that
I
was
probably
wrong
about
the
nature
of
the
position
and
that,
in
fact,
the
requirements
of
the
position
are
such
that
even
with
a
full-time
administrator,
it
is,
in
effect
a
full-time
job
for
anyone
that
does
it
adequately
now.
Is
it
possible
that
at
some
point
we'll
get
someone
who
doesn't
do
it
adequately?
Yes,
it
is
at
that
point.
O
A
J
Yes,
so
the
other
is
I,
in
contrast
to
everything
I
said
earlier,
having
seen
the
work
that
the
county
board
member
puts
or
county
board
chairman
puts
in
and
looking
forward,
if
we
are
going
to
lure
someone
to
that
position
to
make
it
worth
their
while
to
perform
it
well
and
to
hold
them
accountable.
A
county
board
chairman
does
act
on
behalf
of
the
entire
county
and
he
acts
we.
A
K
K
K
N
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
just
like
to
remind
the
committee,
you
know,
and
I
know
we're
making
andy
blush,
but
this
is
not
a
vote
of
confidence
for
andy.
This
is
a
vote
of
the
chairman
of
the
kaneki
county
board,
no
matter
who
it
is
so
you
know,
I
think
we
all
understand
the
job
that
mr
wheeler
has
done,
but
I
would
like
to
separate
that
from
this
vote
here
it
and
it's
setting
compensation
for
the
chairman,
no
matter
who
it.
L
Chairman
I'd
I'd
also
like
to
comment
on
the
fact
that
you
know.
Obviously
he
does
a
great
job
and
he's
always
on
the
call,
but
in
order
to
get
somebody
to
take
that
position,
if
somebody
knows
what
that
position
entails
nobody's
going
to
take
that
job,
I'm
sorry!
I
don't
know
what
to
tell
you.
We
had
issues
and
nobody
wanted
to
step
up,
and
you
know
todd
was
in
and
out
of
there
two
three
times.
I
don't
know
how
many
times
he
was
in
another,
but
you
you
can't
go.
L
You
can't
get
anybody
to
come
and
and
do
any
kind
of
a
job
or
anything
for
that
kind
of
salary.
What
you're
talking
about
right
now,
an
executive
position,
a
management
position
should
pay
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year,
most
of
them
between
80
and
100,
so
to
run
a
whole
county,
be
responsible
for
how
many
employees
in
this
county,
the
chairman's
he's
got.
L
It's
not
worth
my
while
to
get
in
trouble
for
that
much
so
in
order
to
get
somebody
quality
to
take
the
chairman
position
when
it
comes
due
or
when
it
comes
up
next
time,
it's
going
to
cost
a
little
bit
more
money,
and
it's
not
a
lot
of
money
to
pay
somebody
to
do
something
like
that.
As
far
as
I'm
concerned,
it's
not
anywhere
near
what
it
should
be
getting
per
salary.
Thank
you.
J
J
Is
there
a
way,
mr
ro,
that
we
could
set
a
scale
of
pay
rather
than
a
set
pay
and
say
that
we're
gonna
vote
on
the
next
chairman
that
comes
in
according
that
we're,
gonna,
vet
them
and
say
you're
qualified
and
to
and
we're
going
to
vote,
and
so
you
make
this
much
in
our
pay
scale
that
we
set
going
forward
or
it
has
to
be
a
set
number.
That's.
H
I
And
just
to
remind
the
committee,
we
have
to
do
this
now,
but
going
forward.
We
will
have
to
do
this
for
the
next
round
of
elected
officials
before
the
next
election
and
then,
if,
if
people
want
to
revisit
things
at
that
point,
they
can
do
it
as
well
that
decisions
that
are
made
as
far
as
compensation
today.
A
N
N
N
A
I'll
go
I'm
like
sam
or
john
craig
long,
daryl
ray
fairfield
we're
in
the
unincorporated
areas
we
travel,
probably
the
most
and
what
todd
yeah
you're
another
one
john
said:
he's
15,
I'm
16
miles
each
way.
Each
way
so-
and
I
agree
I'm
not
in
favor
for
going
back
to
the
mileage
so
comments
now.
Mr
featherling
yeah.
L
L
And
a
half
to
the
next
election
things
can
be
a
whole
lot
different
by
then,
if
you've
got
people
paying
six
dollars
a
gallon
for
gas
they're
not
going
to
miss
a
few
meetings,
they're
not
going
to
be
wanting
to
get
on
special
committees
and
do
that
kind
of
stuff.
But
I
was
kind
of
wondering
if
anything,
that
meetings
that
you
come
to,
that
you're
not
compensated
for.
L
L
You
know
to
be
on
the
county
board
because
she's,
like
you
know
it's
a
lot
of
time,
it's
a
lot
of
driving,
it's
a
lot
of
gas,
it's
where
tearing
the
vehicle
and
all
the
other
stuff.
It's
like
yeah,
but
I
enjoy
it
and
she
goes
you
enjoy
it
then.
As
long
as
it's
you
know
not
too
too
much
expense,
but
can
we
address
it
again,
mr
rowe,
if
gas
gets
totally
out
of
hand
or
you
can't
buy
it
anymore,.
H
Compensation
can
be
changed,
there's
more
than
compensation
can
be
changed.
I
believe,
more
than
six
months
prior
to
the
next
election,
okay,
and
it
would
only
be
then
for
those
members
that
are
elected
in
that
cycle.
The
changes
wouldn't
take
place
for
the
other
county
board
members.
So
I
don't
know
if
it's
otter,
even
that
would
be
up
next,
but
the
others
both.
D
L
I
A
I
Do
want
to
clarify
this
is
an
expense
reimbursement.
It's
not
compensation
right.
So
this
it
was
time
to
talk
about
it,
you're
not
automatically
given
mileage,
it's
an
expense
reimbursement.
So
we
just
voted
that
the
county
board
were
not
going
to
as
a
county
board.
Things
are
bad
we're
going
to
reduce
our
pay
from
74
to
70
and
we
won't
take
mileage.
That
was
all
part
of
the
same
discussion
like
we're
in
this
together
type
conversation.
I
We
had
to
at
the
time
so
we
may
disagree,
but
I'm
just
bringing
that
up.
I'm
looking
at
this
was
the
time
to
talk
about.
It
was
now
because
it
was
coming
up
in
the
in
the
gist,
but
I
think
we
could
establish
mileage
even
right
now.
