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Very
good,
thank
you
very
much,
so
we
will
jump
right
in
to
our
presentation
with
representative
chris
fugate
and
the
first
frontier
appalachian
trails.
Please
assume
the
table
and
all
of
your
guests,
please.
We
look
forward
to
your
presentation.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair
chairman,
pratt.
Thank
you
committee
for
allowing
us
to
be
here
today
in
front
of
you
to
talk
about
something
very
important
to
southeast.
Kentucky
present
with
me
is
on
the
far
left
is
our
chairman
of
the
first
frontier
appalachian
trails.
Jerry
stacy
to
my
left
is
scott
smith.
He's
the
executive
director
that
we
hired
february
the
15th
of
this
year
and
to
my
right
is
tim
whitehead,
he's
trails,
mapping
coordinator
for
the
first
frontier
trail
system.
I
So
in
2017
we
started
the
or
authorized
the
trail
authority
under
house
bill
156
and
then
in
2019
we
updated
it,
but
neither
neither
a
year
were
we
did.
We
have
any
funding
for
the
trail
system,
and
so
last
year
was
the
first
year
to
that
we
received
funding.
I
We
had
500
000
in
last
year's
budget
500
for
this
year's
budget
and
so
from
there
because
of
the
funding
that
we
got,
we
were
able
to
hire
some
folks
that
allowed
us
to
start
actually
mapping
trails
and
when
I
talk
about
trails
today
there
are
atv
trails,
mostly
side-by-side
trails
and
eventually
there'll
be
some
other
trails.
Horse
trails,
hiking
trails,
bicycle
trails
and
all
that,
but
right
now
we're
focused
on
on
the
atv
trails.
I
We
patterned
the
the
trail
system
after
the
hatfield,
mccoy
trail
system,
and
before
I
get
into
that
I'd
like
to
madam
sheriff,
I
could
just
have
all
the
county
judges
from
east
kentucky
to
stand
that
are
behind
me
today.
I
And
then
I'd
like
to
also
have
the
board
members
that
are
here
to
stand,
and
then
anybody
else
that's
here
with
us
today
to
support
what
we're
doing
in
east
kentucky.
I
And
I
I
appreciate
them
taking
their
time
to
come
today
and
just
to
show
really
the
the
the
committee
that
we
have
support
from
18
or
19
eastern
kentucky
counties,
and
this
is
not
just
for
my
district,
the
84th
district,
but
I'm
thankful
to
be
able
to
be
the
maybe
the
mouthpiece
up
here
for
all
of
east
kentucky,
and
I
appreciate
them.
The
judges
and
everybody
coming
today
to
be
part
of
this,
because
it's
very
important
for
east
kentucky.
I
They
they've
seen
in
west
virginia
this
year,
riders
from
all
50
states
and
13
foreign
countries
that
have
come
to
west
virginia
to
ride
trails
in
2020,
west
virginia
had
64
744
riders
that
came
to
west
virginia
to
ride.
The
trails
and
80
percent
of
those
people
were
from
outside
the
state
of
west
virginia
in
2020.
They
turned
away
20
000
riders
because
they
didn't
have
the
places
for
them
to
stay
the
lodging
and
all
that,
so
they
had
to
leave.
I
They
basically
couldn't
come
to
west
virginia
to
ride
because
of
this
communities,
which
are
coal
counties.
These
coal
communities
in
west
virginia
that
have
been
devastated
by
the
coal
being
taken
away
and
the
opportunity
to
mine
the
coal
they
they
have
really
been
reinvented.
They
they've
went
from
a
economy
that
was
broke
to
an
economy
where
local
people
have
been
able
to
build
cabins
on
their
own
property
to
build
rv
sites
and
atv
parks,
and
these
little
small
towns
have
been
just
just
it's
unbelievable.
I
The
the
amount
of
people
that
have
come
in
and
the
spending
of
money
in
west
virginia
now
in
the
fir
they
they
started.
They
were
authorized
as
an
authority
in
1996,
but
in
2001
they
received
their
first
funding
from
the
west
virginia
legislature
and
the
first
year,
I'm
sorry
they
they
received
their
first
funding
in
96.
They
began
talks
in
93
of
the
trail
authority.
They
started
selling
permits
five
years
after
they
received
their
first
funding
from
the
state
and
the
first
physical
year.
I
And
again,
it's
money
that
that
the
state's
going
to
benefit
from
it's
money
that
the
local
residents
are
going
to
benefit
from,
and
so
it's
a
it's
a
great
it's
a
great
opportunity
for
us
to
mirror
what
they've
done
in
west
virginia
and
have
that
same
money
coming
into
eastern
and
southeastern
kentucky
just
a
few
more
stats
that
they've
got
the
number
of
people
that
comes
in
their
groups,
44
of
the
time,
there's
six
or
more
people
that
come
in
their
groups,
47
percent
of
the
time
they
rent
cabins
or
motel
rooms.
I
I
That's
why
you
see
all
the
judges
from
all
across
east
kentucky
democrat
republican,
all
of
us
working
together
to
try
to
help
us
go
along
with
the
vision
that
we
have
to
see.
This
happen
in
east
kentucky.
Now
again
that
38
million
dollar
impact
was
last
year.
It'll
be
the
same
or
higher
this
year,
and
so
that's
money,
that's
coming
in
every
year,
because
over
76
percent
of
the
people
that
rode
hatfield
mccoy
said
they
would
return
76.8
percent.
Now.
How
does
that?
How
has
it
already
affected
our
area?
I
So
if
you
look
at
all
the
counties
in
our
area,
most
are
looking
to
buy
or
rent
or
or
create
rv
parks,
atv
parks-
if
you
look
at
knock
county
judge
dobson
their
county
in
2019,
they
have
an
atv
rv
park
and
in
2019
they
brought
in
28
thousand
dollars
in
2020
their
rv
park
brought
in
brought
in
a
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
dollars
this
year
to
date,
278
000
and
because
the
atv
world
is
growing
and
it's
expanding,
and
so
we
want
the
opportunity
for
not
just
not
just
county
governments
to
be
able
to
create
the
or
build
these
rv
parks
and
atv
parks,
but
private
landowners.
I
We've
got
some
some
folks
in
the
that
live
on
the
border
of
perry,
county
leslie,
county
owls
and
clay
and
all
kind
of
borders
they're
together
they
build
an
rv
park
this
year
and
they've
been
full
just
about
every
weekend.
That's
a
smaller
park,
only
14
sites,
but
they've
been
filled
every
weekend
and
they
plan
on
building
cabins
and
adding
more
rv
parks
from
that
from
that
atv.
From
that
rv
atv
campground,
it's
called
buffalo
camping
ride.
I
They
can
ride
into
the
city
of
booneville,
baydeville,
oneeda,
haydn,
buckhorn
to
the
buckhorn
lake
state
park,
they're
just
trails
everywhere,
and
so,
as
we've
been
moving
forward.
You
know
we
got
to
hire
scott
smith
and,
as
our
executive
director
he's
done,
a
great
job
and
really
the
first
four
five
six
months
has
been
just
organized
and
everything
just
to
just
to
lay
everything
out.
Then
we
added,
I
started
to
say
brother
tim
whitehead.
I
thought
I
was
at
church.
I
He
is
a
brother
but
added
tim
whitehead
as
the
trails
coordinator
and-
and
so
you
know,
it's
been
they've
been
mapping,
trails
they've
probably
got,
and
I
don't
want
to
speak
out.
Turn
tim
will
go
over
some
maps
here
in
just
a
second,
but
we've
got
one
trail
system
that
that
connects
not
county,
mcgofan,
county
brethren,
county
and
floyd
county
all
together
with
one
trail,
but
it
also
has
the
opportunity
to
leave
the
trail
and
go
down
into
small
towns
and
eat
at
pappas
pizza
shop
or
stay
in
the
local,
cabin
or
motel.
