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B
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
do
have
two
guests
today.
I
have
mike
gover
who's,
the
director
of
our
9-1-1
program
in
ledger,
county
and
also
he's
brought
his
friend
ali.
I
can't
possibly
pronounce
his
full
name,
who
is
a
student
at
university
of
kentucky
originally
from
china,
so
please
help
me
make
them
welcome.
B
B
No
response
senator
kerr,
no
response
senator
mcgarvey,
I'm
present
remotely
from
the
district.
Thank
you
senator
meredith,
no
response,
senator
nemes
president
in
the
room.
Thank
you.
Senator
webb,
no
response,
senator
west,
no
response,
representative
beckler
president
remotely
from
the
district.
Thank
you,
representative,
bentley,
no
response,
representative,
blanton,
no
response,
representative
bridges,
response,
representative
dosset,
no
response,
representative
fisher,
no
response,
representative
fleming
present
in
the
room.
Thank
you,
representative
flood.
B
B
A
A
I
think
there
are
other
events
going
on
at
the
same
time
and
they
may
be
able
to
make
it
in
late,
but
that's
part
of
the
reason
some
were
not
present
at
the
beginning
of
this
meeting
for
the
meeting
itself,
we
have
economic
impacts
to
the
agriculture
industry,
economic
impacts
to
wholesale
industry
and
current
economic
climate
in
kentucky.
So
you
can
convert.
B
A
A
All
right,
thank
you,
so
economic
impacts
and
economic
climate.
I
think
the
theme
is
pretty
apparent,
so
I'm
not
going
to
put
a
lot
of
flesh
on
that,
but
if
I
could
have
ryan
quarles,
commissioner
of
agriculture
come
to
the
presentation
desk
and
I
think
we
have
wayne
hunt
of
kentucky
agriculture
development
board
on
virtually.
Is
that
correct?
A
A
A
G
You
chairman
great,
to
see
everyone
happy
october.
It
is
national
pork
month
so
be
sure
to
get
some
pork,
chops
and
bacon
and
country
ham
et
cetera.
It's
also
a
big
time
for
us
to
promote
agritourism
across
kentucky
with
our
500
plus
agritourism
sites,
so
be
sure
to
get
out,
buy
some
pumpkins
pick
some
some
apples
and
add
pumpkin
spice
to
just
about
everything
you
eat
and
drink.
We
had
a
great
state,
fair,
we're
coming
off
a
successful
nasda
conference
and
the
north
american
livestock
show
starts
next
month.
G
But
today,
if
you
don't
mind,
let's
talk
really
briefly
at
a
mr
hunt
and
I
can
tag
team
here
is
last
year
when
we
talked
about
supply
chain
issues.
I
think
the
the
best
example
was
going
to
the
grocery
store
in
april
of
2020
and
not
finding
the
exact
cut
of
meat
or
the
quantity
of
meat
that
you
are
usually
able
to
purchase,
maybe
not
being
there
or
you're
limited.
G
We
also
saw
supply
chain
issues
and
paper
towels
and
for
whatever
reason,
toilet
paper
across
the
united
states
and
what's
happened
since
2020
to
2021
is
that
the
issue
has
become
more
complex
and
it's
becoming
more
than
just
anecdotal
stories
from
across
the
commonwealth.
But
this
is
becoming
a
serious
issue
and
combine
the
issues
of
inflation.
Rising
input
costs
is
affecting
the
bottom
line
on
kentucky's
farmers,
but
before
I
get
into
the
details,
I
just
want
to
say
a
sincere
thank
you
to
our
farm
economy.
G
G
Or
if
you
talk
to
our
friends
in
the
cattle
industry,
the
same
deal
doesn't
matter
we're
starting
to
see
increases
in
input
costs
going
into
the
spring
of
2022,
most
notably
on
fertilizer
parts.
G
We
have
barges
that
contain
the
parts
that
we
need
that
are
not
being
unloaded
and,
of
course,
if
you're
shipping
out
there's
a
shortage
of
shipping
containers,
there
is
piling
up
at
our
ports
and
ustr
can
give
you
details
on
that
better
than
I
can,
and
so
it's
a
combination
of
it
getting
there
on
time
or
being
unloaded
and
there's
multiple
reasons
why
that's
not
happening,
but
one
of
those
reasons
are
labor
shortages.
Across
agriculture
we
still
grow
burly
tobacco
on
our
farm,
the
smallest
crop.
G
Since
I
was
a
child,
just
10
acres
and
we
had
trouble
getting
that
harvested
when
there
was
a
sign
literally
across
the
road
from
our
farm,
offering
a
starting
pay
of
18
an
hour
and
didn't
tell
you
what
the
job
was
and
so
we're
starting
to
see
that
drastically
input
affect
us
right
now
and
combine
the
effects
of
h2a
and
h2b
issues
as
well.
So,
let's
give
me,
let's
give
you
some
statistics
here
and
I'll
hand
it
over
to
wayne.
G
That's
okay,
mr
chairman,
we're
looking
to
see
a
net
increase
in
farm
income
by
over
18
billion
dollars
nationwide
this
year.
I
think
it's
gonna
be
the
highest
income
since
2013,
but
but
a
couple
things
are
causing
that
number
one.
G
We
have
a
lot
of
new
trade
agreements
in
place
that
our
ag
economy
is
enjoying
most
notably
historic
purchases
from
china
right
now
on
our
grain
side,
as
well
as
japan,
the
third
biggest
economy
in
the
world
and,
of
course,
a
complete
rewrite
of
usmca
nafta
2.0
with
mexico
and
canada,
it's
all
great
and
it's
also
being
driven
by
higher
commodity
prices
as
well.
It's
also
expected,
due
to
usda
statistics
that
the
forecast
for
for
our
corn,
wheat
and
soybean
receipts
to
go
up
almost
38
billion
dollars.
G
That's
good
news,
because
they've
been
in
a
trough
for
several
years
now
and
that's
welcome
news
is
going
in
the
harvest
season
as
well.
When
you
look
at
broiler
hogs
and
cattle
receipts,
we
expect
a
27
billion
dollar
jump
from
last
year
to
round
out
about
190
billion
dollars
nationwide.
So
what
you're
seeing
is
you're
going
to
see
farm
income
net
farm
cash
receipts
go
up,
but
that
doesn't
tell
you
the
whole
story,
because
our
feed-
and
we
have
some
friends
here
from
the
cattle
industry.
G
G
That's
a
common
practice
is
go
ahead
and
lock
those
in
you
forward
contract
and,
unfortunately,
some
of
our
suppliers
are
just
unable
to
do
that,
and
it's
making
it
hard
for
financial
planning
going
forward
just
to
touch
on
labor
shortages,
a
little
bit
there's
over
10
million
jobs
available
in
america
right
now,
it's
over
10
million
jobs
available
it's
hard
to
attract
folks
to
work
in
ag
to
begin
with.
It's
hard
work.
You
can't
zoom
it
in.
G
You
have
to
show
up
every
day
despite
the
weather
conditions
and
it's
becoming
a
real
issue,
particularly
when
it
comes
to
h2a
and
h2b
supply
chain
and,
of
course,
the
issue
that
we
all
know
that's
occurring
right
now,
but
it's
hard
to
really
analyze
on
the
farm
level
is
the
role
of
inflation.
Inflation
is
real.
There
is
an
entire
generation
of
american
farmers
that
had
did
not
farm
during
the
1980s
when
interest
rates
were
17.
18
percent
inflation
was
up
there
as
well.
It
wiped
out
middle
class
savings
and
just
made
it
incredibly
hard.
G
My
suggestions
go
out
and
go
ahead
and
buy
it.
There's
different
packages
in
grocery
stores.
If
you
get
a
chance
to
walk
around
you're
gonna,
see
things
packaged
differently.
A
lot
of
that
is
due
to
supply
chain
disruptions
that
there
may
be
a
a
bunch
of
meat
that
did
not
have
time
or
were
not
able
to
be
cut
up
and
packaged
into
smaller
cuts,
you're,
seeing
that
being
sold
in
bulk
et
cetera,
I'm
a
big
coffee
fan.
G
I
support
our
dairy
industry
and
you're,
seeing
different
types
of
containers
because
they're
having
a
hard
time
even
finding
plastic
bottles
and,
of
course,
our
friends
in
the
bourbon
industry
they're
having
trouble
finding
glass
to
put
bourbon
into
right
now,
there's
some
states
right
now.
If
you
talk
to
the
woodford
reserve,
there's
simply
no
no
shipments
going
to
a
few
states
right
now.
G
I
can't
find
the
glass
to
bottle
it,
and
the
last
thing
I've
got
is
I'm
not
here
man
to
talk
about
manufacturing,
but
agriculture
is
a
form
of
manufacturing
just
that
our
supply
chain
usually
takes
them
about
a
year
for
us
to
go
from
start
to
finish,
but
I'm
from
georgetown
kentucky
my
neighbors,
the
friends
went
to
high
school
with
they
work
at
toyota
and
it's
it's
hard
for
them
to
get
the
chips
that
they
need
to
produce
the
best-selling
car
in
america.
G
If
you
drive
by
sparta
speedway
you're
going
to
see
a
fleet
of
four
trucks
just
sitting
there,
it's
affecting
the
resale
value
of
trucks
as
well
on
the
farm
level,
and
so
all
I
can
say
is
we
don't
see
an
end
in
sight?
