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A
Welcome
to
meeting
number
four
in
the
of
the
interim
joint
committee
on
Judiciary
glad
to
have
everyone
here:
we've
got
a
packed
agenda
and
I
do
want
to
jump
in
and
get
started.
B
A
I
I
call
the
role
and
and
approve
the
minutes.
I
do
want
to
take
a
moment
here
and
ask
you
all
to
just
stop
and
pause
for
a
moment.
You
know
we
all
have
different
paths
to
this
job
that
we
hold
and
we
have
different
people
to
think
for
how
we
got
Where
We
Are.
A
One
of
the
people
that
I
have
to
thank
for
the
job
that
I
hold
is
that
man
named
Sheldon
ball
and
Sheldon.
Ball
is
a
state
representative,
former
state
representative
for
Logan
County,
a
lifelong
citizen
of
Logan
County
born
in
Lewisburg,
serving
the
Air
Force
is
about
the
mildest,
mannered
man
I've
ever
met
and
I
got
to
know
him
and
I
ran
for
this
job
11
years
ago,
and
I
was
intimidated
by
Logan
County.
A
Sweet
okay,
but
in
Logan
County
Todd,
County,
I
I,
was
out
of
my
death
and
didn't
know
any
anybody
and
Sheldon
took
care
of
that
introduced
me
to
folks
spent
time
taking
me
around.
He
didn't
know
me
from
Adam
until
I
showed
up
at
a
County
party
meeting
one
night
chairman
Petrie,
and
got
to
know
that
group
of
dedicated
Republicans
and
then
because
of
his
work
and
his
time
investing
in
me,
and
he
certainly
didn't
owe
me
a
darn
thing:
I
did
better
in
Logan
County
than
I
did
in
Christian
County.
A
The
people
of
Logan
County
are
the
reason.
I
have
this
job
and
Sheldon
ball
passed
away
a
couple
days
ago.
He
was
a
good
man
and
I
wanted
to
recognize
his
life
and
his
service
both
to
the
people
of
Logan,
County,
the
people
of
Kentucky
and
to
all
of
us.
He
was
here
before
we
were
here
and
did
great
work
for
the
people
of
Todd
and
Logan
County,
and
if
it's
all
right,
I'd
like
to
observe
a
moment
of
silence
for
the
late
representative,
ball.
A
Thank
you
very
much
I
believe
his
services
are
happening
this
afternoon
at
one
o'clock,
Central
Time
and-
and
it
pains
me
that
as
much
as
I
I
appreciate
and
I'm
thankful
for
this
chairmanship,
it
pains
me
that
I'm
here
and
not
able
to
be
there
with
Miss
ball
and
his
family.
But
if,
if
you're
the
praying
type
I'd
ask
you
to
pray
for
the
ball
family
and
and
the
people
of
Logan
County
that
are
impacted
by
his
loss.
So
with
that,
thank
you
all
for
that
Mr
secretary.
Would
you
please
call
the
roll.
E
G
A
Thank
you
seeing
that
we
have
a
quorum.
We're
authorized
to
approve
our
minutes.
I'll
entertain
a
motion
to
do
that
at
this
time,
motion
from
Senator
wheeler,
a
second
from
chairman,
Peter
or
Senator
storm
pick
one
all
those
in
favor
of
approving
the
minutes
of
our
August
3rd
meeting.
Please
vote
by
saying
aye
aye.
Those
opposed
minutes
are
approved.
I
also
want
to
recognize
Joe
Ross,
our
County
attorney
Commonwealth's
Attorney
County
attorney
in
Logan,
County
and
yeah
representative
representative
Decker.
E
I
would
like
for
you
all
to
welcome
today,
a
young
lady
from
Shelby
County
she's,
a
senior
she's
shadowing
me
today,
Haley
McGill,
if
you
all,
will
welcome
her
to
the
committee.
Thank
you.
Haley.
A
You
know
the
work
of
the
Judiciary
Committee
sometimes
gets
tagged
for
for
being
for
focusing
a
lot
of
time
on
criminals
and
defendants,
and
what
can
we
do
for
the
people
that
break
the
law
and
I'm
thankful
that
we
spend
some
time
on
that?
There's
important
policy
work
there
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we
can
do
to
make
sure
that
the
people
who
have
broken
the
law,
change
their
behavior
and
stop
breaking
the
law,
and
that's
certainly
good
for
them.
A
Just
like
everyone
else's
I'm
honored,
to
say
that
I've,
just
in
the
last
couple
of
months,
have
internet
appearances,
Council
of
record
for
a
couple
of
victims
in
cases
in
my
neck
of
the
woods
as
Council
permitted
Now
by
our
constitution
and
I
realize
even
more
so
I
used
to
be
a
prosecutor,
as
many
of
you
know
and
being
in
a
different
role
in
those
cases,
I
realize
even
more
so.
A
The
value
of
making
sure
victims
know
what
in
the
world
is
going
on
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
know
what
in
the
world's
going
on
with
the
victims
that
we
have
and
the
cases
that
come
through
our
system.
And
so
today
we're
going
to
spend
time
talking
about
Crime
Victims
in
a
handful
of
different
ways
and
at
the
top
of
the
agenda.
We're
going
to
go
mostly
in
order,
if
not
completely.
A
In
order
today,
I
want
to
invite
our
friends
with
zero
V
up
to
the
table
and
at
all
of
you
in
this
group,
Meg
Angela
and
Christy
Burch,
with
the
ion
Center
for
violence
prevention,
I,
don't
know
if
you
all
wanted
to
come
up
together
and
appears
that
you
do
I
I,
welcome
you
all
to
give
us
an
update
on
domestic
violence
policy
and
the
work
that
you
do
here
in
Kentucky
and
before
you
start,
let
me
just
say
thank
you.
K
K
So
what
do
we
do?
Well,
we
advocate
for
the
policies
and
laws
that
protect
the
safety
and
well-being
of
survivors.
We
educate.
We
educate
the
field,
Community
Partners
and
the
public
on
understanding
the
what
domestic
violence
is
and
also
how
to
prevent
it.
We
have
two
signature
programs.
One
of
them
is
our
30
hour,
training
that
we
do
for
Advocates
across
all
of
our
programs
and
the
other
is
the
batteries
Intervention
Program,
which
we
have
renamed,
because
we
obviously
love
to
rename
everything.
We've
called
that
now,
our
education,
accountability
and
change
program.
K
We
empower
we
have
a
rapid
re-housing
program
that
provides
rental
assistance
and
Case
Management,
Services
and
Financial
Funding
to
help
people
move
into
self-sufficiency.
We've
even
developed
84
units
of
tax,
credit,
housing
and
hope
to
add
some
more
very
shortly
and
through
our
network
of
15
Regional,
Domestic,
Violence,
Shelter
programs,
we
provide
emergency
shelter
and
Supportive
Services
across
all
120
counties.
K
K
K
So
we
are
reimagining
what
our
state
and
our
world
can
look
like
by
increasing
our
efforts
on
abolishing
the
social
conditions
and
changing
the
systems
that
let
domestic
violence
exist,
while
creating
opportunities
for
kentuckians
to
live
and
thrive
in
safety
and
peace,
and
we
are
calling
for
Unity
to
end
domestic
violence.
We
need
to
engage
Our,
Community,
Partners,
our
elected
officials
and
the
public,
and
it's
to
say
it
is
not.
Okay,
that
45
percent
of
Kentucky
women
have
experienced
context
sexual
violence,
physical
violence
and
or
stalking
in
their
lifetimes
by
an
intimate
partner.
K
K
The
backbone
of
zero
V's
infrastructure
is,
of
course,
our
member
programs,
and
there
is
one
designated
program
in
each
of
the
area:
development
districts.
They
provide
State
mandated
services
and
they
do
it
24
hours
a
day
every
day
of
the
year,
including
through
covid,
never
close
their
doors,
and
we
put
this
slide
in
here
to
give
you
an
idea
of
the
impact
that
our
programs
have
been
helped
have
been.
Having
on
the
programs.
Excuse
me
on
the
survivors
that
have
reached
out
to
us
for
help.
K
So,
if
you
look
at
just
over
the
last
year,
we
have
an
outcome
performance
that
we've
been
measuring
and
the
first
one
says
that
93
percent
of
survivors
have
reported
knowing
more
ways
to
plan
for
their
safety
and
the
other
one
is.
95
percent
have
reported
being
more
aware
of
community
resources
available
to
them.
K
That's
pretty
impressive,
but
then
we're
going
to
look
back
over
the
last
five
years.
We
wanted
to
give
you
a
sense
of
the
volume
of
work
that
our
programs
do
so.
Over
the
past
five
years,
we
have
sheltered
more
than
ten
thousand
women,
nearly
300
men
and
nearly
6
000
children,
and
then
on
a
non-residential
basis.
We
have
provided
services
to
more
than
64
000
women
more
than
fifty
three
hundred
men
and
more
than
three
thousand
children.
K
So
how
do
we
report
intimate
partner
violence?
Zero
V
collects
a
variety
of
data
points
from
all
of
our
15
member
programs,
and
we
report
it
to
the
Cabinet
for
Health
and
Family
Services
every
single
year.
So
we
know
who
we're
serving,
and
we
know
what
services
they're
getting
within
our
network,
but
we
also
know
that
there
are
other
survivors
out
there
that
have
not
reached
out
to
us
yet
for
help
further
intimate
partner.
K
So
this
is
why
0v
supported
Senator
westerfield's
vision
for
a
comprehensive
bill
that
would
set
the
stage
for
finding
answers
to
questions
such
as.
Why
aren't
survivors
reporting,
domestic
violence?
What
are
our
Statewide
systems
missing
and
how
many
lives
have
been
lost
due
to
domestic
violence,
including
corollary
victims?
K
F
Thank
you
and
good
morning
to
all
the
committee
members
and
our
wonderful
chairs.
Thank
you
very
much
for
having
us
I
want
to
First
qualify
this
overview
of
our
brand
new
report
that
CJ
Sac
has
produced
by
saying
that
we
could
use
this
entire
Committee
hearing
and
more
to
go
through
the
report,
but
instead
we
are
going
to
highlight
just
a
few
of
the
critical
stats.
F
F
F
F
I'm
not
going
to
go
over
each
of
these
numbers
that
you
see
on
this
slide,
but
I
would
like
to
point
out
the
reason
why
you're
seeing
two
figures
for
homicides,
the
first
one
27
includes
all
the
homicides
reported
in
association
with
the
jc3s
and
the
second
one.
21
were
those
homicides
that
had
the
specific
domestic
violence
uor
code
associated
with
them.
F
F
This
report
doesn't
give
us
context
or
causation
and
keep
in
mind.
This
is
only
the
first
year
of
Baseline.
Data
KSP
has
also
provided
data
on
service
of
emergency
protective
orders
by
law
enforcement
agencies
all
across
the
state,
and
this
is
pulled
from
the
law.
Information
Network
of
Kentucky
system,
approximately
82
percent
of
the
almost
20
000
ex
parte
orders
that
were
received
were
successfully
served.
F
F
F
There's
not
perfect
alignment
between
these
data
sets
and
we
will
be
talking
to
KSP
and
AOC
about
the
reasons
for
that.
Keep
in
mind
that
neither
of
these
data
collection
systems
were
specifically
designed
for
academic
research.
