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Again,
welcome
everyone
to
the
committee
for
those
of
you
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remotely.
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muted.
A
With
the
committee
meeting
link
before
we
begin
today,
I
would
like
to
offer
some
congratulations
to
senator
schroeder
co-chair
schroeder
and
his
wife
marcy
on
the
birth
of
their
daughter,
sophia
lynn,
on
september
3rd,
and
I'm
sure
that
his
children,
grace
and
trey
are
very
excited
to
have
a
new
baby
sister
in
their
home,
so
senator
schroeder.
We
offer
you
our
congratulations
and
very
happy
for
you
this
morning
we
do
have
a
quorum.
Can
I
have
a
motion
for
approval
of
the
minutes?
A
A
We
do
have
a
pretty
busy
agenda
today,
so
I
want
to
get
started
as
we
as
we
jump
into
it.
The
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
unemployment,
insurance
for
victims
of
domestic
violence
and
abuse.
This
is
a
piece
of
legislation
that
was
sponsored
by
representative
carney
and
co-sponsored
by
representative
hevron.
A
At
this
point,
I'd
like
to
ask
them
to
come
forward
to
the
desk,
introduce
yourselves
for
the
record
any
folks
that
are
here
that
will
be
presenting
with
you
remotely
or
in
person,
ask
them
to
introduce
themselves
as
well
and
after
you've
done
that
you
can
begin
your
presentation
to
the
committee.
H
I'm
nima
kulkarni,
I'm
the
state
representative
for
district
40.
and
I'd
like
to
introduce
our
guests
the
presenters
as
well.
Thank
you
first
of
all,
chairman
weber
and
colleagues,
for
your
consideration
of
this
legislation.
Today
we
are
joined
by
tanya
thomas
from
spring
haven,
jillian
cardin,
from
silverleaf
and
katie
showalter
from
the
university
of
kentucky,
who
will
be
the
primary
presenters
on
this
issue.
H
This
is
something
that
I've
worked
on
for
the
past
few
sessions.
That
was
brought
to
me
by
a
constituent
and
it's
it's
an
issue
that
is
at
the
same
time
that
it
is
desperate
and
urgent,
something
that
is
also
clouded
with
silence
and
a
lot
of
stigma
attached
to
it.
H
I
I
can
start
thank
you
everyone
for
having
me
my
name
is
katie
showalter
and
I'm
an
assistant
professor
at
the
university
of
kent,
of
kentucky
in
the
college
of
social
work,
and
I
have
been
studying
gender-based
violence
and
employment
for
about
eight
years
now.
So
this
is
something
that's
very
important
to
me.
I
I
I
15
million
dollars
is
spent
on
domestic
violence,
costs
alone
of
health
care
and
loss
of
productivity
in
the
workplace,
and
sexual
violence
and
stalking
also
is
a
frequently
impacted
form
of
violence.
With
survivors
experiencing
about
15
days
of
work
loss
per
year,
victims
are
financially
dependent
upon
their
abusive
partners,
often
times
by
design
abusive
partners
strategically
control
their
victims
finances
specifically.
I
What
I
look
at
is
the
way
they
control
their
employment,
and
my
research
shows
that
when
you
are
experiencing
intimate
partner
violence,
you
can
be
unemployed
for
up
to
six
years,
even
after
that
abuse
ends.
So
it's
a
very
long
process
and
the
reason
because
is
because
of
the
mental
health
and
the
physical
well-being
and
that
impact
that
it
has
on
the
victim.
I
I
Specifically,
there
is
a
fear
of
re-victimization
that
I
think
you'll
hear
from
the
other
presenters
on
income
loss
is
a
huge
issue
for
survivors,
but
it's
also
tied
to
the
loss
of
other
resources
like
social
relationships
and
benefits
for
the
survivor.
So
it's
really
like
a
chain
reaction
that
survivors
are
experiencing.
I
That's
really
important,
because
nearly
3
million
people
have
been
unemployed
just
this
month
in
the
us,
and
those
rates
are
highest
among
women
not
only
in
the
us,
but
also
in
kentucky,
and
that's
really
unique,
because
that
hasn't
happened
since
the
1990s,
and
so
we
are
seeing
lots
of
unemployment
and
specifically
unemployment
insurance
would
really
help
victims
who
are
experiencing
intimate
partner,
violence,
sexual
violence
or
stalking
to
regain
that
stability
in
their
life.
Thank
you
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
J
J
We
assist
individuals
and
families
every
day
in
the
aftermath
of
sexual
violence,
and
the
ripple
effect
like
catherine
was
saying
is
it
impacts
every
aspect
of
their
life
and
really
vice
versa.
J
J
J
One
day
at
work,
I
was
asked
to
cover
an
extra
shift.
Overtime.
Pay
would
be
great,
but
I
needed
somebody
to
watch
the
kids,
so
I
called
owen
and
asked
if
he
would
be
willing-
and
he
said
he
was
glad
to
so.
I
got
home
that
night
exhausted
from
the
long
day
the
house
was
quiet
and
owen
said
that
homework
was
done,
pizza
was
eaten
and
the
kids
made
it
to
bed
on
time,
and
I
told
him
how
much
I
appreciated
everything
that
he
did
and
helping
me
out.
J
J
J
I
called
in
the
next
day
too,
and
the
day
after
that
I
couldn't
sleep.
I
felt
anxious
all
the
time.
I
would
sit
in
the
parking
lot
across
from
the
school
terrified
that
he
was
going
to
show
up
and
check
the
kids
out
and
and
take
them
away,
and
it
didn't
help
that
owen
kept
texting
me
like
nothing
had
happened.
J
J
J
J
J
K
Okay,
thank
you
good
morning
to
all
the
representatives
and
thank
you
today
for
listening
to
my
testimony
on
this
very
important
issue.
My
name
is
tanya
thomas
and
I'm
the
executive
director
of
spring
haven
domestic
violence
program
in
elizabethtown
kentucky.
We
served
also
the
lincoln
trail
ad
district
and
are
the
shelter
for
the
military
on
fort
knox.
K
Throughout
my
21
years,
at
springhaven,
I've
seen
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
survivors
of
domestic
violence,
as
well
as
their
dependents,
come
through
our
doors
of
what
I
like
to
call
our
temporary
home.
Some
of
you
representatives
have
been
here,
and
you
can
definitely
say
it
is
not
the
epitome
of
what
you
think
a
shelter
is.
It
is
a
temporary
home.
K
Most
of
you
are
aware
that
financial
abuse
is
one
of
the
primary
tactics
that
perpetrators
use
to
keep
their
partners
trapped
in
an
abusive
relationship.
If
you
can
be
kept
at
home,
you
can
be
controlled.
83
of
domestic
violence
survivors
report,
their
ability
to
work
was
negatively
impacted
by
an
abusive
partner.
K
K
They
use
verbal
abuse
to
make
them
feel
less
than
and
saying
that
they
are
not
contributing
to
the
household,
so
they
let
them
get
a
job
and
setting
them
up
for
failure.
Throughout
my
tenure
at
spring
haven,
I
have
seen
many
faces
that
have
found
their
path
to
financial
independence,
only
to
endure
further
abuse
trauma.
Domestic
violence,
related
obstacles
for
maintaining
stable,
employ
employment.
K
If
you're
wondering
what
that
looks
like,
if
you
would
just
picture
with
me
this,
it
looks
like
sarah,
whose
abuser
insisted
that
she
get
a
job
because
she
was
lazy
and
she
contributed
nothing
to
the
family
income
after
gaining
employment.
Sarah
was
made
to
call
in
sick
several
times.
She
was
made
to
call
and
say
she
had
no
transportation.
K
K
It
also
looks
like
jennifer
who's
made
to
feel
like
she
is
not
anything
but
a
mother
and
a
cook,
so
she
has
to
get
a
job
after
a
week
on
the
job.