That's
short-term,
and
so
I'm
trying
to
prepare
our
farmers
for
enjoy
the
higher
commodity
prices,
while
they
last
but
be
cautious
going
into
2022.
That
mr
chairman,
like
to
hear
from
mr
wayne
hunt.
A
Right
and
right
before
we
go
to
mr
hunt,
real
quick
question
inflationary
issues
in
the
ag
economy,
any
particular
thing
you
can
speak
to
on
that
and
mr
hunt
may
also
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
have
anything
on
that.
G
G
It's
going
to
affect
the
macroeconomics,
not
just
farmers,
but
everyday
americans.
I've.
A
F
I'm
ready,
if
you
are,
please
proceed
all
right.
I
appreciate
the
invitation
to
speak
to
you
all
today.
It's
a
little
scary
to
me,
but
I'm
grassroots
agriculture.
What
the
commissioner
gives
the
big
picture,
what
to
think
is
going
to
happen.
What
it
looks
like
I
represent
a
company,
that's
in
18
operations
in
six
states.
I
live
in
the
middle
of
11
000,
acre
farming
operation,
I've
been
in
business
and
agriculture
for
51
years.
I've
seen
a
lot
some
of
the
things
I
see
today.
I
don't
think
I've
ever
seen
before.
F
That's
what's
really
scary
farmers
really.
For
the
last
two
or
three
years
we've
had
the
best
years
we've
ever
had.
I
think
our
yields
have
been
good.
Prices
have
been
pretty
good.
We
had
some
surprises.
We
sat
down
in
2020
and
budgeted
this
company
we're
pretty
large
we're
like
a
500
people,
company
we're
number
three
number
four
in
north
america
for
case
size
based
in
kentucky.
F
We
represent
kubota
new
holland
case
and
about
25
or
30
small
companies
that
really
struggle
today.
But
the
farmer
is
number
one
and
I
get
a
little
report
every
now
and
then
from
from
purdue
called
ag
economic
barometer.
I
actually
got
a
copy
last
night.
It
was
down
to
124
it's
just
like
a
thermometer.
It
goes
up
and
reads:
numbers
I've
seen
it
as
high
as
150
116.
F
F
we've
got.
We've
got
five
dollar
corn.
We
see
it
out
two
years,
but
there's
just
so
much
unknown
in
the
market.
Then
we
get
back
to
where
the
inflation
and
things
that's
happening
above
us,
some
things
we've
never
seen
before
we
are.
We
are
not
a
manufacturing
country
anymore,
we're
assembling
companies
country
today.
F
Nobody
makes
a
there's,
not
a
single
hundred
horsepower
tractor
made
in
the
united
states
or
america
today.
There
might
be
one
put
together
here,
but
it
wasn't
made
here.
That's
the
whole
oem,
that's
not
any
particular
company.
That's
all
up!
Today
we
get
down,
I
think
we
represent
companies
that
done
really
good.
F
They
they
were
just
in
time
inventory.
They
won't
own
any
inventory.
Everything
had
to
get
there
at
the
line
just
in
time
to
put
it
on,
and
then
the
pandemic
came
and
and
a
really
really
strange
thing
began
to
happen.
Nobody
had
thought
about.
Wasn't
anything
parts
wise
made
in
this
country
hard
either
they
didn't
have
a
stock
to
work
off
of
actually
kubota
shut
down.
They
said
made
a
major
mistake.
F
Most
of
the
oems
are
the
same
way
our
manufacturing
is
running
as
best
they
can
wide
open.
I
personally
think
it's
parts
they
can't
ford
takes
a
good
lick.
You
know
they
show
all
their
trucks
sitting
on
the
lot
there,
but
I
think
I
could
show
you
a
field
full
of
combines
that
are
sitting
like
in
one
part
and
ironically,
they
are
sold
and
we
have
to
deliver
them.
Somehow
that
plays
a
big
part
in
everybody.
We
can't
deliver.
F
I
I
don't
know
how
that's
going
to
change.
We
we
just
went
through
kubota
gave
us
some
numbers
yesterday
on
I'll
just
use
one
on
containers,
shipping
containers,
shipping
containers
were
50
200
and
some
odd
dollars
a
piece
in
january,
1
of
2021
they're
22
000
today,
and
you
can't
get
them
that's.
If
we
go
to
reading
these
200
300
400
percent
increases.
Sometimes
you
don't
see
where
that
is
it's
back
behind
the
line.
We
can't
get
trucks
we
can't.
If
we're
about
to
park,
we
can't
get
trucks,
we
can't
get
different
things.
F
Transportation's,
durable
labor
is
terrible,
but
the
bottom
line
is
the
ag
economy
is
strong.
That's
that's
the
plus
it's
what
we
have
to
sell.
What
do
we?
What
are
we
on
expert?
We
can
export
corn,
wheat
and
soybeans.
Primarily
you
read
about
those
morning
and
that's
the
balance
of
trade
in
this
country.
Most
all
of
them
has
been.
We
have
one
example
yesterday
if
we
need
to
pardon
from
china
today,
it'll
be
72
days
getting
here,
not
counting
the
time
to
unload
the
ships
and
there's
81
of
them
said
nothing.
Unload
now
been
sitting
there.
F
Wow
we
got
parts
on.
We
can't
get
we
just
improvise
as
best
we
can.
We
looked
down
the
road
and
saw
some
things
coming
and
tried
to
prepare.
We
stock.
We
are
a
pretty
large
company.
We
act
like
I
said,
we're
number
four
we're
in
a
top
four
for
case
ih
rank
pretty
high
for
kubota
and
u-haul
and
also
but
we
we
stocked
22
million
dollars
worth
of
parts.
F
Just
in
this
country
we
increased
our
parts
inventory
considerably.
We
increased
about
10
to
15
percent.
Before
we
got
in
this
thing.
Thinking
we
better
do
what
we
can.
A
farmer
can't
wait
on
a
park
when
a
machine
is
down
his
window
is
when
the
harvest,
for
instance,
when
they're
planting
this
narrower
today
we
got
he's,
got
7,
8,
ten
or
fifteen
days.
F
That
he's
got
to
operate
in
and
and
down
has
just
changed
happened.
We
struggled
to
keep
that
going.
We
are
built
on
service.
This
company
grew
from
a
three
million
dollar
company
to
a
500
million
dollar
company,
based
in
kentucky
that's
1990,
to
where
we
are
today.
We
are
100
employee-owned
today.
If
we
don't
hardly
have
the
employee
issue,
some
people,
I
think
it
pays
big
dividends
because
they
own
the
company.
F
F
We
have
no
idea
today
if
it's
going
to
make
that
or
not
puts
a
business
in
jeopardy
because
we've
traded
with
a
farmer-
and
he
already
knows
which
difference
is
going
to
be
those
kind
of
things
except
we
bought
his
used
and
put
money
in
it.
Now
we
know
what's
work
but
we're
in
a
situation
today
if
he
doesn't
get
his
new
when
we're
gonna
get
that
used,
we
don't
really
know
how
many
hours
he's
gonna
have
on
it.
F
When
we
do
get
it,
we
didn't
know
it's
going
to
be
pushed
out
and
pushed
out
and
pushed
out
now
and
it's
simply
production
is
because
they
don't
have
the
parts
to
build
and
they
can't
get
the
parts
to
build.
We
have
one
tractor
that
has
the
highest
technician.
We
have
one
tractor
it
has.
He
said:
20
computers
on
it,
a
board
in
here
aboard
his
computer.
To
these
guys,
we
have
to
train
people
to
work
on
piece
of
equipment.
They
have
that
kind
of
sensors
and
things
inside
it.
F
I
think
it's
going
to
begin
to
have
a
major
impact
on
agriculture
enough,
so
we're
a
service
company,
we're
actually
large
in
our
shop
today.
Thinking
in
the
future
we're
going
to
have
to
work
on
stuff,
but
I
don't
know
where
we're
going
to
be
we're
getting
new
or
not.
What
you're
going
to
be?
We've
been
through
a
cycle
like
this
before.
If
we
look
back
in
time
in
1983,
81,
82
and
83,
there
were
some.
F
Not
very
many
people
can
remember
that
I
can,
but
it
was,
it
was
actually
nine
or
ten
companies
in
the
farm
equipment
business
back
then,
when
that
seeds
got
over,
we
couldn't
get
parts
we
had.
We
had
tractors
on
the
lot
they
couldn't.
They
couldn't
get
everything
to
finish
them
when
that
siege
was
over,
we
lost
about
five
or
six
of
those
major
operations
and
only
three
to
four
major
major
oems
left
in
the
market
today.
F
F
The
price
of
equipment
hasn't
gone
up
as
much
as
everything
else,
really
what
it's,
what
it
has
done
is
is
get
back,
get
back
to
the
small
light
of
the
little
greater
blades,
oh
something's,
all
metal.
We
may,
we
may
have
ordered
it
at
a
price,
and
then
you
get
an
email
saying
we're
going
to
have
a
surcharge
would
be
a
steel
surcharge
or
three
percent
of
four
percent.
Some
of
them
were
up
35
and
40.
F
A
I
didn't
mean
to
jump
in,
but
I
thought
you
were
headed
to
another
spot,
the
I
anticipated
some
of
what
you
were
going
to
say,
and
I
appreciate
on
the
micro
level,
in
particular
in
your
in
that
area,
but
I
did
want
to
ask
commissioner
quarles.