They
were
designed
so
that
law
enforcement
could
do
their
job
and
the
clerks
can
do
their
job.
F
F
F
H
Thank
you
so
much
I'm
thrilled
to
be
here.
Statistics
are
critical
to
us
in
understanding
the
scope
of
the
issue
and
also
informs
what
work
we
need
to
do.
But
sometimes,
when
we
hear
stats,
we
can
hear
these
numbers
and
feel
a
bit
removed.
I'm
thinking
you
know,
I
really
don't
know
anybody
that
this
is
impacting
so
I'm
incredibly
grateful
to
be
here
to
take
a
few
minutes
to
talk
about
the
reality.
Survivors
are
facing
again.
My
name
is
Christy
Burch
I'm,
the
CEO
of
the
ion
Center
for
violence
prevention.
H
It
used
to
be
women's
crisis
center.
We
too
have
been
on
an
evolution
and
everything
we
do
at
ion.
Center
ends
in
ion
prevention,
intervention,
collaboration,
transformation,
we're
the
Dual
designated
domestic
violence,
shelter
and
Rape
Crisis
Center
serving
13
counties
and
two
ad
districts,
Buffalo
Trace
in
Northern
Kentucky,
every
single
day,
15
shelter
programs
work
tirelessly
to
ensure
the
safety
of
survivors.
If
you
walk
through
our
doors,
you
you
will
find
a
place
where
people
can
feel
safe
and
cared
for
a
place
to
heal
from
the
impact
of
trauma
and
violence.
H
H
Not
only
are
we
seeing
gratuitous
violence,
survivors
are
also
staying
longer
in
our
shelters
ion
Center's
average
stay
has
increased
over
the
past
four
years
from
27
nights
to
46
nights.
In
fact,
we've
had
survivors
stay
with
us
for
over
a
year,
and
this
is
because
of
affordable
housing.
A
Survivor
shared
her
thoughts
regarding
the
housing
crisis.
She
had
a
Housing
Voucher,
but
she
couldn't
get
anyone
to
accept
that
voucher.
H
She
said
I
feel
like
I,
have
a
winning
lottery
ticket,
that
no
one
will
cash
lack
of
housing
longer
stays
mean
victims
not
in
shelter,
cannot
get
shelter
because
beds
are
full.
Many
of
our
programs
have
increased
capacity
even
during
covid
ion,
took
a
conference
room
and
made
it
into
two
additional
bedrooms
and
a
bathroom,
including
nine
additional
beds,
even
with
those
additions.
This
unmet
need
for
shelter
is
so
great.
H
Survivors
of
violence
are
up
against
formidable
odds,
including
lack
of
affordable
child
care
and
flexible
child
care
for
our
second
and
third
shift
workers,
or
they
can't
take
over
time
because
they
don't
have
child
care
lack
of
Transportation,
which
limits
employment
and
housing
options
and
decreases
economic
stability
in
a
rural
County.
Recently
we
helped
a
mom
and
three
kids
get
to
safety.
She
didn't
have
a
car,
so
she
had
to
run
to
a
public
place.
Our
Advocates
drove
there
got
her
in
the
van
while
her
perpetrator
circled
the
building.
H
They
were
able
to
hide
this
person
in
her
kids
and
get
them
safely
to
shelter.
If
a
Survivor
does
have
a
have
a
car.
Unfortunately,
a
lot
of
times
it's
damaged,
we
had
a
Survivor
walk
out
after
her
shift
at
work
and
found
her
brake
lines
cut
and
sugar
in
her
gas
tank
and,
unfortunately,
public
transportation
is
often
not
the
answer
in
urban
areas
we're
seeing
Limited
hours
or
limited
routes
and
in
our
rural
communities
it
is
non-existent.
H
There
is
no
Uber
to
call
our
communities
continue,
also
to
need
more
mental
health
and
substance
use
disorder
services
for
survivors
of
violence.
This
translates
into
long
wait,
lists
or
possibly
no
places
to
get
treatment.
The
majority
of
our
programs
don't
have
the
resources
to
be
able
to
hire
in-house
therapists
and
if
they
do,
they
have
long
wait.
Lists
survivors
need
employment
that
can
meet
the
needs
of
their
families.
H
programs
have
seen
a
54
percent
decrease
in
Voca
funding
since
2020,
which
has
truly
been
devastating
to
our
programs
resulting
in
programmatic,
Cuts,
Advocate
layoffs,
staff
leading
leaving
for
better
more
secure
jobs
and
the
staff
we
do
have
are
overwhelmed
they're,
taking
on
more
and
more
jobs
to
try
to
fill
the
gap.
H
Listen
we
sit
in
the
hard
every
day,
but
truly,
if
you
know
me,
you
know
we
sit
in
the
Hope
too,
and
that's
where
prevention
comes
in
I
know.
No
one
in
this
room
is
okay,
with
violence
happening
with
folks.
Getting
hurt
and
I
want
to
leave
you
with
a
little
dose
of
Hope
zero
V
and
shelter
programs
engage
in
prevention.
They
do
this
through
increasing
protective
factors
like
the
things
I
just
talked
about
the
accessing
resources.
H
They
engage
in
secondary
Prevention
Services
that
stop
emergency
situations
from
continuing
or
escalating
and
tertiary
prevention,
which
is
the
ongoing
work
to
help
survivors
address,
short-term
and
long-term
consequences
and
the
effects
of
trauma.
It's
critical
that
we
work
to
keep
violence
from
happening
in
the
first
place.
I'm
I
was
so
honored
to
speak
of
the
joint
health
services
committee
and
talk
about
prevention
and
ion
Center.
We
have
the
largest
prevention
team
in
the
state
and
we
implement
the
research
proven
strategy.
H
Kentucky
expanding
these
efforts
to
include
all
shelter
programs
and
continued
support
of
all
Rape
Crisis
centers
will
truly
save
lives
in
Kentucky
and
measurably.
Reduce
violence
survivors
need
what
all
kentuckians
need:
safety,
housing,
income,
safe
communities,
Access
to
Health,
Care
Quality,
child
care
and
education.
I
am
filled
with
hope,
because
shelter
programs
know
what
to
do
and
how
to
do
it,
and
it's
working
and
I
know
that,
together
with
your
continued
support,
it
is
possible
to
help
more
survivors
while
simultaneously
creating
safer
communities.
Thank
you.
So
very
much
appreciate
appreciation
ends
in
iom.
H
K
Thank
you
Christy.
So
what
do
we
need
going
forward
after
extensive
surveying
of
our
data
and
talking
to
our
member
programs?
We
found
four
main
categories
of
need
that
we
needed
some
support
for
and
although
we
know
this
is
not
a
budget
hearing,
this
topic
is
really
critical
to
us
and
we
need
to
take
the
opportunity
to
share
what
survivors
need
and
we
look
forward
to
working
with
all
of
you
in
the
upcoming
session
as
budget
decisions
are
made
in
the
next
biennium.
K
So
we've
got
four
needs
here.
The
first
one
is
the
first
and
foremost
is
our
living
wages
and
competitive
benefits,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
three
and
a
half
million
dollars
that
we
received
from
the
direct
service
General
funding,
did
a
great
amount
of
help,
but
it
didn't
close
the
gap
completely.
We
still
have
some
of
the
lowest
paid
Advocates
that
are
not
even
getting
enough
money
to
be
able
to
afford
to
live
in
a
two-bedroom
home
or
apartment.
K
K
K
A
Thank
you
so
much
ladies
I
appreciate
it.
I
do
have
a
couple
questions
and
then
we'll
take
questions
from
the
other
members.
You
mentioned
on
a
couple
different,
slides,
1258,
unmet,
shelter
requests
are
those
folks
not
being
housed
like
not
even
in
a
hotel
room
somewhere
that
you
just
you're
maxed
out
on
either
budget
or
room.
K
For
that,
we
we
have
a
measurement
that
we
use
for
our
federal
funders
to
Define.
What
unmet
needs
are
for
shelter,
and
it
is
the
number
of
requests
for
shelter
due
to
program,
shelter,
safe
homes
or
sponsored
hotel
rooms
being
at
capacity.
So
once
we
have
a
hotel
room
that
we
may
have
a
relationship
with
that,
the
program
is
paying
for
when
that's
exhausted.
The
next
thing
we'll
do
is
we'll
go
to
our
local
program.
It
may
be
in
the
next
area,
development
district
and
say:
do
you
have
room
if
that
doesn't
work,
so.
H
A
The
also
again,
on
the
slide,
several
slides
back
in
the
on
the
inaugural
report,
the
time
of
service
for
the
IPO
it
mentioned.
There
was
a
footnote
there,
a
little
asterisk
that
mentioned
it
doesn't
include,
or
it
doesn't
you're
not
unsure
if
it
includes
orders
that
were
never
served.
Is
that
not
a
question
that
we
can
get
an
answer
to
or
something
that
we
can
ask
AOC
to
make
a
change
to
or
something
so
that
we
can
identify
that.
D
A
A
Last
question:
you
also
mentioned
that
I'm
going
to
ask
for
your
specific
recommendation
on
this,
even
though
it's
in
partnership
with
AOC
or
the
state
police,
but
you
gave
the
the
instance
of
some
ancillary
data-
that's
not
included
in
the
report.
Instances
where
you
mentioned
Law
Enforcement
Officers.
There
were
three
that
were
shot
in
serving
a
protective
order.
I
forget
the
other
example
that
you
gave,
but
what's
a
proposed
solution
for
capturing
that
data.
F
That's
a
great
question:
we
are
going
to
continue
to
work
with
CJ
sac
and
the
other
entities
throughout
the
coming
year,
trying
to
prepare
for
the
second
annual
report
and
trying
to
determine
if
there
are
other
ways
to
capture
those
that
data
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I.
Don't
know
that
KSP
has
any
way
to
flag
a
case
like
that,
because
it
would
not
be
given
the.
C
F
Designator
for
the
uor,
and
so
it
may
just
be
something
that
we'll
have
to
put
our
thinking
caps
on
and
you
know
for
them
to
figure
out
some
way
to
you
know:
flag
cases
like
that
and
train
their
officers
to
do
that.
E
Thank
you
all
for
being
here
today.
Thank
you,
much
Mr
chairman
for
allowing
me
time.
I
operate
a
homeless
shelter
in
Shelbyville,
and
we
appreciate
ural's
help.
You
provide
classes
for
our
women
on
domestic
abuse.
You
refer
women
to
us
and
I've
got
a
question.
I
just
appreciate
everything
you
do.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all,
but
you
used
to
send
money
when
you
referred
people-
and
you
don't
do
that
anymore.
Are
you
out
of
just
out
of
resources
when
you
refer
women
to
shelters,
to
send
the
funding?
Also.
H
E
L
E
I
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you
all
for
presenting
today.
This
is
some
very,
very
important
information.
I
had
a
specific
question,
initially
I
think
when
you
were
talking
about.
I
Why
do
we
change
our
name
and
you
have
a
slide
about
the
strength
of
the
regional
Domestic,
Violence
Shelter
programs
I.
Believe
one
of
you
mentioned
that
there
was
an
increase
in
interventions
with
children.
