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That's
a
good!
That's
a
good
Hammer!
Isn't
it
you
you
you
you
you,
like
my
makeshift
Hammer
right,
there's
a
joke
in
there
somewhere
I'm,
just
not
witty
enough
to
come
up
with
it
good
morning,
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
the
July
interim
joint
committee
on
agriculture,
meeting
Madam
Secretary.
Please
call
the
roll.
C
D
A
Have
a
quorum!
Thank
you
and
thanks
everybody
for
being
here
too
AG
committee
shows
up
will
enforce.
We
appreciate
that
I'd
like
to
start
this
also
by
everybody
standing
says
pledge.
A
Thank
you
before
we
get
started
any
members
that
have
guests
here
like
to
introduce
them
I'm
going
to
take
chair
privilege
and
go
first,
have
Dr
Bob
Jackson
here
with
Murray
State.
Contingency,
welcome
appreciate
you
being
here.
Anybody
else
have
any
guests.
They
want
to
introduce.
A
With
that,
we
have
a
need
for
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes.
From
our
last
meeting,
we
have
a
motion,
second
by
representative
cook,.
A
A
All
of
your
seasoned
veterans
at
this
please
announce
yourself
for
the
record
and
start.
However,
you
like.
J
And
I'm
going
to
work
from
here
state
representative,
Richard
Heath
from
District
2.
F
J
Okay,
we're
ready
to
start
I'm
going
to
kick
this
off
and
let
me
just
open
by
saying
thank
you
chairman
Howe,
the
members
of
the
AG
committee,
for
inviting
us
here
to
talk
about
House,
Bill,
19.,
I'm,
sorry,
house,
bill
nine.
D
J
Saw
Rebecca's
face
he's
like
the
number
chains
on
us.
Oh
so
the
acronym
for
this
bill
is
Grant
and
Grant
stands
for
government
resources,
accelerating
needed
transformation.
So
the
main
objective
of
the
grant
is
to
seize
on
an
extraordinary
opportunity
to
leverage
Kentucky
state
tax
dollars
with
significant
public
projects
that
will
Revitalize
our
rural
communities.
J
There's
three
billion
dollars
at
the
federal
level
that
has
been
authorized
towards
programs
aimed
at
economic
and
Workforce
Development
infrastructure,
substance
use,
disorder,
programs,
stem
education,
housing
and
many
many
more.
If
you
have
a
copy
of
the
bill
or
want
to
get
a
copy
of
the
bill.
I'll
refer
you
to
page
six
and
seven
there's
a
long
list
of
items
that
would
possibly
qualify
for
grant
funding
in
the
bill.
J
So
our
guests
have
already
introduced
themselves,
so
I
won't
go
through
that,
but
I
would
like
to
turn
it
over
to
Rebecca
and
ask
her
to
kind
of
bring
as
up
to
date
on
on
how
we
got
to
this
point
sure.
F
Grant
program
I
also
want
to
thank
everybody
at
the
table
for
making
the
journey
and
their
continued
work,
and
especially
to
Chairman
Heath
and
chairman
Petrie.
We
would
not
be
here
without
their
leadership,
so
I
thought
I'd.
Do
a
quick
wrap
up
of
sort
of
the
impetus
for
House,
Bill
9
and
the
grant
program.
Last
November,
we
learned
through
our
client
Grant
ready,
Kentucky,
that
over
three
trillion
dollars
in
federal
funding
was
coming
down.
The
pipeline
infrastructure
chairman
he
touched
on
it.
F
Housing
stem
cell
stem
education,
substance
use,
recovery
programs,
you
name
it
there's
funding
for
it
really
and
truly,
and
it's
a
lot
of
it's
in
the
form
of
Grants.
What
was
perhaps
most
compelling
and
interesting
for
Kentucky
is
that
the
federal
government,
through
an
inner
working
agency
group,
has
identified
25
areas
across
the
country
that
need
economic
vitalization
due
to
job
losses
and
downturns
associated
with
the
fossil
fuel
industry,
so
coal
mines,
coal,
power
plants,
oil
and
gas.
F
All
of
those
things
that
these
this
is
a
map
of
the
25
areas
you
can
see
roughly
what's
most
interesting
is
that
they
are
prioritizing
funding
that
funding
I
just
mentioned
a
lot
of
it
for
these
25
areas
and
Kentucky
has
two
number
two
on
that
list
of
25
is
a
collection
of
21
counties
in
Eastern
Kentucky
number.
Six
on
that
list
is
a
collection
of
20
counties
in
Western
Kentucky.
This
is
the
map.
F
This
is
fantastic
right,
amazing,
Federal,
funding
coming
down
to
help
us
Revitalize
these
areas,
but
there
is
a
caveat.
Most
federal
grants
require
a
match
right
and
you're
targeting
25
areas
that
are
already
struggling,
so
they
can't
come
up
with
10
percent
right
to
50
of
what
the
maybe
the
match
requires
even
more
at
times.
So
how
do
we
solve
this?
What's
the
solution?
I
saw
other
states
in
particular,
neighboring
states,
creating
funds
at
the
state
level.
F
That
could
be
used
for
the
match
for
those
federal
grants,
Indiana
appropriated
500
million
two
years
ago,
Ohio
appropriated
500
million
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
West
Virginia,
just
about
a
year
ago,
a
little
less
appropriate
250
million
in
a
state
fund
that
can
be
used
to
leverage
the
mission
being
to
capture
these
federal
dollars
and
any
other
private
investment
and
help
these
areas
Revitalize
these
areas.
So
here
we
are
at
the
Grantville.
I
went
to
representative
Heath
and
representative
Petrie
total,
and
then
we
got
to
got
to
work
right.
D
L
F
How
does
it
work
so
what
the
process
is
is
that
any
local
government,
a
non-profit
or
area
development,
District
or
Coalition
of
those
entities
can
apply
to
the
state
for
the
matching
component
of
a
Federal
grant.
How
that
works
is
that
any
of
those
entities
figures
out
the
sort
of
Federal
grant
opportunity
it
starts
at
application.
F
F
F
We've
been
working
really
hard
since
session.
At
the
request
of
chairman
Petrie
we've
created
a
working
group.
Sort
of
the
purpose
here
is
a
critical
mass
of
people
who
are
consistently
informed
and
collaborate
and
share
information
opportunities
about
the
grant
program.
What's
going
on
at
the
federal
level,
any
workshops
for
Education
any
seminars,
anything
of
that
nature
and
we've
got
representatives
from
the
ads
from
the
Department
of
local
government.
F
Universities
are
involved,
our
federal
contingencies,
involved,
Grant
professionals,
associations
of
local
governments,
it's
a
whole
host
of
people
and
it's
been
really
really
wonderful
to
work
in
concert
with
them
on,
as
we
meet
monthly
a
lot
of
conversations
in
between
a
lot
of
phone
calls
in
between.
But
it's
been
really
really
productive.
So
far,
I
can
tell
you
that,
just
next
week
we
have
a
wonderful
programming.
We've
got
on
Tuesday
our
monthly
Cadence
again
Wednesday.
We
have
a
the
ads.
F
The
three
Western
Kentucky
area
development
districts
are
putting
on
a
workshop
for
house
bill
nine
in
the
grant
program
we're
bringing
down
the
deputy
director
of
the
inner
working
agency
group
that
I
mentioned,
as
well
as
other
Federal
officials
to
inform
us
more
and
it's
the
website.
Actually,
the
energycommunities.gov,
the
federal
website
just
put
our
registration
link
on
yesterday,
so
I
expect
that
it's
going
to
be
really
well
attended.
F
Thursday,
Hannah,
Conover
who's,
the
executive
director
for
Grant,
running
Kentucky
and
I
will
be
talking
to
the
Kentucky
nonprofit
Network
about
House
Bill
9
and
the
grant
program
giving
updates
to
the
nonprofits
there.
Any
non-profit
who
is
a
member
or
who
wants
to
be
a
member
of
the
Kentucky
non-profit
Network
can
attend
and
and
listen
in
so
we've
got
all
the
information
there.
If
you,
if
you
want
to
do
that,
so
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Billy.
She
can
tell
you
about
what's
going
on
with
the
department
for
local
government
and
then
the
ads.
G
You
I
think
everything
that
Rebecca
says:
I
can
Echo
that,
and
we
do
appreciate
this
body
for
giving
this
opportunity
for
a
lot
of
communities.
I
think
this
is
a
game
changer.
We
know
it
is
dealing
with
the
local
governments
that
we
do
at
department
for
local
government.
We
know
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
game
changer
for
them.
We
always
have
different
types
of
Grants
through
our
department
that
require
match
funding.