I
So
then,
the
other
trail
system
would
connect.
There'll
be
different.
Pockets
of
trail
system,
jackson,
county
johnson,
county
martin,
county,
really
every
county
has
been,
has
been
really
on
the
ball
mapping
their
own
trails,
giving
those
trails
over
to
us
to
look,
and
now
after
we
map
the
trails,
we
have
to
go
to
each
landowner
and
get
landowner
agreements
and
that's
what
tim
does
and
then
we're
getting
ready
to
do
job
interviews
for
a
third
person
you
know,
and
so
I'll
turn
it
over
to
tim.
I
Now,
he'll
go
through
a
short
presentation
for
you
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
to
questions
if
jerry
has
something
to
say
or
scott
here
in
just
a
minute
after
tim
finishes,
but
we'll
we'll
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have.
K
Just
want
to
thank
you
all
for
allowing
us
to
be
here
and
try
to
just
be
as
brief
as
I
can
with
these
maps
here.
Each
one
of
them
represents
the
trails
that
we've
mapped,
that
we've
rode
in
either
gps
or
used
an
app
to
drive
through
and
mark
the
trails
every
one
of
them
is
like
these.
Are
we've
got
88
miles
just
on
this.
This
map
right
here
you
know,
and
that's
just
a
drop
in
the
bucket
to
what's
already
there,
that
we
don't
have
mapped
and
we're
going
through
four
counties
there.
K
On
that,
that's
one
thing:
we've
tried
to
do
on
each
trail.
We've
tried
to
connect
counties,
not
just
do
them
in
county.
We
wanted
to
see
them,
connect
each
other
and
get
close
to
some
community
or
town.
So
the
next
is
pictures
of
a
kickoff
event
that
was
at
mine,
made
recreation
park.
K
This
is
another
picture
of
another
map.
That's
in
leslie
county
we've
got
miles,
mapped
there.
One
trail
that
we
recently
added
went
right
into
the
buckhorn
state
lodge
and
we're
looking
to
add
a
lot
more
trails
to
that.
That's
there
that
we
just
don't
have
mapped.
K
There's
a
another
kickoff
event
that
we
had
in
the
spring
in
leslie
county.
As
you
can
see
that
first
picture,
there
was
actually
by
some
oil
tanks
that
that
I'd
worked
on
that
for
an
oil
company.
They
actually
drilled
the
whales
there.
But
you
know
I
thought
that
was
kind
of
a
representative
of
where
the
trails
are
going
and
the
other
one
there
two
of
the
the
first
one
on
the
bottom
and
the
last
one
is
all
on
strip
benches,
where
they've
mined
coal
and.
K
Here's
johnson
county,
the
one
in
the
red
to
the
south
there's
22
miles.
I
think
it
starts
in
van
leer
and
it
goes
past
loretta
lynn's
home
place.
So
that's
something
else.
We're
trying
to
do
is
to
make
each
one
of
these
trails
go
by
some
point
of
interest
and
that
one
goes
into
another
martin
county
there
to
the
to
the
right
and
the
other
picture.
There
I
think,
is
in
mcafee
county
yep
and
there
was
their
kickoff
event.
K
I
If
I
could
say
something,
just
a
second
go
ahead
on
that
day,
we
had
a
parade
through
the
the
big
city
of
van
leer,
not
real
big,
but
it
was
awesome
to
have
laura.
Do
you
know
how
many
units
we
had
that
day
so
132
units
which
represents
you
could
say
two
per
unit
anyway,
and
they
had
a
parade
through
town
through
candy
out
to
the
kids
and
and
different
things
like
that.
So
it's
a
great
day,
big
kickoff.
K
The
next
one
there
in
jackson,
county
it's
167
miles
that
does
not
represent
even
part
of
what's
out
there.
That's
not
even
mapped
yet
and
that's
yet
to
be
done.
That's
going
in
owlsley
lee
rock
castle
and
nestle
counties.
K
So
that's
a
and
those
are
going
past
points
of
interest
too,
including
a
a
lock
that
was
on
the
river
there
that
I've
done
forgot
the
name
of.
But
let
me
show
those
pictures
for
that
one
and
there's
a
part
of
their
trail
system
that
they've
been
riding
on
and
some
of
the
people
that's
in
it,
and
this
is
just
a
very
minute
part
of
what's
out
there.
These
guys
will
go
out
there
and
ride
and
they
may
be
50
of
them
and
they'll
probably
pass
another
150.
I
You
know
the
atv
park
in
knock
county.
I
think
judge
dobson
told
me,
I
think
34
different
states
this
year,
34
different
states
have
have
been
in
the
park
in
knock
county.
So
that's
again,
it's
outside
money
coming
into
east
kentucky.
It's
not!
You
know
us
trading
money
within
ourselves,
but
it's
outside
money
coming
in
scott.
Do
you
have
anything
done.
L
Actually,
I
would
just
like
to
thank
all
the
members
of
the
committee
for
allowing
us
this
time
today
and
for
what
every
whatever
amount
of
time
we
have
remaining.
We
would
just
like
to
open
it
up
and
answer
any
questions
that
that
anyone
might
have
from
us.
D
No
just
we
appreciate,
we
appreciate
you
guys
inviting
us
today
and
love
to
have
the
opportunity
to
show
how
much
progress
we've
made
in
such
a
short
period
of
time
and
to
let
you
know
that
we
appreciate
you
guys,
because
of
what
you
guys
have
done
has
allowed
us
to
do
what
we've
done
at
this
point.
D
Without
your
help,
we
wouldn't
have
been
able
to
get
where
we're
at,
and
we
really
appreciate
that
and-
and
I
you
know,
the
thing
that
is
so
encouraging
to
me
is:
we've
got
18
counties
all
on
the
same
page,
pulling
in
the
same
direction
to
accomplish
something:
that's
going
to
help
the
entire
region
and
not
just
one
county,
and
I
don't
know
that
I've
ever
seen
that
kind
of
effort
before
not
on
that
scale,
not
from
eastern
kentucky.
I've
lived
there,
my
entire
life
and
it's
it's
been
impressive
and
important.
D
This
has
a
chance
to
be
a
game
changer
for
us
in
eastern
kentucky,
when
you
start
start
talking
about
the
potential
of
38
million
direct
economic
impact
every
12
months
in
any
nine
or
ten
counties
you
can
think
of
in
eastern
kentucky.
It's
a
game
changer
and
you
guys
are
responsible
in
a
lot
of
ways
for
us
being
able
to
to
go
in
this
direction,
and
we
appreciate
it
very,
very
much.
A
Well,
it's
no
secret
to
this
fine
group,
but
representative
fugate
is
your
biggest
cheerleader
and
biggest
advocate.
So
we've
been
looking
forward
to
your
presentation
today.
I
have
three
brief
questions.
I'm
going
to
save
one
for
the
end,
but
just
to
help
me
better
understand
how
this
works.
If
I
come
in
in
a
side
by
side,
do
I
have
gps
coordinates
to
help
me
get
where
I'm
going
or
I
follow
the
path
in
front
of
me.
How
do
I
navigate
well?
That's
something
what
I'm
wanting
to
do
that.
K
A
Excellent
excellent,
very
good,
and
then
I
was
also
curious.
Do
we
have
an
average
stay
or
average
miles?
I'm
not
sure
how
we
track
the
activity
on
the
trails.
I
Yes,
hatfield
mccoy
trail
system.
Of
course
we
go.
We
go
by
their
stats
because
they're,
you
know
they're
the
they're
the
model
we're
following,
but
40
of
the
people
that
come
they
stay
four
days
or
more
35
of
the
people
that
come
stay
three
days
or
more
so
75
of
the
people
stay
three
days
or
more
and
then
35
of
the
people
spend
between
250
and
500.
D
Thank
you
again,
it's
more
of
a
comment
and
a
question
chris.
Thank
you
for
your
vision.