I
wonder
if
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
in
terms
of
a
percent
increase
and
also,
if
you're,
noticing
specific
areas
where
there
are
more
interventions
with
children
or
is
it
across
the
board.
K
I
can
give
you
the
exact
number
here
in
just
a
second
I.
Don't
want
to
misquote
I
believe
it
was
869
for
the
Crisis
Intervention.
K
Yes,
I
actually
got
that
right
and
302
for
the
victim
services,
so
that
the
percentage
sounds
very
high,
but
those
numbers
are
actually
pretty
high
in
a
year
and
we,
the
the
second
part
of
your
question,
is
we
really
don't
know
why
this
is
happening?
Obviously,
in
our
work,
things
ebb
and
flow
for
many
different
reasons.
Disasters
and
covet
is
one
thing,
the
others
you
know
it
could
be.
It
could
be
the
Super
Bowl.
K
It
could
be
any
kind
of
event,
a
media
event
we'll
get
Ebbs
and
flows
and
what
happens
in
our
programming
and
we're
always
trying
to
find
out.
Why
so
right
now,
zero
V
has
three
research
projects
going
on.
Two
of
them
are
working
with
covid
and
health
care
and
trying
to
find
out
about
domestic
violence
services
and
how
they
relate
and
I
believe
that
this
statistic
about
the
children
is
going
to
be
big
enough
for
us
to
think
about
doing
that
in
the
next
round
of
research
that
we're
doing.
M
Thank
you
so
much
chairman
and
thank
you
all
for
this
presentation.
My
entire
career
as
a
social
worker
and
lawyer
has
focused
around
families
experiencing
violence.
This
is
truly
close
to
my
heart
and
I'm
grateful
for
your
presentation.
Today,
I
was
looking
at
the
Kentucky
State
Police
data
and
the
stalking
and
sexual
offenses
numbers
really
jumped
off
the
page
to
me,
because
at
the
risk
of
using
a
little
bit
of
rhetoric,
I
think
I've
talked
to
18
stalking
victims
this
year
and
I'm
sure
I
didn't
talk
to
everyone
in
the
state.
M
Should
we
make
make
proposals
to
KSP
about
how
they
can
track
those
numbers,
or
do
you
think
that
perhaps
stalking
is
an
underreported
crime
and
that
we
need
to
do
more
to
make
sure
that
they're
aware
of
the
number
of
victims
of
stalking
in
Kentucky?
Thank
you.
F
Casting
my
memory
back
to
the
days
when
I
was
an
assistant
Commonwealth
Attorney
long
long
ago,
stalking
cases
are
difficult
to
put
together,
they're
difficult
to
bring
to
court
and
they're
difficult
to
get
a
conviction
and
I
think
they
take
a
long
time.
It
takes
time
to
build
up
those
cases,
so
I
do
think
that
stalking
is
sort
of
seen
as
a
problem
child
crime
as
it
were,
and
it
takes
sometimes
a
lot
of
persistence
on
the
part
of
the
victim.
F
You
know
I,
think
that,
like
when
you
look
at
the
numbers
for
strangulation
on
this
report,
they're
pretty
high
and
that
strangulation
law
is
relatively
new
and
there
was
a
lot
of
training
given
to
police
officers
across
the
state,
so
they're
very
aware
of
that
charge
and
and
when
they
should
charge
it
and
I
think
they
were
very
excited
to
have
that.
F
You
know
tool
in
their
toolbox
for
situations
and
so
I
think
over
the
years
there's
been
efforts
to
raise
awareness
about
stalking
you
know
and
that
it
is
an
actual
crime
and
I
think
that
that
just
sometimes
you
know
it
just
doesn't
go
far
enough.
F
Again,
I
I
do
think
that
there
may
be
victims
who
don't
recognize
the
sexual
violence
as
being
sexual
violence,
maybe
they're
more
accepting
that
that's
just
a
normal
part
of
a
relationship
and
if
the
police
officers
aren't
asking
the
right
questions
and
getting
the
answers,
then
yeah
I
think
that
can
be
under
very
underreported
as
well.
Sexual.
H
Violence
is
one
of
the
most
underreported
and
what
we
see
in
shelter.
If
somebody
comes
in
and
they're
experiencing
intimate
partner
violence,
it
will
take
them
a
very
long
time
to
disclose
sexual
violence.
It
is
just
a
longer
journey
and
so
I
think
that
that
is
the
I
think.
That's
a
big
reason
that
Under
reporting
and
not
having
to
feel
safe
enough
to
finally
disclose
this
very
intimate
detail
of
their
life.
Yes,.
M
Absolutely
thank
you
both
for
those
thoughtful
answers.
May
ask
one
follow-up.
Thank
you
thinking
about
the
The
Bravery.
It
requires
not
only
to
file
for
protective
order,
but
then
to
pursue
criminal
charges.
Do
you
think
that
the
typical
response,
where
we
see
perpetrators
released
on
their
own
recognizance
within
24
hours,
which
is
what
I
I
encounter
frequently
do
you
think
that
those
kinds
of.
M
F
I'll,
take
I'll,
take
a
whack
at
that
one.
Every
survivor's
journey
is
different
and
some
survivors
do
feel
safe
reaching
out
to
the
systems
the
court
system
law
enforcement.
They
are
happy
with
the
response
that
they
get
and
you
know
feel
that,
like
that,
has
increased
their
safety
and
other
survivors.
F
You
know
in
their
view
they
have
a
bad
experience.
They
didn't
get
the
reaction
or
the
results
that
they
would
have
liked,
or
that
would
make
them
feel
safe
and
so
I
think
it
goes
without
saying
we
can
always
do
a
better
job
and
I.
F
Would
you
know
think
that
looking
at
pre-trial
release
of
those
individuals,
who've
been
charged
with
the
domestic
violence,
offense
has
been
a
part
of
the
conversation
when
there
have
been
bills
to
you
know,
initiate
some
sorts
of
pre-trial
release
reform
in
Kentucky,
so
that
people
aren't
sitting
in
jail
pre-trial
just
simply
because
they
can't
afford
to
post
a
bond.
So
we
always
bring
that
voice
of
the
survivors
to
the
table.
F
You
know
to
make
sure
that
that
statute,
that
we
have
that's
specifically
directs
courts
to
do
what
they
can
to
make
sure
that
that
Survivor
of
that
crime
is
kept
safe.
If
that
individual
is
going
to
be
released,
pre-trial
that
that
statute
is,
you
know,
kept
front
and
center
when
we're
talking
about
this
specific
population
of
people
who
are
charged
with
this
type
of
crime,.
N
Thank
you
Mr
chairman.
Well,
thank
you
all
for
what
you
do.
These
numbers
are
important
for
us
to
have.
Your
work
is
not
only
important
in
keeping
the
women
safe,
who
have
been
victims
and
the
men,
but,
most
importantly,
perhaps
the
children
and
their
long-term
effects.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
for
that.
It's
my
understanding
that
some
of
these
perpetrators
and
a
number
of
these
perpetrators
have
done
this
numerous
times
and
perhaps
have
numerous
victims.
So
my
question
is:
are
we
harsh
enough
on
the
perpetrator.
F
Well,
representative,
niemus
I'm
sure
that
you're
aware
that
there's
a
statute
that
allows
for
domestic
violence
assault
force
to
be
charged
as
a
felony
when
it's
a
third
offense
within
five
years,
even
if
it's
a
different
victim,
but
as
long
as
it's
a
domestic
violence
assault.
So
we
do
have
that.
F
My
casual
looking
at
any
sort
of
numbers
in
that
regard
is
that
that's
a
very
underutilized
charge.
So
that's
one
thing
that
prosecutors
could
look
at
and
the
police,
you
know
typically
I-
think
no
one's
going
to
be
looking
at
someone's
criminal
record
until
it
gets
to
the
prosecutor's
office.
So
I
think
that
that
would
you
know,
be
one
Avenue
to
increase
accountability
for
someone
who
keeps
doing
the
same
thing.
F
I
know
that
judges
in
protective
order
cases
are
allowed
to
look
at
the
criminal
record
and
the
protective
order
history
of
an
individual,
and
hopefully
our
judges
are,
you
know,
availing
themselves
of
that
opportunity
when
they're
making
a
decision
on
protective
orders
and
I
do
know
that
there
have
been
propounded
over
the
years,
laws
to
increase
penalties
for
people
who
have
repeated
convictions
for
violation
of
a
protective
order.
F
So
that's
always
a
misdemeanor
in
Kentucky,
no
matter
how
many
times
you're
convicted
of
it,
and
so
that's
something
again
that
you
know
the
legislature
has
looked
at
from
time
to
time.
Those
I
think
representative
hevrin
might
have
been
the
last
person
to
file
that
sort
of
a
bill,
and
we
do
need
to
have
accountability
for
Behavior.
That's
absolutely
true!
That's
why
zero
V
runs
what
we
now
call
our
education,
accountability
and
change
program,
which
used
to
be
our
bip
program.
F
At
the
same
time,
we
also
recognize
that,
as
the
general
assembly
has
been
trying
to
Grapple
with,
there
are
disproportional.
You
know
problems
with
our.
You
know
incarceration
and
justice
system
Etc.
So
we
need
to
find
that
balance
to
make
sure
that
if
you
know
we
are
going
to
exact
any
sort
of
harsher
penalty
that
it's
across
the
board
for
all
abusers
and
isn't
striking
hardest
at
one
particular
population.
Thank.
N
A
In
our
last
questioner
is
representative
Dietz
and
I
want
to
give
a
special
thanks
to
her
I
can't
take
credit
for
Senate
Bill
271
Linda
Blackford.
It's
the
reason
that
that
bill
was
even
introduced
at
all.
It
was
her
suggestion
coming
from
Advocates
you
all
and
the
folks
that
you
work
with
every
day
raising
that
issue
which
prompted
the
bill,
and
then
representative
Dietz
worked
with
the
Justice
cabinet
and
others
to
make
some
adjustments
to
it.
To
make
this
first
report
and
subsequent
reports
better
and
so
representative.
O
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
much
like
representative
Burke
I
have
spent
my
whole
career
representing
families
and
family
law.
I
have
spent
since
2019
working
with
a
particular
case
in
Northern
Kentucky,
and
my
question
is
about
education
of
our
judges,
because
when
I
was
talking
to
Christy
before
this
started,
there's
a
lot
that
leads
up
to
before
the
act
of
violence
occurs.
It's
the
control,
it's
the
siloing
of
relationships,
the
control
over
the
money.
O
We
had
the
resources
to
hire
experts
that
could
teach
our
judge
what
was
occurring.
So
when
we
talk
about
coercive
control
and
those
things
he
was
able
to
understand
it.
What
are,
what
can
we
do
to
educate
our
family
court
judges
on
what
leads
up
to
it
that
that
the
end
result
is
the
violence,
but
there's
things
that
are
leading
up
to
it,
that
they
will
see
in
their
courtroom
and
until
you
can
tie
it
all
up
together
in
a
bow
for
them
and
present
it
and
say
here
it:
is
they
don't
see
it?
H
Think
this
is
a
perfect
way
that
we
can
utilize
our
local
programs
they're
in
every
single
ad
district,
and
so
I
know
that
we
would
love
that
partnership
to
be
able
to
talk
more
and
more
to
our
judges,
especially
like
presenting
that
power.