So
we
know
how
important
this
is,
because
this
has
been
a
deterrent
for
our
local
community.
G
G
H
As
part
of
our
presentation,
I
was
asked,
as
Eric
was
to
to
kind
of
go
through
what
types
of
projects
we
had
already
in
existence.
Without
you
know,
people
coming
up
with
things
our
area
is
surrounded
on
three
sides
with
water,
so
our
people
have
been
working
very
diligently,
have
applications
currently
already
in
with
the
pi
or
pdip,
and
the
build
programs
for
Port
facilities
along
in
Hickman,
which
is
in
Fulton,
County
and
Ballard.
H
H
I
can
answer
questions
about
if
specific
types
of
projects,
but
what
we've
seen
is
most
of
the
money
that
we
are
chasing
the
bigger
money,
the
product
money
that
would
be
problematic
for
our
communities
to
come
up
with
matching
funds,
Transportation
type
dollars,
because
you
know
the
money
is
out
there.
We
were
with
one
of
the
groups.
Last
week
in
DC,
went
to
murad's
office
there
at
the
usdot
and
they
were
giving
us.
J
H
Know
they
named
15
other
programs.
If
you
consider
you're
looking
at
this,
so
the
money
is
out
there
and
and
it'll
all
it's.
You
know
you
say
20
match,
but
when
you're
dealing
with
20
million
dollars,
20
matches
is
pretty
hard
for
a
small
County
to
come
up
with
and
the
river
counties
along
the
Mississippi
range
from
you
know:
4
300
in
population
to
8
000
in
population.
So
you're
not
talking
about
a
lot
of
people
in
that
little
bit
of
area.
I
Yeah
yeah
I'm
in
the
same
situation
as
Jeremy
is
I'm
Far
East
cover
Floyd
Johnson
McGuffin
Martin
in
Pike
County.
I
As
you
know,
from
the
last
15
years,
the
coal
industry
in
Eastern
Kentucky
has
continued
to
decline
in
almost
non-existent
and
with
that
a
lot
of
the
co-severage
dollars
that
the
East
were
to
receive
was
used
a
lot
for
match
for
other
projects
with
that
Revenue
stream,
almost
not
there
anymore,
trying
to
find
20
match,
or
in
some
cases
some
agencies
require
up
to
50
percent.
It's
it's
difficult
for
some
of
our
communities
to
come
up
with
that
match
requirement
on
projects
that
are
desperately
needed
in
the
East.
I
A
lot
of
our
projects
are
infrastructure,
water,
sewer,
all
those
properties
and
our.
I
I
Still
in
Jeremy
before
when
we
before
we
came
in
we're
trying
to,
we
are
completing
a
3,
100
square
foot,
new
senior
Assistance
Center
in
Pikeville
Kentucky
and
with
the
supply
shortage
and
increase
the
material
labor
that
3
100
square
foot
building
is
costing
one
million
nine
hundred
and
eighty
thousand
dollars
to
build.
So
when
you've
got
to
come
out
with
a
match,
just
so
happened,
they
happen
to
have
enough
co-service
to
match
that
cdbg
project
and
how
they
were
able
to
free.
I
I
The
existing
systems
love
those
water
lines
and
Sewer
lines
that
are
in
place
are
60
to
75
years
old,
they've,
deteriorated
leaks,
you
know,
as
some
of
our
water
systems
are
experienced
as
much
as
80
percent
water
loss
just
due
to
the
Aging
infrastructure.
A
lot
of
that
needs
to
be
replaced,
upgraded,
like
I,
said
it
into
meet
some
of
the
current
regulations
that
we
have
now
that
they're
incapable
of
doing
that.
So
it
would
be
a
big
help
to
have
this
These
funds
to
to
fund
these
projects
in
our
area.
M
K
K
That's
law
the
executive
order
from
the
presidential
executive
order
that
came
back
in
2021
is
out
there.
That
executive
order
creates
that
pool
of
federal
grants
that
are
available
fast
approaching
a
trillion
dollars
worth
of
Grants.
That's
a
trillion
spelled
with
a
t
trillion
dollars
worth
of
Grants
near
Broad
in
scope
and
applicability.
So
you're
here
at
Riverport,
you'll
hear
a
complex
you'll,
hear
Workforce
programs,
all
kinds
of
things
and
I
even
hesitate
to
put
labels
out
there,
because
the
possibilities
can
be
broader
than
what
I'm
going
to
say.
K
So
what
I've
been
encouraging
everyone
to
do
is
through
their
ads,
go
to
energycommunities.gov,
go
to
those
type
things
get
to
looking
and
go
through
your
ads,
because
it's
really
he's
been
tasked
through
house
bill.
Nine
to
look
at
those
things
help
identify
the
possibilities,
connect
that
to
local
needs,
local
planning,
and
on
that
point
this
is
not
just
for
how
do
we
make
better
sidewalks
sidewalks
are
great,
but
it's
not
just
for
that.
These
are
things
that
I
would
encourage
people
to
think
about
in
these
communities.
K
You
were
either
a
second
tier
preference
or
a
sixth
tier
preference
in
the
country
for
receiving
these
grants.
You
may
be
able
to
get
to
things
for
which
you
have
never
been
able
to
even
plan
that
were
available
to
get
your
community
built
back
up
or
your
economic
part
of
your
community
built
back
up
in
a
way
that
you've
not
even
been
able
to
think
it's
never
been
on
the
table.
K
So
those
grants
are
large,
broad,
big
dollar
figures.
We
have
high
preferences
in
these
counties,
so
we're
encouraging
people-
and
that's
part
of
what's
going
on
now-
is
encouraging
people
to
get
started
with
the
ads
and
help
identify
these
things
see
what's
real
world
possibility
of
it
for
those
of
you
that
have
any
connection
to
the
counties
that
were
highlighted
previously,
those
are
those
High
tier
preference
counties.
Now
we'll
clarify
this
at
the
federal
side,
anybody
can
apply
for
these
grants.
K
Private
non-profit
public
government
there's
a
lot
of
different
grants
out
there.
That's
the
Federal
grant
program
now
House
Bill
9
references
that
grant
program,
but
it's
not
it
so
at
the
state
level
we've
hit
what's
been
mentioned
here
several
times,
it's
great
for
any
particular
County,
Community
or
non-profit
in
Kentucky
to
go
hey,
there's
a
set
of
Grants
up
there
near
a
trillion
dollars.
K
We've
got
some
really
good
things
we
think
will
be
extraordinarily
helpful
to
our
communities,
but
it's
a
10
million
dollar
Grant
with
a
30
percent
match
a
20
match
a
10
percent
match
Mrs
off
the
table.
Forget
it
move
on
okay,
because
we've
got
such
high
preference.
These
things
to
be
so
broadly
used.
Then
that's
where
House
Bill,
9
picks
up
and
goes.
We've
got
some
structure
of
how
to
get
to
the
grants
and
how
to
help
and
assist
and
process
and
identify.
But
then
the
most
important
piece
is
a
pool
of
money.
K
That's
set
off
to
the
side
that
can
be
obligated
through
dlg,
with
statutory
factors
to
go
to
the
applicants
and
be
their
match.
So
now
you
have
a
10
million
dollar
application
for
a
Federal
grant
with
a
50
percent,
match
five
million
dollars,
naming
cities
and
counties
in
these
areas.
That
can
come
up
with
that
yeah,
but
they're
not
stopped
at
that
point.
If
it's
a
great
Grant,
then
you
go
to
dlg.
K
If
you
meet
the
statutory
criteria,
which
are
not
that
onerous
we're
trying
to
get
the
money
obligated
and
get
these
grants
successful,
then
dlg
can
obligate
that
money
and
you
can
proceed
with
your
Grant
you're
successful
the
money's
dire.
There
is
no
callback.
There
is
no
payback.
There
are
no
strings
attached
to
that.
Okay,
I
think
usually
in
groups.
I
have
to
repeat
this
three
times.
Okay,
this
is
unique.
K
The
grants
that
are
available
at
the
federal
level
are
probably
once
in
a
lifetime
set
of
Grants,
what's
been
set
up,
their
house
bill
not
as
far
as
the
pool
that
can
make
the
applicant
match,
maybe
unique
one
time
so
I'm
encouraging
people
to
take
advantage
of
it.
Now
there
are
going
to
be
several
of
you
on
the
committee
and
outlist
and
well
I'm,
not
in
those
counties,
but
especially
in
here.