Mr
hunt,
you
had
the
you
had
the
advantage
of
listening
to
commercial
quarles
from
the
macro
standpoint
now,
commissioner
quarles
has
heard
the
micro
and
I'm
going
to
let
him
go
back
and
see
if
there's
anything
he
wants
to
revise
or
add
in
real
quick.
G
Thank
you,
chairman.
There's
two
additional
points.
You
know
the
the
best.
The
best
way
to
really
judge
inflation
is
to
look
at
the
weekly
cpi
consumer
price
index.
There's
a
good
of
baskets
that
usda
and
other
and
other
barometers
used
just
look
at
the
daily
weekly
changes
in
the
cost
of
food
in
grocery
stores
and
that's
going
to
show,
and
I
think
in
a
very
real
way
that
affects
most
americans
how
inflation
is
affecting
you
so
be
sure
to
check
that
out.
G
I
want
to
leave
on
a
positive
note,
a
positive
note
that
covet
did
put
some
limelight
on
our
food
production
system.
It
also
showed
us
some
weaknesses
and
one
thing
that
we
did
at
the
ag
development
board
with
wayne
hunt
and
the
other
members
is
that
we
reinvested
in
local
meat
processing.
Over
the
past
18
months,
we've
invested
about
6
million
dollars
total
some
of
that
was
kara's
act
money.
G
Some
of
it
was
tobacco
settlement
across
30,
different
meat
processors,
usda
inspected
across
kentucky,
and
our
processing
capacity
is
increased,
not
quite
double,
but
about
about
from
45
000
head
a
year
to
70
000
and
that
that's
all
kentucky
proud.
And
it's
given
us
a
chance
to
help
highlight
a
supply
chain
issue.
But
it
shows
you
how
surgical.
We
were
well
to
turn
around
and
reinvest
in
a
cost
share.
G
We're
not
giving
it
all
away
we're
helping
pay
for
part
of
the
improvements
at
our
meat
processing
facilities,
and
so
that's
one
way
where
I
think
there
may
be
a
paradigm
shift
about
local
food.
But
it
could
also
be
applied
towards
local
suppliers
as
well,
so
we're
not
as
dependent
upon
as
72-day
weight
for
a
part
out
of
china.
A
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
If
we
could
have
mr
dave
maples
the
executive
vice
president
kentucky
cattlemen's
association
come
on
up
and
becky
thompson
director
of
kentucky
beef
network,
come
on
up
to
the
table
and
join
the
commissioner
there
and
we'll.
I
think
the
chairman
will
give
you
two
or
three
minutes
to
also
add
some
perspective
to
the
cattlemen's
perspective.
There.
A
E
Well,
I
wasn't
expecting
to
get
to
come
and
talk
to
you
today.
So
representative
reed
got
me
in
the
back
of
the
room,
so
I
do
I
work
for
the
cattlemen's
association.
We're
we're
the
association
that
represents
the
the
cattle
farmers
in
the
state
of
kentucky
some
38
000
of
those
those
people,
average
cow
herd
of
about
27
27
head,
but
we
are
the
largest
beef
cattle
state
east
of
the
mississippi
river.
E
So
so
we
are
a
big
cow-calf
state
with
that
being
said,
if
I
sell
a
cow
in
kentucky
today,
that
cow
has
got
to
ride
a
minimum
of
500
miles,
500
miles
before
that
that
animal
is
processed
other
than
a
few
of
our
small
locations.
E
This
is
a
timely
subject,
because
tomorrow
the
house
ag
committee
in
d.c
are
having
having
another
hearing
on
concentration
in
the
meat
packing
industry.
There
are
four
four
large
meat
packing
companies
and
beef,
pork
and
and
beef
as
well
of
those
four.
They
do
anywhere
from
75
to
80
percent
of
the
business.
Two
of
those
four
are
owned
by
brazilian
companies,
so
our
our
hands
are
pretty
tied
in
concentration
of
beet
packet.
E
So
what
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
today
is
we've
had
an
opportunity
in
this
state
last
week
to
get
a
packing
plant
in
our
state
american-owned
plant
american
family.
That
wants
to
come
to
kentucky
and
we
have
not
done
a
very
good
job
in
recruiting
this
company.
I
wish
that
we
could
do
something
more.
I
was
just
talking
to
my
counterpart
in
missouri.
Those
folks
are
going
to
be
coming
to
missouri
next
week,
so
it's
not
over.
E
I
can't
eat
batteries,
and
commissioners
talked
about
the
supply
chain
where
we're
shipping
cattle
across
the
country,
we're
bringing
them
back
to
kentucky
and
that
food
miles
is
is
so
so
great
kentucky's
got
a
lot
of
secondary
distributors.
Here
we
already
have
them
gordon
food
service,
kroger,
cisco
performance
foods,
they're
already
here.
So
how
can
we
get
some
processing?
E
And
it's
it's
really
and
truly
ashamed
of?
What's
the
job
that
we
have
done
in
trying
to
recruit
a
food
processor?
That's
that's
not
a
large
one.
I
mean
it's
two
thousand
twenty
four
hundred
head
a
day
is
pretty
big,
but
it's
not
six
thousand,
and
I
guess
I
would
ask
you
is
how
can
we
get
some
incentive
money
like
we
did
with
the
car
plant
for
food
because
people
when
you
you
cannot
go
you
go
to
kroger.
I
was
there
and
I
got
a
picture.
There's
no
food.
E
E
G
I'd
say
you
got
to
divide
them
up
by
species,
so
the
jbs
plant
louisville's
pushing
10
000
head
a
day.
That
is
not
small,
okay,
chicken
manufacturers.
We
have
several
integrators.
I
think
some
of
them
are
represented
in
the
room
today,
they're
very
large
and
they're
supplying
over
six
thousand
jobs
for
a
lot
of
our
farmers.
G
It's
really
is
it
really
is
a
conversation
about
about
beef
really
not
not
to
overshadow
the
lack
of
processing
needs
in
other
species,
but
it's
about
beef
and
I
think
the
largest
one
is
the
chop
shop
they're
pushing
maybe
hundred
hundred
a
hundred
head
a
week.
A
E
B
So
I
work
for
the
kentucky
beef
network.
We
are
recipient
of
tobacco
settlement
dollars
and
our
job
is
to
educate
our
farmers
across
the
state.
The
38
000
on
new
and
emerging
marketing
opportunities
and
education
and
best
management
practices
on
the
farm
in
2019,
kca
launched
a
long-range
plan
and
within
that
long-range
plan,
was
a
packing
plant
and
desired
for
increased
market
access
within
kentucky.
B
A
All
right
well,
thank
you
all
very
much
and
mr
maples
miss
thompson.
Thank
you
for
stepping
up
impromptu
somewhat.
I
really
appreciate
that
mr
hunt.
Anything
else,
we're
good.
F
I
don't
think
so,
griffin
petrie,
I
think
what
you
see
in
in
our
side
we're
essential
to
agriculture.
We
are,
we
can't
get
new,
we're
a
high
production
state,
high
production
country
we
can't
get
new
and
the
used
inventory
is
down
to
less
than
half.
Why
don't
we
see
a
crisis
coming
on?
If
we
can't
get
parts
in
here
can't
get
labor
enough
to
unload
the
ships
we
depend
on
foreign
country,
we
don't
make
any
of
it
here
or
the.
Unfortunately,
we
just
put
it
together.
A
E
E
Number
of
cattle
east
of
the
mississippi
and
it's
very
inefficient.
The
way
the
the
processing
is
working
here
share
a
quick
story.
Typically,
we
kill
a
beef
at
a
process
of
beef
on
our
farm.
Every
year
usually
takes
about
two
months
out.
I
call
when
I
call
october
2020
it
was
going
to
be
january
of
2022
15
months
before
they
could
get
to
me.
So
that's
a
high
demand,
commissioner
quarles.
You
referenced
the
issue
with
workforce
and
you
specifically
mentioned
h2a
h2b.
Could
you
expand
a
little
bit
on?
G
Yeah
just
very
quickly
so
h2a
is
a
guest
worker
program
administered
by
the
department
of
labor.
It's
been
effectively
used
in
kentucky
since
the
mid
1990s,
primarily
with
tobacco,
but
has
expanded
to
every
day
all
commodities
all
crops.
A
couple
issues
with
this:
it's
an
administrative
burden
on
the
operator,
a
lot
of
hoops.
We
would
like
to
see
that
being
administered
by
the
usda,
since
they
understand
agriculture
speak
agriculture.
G
Number
two
is
that
these
are
seasonal
guest
workers.
Just
recently
we
are
supporting
policy
changes
to
allow
them
to
be
here
year
round.
I
think
that
would
help
out,
especially
with
with
industries
that
operate
year
round,
like
our
cattle
industry
and
our
friends
in
the
dairy
industry,
then
h-2b
is,
is
a
similar
program
but
you're
looking
at
a
lot
of
the
horse,
farms
are
dependent
upon
h-2b
our
amusement
ride.
Operators
are
dependent
upon
that,
but
there's
a
national
cap,
usually
around
66
000
nationwide.
G
For
that,
and
so
not
only
is
it
an
administrative
burden.
The
program
has
not
been
effectively
updated
for
three
decades
or
better
and
number
number
three
is
that
that
there
is
a
quoted
allotment
that
helps?
That
is
preventing
some
access
to
work,
and
this
is
about
bringing
people
in
legally
who
want
to
work
and
return
home.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
and
representative
tipton,
really
said
what
I
was
going
to
say.