We
this
power
and
control
wheel
like
everything
about
it,
like
you,
don't
have
to
have
violence,
physical
or
sexual
violence
for
there
to
be
intimate
partner
violence.
H
A
A
I
thought
it'd
be
helpful
for
us
to
to
hear
about
the
I'm
gonna,
guys
that
call
out
the
victim's
comp
board.
A
It's
just
what
it
is
in
my
brain,
so
I'm
I'd
be
interested
to
know
and
I
think
it
would
be
good
for
us
to
hear
how
you
all
are
reviewing
claims,
particularly
since
we
just
passed
the
statute
that
made
some
adjustments
there
to
some
of
the
claims
that
that
a
loophole
were
was
allowing
to
to
not
be
addressed
or
met,
how
they're
how
claims
are
made
approved
and
how
you
all
are
funded
or
whatever
else
you
feel.
We
need
to
know
about
the
the
office
of
claims
and
appeals.
P
C
And
I'm
Ray
Shields,
as
you
said,
on
the
executive
staff
advisor
for
the
office
of
claims
and
appeals
I
serve
many
different
roles
with
OCA
I
serve
as
the
board
clerk
for
the
Crime
Victims
Compensation
Board
I
serve
as
one
of
his
claims.
Investigators
and
I
also
serve
as
the
records
custodian
ferocia.
P
And
before
we
get
started,
I
just
want
to
take
an
opportunity
to
thank
you
all
for
having
us
in
here
today
to
talk
about
the
good
work
our
program
does
for
victims
and
just
for
generally
highlighting
victims
as
part
of
the
the
criminal
justice
process.
I
think
you
mentioned
earlier
that
oftentimes
more
focuses
on
the
offenders,
but
I
think
it's
wonderful.
That
there's
been
a
lot
of
focus
today
on
the
victims
who
are
in
need
of
different
types
of
assistance
across
the
board
and
I.
P
So,
as
you
mentioned,
you
you're
familiar
with
the
the
board
as
the
victims
comp
board
the
crown
victims.
Compensation
Board
is
as
any
public
board
empowered
by
Statute
to
provide
financial
compensation
to
or
on
behalf
of
victims
of
violent
crime
or
other
qualifying
individuals
who
can
apply
for
compensation.
P
P
So
the
board
has
the
power
and
authority
to
hear
and
determine
all
matters
relating
to
a
claim
by
a
crime
victim
or
a
person
with
authority
tax,
on
behalf
of
a
victim
for
compensation
and
we'll
talk
in
a
minute
about
some
of
the
categories
of
expenses
and
compensation
that
the
board
can
provide
under
the
current
iteration
of
the
board.
There
are
three
members,
two
of
which
are
required
to
be
either
a
victim,
a
close
family
member
of
a
victim
or
a
victim
Advocate.
P
A
Starting
to
interrupt
I'm
curious
about
that
last
one
I
in
fact,
I
didn't
know
the
last
two
major
bullet
points
there
about
the
a
third
party
who's
responsible
for
the
medical
or
funeral
expenses,
the
five
years,
though,
what
if
the
case
is
still
pending,
does
that
have
any
impact
or
does
that
toll
that
time
period
or
is
that
good
cause
and
I've
still
got
to
ask
for
that?
So.
A
P
P
It
doesn't
necessarily
toll
it.
We
do
get
that
sometimes,
where
a
victim
believed
that
they
needed
a
conviction
before
they
could
file,
and
so
they'll
wait
to
file
until
there's
a
conviction
or
a
plea,
and
yes,
most
of
the
time.
In
those
situations,
the
board
will
apply.
The
good
cause
exception.
P
I
would
say
the
board
is
very
good
about
looking
at
the
circumstances
of
a
case
and
assessing
when
it
so
the
rest
of
that
statue
says
if
justice
so
requires
to
apply
the
good
cause,
exception,
I
think
in
those
situations
the
board
generally
determines
that
Justice
would
require
them
to
toll
the
statute.
Thank
you
sorry
to
interrupt.
P
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair,
so
yeah
that
that
statute
or
the
the
statute
of
limitations
is
subject
to
the
good
cause
exception,
which
we
talked
about
a
little
bit.
There
are
a
number
of
different
circumstances
where
that
has
come
up
since
I've
been
here,
one
of
which
is
if
a
victim
doesn't
know
about
the
program.
If
they
have
been
traumatized
to
the
point
where
it's
difficult
for
them
to
process
the
crime
until
a
while
down
the
road,
the
board
will
consider
all
of
those
in
determining
whether
to
apply
the
good
cause
exception.
P
Victims
are
eligible
to
apply
for
reimbursement
of
medical
and
dental
expenses.
There's
no
individual
cap
for
those
expenses.
Those
are
subject,
however,
to
the
overall
thirty
thousand
dollar
cap,
and
of
course,
that
is
only
expenses
they
are.
They
owe
or
have
to
pay
out
of
pocket.
If
insurance
has
paid
those,
then
they're
not
eligible
for
reimbursement.
P
Mental
health
counseling
is
also
an
eligible
expense.
Again,
there's
no
individual
cap,
but
by
Statute
there
is
a
two-year
limitation
from
when
the
mental
health
counseling
began.
So
if
a
victim
begins
that
they
can
have
that
for
a
period
of
two
years
at
which
point
the
the
program
can
no
longer
pay
it
after
the
two-year
period,
the
program
can
pay
funeral
and
burial
expenses
up
to
seven
thousand
five
hundred
dollars.
That
was
also
a
category
that
was
increased
as
part
of
Senate
Bill
282
last
session.
A
Say
well,
I'm
gonna
interrupt
again
and
make
a
suggestion.
It's
not
in
the
statute.
You
all
should
share
data
with
CJ
Sac
on
DV
related
and
sexual
assault
related
cases
where
claims
are
made.
I
think
that
ought
to
be
reflected
in
that
annual
report
too.
That's
something
I
think
you
all
should
pass
them
on.
We.
P
Can
certainly
do
that,
and
that
is
something
that
we
have
found
is
that
those
are
generally
in
addition
to
being
underreported.
As
the
prior
presenters
mentioned,
there's
oftentimes
claims
are
under
filed
based
on
the
number
of
of
those
types
of
crimes
that
occur.
P
That
cap
was
previously
a
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
per
week
as
part
of
Senate
Bill
282
last
session,
the
legislature
doubled
that
which
is
wonderful
to
300
per
week,
which
is
a
somewhat
more
reflective
of
the
current
Financial
state
that
that
victims
find
themselves
in,
and
then
loss
of
financial
support
is
the
last
category
again
that
was
doubled
from
150
to
300
per
week
in
Senate,
Bill
282,
and
that's
if
an
individual
is
relying
on
a
victim
for
financial
support,
whether
it's
a
parent
or
you
know,
sometimes
parents
are
relying
on
children
for
financial
support
and
that
individual
is
injured
or
killed
as
a
result
of
a
crime.
P
They
can
also
oftentimes
apply
for
that
financial
support
up
to
300
per
week.
P
There
are
situations
from
time
to
time
where
the
board
has
to
reduce
or
deny
a
claim.
These
are
the
primary
reasons
that
that
occurs
so
failure
to
perfect
a
claim
or
provide
supporting
documentation.
Our
investigators
Ray,
is
over
our
an
investigative
group.
They
do
a
great
job
of
working
with
victims
to
get
all
of
the
documentation
and
evidence.
They
need
to
pay
a
claim
to
substantiate
claimed
expenses,
but
sometimes
we're
not
able
to
get
all
of
the
information.
We
need
to
fully
perfect
or
prove
a
claim.
P
In
those
circumstances,
the
board
will
have
to
deny
a
claim
or
if
there's
some
expenses
they've
been
able
to
prove
and
some
they
haven't.
The
board
will
award
those
that
we
have
proof
of
and
and
deny
those
that
we
do
not
another
reason
for
denial
or
reduction
is
contributory
conduct.
That's
a
situation
where
the
victim,
as
a
result
of
their
own
conduct,
took
action
to
bring
on
the
criminally
injurious
conduct.
You
could
think
situation
versions
of
self-defense
oftentimes
mutual
combat.
P
P
Times
that
contributory
conduct
comes
into
play,
but
that's
a
couple
of
examples.
The
exception
to
that
is,
if
the
conduct
involved,
the
claimant
or
the
victim
trying
to
prevent
a
crime
or
attempted
crime
from
occurring.
So
obviously
in
those
situations
the
board
will
not
consider
contributory
conduct
and
then,
lastly,
if
there
is
a
collateral
source
that
is
available
to
pay
the
expense,
then
the
board
will
reduce
the
award
by
the
amount
of
the
collateral
source
that
was
available
or
that
actually
paid
it.
P
P
So
when
a
claim
is
submitted
by
a
victim
or
a
claimant,
we
receive
the
claim
form
any
supporting
documentation
they
submit
and
then
Ray
will
set
it
up
in
our
system,
he'll
send
out
initial
correspondence
to
a
number
number
of
different
parties,
and
then,
if
there's,
if
they
haven't
provided
certain
documentation,
they
need
to
we'll
send
out
a
deficiency
notice
that
will
then
be
assigned
to
an
investigator
who
will
begin
the
investigation.
They
will
work
closely
with
the
victim
to
ensure
we
have
all
information
and
documentation.
P
We
need
to
prove
any
expenses
that
they're
claiming
will
get
an
employment
verification
form
if
they're
claiming
lost
wages,
we'll
get
itemized
billing
statements
or
medical
records.
If
there
are
medical
bills,
contracts,
funeral
contracts,
things
like
that
to
make
sure
that
we
have
all
the
proof
that
these
expenses
were
actually
incurred.
P
Once
the
investigator
completes
their
investigation,
they
will
submit
an
investigation
report
to
a
single
board
member
who
will
review
the
claim
they
will
review
the
supporting
documentation
and
then
they
will
make
a
recommendation
to
the
full
board
on
what
action
should
be
taken
on
that
claim.
That
is
served
on
the
claimant.
Who
then
has
the
opportunity
to
file
exceptions
if
you're
familiar
with
KRS
13B,
that's
sort
of
in
compliance
with
that
that
they
have
the
opportunity
to
object
to
anything
they
disagree
with
in
the
recommended
order.
P
P
If
the
claim
is
awarded
that
will
be
provided
to
the
the
claimant
and
if
there's
an
offender
identified,
who
has
actually
been
convicted
of
the
crime
or
has
been
charged
with
the
crime,
we
will
begin
the
process
of
collecting
the
debt
from
them
because
by
Statute
any
offender
whose
crimes
we
pay
out
an
award
because
of
they
owe
a
debt
to
the
state.
And
so
we
will
begin
the
process
of
attempting
to
collect
that
debt
from
them.
P
We
wait
until
they
were
actually
convicted
to
collect
that
debt,
but
we
will
notify
them
of
the
debt
and
then
once
they're
convicted,
we'll
we'll
begin
to
first
ask
them
to
voluntarily
pay.
If
they
don't
voluntarily
pay,
we
will
work
with
the
Department
of
Revenue
or,
if
they're
incarcerated,
the
department
of
corrections
to
attempt
to
obtain
reimbursement
to
our
program
from
the
offender
for
those
payments.