K
You
need
to
think
about
this
so
anytime
that
we've
got
a
river
port,
a
water
issue
or
something
that
we're
going
to
have
to
adjust
and
get
ready
for
Budget
wise
some
point,
some
fashion
and
they're
in
these
41
counties,
whatever
portion
of
the
Federal
grant,
can
cover
that
it's
going
to
be
cheaper
than
general
fund
Covenant
in
its
entirety,
which
frees
up
money
for
us
to
look
at
other
counties.
So,
for
instance,
when
someone
emailed
something
the
other
day
about
a
project
which
was
a
laudable
project,
something
you
would
normally
consider.
K
But
my
first
response
was:
you
are
in
a
county
that
is
designated
by
federal
for
these
grants
and
House
Bill
9
has
a
mechanism
to
pay
your
match.
The
first
place
you
need
to
go
is
look
at
this
before
talking
to
a
r
about
getting
general
fund
money
to
assist
you
because
likely
the
project
they
were
talking
about
would
qualify
for
one
of
these
grants
and
the
match
would
come
through,
but
that
helps
free
up
dollars.
Elsewhere
for
other
people
now
try
to
make
this
the
last
thing.
K
The
general
assembly
is
not
set
up,
House
Bill
9
to
do
other
than
Supply
the
match
money
on
the
grant
not
to
support
that
project
from
then
on,
so
be
careful
in
your
planning.
I,
try
not
to
narrow
it
down,
but
when
you're
talking
to
people
think
broad
think
foundational
think
transformational,
but
also
make
sure
that
you
have
the
operational
budgeting
mechanisms
to
support
it
thereafter
on
your
own
now
last
this
is
last.
Is
this
the
second
or
third?
Last
all
right?
So
this
is
last.
K
So
why
am
I
and
others
pushing
on
this
so
much
when
the
bill
just
passed
in
2023?
Okay,
we
put
in
two
million
dollars
into
the
house
bill
9
pool,
that's
really
not
intended
to
meet
people's
matches.
That's
an
intention
of
a
placeholder
we're
serious
about
it.
We're
going
to
be
looking
at
it
hint
hint.
K
K
Okay,
but
we
can't
gauge
how
much
money
we're
going
to
need
to
consider
putting
into
that
pool
unless
we
have
an
idea.
In
my
estimation,
what
the
true
demand
is
for
that,
so
you
heard
Rebecca
say
something
about
200
400,
500,
600
million
in
other
states.
Great,
that's
other
states,
I'm,
looking
at
everybody
in
this
committee
and
everybody
that's
in
these
counties
and
anybody
that's
thinking
about
these
grants,
I,
don't
really
care
about
what
the
other
states
did.
K
N
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
thank
you
all
for
being
here
this
morning,
A
lot
of
times
Federal
priorities
and
values,
don't
exactly
line
up
with
Kentucky
priorities
and
values.
So
I
just
ask
now
that
this
is
in
place.
I
totally
support,
House,
Bill
9,
but
please
be
on
your
toes
and
look
out
for
and
not
obligate
Kentucky,
with
drawdown
federal
dollars,
they're
going
to
obligate
us
to
things
as
chair
Petrie
mentioned,
going
into
the
future
obligating
Us
in
in
ways
that
maybe
we
wouldn't
have
chosen
on
our
own,
so
I.
N
A
Thank
you.
That's
a
good
reminder
on
your
economics
professors,
there's
no
such
thing
as
a
free
lunch,
Senator,
West,
I
believe
who's.
Next,
thank.
O
You
Mr
chairman,
just
making
sure
I
heard
you
correctly
if
a
community
wants
to
match
and
they
don't
want
to
wait,
there's
nothing
holding
them
back
from.
F
Going
ahead
and
proceeding,
Matt
go
for
it
and
in
fact
I
should
mention.
The
energycommunities.gov
website
is
a
phenomenal
resource.
Usually
it
takes
about
41
websites
for
you
to
actually
find
that
Grant
opportunity.
It's
incredibly
tedious
that
energycommunities.gov
that
the
inwg
has
created
is
a
Clearinghouse,
so
you
can
see
all
the
available
opportunities.
You
can
drop
down,
look
by
housing,
look
by
infrastructure
projects,
transportation,
and
so
you
have
a
really
good
understanding.
The
other
thing
that
I
also
want
to
mention
to
your
point.
K
Even
those
that
have
matching
requirements
there's
nothing
to
prevent
you
from
moving
forward
again.
That
grant
program
with
the
feds
stands
on
its
own
house.
Bill
on
just
assists
those
that
want
to
pursue
it
as
well
as
provide
match,
but
there
is
nothing
prevents
it
and,
from
a
from
a
budgeting
standpoint
have
at
it,
spend
all
your
money
that
you
want
to
before
we
get
to
the
states
buddy.
O
If
it's
a
construction
project,
it
may
be
more
expensive
to
wait,
but
the
second
question:
Mr
chairman,
that's
okay,
sure
of
the
trillion
dollars.
Have
you
done
any
work
as
far
as
identifying
how
much
Kentucky
could
pull
down?
Is
there
a
cap
for
Kentucky
or
do
you
know
what
that
number
is
as.
K
K
O
K
A
You
chair,
Petry
I,
want
to
follow
up
on
something
Cinder
West
asked
about
if
you've
got
something
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
go
forward
a
lot
of
the
federal
issues
that
I've
seen
have
limitations.
You
have
to
start
with
this.
A
If
you're
going
to
finish
with
us,
if
there's
something
that's
already
in
the
pre-planning
or
has
already
through
the
process
to
some
level,
is
there
any
prohibition
about
com
for
lack
of
a
better
word,
converting
it
into
a
grant
program,
kind
of
running
the
ideas
side
by
side
and
merging
them
somewhere
down
the
line?
Is
there
any
prohibition
on
that
I.
K
Don't
say:
there's
an
explicit
prohibition,
but
the
design
of
House
Bill
nod
is
not
set
to
go
back
and
meet
match
thoughts
and
applications
that
were
in
the
past.
It's
really
prospective
in
the
way
that
it
looks
at
it
gauges
that
need
gauges.
That
Spectrum
try
to
figure
out
what
everybody's
looking
at
and
then
go
put
in
the
right
amount
of
money.
This
is
all
a
prospective
look
now.
Is
there
anything
that
specifically
prohibits
it?
K
D
F
K
Yep,
so
you
can
understand
other
states
that
Rebecca
mentioned
earlier
are
a
year
year
and
a
half
ahead
of
us,
so
we
got
to
start
on
as
fast
as
we
could
now.
You
understand
why
we're
really
beating
the
bushes
about
getting
demand,
so
we
could
figure
out
what
dollar
figures
we
need
to
be
considered
for
the
24
budget
so
that
we
can
push
this
stuff
along
and
take
full
advantage
of
the
limited
window
of
opportunity
and.
F
Indiana
set
aside
that
500
million
dollars
with
the
same
Mission
their
structure
of
their
programs
very
different
just
because
states
are
different
with
different
institutions
and
processes,
but
within
a
year
they
had
drawn
down
9.86
billion
in
federal
and
private
investment
and
Governor
Holcomb
said
this
has
been
so
successful,
we're
going
to
appropriate
another
500
million,
which
they
did
in
April
of
this
year.
That
became
active
on
July
1st,
so
Indiana's
set
aside
a
billion
dollars
in
state
funding
to
go
after
this
type
of
funding.
K
Now
I'll
just
point
out:
their
population
is
different
than
us
and
again
I'm,
not
necessarily
looking
at
what
other
states
have
done.
But
you
get
an
order
of
magnitude
of
interest
and
if
you
look
at
Indiana
how
much
of
their
state
is
highlighted
and
they're
willing
to
invest
once
twice
with
a
good
return.
Look,
how
much
of
our
state
is
involved
and.
P
Good
morning
well,
I
represent
District
number
eight
and,
according
to
this
math
I
think
it's
held
on
white
I.
Think
that's.
That
may
be
a
good
thing,
but
just
for
clarification.
So
if
you
are
a
non-designated
county,
that's
represented
by
the
Light
here
you
you
are
able,
but
it's
just
less
likely
that
you
get
the
grants
that
basically
what
it
boils
down
to.
F
Something
right
you
have
to
collaborate.
So
if
you
want
to
apply,
say,
Davis,
hello,
Owensboro
and,
and
certainly
a
lot
of
jobs
in
oil
and
gas.
I
grew
up
in
that
industry
because
it
was
a
metro
area.
Same
happened
to
Henderson,
wasn't
included
on
the
list.
That's
that's
why!
F
K
A
K
So,
for
instance,
at
the
federal
level,
those
in
blue
in
the
East
have
a
second
tier
preference
in
the
country.
Those
blue
in
the
west
of
Kentucky
have
a
six
tier
preference.