This
and
you
guys,
and
you
know
this,
but
most
people
don't
my
parents
are
from
knox
county
and
five
of
my
siblings
from
there
and
you
realize
until
you've
been
in
that
area
what
this
means
to
those
people
in
the
area.
So
thank
you
and
thank
you
everything
you
guys
done.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
First
of
all,
thank
you
for
being
here.
I
remember
during
the
special
we
were
breaking
up
meeting
in
the
groups,
and
we
talked
about
some
of
the
benefits
the
state
of
kentucky
we've
got.
We
need
tourism.
We
know
that
we're
commonwealth
of
kentucky
is
poor.
We've
got
to
do
things
to
draw
in
outside
money
to
also.
A
D
I
was
going
to
say
tourism.
We
got
to
double
down
on
tourism,
and
so
you
were
talking
about
the
economic
impact
of
that
and
while
that
may
seem
kind
of
small
in
comparison
to
some
other
tourism
economic
impact.
If
someone
comes
to
kentucky,
they
may
do
the
trail
system
for
two
days.
D
They
may
go
across
commonwealth
and
do
something
else
for
two
days:
it
can
be
a
vacation,
and
so
when
we
talk
about
quality
of
life,
when
we
try
to
fight
the
the
brain
drain
and
drawing
in
talent,
you've
got
to
have
amenities
like
this,
and
so
I
think
that's
the
other
picture.
I
was
sitting
there
doing
the
math
and
you've
seen
38
million
and
compared
to
some
of
the
other
things
we
draw,
may
not
seem
as
big,
but
when
you
put
them
all
together,
then
it's
a
multiplier
effect
and
so
right
now
the
side-by-sides.
D
Let's
say
if
I
wanted
to
come
in
from
louisville
and
stay
in
the
cabin
for
a
couple
days,
could
I
rent
a
couple
of?
Is
there
places
already
set
up
to
rent
the
side-by-sides?
Let's
get
the
cabin,
because
to
me
it
sounds
like
that.
Would
add
up
to
be
a
whole
lot
more
than
five
hundred
dollars
once
you
start
looking.
I
At
the
rental
fees
and
those
things
yes,
sir,
there
it
there
are
places
that
you
know,
like
I
said,
every
county
is
looking
to
start
rv
parks
and
different
things,
but
there
are
some
private
individuals
in
some
of
the
counties
that
already
have
cabins.
I
know
that
knock
county
has
has
cabins,
and
I
know
that
they're
trying
to
work
a
deal
with
someone
to
start
renting
side
by
sides.
I
That's
the
only
place
that
I
know
of
where
you
can
rent
cybersize.
But,
yes,
there
are
opportunities
already
for
people
to
stay.
But
if
you
look
at
the
wave
of
people
that
came
into
west
virginia
one
of
the
problems
they
had
was
they
weren't,
they
weren't
ready
for
all
the
people
to
come
in,
they
didn't
have
places
for
them
to
stay
place
for
them
to
eat,
and
so
that
I
think
that
we're
already
seeing
people
catch
on
to
this
in
in
east
kentucky
and
they're
already
starting
to
build
places
for
people
to
stay.
D
So
looking
into
it,
kentucky's
not
huge
and
we
have
different
amenities,
different
places.
We
talked
about
a
different
thing
in
louisville
this
morning
onto
it,
we
work
in
conjunction
to
have
destination
kentucky
and
have
simply
you
can
take
somebody
from
louisville.
We
take
a
miller,
transportation
bus.
You
drive
them
down
to
eastern
kentucky,
they
stay
the
night
there.
They
have
the
event
you
come
back
over
and
you
go
up
to
northern
kentucky.
D
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
representative
fugit
phenomenal
presentation
today.
Just
have
a
quick
question.
Looking
at
the
maps
and
seeing
all
the
trails
when
it
comes,
does
some
of
those
trails
incorporate
privately
held
land
yeah?
So
how
does
that
go
about
to
get
those
leases
and
why
not
on
those
lands?
Okay,.
I
So
yes,
yes,
we
do,
we
will
be
crossing
private
lands
and
really
the
trails
that
are
mapped
right
now
are
trails
that
people
are
riding
every
day
right.
So
it's
not
like
we're
going
to
have
to
go,
build
these
trails,
they're,
already
being
ridden
and
so
private
landowners
we
have
well,
every
landowner
has
to
be
contacted
by
tim
or
scott,
or
you
know
the
next
person
that
we
hire
to
get
land
agreements.
I
Now
in
the
law
we
passed
in
17,
it
gave
the
landowners
sovereign
immunity
which
you
know
which
relieves
them
of
the
pressure
of
being
sued
and
all
that,
and
so
the
process
is
tim
will
identify
on
these
once
he
maps
these
out,
then
he
finds
out
who
the
landowners
are,
and
then
he
personally
goes
out
to
their
house
and
sits
down
drinks,
coffee
with
them
and
and
and
talk
talks
to
them
about
the
trail
system.
I
What
it
gives
them
the
opportunity
to
do
as
far
as
the
landowner
to
build
cabins
or
whatever
they
want
to
do
and
then
and
then
they
sign
the
lease
and
then
and
only
then
we
can't
we
can't
sell
permits
until
we
have
a
complete
track.
You
know
we
don't
want
to
go
10
miles,
an
half
turn
around,
come
back
the
same
10
miles
right
or
50
miles
and
come
back
the
same.
I
G
One
more
follow-up:
well,
I'm
an
eastern
kentucky
boy,
I'm
from
pike
county.
So
something
like
this
is
near
and
dear
to
my
heart,
seeing
how
impoverished
our
community
is
without
the
coal
mining
industry
being
what
it
used
to
be.
So
you
know
I
just
want
to
echo
what
senator
yates
said
that
we
have
so
many
great
destinations
in
kentucky.
If
we
can
connect
these
dots,
we
could
be
a
powerhouse
player.
So
thank
you
guys
for
your
work,
and
I
know
that
you'll
have
our
support.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair
representative,
thank
you
so
much
your
your
passion-
and
this
has
been
incredible
in
the
last
few
years
and
you
have
worked
diligently
on
it
and
and
put
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
into
it.
Just
a
couple
of
quick
questions.
F
You
have
a
governing
board.
Is
that
correct.
I
Yes,
sir,
we
have
a
12-member
board
board
nine
counties.
Nine
counties
represented
one
person
from
department,
local
government,
one
from
tourism
and
one
from
fish
and
wildlife
12
member
board.
I'm
a
non-voting
member
along
with
senator
smith
and.
I
I
It
does
and
and
the
way
we
do,
that
is
each
county
serves
three
years.
So
when
the
board
actually
started
when
we
first
organized
the
board
in
19
jury,
I
think
that's
right.
We
had
three
counties
that
only
served
one
year,
three
counties
that
served
two
three
counties
that
served
three
so
that
so
that
the
rotation
would
begin,
and
so
after
the
first
year,
three
dropped
off.
Three
new
ones
came
on.
That
would
serve
three
years,
and
so
it's
a
three-year
rotation.
I
F
What
about
enforcement
of
safety
issues,
things
that
might
occur?
Who
would
be
responsible
for
that?.
I
Okay,
so
the
trail
authority
will
eventually,
when
we
start
selling
permits,
and
this
again
this
is
patterned
after
hatfield
mccoy,
we
will
partner,
hopefully
with
fish
and
wildlife
or
local
sheriff's
departments,
to
contract,
with
law
enforcement
to
patrol
the
trails
for
drinking
litter
and
all
those
things
so
they'll
be
policed
by
the
trail
authority
will
hire
people
to
do
that.
F
Well
again,
thank
you
all
today
and
all
of
you
that
have
worked
diligently
on
this
and
for
your
support
or
for
your
passion
about
it
and
in
it,
and
it's
got
a
as
has
been
said
here.