I
I
am
one
of
those
small
beef
farmers
and
occasionally
cell
beef
right
off
my
farm
to
people
in
the
weight
or
and
the
ones
that
I
process
it's
15
or
18
months
from
right
now,
if
you
want
to
get
one
processed
but
just
real
quickly,
mr
maples,
this
this
processing
plant
so
have
have
we
completely
lost.
That
is
that
is
that
totally
gone
from
kentucky.
E
H
B
A
That
might
go
into
a
question
I'm
going
to
ask
I'm
assuming
I
will
rather
than
me
assuming
how
about
this.
Yes,
sir,
was
the
economic
development
cabinet
involved
in
working
with
that
project?
Yes,.
E
A
E
A
G
A
1400
1400
jobs
at
good
pay
with
a
few
hundred
million
dollar
investment
for
something
we
don't
have
in
this
state.
That
would
be
a
regional
if
not
half
country
draw
and
a
product
that
we
export
all
the
time
to
have.
Somebody
else.
Do
the
workforce
and
sell
it
back
to
us
at
a
higher
price,
very
good
representative,
bentley.
B
You
know
whatever
they
want:
1400
acres
flat,
water
gas.
I
got
it
and
I
could
say
I
know
they
were
up
there
and
we
got
a
young
man
that
married
a
veterinarian
and
he's
opened
up
a
small
one
him
and
his
wife
on
out
there
behind
koa
on
the
industrial
parkway
they're
going
to
have
100
people.
It's
so
that's
going
to
affect
my
area,
but
cheryl
man.
We
got
the
area,
we
got
the
people
and
we
need
it
in
eastern
kentucky.
G
G
My
department
was
pulled
in
on
this
project
about
two
weeks
ago
and
you
would
think
that
the
kentucky
department
of
agriculture,
which
retains
subject
matter
expertise
in
this
would
have
been
involved
a
lot
earlier
and
I'm
just
going
to
say
we
did
our
best
we're
going
to
continue
to
our
best.
But
I
would
think
that
if
we
want
to
recruit
in
this
in
this
commonwealth,
it'd
be
good
to
include
people
from
across
the
river
in
that
effort,
and
it
would
be
nice
to
be
more
communication
from
the
cabinet
for
economic
development.
A
Completely
agree,
I
understand
they
have
certain
legal
requirements
and
what
the
canon
can't
talk
with,
but
that's
a
point
where
we
can
all
be
creative
and
communicate,
and
you
can
take
15
different
directions
in
this
commonwealth
and
they
can
all
pull
in
the
same
direction.
To
make
a
product,
though,
also
have
senator
webb
you're
on
remotely.
D
Good
yeah,
I'm
in
my
office
up
here,
and
I
apologize
for
that,
but
I
I
just
too
feel
like
you
know.
Communication
is
important
and
agriculture
should
have
been
involved
in
that
discussion.
But
I've
been
following
the
location
citing
of
this
plan
and
I
feel
it's
necessary
as
well,
but
I
think
there
was
a
community
meeting.
Was
there
not
and
the
communities
did
not
want
it?
There
is
at
least
the
article
that
I
read.
D
I
wasn't
at
the
meeting,
but
I
guess
my
question
would
be
maybe
work
on
a
place
that
wants
it
and
and
move
along
those
lines
and-
and
commissioner,
I
feel
like
that's
where
you
would
come
in
very
handy
and
and
easing
concerns
and
fears
and
what
must
work
on
behalf
of
the
cattlemen
and
the
beef
industry
along
those
lines,
because
there's
always
a
lot
of
misinformation.
D
There's
always
a
lot
of
things
and
anti
groups
that
do
not
want
us
to
eat
meat
that
put
things
out
there,
that
poison
the
community
when
they're
targeted
or
when
they're
one
going
to
be
built.
So
I
I
think
these
obstacles
may
be
overcome
and
I
certainly
hope
the
project
still
has
legs
and
I'll
do
anything
I
can
to
assist
economic
development
and
your
office.
Mr
commissioner,.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
senator
webb
and
I
think
well
I
know
I
echo
the
same
thing
and,
and
my
guess
is-
is
that
in
a
commonwealth
like
this
rich
with
agricultural
history,
experience
knowledge
and
work
product
and
many
different
directions,
there's
going
to
be
more
than
one
location,
that's
available,
and
as
far
as
regionally
and
across
the
country,
it
looks
like
an
excellent
state
to
for
a
company
like
that
to
locate
with
representative
prunty.
F
Can
I
speak
one
more
time?
Yes,
please.
I
probably
know
more
about
that
beef
project
than
anybody
you're
talking
to.
Yes,
I
took
the
time
to
go
tour,
the
one
where
they're
from
they're
the
number
one
company
to
deal
with,
I
put
together
29
people
across
the
state
to
meet
with
them
after
the
fact
therefore
got
down,
they
won't
know
the
cattle
market.
F
I
flew
some
people
down
and
I
put
them
from
lexington
from
other
side
election,
all
the
way
to
western
kentucky
in
the
room
with
them.
I
I
am
I'm
not
economic
development,
don't
be
wrong,
I'm
I'm
just
a
farmer,
but
I
an
ag
development
ag
finance.
We
did
put
six
million
to
help
you
get
your
cattle
slaughtered
where
you
can't
get
them
slaughtered.
We
raised
we
raised,
we
put
six
million.
F
The
governor
gave
us
two
million
carries
money,
we
put
four
million
ag
development
money
and
have
spent
it
all
and
have
some
of
them
get
them
raised
up
to
usd
inspected
where
you
know
where
you're
getting
and
things
of
that
nature.
But
this
this
company
that
looked
here
is
probably
one
of
the
best
counties
to
deal
with.
Unfortunately,
their
philosophy
is
a
little
different.
They
wanted
to
move
to
the
population,
they
want.
They
look
in
25,
26
and
27
when
they
think
that
population
is
going
to
be
important.
Being
close
to
the
population.
F
Younger
generation
wants
to
do
how
it's
done.
It's
the
only
one
I
ever
went
in
had
no
odor
no
dust.
I
stood
in
the
middle
of
1200,
head
of
cattle
in
a
building,
wait
to
be
slaughtered,
nothing
outside
and
couldn't
smell.
Anything
no
flies,
no
nothing!
I
came
back
and
said.
I
believe
it's
the
real
deal.
I
did
not
know
they're
going
to
build
one,
that's
not
any
like
it
in
the
u.s
today
I
said
with
the
number
two
guy,
as
it
explained
it
to
some
people
that
were
upset,
but
they
weren't
included.
F
People
wasn't
upset,
they
wasn't
included
when
they
started
to
get
there.
They
just
come
up
turned
up.
It
was
close
to
town
close
to
people,
that's
where
they
got
to
have
1400
people.
They
want
to
be
close
to
people,
not
necessarily
the
livestock
they're.
Not
worried
about
that,
they
want
the
distribution
system
because
they
are
killing
a
lot
of
livestock
and
they're
coal
cows,
which
we
have
tons
of
them
and
it
fat
cattle.
We
don't
have
fat
calabadag
development
to
spend
160
million
dollars
to
lay
infrastructure
down
there.
F
I've
told
them
we
can
grow
by
the
time
you
get
it
built.
We
can
have
what
you
want.
We
built
the
infrastructure
can
do
it
here,
but
unfortunately
I
don't
think
they've
settled
anywhere.
I've
tried
to
get
the
commission
to
give
them
a
call.
I
talked
to
the
number
two
guy
I
was
in
dallas
texas.
They
were
unde.
I
talked
to
him
at
nine
o'clock.
F
B
F
F
F
We
sat
down
last
year
and
we've
done
the
same
things.
Livestock's
number
three
we're
losing
our
livestock
business,
we're
losing
our
livestock
markets.
We
don't
have
them,
we
don't
have
processing,
that's
what
we
have
to
have.
I
put
college
professors,
every
uk
murray
in
the
room
with
them
best.
I
could,
but
it
was.
We
were
pretty
late,
but
it
was
a
really
lack
of
supplies.
F
It
was
one
thing,
but
I
think
the
community.
They
did.
One
thing
made
a
comment:
we
don't
want
to
be
where
anybody?
Don't
anybody
want
us,
but
really
all
friends
of
the
community.
They
didn't
know
anything
about
it
and
he
told
one
group
I'm
going
to
call
names.
They
just
said.
Look
every
question
you
ask
is
a
gentleman
should
be
answered,
but
I
think
we
were
talking
about
with
dave
and
I
was
how
you
start
something
like
that
with
the
community.
F
A
I
did
all
I
could.
I
understood,
and
I
appreciate
that,
and
I
hope
that
from
the
comments
from
multiple
reps
and
you
got
a
question,
I.
B
B
H
B
A
That
covered
all
right,
thank
you
all
for
presenting
and
bringing
the
current
economic
status
and
impacts
and,
and
then
also
on
the
beef
industry,
as
well
as
potential
projects
and
the
need
for
processing.
I
hope
that
you
can
take
from
the
comments
of
the
committee
and
anybody
that
may
be
watching
that.
A
I
think
everyone
here,
including
mr
representative,
bentley
and
myself
are
very
much
interested
and
representative
prunty
are
very,
and
others
are
very
much
interested
in
this
type,
and
I
hope
that
the
project
is
not
dead
and
I
hope
that
the
value
of
the
commonwealth
of
kentucky
and
that
industry
is
well
seen,
and
I
bet
there's
multiple
spots
here.
That
would
be
good.