The
ones
in
the
white
have
no
preference,
so
when
you're
making
your
federal
application,
you
would
want
blue
associated
with
your
primary
applicant
I
would
think
relative
to
terms
of
house
bill
nine.
Now
there
may
be
some
statutory
modifications,
but
the
thought
process
has
always
been.
K
We
want
to
put
state
general
fund
money
in
this
pool
for
obligation
to
assist
where
there's
the
greatest
opportunity
for
return
on
investment.
So
there
is
a
definite
in
my
there's,
a
qualitative
difference
between
account
non-preference
to
County,
making
the
application
or
non
referenced
entity
an
entity
in
one
of
those
counties
making
that
application
ask
for
State
money,
as
opposed
to
you
have
to
think.
K
If
you
have
a
lot
of
entities
in
non-preferenced
counties
seeking
general
fund
dollars
to
assist
them,
then
there's
a
lot
less
money
in
the
general
fund
pool
to
assist
those
that
have
second
and
sixth
tier
preference.
I
would
hate
to
cut
out
some
of
the
blue
ones
that
have
the
most
likelihood
of
being
granted
those
federal
dollars
not
because
they
couldn't
meet
the
match.
The
pool
wasn't
big
enough
for
them.
Thank.
A
You
Senator
Chambers
Armstrong.
Q
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
and
you
actually
asked
my
first
question.
I
was
going
to
ask
about
having
non-preference
counties
collaborating
your
answer
did
bring
up
another
question,
which
is:
is
there
any
preference
given
for
a
larger
number
of
counties
applying
so
do
we
think
that
there
is
a
greater
likelihood
of
a
project
being
funded?
If
say,
10
counties
in
Appalachia
get
together
and
say
we
want
to
do
water,
treatment
issues
and
water
infrastructure,
as
opposed
to
those
10
counties
applying
individually.
So.
K
Again,
I
would
separate
that
in
the
federal
and
state
analysis
at
the
federal
level,
I
don't
know
and
I
would
suggest,
trying
to
attend,
having
someone
to
attend
the
training
session,
six
hours,
long
and
Murray
next
Wednesday
or
the
one
that's
being
scheduled
in
the
East
for
the
same
purposes,
training
session
and
see
what
those
Federal
authorities
say.
Generally
state
government
and
generally
federal
government
tends
to
preference
larger
Regional
projects
that
have
broader
outcomes
and
when
you
look
at
the
executive
order
and
the
reasoning
behind
this
program,
it
thinks
and
talks
in
those
terms.
K
F
I'll
just
add
to
that,
and
we
actually
had
a
federal
official
come
down
at
the
County
Judge
executive's
conference
not
long
ago,
and
there
needs
to
be
more
clarity
to
this,
but
he
certainly
said
that,
looking
at
collaboration,
the
more
impact
that
you
have,
the
broader
in
scope
in
terms
of
the
impact
has
a
higher
likelihood
of
success.
But
that's
also
subject
to
sort
of
the
particular
agency,
the
type
of
Grant
you're
going
after.
F
Q
A
You
I
had
a
follow-up
on
that
too
I'm,
starting
to
you,
see
a
trend
of
land
developing
here.
Don't
you?
What
about
that
imaginary
line
on
a
map
that
separates
us
from
other
states?
That's
a
really
big
in
my
area!
So
it's
kind
of
personal
to
me.
A
If
we
have
a
project
that
needs
some
collaboration
or
something
with
with
a
Tennessee
county,
does
that
is
it
just
an
extra
layer
that
we
have
to
deal
with
or
or
is
there
an
exclusionary
issue
if
Callaway
County
needs
to
partner
with
Henry
County
for
Tennessee
county
Tennessee,
for
something
is
that
is
that
something
that
can
be
done?
I'll
put
you
on
the
spot
there
on
answering
a
question,
but.
K
F
What
we
call
rapid
response
teams
that
the
inner
working
agency
has
established
and
there's
four
in
the
country
right
now,
they're
looking
to
establish
one
actually
in
sort
of
the
Eastern
portion,
kind
of
east
east
Kentucky,
West
Virginia
area,
but
the
Illinois
Basin
has
one,
and
so
they
work
all
together
in
concert
with
Indiana,
Illinois,
Missouri
and
Kentucky
on
all
those
sort
of
bordering
areas
to
sort
of
create
a
little
more
Synergy
in
terms
of
going
after
projects
and
what's
available.
So
that
is
something
to
look
for
in
your
in
your
domain.
I
believe
not.
F
A
That
route,
thank
you,
representative,
stalker.
M
Good
morning,
my
question
is
to
the
comment
that
was
made
earlier
by
representative
Petrie,
about
keeping
in
mind
that
there
will
not
be
future
support
that
these
are
one-time
allocations
of
funds,
which
makes
me
wonder
specifically
for
our
non-profit
organizations.
What
requirements,
if
any,
will
applicants
have
to
meet
financially
to
show
the
ability
to
provide
funds
for
future
sustainability?
M
K
At
all
good
question,
as
far
as
statutory
factors
written
into
house
bill,
nine
for
consideration
of
obligation
of
the
general
fund
match
I'm,
not
sure
that
we're
looking
much
on
operational.
This
is
more
of
an
admonition
from
Jason
Petrie
talking
about
budget.
Do
not
look
for
future
support
of
projects
or
programs
that
you
take
on
through
these
one-time
monies.
Does
that
make
sense.
M
K
Project
in
those
communities,
so,
for
instance,
I've,
had
conversations
on
specific
projects
where
there
would
be
increased
operational
cost
to
something
that's
already
going
on,
but
for
them
to
get
to
the
next
tier
of
delivery
of
services.
They
need
that
one-time
infusion
to
get
there
and
what
I've
talked
with
them
about
is
this:
do
not
count
on
general
fund
money
to
support
your
operational
budget
needs
thereafter.
A
Thank
you
anyone
else.
These
are
good
questions.
I'd
appreciate.
Did
anyone
else,
have
any
questions
for
anyone
on
the
panel
anything
that
any
of
you
haven't
touched
on
on
this
that
you
would
like
to
bring
up.
Is
there
any
other
issue?
Please
chairman
Petrie,
don't
take
us
too
far
down
some
of
these
rabbit
holes,
I.
A
Yeah,
we
won't
go
into
some
of
that.
Germany.
J
I
wanted
to
go
back
now
that
we've
had
a
chance
to
go
through
this
I've
I
have
a
copy
of
House
Bill
9
with
me.
It's
only
10
pages,
but
I
really
encourage
you.
If
you
haven't
looked
at
it
to
go
to
page
six
and
seven
section
six
and
is
a
long
list
of
projects,
if
nothing
else,
it
will
get
you
to
thinking
about
what
is
possible.
This
is
not
all
inclusive,
but
it.
It
amazes
me
the
broad
brush
that
was
used
to
paint
this
with
and
what
all
can
be
used.
J
So
don't
short
yourself:
if
you're
thinking
about
a
project
you're
serious
about
it,
fill
out
the
grant
apply
for
it
don't
be
the
one
who
I
guess:
Cuts
your
community
short.
Let
the
feds
tell
you,
no,
your
Grant
doesn't
qualify,
you
don't
be
the
one
to
make
that
decision.
You
know
if
you
think
yeah,
there's
a
possibility,
go
ahead
and
apply
for
it
and
and
let
the
the
ones
who
I
guess
screen
the
applications
make
those
decisions.
F
Out
in
Murray
that'd
be
great
for
the
the
workshop
that
the
ads
are
putting
on
there
and
also
on
Thursday
the
Kentucky
nonprofit
Network
share
those
with
you
as
well,
so
that
you
can
send
those
around
and
and
potentially
attend.
If
you
like,.
A
Yeah,
thank
you,
Rebecca.
That
was
what
I
was
going
to
say
to
the
end,
appreciate
president
Jackson
to
Murray
State
for
agreeing
to
host
this
and
doing
the
leg
work
for
that
I
would
encourage
everyone
to
come.
That
has
any
interest
in
this
just
like
I
would
encourage
anyone
to
always
come
to
Murray
and
Murray
State
to
to
visit
and
see
what
we
have
going
on
there
there's
my
Shameless
plug
for
that
part.
In
all
seriousness,
we
appreciate
all
the
hard
work
you've
done.
A
This
is
a
good
opportunity
for
a
lot
of
our
our
Commonwealth
and
I
know.