The
phone
calls
and
the
texts
begin,
and
we
all
know
at
most
places
you're
not
allowed
to
get
personal
phone
calls
and
texts,
and
so,
when
they're
not
answered,
then
the
harassment
begins.
K
The
partner
will
often
go
to
the
place
of
employment.
Sit
out
in
the
parking
lot
drive
around
the
building,
and
if
they
can,
they
will
go
and
sit
in
the
lobby
and
or
reception
area
and
just
sit
when
it
was
time
for
jennifer
to
get
off
work.
Of
course,
her
ride
was
there
and
she
went
home
and
then
the
abuse
began
again
not
being
able
to
handle
this
pressure
and
embarrassment.
K
K
K
H
I'd
like
to
thank
all
of
the
presenters-
and
I
think
we
can
take
questions
if
any
committee
members
have
them.
I
just
wanted
to
go
over
very
quickly
some
parameters
of
the
bill
before
we
do
that
there
was
a
fact
sheet
distributed
to
the
members
that
was
compiled
by
the
kentucky
association
of
sexual
assault
programs
and
kentucky
coalition
against
domestic
violence,
who
I've
worked
closely
with
with
to
craft
this
bill,
and
I
just
want
to
you
know,
point
out
a
few
provisions.
H
This
amends
the
unemployment
insurance
statute,
which
is
krs-341,
and
it
allows
for
survivors
to
provide
documentation.
So
there
is
an
evidentiary
requirement
for
this,
which
includes
court
records,
police
records,
sworn
statements,
statements
from
shelter,
workers
like
silverleaf
and
springhaven
attorneys,
healthcare
providers,
etc.
H
H
There
is
a
provision
in
there
that
the
kentucky
office
of
unemployment
insurance
would
be
trained
to
provide
training
for
their
employees
on
domestic
dating
sexual
and
stalking
violence
and
benefits,
applications
that
are
submitted
within
the
context
of
this
legislation,
and
there's
also
a
provision
for
the
secretary
to
send
an
annual
report
to
to
us
for
the
number
of
claims
filed
so
that
we
can
have
some
data
collection
and
the
better
understanding
of
the
scope
of
this
issue.
In
kentucky,
and
with
that
chairman,
I
guess
we'll.
We
can
open
it
up
to
any
questions.
A
Thank
you.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions.
Then
we
have.
We
do
have
a
question
from
a
member,
so
it
was
indicated
earlier
that
about
three
million
folks
are
unemployed.
That
would
fall
in
the
u.s
that
would
fall
under
this.
The
parameters
of
this
bill
or
qualify
for
it
is.
A
Can
you
give
me
some
kind
of
idea
as
to
first
of
all,
how
many
states
participate
in
a
program
similar
to
what
you've
outlined
in
your
bill
and
also
what
what
kind
of
numbers
are
we
talking
about
in
terms
of
individuals,
and
maybe
if
you
have
that
for
a
state
that
is
close
to
kentucky
that's
comparable.
H
The
changes
within
the
variations
within
those
statutes
are
with
evidentiary
requirements
with
what
how
much
regulations
are
promulgated
by
the
agency
versus
the
legislature.
H
There's
this
particular
bill
has
a
fairly
open
evidentiary
requirement.
Some
of
them
would
not,
for
instance,
allow
statements
by
a
sworn
statement
by
the
survivor
or
sworn
statements
by
people
that
were
close
to
the
situation.
They
would
need
court
records
police
records
hospital
records.
Things
like
that,
but
to
your
question
about
the
number
of
individuals
in
kentucky,
I
do
not
have
that
because
we
don't
really
have
a
way
to
track
right
now,
which
of
these
situations
fall
under
the
provisions
of
this
bill
in
states
that
have
legislation
to
this
effect.
H
H
So
in
connecticut,
like
the
last
two
years,
the
cost
of
benefits
paid
was
about
169
000.
In
montana,
the
average
cost
of
benefits
paid
in
a
year
ranges
from
25
to
60
000,
with
an
average
of
20
domestic
violence-based
claims
to
sexual
assault
and
stalking-based
claims
in
about
a
year.
But
I
can
get
that
information
to
you
as
much
as
we
have
it,
because
again,
there's
not
a
lot
of
information
or
data
specific
to
how
many
claims
would
fall
under
the
provisions
of
this
particular
bill.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
presenters
and
our
our
ones
online
as
well.
I
certainly
appreciate
your
testimony
today
and
I
appreciate
committee
staff
getting
this
to
us,
so
we
could
read
over
it
before
today's
meeting
and
representative
carney
touched
on
my
question.
It
would
be
under
6b
the
documentation
that
you
expanded
on
my
question.
Disregarded.
F
Could
the
employee
give
a
sworn
testimony
within
their
own
employment
area
or
do
they
need
to
go
to
these
outside
organizations
that
you
spoke
to?
I
guess
I'm
asking:
could
they
just
go
to
their
hr
department
and
provide
a
sworn
testimony
there
would
that
suffice
for
the
documentation
needed
for
your
bill.
F
H
H
Are
people
not
comfortable
going
to
their
own
hr
departments,
because
the
hr
departments
may
not
necessarily
be
very
well
versed
in
in
these
situations
and
and
they
have
their
own
duty
in
terms
of
liability
that
they
might
say
we're
not
going
to
entertain
this
or
provide
anything
in
writing
for
purposes
of
unemployment
benefits.
So
we're
not
sure
I
guess
the
answer
is
in
that
in
that
context.
H
But,
yes,
it
would
be
allowed
under
this
bill.
It
would
be
any
kind
of
documentary
evidence
that
the
survivor
could
provide.
You
know
to
to
prove
this
situation
and
their
need
for
unemployment
coverage.
F
Okay,
just
one
quick
follow-up.
If
I
may
yes
thank
you,
so
they
could
go,
the
employee
could
go
to
any
of
the
other
organizations
that
you
mentioned
and
several
of
those
are
outlined
in
the
in
the
draft,
and
then
the
hr
department
would
be
required
to
take
that
in
I'm
they
would.
They
would
need
to
accept
that
sworn
statement
from
an
outside
organization.
E
H
So
the
the
time
limit
would
be
the
same
as
anybody
that
would
be
eligible
for
unemployment
benefits.
So
as
long
as
the
condition
persists
that
made
them
eligible,
they
would
continue
to
be
covered.
It
doesn't
change
anything
about
the
unemployment
benefits
process.
It
just
adds
this
category
to
cover
this
particular
population.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
representative
huff
asked
one
of
the
questions
that
I
had,
and
I
guess,
as
maybe
a
follow-up,
obviously
to
at
least
in
normal
times.
I'm
not
talking
about
what
we've
gone
through
lately
with
covid
you're
required
to
go
out
and
look
for
alternative
employment.
L
Obviously,
given
some
of
the
other
difficulties
which
were
eloquently
described
here
today,
that
you
know
I
could
see
where
there
could
be
some
issues,
especially
probably
on
the
front
end
when
they're
just
experiencing
their
victimization,
that
you
know
might
prevent
them
immediately
from
going
to
get
other
employment.
But
would
there
be
any
requirement
at
least
that
they
go
to
counseling
or
attempt
to
obtain
the
necessary
care
that
to
try
to
overcome
this
to
get
back
into
the
workforce
in
order
to
draw
these
benefits.
H
So
there's
not
a
requirement
per
se
to
get
counseling
there
are.
I
will
point
out
that
there
are
in
other
states,
provisions
that
waive
requirements
like
you're
actively
searching
for
a
job
because
you're
going
to
counseling
or
trying
to
get
back
on
your
feet
after
a
situation
like
this
occurs,
but
there
is
not
a
mandate
for
counseling
and
there's
not
this
waiver
in
this
particular
version,
but
talking
to
stakeholders
and
talking
to
members.