It's
got
a
great
potential
boom
to
eastern
kentucky,
which
certainly
needs
that,
and
madam
chairman,
just
one
comment
here
when
representative
fugitt
come
first
come
up
here.
He
he
told
me
this.
I
F
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
thank
you,
representative
fugit,
and
thank
you
so
much
for
all
the
work
that
you
have
done
and
the
the
crowd
that
you
have
with
you
is
a
great
representation
and
the
support
that
you
have-
and
I
had
the
privilege
a
few
years
ago,
going
over
and
riding
on
the
trails
with
some
with
some
of
the
guys
and
it's
an
absolutely
beautiful
place.
D
And
if
you
have
the
opportunity
to
go,
if
the
invitation
is
ever
open,
please
let
us
know
we'll
gladly
come,
but
as
senator
yates,
when
you
mentioned
the
economic
impact,
38
million
dollars,
he
started
doing
math
and
I
had
as
well.
But
when
I,
when
I
looked
at
that
38
million
dollars,
if
you
look
at
15
an
hour
that
gives
you
a
little
over
1200
jobs
and
if
we
could
do
something
to
create
1200
jobs
in
eastern
kentucky
or
my
community
or
yours.
D
E
First
of
all,
is
there
an
ask
that
you
guys
are
wanting
over
and
above
what's
all
already
been
allocated
for
the
coming
year?
Well,.
E
1.5,
over
and
above
the
money
that
was
already
allocated
in
the
previous
session.
I
So
so
that
would
be
not
additional
money,
it
would
be
1.5
for
our
budget
for
the
next
two
years:
total
money
1.5.
So
there's
there's
three
funding
mechanisms
in
hatfield,
mccoy
first
of
all,
through
the
state
legislature,
they
got.
They
got
978
million
this
year
from
from
the
west
virginia
state
legislature,
and
then
they
sold
three
point
then
permits
pardoned
900.
What
did
I
say?
B
I
I
I
So
this
next
budget
cycle,
we
would
ask
for
1.5
total
from
state
from
the
state
becau,
and
it's
because
of
you
know
the
initial
startup
and
and
all
the
the
different
costs
of
equipment
and
adding
more
personnel
and
that
that's
why
the
1.5,
which
would
be
750
a
year
for
the
next,
the
next
two
years
and
and
if
we
can
re,
get
that
investment
returned
at
a
greater
amount.
It
won't
be
next
year,
but
in
years
to
come,
it'll
be
good.
Good
investment.
I
The
permit
cost
again
in
west
virginia
is
50
per
person
for
out
of
state
20
per
year
per
year
and
it's
26.50
per
person
for
in-state.
Now,
obviously,
local
landowners
don't
have
to
buy
permit
to
ride
on
their
own
property,
but
that
that's
what
the
cost
of
the
permits
are.
50
50
per
person
for
out
of
state
26.50
for
in-state
now
and
and
I'm
sure
that
we'll
probably
mirror
that
pretty
close.
E
When
you
get
the
leases
from
the
land
owners
are,
do
you
have
to
pay
anything?
Are
they
giving
it
to
you.
I
No,
sir,
that
they
there
will
not
be
any
money,
they
will
not
be
compensated
for
the
least.
Basically
it
is.
Most
of
these
landlords
are
being
ridden
on
already,
so
it
gives
them
sovereign
immunity
for
accidents
and
different
things.
Then
it
gives
them
the
opportunity
to
build
something
on
their
property
to
rent,
to
make
money
that
that's
the
selling
point
to
them.
E
And
I
think
this
is
my
last
question
you
were
talking
about
in
your
presentation,
people
staying
x
number
of
days
and
how
much
money
they
spend
where?
Where
did
those
estimates
come
from
that.
I
Came
from
hatfield,
mccoy
and
I
don't
know
exactly.
B
L
Actually,
the
executive
director
over
there
shared
that
information
with
me
a
couple
days
ago.
They
compiled
that
information
themselves.
They
actually
just
presented
that
to
the
tourism
committee
in
west
virginia
this
week.
E
If
you
do
this,
the
state
or
the
county
or
the
local
municipality
is
going
to
have
so
much
money,
and
I
guess
I'm
a
little
cynical,
because
it
seems
to
me
that
if
all
of
those
predictions
came
through,
we
would
be
flush
with
money
and
we
could
make
representative
hugo
to
representative
fugate.
E
So
the
I'm
very,
I
don't
trust
those
numbers
and
I'd
be
really
curious
if
you
could
prove
them
to
me.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
M
Yes,
thank
you.
So
this
is
something
way
out
of
my
experience.
I
think
I've
been
on
a
side
by
side
as
a
mule,
the
same
thing
as
a
side
by
side.
Okay,
so
I
have
a
friend
with
a
farm
in
south
of
glasgow.
I've
been
on
one
of
those,
so
my
question
is:
do
we
with
with
the
increased
pop
population
in
people
using
the
trails?
M
I
The
the
trail
authority
will
will
pay
for
the
insurance
for
that,
which
is
another
reason
why
the
1.5
million
dollar
ask
and
then,
as
far
as
the
infrastructure
as
far
as
fire
departments-
and
you
know
locally
and
and
I'm
sure,
there'll
have
to
be
some
added
but
locally.
The
volunteer
fire
departments.
I
I
don't
know
how
it
is
where
you
where
you
live,
but
the
volunteer
fire
departments
are
the
people
that
we
entrust
to
respond
to
atv
accidents
and
rescues
and
and
all
that
right
now-
and
you
know
there
is
a
lack
of
really
a
lack
of
participation
in
local
fire
departments
and
and
volunteering
and
service
and
stuff
like
that.
So
there
probably
would
be
an
added
cost.
But
once
we
get
you
know
to
the
point
we
where
we
hire
people
to
patrol,
then
you
know.
N
N
N
There
is
just
so
much
potential
that
it's
unbelievable.
Someone
had
mentioned,
ask
a
question
and
I
represent
east
pike
county.
There
is
already
trailblazers,
there's
actually
three
businesses
there
that
operate.
They
have
rentals,
they
do
tour
guides
you.
N
I
mean
you
get
a
guide
with
your
atv
and
they
also
provide
lodging,
and
I
can
tell
you
right
now-
they're
really
good
folks,
I've,
I've
ridden
with
them
and
the
cabins
they're
his
rental
property
excuse
me
stays
completely
full,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we're
seeing
is
that
a
lot
of
people
from
the
hatfield
and
mccoy
trail
we
are
on
the
border
of
west
virginia.
N
My
territory
is
the
river
just
separates
us,
but
a
tremendous
amount
of
those
people
that
ride
and
pay
in
west
virginia
for
hatfield
and
mccoy
they
come
and
they
ride
on
kentucky
property,
and
you
know
they're
doing
it
free
I
mean
they.
They've
got
the
they're
riding
our
trails
and
and
west
virginia
is
getting
the
money
for
it.
So
that's
something
that
we'll
have
to
hopefully
work
on,
and
you
know
it's
very
exciting.
I
see
all
kinds
of
potential.
N
H
Representative,
fugit
and
and
everybody
that
you've
got
here
with
you,
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
what
you're
doing
anybody
that
doesn't
think
that
this
is
going
to
be
huge,
can
come
right
here
to
central
kentucky
in
my
district
on
friday,
night
or
saturday
or
sunday
night,
and
see
the
trailered,
atvs
and
side
by
sides
that
are
going
somewhere.
We
might
as
well
keep
them
right
here
in.
H
This
is,
this
is
going
to
be
a
boom
for
y'all.
I
do
have
two
concerns.
One
I
think
we
just
touched
on
a
time
or
two
here
is:
is
people
getting
off
the
trail?
H
I
know
that's
a
an
issue
in
in
parts
of
eastern
kentucky
right
now,
gotta
just
pull
off
side
of
the
road
and
go
ride
on
somebody's
property.
You
know
right,
we
don't
want
that
to
happen
and
two
is
from
a
sportsman's
standpoint.