You've
done
a
lot
of
hard
work
with
this,
and
we
appreciate
that
and
appreciate
all
the
hard
work
left
to
go,
and
this
will
be
something
that
has
a
much
better,
better
opportunity
to
return
things,
and
we
appreciate
all
of
that.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
A
E
So
you
all
probably
are
aware
of
the
challenge
we
have
with
invasive
carp
in
Kentucky,
and
so
what
we're
committed
to
is
a
better
Kentucky
in
spite
of
what
we're
going
to
have
to
deal
with
with
Asian
carp.
So
what
we
could
do
is
we
could
get
a
bulldozer,
go
to
State
Property,
dig
a
big
hole
and
variation
carb.
E
However,
what
we
have
done
as
we've
created
industry
we've,
we've
worked
with
a
lot
of
people.
We've
we've
gotten
to
a
place
where
there's
a
lot
of
innovative
people
that
want
to
help
us
this
problem.
For
example,
we
have
people
that
want
to
use
these
for
lobster
bait
and
they're
doing
that,
and
so
they
go
to
the
Northeast
and
take
these
fish
up
there.
They
come
back
with
lobster
and
sell
in
the
local
area.
So
it's
it's
pretty
Innovative.
E
We
also
have
fertilizer,
that's
been
made
out
of
Asian
carp,
and
then
we
have
animal
and
human
grade
consumption
which
in
other
parts
of
the
world
a
lot
of
people.
This
is
a
big
part
of
their
their
diet,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
any
of
you
all
saw,
but
we
shocked
it
was
Kentucky
or
Barkley
Lake
a
viral
video.
This
thing
went
around
the
world,
millions
and
millions
views
and-
and
so
we're
getting
a
lot
of
attention
here
in
Kentucky
but
but
I'm
proud
to
say.
E
During
my
tenure
we've
removed
about
34
million
pounds,
we
have
steady
markets,
we
have
a
lot
of
fishermen.
These
commercial
fishermen
need
to
be
thanked
because
we
didn't
have
them.
This
is
not
something
we
have
the
resources
of
state
agency
to
achieve,
and
so
a
lot
of
these
people
have
invested
in
Kentucky
quit
their
jobs,
bought
boats,
they're
they're,
going
out
here,
they're,
making
a
decent
living
doing
this
entire
families,
and
so
Dave
and
I've
been
on
some
trips
with
some
of
these
fishermen.
E
Good
hard-working
people
and
I
really
appreciate
the
fact
that
they've
invested
in
Kentucky,
but
another
thing,
I
think
Dave
will
touch
on
there's
a
subsidy
available
federal
dollars,
and
so
this
makes
it
a
bit
more
attractive
for
these
people
to
come
into
Kentucky
and
remove
fish,
but
I'll.
Let
Dave
just
for
the
sake
of
time,
give
us
some
history
and
a
quick
update.
Thank
you
all.
R
Thank
you,
commissioner,
and
glad
to
be
with
you
today,
ladies
and
gentlemen.
So
what
are?
What
are
our
invasive
carbs,
so
invasive
Carper,
there's
four
species
of
carp
that
are
considered
in
that
category
of
invasive
carp
that
we
talk
about.
There's
big
head
carp:
grass,
carp,
black
carp,
silver,
carp,
silver!
Carp
are
the
species
that
are
that
get
a
lot
of
notoriety
because
they
jump
out
of
the
water.
They
have
the
potential
to
injure
recreational
boaters.
R
They
have
the
potential
to
interfere
with
our
sport,
fish
populations,
and
so
those
are
the
main
reasons.
Why
we're
we're
really
concerned
about
these
invasive
carp
and
and
these
invasive
carp
are
in
the
entire
Mississippi
River
Basin,
so
they're
they're,
obviously
very
prominent
in
in
the
Mississippi
River
up
towards
the
Great
Lakes.
You
hear
a
lot
about
them,
trying
to
keep
invasive
carp
out
of
the
Great
Lakes,
the
federal
government.
It's.
J
R
Know
expending
billions
of
dollars
to
to
do
that,
and-
and
so
we
we
in
Kentucky,
have
have
been
at
the
Forefront
of
trying
to
get
Federal
attention
to
our
efforts
here
and
since
2013,
we've
really
just
gradually
ramped
up
the
efforts
that
we've
been
doing.
R
These
Corp
got
to
the
Mississippi
River
by
being
introduced
into
ponds
in
in
Arkansas,
to
control,
algae
and
and
control,
algae
and
wastewater
treatment,
ponds
and
catfish
ponds,
and
then
they
got
into
the
Mississippi
River
and
then
they've
just
gradually
expanded
one
of
the
unique
things
about
these
species
is
they
need
current
for
their
eggs
to
to
survive
so,
for
example,
in
Kentucky
and
Barkley
Lakes.
We
don't
see
them
reproducing
in
there,
but
they
are
coming
in
from
Downstream
from
the
Ohio
River
from
they
get
into
the
Tennessee
River.
R
The
Cumberland
River
they're
in
the
Kentucky
River
and
they're
gradually
continuing
to
move
Upstream.
So
they
have
a
potential
to
negatively
impact
over
the
three
billion
dollar
recreational
fishing
and
boating
industry
in
Kentucky.
So
we
we
sell
around
550
000
fishing
licenses
a
year.
It's
about
a
1.2
billion
dollar
fishing
industry
and
the
Boating
industry
is
about
1.9
billion,
with
1.2
million
boaters
in
Kentucky,
so
has
it
has
the
potential
to
significantly
impact
that
large
industry?
So
what
what
have
we
been
doing
since
25
13?
R
We
started
with
trying
to
get
more
notoriety
for
the
problem
and
for
what
we
think
can
be
the
solution
and
really
the
The
Only
Solution.
That's
really
viable
at
this
point
in
time.
Is
commercial
fishing
to
try
to
fish
these
populations
down?
There's
a
lot
of
research
going
on
federally
and
in
various
states
around
the
country
to
try
to
figure
out
other
means
to
kind
of
control.
These
and
that's
that's,
been
helpful
information
for
not
only
for
determining
how
to
control
them
with
other
means,
but
also
how
to
best
apply
commercial
fishing
to
these.
R
These
fish
in
March
of
2013,
Kentucky
Department
of
Fish
and
Wildlife
hosted
cart,
Madness,
which
is
the
first
ever
to
our
knowledge,
commercial
fishing
tournament.
So
it
was
a
tournament
designed
to
tr
to
have
commercial
fishermen
compete
for
the
amount
of
fish
that
they
could
catch,
and
this
was
to
raise
their
awareness
about
the
the
problem.
R
It
was
the
show
the
potential,
the
commercial
fishing
industry
and
is
also
trying
to
get
recreational
fishermen
to
buy
in,
because
there's
always
been
kind
of
a
tension
between
commercial
Fishers
and
recreational
Fishers,
and
so
that
that
was
important
and
now
we
can.
We
can
honestly
say
that
that
the
recreational
Fishers
are
appreciative
of
commercial
fishing
and
and
their
help
to
control
these.
These
invasive
carp,
we've
ramped
up
in
within
our
department
to
we
now
have
10
full-time
positions
that
work
with
carp.
R
We
have
five
positions
in
Western,
Kentucky
and
an
office
there,
and
we
have
five
positions
in
in
Frankfurt
and
and
that's
that's
a
significant
part
of
our
of
my
division.
You
know
that's
about
10
of
my
division
is
devoted
to
working
on
carp
and
the
the
good
news
about
all
that
is
it's
100,
federally
funded,
and
so
we've
worked
because
there's
not
a
match
requirement
for
these
funds.
We've
worked
to
secure
more
and
more
federal
funds
and
we've
we're
doing
all
this
with
with
100
percent
federal
dollars.
R
We
know-
that's,
probably
not
very
likely
anytime
soon,
and
so
what
what
we
can
do
is
we
can
slow
their
expansion
into
new
Waters
and
we
can
try
to
put
together
programs
and
admin
regulations
to
try
to
assist
the
commercial
fishermen
to
fish
these
populations
down
where
they
are
present,
and
we
feel
like
we're,
making
good
progress
with
that,
especially
in
Kentucky
and
Barkley
Lake,
which
is,
as,
as
you
all
know,
a
very
significant
part
of
of
the
tourism
industry
and
and
so
what
we've
done
is
we've
we've
applied
a
eight
cents
per
pound
subsidy
on
invasive
carp,
harvest
in
in
those
lakes
and
again
all
with
federal
dollars.