Certainly
that
can
be
added
to
allow
them
to
pursue
that
much
needed
therapy.
F
One
of
the
reasons
is
the
worker
believes,
leaving
work
is
necessary
and
then,
at
the
end,
the
sworn
statement
by
the
worker
and
as
we're
discussing
the
stories,
and
I
can
think
to
how
this
would
probably
work
in
this
situation.
You
get
really
frozen
and
don't
want
to
talk
to
anybody
and
also
do
not
want
to
move
any
pieces
in
your
life
at
all,
and
so
I
think,
and
you
can
stay
frozen
for
a
very
long
time
and
I
think
what
we're
hearing
stories
of
is.
F
You
know
explaining
how
these
people
get
frozen
and
they
are
they.
Don't
they
don't
know
what
to
do,
and
so
they
don't
do
anything,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
concerns
me
is
the
language
that
allows
them
to
independently
make
this
decision
and
also
make
statements
on
their
own,
because
I
think
especially
if
we're
going
to
support
them
with
employment
coverage,
we
need
to
be
pushing
them
out
the
door
to
talk
to
somebody.
You
know
the
rest
of
the
list
is
a
great
list.
F
It's
not
going
to
be
easy,
but
we
have
to
push
them
to
get
to
the
center,
the
shelter,
the
clergy,
the
mental
health,
whoever
that
I
think
is,
has
to
be
the
goal
because
it
is
taking
that
first
step
and
instead
of
you
know
letting
things
get
more
stuck
over
time
while
they're,
I
guess
fresh
pliable,
whatever
you
get
out
there
and
get
some
help
and
have
that
person
helping
them,
I
think
would
be
the
only
way
that
we
could
even
see
them
getting
out,
because
if
they
can
make
their
own
statement
and
get
through
this
themselves,
then
they're
still
alone
and
they're
still
frozen,
and
I
don't
see
that
long
term
you
mentioned
evidence-based,
I'm
not
sure,
there's
tons
of
studies
out
there,
I'm
just
thinking
in
real
life.
F
You
know
how
my
brain
works,
and
I
know
a
lot
of
these
people
are.
You
know
my
age
range
certainly
not
all,
certainly
not
same
demographics,
and
I
mean
definitely
there's
a
wide
range
of
people
are
affected.
Everybody
can
be
affected,
but
I'm
just
saying
thinking
through
mentally,
where
I
would
see
this
and
people
I've
worked
with.
That
would
be
my
main
concern
that
I
think
we
could
work
on.
H
And-
and
I
appreciate
your
your
comments
and
we'll
take
that
into
consideration.
Certainly
this
is
still
a
work
in
progress,
so
we're
going
to
try
to
pre-file
it
in
october,
which
is
domestic
violence
awareness
month.
But
before
that,
we're
going
to
take
into
consideration
comments
from
members
and
stakeholders
as
well,
and
I
think
my
co-sponsor
had
something.
B
And
this
kind
of
goes
to
senator
wheeler
as
well
senator
southworth.
I
think
dr
cardin
made
a
good
point
too,
though,
about
employment.
Is
that
making
sure
you
know
they're
not
always
able
to
go
to
counseling
because
the
job
might
not
allow
them?
So,
hopefully
we
can
find
a
a
middle
there.
That
is
helpful
with
the
employee,
an
employer,
but
also
you
know
just
to
be
empathetic.
I
think
it's
hard
to
push
somebody
to
do
counseling
until
they're
ready.
B
I
would
hate
for
us
to
put
a
mandate
for
them
to
go
to
counseling
when
they're
not
ready
to
deal
with
the
issues.
That's
been
in
front
of
them.
Although
they're
making
a
statement,
they
could
be
making
a
statement
to
feed
their
children
or
they
could
be
making
a
statement
just
to
to
keep
their
home.
A
Our
final
question
on
this
discussion
is
going
to
come
from
representative
callaway
afterwards.
I
would
encourage
any
members
that
do
have
questions
if
you
can
reach
out
to
representative
col,
carney
and
representative
hevron.
I
know
they'll
be
happy
to
to
answer
those
for
you,
representative,
callaway.
C
Yes,
thank
y'all
for
the
presentation.
Some
of
the
questions
that
I
had
have
already
been
asked.
I
think,
in
my
mind
that
the
goal
is
rehabilitation.
C
So,
if
we're
getting
involved
in
their
life
with
this
situation,
how
do
we
put
things
in
place
so
that
they
actually
get
through
it,
and
I
know
that's
hard
for
us
to
be
involved
from
a
legislative
standpoint,
but
to
be
able
to
help
them
truly
help
them
financially
enables
them
to
maybe
move
forward
with
their
life,
and
so
mandates
are
not
mandates.
I
think
it's
definitely
worth
discussing
of.
How
do
we
put
something
in
place
that
allows
that
to
happen?
C
H
K
A
Our
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
kentucky
affordable,
housing
act.
That
is
a
legislation
I
think
pre-filed
by
representative
bridges
there.
He
is
representative
bridges
if
you'll
come
forward
and
bring
anyone
with
you
that
will
be
testifying
on
the
bill.
Introduce
yourself
for
the
record
and
when
you're
finished,
you
can
go
ahead
and
begin.
Your
presentation
to
the
committee
members.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair
appreciate
you
and
the
committee
for
allowing
us
to
testify
today
on
the
affordable
housing
act
or
the
workforce
development
housing
act.
We've
we've
been
caressing
that
bill
for
a
few
years.
Now
I
have
with
me
today
tammy
stansberry,
with
wota
cooper
companies.
I
have
my
kinds
to
my
right.
President,
ceo
of
winterwood
incorporated
and
virtually
we
have
former
state
representative
in
georgia.
Brett
harrell
that'll
be
with
us.
So
are
you
you're
there
brett,
and
you
can
hear
us
all
right.
G
Beware
of
what
you
asked
for
when
I
first
come
into
office.
There
were
several
groups
around
that
were
looking
for
housing.
Tax
credits,
one
in
particular,
was
a
veterans
group
was
was
out
looking
and
talking.
G
Well,
I
think
that's
what
this
bill
does.
We've
been
working
on
it
for
three
years
now,
but
with
that,
as
means,
you
know,
I've
worked
with
issue
and
I
have
a
group
of
advocates
here.
That's
joined
me
today
that
have
come
together
to
create
the
commonwealth
allowance
for
housing
solutions.
G
The
group
represents
individuals
and
companies,
many
names
all
of
us
know
they've
come
together
because
they
like
myself,
have
come
to
see
firsthand
the
dire
need
we
have
for
housing
solutions
throughout
our
commonwealth
before
the
pandemic.
Our
state
according
to
standards,
was
about
75
000
housing
units
short
of
what
the
need
was
now
with
the
financial
catastrophe
that
the
pandemics
incurred
we've
got
skyrocketing
construction
costs
and
housing
costs.
G
The
situation
has
reached
a
level
of
urgency
that
we've
never
seen
before.
I'm
a
real
estate
broker.
I
can
tell
you
right
now:
our
inventory
has
never
been
lower,
but
we've
got
people
out
knocking
on
doors
asking
if
other
people
sell
their
house
so
and
I'm
sure.
As
you
consider
this
legislation,
your
main
concern
will
be
to
ensure
that
it's
financially
responsible
for
our
state
and
and
and
because
of
that
in
2020,
danny
court
he's
a
principal
and
senior
economist
for
elliott
d,
pollock
and
company.
G
He
presented
a
study
to
confirm
that
if
we
had
were
able
to
add,
say
6
500
units
housing
units
that
would
generate
an
estimated
178
million
dollars
in
tax
revenues
for
both
state
and
local
governments,
and
it
would
also
create
approximately
3
500
jobs
during
the
period
this
was
taking
place.