H
Fish
and
wildlife
and
hunting
and
stuff
brings
a
lot
of
money
into
this
state.
I
don't
want
to
see
this
infringe
on
that
or
that
to
hamper
this.
Have
you
all
looked
at
at
any
of
those
issues.
I
Right,
so
that's
so
the
first
question:
all
of
our
trails,
as
tim
said,
will
be
gpsed.
So
if
somebody's
riding
our
trails,
if
they
get
off
of
our
trail,
they'll
know
that
they're
off
of
it,
and
so
hopefully
you
know,
I'm
sure
that
there's
always
people
that
go
off
the
trail
always
but
that's
another.
That's
another
reason
why
we
need
police,
and
so
so
as
long
as
they
stay
on
the
the
trails
that
tim
gps's,
then
they'll
have
a
map
to
go
by
just
like
driving
from
here
to
missouri.
I
You
know
in
your
vehicle
second
question:
we
do
have
concerns
some
about
the
elk
because
of
you
know,
elk
season
and
different
seasons
like
that.
That's
that's
a
good
reason
why
we
have
fish
and
wildlife
on
our
board
to
help
us
make
those
decisions,
and
I
would-
and
I
would
think
and
we've
not
got
that
far
along
yet,
but
the
board
will
look
at
those
issues
in
certain
certain
areas
or
certain
trails
may
be
closed
during
a
certain.
I
You
know
long
rifle
elk
season
or
something
so
those
those
are
issues
that
we've
talked
about
and
that
we'll
have
to
care
for,
but
again,
that's
why
fish
and
wildlife
is
part
of
the
board.
C
Thank
you.
You
mentioned
that
you
have
you're
working
on
an
app
for
the
mapping
and
stuff.
How
quickly
is
that
going
to
be
up
and
going.
L
Yes,
that
is
something
that's
that
we've
kicked
around
amongst
ourselves
in
the
board
meetings.
Quite
often,
we
have
currently
been
using
one.
That's
already
out
there,
we've
been
using
gaia
gps
and
it's
been
it's
been
very
effective.
So
far
it
has
lander
on
landowner
layers,
that's
fairly
accurate
information.
It's
enough
to
get
us
started,
tim's
very
experienced
in
working
in
clerk's
offices,
indeed,
rooms,
so
he's
mpva
offices,
so
he's
very
experienced
at
finding
out
who
owns
what.
But
those
are
things
that
we
are
still
kind
of
working
out
ourselves.
L
That's
exactly
how
we're
going
to
present
this
to
the
user,
but
there
will
be
either
something
that
we
have
created
or
some
platform.
That's
there
now
that
we
will,
that
will
use
that's
very
accessible
to
everybody.
C
Is
there
on
a
current
website
with,
like
you
know
how
you
can
make
custom
google
map
designs
and
people
can
download
and
share
those
is
that
available
or
how
I'm
thinking
of
these
34
states
that
have
out
of
state
people
coming
in?
I
I
know
that
the
people
in
nott
county
don't
mind
having
no
gps,
but
I'm
thinking
of
all
the
other
states
who
may
not
be
used
to
our
terrain
or
our
lack
of
cellular
service.
L
That
is
actually
available
in
the
platforms
that
we've
been
using
ourselves.
You
can
download
the
maps
prior
to
writing
so
that
you
don't
have
to
have
service
while
you're
out
there,
but
you're
exactly
right.
People
do
need
to
have
that
information.
We
definitely
don't
want
people
from
all
over
the
country
getting
lost
in
the
mountains
out
here,
but
but
yeah
you.
L
What
you're
saying
is
are
the
same
things
that
we've
talked
about
in
our
meetings
and
it's
just
kind
of
a
a
process
of
of
us
deciding
what
the
best
way
to
present
this
to
the
user
is
going
to
be
at
the
end,
like
I
said,
we're
looking
at
things
that
are
already
there,
I'm
an
avid
rider
I
ride
just
about
every
weekend
and
I
map
everything
I
ride.
I
know
tim
rides
a
lot.
L
C
Awesome
well,
I
love
this
whole
thing.
I've
been
in
somewhat
involved
in
the
whole
atv
trail
from
not
having
lived
in
the
region,
not
having
family
in
the
region.
If
you
need
assistance
in
communicating
to
the
central
kentuckians
and
western
kentuckians
about
this,
please
hunt
me
down
because
I'll
be
happy
to
help
as
much
as
I
can.
Thank
you
thank.
L
A
Thank
you,
representative
and
your
entire
panel.
I
hope
you
can
see
by
the
curiosity
of
this
entire
committee.
We
we
really
do,
support
your
project
and
representative
beckler.
I
actually
asked
my
follow-up
question
about
the
budget
numbers
that
you're
requesting.
So
thank
you
to
everyone
that
traveled
traveled
far
to
be
here
with
us
today.
Again,
it's
wonderful
to
see
your
smiles
and
please
stay
tuned.
We
look
forward
to
it.
A
Our
next
presenter
will
be
representative
roberts,
one
of
our
committee
members.
She
has
been
working
on
our
next
agenda
item
for
several
weeks
and
and
actually
months
now,
so
we
look
forward
to
having
your
presentation.
Do
you
have
folks
in
person,
representative
roberts
or
is
everyone
online
they're
interested.
M
A
And
representative
roberts,
we
can
hear
you,
we've
got
a
really
good
connection,
so
I
would
love
for
you
to
introduce
your
guest
and
give
us
a
little
bit
of
background
of
why
this
presentation
is
important
to
you.
Thank
you.
Thank.
M
You
thank
you,
madam
chairwoman,
and
thank
you
members
of
the
committee,
so
today's
presentation
is
is
an
ongoing
conversation
that
we
many
of
us
started
when
we
were
at
the
state
fair
this
year
a
conversation
about
what
our
convention
centers
are
doing
to
recover,
and
I
wanted
us
to
have
this
ongoing
conversation
because
things
have
been
pivoting
quickly
throughout
covid.
M
I
know
a
lot
of
us
just
attended,
ncsl
and
we're
seeing
ourselves
that
conferences
are
starting
to
come
back
and
then
more
broadly
a
conversation
about
how
tourism
is
really
an
amazing
way
for
us
to
build
our
workforce
and
the
state
of
kentucky
that
when
people
come
to
visit,
our
amazing
commonwealth
they're
more
likely
to
want
to
move
and
live
in
our
commonwealth
to
help
us
grow
our
population
and
fill
all
of
these
amazing
jobs
that
we
are
seeing.
I
will
let
the
panel
start
to
introduce
themselves.
M
A
O
O
Thank
you.
I
I
want
to
take
my
time
to
let
you
know
about
a
change
of
management
at
the
central
bank
center
due
to
mr
owens
upcoming
retirement.
At
the
end
of
june,
the
lexington
center
corporation
board
decided
to
enter
into
an
agreement
with
oakview
group
facilities
or
ovg
facilities.
As
you
see
on
the
screen,
we
are
a
six-year-old
company.
O
We
are
in
the
business
of
managing
venues
and
doing
some
other
facets
of
the
live,
entertainment
industry
that
I'm
going
to
go
into
now.
O
I
myself
have
been
in
lexington
since
the
spring
of
2019
came
in
as
the
director
of
booking
for
rupp
arena
and
now
have
assumed
the
role
of
general
manager
as
of
october,
the
first,
who
founded
our
company,
the
three
principles
that
you
see
on
the
screen
there
tim
liewicki.
O
He
is
a
veteran
of
the
industry,
had
oversight
at
the
staples
center,
in
los
angeles,
the
o2
in
london
and
toronto.
Maple
leaves
obviously
in
canada,
irving
azoff,
who
is
a
member
of
the
rock
and
roll
hall
of
fame
and
who
has
been
named
one
of
the
most
powerful
people
in
the
music
industry.