R
It
also
allows
Fishers
into
normally
restricted
Waters
and
with
used
gear,
that's
not
normally
allowed
and
the
reason
why
you
know
we
have
regulations
on
what
can
and
can
be
used
by
commercial
Fishers,
because
we
want
to
protect,
obviously
the
the
non-target
species,
the
sport,
fish
populations,
and
so
what
we've
done
is
we've
worked
with
commercial
Fishers
to
try
to
identify
special
gear
that
they
can
use
and
special
areas
where
they
can
fish,
where
we
know
that
it
wouldn't
be
a
problem,
and
so
we've
had
staff
ride,
along
with
commercial
Fishers,
to
identify
those
kind
of
new
areas
or
and
and
new
gear.
R
And
so
we
we're
working
with
commercial
fishers
on
experimental
commercial
fishing
program
as
well,
and
so
that's
a
program
where
we
have
folks
ride
along
and
they
the
commercial
Fishers
that
have
ideas
on
ways
to
catch.
These
carp
can
test
new
methods
I
hadn't
mentioned,
but
these
these
carp
are
are
fairly
Wily
individuals,
they're,
extremely
sensitive
to
to
noise
and
they're
very
Adept
at
avoiding
Nets,
and
so
commercial
fishermen
have
had
to
try
to
figure
out
new
and
innovative
ways
to
be
able
to
catch
these
things
and
I.
R
R
That's
Kentucky,
Department
fish
and
wildlife
working
with
the
commercial
fishermen
through
the
subsidy
program
to
to
incentivize
that
Harvest
and
since
2013,
now
that
we're
halfway
through
this
year,
I
can
I
can
say
you
have
a
I
think
you
have
a
chart
there,
we're
probably
about
50
million
pounds
that
have
of
carp
that
has
now
been
harvested
Statewide
since
2013.,
so
that
that's
that's
a
lot
of
fish
and
and
it's
a
and
it's
a
lot
of
carp
that
are
no
longer
impacting
the
resource.
R
So
we're
trying
to
support
the
industry
in
in
many
ways.
We
also
provide
a
commercial
ice
machine
for
ice,
but
there's
a
there's.
A
lot
of
of
infrastructure
needed
to
develop
the
commercial
industry
and
and
Kentucky
fish
and
wildlife
is
a
resource
agency.
We
we
feel
like
we
need
to
stay
in
our
lane
of
of
doing
resource
management
and
we're.
We
don't
really
feel
like
it's
our
area
and
it's
not
our
expertise
to
get
into
the
business
side
and
the
industry
side,
as
well
as
the
fish
and
wildlife
service.
R
Funding
that
we
use
has
very
you
know,
strict
requirements
on
on
where
we
can
spend
those
dollars
and
so
what
we.
What
we've
done
here
recently
is
I
got
in
touch
with
with
Mr
Wooldridge
here
from
Murray
State,
University
Center
for
entrepreneur,
entrepreneurial
and
economic
development,
and
we
started
collaborating
and
form
this
partnership.
R
So
when,
when
I
I
have
folks
come
to
me
fairly
frequently,
if
with
new
ideas
about
how
they're
going
to
catch
carp
or
how
they
can
do
this
or
do
that
to
to
reduce
these
populations
and
they
want,
they
always
want
to
know
how
we
can
assist
them
with
getting
started.
You
know
with
with
funding
or
with
grants,
and
certainly
that's
you
know
not
our
expertise
and
and
it's
not
what
we're
you
know
as
a
resource
agency.
R
That's
that's
not
what
we're
we're
Adept
at
and
so
it's
been
good
working
with
Mr
Wooldridge.
We
recently
held
a
listening
session
in
in
Livingston.
R
Livingston,
County
and-
and
we
were
there
to
just
listen
to
fishermen,
listen
to
Industry,
we
invited
Economic
Development
folks,
we
invited
fishermen,
we
invited
the
cart
processors.
We
have
about
seven
processors
currently
in
that
are
buying
fish
regularly.
Most
of
those
are
Kentucky.
Some
of
them
are
across
the
border
in
Tennessee.
R
Some
are
across
the
border
in
Illinois,
but
in
the
in
the
interest
of
time,
I'm
going
to
stop
there
and
let
Mr
Wooldridge
tell
you
about
how
he's
been
helping
with
this
situation
and
then
we'll
be
happy
to
take
questions
afterwards.
S
S
Murray
State
University
seeks
to
create
Partnerships
throughout
our
region
and
throughout
our
state
that
Advance,
obviously
our
academic
and
Outreach
missions,
and
this
is
one
of
those
excellent
Partnerships
that
Murray
State
has
had
for
a
long
time
with
the
Kentucky
Department
of
Fish
and
Wildlife,
and
our
biological
and
ecological
programs,
Etc
and
so
Mr
dries
reached
out
to
me.
We
from
the
College
of
Business
standpoint
stepped
into
this
partnership
already
on
Solid
Ground,
already
working
with
long-developed
Partnerships
in
other
areas,
and
so
this
was
a
natural
fit.
S
Obviously,
if
we
can
create
a
retail
demand,
we
can
create
a
demand
for
the
processors
to
work
with
the
Fishers
to
extract
this
and
as
Mr
dries
mentioned,
the
total
eradication
of
this
is
going
to
be
extremely
difficult,
and
so
what
we
hope
is
a
market
approach
to
a
10
attempting
to
reduce
and
to
contain
and
control
this
invasive
species
as
much
as
we
can,
while
also
creating
a
market
incentive
and
creating
jobs.
Obviously
we
have
Fishers
who
are
out
fishing.
S
We
have
processors
who
are
hiring
Workforce
to
process
it
and
if
you've
not
had
the
opportunity
to
see
an
Asian
car
process,
I'd
be
happy
to
arrange
that,
for
you
once
might
be
enough,
but
you
will
see
that
there
are
jobs
and
there
are
opportunities
here
to
add
jobs
to
our
region,
and
so
the
idea
here
is:
how
do
we?
How
do
we
take
our
experience?
How
do
we
take
the
work
that
we
do
as
a
university
in
our
outreach
program,
which
is
what
our
Center
does?
S
Our
Center
works
with
start
up
an
existing
business
and
industry,
small
businesses,
as
well
as
working
with
our
other
partners
throughout
the
region
in
the
state
and
economic
development
Chambers
of
Commerce
Etc,
and
so
we
we
bring
what
resources
we
have
our
faculty,
our
staff,
our
resources
of
our
University
into
these
areas,
and
this
is
one
of
those
areas
where
we
feel
we
can
collaborate
among
the
colleges
in
our
University
in
the
communities
in
which
we
operate
and
hopefully
move
the
needle.
For
that
we've
got
infrastructure
challenges
as
Mr
dries
mentioned.
S
There
are,
there
are
infrastructure
challenges
in
any
industry,
but
in
this
one
we
also
have
a
time
element.
Obviously,
frozen
fish
cannot
be
frozen
indefinitely,
and
so
what
Market
develops
over
time
is
going
to
determine
some
of
what
that
infrastructure
needs
to
be.
We
need
take
in
points
stations,
Transportation
coolers,
that
Mr
dries
mentioned,
but
also
encouraging
that
Workforce
to
work
in
that
Fishers
area
and
to
work
in
that
that
processors
area.
So
that's
our
role
here.
We
have
worked
with
numerous
clients
and
are
working
with
numerous
clients.
S
Now
I
will
tell
you
that,
since
the
partnership
was
announced
about
six
seven
weeks
ago,
I
have
had
inquiries
from
literally
around
the
world.
I
have
inquiries
from
companies
who
want
to
look
at
West
Kentucky
and
we're
providing
them
with
some
preliminary
information,
but
these
are
Big
Time
companies
that
are
considering
establishing
an
operation
in
West
Kentucky.
S
For
that
reason,
now,
of
course,
their
questions
are
infrastructure
and
Etc,
so
we
we
have
a
lot
to
work
through,
but
we
are
not
where
we
were
three
years
ago
and
I
think
we're
well
down
the
road
to
addressing
this
situation
being.
It
is
what
it
is,
but
converting
that,
to
a
way
that
we
can
have
some
positive
economic
impact
with
job
creation,
quality
of
life
and
wealth
creation.
So
with
that
I'll
I'll
I'll,
stop
talking
and
and
be
available
for
questions.
Thank.
E
You
Mr
chair,
my
I
had
a
couple
of
things
that
that.
E
Sake
of
time,
thank
you.
The
history
behind.
Where
did
Asian
carp,
come
from
Arkansas
private
ponds
that
were
flooded
and
then
they
went
into
tributaries,
and
so
that's
why
we
have
this
problem
and
then
it's
actually
great
that
we
followed
house
bill
nine
other
than
I
think
by
the
crowd,
clearing
out.