There
are
states
already
implementing
this.
One
of
our
near
states
is
georgia
to
reinforce
the
positive
economic
impact
there.
G
They
have
a
similar
tax
credit
options
and
just
for
example,
in
2016
they
had
they
added
1200
new
units
that
generated
150
million
in
local
income,
40
million
in
tax
revenue
for
the
government
and
it
created
over
2
000
jobs.
So
that's
just
one
example
of
what
a
a
tax
credit,
housing
tax
credit
could
generate.
G
There
are
nine
others
considering
it
besides
this
bill
here
in
kentucky,
both
indiana
and
ohio
are
considering
it.
Tennessee
hasn't
got
there
yet,
and
they
are
what
I
feel
like
to
be
our
major
competitors
and
I'd
like
to
see
us
get
ahead
of
the
game
for
once
in
in
in
the
competing
states
this
bill
just
to
give
you
an
idea,
we're
looking
at
probably
about
12
and
a
half
million
dollars,
but
there
are
federal
funds
that
are
available
that
we
would
hope
would
be
matching
that
so
we'll
be
looking
at
influxing
25
million
dollars.
G
It
is
for
five
years
with
a
sunset
clause
so
that
we
will
be
forced
if
it
in
which
I
hope
it,
and
I
expect
it
to
be
a
positive
impact
on
our
state.
We
would
still
have
to
come
back
in
five
years
and
and
reapprove
it
reassess
it
and
everything.
So
it's
not
an
ongoing
ongoing
thing,
but
basically
that's
that's
the
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
it
I'll
be
glad
to
get
into
the
weeds
with
you
later
on,
after
after
my
guests
testify
or
I'm
available.
G
You
know
you
can
give
me
a
call
any
the
members
give
me
a
call
we'll
discuss
at
other,
but
with
that
I
want
to
turn
it
over
to
to
tammy
with
wota
cooper
companies.
M
I
appreciate
everybody
listening
to
us
this
morning,
I
have
been
dealing
in
affordable
housing
corporation,
my
entire
career,
which
is
33
years,
so
I've
seen
all
different
aspects
of
what
the
need
is
here
in
the
state
of
kentucky
due
to
the
pandemic,
as
representative
bridges
stated
that
we
already
knew,
we
were
75
000
units
short
just
recently.
Jefferson
county
alone
is
in
need
of
35
000,
more
units,
that's
35,
000,
more
units
of
affordable
housing,
they're
going
to
need.
M
I
want
to
break
down
a
little
bit
for
you
exactly
what
affordable
housing
is
because
there's
a
lot
of
misconceptions
out
there.
Affordable
housing
is
not
public
housing
and
it's
not
section
8..
There
is
no
rent
subsidy
attached
to
affordable
housing.
Everybody
who
lives
in
one
of
our
developments
has
to
pay
rent.
They
have
to
have
income
coming
in.
M
Those
are
the
individuals
that
you
see
every
day,
they're
your
teachers
just
starting
out
your
police
officers,
your
firefighters,
your
city,
clerks,
the
individuals
that
are
working
at
walmart.
Those
are
the
individuals
that
live
in,
affordable
housing
units
yeah.
They
can
move
into
the
rent,
the
market
rate
units,
but
those
rents,
as
we
know,
are
skyrocketed
and
most
the
time
when
they're
living
in
the
market
rate
units
they're
paying
well
over
50
percent
of
their
income
towards
their
rent,
that
doesn't
leave
much
money
left
for
clothing,
gas,
food
and
their
utilities.
M
Several
years
ago
I
met
with
the
mayor
of
the
small
town.
They
hadn't
had
any
new
development
in
this
community
in
over
20
some
odd
years.
So
he
asked.
Can
you
all
come
and
do
some
housing
here?
We
did
a
market
study.
The
market
studies
show
that
in
this
community
alone
there
was
a
need
of
320
units,
so
we
went
on
and
we
developed.
It
was
just
45
units
at
the
time
when
we
got
done
with
our
development.
M
I
remember
when
we
had
a
grand
opening
one
of
the
residents
that
moved
in
she
was
72
years
old
for
the
first
time
in
her
life
she
had
running
water.
It
wasn't
because
she
was
poor.
It
was
because
there
was
no
housing
available
in
her
county.
She
didn't
want
to
move
out
of
this
county,
because
this
is
where
she
grew
up.
This
is
where
her
family
was,
but
there
was
no
other
housing
available
for
her.
M
This
is
the
impact
that
affordable
housing
has
in
addition
to
that,
the
mayor
for
the
first
time
in
this
community,
when
we
had
to
pay
for
our
tap
fees
for
our
water
and
our
sewer,
we
had
to
pay
over
a
hundred
and
sixty
thousand
dollars
to
the
city
that
was
money
and
income
that
came
into
this
city
that
they
had
never
seen
before.
The
mayor
with
that
money
was
able
to
do
some
revitalization,
because
we
built
this
development
and
there
was
more
rooftops
there.
M
He
was
able
to
finally
get
a
mcdonald's
and
a
cvs
in
this
town.
Now
everybody
knows
mcdonald's
are
everywhere,
so
you
can
imagine
if
there's
not
a
mcdonald's
in
a
town,
there's
a
problem
last
year
in
a
town
right
next
to
this
community,
I'm
talking
about
they
had
a
two-bedroom
unit
that
came
available
within
six
hours.
They
received
70
calls
for
that
two-bedroom
unit.
M
M
We
have
our
seniors
a
lot
of
our
seniors,
who
have
been
in
their
homes
for
40
some
odd
years,
they're
on
limited
incomes,
now
retirement
or
their
social
security.
They
don't
have
the
means
or
the
income
anymore
for
the
upkeep
of
their
homes.
So
what's
the
next
step
for
them?
Well,
for
many
of
them
assisted
living
is
too
expensive.
M
Where
they're,
not
alone,
we
have
several
senior
developments
throughout
the
state
of
kentucky
and
when
covet
hit.
We
were
very
fortunate
that
we
took
the
care
that
we
needed
for
our
residents
that
none
of
our
residents
got
covered,
but
they
also
wasn't
alone.
They
had
their
own
community
within
themselves,
so
they
weren't
isolated.
M
M
We
have
had
several
of
you
all
in
the
senate
in
the
house
over
several
several
years
at
each
various
times,
20
of
you
all
to
sign
off
on
this
bill,
but
we
need
more.
This
is
something
that
we
need
to
get
done
and
at
this
point
I
want
to
introduce
a
former
state
representative,
brett
harrell.
He
is
out
of
georgia,
where
he
was
involved
in
the
getting
the
bill
passed
in
georgia
and
he
can
tell
you
the
impact
that
it
has
had
on
the
state.
So
I
thank
you
for
your
time.
M
D
D
Briefly
about
myself,
I
spent
time
as
the
mayor
of
a
suburban
city
in
georgia
of
18
000.
spent
three
years
in
our
state
department
of
community
affairs
board.
This
is
the
state
agency
that
oversees
georgia's
low-income
housing
tax
program,
the
applications,
the
awards
and
the
compliance,
and
then
I
spent
10
years
in
the
georgia
house
of
representatives
eight
years
of
that
time
on
our
ways
and
means
committee,
which
is
the
chief
tax
writing
committee
in
georgia
house
and
my
final
two
years
as
chair
of
that
committee.
D
So
in
a
word
has
georgia's
low
income
housing
tax
program
been
successful.
Absolutely
it
has.
We
began
the
program
in
2001
and
since
that
time
it
has
created
over
136
000
living
units
in
the
state
of
georgia,
providing
a
home
for
over
200
000
georgians
and
when
you
think
of
georgia,
it's
understandable
people
think
about
atlanta
and
the
metro
regions
of
the
state.