O
With
his
son
manages
bands
like
the
eagles
fleetwood
mac
and
other
acts
like
harry
styles
and
bon
jovi,
peter
luco,
who
also
has
40
years
of
experience
in
our
industry,
former
president
of
the
philadelphia
flyers
and
76ers,
and
the
current
executive
chairman
of
the
florida
panthers
hockey
club.
Those
are
the
three
founders
of
our
company.
O
Our
company
has
various
branches
covering
every
facet
of
live
experience.
Ovg
facilities
is
the
facet
that
we
have
in
lexington,
so
we
manage
the
central
bank
center
rupp
arena
and
also
the
lexton
opera
house.
We
also
have
two
magazines
that
are
the
median
conferences
that
are
trade
magazines.
We
have
an
arena
and
stadium
alliance.
I'll
tell
you
about
the
arena
lines
in
just
a
quick
minute
and
also
our
global
partnerships
firm.
O
We
are
bringing
that
experience
to
lexington
and
and
all
of
those
professional
relationships
that
we
have.
We
were
awarded
the
sports
business
journals
best
in
property,
consulting
sales
and
client
services
this
year
during
covid,
we
kept
all
of
our
employees
on
and
were
able
to
continue
that
for
our
clients,
who
are
our
clients
beside
lexington.
One
of
the
major
facets
of
our
company
is
the
the
arena
alliance.
O
We
are
partners
in
29
arenas
in
the
united
states
covering
50
professional
sports
teams.
We
do
booking
services
for
them.
We
also
sell
global
partnerships
for
them,
as
you
just
saw
in
the
previous
slide
in
lexington.
We
have.
We
have
management,
services,
operations,
services,
booking
services
and
cover
all
of
the
aspects
of
the
operation
of
the
venue.
P
Thank
you,
brian.
It's
I'm
delighted
to
be
back
in
this
chamber.
It's
been
2016
since
I
was
here
last
and
I
see
some
familiar
faces
and
some
familiar
names
when
we
were
here
asking
for
your
support
to
expand
our
facilities
and
renovate
rupp
arena,
which
is
now
renova
rep
arena
at
central
bank
center.
I
thought
it
was
an
op
ideal
opportunity
to
introduce
to
you
oatview
group
and
what
the
future
of
our
facility
management
will
be.
P
I
also
thought
it
was
an
opportunity
to
present
some
images
of
phase
one
of
central
bank
center,
which
was
completed
last
summer
and
has
been
in
use
and
is
climbing
back
out
of
what
was
a
crushing
blow
to
the
meeting
convention,
travel
and
tourism
industry
march
12
2020
was
the
day
that
the
earth
stood
still
for
me.
We
were
in
the
second
day
of
the
girls
sweet
16.
P
P
We
went
from
126
full-time
employees
to
17
in
about
three
months
and
we
have
been
climbing
our
way
back
out,
but
the
ideal
thing
is,
and
one
of
the
good
news
in
a
very
competitive
environment
in
that
climb,
particularly
with
conventions
we're
entering
the
market
with
a
brand
new
facility
and
and
a
lot
of
the
tribute
and
a
lot
of
the
appreciation
for
that
goes
to
the
kentucky
general
assembly
who
in
2016,
gave
its
support
to
this
project
so
beginning
with
some
images,
and
if
I
can
operate
this
correctly,
that
is
a
rendering
that
you
may
have
seen
before.
P
It's
on
our
website
an
axonometric
design
of
rupp
arena,
a
new
convention
hall
there
on
the
left
hand
side
you
see
the
block
of
which
represents
the
hyatt
regency.
P
We
have
finished
phase
two,
which
includes
the
exhibit
hall
ballroom
half
of
our
meeting
rooms,
our
finished
phase,
one
phase
two
is
due
for
completion
in
the
end
of
february,
and
we
expect
the
project
to
to
wind
up
and
be
totally
complete
in
early
march
again
there,
another
axonometric
that
shows
you
the
spaces,
everything
pretty
much
where
the,
where
the
roof
is
coming
off
in
that
section
of
the
of
the
diagram,
is
complete
and
represents
phase
one,
and
now
you
see
some
actual
photographs.
P
That's
that's
from
north
of
the
building
hovering
over
the
lexington
opera
house
or
transylvania
university
with
rupp
arena
on
the
left-hand
side,
the
exhibit
hall
and
convention
meeting
spaces
on
the
right
hand,
side
under
construction,
the
pavilion
building
in
the
front
and
what
is
destined
to
become,
on
the
left
hand,
side
a
new
and
spectacular
entry
foyer
to
rupp
arena
at
level,
three
circulation
space
on
levels,
one
and
two
and
a
acclimatized
pedway
that
will
rejoin
the
hyatt
regency
lobby
to
the
arena
lobby.
P
Another
photograph-
that's
from
the
south
and
of
course
this
project
has
also
leveraged
town
branch
commons
and
soon
to
be
town
branch
park,
a
nine
acre
urban
park,
privately
funded
to
the
west
of
our
property.
That
shows
the
hyatt
regency
and
again
the
bridge
I
mentioned
that
will
join
those
two
together.
P
And
I'll
go
through
these
fairly
quickly,
that
is,
the
grand
lobby
entered
off
main
street
next
to
mary
todd.
P
You've
got
the
ballroom
on
the
right
hand,
side
you
go
up
one
level
of
escalator
to
meeting
rooms,
third
level
to
the
arena
concourse
and
the
exhibit
hall
that
stairway
pictured
there,
interestingly,
is
hand
constructed
out
of
white
oak
fence
panels,
reclaimed
from
claiborne
farm
home
of
1973
triple
crown
and
five-time
eclipse,
winner
secretariat.
P
P
That
is
the
pre-function
space
to
the
ballroom.
That
is
the
ballroom
itself.
We
went
from
17
000
square
feet
to
25
000
square
feet
and
believe
me,
it
is
state
of
the
art
again
pre-function
space
for
the
meeting
rooms,
lots
of
natural
materials.
That
is
a
a
glimpse
of
three
of
our
meeting
rooms
joined
together.
We
have
a
total
of
16
concurrent
breakout
spaces
and,
if
you
haven't
been
to
it,
I
look
forward
to
an
event
to
host
you
there,
where
you
might
be
able
to
to
attend.
P
That's
the
new
exhibit
hall,
which
again
is
a
terrific
facility
and
just
that
room
alone
of
financial
studies
in
2011
and
refreshed
in
2015
advised
that
the
overall
economic
impact
to
the
region
would
grow
from.
I
think,
as
I
recall,
to
a
little
over
37
million
to
over
50
million
dollars,
and
if
we
did
not
build
it,
we
would
see
it
begin
to
shrink
to
as
low
as
29
million
dollars
loading
dock
and
access
to
the
exhibit
hall.
P
So
with
that
I'll
ask
marcy
krueger
to
review
again,
our
industry
took
a
terrific
beating
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic.
We
are
in
the
process
of
of
climbing
back
out
of
that
beating
so
support
for
marketing
and
and
other
things
in
a
a
fiercely
competitive
convention
market
is
critical
not
only
for
lexington
and
central
kentucky,
but
indeed
the
entire
state
mercy.
Q
Q
In
lexington
alone,
our
hotels
lost
153
million
dollars
in
hotel
room
revenue
from
last
march
through
october
of
last
month,
and
that
doesn't
even
take
any
consideration
the
local
businesses,
how
much
they
lost
in
food,
beverage,
entertainment
and
retail
as
well.
Just
because
our
visitors
were
not
coming
to
town.
Q
Q
That's
representing
over
100
000
room
nights
that
never
materialize
in
our
city,
the
overall
economic
loss
to
lexington
from
just
meetings
and
convention
in
convention
attendees
is
over
42
million
dollars.
Currently,
that
is
an
average
loss
of
2.3
million
dollars
per
month.
By
not
having
those
meeting
attendees
in
our
city,
the
visitlex
operating
budget
was
reduced
by
more
than
4
million
dollars.