If
we
wanted
to
I'm
not
saying
we
do,
but
I
think
we'd
have
to
check
that
out,
because
you're
not
being
just
paid
something.
This
is
you
get
an
expense
reimbursement
which
we
have
a
policy
for
that
we
took
ourselves
out
of.
H
I
think
if
you
pass
it
in
connection
with
this,
then
you're
leaning
more
toward
it
being
part
of
a
compensation
package,
because
that's
all
that's
on
the
table
right
now
is
compensation.
If
it
was
strictly
expense
reimbursement,
then
it's
not
something.
You
really
would
talk
about
in
connection
with
reapportionment,
so
I
I
would.
I
would
advise
the
board,
if
you're
not
intending
to
make
this
part
of
the
compensation
that
it
not
be
part
of
the
discussion.
S
I
My
my
question,
then,
would
be:
would
it
be
appropriate
for
the
the
folks
making
the
motion
to
table
that
or
to
discuss
it
here
is
compensation
that
would
be
is
what
jim
is
saying.
We
could
have
it
in
the
executive
committee
and
talk
about
it
as
a
board.
Maybe
finance
might
be
more
appropriate
talk
about
it
there
instead.
H
Of
here,
because
I'll
tell
you
why,
if
you
make
it
part
of
compensation,
then
then
that's
what
it
is.
Okay,
and
it's
going
to
be
like
that
through
the
next
individuals
terms,
whereas
if
it's
an
expense
reimbursement,
then
that's
something,
that's
pretty
fluid
and
the
board
can
decide
to
take
it
or
not.
So
if
times
get
tough
and
you
decide
not
to
take
it,
fine,
but
otherwise,
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
change
that
in
mid
game
after
every
after
the
new
elected
officials
are
sworn
in.
I
N
A
N
I
It's
it's
tough
to
say
I
don't!
I
didn't.
I
checked
the
number
because
under
the
county
code
you
can
only
have
a
certain
number,
so
I
make
sure
we're
always
under
that,
but
I
can't
remember
exactly
where
we're
at,
because
some
places
close
other
places
open.
Some
people
are
denied
for
whatever
reason
or
or
the
business
changes
name.
So
it's
it's!
Okay,
and
in
the
year
of
covid
last
year
I
can
tell
you
that
that
was
a
lot
of
time.
The
liquor
license
situation
in
the
rural
areas
of
the
county.
I
We
have
because
I
have
to
go
there.
You
know
I
have
to
go
there
when
people
say
that
they're,
you
know
I'll.
You
know
vernon,
you
know
lighting
up
tires
in
the
middle
of
nowhere
at
two
o'clock
in
the
morning.
I
have
to
go
there
and
check
that
stuff
out,
so
we've
had
some
openings
in
rural
corners
of
the
county
and
some
of
these
smaller
bars.
I
I
A
L
A
I
The
hearings
that
we've
had
hearings
the
last
couple
years
we've
had
because
when
people
are
having
their
license
pulled,
we
have
to
have
the
hearings
that
we
have
so
there's
been
a
lot
of
special
cases.
We
let
people
not
pay
their
fees
because
of
covet
and
say
you
know,
when
we
get
out
of
this,
then
you
could
pay
your
fees
and
you
know
when
they
let
the
rural
bars
open.
I
If
you
remember
that
you
know
some
paid
and
some
had
to
be
visited
and
reminded
multiple
occasions,
so
it
was
just
an
outlier
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
but
I'm
hoping
it
smooths
down
a
little
bit,
doesn't
look
like
it,
because
we
have
some
interesting
facilities
in
the
rural
area
that
host
interesting
activities.
Let's
just
say
no.
J
Essentially,
when
you
say
you
need
a
license
for
something
you're
saying
I
have
a
right
to
do
this
and
I
have
to
pay
my
government
to
use
that
right.
Licensing
is
nothing
more
than
your
government
taking
your
rights
and
selling
them
back
to
you.
So
I
mean
ultimately,
I
would
like
to
look
at
just
less
licensing
in
general,
but
I
definitely
can't
support
paying,
especially
when
so
many
local
business
owners
weren't
allowed
to
use
the
license
they
paid
for
over
the
course
of
the
last
year.
J
A
N
I
It
just
had
come
up.
Unfortunately,
we
lost
some
very,
very
good
friends
on
this
board,
the
last
you
know
couple
years
and
and
so
it
as
we
were
going
through
the
process
of
of
getting
the
paperwork
straight.
It
occurred
to
me
at
that
point
that
I
you
know
what
this
is
really
compensation.
We
and
I
looked
back
and
we
had
not
voted
on
it
in
the
past
reapportionment
processes.
So
I
think
I
might
have
called
jim
and
said:
hey.
I
think
this
is.
We
should
vote
on
this.
I
I
think,
and
he
agreed
so
that's
why
it's
back
here
if
I
didn't
put
a
number
down
as
far
as
what
it
is,
what
the
cost
is.
I
mean
it's
minimal,
like
you
know
two
three
bucks
a
month
whatever,
but
because
it's
always
updated
so
every
year
you
get
a
renewal,
so
we
can't
say
it
costs
this,
because
we'd
have
to
redo
the
the
resolution
every
year,
so
we're
just
offering
that
10
000
guaranteed
issue
life
insurance
policy.
N
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
about
you
know.
15
or
so
years
ago,
predecessor,
jamie
romine
was
representing
my
district
and
unfortunately
he
had
a
car
accident.
He
was
a
young
man,
had
a
car
accident
and
lost
his
life,
and
I
know
his
family
was
grateful
that
he
had
some
type
of
life
insurance
to
cover
the
arrangements.
A
A
B
A
B
G
A
L
A
motion
we
leave
it
the
same
as
it
is
right
now.
Everyone
seems
to
be
working
with
it.
The
people
in
the
county
seem
to
be
happy
with
it.
I
like
to
know
the
constituents
in
my
area,
and
I
think,
there's
four
people
representing
a
small
area
and
people
might
not
even
know
who
the
other
people
are,
that
that
are
being
involved.
So
it's
always
nice
to
have
one
face
instead
of
four
or.
A
A
L
I
I
could
just
brief
explanation,
so
we
we
have
an
opportunity
with
the
mapping
software
that
we
have
the
public
for
a
window.
The
board
could
open
up
a
a
portal,
much
like
the
the
illinois
senate
has
done.
I
don't
know
if
the
house
has
done
it
as
well,
where
people
can
kind
of
go
in
and
draw
their
own
map
with
the
software.