D
The
urban
regions
have
certainly
benefited
from
this
program
which,
but
50
of
georgia's
population
remains
in
rural
parts
of
our
state,
and
this
program
has
benefited
those
communities
equally
as
well
in
2020
the
awards
just
for
a
little
information
on
our
most
recent
funding
year.
19
awards
for
projects
went
to
rural
projects
for
13
and
a
half
million
dollars,
providing
a
thousand
housing
units
in
2020.
D
Well,
as
we've
seen
throughout
our
state
that
exactly
as
she
mentioned
it's
it's
many
often,
our
our
government
employees
are
our
first-line
firefighters,
police
officers,
often
teachers,
our
factory
workers,
and
you
know
when
people
that
are
just
joining
the
the
workforce
where,
with
skyrocketing
private
market
rental
rates
and
housing
prices,
simply
can't
qualify
or
afford
of
fair
market
housing.
What
we've
also
seen
over
the
last
three
or
four
years
in
georgia
is
a
dramatic
increase
in
the
need
for
senior
housing
and
over
the
last
three
years,
the
program
applications.
D
So
by
all
accounts
it's
been
very
helpful
and
successful
in
georgia,
and
what
about
that
return
on
investment
for
the
investment
the
state?
Well,
what
I
like
about
the
program
is
rather
than
traditional,
public
housing,
fully
funded
by
our
tax
dollars.
This
is
a
program
that
incentivizes
the
private
developer
to
come
in
and
and
but
for
this
program
would
not
make
a
investment
in
a
particular
community,
but
because
this
program
exists
makes
a
significant
capital
investment
providing
this
housing,
that
is,
that
is
much
needed
and
in
georgia
it's
a
30-year
commitment
by
that
developer.
D
So
and
the
quality
of
the
construction
exceeds
what
our
standards
are
in
all
the
communities
they
go
in
in
georgia,
they're
certified
as
sustainable
construction.
You
know
high
efficiency
appliances
led
lighting,
so
these
are
wonderful
projects,
they're,
wonderful
properties
that
compete
equally
on
aesthetics
and
quality
of
any
private
sector.
D
You
know
free
market
type
of
product,
but
it,
but
it
meets
the
need
of
so
many
of
those
in
our
community,
those
just
entering
the
workforce,
those
starting
new
careers
and
those
seniors
that
have
been
too
often
priced
out
of
the
market
up
until
this
time.
So
you
know,
georgia
has
a
number
of
times
revisited
the
program
over
the
years
since
its
founding
in
2001.,
most
recently
in
2017,
with
a
with
a
committee,
analysis
and
study
and
each
time
that
we've
relooked
at
the
program
and
gone
back
to
evaluate
it.
D
It
is
found
to
have
been
successful
and
meeting
its
desire
meeting
the
need
and
something
that
again
we
are
celebrating
our
20th
year
of
this
particular
tax
credit
in
georgia,
and
I
believe
it
continues
to
deliver
for
our
state
and
for
the
citizens
that
we
are
elected
to
represent.
So.
K
K
A
N
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
everybody's
time
this
morning.
My
name
is
mike
hines.
I
am
the
president
and
ceo
of
winterwood
incorporated.
We
are
headquartered
out
of
lexington.
We
are
a
property
management
firm.
We
work
statewide
serve
about
10,
000,
kentucky
families
and
approximately
80
community
80
counties
throughout
the
commonwealth.
So
we
work
all
over.
N
I
can
tell
you
that
the
housing
deed
in
our
state
is
acute.
I've
in
my
20
years
in
housing.
I've
not
ever
seen
conditions
this
tight
a
market.
This
tight,
as
we
think
about
going
forward
and
poisoning
kentucky
to
position
itself
for
the
future.
I
don't
know
how
we
are
going
to
attract
the
employers
that
we
need
with
our
housing
market
in
the
current
condition
that
it
is
so
that's
the
brevity
that's
as
brief
as
I
can
make
it,
and
I
appreciate
the
time
and
thank
you
all
very
much.
A
A
That
and-
and
I
do
at
this
time,
we
have
several
questions-
senator
wheeler
thank.
L
You,
mr
chairman,
you
know
I
I
guess
I
agree
with
the
concept
and
principle,
but
I
guess
my
thoughts
are
I
mean
if
there's
such
a
need,
you
know.
L
L
Interest
rate-
and
you
know
I
know
I
have
an
uncle
in
south
carolina-
that
you
know-
is
involved
in
some
subsidized
housing,
and
I
mean
he
thinks
it's
a
great
source
of
income
because
it's
pretty
secure
it's
a
very
secure
income,
given
the
the
government
subsidy
on
the
rent.
So
I
don't
know
necessarily
why
we
would
need
a
tax
credit
in
order
to
encourage
people
to
get
into
this.
If
you
could
maybe
elaborate
on
that.
G
I
can
real
quickly.
One
thing
to
think
about
is
a
lot
of
the
look
at
the
groups
we're
targeting
here:
the
elderly
who
are
on
fixed
income,
limited
income.
We've
got
veterans,
we
we
we
just
had
yesterday.
Two
generals
testify
thinking
vmap
fort
campbell
in
fort
knox,
that
they
they
cannot
find
housing
for
the
for
the
individuals
coming
there
to
work
and
some
of
them
from
fort
knox,
I
think,
are
driving
all
the
way
from
louisville
over
an
hour
just
so
that
they
can
find
some
kind
of
housing.
G
The
alternative
what
was
mentioned
is
government,
low-income
housing,
which
is
section
8
which
we
fund
and
they
pay
a
high
rate
of
rent
at
home.
My
section
8
housing's,
paying
750
dollars
a
month
when
some
of
the
others
that
don't
qualify
are
paying
600
and
650
they're
paying
over
that,
and
the
government
is
paying
that.
So
there
are
some
cost
savings
when
we
look
at
that-
and
this
is
to
not
only
just
for
the
housing
part,
but
it's
for
the
economic
development
part
too.
G
G
I'm
gonna
make
more
than
I
ever
will
you
know
and
people
saying
two
fools
met
when
he
offered
it,
and
I
would
I
wouldn't
take
it,
but
when
I
got
to
looking
at
replacing
that
house,
it
was
going
to
cost
me
more
than
that
and
I
would
have
ended
up
in
greater
debt
already.
So
I
don't
know
if
that
answers
part
of
it.
Maybe
tammy
can
help.
M
Yeah
so
the
reason
the
state
credit
is
so
beneficial
is
and
you're
right
interest
rates
are
lower.
So
when
you're
with
the,
when
you
deal
when
you
develop
something
using
the
finance
of
the
housing
tax
credit,
so
we
get
an
allocation
and
it's
awarded
through
the
state
housing
agency,
which
is
kentucky
housing,
corporation,
say
and
I'm
going
to
just
use
some
easy
numbers
say
I
ask
for
500
000
in
credit
through
kentucky
housing
corporation.
M
I
get
that
500
000
in
credit.
I
then
turn
around,
and
investors
want
to
invest
in
that
500
000,
because
they
can
use
that
500
000
as
a
tax
write-off.
I
can't
so
therefore,
let's
say-
and
I'm
just
going
to
use
some
simple
numbers
say
they
buy-
that
500
000
tax
credits
from
me
for
a
dollar
per
credit.
That's
now
5
million
dollars.
I
have
going
in
towards
my
development.
M
My
development,
let's
say,
is
eight
million
dollars.
So
now
I've
got
three
million
dollars
gap.
My
mortgage
is
now
three
million
dollars
and
at
an
interest
rate
that
you're
right.
But
what
that
signifies
is.