In
2020
we
started
the
year
with
8.3
million
dollars
and
then,
after
this
effect
happened,
we
would
reduce
our
budget
by
50,
which
impacted
staffing,
marketing
and
our
proactive
sales
effort
as
well.
Q
Q
We
are
in
the
recovery
mode
and
meetings
and
conventions
are
starting
to
come
back,
but,
like
bill
said,
the
competition
is
fierce.
That
is
why
the
statewide
tourism
industry
is
collectively
requesting
75
million
dollars
in
arpa
money,
our
city
competes
for
conventions
and
businesses,
mostly
in
larger
cities
that
have
a
much
larger
budget.
Our
top
competition
typically
is
cincinnati
columbus,
indianapolis,
memphis,
nashville
and
st
louis.
Just
to
mention
a
few
and,
as
you
all
know,
those
are
much
larger
cities
which
much
larger
budgets
as
well.
Q
I'm
happy
to
share
some
recent
wins
that
we
celebrated
as
a
team
that
are
a
direct
result
to
the
new
expanded
convention
center.
The
southeastern
theater
conference
outgrew
our
former
building,
and
they
said.
Let
us
know
if
you
change
the
building,
we
will
come
back.
We
just
earned
their
business
back
and
they're
going
to
return
to
lexington
in
2023..
Q
This
convention
alone
is
an
economic
impact
of
4.4
million
dollars
to
lexington
over
the
four
days
that
they're
in
our
city.
We
also
just
bid
on
the
national
bible
b
convention.
They
had
put
their
bid
out
to
over
10
cities
and
they
narrow
it
down
to
just
two.
It
was
tulsa,
oklahoma
and
lexington
kentucky,
and
we
are
pleased
to
say
that
we
did
earn
their
business
and
they
will
be
in
lexington
next
november,
so
november,
22,
it's
a
very
short
term
booking
and
that
booking
represents
a
economic
impact
of
2.3
million
to
lexington.
A
M
Thank
you.
Thank
you
to
the
presenters.
Y'all
did
a
great
job
thanks
so
much
for
bringing
that
gentlemen.
I'd
just
like
to
say
I'll
speak.
I
hope
not
out
of
turn
on
behalf
of
the
committee
that
we
all
love
to
take
you
up
on
the
invitation
to
come
tour,
the
new
facility,
and
perhaps
next
summer,
one
of
our
interim
joint
committees
could
be
held
there,
so
that
we
can
all
see
that
firsthand
marcy.
M
Thank
you
so
much
for
talking
about
the
arpa
funds
and
the
marketing,
and
I
wonder
if
perhaps
you
could
take
a
moment-
maybe
all
three
of
you
to
talk
about
how
we
can
help
to
better
market
the
commonwealth
for
these.
So
it's
great
that
we
have
upgraded
facilities,
it's
great,
that
our
regional
airports
and
our
international
airports
are
expanding
and
getting
flights
in.
So
I
know
that
conference
bookers
look
for
the
facility,
they
look
for
access.
What
else
can
we
do
to
help
elevate
kentucky
to
the
top
of
this
list?
What
would
those
marketing
messages?
Q
I
think
one
of
the
plans
that
we
have
is
to
make
sure
that
you
know
they
don't
always
think
of
kentucky
as
the
first
city
that
they
think
of
they
think
of
the
larger
top
competitive
cities,
and
I
think
it's
all
about
the
marketing
effort.
If
we
get
some
of
these
funds,
we
want
to
go
outside
of
kentucky
and
market
into
the
other
cities
that
are
most
likely
to
come
to
to
the
state
of
kentucky.
It's
all
about
awareness.
Q
The
other
thing
that
we
can
do
is
at
these
conventions
that
we
go
to
when
we
meet
with
meeting
planners.
Q
It's
really
important
if
we
can
go
and
be
a
sponsor,
which
means
I
would
sponsor
lunch
and
we'd
get
be
able
to
get
up
there
in
front
of
the
2000
meeting
planners
and
be
able
to
show
a
beautiful
video
of
kentucky
when
they
see
what
we
look
like
they're
like
wow,
that
your
state
is
gorgeous,
but
I
had
never
been
there
before
so
the
more
we
can
market
and
promote
the
beautiful
surroundings
and
the
new
facilities.
I
think
it
would
be
extremely
helpful,
brian
or
bill
anything
else.
You'd
like
to
add
on
that
good.
P
Q
A
R
I
I
heard
that
you
were
leaving
us
and,
and
you
will
you
will
sorely
be
missed
by
by
you
know
not
just
the
lexington
community
but
across
the
state,
you've
been
just
an
excellent,
excellent
leader
of
the
convention
center
there,
and
I
don't
know
if
the
members
remember
that
you
actually
hosted
us
back
in
back
in
2016
during
the
southern
legislative
conference
and
and
the
facilities
you
provided
and
to
help
you
extend
it
to
all.
The
legislators
from
across
the
state
was
just
significant.
R
I
remember
a
group
from
mississippi
came
to
me
and
wanted
to
see
rupp
arena
and
and
and
two
of
the
uk
locker
rooms
and
and
all
the
the
the
the
just
the
the
glory
of
rupp
arena.
You
were
very
gracious
in
allowing
those
mississippi
legislators
to
come
and
see.
Rupp
arena
see
the
uk,
the
wildcats
locker
rooms,
and
so
I
appreciate
everything
you've
done
bill
and
and
as
to
you
marcy
it's
good
to
see
you.
I
probably
need
to
get
on
your
calendar
because
it
looks
calendared
soon.
R
B
B
A
You,
madam
chair,
thank
you,
representative,
representative,
dotson,.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
thank
you
for
the
presentation
today.
Just
from
my
own
curiosity,
I
guess
asking
for
75
million
of
the
arpa
money.
Could
you
explain
a
small
breakdown
of
how
those
monies
could
be
used
like
building?
Is
it
building
staff,
promotional
materials
and
how
are
we
marketed
when
it
comes
to
conventions,
because
I'm
trying
to
figure
it
out?
I
don't
know
much
about
that
business
model.
Just
for
my
own
curiosity,.
Q
Q
A
Thank
you
and
to
representative
dotson's
point
in
economic
development.
We
took
up
the
kentucky
tourism
industry
associations,
one
page
and
that
is
actually
listed
under
meeting
materials
from
our
9
a.m.
Today
meeting
so,
if
you'd
like
to
access
that
it's
it's
included
in
economic
developments
today,
meeting
materials,
if,
if
I
am
not
terribly
mistaken,
I
do
believe
our
cattlemen
convention
is
going
to
be
held
back
in
lexington
mid-january.
A
So
if
I'm
looking
at
my
calendar
correctly,
that
will
be
the
first
time
I'll
be
on
site
to
see
all
these
wonderful
improvements.
I've
heard
wonderful
feedback
from
my
husband.
That's
been
there
for
other
other
meetings,
but
I
look
forward
to
seeing
you
all
mid-january.
We
have
three
more
questions.
Another
good
presentation
here,
representative
hale.
F
P
P
Thank
you.
There's
a
great
staff
there
and
I've
been
blessed
over
my
32
years
to
reap
the
benefits
of
that
great
staff
and
look
forward
to
the
next
era
under
oat
view
facilities
management,
but
it
is
working
with
the
border
control
and
with
commissioner
dac
that
they
are
home
in
lexington
and
we
aim
to
keep
them
there.
P
It
it's
typically
at
most
five,
the
and-
and
it
requires
some
flexibility,
sometimes
when,
when
they
know
their
dates
before
ncaa
knows
their
dates
for
first
and
second
round
or
regional
play,
so
they've
always
been
good
to
work
with
us
in,
though,
in
that
you
know
changing
environment,
but
I
think
at
the
most
it
has
been
a
a
a
five-year
agreement
that
renewed,
but
that
was
just
for
the
boys.