I
So
I
had
dell
reach
out
to
the
company
to
find
out
the
ins
and
the
outs,
the
capabilities.
Is
it
a
streamlined
version
or
is
it
as
technical
as
the
version
that
I've
seen?
Excuse
me
and
kind
of
learned
a
little
bit
about
and
how
to
manipulate
it,
and
it
is
basically
the
same
thing
that
the
gis
department
has.
I
So
the
public
would
see
the
same
type
of
interface.
That
gis
does
it's
thirteen
thousand
dollars
to
add
that
so
that's
the
cost
of
of
doing
this
and
I
did
check
and
there's
no
way
to
know
which
zip
code
everybody
comes
from.
So
that
was
one
of
my
concerns.
Just
as
you
know,
what
I
would
say
is
just
a
board
member
and
if
I
was
asked
my
comment,
my
constituents
are
the
county.
I
don't
need
people
from
outside
the
county,
sending
us
maps
so
with
it
being
wide
open.
I
We
couldn't
limit
it
to
just
the
county.
That's
my
only
concern,
but
this
the
committee
would
have
to
decide.
Do
you
want
to
spend
the
13
000
on
the
the
online
portal
and
open
it
up
for
say
a
week,
because
you
couldn't
do
it
for
months
because
there's
no
way
to
we
don't
have
that
kind
of
time,
so
we're
up
against
some
deadlines,
so
it
would
have
to
be
three
days
a
week
open
it
up
for
the
the
public.
I
Let
them
draw
their
own
maps
and,
if
they're
viable,
then
they
could
come
before
the
committee.
Once
this
committee
decides
on
how
many
districts
they're
going
to
be,
then
you
could
open
it
up
and
let
it
happen
so
you
could
do
the
same
process
with
paper
maps,
and
you
know
people
would
be
you
know,
could
draw
them
out
on
paper
and
submit
the
maps
and
the
ones
that
are
viable.
We
could
have
put
in
electronically
as
well
so
and
that's
for
board
members.
That's
for
the
public
business
people,
whoever!
I
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
put
the
paper
ones,
so
they
can
just
print
them
off
and
what
the
rules
are.
I
would
refer
them
back
to
what
mr
rose
said
in
the
first
meeting.
If
they
were
to
watch
that
part
of
the
video,
they
would
understand
the
federal
voting
rights
act
and
also
with
the
state
law
regarding
reapportionment
and
balanced
districts,
and
things
like
that,
you
know,
and
so
you
can
look
at
it.
I
You
know,
as
as
mr
rowe
said,
there's
you
know
there
may
not
be
a
definition,
but
you
know
when
you
see
it
it'll
be
immediate
when
something
is
not
viable
per
the
federal
voting
rights
act
and
when
things
aren't
balanced
with
population,
so
I
either
way
we
have
to
take
input
and
we
should
take
input.
That's
why
we
have
two
public
comments
in
our
meetings,
one
at
the
beginning
and
one
at
the
end.
I
L
J
Mr
collins,
you
know
the
best
option
is
to
give
people
the
most
involvement.
But
if
we're
going
to
spend
13
000
on
something
that
we
I
mean,
how
would
we
advertise?
We
can
spend
13
grand
on
it,
but
how
many
people
are
gonna
find
out
that
it
even
exists
in
time
to
use
it
in
order
to
benefit
the
public.
So
I
would
avoid
spending
that
money
as
well.
A
N
C
right,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Would
we
allow
the
public
to
come
in
and
utilize
any
of
the
gis
software?
Then
after
the
fact?
Even
if
we
don't
have
an
online
portal,
could
any
of
the
public
come
in
and
you
don't
see
that
software
or
you
know
you
know
not
having
the
numbers,
it's
tough
to
draw
a
map.
I
mean
I
mean
it's
kind
of
the
cart
before
the
horse
type
scenario
I
mean
you
can
draw,
everybody
could
draw
a
map,
but
we
really
don't
have
the
numbers
it's.
H
F
H
J
So
currently,
we're
constrained
by
time
there's
potential
to
get
an
extension
to
prolong
how
long
we
have
to
redistrict.
Once
we
get
the
proper
census
data
for
the
most
recent
census,
could
we
then
revisit
this?
I
right
now.
If
we're
constrained
to
be
done
by
june,
it
doesn't
make
any
sense
to
spend
this
money.
If
they're
going
to
give
us
the
rest
of
the
year,
it
might
be
worth
giving
the
public
the
option
to
have
this
portal.
I
And
just
so,
the
committee
is
clear
that
what
mr
collins
is
speaking
of
is
the
census
would
not
is
potentially
not
going
to
be
ready
until
september
september
and
there's
really,
I
haven't,
heard
any
guarantees
on
that
either.
So
it's
we're
up
against
the
wall
that
we
have
to
really
approve
our
final
map.
If
you
will,
by
the
the
june
full
board
meeting,
it
has
to
be
done
by
the
end
of
june.
I
So
but
we
don't
want
to
be
calling
special
meetings
if
we
can
avoid
that,
because
those
are
costly
to
do
that,
so
we
the
goal,
would
be.
You
know
to
open
it
up
for
those
those
weeks
and
then
we
have,
along
with
the
maps
that
we're
drawing
like
the
three
or
four
versions.
Then
maybe
there's
three
or
four
of
the
public
versions
that
were
viable
so,
but
we
we
just.
We
would
have
to
do
that
mid-month,
so
we're
up
against
the
wall
time-wise.
I
To
start
pushing
the
primaries
and
there's
not
a
lot
of
flavor
for
pushing
the
primaries
next
year,
and
that's
just
not
you
know,
on
the
state
level,
that's
federal
stuff,
too.
You
know
all
the
congressional
races
and
senate
race.
So
it's
it's
pretty
heady.
I
mean
you
don't
we
could
adjust
our
map
that
we
come
up
with
if
they
give
us
that
extension,
but
it
wouldn't
be
wholesale
revisions
because
we
still
wouldn't
have
all
of
that
ability.
I
We've
we'd
have
chosen
the
districts
and
if
we
see
that
what
is
it
like,
some
cities
are
using
another
data
source
right
now,
some
counties
all
cities-
I
I
can't
think
of
the
name
of
it.
I
just
heard
it
in
one
of
my
meetings,
but
so
they're
using
another
data
source,
which
seems
to
me
contradictory
to
the
state
law.