I
can
now
lower
my
rent
to
be
more
affordable
because
my
mortgage
is
lower
due
to
the
housing
tax
credit.
If
I
went
out
and
borrowed
the
full
eight
million
dollars
in
credit,
my
mortgage
is
going
to
be
skyrocketed,
which
means
I'm
gonna
have
to
increase
my
rents
in
order
to
offset
that
income.
M
A
F
G
There's
still
local
control
over
all
that
perfect.
One
thing
I
do
want
to
mention
real
quick,
mr
chair,
is
that
my
primary
co-sponsor
is
representative
banta
she's
out
of
town
was
not
able
to
be
here
today,
but
you
can
reach
me
or
her
either
one.
If
you
have
any
questions
on
this.
A
All
right,
thank
you
for
the
presentation
again,
members
that
had
questions
please
reach
out
to
representative
bridges
or
representative
bata
for
clarification.
Thank
you.
Our
next
item
will
be
an
update
on
the
apprenticeship
program.
A
A
N
Chairman
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
marty
hammons,
I'm
the
commissioner
for
the
department
of
workforce
investment
joining
me
is
michelle
dejean.
She
is
the
executive
director
for
the
office
of
employee
apprenticeship
services
and
she
will
be
providing
the
presentation
today.
So
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
share
with
you
the
benefits
registered
apprenticeship
and
interest
that
employees
are
sharing.
So
thank
you
for
your
time.
O
Super
sure,
thank
you
again.
I
just
want
to
do
a
little
sound
check
and
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen.
Can
everyone
see
my
screen.
A
O
O
Awesome,
I'm
gonna
do
a
little
just
to
double
check
the
right
screen.
My
apologies,
let's,
this
is
the
one
I
want
to
share
awesome.
Thank
you
again,
mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee,
I'm
very
excited
to
be
with
you.
Am
I
showing
the
slide
back.
O
Super
thank
you
very
much.
My
name
is
michelle
dejan
and,
as
the
commissioner
had
said,
I'm
the
executive
director
of
the
kentucky
career
center's
office
of
employee
on
apprenticeship
services.
I'm
very
excited
to
be
here
today
to
tell
you
about
the
united
states
department
of
labor
registered
apprenticeship
program.
O
I
wanted
to
note
a
couple
of
things.
We
are
the
state
approving
agency
for
registered
apprenticeship.
We
are
one
of
30
states
as
a
state
approving
agency.
O
It's
a
benefit
to
us
because
we
have
state
funds
to
support
a
registered
apprenticeship,
we're
also
responsible
and
accountable
for
registered
apprenticeship
across
the
state
and
also
as
a
state
approving
agency.
We
have
the
capabilities
of
working
with
an
employer
of
developing
and
designing
a
registered
apprenticeship
program
on
an
occupation
that
may
not
be
documented
by
the
department
of
labor.
As
a
state
approving
agency,
we
have
developed
two
programs
in
the
real
estate
sales
agency
and
the
library
technician.
O
We
are
in
the
kentucky
cabinet
for
education
and
workforce
development
in
the
department
for
workforce
investment
and,
of
course,
the
office
of
employer
and
apprenticeship
services
of
the
kentucky
career
center
system.
We
are
the
office
to
support
the
work
that
we
do
with
businesses
across
the
commonwealth,
and
here
are
a
couple
of
pictures
of
kentucky
apprentices.
Our
kentucky
registered
apprenticeships
across
the
commonwealth.
O
O
It
provides
a
paycheck
from
day
one
and
a
wage
increase,
as
apprentices
become
more
proficient
in
a
registered
apprenticeship
program,
a
minimum
of
one
when
wage
increase
is
required
and
it
combines
the
on-the-job
training
and
the
related
job
instruction.
What's
what
is
another
benefit
of
registered
apprenticeship?
It
resulted
in
industry
recognized
credentials
signed
by
commissioner
hammondson
and
lieutenant
governor
coleman,
but
also
that
credential
goes
into
a
national
database
so
that
employee,
after
completing
their
apprenticeship
experience,
is,
has
a
credential
that
is
portable
nationwide,
showing
and
validating
that
they
are
skilled.
In
that
particular
occupation.
O
O
But
there's
oh
wait:
there's
more
registered
apprenticeship
provides
a
positive
impact
on
loyalty,
productivity
and
profitability,
as
data
and
research
shows
registered
apprenticeship
shows
1.46
return
on
every
dollar
spent.
It
reduces
turnover
via
the
employer,
contribution
to
the
business
employees
or
apprentices
and
registered
apprenticeship
feel
like
they're,
contributing
to
the
business
and
the
wage
increase
over
a
time-based
program
or
competency-based
program,
incentivizes
them
to
develop,
and
that
is
directly
related
to
employee
loyalty
and
productivity,
which
overall
affects
the
profitability
of
the
business.
O
O
At
the
kentucky
career,
center's
office
of
employer
and
apprenticeship
services,
I'm
currently
we're
we're
working
on
here's
a
program
overview.
We
have
kentucky
state
general
funding
and
two
federal
registered
apprenticeship
grants
that
we're
working
with
one
is
scheduled
to
end
june
of
next
year,
and
the
second
is
scheduled
to
end
in
june
of
2023..
O
O
Lawrence
winburn,
angela,
rogers
and
sean
campbell
are
passionate,
dedicated
registered
apprenticeship,
training
representatives
and
I'm
going
to
share
some
numbers
with
you
to
share
how
they've
grown
and
developed
the
program
just
in
this
calendar
year,
and
then
mr
joe
paul
is
on
the
team
for
our
reporting
services.
O
This
is
interesting:
here's
a
map,
I've
taken
registered
apprenticeship,
I've
mapped
the
data
to
show
us
because
I
want
to
be
targeted
and
strategic
in
how
I
grow
registered
apprenticeship
in
our
state.
So
here
is
we're
registered
apprenticeship,
sponsors
or
employers
who
have
registered
apprenticeship
programs.
Here
in
the
commonwealth,
I'm
going
to
tell
you
later
that
we're
working
on
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
and
what
I'm
doing
is.
O
Here's
another
really
colorful
map
just
to
share
with
you
all.
In
addition
to
have
state
registered
apprenticeship,
sponsored
programs,
we
also
have
department
of
labor
nationally
registered
apprenticeship
programs
across
our
commonwealth.
So
we
have
state-sponsored
programs
and
the
national
sponsored
programs,
the
blue
back
to
our
state
programs,
and
then
the
orange
is
where
we
have
a
national
registered
apprenticeship
program
here
in
kentucky.
O
O
I
wanted
to
share
with
you
some
of
our
outreach
in
regards
to
8.12
of
our
our
apprentices
are
in
the
minority.
16.69
percent
of
women,
4.68
of
them
are
veterans
and
for
the
calendar
year
of
2021
we've
completed
572
registered
apprenticeship,
credential
programs.
O
We
also
are
working
with
the
department
of
education's
track
program.
If
you
don't
know
what
track
is
this
tech
ready
apprentices
for
careers
in
kentucky?
We
have
over
400
youth
apprentices
in
the
track
program
and
80
plus
employers
working
with
our
news.
O
O
What
have
we
been
doing
over
the
last
year
in
growth,
diversification,
diversification
and
registered
apprenticeship
programs?
The
registered
apprenticeship
team
has
added
29
new
programs
44
new
occupations,
just
in
this
calendar
year.
I'm
meeting
approximately
with
three
to
five
employers
a
week
to
share
the
benefits
or
why
to
have
a
registered
apprenticeship
program
from
you
guys
can
see,
and
you
all
have
copies
of
the
positions
from
dental
assistants
to
child
development
specialists.
To,
of
course,
a
horse
trainer
has
just
joined
the
registered
apprenticeship.