You
know
we
added
the
girls
two
years
ago.
D
Thank
you
for
your
presentation
today
and
your
success
actually
bleeds
over
to
scott
county.
Where
I
live,
so
I
definitely
want
to
see
that
succeed.
I
have
a
question
again
as
you
all
expand.
The
conventions
have
more
I'm
in
there,
which
is
great,
but
right
now
we
have
a
workforce
participation
problem
in
the
state
of
kentucky.
I'm
a
small
business
owner.
I've
got
problems
at
my
company,
as
you
start
booking
those
and
we're
56.3,
which
is
49th
49th
in
the
nation.
O
I
think
one
of
the
benefits
of
having
some
other
venues
in
our
general
area,
whether
it
be
louisville
or
northern
kentucky
is
we
can
share
some
services
at
times.
So
we
do
share
things.
O
We
have
a
third
party
food
and
beverage
provider
that
is
also
the
provider
at
some
of
the
venues
in
louisville,
so
they're
able
to
share
employees
security.
There
are
some
security,
private
security
firms
that
we
use,
that
we
can
also
share
services
with
and
some
of
the
other
venues.
So
that's
what
we've
really
had
some
great
benefit
with
it's
also
because
we're
so
close
to
the
university
of
kentucky
and
they
operate
some
athletic
facilities,
we're
able
to
use
some
of
their
staff
and
some
other
students
to
come
and
work
for
us
as
well.
O
So
we
are
not
at
100
as
I
I
don't
think
anybody
is,
but
we're
definitely
being
being
creative
and
using
our
partnership
with
some
other
facilities
to
make
that
happen.
D
J
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair
I'd,
like
to
add
my
congratulations
to
to
bill
owens
on
his
retirement.
Thank
you
for
what
you've
done
over
the
years.
Brian
marcy.
Thank
you
all
very
much.
I
I'd
like
two
things.
A
couple
of
things
one
is
can:
can
we
get
a
copy
of
this
presentation
to
powerpoint?
J
I
thought
that
was
very
good.
The
second
thing
can
we
get
a
a
tour
as
soon
as
possible.
The
facility
is
absolutely
awesome,
especially
that
on
main
street
it
looks
like
a
spaceship
coming
down
out
of
out
of
what
star
wars
and
that
it
is
just
an
awesome.
Looking
building
and
right
now
I
think
the
ingress
and
egress
is
only
on
high
street.
Is
that
correct,
interrupt.
P
It
is
now
on
main
street
you
can.
You
can
enter
off
of
main
street
there
next
to
mary
todd,
lincoln
and
access
the
rupp
concourse
at
that
point
by
march,
it'll
be
full-blown
access
on
high
street,
both
on
the
east
and
west
side
and
on
vine
street
on
the
the
east
and
west
side
of
the
arena
and
and
just
believe
me,
the
east
entry
atrium
into
rupp
arena
on
there
close
to
broadway
is
absolutely
spectacular.
J
I
I
sense
that
it
looks
like
very
futuristic.
It
looks
like
something
from
star
wars,
the
you
you
mentioned,
you
all
mentioned
the
the
pedway
or
the
connection
between
the
hyatt
and
and
and
the
arena
and
and
the
convention
center.
There
is
going
to
be.
That
connection.
Is
that
going
to
be
enclosed.
P
Yes,
it
is
enclosed
and
climatized.
It's
a
30
30
foot
wide
pedway
connecting
those
two
lobbies
for
inclement
weather,
but
you're
also
going
to
be
able
to
go
directly
out
of
the
hyatt
lobby
into
the
exterior
entrance
and
if
you
recall
back
from
1976
before
we
did
the
2001
expansion
with
the
commonwealth's
help.
P
J
Yeah,
it
got
congested
there,
one
other
thing
and
I've
forgotten
the
number.
Can
you
tell
me
how
much
the
expansion
of
and
and
the
renovation
cost,
what.
P
Cost
total
project
cost
is
310
million
dollars.
I
might
add
at
that
juncture,
when
the
pandemic
hit,
it
left
us
absolutely
empty
to
be
able
to
make
debt
payments
and
the
city
issued
an
additional.
P
I
think
about
32
million
dollars
of
bond
indebtedness
and
took
about
30
months
of
debt
service
and
put
it
on
the
back
of
the
loan.
So
the
the
city's
investment
in
this
project
is
vastly
more
than
was
originally
anticipated
in
2016,
but
that
just
shows
the
support
of
getting
this
project
finished
after
10
years
over
10
years
of
of
planning,
design
and
construction.
J
P
J
Okay,
thank
you.
I
I
just
want
to
thank
you
on
behalf
of
the
citizens
of
lexington,
fayette,
county
and
and
understanding
how
important
that
facility
is
in
the
heart
of
our
city
to
every
lexingtonian
and
every
person
in
central
kentucky.
We
provide,
I
think,
the
venues
and,
as
representative
pratt
said
out
in
scott
county,
everybody
comes
to
lexington
with
the
university
of
kentucky
being
in
lexington.
It
is
the
hub
of
the
wheel,
so
thank
you
very
much
for
coming
up
with
a
a
unique
opportunity
and
a
unique
facility.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Absolutely
and
for
representative
brown
and
all
of
our
committee
members,
all
of
these
presentations
are
available
under
meeting
materials
on
the
lrc
website.
Representative
roberts.
I
sincerely
appreciate
your
hard
work
on
this,
bringing
this
good
presentation
into
us
and
I'm
going
to
circle
back
to
you
for
any
final
closing
remarks.
M
Thank
you
so
much
chairwoman,
oh,
and
thank
you
again
to
the
presenters.
You
guys
did
a
great
job.
I
know
each
of
us
here
is
cheering
you
on
and
cheering
on,
the
convention
business
in
the
state
of
kentucky
and
I'll
just
reiterate,
and
if
you
all
have
any
maybe
comments
on
this
as
we
close
just
how
important
it
is
to
get
people
to
come
to
our
amazing
state
if
they
come
as
tourism
for
tourism
or
they
come
visitors
for
a
convention
and
once
they
see
our
state,
it's
one
of
the
best
tools.
M
A
You
thank
you.
I
will
draw
the
committee's
attention
to
item
number
five.
We
have
received
two
reports
that
does
neither
require
any
discussion
or
action
on
our
part.
A
is
the
kentucky
economic
development,
finance
authority,
construction
activity,
report
and
b,
the
commonwealth
office
of
technology,
2021
personal
information,
security
and
breach
notification
annual
report,
so
that
information
will
be
in
full
text
at
the
at
the
meeting
materials
site.
A
We
do
not
have
a
december
meeting
scheduled,
I
anticipate
with
tourism
being
so
important
to
kentucky
and
our
economy.
I
think
we'll
be
meeting
quite
often
during
the
regular
session,
but
I
just
wanted
to
give
this
final
statement
this.
This
will
be
the
last
meeting
for
the
tourism,
small
business
and
information
technology,
interim
joint
committee
meeting
our
interim
and
here's
a
list
of
our
staff,
and
I
wish
we
could
just
give
them
a
wonderful
round
of
applause
for
their
very,
very
stellar
work.
A
We
we
have
sasha
allen,
kirk
smith,
audrey
ernst
berger
and
drew
baldwin
who
served
us
all
this
entire
interim
and
andrew
mano,
which
has
been
with
this
committee
for
quite
some
time,
has
gone
on
to
a
different
department
here.
In
lrc,
but
janine,
if
you
could
raise
your
hand,
this
is
janine
coy
and
she
will
be
our
new
committee
staff
assistant
and
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
fun.
I
think
we've
got
the
most
fun
committee
here
in
the
general
assembly.
A
A
Any
other
comments
co-chair
pratt
again.
D
I
want
to
write
the
chairman's
sims
day,
thanks
staff,
for
putting
up
with
us.
Thank
you
for
making
us
look
good
and
thank.