I
Mike
yes,
sir,
mr
chairman,
I
will
need
a
little
technical
assistance
in
bringing
up
a
powerpoint
and
getting
properly
situated
on
zoo.
A
I
Thank
you,
ladies
and
gentlemen.
Mr
chairman,
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
come
and
talk
to
you
about
the
wholesale
industry
in
kentucky
and
what's
going
on
with
that,
our
industry
is
the
people
that
bring
products
to
retailers
if
you'll
think
about
your
typical
convenience
store.
When
you
walk
into
it
the
range
of
products
you
see
in
there
the
vast
majority
of
it
comes
through
one
of
our
members
to
that
store.
I
I
There
we
go.
Thank
you.
As
of
this
morning,
there
are
81
cargo
ships
outside
of
long
beach,
los
angeles
harbors.
Each
one
has
approximately
14
000
containers
on
board
each
one
of
those
ships.
They
have
run
out
of
anchorage
points
on
the
continental
shelf.
A
lot
of
the
ships
have
now
been
told
by
the
harbormaster.
They
are
just
to
drift
in
the
deeper
water
until
they
can
get
a
spot
on
the
dock.
I
In
addition
to
that,
they
have
been
attempting
to
maximize
the
loading
on
those
ships
as
the
product
tries
to
get
across
the
pacific
and
the
atlantic.
We
have
set
a
record
over
the
last
12
months
for
the
number
of
containers
that
have
been
lost
overboard
overseas
because
of
the
max
loading
on
the
ships.
I
I
In
addition
to
long
beach
and
los
angeles,
virtually
every
major
harbor
in
the
united
states
is
now
backed
up
with
ships
offshore.
There
are
tracking
websites
that
I
can
direct
you
to
where
you
can
literally
see
the
ships
on
the
radar
at
each
one
of
these
ports.
Savannah's
backed
up
new
york
is
backed
up.
I
In
addition,
the
chassis
for
the
containers
are
now
in
short,
supply
containers
not
being
unloaded,
has
created
a
shortage
of
containers,
empty
ones
to
go
back
and
they
are
running
out
of
warehouse
space
for
the
containers
that
they
can't
get
on.
Over
the
road
trucks
to
get
out
to
distribution
points.
I
The
manufacturers
for
our
products
are
regularly
back
ordering
or
suspending
product
lines.
At
this
point,
our
industry
standard,
let
me
explain
what
fill
rate
means
when
someone
orders
say
a
hundred
pieces
of
a
particular
product.
The
fill
rate
is
how
many
pieces
of
that
we
can
get
on
the
truck
to
take
to
them.
Our
typical
industry
standard
previously
was
99
fill
rate
for
orders
from
retailers.
I
Transportation
disruptions
are
expected
to
continue
into
the
third
quarter
of
2022.
At
this
point,
people
ask
why
not
just
buy
american,
then,
if
they're
shipping
problems,
as
was
stated
earlier,
american
manufacturing
is
not
set
up
to
completely
provide
finished
products
from
start
to
finish.
In
addition,
a
lot
of
products
that
are
made
in
the
united
states
are
suffering
from
packaging
problems.
Resins
for
plastics
are
in
short,
supply
bottles
are
in
short
supply,
any
type
of
glass
container
and
the
lids
and
caps
for
those
are
in
short
supply
as
well.
I
To
the
this
point,
major
retailers,
including
costco,
walmart
dollar
tree
home
depot
and
ikea,
are
now
chartering
their
own
ships
in
an
attempt
to
bypass
some
of
the
blockage
there.
I
am
told
that
the
ikea
ships
will
take
longer,
as
they
have
to
be
assembled
from
instructions
with
no
written
words
in
them.
I
Here
are
just
some
examples
that
our
folks
are
telling
us
and
the
fill
rates
that
they
are
getting
when
they
order
from
the
manufacturers,
so
each
one
of
these
numbers,
if
they
order
a
hundred
pieces
of
product.
This
is
the
percentage
that
they're
receiving
on
a
timely
basis,
and
you
can
see
some
of
those
are
names
that
you
recognize
pretty
easily
when
we're
getting
down
to
where
it's
difficult
to
get
bazooka
bubble.
Gum
america's
got
a
problem,
no
question.
I
I
I
I
Whoops
went
one
too
far.
Product
and
overhead
costs
are
also
becoming
a
major
problem.
We
have,
of
course,
increased
wages
and
increased
benefits
which
also
drives
up
our
fica
and
social
security
match
costs.
The
cost
of
energy
has
gone
up.
24.4
percent
we're
a
big
user
of
that
with
freezers
and
air
conditioners
and
other
machinery
on
site.
I
I
I
I
Our
warehouses
are
open
to
you
at
any
time.
We
will
make
sure
that
visit
happens,
and
I
will
be
glad
to
be
the
point
of
contact
to
arrange
that
several
of
you
here,
I
know,
have
already
visited
warehouses
in
their
amazing
operations.
I
can't
keep
four
ballpoint
pens
organized
and
how
they
do
thousands
of
sku
codes
of
products.
I
have
no
idea
with
that.
Mr
chairman
I'll,
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions
that
are.
A
Real
quickly
just
want
to
ask
appreciate
the
update
is
this.
I
take
it
that
this
is
a
situation
that
we
will
recover
from.
There's
no
reason
to
believe
we
want
any
any
prognostication
about.
What's
coming
the
next
six
to
16
to
26
months.
I
J
Thank
you,
chairman
and
tom.
Thank
you
for
your
presentation.
We've
heard
a
lot
of
grim
news
over
the
past
few
weeks
and
for
me
personally,
knowing
there's
a
national
shortage
of
onion
rings.
Is
it
really
it's
close
to
home
and
I
really
hate
to
hear
that
one,
but
a
lot
of
discussion
of
late
about
essential
employees
and
what
is
an
essential
employee,
and
I
would
think,
certainly
for
your
warehouse
people
that
that
would
be
something
that
should
be
given
consideration.
J
I
J
But
we
discovered
there
really
isn't
anything
by
statute,
a
definition
of
essential
employees
and
is
that
something
we're
going
to
have
to
address
in
the
future
that
we
will
even
want
to
address.
But
I
think
our
governor
is
going
to
be
very
hard-pressed
to
try
to
determine
who's
essential
and
who's,
not
because
quite
candidly,
I
think
throughout
this
pandemic.
Anybody
who's
working
is
essential.
A
A
Regarding
current
economic
climate
in
kentucky-
and
you
visited
us
with
us
previously
and
and
you
did
so
well-
we
invited
you
to
come
back
and
I
appreciate
it
before
we
do
that.
I
want
to
give
a
real,
quick
update
to
members
about
an
issue
back
on
september,
the
24th
I
updated
this
committee
and
the
public
during
the
ijc,
a
r
committee
meeting
about
recommendations
that
were
due
to
me
in
this
committee
by
september.
The
first
one
is
from
kentucky
state
police
through
that
agency,
the
other
one's
from
personnel.
A
I
won't
go
back
to
the
details.
You
can
go
back
and
listen
to
the
to
the
comments
I
made
back
on
september,
the
24th
for
government
and
state
government
workers,
as
well
as
kentucky
state
police.
Each
of
those
respective
agencies
were
to
supply
formally
a
proposed
recommendation
on
changes
for
recruitment
and
retention
and
pay
scale
corrections
in
particular
on
state
government
employees
and,
unfortunately,
to
date.
A
I
will
report
that,
although
everyone
agreed
in
public
to
supply
those
recommendations
by
september
1,
they
still
have
not
been
formally
communicated,
and
I
still
have
yet
to
have
communication
with
the
executive
branch.
Giving
me
a
status
on
what
that
is,
so
we
are
getting
late,
and
this
is
the
reason
I'm
bringing
up
an
update,
because
this
is
an
issue
that
I've
spoken
with
several
of
you
about
over
extended
period
of
time.
It's
been
a
subject
of
prior
committee
meetings
and
other
committees
have
taken
this
up.
A
I
B
Raises
we've
all
been
talking
about
for
our
kentucky
state
troopers
that
you've
asked
for
a
number
of
times
and
I
want
troopers
to
know
hopefully
they're
listening
talk
to
your
bosses.
Let's
get
this
information.
The
chairman's
asked
for
it
three
four
five
times,
but
it
includes
the.
A
Trooper
pay
is
that
right.
This
is
kentucky
state
police,
recruitment
and
retention
issues,
and
we
had
this
in
a
budget
review
subcommittee
back
on
june.
The
second
representative
fisher
chaired
that,
and
we
talked
about
recruitment
retention,
pay
scales
as
part
of
that
there's
several
issues
and
we're
waiting
on
their
recommendation.
They
have
the
data,
they
know
what
they
need
better
than
we
do.
We
need
those
recommendations,
so
we
can
pull
that
in
and
talk
about
that
now.
A
I
do
understand
that
there
is
a
difference
between
a
secretary
or
commissioner
dealing
with
something
and
getting
approval
through
the
hierarchy
to
get
that
formally
over
to
me,
but
regardless
it
has
to
come
to
me
so
that
I
can
have
a
back
and
forth
publicly
and
we
all
can
have
that
back
and
forth
publicly
with
the
agency
with
executive
branch,
to
detail
that
to
make
sure
I'm
clear.
It
also
covers
state
government,
employee
pay
scales
that
was
requested.
A
On
july,
the
7th
representative
dawson
chaired
that
the
budget
review
subcommittee
on
general
government
finance
personnel
and
public
retirement
secretary
personnel
weathers.