E
They
thought
we
were
going
to
get
some
Asian
carp
out,
I
guess
today,
but
House
Bill,
9's
a
great
intro
to
this
infrastructure
and
one
time
one
time
moves
and
developing
industry
around
this,
and
so
so
I
think
that's
that's
a
great
add-in,
but
but
for
us
we
have
one
facility
where
we
have
a
bioacoustic
fish
fence
so
bath
and
and
when
you
get
into
state
government,
you
learn
all
these
acronyms,
but
a
fish
fence
which
is
sound
and
Bubbles.
E
E
We
would
like
your
help
with,
and
you
all
have
you
all
helped
us
tremendously
over
the
years
to
be
the
agency
that
we
are,
and
so,
if
any
of
you
have
any
questions
about
the
the
fish
fence
and
potential
locations
and
and
how
we
can
make
that
work,
it's
a
it's
a
serious
conversation
that
that
needs
to
be
addressed
soon,
but
those
those
are
my
add-ins
and
thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
before
we
use
anybody,
have
any
questions
we'll
address.
Those
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions.
One
thank
you
to
all
of
you
that
have
been
involved
in
this
space.
It's
it's
a
lot
more
of
a
threat
than
anybody
realizes
it's
conceptually,
it's
very
difficult
to
look
at
a
carp
as
invasive
or
a
threat.
We've
been
anybody.
That's
ever
been
around
water
fishing.
A
You
know
all
your
life,
there's
carp
they're
the
things
you
don't
eat
and
you
just
deal
with,
but
but
this
is
a
completely
different
animal
literally
and
figuratively,
in
the
impact
it
has
on
the
areas
that
get
affected
are
are
devastating.
It
sounds
dramatic,
but
but
but
it's
not.
The
economic
impact
to
our
area
in
this
already
has
been
problematic
and
it
could
get
a
lot
worse.
A
If
we
don't
take
these
steps,
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
I
want
to
address
one
there's
law
of
unintended
consequences,
especially
in
an
area
that's
developing,
is
there
anything
from
a
state
level
that
gets
in
the
way
that
we
need
to
address
anything
that
you
see
that
that
is
on
the
books
that
wasn't
intended
to
operate
in
this
space,
but
kind
of
does
so
by
default.
R
I
would
just
say
that
we're
continually
looking
at
at
our
administrative
regulations
to
try
to
both
and
increase
the
commercial
fishing
Effectiveness
yet
protect
the
unintended
consequences
that
you
mentioned
of
of
in
this
case
would
be
the
non-target
bycatch
interference
with
other
recreational
boating.
That
sort
of
thing
so
so
we're
continuing
to
look
at
our
administrative
rakes
and
we
recently
are
working
on
won
this
experimental
fishing
methods
program
that
will
be
coming
before
legislative
resource
commissions
very
soon
to
put
that
in
regulation.
R
So
we'll
just
appreciate
the
support
of
those
changes
as
we
try
to
modify
regulations
to
to
make
those
commercial
fishermen
more
effective.
E
And
I
may
add,
as
well:
I
mean
Geographic
limitations.
So
if,
if
you've
ever
seen
an
Asian
carpet,
80
90
degrees,
it
does
not
take
long
for
them
to
break
down,
and
so
these
fishermen
I
mean
we've
got
ice
machines.
We've
got
capabilities
to
handle
this
in
Colder
Weather,
but
the
geographic
limitations
having
if
you're
in
the
western
tip
and
you've
got
to
drive
two
hours.
That's
that's
a
real
Challenge
and
so
again
house
bill
nine.
E
P
Thank
you
for
your
efforts
to
deal
with
this
I
know
it's
a
serious
problem:
I
I
fish
a
lot
and
and
I
don't
fish
as
much
in
The
Lakes,
where
they
will
they
jump
into
the
water.
So
much
anymore.
You
mentioned
a
video
with
a
viral
video.
Could
you
give
us
more
information
about
that
real
quickly?
Is
there
a
website
I'll.
E
Tell
you
what
I
will
send
this
committee
a
link
because
we
we
actually
want
to
post
it
today,
but
I
think
maybe
there's
some
technology
difficulties
to
make
that
happen,
but
actually
just
like
a
five
second
video,
it's
a
it's
incredible.
It
went
it
went
around
the
world,
but
we
will
send
you
that
link.
So
you
can
check
that
out.
P
Okay
also
I'm
just
curious
a
shocking
of
fish
about
it's
not
I,
know
it's
not
for
game
fish,
but
it's
shocking
for
these
fishes
right.
R
Now,
right
now,
electric
fishing
is
used
by
by
our
federal
and
and
state
resource
agencies,
but
it's
not
currently
allowed
for
commercial
use
and.
C
R
P
R
Problem,
it's
hard
for
it's
hard
for
bow
fishing
to
to
to
scale
up
to
the
level
needed,
but
it
certainly
helps
you
know.
Every
little
bit
helps
and
we've
actually
made
it.
We
change
regulations,
so
Beau
fishermen
can
sell
their
catch
of
carp
invasive
carb
only,
but
normally
you
can't
sell
something.
That's
recreationally
harvested
right,
but
we
did
make
that
change
as
well
and
got
that
approved.
Well.
P
R
Hear
that
a
lot
and
and
I
tell
people-
and
we
heard
a
lot
about
not
just
in
the
last
last
presentation
about
it
house-
bill
nine,
you
think
of
Western,
Kentucky
and
being
surrounded
by
on
three
sides
by
water.
You
got
Barkley
and
Kentucky
lakes.
R
You
have
the
Ohio
River,
you
have
the
Mississippi,
River
I,
think
Western
Kentucky
specifically
on
you,
know
good
and
bad,
but
they're
for
prime
location,
where
these
fish
are
going
to
be
around
for
a
while
I
think,
with
the
buy
acoustic
fish
fence
that
we
hope
to
eventually
get
at
both
the
the
current
experiment.
Experimental
one
is
at
Barkley
lock.
R
We
hope
to
get
the
other
one
at
Kentucky,
Lock
and
Dam,
and
since
they
aren't
reproducing
in
The
Lakes,
there
is
a
real
possibility
that
you
can
put
up
the
fish
fences
to
keep
them
from
migrating
into
the
Lakes
from
Downstream
and
then
use
commercial
fishing
to
fish
them
down.
And
so
that's
what
we
hope
to
to
happen
on
a
larger
scale.
R
But
but
you
can
probably
imagine
that
they're
gonna
you're
gonna
fish
them
down
in
one
location
and
incentivize
Harvest
there,
and
then
the
fishermen
are
going
to
want
to
go
somewhere
else
and
they
go
somewhere
else
and
while
they're
fishing
them
down
over
there.
The
other
part
you
know
could
come
back.
J
L
You
Mr,
chairman
and
I
know
you
talked
about
the
Lakes
is
where
you're
primarily
focused,
but
they
spawn
in
the
rivers
and
the
streams
where
they're
as
current.
Is
there
any
kind
of
programs
for
those
the
rivers
and
streams
that
we're
utilizing.
R
Yes,
sir
I
did
not
mention
the
contract
fishing
program,
which
is
another
program
that
we
have
to
where
we're
using
contract
fishing,
like
literally
paying
fishermen
a
per
day
amount
of
money
to
fish
for
the
car,
because
up
towards
Louisville,
we
call
the
candleton
pool,
which
is
the
pool
that
that
that
Louisville
is
in
the
mcalpin
pool
at
mcalpin,
Lock
and
Dam.
But
the
pool
just
below
is
the
Cannelton
pool
of
the
Ohio
river,
and
so
we
use
contract
Fishers
to
fish
in
that
area.
R
What
we
call
the
Leading
Edge
or,
where
they're
not
quite
as
dense.
It's
not
really
a
commercially
viable
density
where,
where
it
attract
commercial
fishing,
so
so
we
we
again
we're
using
federal
funds
but
we're
paying
fishermen
to
fish
down
the
or
try
to
keep
those
populations
down
and
try
to
keep
them
from
expanding
further
Upstream
with
contract
fishing.
L
And
then
to
go
off
of
the
Senators
comment
there,
those
folks
that
come
into
the
industry,
this
economic
development
of
commercial
fishing
and
and
the
processing
plants
they
understand
that
our
goal
is
eradication,
though
that's
going
to
take
a
very
long
time.
If
it
in
fact
occurs
is,
are
they
made
aware
of
that
yeah.
R
They're
most
certainly
aware
of
that,
and-
and
we
have-
we
have
folks
that
that
that
are
very
Savvy
business,
folks
that
are
running
these
processing
facilities
and
and
they're.
They
understand
that,
and
and
but
they're
they're
they're
trying
to
be
nimble
and
and
move
around
and
and
also
you
know,
attract
fishermen
from
from
a
wide
area.