O
Other
initiatives
we're
campaigning
for
diversity,
equity,
inclusion
in
our
outreach
and
education
to
where
we
don't
have
registered
apprenticeship
programs
to
also
working
with
other
state
agencies
and
workforce
development
partners
and
showing
that
registered
apprenticeship
is
a
solution
to
our
state's
workforce
needs.
We've
established
a
shared
email
account
and
staff.
Are
our
development,
we're
improving
our
website
and
we've
also
working
with
several
employers
of
providing
related
technical
instruction.
O
We've
also
continued
and
enhanced
our
partnerships
with
the
youth
in
the
track
program.
Another
a
success
of
this
year
is
we
signed
our
first
memorandum
of
agreement
with
the
department
of
labor's
wage
in
our
division.
I
might
we
directly
meet
and
work
with
wage
an
hour
and
provide
employer
education
and
outreach
with
matters
such
as
child,
labor
law
matters
and
points
of
contact.
O
O
We
participate
in
high
school
career
events
to
educate
our
apprentices
and
employers
on
registered
dependential
in
our
technology
upgrades
we're
developing
an
apprenticeship
tracking
system
for
a
workforce,
partner
agency,
sharepoint
site,
we're
making
progress
and
reporting
our
registered
apprenticeship
data
for
all
federal
reporting.
We
are
up-to-date
in
all
reporting.
O
What
do
we
need
for
to
keep
registered
apprenticeship
here
in
kentucky
and
to
continue
to
grow,
registered
apprenticeships
funding
for
additional
employer
support
is
needed
at
this
time.
There
are
three
dedicated
staff
and
they're
assisting
and
supporting
providing
technical
assistance
to
currently
590
programs,
which
are
growing
every
week.
Also,
I
just
wanted
to
plant
the
seed
or
to
let
the
the
chairman
and
the
committee
know
we
don't
have
a
state
tax
credit.
O
In
regards
to
incentivize
employers
to
participate,
I
talked
to
employers
routinely
that
they
can't
find
individuals
well
as
a
solution
to
their
workforce
pain
points.
I
talked
to
them
about
I'm
considering
registered
apprenticeship
and
growing
your
own
talent.
I
mean
to
incentivize
that
these
are
the
other
states
that
offer
a
tax
credit,
and
so
that
is
my
overview
to
give
you
guys
an
update
on
register
or
to
give
everyone
an
update
on
registered
apprenticeship
I'll.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions.
O
A
A
O
A
All
right,
our
last
presentation,
for
today
we
are
going
to
hear
from
the
kentucky
guild
of
brewers.
This
is
an
organization
that
has
been
before
this
committee
a
number
of
times
in
the
past,
with
specific
legislation
that
has
helped
this
industry
grow
and
flourish.
A
I
think
this
is
an
example
of
entrepreneurship
in
the
state
and
how,
when
government
is
able
to
step
back
and
let
you
do
your
what
you
love
to
do,
you
can
flourish
and
grow
and
it
had
been
a
while,
since
we
had
an
opportunity
to
have
you
come
a
number
of
members
of
this
committee
are
new,
so
I
wanted
to
give
you
an
opportunity
to
come
and
present
to
the
committee.
So,
if
you'll
introduce
yourselves
for
the
record
and
after
you've
done
so
go
ahead
and
jump
right
into
the
presentation,
adam.
P
My
name
is
adam
watson,
I'm
a
reformed
attorney
owner
operator
of
against
the
grain
brewery
and
chair
of
legislative
affairs
for
the
kentucky
guild
of
brewers.
P
P
P
Please
know
how
much
we
appreciate
that
now
the
powerpoint
in
your
packet
may
seem
a
little
long.
Don't
worry.
Several
slides
are
included
to
afford
the
committee
additional
information,
but
are
not
part
of
what
I'll
speak
to
you
will
notice
several
pictures
scattered
throughout,
because
sometimes
a
picture
is
worth
a
thousand
words.
We
want
to
respect
your
time
today,
so
I
will
move
pretty
quickly
through
some
of
these
slides
and
speak
just
to
the
substantive
update
material,
charlie,
and
I
would
be
happy
to
answer
additional
questions.
P
P
P
P
P
P
The
pandemic
and
its
ramifying
effects
have
focused
consumer
purchasing
on
larger,
cheaper
national
brands
and
have
resulted
in
decreased
production
volumes,
sales
volumes
and
revenues,
supply
chain
disruptions,
lack
of
material
availability
and
employment.
Disruptions
have
made
our
business
more
expensive
and
less
predictable.
P
P
According
to
the
brewers
association
staff,
economist,
that's
not
an
insignificant
amount
from
2018
to
2019.
We
saw
a
15
growth
in
our
employment
numbers
and
had
over
a
thousand
kentuckians
on
our
payrolls,
but
the
pandemic
did
force
many
furloughs
and
layoffs.
Now
we're
struggling
to
regain
those
employment
numbers
due
to
a
combination
of
revenue,
shortages
and
labor
shortages.
P
At
least
27
kentucky
breweries
have
prioritized
investing
here
in
the
commonwealth
during
the
pandemic
and
have
invested
in
some
form
of
expansion
activity
like
new
locations,
additional
production
equipment
facility
improvements,
such
new
investments
and
expansions
total
about
27.7
million
dollars.
So
far,
kovit
has
hit
us
all
differently,
though,
and
this
isn't
the
case
for
all
of
us.
P
P
Thanks
to
the
general
assembly
last
session,
self-distribution
has
been
a
lifeline
that
provides
a
new
avenue
for
breweries
to
expand
sales
volumes
and
meet
customer
demands.
It
affords
us
much
needed
flexibility
and
has
leveled
the
playing
field
in
accordance
with
new
statutory
language.
Some
brewers
are
already
self-distributing
with
others
to
follow
soon.
We've
seen
gains
in
other
areas
of
our
industry,
specifically
our
pursuit
of
diversity.
P
We
have
about
a
dozen
female
brewers
around
the
state,
including
our
own
kentucky
chapter
of
the
pink
boot
society.
We
can't
rest
on
our
laurels,
though,
especially
during
this
time
of
recovery.
We
have
to
keep
our
foot
on
the
gas
if
we
want
to
make
it
through
during
the
height
of
the
pandemic.
Not
only
did
we
see
massive
declines
and
closures
at
our
tap
rooms.
P
The
recovery
has
looked
different
for
each
of
us,
but
supply
chain
disruptions
and
labor
issues
are
two
pandemic
impacts
that
continue
to
be
the
reality
for
all
of
us.
Equally,
I
know
you've
heard
those
continuing
impacts
from
other
industry
sectors
as
well.
These
ongoing
issues
have
kept
our
recovery
from
being
greater,
quicker
or
smooth.
P
P
P
P
Here
you
see
a
small
sampling
of
our
community
involvement,
including
vaccination,
outreach
department
of
agriculture,
cooperation,
charitable
contributions
and
involvement,
local
events,
fundraisers
and
more
and
as
you
can
see
here,
we
have
opened
a
few
new
locations
since
we
last
presented
to
this
committee.
So
I
encourage
you
to
visit
as
many
as
you'd
like
just
let
me
know
if
you'd
like
an
introduction.
P
As
for
legislative
interests,
we
continue
to
support
the
same
principles
we've
espoused
for
years.
We
need
your
support
to
compete
with
other
breweries
across
the
region
and
the
nation
we
believe
in
modernization
of
laws
to
match
business
practices,
and
we
support
flexibility
in
the
reduction
of
artificial
barriers
to
the
market.
P
P
A
We
do
have
one
question
here
and
then
I
have
a
question:
senator
wheeler.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
enjoyed
your
presentation
and
unfortunately,
I'm
an
unreformed
attorney,
but
I
would
love
to
be
able
to
to
do
what
you're
doing
I
am
having
studied
and
taught
english
for
a
year
in
germany,
I
always
loved
going
to
all
the
different
small
towns,
because
you
would
have
a
a
brewery
in
just
about
everyone,
and
the
variety
was
really
great
yeah
need.