Was
there
commissioner
bailey
was
there?
Everyone
has
agreed
on
the
record
to
get
that.
I
made
sure
we
had
sufficient
time
frame
to
get
it
recommended
and
over
to
me
still
haven't
received
it.
I
need
formal
communication
from
somebody
that
says
we're
no
longer
interested.
A
It's
not
a
high
priority.
We've
encountered
difficulty
we're
collecting
data,
we're
still
in
analysis,
we're
not
ready
to
work
with
you.
We
had
to
go
to
a
different
thought
process.
Just
give
me
some
kind
of
status
officially,
so
we
can
start
the
official
communications
and
work
on
the
issues,
representation.
A
Can
assume
what
a
hierarchy
it
goes
through,
but
I
don't
know
how
many
levels
it
goes
through,
so
you've
got
you've
got
commissioner
you've
got
secretary,
you've
got
governor
and
I
don't
care
who
has
authority
to
formally
deliver
it
to
me
and
start
discussions.
I
don't
want
to
box
anybody
in.
I
don't
want
to
cut
anybody
off
and
I
don't
want
to
take.
I
don't
want
to
step
in
their
lane.
All
I
know
is
on
this
side.
I
can
receive
it,
but
I
can't
receive
that
which
is
not
given
to
me.
C
Because
it
would
really
be
a
shame
as
chairman,
if
the
department
of
justice
or
whoever
is
responsible,
would
hold
that
out
and
our
troopers
that
are
making
38
000
a
year
compared
to
local
agencies,
making
65
000
being
ranked
75th
in
the
state
as
long
enforcement
would
be
a
shame
if
somebody's
holding
that
out
and
not
letting
us
work
on
it.
So
we
can
make
sure
we
take
care
of
the
people
that
take
care
of
us.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
very
much.
Senator.
A
Carroll
on
remote
go
on
one.
Yes,
mr
chairman,
can
you
hear
me
okay?
Yes,
please
proceed.
I
just
communicated.
A
I
appreciate
that
status
and
I
hope
someone
someone
can
give
me
that
status
even
more,
officially
and
and
deliver
it
formally.
So
we
can
begin
those
discussions
and
the
same
thing
goes
with
personnel
for
state
government,
employee
issues
all
right
with.
That
being
said,
I
just
wanted
to
update
with
that
being
said:
current
economic
climate
in
kentucky
director
michael
clark,
if
you
will
introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
then
I'll
place
you
under
oath.
My.
H
A
H
Okay,
so
you
know,
as
chairman
petry
mentioned-
I
was
here
just
a
couple
of
months
ago
and
gave
you
a
very
detailed
update
about
the
kentucky
economic
climate
and
really
not
a
lot
has
changed.
So
you
know
just
kind
of
set
some
expectations
here,
I'm
going
to
go
over
a
lot
of
charts
that
really
are
providing
you
with
the
same
type
of
information
and
for
most
of
these
charts,
we've
gotten
some
updates,
but
typically
what
we
have
is
about
one
or
two
months
of
of
additional
data
on
these.
H
We're
also
cautious
about
looking
at
month-to-month
changes,
because
sometimes
just
odd
things
happen,
and
they
don't
necessarily
show
up
in
terms
of
long-term
trends,
and
so
what
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
is
what
has
changed
recently.
But
as
we
see,
maybe
big
increases
or
big
decreases
we're
going
to
take
those
with
a
little
bit
of
caution
because
a
lot
of
times
those
might
be
real
things
that
we
should
maybe
get
excited
or
concerned
about,
or
sometimes
are
things
that
just
kind
of
you
know
disappear
with
the
next
month.
H
So
we
always
want
to
be
a
little
bit
cautious
about
interpreting
some
of
the
most
recent
data
that
we
have
now
the
with
with
those
caution
set.
What
I
do
want
to
tell
you
is
that
the
kentucky
economic
climate
overall,
particularly
as
measured
by
employment,
has
continued
to
improve.
We
are
seeing
employment
gains
and
these
are
relatively
strong
gains
based
on
the
data
that
seems
to
be
coming
in
at
this
point.
So
let's
go
ahead
and
get
started
on
some
of
the
the
data
that
we
like
to
look
at.
H
Of
course,
if
you
were
here
last
time
I
presented
you
know,
unemployment
rate
is
not
my
favorite
measure
of
the
economy.
It
is
often
quoted.
You
will
hear
about
this
in
your
local
newspapers
and
your
national
newspapers
all
over
the
place.
So
I
think
it's
something
that
we
do
have
to
talk
about,
but
what
I'm
trying
to
get
everybody
to
do.
This
is
kind
of
a
mission
of
mine
is
to
when
we
see
changes
in
the
unemployment
rate
start
to
ask.
H
Why
was
that
a
good
thing
or
or
a
bad
thing,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
the
unemployment
rate,
of
course,
measures
the
percentage
of
the
labor
force
that
is
searching
for
work,
okay
and
if
you're,
not
in
the
labor
force
you're,
not
in
the
unemployment
rate.
Well,
kentucky's
unemployment
rate
has
been
going
down
over
the
last
few
months
and
actually
has
been
going
down
for
a
good
reason.
You
know
over
the
last
few
months
now
it's
it's
much
lower
than
what
you
see
nationally.
H
Over
the
last
few
months
is
because
we
do
see
more
people
getting
jobs
so
on
the
first
chart
here,
what
I'm
showing
is
the
employment
population
ratio
of
the
people
that
are
in
the
area,
age,
16
and
older?
What
percentage
of
that
population
is
actually
employed?
You
can
see
we're
below
the
nations.
Of
course
you
know
we
have
been
for
quite
a
while,
but
we
have
been
seeing
that
go
up
over
time.
If
you
look
at
the
other
chart,
what
you'll
see
is
our
labor
force
participation
rate
that
has
come
up
a
little
bit.
H
You
know
very
slightly
not
to
the
point
that
we
need,
of
course,
not
to
make
not
enough
to
make
up
the
gains,
assuming
the
losses
that
we
saw
during
the
pandemic
and
certainly
not
enough
to
catch
up
to
where
the
nation
is.
But
what
we
have
been
seeing
from
the
data
over
the
last
couple
of
months
is.
H
We
are
seeing
some
people
coming
back
into
the
labor
force
in
relatively
small
amounts,
but
they
are
coming
back
into
the
labor
force
and
what
what
we
are
seeing-
that's
you
know
particularly
good
is
those
people
who
are
coming
back
into
the
labor
force
and
many
of
the
people
who've
been
searching
for.
Work
are
finding
jobs,
so
the
number
of
people
who
are
moving
into
employment
has
really
exceeded
the
number
of
people
who
have
been
coming
into
the
labor
force
and
as
a
result
of
that,
our
unemployment
rate
has
been
going
down.
H
So
in
this
particular
case,
the
unemployment
rate
going
down
was
due
to
you
know
a
good
thing.
People
are
finding
work
and
that's
not
really
surprising,
because,
as
you've
heard
from
the
in
the
other
testimonies
here
today,
you
have
a
lot
of
employers
that
are
looking
for
work
and
struggling
to
find
workers.
So
we
have
a
job
market
where,
if
you're
looking
for
work,
you
very
likely
can
find
work
very
quickly.
H
Another
measure
that
we
like
to
look
at,
of
course,
is
the
unemployment
insurance
initial
claims,
and
you
can
see
you
know
kind
of
this
history.
You
get
a
few
months
there
prior
to
the
pandemic.
You
see,
of
course,
where
it
jumped
up
and
as
we
talked
about
last
time,
this
has
been
coming
down.
You
know
very
steadily,
but
the
last
time
I
was
here
in
august.
We
were
talking
about
these
on
these
initial
claims
being
still
quite
a
bit
higher
than
what
we
were
seeing
prior
to
the
pandemic.
H
Over
the
last
few
months,
we've
seen
that
these
numbers
have
continued
to
fall
and
are
very
close
to
the
levels
that
we
were
seeing
prior
to
the
pandemic.
So
these
are
people
who
may
be
losing
their
jobs
and
therefore
are
filing
for
unemployment
insurance
claims.
So
again,
that's
a
good
indicator
of
of
of
the
economy.
You
know
that's
telling
us
that
you
know
again:
employers
are
trying
to
hold
on
to
their
workers,
they're,
not
firing
a
lot
of
workers,
not
dismissing
a
lot
of
workers.
H
Our
non-farm
employment
has
has
increased
and
you
can
see
a
particularly
large
increase
during
the
last
month
over
the
last
two
months,
employment
in
kentucky
increased
by,
I
think
about
17
700
workers,
most
of
that
occurred
in
in
august,
which
is
our
most
recent
data,
and
you
can
see
this
big
jump
there
and
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
here
in
just
a
minute
about
exactly
what
sectors
we're
seeing
those
employment
increases
in
just
to
give
you
a
sense
of
how
we're
doing
relative
to
the
nation
and
where
we
were
prior
to
the
pandemic.
H
Here,
I'm
showing
you
blue
is
kentucky
red
is,
is
the
u.s
and
what
I've
been
doing
with
these
charts
and
and
the
next
one
I'm
going
to
show.
You
is
we're
benchmarking,
this
to
january
2020.
So
you
know
two
months
prior
to
the
pandemic,
starting,
so
how
much
did
we
lose
and
how
much
of
that
have
we
we
gained,
and
you
can
see
that
over
the
last
couple
of
months,
we've
fallen
off
a
little
bit
relative
to
to
the
nation.