That
says
you
have
to
use
census,
so
I
don't
know
where
that's
going
to
end
up,
but
we're
not
going
down
that
road.
We're
going
to
use
what
the
state
law
says
per
gym
census.
I
That
word
is
specific
yeah,
not
it's
not
it's
in
our
county
code,
but
it's
not
in
what
the
state
can
use
the
state
can
do
whatever.
I
don't
think
there
says
census.
I
believe
that's
the
difference.
So
I'm
sorry
to
be
so
complex
about
that.
But
things
could
change
when
the
time
comes,
but
we
just
don't
know
that
it's
actually
going
to
happen.
L
Thank
you.
I
like
that.
I've
been
around
this
county
25
28
years
or
something
now
and
I
drive
all
over
the
place
all
over
the
time
here
around
everywhere
and
I
I
can't
see
any
reason
for
any
change.
That's
going
to
come
up
in
that
map
because
we
don't
have
an
explosion
going
on
in
particular
areas
where
this
guy's
getting
500
more
people.
I
think
I've
had
like
12
houses
built
my
district
in
the
last
year.
L
So
that's
you
know
five
people,
four
people
per
house
that
would
be
you
know,
40
people,
that's
not
a
big
change
in
the
demographics
of
my
district.
I
really
it's
kind
of
like
roaded
boundaries,
railroad
tracked
in
right
now
and
I
I
don't
see
any
we
could
go
to
the
other
side
of
the
tracks
or
something
I
don't
know.
I
don't
understand
what
40
people
did.
The
difference
would
make.
So
I
like
to
see
us
just
leave
it
the
same
as
it
is
as
of
right
now,
because
there's
no
other
way
to.
L
L
H
Just
remember
like
we
talked
about
at
the
last
meeting
when
you
look
at
the
case
law
for
challenges
to
maps
what
the
courts
look
at
is
the
public
participation
did
they
have
an
opportunity
to
participate
so
the
more
participation
you
encourage
and
allow
the
better
and
if
it's
a
solicit
input
via
paper,
that's
fine
just
make
sure,
there's
a
clear
process.
The
court's
not
going
to
look
favorably.
H
H
Let
you
know
if
someone
wants
to
vote,
no,
they
should
at
least
come
forward
with
their
solution
and
again
whether
you
do
it
online
or
you
solicit
input
via
paper.
You
just
want
to
make
that
process
as
easy
as
possible,
because
worst
case
scenario,
it
does
go
to
court.
The
court's
going
to
look
at
that
and
any
judge
is
going
to
appreciate
that
the
objector
had
an
opportunity
to
come
forward
with
a
better
map
and
if
they
didn't
that's
going
to
certainly
weigh
against
them.
That
makes
sense.
A
A
B
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
just
wanted
to
run
through
a
few
things
for
for
the
the
board
and
for
the
public
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
kind
of
on
the
same
page.
On
this
you
know
the
the
the
the
county
board,
members
just
don't
show
up
in
a
meeting
and
vote
on
stuff,
they're
they're
engaged
in
a
lot
of
other
things
outside
of
these
meetings.
I
Before
and
after
constituents,
you
know
they
they
go
to
all
these
other
official
county
functions
they
prepare
and
they
research
for
meetings
they
again
it's
it's,
not
all
spoon
fed
they
do
their
own
homework
and
ask
a
lot
of
questions.
Hence
the
my
phone
call,
you
know
tallies,
I
guess
would
be
you
know
from
seven
to
nine
at
night
are
pretty
pretty
heavy
throughout
the
week
so
for
board
members,
which
is
good.
It's
what
we're
supposed
to
do.
You
know
they
have
meetings
with.
I
As
mr
featherling
mentioned,
county
staff
constituents,
other
elected
officials,
you
board
members,
do
go
talk
to
mayors
and
other
council
people
trustees,
all
the
alder
men
and
women
in
other
areas.
So
it's
not
just
a
club
here.
It's
it's
really.
We
we
interact
with
almost
every
level
throughout
the
county
with
with
civic
groups,
commercial
organizations,
you
know
quasi-judicial
roles
with
zoning
code
and
waste
management.
Those
are
things
that
other
board
members
do
continuous
improvement
and
training.
We
just
don't.
You
know,
accept
our
skill
set
as
what
it
is.
I
We
we
participate
in
county
associations
to
sharpen
those
skills
that
we
have,
because
the
laws
are
always
changing
and
and
we
always
have
to
improve
and
evolve
as
times
change
as
well.
So
the
the
when
you're
looking
at
size
of
county
boards,
which
is,
I
believe,
yeah
that's
up
there
now.
You
know,
there's
not
a
lot
of
information
out
there.
That
says
you
know.
I
You
know.
This
is
exactly
what
a
county
board
or
a
municipal
board
should
be
there's
no
formula
a
squared
b,
squared
c
square
type
stuff.
It's
you
have
to
look
at
different
sources
and
different
planning
activities
that
people
have
undertaken
and
what
they
reference
and
you
can
start
going
back.
So
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
that.
Some
of
this
I
have
kind
of
gleaned
from
a
a
a
report
that
kane
county.
Did.
I
They
had
a
group
that
got
together
for
about
a
year
and
a
half
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
roughly
to
start
going
through
this,
because
they
were
looking
at
reducing
the
size
of
their
county
board.
They
were
looking
at
maybe
going
from
single
or
going
from
multi-member
to
single,
so
they
started
this
process
a
while
ago
because
they
were
thinking
about
shaking
everything
up
so
but
when
they
they
their
report
came
out.
This
was
one
of
the
quotes
in
it.
You
know
if
I
thought
this
was
important.
I
I
So
again
it
there
is
no,
you
know
ideal
number,
but
it
says
size
choices
have
trade-offs.
However,
there
is
no
optimal
legislative
size
to
maximize
performance
on
all
municipal
goals.
So
I
thought
that
was
an
important
statement,
because
in
a
different
form,
it's
echoed
through
almost
all
of
the
literature.
That's
been
out
there
that
we've
seen
and
you
know
there
could
you
could
say
that
some
of
that
is
self-perpetuating,
that
you
know
you're
doing
a
study
of
yourself
so
you're
going
to
get
the
answer
that
you
always
wanted.
I
You
know
like
the
law.
Mr
collins
would
appreciate
that
the
township
can
only
get
rid
of
itself
if
it's
trustees
put
it
on
the
ballot,
so
they
have
to
vote
to
get
rid
of
themselves.