They
just
don't
they
just
don't
buy
from
Fishers
that
are
that,
are
you
know
right
in
their
location?
They
they
they
try
to
have
a
system
where
they
can
bring
fish.
E
Thank
you
may
I
had
to
your
your
comments
and
questions,
so
we
do
have
people
that
have
established
in
in
other
states
and,
for
example,
we
have
a
group
that
came
into
Kentucky
and
they
were
they.
They
were
from
Illinois
and
they've.
Seen
this
and
they've
done
this
before
so
they
see
The,
Economic,
Opportunity
and,
and
they
know
the
realistic
goals
and
one
of
the
neat
things
that
I
got
to
do.
E
One
day
was
one
of
these
industries
came
to
Kentucky
and
they
had
a
ribbon
cutting,
and
a
few
of
you
may
have
been
there,
but
Bo
Jackson.
The
the
sports
star
from
when
I
was
a
kid
was,
is
an
investor
in
that
in
both
Illinois
and
Kentucky,
and
and
so
this
is
an
opportunity,
but
at
the
same
time,
I
think
a
lot
of
the
commercial
fishermen
like
to
fish
the
lakes,
for
example.
S
Their
Research
indicates
that
running
out
of
fish
is
not
going
to
be
a
problem
for
them
in
looking
at
other
countries
where
this
fish
is
quite
prominent,
attempts
to
eradicate
them
again,
you
reach
a
point
where
you
can't
eradicate
them
much
further,
unless
you
bring
in
some
other
invasive
species
to
consume
them
or
something
along
those
lines,
so
those
Industries
are
taking
in
the
payout
rate
for
asset
acquisition
return,
and
so
so,
while
I
understand
the
question,
I
think
that
we've
we've
got
an
opportunity
here
to
turn
something
that's
going
to
be
a
challenge
you
know,
looking
at
really
reducing
them
and
containing
them
and
trying
to
control
them
is,
is
where
the
market
side
really
comes
in
and
I
think
again
on
the
lane
that
the
fish
and
wildlife
department
is
in
if
we
attach
it
from
both
attack
it
from
both
of
those
perspectives.
J
C
C
You
know
really
thank
you
all
for
being
proactive
and
making
lemonade
out
of
a
out
of
an
issue
that
it
could
have
been
a
whole
lot
worse.
But
my
question
is
what
I've
heard
through
most
of
this
presentation
is
about
invasive
carp
used
to
be
referred
to
as
Asian
carp,
and
you
all
gave
four
different
species
that
were
a
problem.
Is
this
base
problem
expanding
on
us
or
are
they
all
considered
Asian
carp
or
help
me
out
with
this?
If
you
could.
R
Well,
these
four
species
are
I
guess
invasive
carp
is
the
more
politically
correct
term
than
Asian
carp
run.
The
federal
government
started
using
the
invasive
carp
terminology
and
we've
just
followed
suit
with
that,
but
we're
still
talking
about
the
same
four
species:
big
head,
carbs,
silver,
carp,
grass,
carp
and
black
carb.
T
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
thank
you,
director,
Draves
and
commissioner,
and
for
your
work
on
this.
You
mentioned
what
was
the
total
amount
of
pounds
that
you
said.
R
2013
we
we,
we
have
harvested
50
million
pounds
or
so
now
that
we're
halfway
through
the
year
I'm,
just
estimating
we've,
probably
got
about
5
million
pounds
harvested
this
year.
So
far,
probably
so.
That
would
make
50
million
pounds
since
2013.
R
R
They're
getting
around
anywhere
from
15
to
20
something
cents
a
pound,
depending
on
where
they're
selling
them,
depending
on
whether
they're
caught
from
the
Ohio
river
and
also
depending
on
how
they
how
they
have
have
if
they've
kept
them
chilled.
You
know
if
they
are.
If
they
are
food
grade
fish,
they're,
gonna,
they're
gonna
get
a
lot
more
money
for
a
food
grade,
fish
for
human
consumption
than
they
will
for
a
fish
meal
or
fertilizer
processor.
R
R
Fish
meal
and
for
fertilizer
and
then
I
I,
really
couldn't
tell
you
who
his
cut
his
customers
are:
there's
there's
a
processor
that
buys
them
for
human
consumption.
She
had
a
export
Market
to
Asia.
She
has
export
markets
to
you,
probably
know
but
Middle
East,
that
that
certainly
became
a
big
problem.
R
During
the
pandemic,
though
shipping
was
a
problem,
the
tariffs
that
were
on
exports
to
China
during
the
Trump
Administration,
those
kind
of
things
had
had
a
negative
effect
on
on
that
particular
industry
model,
and
you
know:
there's
there's
other
industry
models
now
that
have
come
about
where
you
can
their
their
process
for
bait,
so
they're
they're
frozen
and
they're
literally
sliced
into
chunks
like
on
a
meat,
saw
and
then
they're,
packed
and
then
they're
shipped
to
either
the
Northeast
for
lobstermen
to
use
this
bait
they're
also
shipped
to
Florida
for
crab
a
fisherman
that
uses
bait
and
they're
shipped
to
the
Gulf
of
Mexico
Louisiana
area
for
crayfish
crawfish
fishermen
to
use
his
bait.
R
R
You
know
there
they
could
potentially
be
used
or
reclaim
Metals.
The
bones
could
be
used
to
reclaim
Metals
there's
there's
a
whole.
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
different
ideas
out
there
about
the
ways
these
could
be
used
right
now.
You
know
those
are
more
more
along
the
futuristic
side,
but
the
the
bait
market
and
the
human
consumption
pet
food
consumption.
R
T
Well,
thank
you
for
what
you're
doing
I
know
it's
I
know
it's
a
huge
I
know
it's
a
huge
issue,
especially
for
that
part
of
the
state
and
and
if
I
could
just
make
another
comment.
I
want
to
thank
fish
and
wildlife
for
their
incredible
work
that
they
do
in
this
state.
This
this
agency
does
an
incredible
job
for
the
tourism
industry
in
the
state
of
Kentucky.
T
Thank
you
all
for
what
you're
doing,
because
this
this
state,
we
have
an
incredible
resource
here.
If
a
lot
of
people,
maybe
listen,
watch
and
don't
know
it
an
incredible
resource
that
fish
and
wildlife,
the
the
possibilities
are
endless.
I
think
in
the
state
of
Kentucky
and
and
commissioner
storm
is
doing
a
great
job.
T
Chairman
Howell
asked
a
question.
He
asked
a
question
a
moment
ago.
What
was
some
of
the
things
that
was
hindering
or
could
hinder?
Are
there
things
and
I've
worked
in
this
Agency
for
a
long
time
and
for
years
going
back
decades,
one
of
the
things
that's
hindering
fish
and
wildlife.
Today
is
our
current
Administration
across
the
street.
T
This
Governor
has
been
the
most
anti-efficient
wildlife
governor
for
50
years,
doing
everything
that
their
Administration
can
to
bring
down
this
agency
and
I
want
to
go
on
record
by
saying
this.
This,
commissioner,
is
doing
a
great
job
has
come
under
personal
attacks
and
I.
Think
this,
commissioner,
in
this
Department
of
Fish
and
Wildlife,
for
what
they
are
doing
today
and
this
current
Administration
would
like
to
bring
down
this
department
for
what
reason
I
don't
know,
but
I
go
back
into
the
70s
in
every
Administration.
T
From
the
time
I
went
to
work
in
the
70s
has
supported
fish
and
wildlife
100
percent
and
done
everything
they
could
to
help
this
agency
to
help
our
state
become
a
better
state
in
our
conservation
efforts.
But
this
Administration
has
done
everything
to
tear
it
down
and
by
the
efforts
of
this
commissioner
right
here
sitting
here.
Looking
at
us
today
has
stood
his
ground
and
kept
this
Agency
On
Solid,
Ground,
And
I,
want
to
say
to
him
and
his
directors.
T
J
Thank
you,
gentlemen,
for
your
presentation
very
informative,
just
a
couple
of
housekeeping
things
here
before
we
adjourn,
you
have
a
sheet
of
paper
in
your
folder,
inviting
you
to
the
University
of
Kentucky
Princeton
field
day
for
the
it's,
the
UK
corn,
soybean
and
tobacco
field
day.
So
you've
got
that
in
your
folder.
J
If
you're
interested
in
attending
that
our
next
meeting
will
be
Thursday,
August
24th
10
a.m,
at
the
Kentucky
State
Fair,
and
you
guys
that
have
been
around
a
while
are
used
to
meeting
us
there
to
look
forward
to
attending
the
State
Fair.
Is
there
anything
we've
overlooked
before
we
adjourn?