H
H
Put
this
a
little
bit
in
perspective
in
terms
of
job
numbers,
you'll
recall
that
when
I
was
here
in
august,
I
talked
about
the
number
of
jobs
that
we
lost
during
the
two
first
two
months:
the
pandemic
that
was
about
900,
I'm
sorry,
000
jobs,
not
total
non-farm
employment
jobs
lost
during
two
months.
We've
recovered
about
75
percent
of
those
jobs
now
and
that
continues
to
to
be
increasing
typically
every
month,
but
we're
making
good
progress
in
terms
of
employment,
but
still
down
relative
to
where
we
were
prior
to
the
pandemic.
H
I
wanted
to
put
this
in
there
and
I
won't
go
into
this
great
detail,
but
I
think
it's
useful,
for
you
understand
the
relative
size
of
all
the
different
sectors
that
we're
about
to
talk
about,
and
so
you
know
there
are
a
few
that
are
really
large
sectors
in
kentucky,
and
this
shouldn't
be
much
of
a
surprise
to
you.
For
the
most
part,
manufacturing
is
a
pretty
large
sector
for
kentucky.
It
comes
in
at
about
13
percent
of
our
our
total
employment
total
non-farm
employment.
H
Retail
trade
is
another
major
employment
sector
about
11
professional
business
services,
another
11
and
education
and
health
services.
Most
of
this
being
health
services
is
about
15
of
the
total
non-farm
employment
in
kentucky.
So
it's
helpful
to
kind
of
put
this
in
perspective.
Understand
how
what
are
your
big
sectors,
because,
as
we're
going
to
look
at
the
next
couple
of
charts,
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
kind
of
where
the
job
losses
occurred,
and
you
want
to
understand
kind
of
you
know
how
big
are
each
of
these
different
sectors.
A
H
It's
federal
state
and
local
and
local
does
include
education,
so
your
your
school
systems
are
should
be
in
those
numbers.
Thank
you
and
that's
really
where
most
of
it
is
okay.
Now
again,
I
always
apologize
for
this
chart.
I
love
this
chart
because
it
helps
me
kind
of
see
everything
all
together,
but
I
also
understand
this
is
a
little
hard
on
the
eyes.
H
If
I
can
I'm
going
to
try
to
zoom
in
on
a
couple
of
these,
where
we've
had
some
pretty
interesting
stories
so
manufacturing,
I
was
telling
you
that
you
know
we
had
some
pretty
good
job
growth
here
over
the
past
couple
of
months.
A
big
part
of
that
came
from
manufacturing,
particularly
durable
goods
manufacturing.
H
We
saw
that
jump
substantially,
it's
very
close
to
where
it
was
prior
to
the
pandemic,
not
quite
there,
but
very
close
financial
activities
is
another
sector
that
kentucky
has
done
very
well
on
over
the
past
couple
of
months.
However,
that
has
been
relatively
flat
as
we
look
at
leisure
and
hospitality.
Remember.
This
is
where
a
lot
of
the
jobs
were
lost,
leisure
and
hospitality.
H
It's
still
down
quite
a
bit
down
about
16
percent
from
where
it
was
prior
to
the
pandemic,
and
we
are
trailing
the
nation
in
some
of
it
in
this
area
in
august,
particularly,
we
saw
job
losses
in
this
sector,
and
this
is
likely,
as
as
the
delta
variant
has,
has
really
spread.
Customers
have
likely
stayed
home
and
there
have
been
less
demand
for
workers,
possibly
in
in
some
of
these
areas,
or
workers
may
be
less
likely
to
to
sign
up
for
some
of
these
jobs.
H
We
know
what
the
total
change
is,
but
it's
a
little
bit
difficult
for
us
to
say
how
much
of
that
is,
because
they
can't
find
workers
who
are
willing
to
to
work
or
because
they
may
not
be
needing
some
workers
in
some
firms,
although
we
know
anecdotally,
a
lot
of
these
businesses
are
still
looking
for
workers
and
having
hard
time
finding
those
workers,
but
overall
employment
in
this
sector
did
go
down
last
month
and
I'm
always
happy
to
to
zoom
in
on
any
particular
one
that
you're
particularly
interested
in.
H
But
I
don't
want
to
belabor
this
point
that
you
know
the
data
is
there,
you
all
can
look
at
this
and
if
you
have
questions
I'm
happy
to
to
go
into
this.
If
you.
H
Okay,
so
the
information
sector,
it's
a
little
bit
misleading
to
me
when
I
think
information,
I
think,
technology
information
technology.
This
is
really
more
like
news,
broadcasting,
publications
and
things
of
that
nature.
It
actually
is
a
relatively
small
sector
in
terms
of
employment,
but
employment
has
been
falling
and
we
really
aren't
keeping
up
with
the
nation
in
terms
of
this
particular
sector.
H
Now,
last
time
I
showed
you
counts
of
jobs.
There
are
some
additional
slides
towards
the
end
of
the
at
the
very
end
of
this
report
that
I've
tacked
on
if
you're
interested,
you're
welcome
to
look
at
those
on
your
own
and
if
you
have
questions,
I'm
happy
to
go
to
those,
but
I
don't
plan
on
on
on
jumping
to
those,
unless
you
ask
me
to
okay.
So
next
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
a
little
bit
is
because
we've
been
hearing
a
lot
about
the
the
difficulties
that
businesses
have
been
having
recruiting
workers.
H
Now
we
don't
have
really
good
data
at
the
kentucky
level
about
hires
job
openings
and
quits.
We
do
have
good
data
at
the
national
level.
We
have
some
data
at
the
kentucky
level,
but
it's
lagged
significantly
and
it
only
shows
up
at
the
non-farm
level.
Now
we've
looked
at
this
and
what
we've
kind
of
seen
is
that
what
we're
seeing
nationally
is
very
similar
to
what
we're
seeing
in
kentucky,
and
so
as
a
result
of
that,
I
feel
a
little
bit
more
comfortable
kind
of
showing
you
some
national
numbers
and
saying
hey.
Look.
H
I
can't
tell
you
exactly
what's
going
on
in
kentucky,
but
this
ought
to
give
you
a
pretty
good
signal
about
some
of
the
issues
that
we're
facing
here
in
our
state,
so
the
red
line
is
quits.
H
The
green
line
is
job,
I'm
sorry,
the
green
line
is
highest
and
the
blue
line
is
the
job
openings,
and
so
what
you're
going
to
see
is
over
the
last
few
months,
job
openings
have
increased
substantially
and
of
course,
we
all
know
this.
You
know
we're
seeing
this
as
we
you
know,
as
we
drive
through
our
towns
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
job
opening
signs.
This
is
really
confirming
that
you
know
again.
Yes,
we
are
seeing
this
hires
are
up,
but
when
we
look
at
total
non-farm,
that
is
all
sectors
we
are
not
seeing.
H
H
You
know
it
could
be
that
workers
are
unhappy
with
their
their
jobs,
but
it
can
also
indicate
that
we're
seeing
some
job
turnover
as
workers
are
seeing
this
tight
labor
market
they're,
seeing
that
they
have
an
opportunity
to
maybe
move
up
to
other
types
of
jobs
or
maybe
jobs
that
pay
more
wages.
So
a
number
of
things
could
be
contributing
to
that,
but
we
are
seeing
somewhat
higher
quit
rates.
H
H
Manufacturing
employment
in
kentucky
has
been
going
up,
but
when
we
look
nationally
at
manufacturing
we're
still
seeing
that
they
have
a
lot
of
job
openings,
particularly
relative
to
the
number
of
hires
that
they're
doing
so
it's
really
good
we're
seeing
workers
employed,
but
again
what
this
is
telling
us
is.
You
know
to
to
to
some
degree
why
that
employment
is
improving.
We
are
still
seeing
these
labor
market
issues
where
firms
are
struggling
to
fill
the
job
openings
that
they
have.
H
We
see
the
same
thing
in
terms
of
health
care
and
social
services.
One
thing
to
really
note
here
is
that
quit
rates
have
been
going
up
in
this
sector
and
we're
hearing
anecdotally
about
you
know
some
of
the
struggles
that
that
workers
and
our
health
care
system
are
facing
that
may
be
part
of
what
is
is,
is
contributing
to
that
increase
in
and
quit
rates,
but
again
also
we're
seeing
that
that
our
health
care
sector
has
a
lot
of
job
openings
relative
to
the
number
of
hires
over
the
last
few
months.
H
H
But
I
wanted
you
to
kind
of
understand
that
this
scale
is
about
to
change,
and
I
want
to
really
bring
that
to
your
attention,
because
it's
much
different
when
we
talk
about
leisure
and
hospitality,
remember
that
quit
rate
was
around
two
percent
in
the
previous
charts
for
leisure
and
hospitality.
The
quit
rate
is
around
five.
H
H
What's
particularly
interesting
for,
for
me
in
this,
is,
is
looking
at
openings
and
hires.
Now,
typically,
this
particular
sector
hires
have
been
have.
The
hiring
rate
has
been
higher
than
the
opening
rate,
and
that
may
be,
because
you
know
they
just
do
a
lot
of
hiring
relative
to
the
number
of
job
openings
that
they
post,
but
this
has
really
changed
over
the
last
few
months,
we're
seeing
that
the
number
of
job
openings
are
very
high
again
relative
to
the
number
of
hires.
So
again,
this
is
just
kind
of
confirming.