So
it's
I.
I
understand
that
some
of
that
may
be
self-serving,
but
these
are
empirical
studies
by
institutes.
These
are
not
just
a
county
board
or
a
city.
That's
gotten
together
to
decide
their
own
fate,
so
size
of
county
boards.
Just
a
few
things.
I
Administrative
functions,
concluding
meetings
at
prescribed
times
with
an
agenda
published
48
hours,
all
the
things
that
people
know
we
have
to
do
those
agendas.
Just
don't
happen.
Ask
kelly
because
I
screw
him
up
and
then
she's
telling
me
you
got
to
fix
this,
which,
by
the
way,
there's
no
approval
of
the
minutes
on
this
one.
That's
her
fault,
I'm
just
kidding.
It
was
my
fault.
I
It
was
my
fault,
so
at
another
future
meeting
we're
gonna
have
to
approve
two
sets
of
minutes,
so
we'll
get
that
after
you
know
we're
done
with
this
stuff,
but
you
know
things
do
fall
through
the
cracks
county
board.
Committees
also
have
to
advise
and
provide
recommendations
on
policies,
levying
taxes
and
fees,
liquor,
licenses,
administering
federal
funds.
I
mean
it's
just
a
whole
host
of
other
things,
coordinating
with
other
county
agencies
that
aren't
part
of
the
county
board.
I
That's
another
thing:
people
don't
realize
that
we
don't
control
the
health
department
and
9-1-1,
but
we
have
to
interact
with
them,
because
a
lot
of
their
systems
are
supported
by
us
here,
whether
it's
hr
payroll,
those
types
of
things,
but
that
just
doesn't
happen-
they've
got
their
own
boards,
so
we
have
to
purposefully
interact
with
them
even
on
a
county
board
member
level
to
find
out.
You
know
some
answers
that
we
may
need
so
the
next
slide
I
thought
was
really
this
is
this
is
kind
of
where
the
rubber
meets
the
road.
I
It's
some
perspective
again.
You
know
you
can
read
the
verbiage,
but
nine
of
these
counties
that
are
listed
here
on
on
this
size,
they're,
all
the
ones
that
are
over
100
000.
I
believe-
and
you
know
you
really
look
at
the
ones
that
are
around
our
size.
It
provides
you
know.
Nine
of
them
have
multi-member
districts.
11
have
single
member
districts,
19
of
the
20
county
boards
have
between
17
and
29
county
board
members.
The
average
board
composition
in
these
20
counties
is
24..
I
I
You
have
114
000
people
somewhat
similar
to
us.
They
have
10
county
board
members
with
two
county
board
districts:
57
000
people
per
county
board
district.
So
it
tells
you,
that's
five
members
and
I
don't
they're
at
large
within
those
districts
if
you
will,
but
they
each
make
17
and
a
half
thousand
dollars.
I
So
you
can
do
the
math
and
that's
about
double
what
we
pay
here
for
having
28.
yeah
again
perspective.
I'm
not
saying
it's
right,
but
it
is
what
it
is.
You
can
look
down
the
list
and
you
know
champaign
doesn't
not
really
like
us
if
you
will,
because
they
have
a
county
executive,
like
will
county.
That's
a
whole
other
layer
of
government.
You
know
that's
very,
very
expensive
by
the
way.
I
So
when
you
start
talking
about
that,
the
annual
salary
is
three
thousand
dollars
and
that's
a
salary,
but
you
can
go
down
what's
another
one.
That's
like
us,
people
say
vermillion
is
that
even
on
here,
no
no,
they
must
be
right
below
a
hundred
thousand.
They
have
a
similar
demographic
makeup.
Yeah
make
madison
county
annual
salary,
they
got
29
board
members
and
each
each
of
them
make
fifteen
thousand
dollars.
I
I'm
just
trying
to
put
some
perspective
out
here
that
we
are
one
of
the
cheapest
things
going
already,
and
that,
I
think,
is
a
good
thing.
It
says
a
lot
about
what
we've
dedicated
ourselves
towards
so
when,
when
people
are
talking
about,
you
know
reducing
the
size.
I
would
hope
that
when
you
ask
the
question,
why
there's
something
else
besides
it'll
save
us
money,
because
it?
What
we
will
see
is
that
it
doesn't
really
save
us
money.
I
I
I
So
if
everybody
started
it
assert
100
people
per
district,
this
district
would
be
at
you
know,
obviously
what
98
and
a
half
of
the
average
98
of
the
average
so
we're
balanced
here.
This
is
a
viable
map.
This
was
actually
pretty
good.
We
didn't
have
the
numbers
when
we
started
this
from
what
they
did
10
years
ago.
We
didn't
know
how
balanced
it
was.
So
when
this
presented
itself
and
when
we
talk
about
population,
it's
it's
lives,
it's
not
political
parties.
It's
not!
I
You
know
any
demographic
information,
it's
just
living
people
within
that
area,
so
this
is
just
like
perspective.
You
know
this
is
we're
not
going
to
get
into
what
the
current
league
map
is,
but
is
there
questions
about
this?
To
start
with,
you
know
just
on
a
basic
understanding
level.
You
know
district
12,
almost
right
on
the
money.
That's
daryl
smith's
area
0.02
over
the
average.
I
So
you
don't
see
many,
I
think
two
percent
was
about
on
either
way.
It
was
about
that
window
negative
or
positive,
two
percent
and
if
you're
looking
at
what
that
means,
this
map
and
it's
in
and
of
itself
about
almost
4
000
residents
per
district
and
the
cost
is
around
81
000
per
year,
which
is
74
cents
per
year
per
resident
of
the
county
to
have
the
county
board,
as
it
is
right
now
so,
and
that
that's-
and
I
think
we
talked
about
seventy
dollars
a
meeting.
So
it's
about
three
grand
per
year.
I
Currently
we've
already
voted
to
change
some
of
those
things,
but
not
substantially.
So
I
guess
that's
it
for
28..
Is
there
any
questions
about
kind
of
the
current
layout
and
and
to
you
know
I
do
want
to
draw
attention
to
hopkins
park
and
sun
river
terrace,
since
we
had
a
public
comment
on
that,
you
can't
do
something
with
what
jim
was
referring
to
of
packing
or
cracking.
You
can't
pull
things
apart
and
and
dilute
that's
a
federal
voting
rights
act
consideration.