L
I
say
I
guess
the
catchword
the
diversity
of
brews
throughout
the
entire
country
were
really
wonderful,
and
I
I
really
enjoyed
doing
that
and
I'm
proud
to
support
your
industry.
One
thing
you
mentioned,
you
said
that
there's
a
lack
of
access
to
kegs
and
for
for
some
of
the
small
brewers,
do
you
have
any
idea?
Is
that
a
disruption
in
the
supply
chain,
or
what
exactly
is
that
the
result
of
do
you
know.
P
It
it's
a
fairly
complex
situation
and
I
I
know
pieces
of
it,
but
I'd
be
fooling
myself.
If
I
said
I
understood
all
of
it.
Primarily
we've
seen
shortage
in
things
like
cans,
because
many
breweries
have
pivoted
towards
having
to
can
more
of
their
product
rather
than
keg
it
due
to
the
fact
that
most
of
the
keg
serving
locations
like
bars
and
restaurants
sure
were
closed
for
so
long.
P
P
Most
of
them
are
manufactured
here,
that's
often
with
materials
here,
although
sometimes
they
involve
materials
from
other
places,
so
that
the
whole
chain,
as
it
continues
to
tug
on
itself,
has
created
sometimes
unexpected
costs
and
and
delays
for
us
well.
L
P
Q
I
think
it's
very
appropriate
that
one
of
the
things
I
caught
in
your
presentation
was
that
you
know
you
wanted
to
make
it
very
clear
that
you
know
several
of
your
breweries
are
still
struggling
and
I
think
that's
very
important
for
us
to
realize
if
we're
not
in
I'm
in
a
small
business-
and
you
know
there
are
folks
that
are
doing
have
done
really
well
during
this
pandemic.
Q
But
there
is
a
very
narrow
swath
of
small
businesses
that
are
struggling
and
still
hanging
on
by
their
by
their
fingernails
and
they've
gotten
ppp
loans,
they've
gotten
those
loans
forgiven,
and
it's
just
important
for
us
to
realize
that.
There's
still
that
you
know
lane
in
our
economy
that
is
still
struggling,
and
we
need
to
do
everything
we
can
from
individually
supporting
those
businesses
to
you
know
if
there's
things
legislatively
that
we
can
do
or
just
get
out
of
their
way
so
that
they
can,
you
know,
make
a
comeback.
Q
But
additionally,
your
folks
in
henderson
western
kentucky
are
good
advocates
for
the
craft,
breweries
and
they're
constantly
in
contact
with
me,
and
I
stop
in
and
visit
them
quite
often.
So
congratulations
on
being
here
today
and
thank
you
for
the
update.
F
Thank
you
and
I
wanted
to
go
back
to
one
of
the
comments
that
you
made
about
small
business
because
you,
you
just
barely
touched
it,
and
I
want
you
to
expand
a
little.
P
Sure
we,
of
course,
the
story,
differs
from
member
to
member
very
very
drastically,
and
some
of
us
were
able
to
access
more
programs
and
some
fewer
based
on
our
business
models
and
the
ways
that
we
operate.
P
I
think
a
lot
of
us
were
able
to
access
some
of
the
emergency
measures
that
have
come
out
over
the
course
of
the
pandemic,
but
over
the
sort
of
regular
operating
times
aside
from
pandemic
specific
incentive
programs.
C
I
I
can
speak
to
that
a
little
bit.
We,
our
main
location,
is
in
richmond
kentucky.
We
opened
a
second
location
in
london,
polar
opposites
in
what
we
were
able
to
get
access
to,
and
it's
a
lot
because
of
the
monies
that
go
into
those
communities
via
hospitality.
Taxes
richmond
does
not
have
that.
Louisville
does
not
have
that.
I
doubt
lexington
as
well.
C
London
and
other
smaller
communities
have
differing
taxes,
so
they're
able
to
give
more
incentives
for
small
businesses
to
come
to
those
places.
We
got
a
lot
more
incentive
to
come
to
london
than
we
did
in
richmond.
We
got
nothing
in
richmond.
We
did
it
all
on
our
own.
We
did
have
they
helped
us
with
finding
location.
They
helped
us
with
financing
that
location
a
little
bit.
They
found
us
somebody
to
finance
it,
which
was
sked
southern
kentucky
economic
development
and
helped
us
through
that
process.
A
Any
other
members
so
adam
one
of
the
things
that's
intrigued
me
about
your
industry-
is
that
when
we've
been
able
to
even
prior
to
removing
some
of
the
barriers
that
you
had,
you
were,
you
were
still
at
a
trajectory
where
you
were
growing
and
when
we
removed
those
it
added
even
more
opportunity
and
I'm
looking
at
this
map-
and
I
know
there
are
tremendous
areas
in
the
state
where
you
could
see
growth.
A
I
think
it's
interesting
that
even
given
the
whole
covid
pandemic,
you
still
have
10
locations
that
are
potentially
opening
in
the
state.
I
see
five
of
those
are
in
jefferson,
county
louisville,
so
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
speculate
a
little
bit.
A
Where
would
you
have
seen
the
craft
brewing
industry
had
we
not
had
covid
and
then,
as
we
come
out
of
that,
hopefully
soon?
Where
do
you
see
the
industry
in
the
next
few
years?
I
mean:
are
you
waiting
for
these
opportunities
for
things
to
clear
before
we
start
to
see
even
greater
growth,
if
you
can
just
kind
of
shed
some
light,
because
I'm
sure
you're
talking
to
folks
in
other
areas-
and
I
can
understand
the
apprehension
that
some
folks
would
have
in
opening
up
a
facility
in
this
type
of
environment?
P
Sure
I
I
don't
find
myself
prone
to
speculate
too
much,
so
this
is
a
little
outside
my
my
general
operations,
but
yeah.
I
you
know,
I
think
we
do
have
an
industry
where
people
get
into
it
because
of
passion,
which
is
why
you
saw
us
still
succeeding
before
a
lot
of
these.
P
These
laws
came
into
effect
to
begin
helping
us
and
then
that
you're
correct
that
absolutely
threw
fuel
on
the
fire
and
and
kind
of
getting
out
of
the
way
enabled
us
to
work
hard,
as
as
we
find
ourselves
prone
to
do.
The
pandemic
definitely
threw
a
as
as
I
detailed
in
the
presentation,
a
monstrous
wrench
in
the
works,
but
I
think
it's
more
a
delay
than
a
stopping.
P
We
are
trying
to
be
cautious
about
it
and
I
think
a
lot
of
people
are
waiting
until
something
resembling
predictability
starts
to
come
back
into
our
economy
and
and
then
we'll
start
looking
at.
Where
else
to
do
things.
I
do
know
that
a
lot
of
as
you'll
see
from
the
map,
a
lot
of
the
large
hubs
of
breweries
do
tend
to
be
around
our
borders
and
and
I'd
be
lying.
E
P
Right
now,
in
pandemic
times,
I'd
say
very
few.
I
think
we
had
a
pretty
good
handful
that
were
on
trajectory
to
hit
that
over
the
next
few
years,
but,
as
I
said,
pretty
much
everyone's
productions
are
down
fairly
significantly.
Hopefully
we
recover
quickly
enough
that
that
starts
to
be
an
issue,
but
I
think
speaking
as
of
today,
not
very
many
are
right
there
at
the
cusp.
P
Y'all
again
today,
no,
but
over
the
next
couple
of
years,
assuming
we
we
managed
to
come
out
of
this
on
fire
like
we
planned
to.
I
could
see
it
being
a
topic
of
discussion.