P
So
briefly,
about
the
sexual
assault
examination
program:
this
was
a
program
created
to
encourage
victims
of
sexual
assault
to
appear
in
hospitals,
have
a
sexual
assault.
Examination
performed
those
exams
include
basic
medical
treatment,
so
Labs
collection
of
forensic
evidence
any
pro
HIV
prophylactic
medication,
that's
needed
other
certain
types
of
medications:
that's
provided
to
the
victim
who
presents
to
the
hospital
or
medical
provider,
but
by
law.
The
victim
is
not
allowed
to
be
billed
for
those
expenses.
So
if
the
victim
has
insurance
and
is
okay
with
the
insurance
being
billed,
they
will
build.
P
P
This
is
a
little
bit
of
information
on
the
caps
for
the
sexual
assault.
Exam
program.
I
will
not
go
through
these
in
detail,
but,
as
you
can
see,
they
include
facility
fees,
labs
for
the
exam,
examiner
fees,
fees
for
medications
prescribed
during
the
exam,
and
they
include
a
pretty
detailed
breakdown
of
certain
types
of
exams
and
medications
given
as
part
of
the
HIV
prophylaxis
prescription
course.
P
So
reasons
for
denial
of
sexual
assault
claims,
these
primary
primarily
relate
to
the
fact
that
insurance
paid
over
the
regulated
amount,
in
which
case
our
program,
would
not
pay
anything
if
insurance
covered
it
or
the
fact
that
the
provider
did
not
provide
the
Bills
or
the
forms
properly
completed.
In
order
for
us
to
evaluate
and
adjudicate
the
claim.
P
I
did
want
to
take
an
opportunity
to
highlight
some
of
the
recent
improvements
to
the
Crime
Victims
program
and
the
sexual
assault
program.
Our
staff
does
a
great
job
in
making
sure
these
programs
run
smoothly
and
what
the
health
help
of
the
legislature
and
other
organizations
we
try
to
work
every
day
to
improve
our
processes
to
serve
victims
to
the
best
of
our
ability.
So,
as
mentioned
in
Senate
Bill
282,
this
past
session,
the
legislature
increased.
P
The
award
caps
for
all
categories
of
awards
that
are
available,
which
has
been
very
helpful
to
victims,
has
increased
the
amounts
we've
paid
out
immediately
that
that
Bill
had
an
emergency
provision
in
it.
So
it
went
into
effect
immediately
immediately
upon
Passage
one
process
change
the
board
has
made
is
when
evaluating
claims
where
we
don't
have
sufficient
evidence
to
award
the
claim
if
it
appears
that
the
claim
would
likely
be
awardable,
but
for
the
fact
that
the
victim
has
not
been
able
to
provide
the
proper
documentation.
Instead
of
denying
claims
for
failure.
P
Failure
to
perfect,
which
comes
with
a
lifetime
bar
to
refiling
that
claim
the
board
has
begun
to
deny
them
for
lack
of
proper
documentation
and
giving
and
has
begun
giving
claimants
leave
to
refile,
with
the
understanding
that
oftentimes
victims
experience
trauma
from
the
victimization
that
can
come
at
its
own
pace
that
can
be
experienced
by
the
victim.
You
know
at
different
times
some
experience
experience
it
immediately.
P
Two
years
ago,
the
legislature
passed
a
bill
requiring
trauma-informed
training
for
the
Crime
Victims
compensation
board,
members
and
staff,
and
so
for
the
past
two
years
we
have
provided
that
training
to
our
staff,
especially
focusing
on
secondary
trauma,
which
is
an
issue
for
our
investigators
who
investigate
these
sometimes
horrific
crimes
in
the
process
of
investigating
these
claims
and
I
do
want
to
give
credit
I,
don't
know
if
Christie's
still
here,
but
the
ion
Center
did
our
first
trauma-informed
training
for
our
staff
two
years
ago,
and
it
was
really
really
successful.
P
P
We
recently
secured
a
Federal
grant
through
Voca
assistance,
which
is
it's
the
same
pot
of
money.
It's
the
Voca
pot
of
money,
but
it's
the
assistant
side.
Instead
of
the
compensation
side
to
hire
a
victim
advocate
for
the
board.
This
will
allow
the
the
board
to
better
assist
victims
and
filing
claims.
We
anticipate
this
individual
will
advocate
for
these
victims
at
the
board.
Our
investigators
sometimes
take
on
that
role,
but
that's
difficult
because
as
investigators,
they
also
have
to
remain
objective
when
presenting
cases
to
the
board
and
preparing
investigation
reports.
P
Our
other
goal
for
this
victim
Advocate
is
to
build
a
referral
network
with
other
victim
service
organizations
and
agencies,
so
that
we
can
refer
victims
to
proper
agencies
for
services
that
they
need
that
our
agency
cannot
provide
them.
As
you
can
see,
our
the
services
we
can
provide
are
fairly
limited
and
we
have
a
lot
of
great
organizations
across
the
state
that
can
provide
much
broader
services
and
then,
lastly,
the
Cabinet
for
Health
and
Family
Services.
This
past
year
increased
the
Medicaid
reimbursement
rate
for
sexual
assault
exams,
performed
by
child
advocacy
centers
by
Statute.
P
We
are
required
to
reimburse
cacs
at
the
Medicaid
rate,
and
so
that
increase
I
know
has
helped
cacs
better
perform
these
exams
better
fund
the
performance
of
these
exams
that
was
temporarily
increased
from
538
dollars
to
894
dollars.
It's
my
understanding
that
what
chfs
performs
a
study
of
the
actual
costs
of
these
exams
to
cacs
they're,
going
to
increase
it
further
to
better
reimburse
those
centers
for
the
exams
they
perform
in
terms
of
statistics
for
claims
received
victims,
we've
assisted
and
amounts
we've
paid
out.
I've
included
some
statistics
for
the
past
two
fiscal
years.
P
So,
as
you
can
see,
in
FY
22,
we
paid
out
approximately
579
000
in
Awards
and
helped
165
victims
just
for
the
Crime
Victims
program.
That's
not
including
the
sexual
assault,
exam
program
and
FY
23
that
number
increased
pretty
substantially
to
964
000
and
we
helped
246
victims
through
granting
them
awards.
That
increases
due
to
a
number
of
different
things,
one
being
the
increases
incentive,
Bill
282
of
the
Caps,
the
other
being
a
really
beneficial
training
program
that
Ray
has
put
together
and
then
been
presenting
to
law
enforcement
agencies.
P
Prosecutorial
agencies
victim
service
organizations
to
spread
the
word
about
our
program
to
help
people
understand
our
processes
and
what
it
takes
for
a
victim
to
be
eligible
for
an
award
and
I
will
say
that
over
the
last
couple
of
trainings
I
think
in
one
of
the
most
recent
ones
he
had
about
90
attendees,
so
those
trainings
have
been
very
very
helpful.
We
have
a
statutory
duty
to
spread
awareness
of
the
program
and
we
take
that
seriously
because
the
more
people
that
know
about
it,
the
more
victims
we
can
help
yeah.
P
So
for
FY
22,
we
received
313
crime
victim
claims
for
FY
23.
There
was
an
increase
we
received
about.
We
received
361
crime
victim
claims.
I
will
say
that
that
claim
number
increase
has
been
pretty
consistent
over
the
past
several
fiscal
years.
We
have
seen
a
continued
trend
of
increased
claim
filings
and
we
anticipate
that
that
will
likely
continue
based
on
the
education
and
then,
unfortunately,
based
on
some
increases
in
certain
types
of
crime.
P
We
awarded
165
claims
in
FY
22
again.
These
are
just
crime
victim
claims,
so
we
had
a
an
award
percentage
of
69
percent
denied
31
and
FY
23.
We
awarded
749
claims
for
an
award
percentage
of
78
percent
and
a
denied
percentage
of
22
percent.
P
P
P
There
were
two
2.2
million
dollars
of
awardable
claims
that
could
not
be
paid
due
to
a
lack
of
funding
and
350
to
400
stagnating
claims,
and
that
does
not
include
the
claims
that
were
being
active
actively
investigated
at
that
time.
So
there
were
actually
more
claims
backed
up
then
that
figure
at
the
present
time.
Over
the
past
three
calendar
years,
we've
averaged
a
128
day
claim
processing
time,
and
that
is
despite
an
increase
in
claim
filings
compared
to
having
the
same
number
of
staff
to
investigate
and
process
those
claims.
P
P
We
have
one
restitution
and
collections
officer
and
she
has
a
Monumental
job
as
you
all
can
imagine,
but
she
does
a
really
good
job
and
works
very
hard
to
make
sure
we
bring
in
as
much
revenue
through
this
process
as
we
can
in
FY
22.
We
received
82
000
650
in
restitution
and
donations
and
FY
23.
We
received
358
471
dollars.
However,
that's
a
bit
of
an
outlier
because
we
received
a
single
230
thousand
dollar
check
from
ordered
by
the
U.S
District
Court
for
the
eastern
district
of
Kentucky
in
a
large
narcotics
prosecution.
P
These
are
some
statistics
about
the
sexual
assault
exam
program.
As
you
will
see,
we
receive
larger
number
of
numbers
of
claims
for
that
program.
In
FY
22
we
received
889
claims
and
of
the
ones
we
decided.
We
had
a
68
award
rate
and
a
32
percent
denial
rate
and
FY
23.
We
received
slightly
more
claims
at
1153.
P
So
this
is
these:
are
our
budget
numbers?
These
are
simply
amounts
we
paid
out
from
different
funding
pools
for
the
awards
we
paid
out
in
those
fiscal
years.
These
are
our
sources
of
revenue.
Those
are
agency
Revenue.
So
this
is
not
including
federal
funds
and
general
funds.
We
have
the
restitution
fees,
traffic
school
costs
that
we
get
court
costs.
Miscellaneous
donations
are
primarily
the
the
restricted
funds
we
receive,
and
then
the
one
thing
I
did
want
to
touch
on
is
the
impact
of
Senate
Bill
282.
P
So
if
you
see
here,
the
first
two
columns
are
the
number
of
claims
we
received
in
those
fiscal
years
and
the
total
amounts
paid
out.
The
third
column
is
the
effect
of
Senate
Bill
282,
and
that
is
assuming
that
any
claim
where
we
paid
the
maximum
for
burials
at
the
previous
cap
of
5
000.
We
assumed
it
would
be
paid
at
7
500
and
then
for
the
prior
loss
of
earnings.
P
A
I
appreciate
you
coming
and
sharing
this
information
with
us
and,
of
course,
members,
you've
got
that
presentation
and
your
materials,
and
it's
on
the
website.
I
have
two
quick
questions.
One
do
you
know
what
your
CL
on
the
slide
to
before
this?
Do
you
know
what
your
collection
rate
is
for
each
of
those
amounts
you
showed
what
at
what
I
thought
I
saw.
Two
slides
back
was
what
you
actually
took
in
I'm
curious
what
you
were
owed
versus
what
you
took
in
you're.
P
Saying
for
the
rest
collecting
from
offenders?
Yes,
sir
I
do
not
have
those
percentages
right
now,
but
I
can
certainly
let
you
know
that
I
will
say
that
one
issue
we
run
into
is
the
term
I
use
as
a
lawyer
is
they're
judgment
proof.
A
lot
of
these
offenders
have
no
money.