J
I
A
I
That
live
there,
correct
yep.
So
that's
that's
why
you
start
doing
things
in
other
parts
of
the
county
and
if
you
do
it
in
and
say
hopkins
parks
on
river
terrace
and
you
start
changing
things.
It's
going
to
have
an
impact
on
what
happens
in
limestone
or
up
in
rural,
north,
north
western
county
and
everything
shifts
around
because
you've
got
to
balance
by
population.
I
So
I
I
purposefully
asked
or
asked
him
to
leave
out
the
connection
between
sun
river
and
hopkins
park
just
to
draw
that
distinction.
These
are
things
you
cannot
do
as
a
committee
because
we
will
end
up
in
court.
That
is
not
something
in
my
opinion
that
is
viable
and
I
think
jim
would
agree
because
you've
you've,
cracked,
that
district
apart.
I
Okay,
you
have
to
have
that
same
type
of
thought,
process
for
the
city
of
kankakee
and
really
and
how
that
manifests
not
just
in
in
in
you
know
the
city,
but
if
it
starts
to
bleed
over
in
other
municipalities,
so
you
have
to
really
it's
it's
a.
This
is
a
tight
rope
to
walk
on.
It's
not
easy.
What
you're
going
to
have
to
talk
about
and
do
so?
I
But
again,
these
are
just
examples.
This
isn't
the
final
maps.
It
just
shows
people
what
happens
if
you
zoom
in
to
kankakee,
like
you
see
what's
going
on
in
hershey,
I
just
let
me
mention
that
go
over
to
hersher
daniel,
if
you
would,
this
is
the
only
way
well,
one
of
the
only
ways
that
they
could
find
to
balance
the
population.
I
I
I
Again,
please
don't
fixate
like
this
is
the
final
map.
This
is
just
an
example
of
what
you're
going
to
have
to
deal
with
if
you're
talking
about
reducing
the
board
you're
going
to
have
to
figure
that
out,
but
once
you
start
you'd
have
to
start
with
hopkins
and
sun
river
terrace
in
my
opinion,
and
then
everything
else
goes
across
the
whole
screen.
It
just
becomes
very
difficult.
Any
questions
about
24.
I
So
all
right,
we
can
go
to
the
next
one
and
by
the
way,
there's
about
4
600
residents
per
district,
approximately
you'd
save
about
12
000
a
year.
If
you
got
rid
of
those
four
positions
for
the
board
and
and
that's
120
grand
over
10
years,
which
is
roughly
the
cost
of
one
public
safety
position
and
then
it's
0.035
of
the
budget,
that's
on
our
fy
actual,
so
you
would
reduce
those
members
and
you
would
save
the
taxpayers
11
cents
per
year
per
resident.
J
Accounting,
if
we
go
down
to,
let's
say
you
cut
the
county
board
in
half
I
mean
just
for
the
point
of
illustration:
that's
not
going
to
be
any
less
committees
or
any
less
committee
meetings
or
people
showing
up
to
meetings.
So
is
that
a
number
accounting
for
you're
still
paying
per
per
diem
for
less
county
board
members
to
go
to
more
meetings.
J
Sure,
if
we're
paying
county
board
members
per
meeting,
if
you
have
three
county
board
members,
they
I
mean
just
hypothetically
speaking:
you're
not
gonna,
have
any
less
you're,
not
gonna,
get
rid
of
the
finance
committee
or
pca
or
all
those
meetings
are
still
gonna
happen
and
people
get
paid
per
meeting.
So
you're
just
going
to
have
three
members
that
go
to
28
people's
worth
of
meetings,
correct.
I
Not
when
you're,
when
we
talk
about
10
that'll,
give
you
that
that
perspective,
because
that's
really
the
lowest
in
the
state
of
illinois
for
township
former
government
is
10.
That's
kendall
county,
so
their
compensation
is
obviously
higher.
But
if
we
kept
the
same
compensation,
we'll
talk
about
that
in
a
second,
so
we
can
prob.
If
we're
done
with
this
one,
we'll
go
to
the
next
one.
Look
at
21..
I
So
21
we
actually
did
include
sun,
river,
terrace
and
hopkins
park
just
to
show
that
that's
a
viable
size
district,
but
it
also
look
what
it
has
done
in
order
to
balance
population
again
across
the
map.
It's
balanced.
We
do.
We
start
with
that
premise:
balanced
population,
that's
over
the
top
of
moment.
So
now
the
hopkins
park-
sun,
river
terrace,
I
believe,
has
olive
moments
in
it.
I
I
I
don't
think
this
is
viable
for
the
voting
rights
act
personally,
but
you
start
to
see
how
these
districts
share
their
balance
population
wise,
but
then
you
have
a
situation
where
you've
got
a
county
board.
District
from
it
looks
to
me
is
that
armor
road
all
the
way
down
to
court
street
district
14
again?
That
may
not
be
the
final
one,
but
it's
balanced
with
13..
I
A
I
I
I
I'm
not
saying
you
don't
want
to
do
what
whatever
you're
going
to
do,
but
you
have
to
take
into
mind
what
the
end
result
would
be
and
how
what
you're
going
to
have
to
defend
at
some
point,
if
it
if
there
is
ever
a
legal
challenge
to
the
map.
So
these
are
just
examples
we
can
talk
more
about
it.
Do
you
guys
want
to
go
to
18.
I
So
20
yeah
21
single
member
districts
takes
it
up
to
about
5
300
residents
per
district,
so
you've
saved
about
21
000
a
year
and
that's
marginally
realized.
As
mr
collins
brought
up,
people
are
going
to
start
to
have
to
be
on
more
committees
to
get
quorums.
You
have
to
have
a
minimal
amount
on
to
be
there.
You've
saved
0.60.
I
I
I
I
I
You
know
they.
Those
are
federal
laws
and
it's
the
right
thing
to
do
besides
that,
even
if
it
wasn't
a
federal
law.
So
so
that's
an
example.
Any
questions
about
this
again,
just
examples,
don't
fixate
on
being
the
final
map.
This
is
just
what
what
you
would
have
to
consider,
because
you
got
to
pick
a
number
of
districts
so.
I
I
I
So
this
10
we
go
to
11
000
residents
per
district
we've
saved
54
000
a
year
which
I
bet
with
all
the
committees
and
everything
labor
negotiations.
All
of
that
kind
of
stuff,
we'd,
probably
be
maybe
20
grand
savings.