H
Tight
labor
market,
as
I
talked
about
before
tight
labor
market,
leads
to
often
leads
to
wage
increases
and
we're
seeing
that
now
this
data
actually
comes
from
the
second
quarter
of
this
year,
so
it
reflects
april
may
and
june.
But
you
can
see
that
wage
growth
has
actually
accelerated
quite
a
bit
over
the
last
quarter
and
that
wage
growth
tends
to
be
widespread
across
different
sectors.
H
We've
heard
a
lot
of
discussion
about
inflation
and
when
I
was
here
last
time
we
talked
a
lot
about
inflation
because
just
the
month
prior
to
to
me
coming
and
talking
with
you,
there
was
a
significant
increase
in
the
inflation
rate
and,
of
course,
you
know
that
raised
a
lot
of
questions
about
well,
you
know
what
what's
happening
with
inflation.
Is
this
going
to
be
permanent
temporary
and
you
know
what
we're
hearing
from
a
lot
of
economists
at
the
national
level
who
track
this
very
closely?
H
Is
that
they
think
it's
temporary
or
transitory,
that
they
think?
You
know
it's
due
to
the
supply
chain,
issues
that
we're
having
the
the
labor
force,
issues
that
we're
having,
and
these
are
things
that
are
likely
going
to
to
maybe
resolve
themselves
over
time
as
we
deal
with
the
pandemic
as
it
you
know,
goes
away
and
we
see
the
labor
market
start
to
recover
and
other
markets
adjust
to
we'll
just
remove
these
bottlenecks
that
we
we've
had
affecting
the
economy.
H
H
The
first
one
looks
at
how
the
inflation
or
how
prices
look
in
a
particular
month
compared
to
what
they
look
like
a
year
ago,
but
I
also
want
to
show
you
in
the
next
chart
how
they
have
changed
from
month
to
month
and
right
now,
I
think,
the
month
month,
change
is
maybe
a
little
bit
more
important
because
we
saw
prices
really
go
up
in
june.
Right
supply
chain
issues,
new
cars,
new
cars.
You
know
they
were
all
much
more
expensive.
H
H
Well,
what
we
see
here
is
that
we
did
see
that
large
increase
in
prices
in
june,
but
they
didn't
continue
to
increase
okay,
so
they're
still
high
and
high
relative
to
where
we
were
last
year,
but
they
didn't
get
much
higher
okay,
so
so
so
that's
somewhat
encouraging
that
we
didn't
see
it
get
much
higher.
Now
that
said,
you
know,
economists
are
looking
at
the
june
numbers
that
came
out
and,
and
then
the
higher,
not
you
know,
as
prices
have
stayed
high
they're.
Looking
at
that
to
understand.
H
Well
again,
how
long
are
these
prices
going
to
stick
around?
The
general
consensus
seems
to
be
that
they
are
still
transitory,
but
a
lot
of
the
the
estimates
of
of
inflation
have
come
up
as
a
result
of
those
june
numbers,
and
so
what
I'm
going
to
show
you
here
if
I
can
get
this
to
actually
work.
H
Okay,
the
gray
bars
reflect
what
I
showed
you
last
time.
They
are
when
the
federal
reserve
meets
each
member
of
the
federal
reserve
board
gets
to
provide
an
estimate
of
what
they
think
inflation
is
going
to
be
in
the
future,
so
the
gray
bars
are
indicating
the
number
of
people
who
thought
inflation
were
going
to
be
say
at
2.9
to
three
percent
or
three
point,
one
to
two
point:
two
percent,
and
you
can
see
most
of
them
thought
inflation
for
2021
was
going
to
be
around
3.3
to
3.4
percent.
H
Now
those
estimates
in
gray
were
made
before
the
june
numbers
came
out.
Now
the
new
june
numbers
have
come
out,
they
revised
their
estimates
and
those
are
being
shown
in
color,
and
so
what
they're
telling
you
is
yeah?
The
june
increase
in
prices
was
significant
and,
as
a
result
of
that,
they've
increased
their
forecast
for
2021..
H
H
It's
likely
to
move
to
lower
levels
higher
than
what
we've
seen
in
the
past
10
years,
but
still
you
know
more
in
line
with
expectations
or
or
the
goals
that
the
fed
has
set,
but
a
bit
higher
than
what
they
were
thinking
in
june.
So
you
know
we
see
for
both
22
23,
somewhat
higher
estimates
of
what
inflation
was
compared
to
what
I
presented
to
you
last
time.
A
C
Yeah,
I
just
like
a
little
clarification.
You
when
you
were
showing
us
the
grass.
You
said
that,
under
under
the
government
section
education
was
included
in
that
and
you
had
another
graph
that
was
education
and
health
care.
Could
you
maybe
clarify
what
the
difference
is
in
the
education?
Yes
portion
of
both
of
them
so.
H
Your
your
local
school
districts,
employees
are
included
in
local
government.
Your
your
private
or
non-government
educators
would
show
up
in
the
education
and
health
so
think
of
your
private
schools,
your
private
university
and
things
of
that
nature.
H
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
could
we
look
at
the
mining
and
logging
graph?
I
should
have
asked
how
you
were
still
on
no.
B
H
You
know
it's
likely
just
due
to
the
the
type
of
mining
that
we
do,
you
know
has
probably
been
hit
a
bit
harder.
You
know,
we've
been
seeing
the
number
of
employees
in
the
mining
sector
go
down
in
kentucky
for
a
long
time,
and
I
think
this
just
exasperated
it.
You
know
certainly
we've
seen
some
other
issues
in
terms
of
a
shift
to
other
types
of
fuels.
H
Away
from
coal
has
been
affecting
it,
and
you
know
we
just
haven't
seen
it
recover
as
much
relative
to
the
rest
of
the
nation
now
the
rest
of
the
nation
that
may
be
other
types
of
mining.
Other
types
of
minerals
you
know,
certainly
you
know,
gravel
minerals,
stones,
you
know
other
types
of
fuels.
H
A
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
appreciate
the
information
this
month
and
the
previous
time.
I
learned
a
lot
about
what's
going
on
in
the
economy
right
now,
but
I
have
a
question
about
the
employee
participation
rate
and
people.
My
age
are
starting
to
retire
and
what
does
retirement
statistics
have
to
do
with
that?
Do
we
measure
the
participation
rate
based
upon
population
8,
age
18
to
65
or
18
to
everybody
over.
H
18.,
it
can
be
done
a
number
of
different
ways:
the
official
statistics
look
at
the
population
16
and
above
so
there's
no
cap.
This
is
where
I
discussed
my
father
quite
a
bit
right,
and
so
you
know,
if
you
have
moved
into
retirement,
you
have
left
the
labor
force.
E
So
so,
as
us
baby
boomers
start
exiting
the
labor
force
that
that
may
continue
to
show
a
decline
in
the
participation.
H
Rate,
correct,
that's
correct!
Now
you
know
it's.
It's
also
useful
for
us
to
gauge
ourselves
relative
to
the
rest
of
the
nation
to
see
whether
or
not
you
know
that
is
hurting
us
more
or
you
know.
Possibly,
you
know
folks
may
work
longer
in
kentucky
relative
to
the
rest
of
the
nation.
So
you
know
differences
could
potentially
help
us.
The
other
thing
that
we
discussed
last
time
was
what
we
refer
to
as
prime
age
workers,
which
are
16,
I'm
sorry
25
to
55.
H
So
it
deals
with
students
who
are
you
know,
investing,
and
then
it
deals
with
the
retirees
by
just
focusing
on
this
particular
age
group,
and
I
believe,
we've
sent
a
copy
of
some
numbers
to
staff
in
the
past
generally,
it
shows
kind
of
the
same
types
of
patterns,
but
you
know,
kentucky
is
lower
in
terms
of
labor
force
participation,
even
among
those
prime
workers
than
what
we
see
in
nationally.
A
H
Yeah
so
so
you've
got
different
measures
that
you
can
use
to
to
to
account
for
that.
So
again,
the
official
measure
is
16
and
above,
and
that
number
is
going
to
change
with
the
grain
of
the
population,
the
20,
the
25
to
55.
That
will
not
be
an
issue
unless
we
start
retiring
in
our
50s
early
50s,
which
is
a
great
goal
by
the
way.
But
yes
it
is.
I
missed
it.
H
E
Chairman,
dr
clark,
I
appreciate
you
being
back
today
in
our
previous
two
presentations.
We
heard
a
lot
about
supply
chain
issues,
driving
up
cost.
Obviously,
that's
a
key
factor
in
inflation,
and
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
put
your
crystal
ball
on
use
your
crystal
ball
magic,
8
ball,
whichever
one
you
use
here.
E
H
I
do
not
know,
I
mean
it's
a
great
question,
you
know
it's
one.
We
need
to
be
thinking
about,
but
at
this
point
I
have
no
idea
when
they
would
start
to
to
raise
rates.
They
have
been
starting
to
signal
that
they're
moving
that
direction,
but
I
can't
say.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation
and
watch
out.
We
may
have
you
back
in
the
semi-near
future
if
you,
if
you're
amenable
good.
Thank
you
thank
you
and
then
I
would
remind
members
in
the
public
the
consensus
forecast
group
cfg
that
sets
our
revenue
projections
of
where
we
budget
to
we'll
be
meeting
on
october,
the
14th
for
the
second
time
this
year.
For
their
preliminary
estimates,
they
did
their
planning
back
in
august.
I
believe
it
was
they'll.