A
A
From
any
rationale
for
why
you
didn't
collect
yep,
and
that's
certainly
one
of
the
reasons
why
I'm
curious
what
the
rate
of
collection
is,
if
that's
something
you
report
back
to
us,
that'd
be
helpful.
I.
A
Second
thing:
do
you
do
you
have
any
lawful
process
for
enforcing
a
decision
that
you've
made
to
collect
or
to
gather
reimbursement
from
either
a
defendant?
If
there's
a
judgment
in
a
con
or
a
conviction
in
criminal
case
and,
of
course
a
judgment
follows
that
can
be
enforced,
but
do
you
have
any
civil
process
for
enforcement
so.
P
We
do
have
processes
for
both
of
those
we
so
by
Statute
it
create
when
we
pay
out
an
award
as
a
result
of
an
offender's
crime.
It
creates
a
debt
owed
to
the
state,
and
so
we
follow
the
debt
collection
process.
The
Department
of
Revenue
follows
in
terms
of
we.
We
notify
revenue
of
a
debt
that
we
are
owed
for
an
offender,
that's
not
incarcerated,
and
we
will
again.
This
is
after
attempting
to
have
them
pay
voluntarily
and
they
will
attempt
to
initiate
collection
proceedings
on
those
individuals.
P
If
the
individual
is
incarcerated,
we
will
work
with
the
Department
of
Corrections
to
give
them
notice
of
the
debt,
try
to
get
them
to
pay
voluntarily.
If
they
don't,
we
will
give
them
a
notice
of
intercept.
They
have
an
opportunity
to
appeal
that
the
board
then
considers
it
and
assuming
that
that
is
denied.
We
will
then
move
forward
with
intercepting
certain
State
wages.
L
Thank
you
Cameron,
and
thank
you
all
for
your
presentation.
I'm
curious.
Do
you
all
know,
as
far
as
the
type
of
victims
that
come
to
you
all
to
receive
Services?
Is
that
broken
down?
L
The
reason
why
I'm
asking
is
I'm
curious
of
how
much
of
these
funds
or
how
many
folks
who
have
been
impacted
by
gun
violence
are
receiving
your
services
and
if
they
aren't,
is
there
something
that
we
need
to
do
to
ensure,
especially
when
you're
talking
about
young
people,
who've
been
impacted
by
gun
violence
in
the
long-term
trauma,
and
so
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out?
Is
there
something
that
we
can
do
from
our
end
to
assist
and
provide
services
additional
services
for
our
gun,
violence,
victims.
P
So
I
appreciate
the
question
representative:
we
do
track
the
types
of
crimes
for
which
we
pay
out.
Awards
I
will
say
that
homicides
are
the
majority,
am
I
correct
the
majority
of
what
we
pay
out.
C
Oh
thank
you
representative.
Yes,
approximately
60
to
65
percent
of
our
current
Case
homicide
and
probably
roughly
another
30
35
percent
involve
assault,
so
obviously
those
two
categories
of
crimes,
Encompass
a
large
large
majority
of
the
claims
that
we
receive
but
again
homicides,
do
unfortunately
inhabit
a
very
large
percentage
of
our
current
caseload.
P
And
the
large
majority
of
those
homicides
relate
to
gun
violence,
so
you
know
on
our
end,
we
are
attempting
to
spread
awareness
of
our
programs,
especially
in
areas
where
gun
violence
is
most
prevalent.
P
Things
that
the
legislature
can
do
I
would
have
to
give
some
thought
to
that.
To
that
and
get
back
to
you
I
know,
there
are
program.
We've
worked
with
one
program
in
Lexington
I
believe
it's
called
one
Lexington
that
focuses
on
specifically
gun
violence
prevention.
We
are
trying
to
coordinate
with
them,
so
any
any
ability
that
the
legislature
has
to
assist
these
organizations
and
collaborating
with
one
another
and
working
with
one.
Another
I
think
always
helps
move
the
ball
forward
in
that
regard.
L
You
chairman,
I,
have
one
more
question
as
far
as
the
overall
budget
I
know,
that
I
saw
some
numbers.
How
much
money
are
you
all
getting
specifically
from
us?
The
general
assembly.
P
A
All
right,
the
next
step-
we've
got
a
fellow
colleague
of
ours
who
had
the
pleasure
of
meeting
earlier
this
year,
former
state
representative
in
the
the
great
state
of
Georgia
Scott
Turner.
A
He
is
attending
by
Zoom,
along
with
Natasha
Bennett
representative
Turner,
mentioned
to
me
the
Coleman
Baker
Act,
which
was
enacted
in
Georgia
earlier
this
year,
and
it's
it's
a
bill
that
was
inspired
by
or
prompted
by
two
unsolved
cases,
one
in
1990
and
one
in
2001
murder
cases
there
in
Georgia
and
I'm
going
to
let
representative
Turner
talk
about
that
once
he
is
there.
He
is
representative
Turner,
I've
I've,
just
introduced
you
and
I
mentioned
the
the
Coleman
Baker
Act
and
I've
mentioned
Miss
Bennett.
You
have
the
floor,
sir.
Q
Sorry
about
that
I'm
muted
there.
Thank
you
coach
here,
Westerfield
co-chair
Elliott
members
of
the
committee.
It
is
a
pleasure
to
be
able
to
address
my
home
state
where
I
was
born
and
it's
an
exciting
moment
for
me
to
be
able
to
return
home.
Q
There
was
a
Republican
senator
senator
cornyn
from
Texas
and
representative
swalwell
from
California
who
teamed
up
to
address
this
issue
and
together
they
were
able
to
pass
H.R
3359,
which
was
the
family's
victims,
rights
act,
and
this
bill
only
applies
to
cases
with
Federal
jurisdiction.
So
it's
really
a
very
small
number
Nationwide,
because
there
aren't
a
lot
of
cases
that
the
the
Federal
Bureau
Investigation
FBI
has
jurisdiction
over.
Q
Q
The
family
would
have
the
right
to
apply
through
writing
an
application
to
the
FBI
to
have
the
case
reviewed
and
if
any
new
evidence
is
found
or
if
something
could
benefit
from
a
a
new
technology
or
methodology.
Then
the
case
would
be
reassigned
to
a
fresh,
investigator
and
reinvestigated
from
the
beginning.
And
this
is
really
important
because
a
fresh
investigator
doesn't
have
any
of
the
biases
baked
in
to
the
investigation.
Q
And
that's
the
big
push,
and
so
we
took
that
piece
of
legislation
and
we
tried
to
address
some
very
specific
concerns
that
we
had
here
in
Georgia.
One
of
the
things
I've
been
listening
to
in
the
other
testimonies
and
things
that
you
guys
are
working
on
is
this
idea
of
data
collection.
We
know
that
the
gbi
here
in
Georgia
has
over
500
cold
cases
since
1970..
Q
We
have
no
idea
how
many
there
are
in
our
local
law
enforcement
agencies.
There
has
just
been
a
lack
of
communication
in
these
things
and
after
a
while
people
stopped
working
on
them,
they
stop
tracking
them.
They
stop
making
progress
on
them
and
we
were
able
to
look
at
certain
jurisdictions
in
the
state
and
see
that
there
are
over
50
in
the
last
50
years
that
have
been
unsolved
and
just
one
or
two
jurisdictions
by
themselves,
and
so
we
have
no
real
idea
in
Georgia.
Just
how
big
the
problem
is.
Q
We
do
know
our
clearance
rates
are
better
in
some
jurisdictions
than
others,
and
some
of
them
you
have
a
sort
of
a
50
50
chance
of
getting
away
with
murder.
Clearance
rates
are
close
to
55
56
and
some
jurisdictions
in
Georgia,
and
so
this
is
a
significant
problem
about
the
data
collection
side,
and
so
we
introduced
hb88,
which
was
named
after
Rhonda
Sue
Coleman
and
Tara
Louise
Baker,
two
Cold
Case
murder
victims,
one
from
Jeff,
Davis
County
any
other
in
our
Athens-Clarke
County,
where
the
University
of
Georgia
is,
and
it's
sought
to
solve.
Q
We
actually
mandated
that
every
law
enforcement
agency
at
the
municipal
and
county
level,
so
our
Sheriff's
departments
and
our
police
departments
report
annually
to
the
University
of
Georgia's
Carl
Vinson
Institute
and
instructed
the
Carla
Vincent
Institute
to
create
a
database
so
that
we
may
begin
tracking
the
state.
The
stats
around
Cold
Case
murders
across
every
jurisdiction
in
Georgia,
and
the
third
was
a
very
specific
instance.
We
had
certain
coroners
and
medical
examiners
around
the
states
around
the
state
who
were
refusing
to
issue
death
certificates.
Q
So
they
didn't
want
to
put
the
cause
of
death
on
a
public
document
and
therefore
they
were
refusing
to
issue
in
some
cases.
In
the
baker
case.
It
was
over
a
decade
and
this
led
to
all
kinds
of
problems
for
their
family.
They
were
not
able
to
appropriately
close
down
her
estate.
Her
identity
was
stolen
on
multiple
occasions
and
which
just
caused
the
family
to
have
to
relive
the
stress
and
endure
the
horror
of
losing
Terror
over
and
over
again.
Q
So
it
dealt
with
that
as
well,
which
was
a
very
georgia-specific
problem
that
we
dealt
with
so
that
bill
passed
unanimously
out
of
both
Chambers.
It
was
signed
into
law
by
Governor
Kemp
earlier
this
year.
It
was
not
just
the
legislation
that
we
were
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
were
addressing
for
the
families,
but
also
making
sure
that
law
enforcement
had
the
resources
that
they
needed.
Now
in
Georgia,
we
had
a
six
billion
dollar
Surplus,
and
so
the
question
became.
Q
One
of
the
key
differences
between
Federal
legislation
and
a
state
piece
of
legislation
really
draws
on
this
idea
of
jurisdictionality
in
Georgia
the
where
the
murder
occurs.
That
law
enforcement
agent
agency
has
original
jurisdiction
and
they
are
not
required
by
any
law
to
turn
over
or
that
jurisdiction
to
any
other
law
enforcement
agency
unless
they
do
it
on
a
voluntary
basis.
Q
This
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
don't
know
how
many
cases
there
are
out
there,
the
again
that
the
gbi
has
been
called
in
on
500
cases
that
they
have
not
been
able
to
solve
yet,
but
the
locals
have
no
real
incentive
to
call
them
in
if
they
don't
want
to
give
up
the
case,
and
sometimes
that
causes
a
lot
of
friction,
especially
with
families
who
are
asking
questions
and
want
to
see
additional
resources
put
on
it.
Q
So
what
we
hoped
to
do
to
address
the
jurisdictionality
question
was
to
provide
resources
at
the
general
Bureau
Georgia
Bureau
of
Investigation.
That
would
exceed
any
expectation
of
a
local
agency
so
that
they
could
turn
it
over
to
this.
This
division,
This
Cold
Case
unit
within
the
gbi
that
would
have
the
resources,
and
so
we
were
able
to
Advocate
I,
went
to
the
gbi
and
asked
him
how
you
know.