At
the
end
of
that,
I
don't
think
board
members
would
you
would
be
able
to
find
people
who
run
for
the
board,
because
they're
gonna
have
to
be
here
so
much
so
it's
you're
going
to
have
to
up
pay
substantially.
I
You
know
at
that
point
and
I'm
not
talking
like
to
100
I'm
talking
it.
May
you
smart
start
to
look
so
like
some
of
these
other
areas
and
then
0.165
budgetary
savings.
So
you
saved
a
whopping,
almost
50
cents
per
year
per
resident
to
take
the
board
from
28
down
to
what
the
minimum
we
see
in
the
state
of
illinois
is
10.,
so
there's
only.
I
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
as
I'm
looking
at
this,
I
look
at
it
but
fear
you're,
going
to
have
the
same
10
people
making
decisions
on
all
committees,
it'll
all
be
the
same.
There'll
be
no
diversity,
no
change
of
opinion,
so
those
10
people
would
control
the
board
that
there
would
be
no
other
opinions
outside.
I
mean
how
how
would
people
even
realize
what's
going
on
if
you're
serving
on
the
same
committee
all
the
time,
and
then
you
come
back
to
the
general
board?
Oh
well,
we
agreed
to
that
at
the
last
meeting.
K
N
J
It's
pretty
clear
that
illinois's
politics
as
a
state
are
an
absolute
disaster.
It's
it's
not
always
going
to
be
cut
and
clear,
especially
to
the
public,
who
doesn't
regularly
have
access
to
the
inner
workings
of
local
government
that
cutting
a
board
from
of
28
members.
When
I
ran-
and
I
think
I've
said
this
before
when
I
ran,
I
thought
the
idea
of
28
districts
was
asinine
for
a
county
that
had
110
000
people,
but
now
that
I'm
here
and
you
see
the
work
that
goes
into
the
county
board.
J
So
that
being
said
on
paper,
the
objective
should
be
to
represent
people
at
the
best
possible
cost,
and
if
we
really
want
to
look
at
getting
rid
of
costs,
there's
plenty
other
places
to
look
in
our
state
and
in
our
county.
And
if
you
dissect
this
issue,
it's
clearly
more
representative
of
people
fiscally
and
vocally
to
keep
28
members.
A
S
My
name
is
marta
perales.
Can
you
hear
me
yup?
Okay,
my
name
is
martha
perales
and
I'm
a
resident
of
moments.
I
want
to
voice
my
opinion
to
keep
the
board
size
of
28.
Smaller
districts
provide
a
voice
to
the
people
and
keeps
them
better
connected
to
their
county
board
members.
At
a
time
when
there
is
a
lot
of
mistrust
in
government
some
warrant
it
because
of
lack
of
transparency
or
the
lack
of
information
provided
to
the
public,
we
must
do
whatever
we
can
to
restore
our
public
trust.
S
It's
great
that
two
public
comments
sessions
were
included
today,
as
I
am
concerned
about
the
lack
of
public
participation.
I
watched
a
board
meeting
last
week
and
about
a
dozen
people
watched
online
in
terms
of
redistricting.
Today
there
are
about
12
people
watching
online.
I
think
that's
a
failure
when
we
get
that
low
of
a
participation
of
people
watching
online.
This
is
we're
talking
about
our
future,
so
every
aspect
needs
to
be
reached
whether
it's
the
newspaper,
social
media,
other
ways
to
get
that
message
out
and
not
just
one
newspaper.
S
All
of
a
sudden,
the
cost
is
simply
is
not
warranted
to
bring
fairness
to
the
map.
Drawing
process,
as
it
was
stated
earlier,
is
a
tight
tight.
I'm
going
to
quote
this:
it
is
a
tight
rope
to
walk
the
balance
of
the
population,
and
then
the
chair
has
spent
two
months
with
proposed
maps
using
the
gis
software
again.
How
is
the
public
supposed
to
do
this
without
the
software?
S
I
also
want
to
make
a
comment
about
the
county
board
website.
I'm
glad
to
see
the
calendar
now
is
on
the
site
listing
all
the
county
board
meetings.
However,
there
is
nothing
on
there
about
redistricting
on
the
county
board
website
or
your
agenda.
I
had
to
find
it
on
facebook
of
all
places,
not
on
the
county
board
website
and
again
I
found
it
on
facebook.
It
was
posted
after
four
o'clock
in
the
afternoon
when
the
public's
not
paying
attention
to.
S
What's
going
on
at
the
county
board
level,
you
meet
on
a
monday,
tuesday,
wednesday,
nine
o'clock,
but
yet
you
release
the
information
after
four
o'clock.
That's
a
disservice
to
the
public.
If
you
wonder
why
there's
no
public
participation,
it's
the
way
you
guys
are
getting
that
information
out
to
the
public.
I
also
want
to
note
it's
been
great
to
hear
you
guys
doing
the
discussions.
It's
it's.
I
wish
there
was
more
people
here.
I
do
want
to
also
mention
in
terms
of
reducing
the
county
board
districts.
S
J
I
once
again
ran
to
represent
my
community
and
I
I
I'm
not
looking
for
a
pay
increase.
I'm
not
here
for
the
money,
I'm
here
to
make
sure
that
we
keep
representation
for
people
the
county
board
chairman.
However,
it's
a
when
he's,
not
asleep,
he's
at
work
and
I've
seen
that
not
only
with
himself,
but
when
mr
cyril
was
sitting
in
the
seat.
It's
a
hard
job,
and
I
I
personally
don't
I
haven't
met
anybody,
and
I
don't
mean
that
there
isn't
anybody.
J
I
have
not
personally
met
anybody
else
on
this
board
that
says
qualified
to
be
the
board
chairman
as
the
one
that
we
have
and
a
person
that's
doing
a
fantastic
job
once
again,
not
basing
this
paid
salary
off
of
him,
but
even
going
forward.
We
need
to
provide
a
respectable
compensation
for
a
job
that
requires
so
much,
and
I
would
like
to
reiterate
that
a
really
wise
person
once
told
me
you
teach
people
how
to
treat
you.
J
So
when
we
look
at
the
fact,
I
notice
it
all
the
time
that
there's
two
or
three
or
five
or
maybe
12
people
watching
big
meetings,
we've
taught
the
public
how
to
treat
us.
We've
taught
them
to
ignore
us,
because
there's
so
many
overlaying
layers
of
government
in
our
county,
you
live
in
a
township.