Q
If
we
were
going
to
do
this
right,
what
would
it
look
like
and
they
asked
for
19
employees,
10
agents
along
with
agent
in
charge
and
all
the
administrative
support
all
of
the
real
estate,
the
training,
the
equipment
that
they
would
need,
the
specialty
trading,
and
they
came
up
with
a
figure
that
for
Georgia
it
was
5.2
million
to
start
that
was
their
first
year
cost
with
a
three
and
a
half
million
dollar
annual
budget
to
continue,
and
with
a
six
million
dollar
Surplus,
we
were
able
to
to
Advocate
that
these
were
dollars
well
spent
in
the
effort.
Q
So
I
forgot
I
forgot
to
mention
that
this
work
that
we
are
doing
you
know
as
a
former
state
representative
in
Georgia
I'm
no
longer
in
the
House
of
Representatives,
but
I
have
maintained
right
relationships
and
today
I'm
the
executive
director
of
a
small
non-profit
called
the
turtle
vigilance
action.
Q
Our
mission
is
to
advocate
for
policies
which
maximize
the
American
promise
of
liberty
and
justice
for
all,
and
that
Justice
piece
really
is
well
served
by
this
effort,
and
I
would
hope
that
the
other
states
like
Kentucky
would
consider
this
as
something
that
would
be
a
a
process
that
would
deliver
answers
to
families.
Who've
been
waiting
really
just
too
long
for
answers
and
deliver
Justice
When
Hope
seems
to
have
been
lost
for
talk
for
for
far
too
long
with
that.
J
All
right,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman
and
esteemed
members
of
the
general
assembly
I
come
before
you
today
to
share
with
you
the
story
of
my
cousin
Rhonda
Sue
Coleman,
for
whom
George's
Coleman
Baker
Act
is
in
part
named
Rhonda
was
a
beautiful
vivacious.
Young
woman
who
entered
this
world
kicking
and
screaming,
like
all
babies,
do
on
January
18th
of
1972
in
the
small
town
of
Hazelhurst
Georgia.
From
the
time
she
took
her
first
breath
her
indelible
Spirit
propelled
her
to
make
a
difference
in
the
world
around
her
for
18
years.
J
She
exuded
happiness
and
joy
to
those
who
were
blessed
to
know
her.
Her
smile
could
bring
warmth
on
even
the
coldest
of
days
her
desire
to
help
others
was
evident
in
her
dream
of
becoming
a
pediatric
nurse
and
caring
for
the
most
precious
and
vulnerable
Among
Us
as
she
walked
out
of
her
home.
For
what
would
be
the
final
time
her
mind
was
focused
on
the
future.
She
was
two
weeks
away
from
her
high
school
graduation
and
she
was
ready
to
take
on
the
world.
J
Her
last
conversation
with
her
parents
was
about
her
future
plans
to
attend
Georgia
Southern
University.
Hers
was
the
future
filled
with
so
much
hope
and
promise
that
would
never
come
into
being
after
spending
the
evening
working
on
senior
class
activities.
Rhonda
said
goodbye
to
her
friends
for
what
would
be
the
last
time
and
drove
off
into
the
night
within
30
minutes
of
her
departure.
Her
car
was
found
abandoned
with
the
lights
on,
and
the
engine
still
running
her
Footprints,
leading
away
from
her
vehicle.
J
For
three
days.
An
entire
Community
searched
every
corner
of
Jeff
Davis
County
for
Rhonda
clinging
to
the
never
fading
hope
that
she
would
be
returned
safely
to
her
parents,
but
on
a
warm
afternoon,
as
other
families
gathered
around
the
table
for
Sunday
dinner,
her
parents
world
was
shattered
with
five
simple
words.
We
found
her
she's
gone
on.
May
17,
1990,
Rhonda,
Sue
Coleman
took
her
final
breath
as
she
left
this
world.
J
She
left
it
Kicking
and
Screaming
the
same
way
she
came
into
it,
but
at
the
hands
of
a
killer
whose
identity
has
remained
unknown
for
33
years.
Since
that
dark
day
in
1990,
her
parents
have
waited
for
answers
that
seem
to
never
come
with
each
tick
of
the
clock.
They
continue
to
cling
to
the
hope
of
one
day
learning,
while
their
daughter
had
to
die
for
over
30
years.
A
crucial
piece
of
evidence
sat
on
process
in
the
evidence
room
of
the
Jeff
Davis
County
Sheriff's
Office.
J
This
was
an
oversight
that
may
have
caused
her
family
to
Bear,
Untold
years
of
additional
suffering
and
waiting
for
answers,
answers
that
may
come
with
the
processing
of
this
evidence
now
Rhonda's
case
like
so
many
others
remains
unsolved
to
this
day.
As
Mr
Turners
told
you
across
Georgia
there's
an
Untold
number
of
families
who
continue
to
wait
for
answers
and
justice
for
their
loved
ones.
J
The
first
phone
call
of
Hope
from
Milton
and
Gail
Coleman
Rhonda's
parents
came
in
July
of
this
year.
The
gbi's
brand
new
Cold
Case
unit
contacted
them
to
say
that
Rhonda's
case
had
been
accepted
for
review
and
possible
reinvestigation
the
one
stem
candle
of
Hope
having
been
rekindled
with
a
simple
acknowledgment
that
her
case
matters.
J
Sadly,
Rhonda's
story
is
not
unique
to
her
or
just
to
Georgia.
Unsolved
homicides
are
a
reality
for
thousands
of
families
across
this
nation,
including
Kentucky,
and
but
I
applaud
each
of
you
for
taking
the
time
to
consider
what
you
can
do
to
offer
these
Kentucky
families
hope.
The
legislation
that
you
could
put
forth
would
represent
a
crucial
step
forward
in
the
fight
to
bring
Justice
for
the
victims
of
unsolved
homicides
and
I.
J
A
Thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you
for
sharing
your
your
family
story
and
for
coming
and
I
know
you
put
some
work
and
some
effort
into
getting
this
passed
in
Georgia
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
when
representative
Turner
mentioned
it
to
me,
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
the
right
legislators
and
I've
got
the
best
in
the
building
in
this
committee
that
they
had
a
chance
to
hear
it.
So
thank
you
both
I
appreciate
it.
A
Thank
you
so
much
all
right,
members
I
know:
we've
got
another
there
weren't
any
questions
there.
So
I'm.
Moving
on
to
the
next
item.
The
last
item
on
the
agenda:
Vine
I,
want
to
welcome
up
Steve
gold,
our
County
attorney
in
Henderson
County,
Jenny,
Oldham,
County
attorney
and
Hardin
County,
and
if
Joe
is
gonna,
yep
Joe,
Ross,
County
attorney
in
Logan
County
have
you
all
come
on
up
and
I'm
sorry
to
abbreviate
your
testimony,
but
we
start
losing
more
committee
members
at
one
o'clock.
So
there
you
go.
B
Floor
is
yours,
we'll
be
very
quick,
Mr
chairman,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
so
to
give
an
overview
about
about
Vine
and
an
overview
of
what
we're
saying.
There
was
a
thing
that
worked
for
years.
It
was
great
for
victims,
it
doesn't
work
anymore.
That's
bad
Vine
stands
for
victim
information
and
notification.
Every
day
it
originated
in
Kentucky
in
1996.
As
a
Pros,
a
project
of
the
Department
of
Corrections
and
aparas.
B
It's
been
an
essential
life-saving
tool
for
victims
of
crime
as
a
result
of
the
the
murder
of
Mary
Byron,
who
was
murdered
in
1993
on
our
21st
birthday
by
her
boyfriend
that
she
believed
was
still
in
custody
and
had
had
Vine
been
available
to
give
her
notification
that
he
was
out.
That
would
not
have
happened.
B
Vine
was
built
for
email
text
and
phone
call,
notifications
of
inmate
status,
releases
from
custody
or
Escape
emergency
protective
order
status
is
like
when
those
epos
are
served
and
court
dates
and
court
case
status.
Important
dates
of
hearings
at
some
point
in
September
of
2021.
The
data
sharing
between
the
Kentucky
Administrative
Office
of
the
courts
and
Vine
ended
and
victims
were
no
longer
able
to
receive
or
sign
up
for
court
notice,
information,
All-State
victims,
information
websites,
brochures,
including
those
of
AOC
doc.
B
The
Kentucky
attorney
general
prosecutors
offices
still
indicated
that
Court
notification
was
part
of
the
vine
functionality.
I
want
to
note
that
currently,
the
inmate
custody
information
and
emergency
protective
order,
parts
of
Vine
do
still
work
in
early
2022
victims
began
notifying
our
office
that
vine
wouldn't
allow
them
to
sign
up
for
court
notifications
anymore.
Our
victims
advocate
Linda
Schreiner
who's.
Here
with
me
today
contacted
AOC
staff,
and
even
a
lot
of
them
were
surprised
that
the
court
notification
process
was
no
longer
working
at
that
point.
B
I
brought
the
issue
to
the
attention
of
the
former
AOC
director
and
Senator
Westerfield,
which
has
led
us
to
being
here
today
after
a
series
of
discussions,
I
want
to
talk
about
the
importance
of
automated
Court
notification
throughout
the
majority
of
my
years
of
Prosecuting
and
all
of
ours.
Notifying
victims
of
court
dates
was
near
instant
when
a
clerk
changed
a
court
date
and
the
computer
it
automatically
sent
out
information
to
victims
that
was
very
convenient,
kept
victims
informed
quickly
and
efficiently.
Automated
systems
don't
get
sick,
they
don't
go
on.
B
Vacation
court
dates,
often
change
with
little
notice,
while
our
victims,
Advocates
and
prosecutors,
are
aware
of
many
changes
in
court
dates.
There
are
very
many
that
we
do
not
know
about
if
an
attorney
is
double
booked,
ill
running
late
or
something
like
that,
it's
not
uncommon
for
them
or
their
staffs
to
contact
the
judge
or
the
judge's
staff
or
a
clerk,
and
the
date
gets
changed
in
those
situations.
We
don't
necessarily
get
any
notice.
They
just
don't
end
up
on
the
dock
at
that
day
and
show
up
on
another
one.
B
B
Our
victims
advocate
had
met
with
her
and
coordinated
with
court
security
to
ensure
her
safety
when
Britney
and
our
victims
advocate
arrived
in
court,
they
found
out
that
her
abuser's
attorney
had
a
scheduling
conflict
that
had
gotten
the
case.
Continued
the
day
before
unbeknownst
to
our
office,
Brittany
took
a
day
off
work
prepared
for
the
stress
of
seeing
her
abuser
and
speaking
in
court,
only
to
be
told
to
come
back
and
do
it
all
again.
Next
week,
Saturday
Britney's
experience
is
only
one
of
several
similar
situations.
B
Automated
Vine
Court
notification
would
have
avoided
this,
so
we've
talked
a
little
about
Marcy's
law.
Today,
you
all
are
aware
of
that.
One
of
the
rights
that
it
provides
is
for
timely
notice
of
all
judicial
proceedings,
while
prosecutors
and
victims
Advocates
do
all
that
we
can
do
to
keep
victims
as
informed
as
possible.
It's
increasingly
impossible,
since
automated
Court
notification
has
gone
away.
B
Marcy's
law
was
a
policy
articulation
by
both
the
legislature
and
the
voters
that
victims
should
be
afforded
at
least
as
much
respect
in
the
criminal
justice
system
as
their
offenders.
In
fact,
section
26a
says
the
victims.
Rights
are
to
be
respected
and
protected
by
law
in
a
manner
no
less
vigorous
than
the
protections
afforded
the
accused.
B
It's
essential
for
our
justice
system
to
protect
and
give
life
to
the
constitutional
rights
of
all
parties,
which
includes
the
right
to
fairness
and
due
consideration
of
a
victim's
safety,
dignity
and
privacy.
But
what
happened
to
Brittany
and
others
like
her-
is
not
that
so
automated
victim
notification
of
court
dates
is
nothing
new.
It
existed
for
years
and
and
should
again,
other
states
are
still
making
Court
notifications,
part
of
their
Vine
Kentucky
led
the
way
decades
ago,
with
the
creation
of
Vine.
B
We
shouldn't
go
backwards
in
the
level
with
which
we
respect
the
rights
and
dignity
of
victims.
We
should
continue
to
approve
and
innovate.
It's
2023.
Our
victims
can
get
automatic
texts
telling
them
that
their
Amazon
package
is
10
houses
away.
They
should
once
again
be
able
to
get
one
when
a
court
date
changes.
B
R
We
don't
have
a
lot
to
add
we're
I.
Think
Joe
and
I
are
here
to
answer
questions.
What
it
looks
like
on
the
ground
and
I
forgot
to
turn
that
on
so
we're
just
here
to
answer
questions
just
to
let
you
know,
though,
there
is
not
another
database
that
exists,
that
prosecutors
have
access
to
where
we
could
do
this
function,
and
so
we
want
to
avoid
that
delay.
That
Steve
pointed
out.
We
may
not
even
know
that
something
has
been
moved.
R
A
Appreciate
that
I
do
want
Joe,
you
want
to
say
anything.
I
do
want
to
have
director
Comstock
come
up
on
behalf
of
AOC
as
she's.
Making
her
way
up.
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
bringing
the
issue
up
and
and
speaking
on
it
today
and
I
we're
giving
it
short
shrift,
but
it's
something
we.
We
absolutely
ought
to
fix
and
Steve
your
remarks
just
thinner
right
on
the
nose.
Even
I
mean
court
systems
are
using
text
messages
to
inform
defendants
of
pre-trial
hearings.
A
There's
no
reason
why
we
shouldn't
be
able
to
do
that
for
Crime,
Victims
it'd
be
nice
if,
if
the
crime
victim
didn't
also
have
to
do
it
multiple
times
once
for
the
F
case,
once
again
for
the
CR
case,
once
again,
they
it's
requiring
too
much
effort
on
the
part
of
Crime
Victims
to
get
something
that
we're
responsible
for
giving
to
them.
Director
Comstock
welcome
right
here,
I
think
we
could
probably
stretch
another
hour
into
this
meeting
just.
S
For
you,
you
know
what
that
is.
Okay
for
those
who
don't
know,
I
used
to
actually
work
for
lrc
for
over
12
years,
so
Senator
Westerfield
used
to
be
my
Judiciary
chair.
So
thank
you
all
for
having
us
I
will
keep
this
short.
My
name
is
Katie
Comstock
I'm
I'm.
Now
the
new
director
of
Doc
and
yo
see
I
am
the
new
director
of
AOC.
You.
A
R
G
S
Ahead
first
I
want
to
reassure
you
all
that
AOC
believes
in
and
supports
victims
and
victim
notification,
as
they
alluded
to
for
over
14
years
we
worked
with
Doc
and
their
vendor
to
expand
Vine
to
do
Court,
notifications
and
agree.
It
worked.
The
problem
we
had
was
around
20
and
20
20
21.
We
started
hearing
from
the
vendor
that
they
were
changing
their
platform
and
the
way
they
were
doing
it,
instead
of
it
being
specific
to
a
specific
victim,
and
we
would
pull
that
information
and
we'd
provide
the
automatic
notifications
for
the
court
proceedings.
S
Instead
with
the
vendor
was
asking
for
was
saying.
Their
platform
now
needed
a
broader
set
of
information.
They
essentially
essentially
wanted
more
of
a
data
dump.
It
wasn't
specific
to
victims
for
certain
offenses.
They
wanted
all
the
court
data
and
it
was
a
very
broad
net.
So
the
information,
as
you
all
know,
court
records
can
be
very
sensitive
and
confidential
in
nature,
and
instead
it
threw
up
for
this
incredibly
broad
net.
They
could
be
your
sister,
your
neighbor,
anyone
that
you
can
imagine
or
anyone
in
this
room
that
would
have
had
those
offenses
was.
S
Absolutely
monetize
and
not
protect
it
to
be
quite
Frank,
because
that's
that's
a
lot
of
really
confidential
and
important
data,
as
you
all
have
seen,
because
our
AOC
data
has
already
been
mentioned
several
times
in
this
committee
meeting.
While
we
are
hesitant
to
provide
this
for
some
of
the
reasons
we
just
mentioned,
we
know
the
importance
of
victim
notification
and
we
worked
for
months
to
make
this
happen.
S
One
of
the
things
we
did
to
ensure
that
the
data
was
protected
was
to
include
language
that,
after
performing
a
search,
the
vendor
was
to
delete
our
court
records
data
and,
and
so
in
April
2021.
With
that
language
included
in
the
mou
we
signed
it,
we
are
hopeful.
We
want
to
do
exactly
what
the
prosecutors
do
victims
to
deserve
notification.
S
S
However,
I
don't
want
you
to
think
that
victims
aren't
notified
at
all.
It's
just
not
automatic
prosecutors
have
access
to
aoc's
courtnet.
It
provides
up-to-date
access
to
upcoming
Court
hearings,
24
hours
a
day,
and
we've
heard
from
some
Commonwealth
and
County
attorneys
that
again
it's
not
automatic,
that's
the
preferred
approach,
but
they
are
getting
timely,
not
reliable
information,
so
they
can
notify
victims
of
the
upcoming
hearings.
Now
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Beth,
who
will
very
quickly
talk
about
possible
Alternatives,
so.
G
Basically,
there
are
three
one:
we
figure
out
how
to
use
the
existing
agreement
and
meet
the
terms
and
conditions
of
those
agree
of
that
agreement.
Two
we
return
to
a
prior
model
that
we
used
using
courtnet
as
the
source
data
and
provide
only
the
data
for
that
specific
victim
and
that
specific
case
or
three
with
a
new
case
management
system
work
with
the
prosecutors
who,
hopefully
would
have
a
repository
where
they
could
receive
that
data.
Autumn
automatically
is
a
word
I
like
to
use
through
an
API
and
then
would
receive
that
notification.
G
A
I
I
want
to
have.
This
is
something
we
need
to
dig
more
into
and
need
to
hear
more
from
again
we're
not
giving
an
adequate
time
today.
A
But
I'm
I
want
to
have
an
ongoing
conversation
between
the
courts,
the
prosecutors,
both
associations
of
prosecutors
and
with
Justice
cabinet,
to
see
what
the
best
solution
of
those
three
is
and
what
the
price
tag
is
is
or
ought
to
be,
for
whichever
one
we're
going
to
pursue
or
we
can
fund-
or
maybe
one
leads
us
to
another,
but
the
The
Crime
Victims
ought
to
ought
to
be
able
to
benefit
from
the
system
that
that
functions
and
functions
well,
and
it
shouldn't
be
a
burden
on
them
to
get
the
information
again,
as
I
said
before,
that
that
we're
obligated
to
give
them
representative
name
is
thank.
N
You
I'm
I'm
glad
that
director
Comstock
is
here.
We
went
to
law
school
together,
I
have
high
hopes
for
for
the
future,
for
AOC
I
would
so
that
presentation
today
is
not
acceptable.
You
have
an
agreement
if
you
could,
if,
if
only
AOC
could
figure
out
a
way
to
find
a
judge
to
get
an
adjunction
I
think
it'd
be
pretty
simple.
We
have,
it
seems,
like
you
have
an
agreement
you
could
deal
with.
You
need
to
get
to
court.
This
is
not
acceptable.
This
information
needs
this.
This
should
be
fixed
by
Friday.
N
That's
tomorrow,
going
to
court
today
hold
them
accountable
to
the
agreement
that
you
that
they've
already
signed,
which
you
think
is
acceptable.
Aoc
also
monetizes.
This
data,
so
I,
don't
think
you
can
sit
there
and
act
like
it's,
not
a
question
of
money
to
you
as
well.
I,
don't
care
about
that!
All
I
care
about
is
the
victims
need
to
get
the
information.
You've
got
an
agreement
that
you
like,
if
they
won't,
if
they
won't
do
their
job
sue
them,
but
get
it
done
now.
A
S
No
I
mean
I
appreciate
what
you're
saying
representative
nemes
speaking
to
the
monetization
of
the
data.
If
I
don't
believe
we
do
but
I.
As
you
know,
I've
only
been
here
for
a
couple
of
months,
so
I
can't
speak
with
a
lot
of
information.
I,
don't
know
if
Beth
wants
to
speak
on
that
I
would
say
anything
that
again,
I
don't
believe
we
are,
but
I
can't
go
into
details.
N
We
have
a
whole
department
that
does
background
checks,
I'm
not
interested
in
that
question,
but
the
question
is,
it
needs
to
be
resolved.
You
can
go
to
Judge,
Shepard
and
judge
Wingate,
and
their
courts
are
open,
non-stop
electronically
file
on
your
wonderful
system
that
you
guys
have
created,
but
saying
that
you
don't
know
what
to
do
is
not
acceptable.
You
have
an
agreement,
enforce
the
agreement.
A
All
right,
thank
you
all!
Thank
you.
Steve
Jenny,
Joe,
I
appreciate
it.
Please
give
her.
My
thanks.
I
know
he's
in
trial,
he's
going
to
be
up
here
and
I
appreciate
that,
with
that
members
we're
not
going
to
take
up
the
proposed
regulation,
that's
on
your
agenda
on
item
number
seven.
A
Regrettably,
the
the
cabinet
has
not
decided
to
make
changes
that
are
consistent
with
what
we've
asked
for,
and
you
all
haven't
had
a
chance
to
see
what
they've
proposed,
which
is
not
quite
again
what
we
asked
for
and
since
you
all
have
an
interest,
I
didn't
get
it
until
yesterday,
myself,
so,
rather
than
finding
it
deficient
I'll,
let
you
all
see
it
and
we
might
change
the
statute
when
we
get
here
in
January
with
that
I
do
before
everybody
leaves
representative
nemis
wanted
to
have
the
Florida
to
speak
on
something
before
we
left
the
room.
A
N
N
He
was
killed
by
a
man.
Who's
out
on
felony
diversion
may
have
been
appropriate,
don't
know
we'll
get
into
that.
N
This
is
very,
very
difficult,
I'm,
not
making
lodging
it
log,
not
lobbying
any
allegations
at
that,
but
I'm
saying
that
I
look
at
this
beautiful
little
boy
and
I
want
to
remind
ourselves
that
this
is
why
we
are
here
when
we
talk
about
how
we,
how
we
help
criminals
that's
important,
but
it's
only
important
insofar
as
it
helps
that
little
boy
and
people
like
him,
people
who've,
committed
violent
crimes
have
forfeited
their
right
to
to
generosity.
We
only
are
generous
to
them
and
we
only
care
about
them.