You
live
in
a
county
board
district.
You
live
in
a
school
district.
J
So
once
again,
I'd
ask
my
county
board
members
going
forward
to
be
representative
of
the
people
that
are
around
you.
Listen
to
your
constituents
and
educate
them,
help
them
understand
too.
I
did
not
know
nearly
as
much
as
I
did
six
months
ago
as
I
do
now,
so
we
need
to
make
ourselves
more
available
to
the
public
and
we
should
work
on
our
facebook
pages.
We
should
work
on
our
website
to
make
sure
that
we're
really
educating
people
on
what's
going
on
in
their
community.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
jake
for
those
comments.
I
will
say
that
for
years
I
wanted
nothing
more
than
to
serve
on
this
board
and
I
worked
really
hard
campaigning
to
win
this
seat.
I
am
here
to
represent
the
district
that
I
was
elected
to
serve
and
to
grow
to
a
larger
district.
I
think
what,
as
I
said
before,
really
enabled
me
to
do
that
job
right
now.
I'm
able
to
answer
every
phone
call.
I
make
trips
out
to
where
this
hey.
Can
you
come
look
at
this
problem?
K
Can
you
you
know,
and
I'm
sure,
doubler
skimmerhorn
when
he
sees
me
in
the
hallway,
he
runs
the
opposite
direction
because
hey
delbert,
you
know
I
write
him,
but
I'm
out
there.
You
know
working
and
not
even
thinking
about
compensation
and
when
andy
asked
me
to
start
the
animal
welfare
I
haven't
received
any
compensation
at
all
for
five
years.
K
I
I
don't.
I
there's
never
been
an
issue
with
that
that,
for
me,
animal
welfare
is,
is
a
passion
and
never
once
have.
I
even
thought
about
compensation
for
that.
I'm
here
to
do
that
job
and
I
do
have
to
run
twice
a
day
on
wednesdays,
for
criminal
justice,
which
I
love
and
then
come
back
in
the
afternoon
to
serve
for
a
wac,
but
I
really
think
that
keeping
our
districts
the
way
they
are
right
now
is
beneficial
to
all
of
us.
L
A
L
N
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
I
just
you
know,
thought
back
to
one
of
the
recommendations
our
state's
attorney
made
and
I
think
it's
a
good
one.
I
think
that
it
should
be
addressed
if
the
motion
is
28
and
it
is
on
the
floor
now
we
should
address.
Why
not
21
you
know
is
your
feeling
that
21
would
not
provide
that
representation.
I
think
it
should
be
stated
on
the
record
so
at
least
address,
because
it
was
an
advisory
referendum.
The
public
did
weigh
in,
but
again
they
also
weighed
in
in
2010.
A
I
That's
why
it
had
to
be
on
the
ballot.
This
does
not
have
to
be
on
the
ballot
at
all,
because
it's
we're
keeping
the
same
form
of
government
so
that
that
part
about
it
is.
There
is
no
legal
question
whatsoever
about
that.
So
I
think
it
would
be
important
that
the
board
would
at
least
state
on
the
record
why
21
is
not
something
they
would
prefer.
N
A
N
N
L
A
A
O
A
I
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
this
committee.
Then
now
has
is
discharged
its
duty
for
the
first
part
of
this.
They
will
not
meet
again
until
the
full
board
approves
and
then
different
versions.
You
know
the
public
will
will
figure
out
when
that
release
date
is
going
to
be.
It
could
be
as
soon
as
probably
the
day.
The
full
board
approves
what
was
done
here
if
they
so
choose
to,
and
then
it
can
go
forward
to
map
drawing
at
that
point
and
then
it'll,
then
this
committee
once
there's
maps
produced.
I
Then
this
committee
will
get
back
together
and
they'll
start
that
monday
schedule.
So
we
don't
have
the
date
yet
because
we
don't
know
what
the,
when
the
maps
are
going
to
be
ready,
like
it'll,
be
two
or
three
different
versions
and
then
we'll
have
two
or
three
different
public
versions
that
meet
the
criteria.
L
I
A
D
A
I
L
L
D
L
A
I
10Th,
okay,
then,
then
the
maps
are
being
created
based
from
that
day
forward.
Okay,
so
the
public
can
start
drawing
maps.
So
we'll
have
the
paper
maps
all
ready
to
go.
Everything
will
be
ready
to
go
at
that
point
and
then
we'll
open
up
the
window.
They
can
start
drawing
them,
we'll
just
accept
them
for
like
a
week
window,
so
we
can
get
them
into
the
system.
The
one
that's
viable,
okay,.
A
J
Your
mic,
mr
collins,
we
should
reiterate
that
the
choice
not
to
use
the
portal
was
made
because
spending
thirteen
thousand
dollars
to
give
people
a
week-long
window
to
do
something
seems
really
fiscally
irresponsible.
I
definitely
want
people
to
have
all
the
technology
available
to
them
to
participate
as
much
as
humanly
possible
all
the
time
it
just
doesn't.
It
would
be
virtue,
it
would
be
a.
J
It
would
be
something
that
people
could,
that
elected
officials
could
say.
Look
we
gave
you
the
opportunity
and
then
not
point
out
that
they
only
gave
them
a
couple
days
to
the
young
lady
in
the
back.
That's
the
only
reason
that
I
would
ever
not
support
and
we
made
it
clear
that
going
forward
should
we
get
an
extension
on
this.
We
can
go
back
and
open
that
portal
if
it
makes
sense,
if
it's
going
to
give
people
a
time
frame
that
they
can
actually
use
it
in.
I
I
Three
four
days,
five
days
before
the
actual
meetings
occur,
so
we
we
are
completely
in
in
the
right
as
far
as
open
meetings
act
goes.
The
second
thing
is:
when
is
the
illinois
general
assembly
actually
showed
you
what
how
the
sausage
is
being
made
as
far
as
map
drawing
goes
we're
doing
things
that
nobody's
doing
on
the
county
level
that
I
can
find
we're
broadcasting.
This
part
of
the
discussion
is
usually
done
in
the
smoke-filled
back
room.
I
What
we
just
did
today
so
while
I
will
say
that
I'm
not
excited
about
that
comment,
I
will
say
that
it
is
disingenuous
to
say
that
we're
predetermining
anything.
This
is
all
completely
transparent
and
open
process
that
you
won't
find
anywhere
else
so
we're
doing
this
different
than
most
than
as
far
as
all
that
I
can
find.